Thursday, January 23, 2020

Dr. Who has the cancer

Whoever could have seen this ratings collapse coming?
Doctor Who is the need of a defibrillator as the show continues to have one foot in the grave as its latest episode is the worst viewed in 31 years of its 57-year history.

Sunday's episode, "Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror," was only watched by 4.04 million viewers in the UK.

We have to go way back to Season 23 of September, 1986 to see a lesser amount of viewers as "The Mysterious Planet" Part Four only had 3.7 million viewers tuning in.

Sunday's episode of Doctor Who is also the eighth least-watched episode of the entire run which kicked off in 1963, and the lowest watched of the new series.

The numbers for Doctor Who have gone down consistently with each new episode as the series has lost near one million viewers since the debut episode for Season 12 on New Year's Day.
As usual, everyone and everything will be blamed except the true culprit: the corporate cancer of convergence. Note that the usual drop of 20 percent in the first year has been achieved.

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Blogger Seeingsights January 23, 2020 7:30 PM  

Go woke, go broke.

Blogger Jon D. January 23, 2020 7:37 PM  

Watch as the execs will do interviews about how there's just "brand burnout" and "too much of it" and "we should probably just let it rest for a couple of years."

Their actions are always so predictable.

Blogger Gallant January 23, 2020 7:46 PM  

Nikola Tesla's "Night of Terror" would be making him watch a Jodie Whittaker Dr Who marathon.

Blogger lowercaseb January 23, 2020 7:50 PM  

@1 The tragic thing is the UK's TV tax directly funds this trainwreck.

It's just as well. We NEED new sci-fi. JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson are heroes clearing out the big franchises so the new work like Cole's Galaxie's Edge and The Stars Came Back series can flourish.

Blogger Uncompliant January 23, 2020 7:57 PM  

it will be interesting to see what happens re: Chik'f'lay (however that is spelled). Will it see a 20% drop after going woke?

it will also be interesting to see if Corporate Cancer and its ideas will ever show up in derivative and investor lawsuits. The "business judgment rule" protects officers and directors from liability. but maybe a statistically solid, measurable and consistent drop in revenues can provide grist for personal liability and help make the woke go personally broke. so, you stock owners out there -- anyone want to test the waters and sue Gillette (or I guess P&G)?

Blogger A rebel without a General January 23, 2020 8:03 PM  

Never got into it, but the angel monsters are scary so they had good material.

Blogger tweell January 23, 2020 8:09 PM  

Johnathan Powell tried for years to kill the show, only for it to come back years later. This time, the BBC is smarter. Poison the show with Social Justice, and it will die for good.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 23, 2020 8:10 PM  

Meanwhile Wonder Woman 1984 looks like it will be fun and will do great. Create your own damned strong female character instead of stealing men.

Re Stars Came Back, is there a new book?

Blogger L'Aristokrato January 23, 2020 8:23 PM  

For what very little I've seen of older Dr. Who, it gave me the impression that the series was always quite awful.

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 23, 2020 8:24 PM  

They turned Dr Who into a sermon of the week. This isn't the old days where there were only 3 TV Channels and you could watch Star Trek or Lost in Space.

Blogger Ostar January 23, 2020 8:31 PM  

My daughter was a big fan of Dr Who a few years ago. She won't touch the new female Dr Who episodes with a 10 ft pole.

Blogger lowercaseb January 23, 2020 8:40 PM  

@8 It's Rolf Nelson's Sci Fi series. He was the one that came up with the order of St. Possenti. Good strong MilSciFi.

Blogger Jay Will January 23, 2020 8:41 PM  

Dr Who Gives a f***. The tardis has likely died of shame.

Blogger WillBound January 23, 2020 8:42 PM  

I gave up watching it a couple of episodes after Dr Who became a woman. Not because I thought that the Doctor couldn't necessarily be a woman, but because of the show's increasing sentimentality and self-congratulation which had already been irritating me for quite some time.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 23, 2020 8:51 PM  

Dr. Who has always been lame bullshit.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 23, 2020 8:57 PM  

I was already sick of Dr Who after season 6 of the reboot, but after the first Peter Capaldi season, where they completely wasted a great actor with a revolting script, I totally lost interested and I haven't paid any attention to the show since.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 23, 2020 9:01 PM  

The David Tennant years gave them the goodwill and fanbase. The writing was decent, and Tennant is a great actor.
His departure was when the train started jumping the rails.

Blogger JovianStorm January 23, 2020 9:03 PM  

Next up will be a press statement branding all who do not watch the new Dr. WHO as homophobic, sexist, racist bigots and calling upon the police to arrest anyone not watching.

Blogger Weak January 23, 2020 9:05 PM  

Disappointing for the actor. Jodie Whittaker is very good actor, but she will be tarred with this failure.

Blogger Crew January 23, 2020 9:06 PM  

Doctor Who is the need of a defibrillator

No. Dr Who is in need of a penis!

Blogger Gallant January 23, 2020 9:07 PM  

Old Dr Who had a certain charm. Maybe you had to be from the rest of the anglosphere to get it; but granted some of that charm is its crummy special effects and monsters glued together out of stuff out of your grandmother's closet.

A key that some missed out on is its episodic nature - 4-5 short episodes with scary cliffhangers on each. I heard in some locales they played them all together cutting out the fear.

Of course, the new ones are self-contained episodes, with fairly good production values; but no charm. A major part is that the old was set in a better Britain than the new.

Blogger Lance E January 23, 2020 9:08 PM  

Dr. Who will be Dr. Literally Who within a year or two. Count on it.

Blogger Lazarus January 23, 2020 9:26 PM  

Dr. Whom

Blogger Jose Miguel January 23, 2020 9:39 PM  

My parents, aunts and uncles grew up on Doctor Who which they used to learn English. My generation watched the new series and lost interest within the first few episodes of Peter Capaldi. Loved that actor, but everything just nosedived.

Blogger Dave January 23, 2020 9:53 PM  

Re Stars Came Back, is there a new book?


Weak wrote:Disappointing for the actor. Jodie Whittaker is very good actor, but she will be tarred with this failure.

She deserves to be tarred; bad career choices have consequences.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 23, 2020 10:04 PM  

@21 - There were always some good story ideas (and some godawful ones)
under the Chromakey and rubber masks, but the new series is an excellent example of one of the most irritating trends in entertainment: an attempt to consciously and deliberately create a "cult" show, or in this case, recreate. Two terrible trends converging in one show, the smug creatives' Holy Grail!

Blogger Rex Leroy King January 23, 2020 10:04 PM  

The last good Doctor was Jon Pertwee.

Blogger Pax_Romana January 23, 2020 10:09 PM  

I enjoyed the first two doctors of the revival. Eccleston and Tennant both brought unique perspectives. And while there was some SJW behavior, it was more like the Boomer trying to prove their "Hip with the kids," than an attempt to preach the virtues of diversity.

I briefly watched Capaldi, because I thought Angry Scottish Doctor would be hilarious, and he was, but the scripts were terrible. I gave up after his first season. Still, though; will always have the 9th and 10th Doctors.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 23, 2020 10:14 PM  

Low budget special effects and man-in-rubber-suit monsters, yes, but the Pertwee and Baker years had good episodes.

Blogger Zorlig January 23, 2020 10:16 PM  

It's so dead people aren't even writing about it anymore that I've noticed

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 23, 2020 10:20 PM  

How will they double down? - I can't wait to see the next Doctor: a transgender, interspecies, two-spirit, single mother, POC, rape-survivor in a wheelchair.

Blogger PH January 23, 2020 10:26 PM  

@23 I do agree the episodes with Jon Pertwee and then Tom Baker were very entertaining. After that, none of it was worth watching.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 23, 2020 10:33 PM  

My entire life, seen only one show.

Blogger tublecane January 23, 2020 10:39 PM  

Saw a bit of the Rosa Parks episode. That was embarrassing. It was like an elementary school social studies film strip.

Tesla I assume they picked because immigrant. Were there angry white natives throwing rocks at him?

Blogger jayuf January 23, 2020 10:42 PM  

"Dr. Who has the cancer"
Had me concerned for Der Hausfrauhrer for a second.

Blogger map January 23, 2020 10:58 PM  

Doctor Who completely misses the point: the series is about an attractive, young girl who goes on adventures with a very interesting man. By making Dr. Who a woman, they destroy this basic dynamic.

Even worse, if they turn every episode into a lecture about not underestimating a woman. This should never be a plot line because Dr. Who is generally known to be a Time Lord.

If i can make a recommendation, I would highly suggest seeing Netflix's Lost in Space. Yes, I understand the obvious...but...the shows writing is remarkably devoid of convergence. In the end, you see a family coming together to solve intricate problems and, over time, rebuilding their relationship. It really is remarkable writing and the second season makes LiS to be the best series I've seen on Netflix.

Yes, you can watch it safely with your family.

Blogger My Dead Gramps January 23, 2020 11:12 PM  

Always struck me as SmartBoy(tm) bait where the WACKY genius always prevailed.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica January 23, 2020 11:19 PM  

Tom Baker will always be my Doctor Who of choice, mostly because the actor himself acts and looks convincingly like an alien. The Doctor as a character changed roles depending on who played him, but at his core he supposed to have this world-wise, hypercompetent charm, with a little bit of bumbling, lovable vulnerability. He was supposed to be a mix between Gandalf, a spy, and an Oxford Professor.

The first time the series jumped the shark was when they replaced Tom Baker with a much younger actor. Don't get me wrong, Peter Davison was a good actor, but in trying to "sex him up" to make him appeal to the younger set, the showrunners opened the door to the abuses that were to eventually follow. Slyvester McCoy was a good return to form as the Doctor, restoring some of the mystery and obfuscated cunning to the character, but it didn't last long. When they rebooted Doctor Who after the cancellation, the actors playing him were good, but it's clear that the Doctor was now supposed to be a romantic figure, promising to whisk British women away from their boring lives and give them a life of exciting adventure beyond the stars. It wasn't a bad move, per se. The show, once known only for attracting Comic Book Guy style nerds, now attracted women in droves.

But that's the thing that eventually killed the show. Turn the Doctor into a woman and give her a Burger King Kids Club cast of tokens as companions, and suddenly, women lose interest. "I can't fap to this," they say, as they put their TARDIS shaped vibrators back into their nightstand drawers and tune into the latest episode of Supernatural. At least the producers of THAT show know where their bread is buttered.

Blogger tublecane January 23, 2020 11:30 PM  

@36- I've never been much interested in Dr. Who, but the episodes I have sat down and watched all featured an attractive young female "companion." Namely, Jenna Coleman and Karen Gillan. (Had to look up those names.)

Apart from the Woke Disease, long-running series like to shake things up when they need attention or feel they're in a rut. I get thart. But don't mess with the basic formula.

For instance, if you're gonna do Sherlock Holmes get Holmes and Watson right. Mind that relationship, and you can screw up almost everything else. Heck, there are a number of successful t.v. shows that copied Holmes-Watson and almost nothing else (besides mystery) and ran for a decade or so. House, M.D. and Psych did this.

Law and Order went like 15 or 20 years or whatever with a double formula. First, two detectives: both male; one young, one older. Second: a male senior ADA and an attractive young female assistant. (the first assistant was a young black man, but that didn't stick.) Then a Wise Old Man-type DA.

They messed this up, first with a female DA, then messing with the detectives.

Blogger Scott January 23, 2020 11:30 PM  

If you throw enough crap at the wall you'll find some of it sticks.

If you want to understand the series at it's best, watch the episode "Blink".

There another dozen episodes worth watching in the entire catalog. Blink is the best entry to the series, and a great sci-fi story.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 23, 2020 11:45 PM  

Doctor Who was not a Gamma character. So, no.

Blogger Pathfinderlight January 24, 2020 12:04 AM  

Dr. Who has been absolute trash since series 8. It was in decline well before that, but still didn't try to actively offend.

Chibnal is a complete moron. All you have to do is watch his commentary on the dinosaurs in space episode, which he wrote. There is no coherent plan or desire to give his characters anything resembling humanity.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 12:35 AM  

@36 map

Re: "If i can make a recommendation, I would highly suggest seeing Netflix's Lost in Space. Yes, I understand the obvious...but...the shows writing is remarkably devoid of convergence."

Sorry but I have to differ abit. Gave up watching the 1st season halfway through. Not a bunch of overt preaching, but plenty of SJW-dom permeates it. The adopted? black who is supposed to be a genius full MD at age 18. Mom is the brains of the family, while Dad is relegated to being the muscle, taking his brains away and rolling som aspects of the old pilot/soldier character into his. He's also clearly painted as the absent bad dad at first, though trying to make amends. Turn the Dr Smith character into a woman.
And not SJW as such, but drive so much of the plot by the kids (including 'genius' dr girl) doing utterly stupid things (as well as schooling Dad on occasion (who is shown as pretty much always wrong when he asserts any paternal authority).

Maybe I will try to finish next time we do the free trial and get Netflix again for a couple months going into summer months to do some binging.

Blogger turk187 January 24, 2020 12:39 AM  

and.... Its been confirmed that Jodie will be back for another season. After that DW will most likely be cancelled.

Blogger Archella January 24, 2020 12:43 AM  

Not sure what to call this type of fiction, but opportunity knocks. ancient aliens has sure made a lot of bank off of it.

Blogger miforest January 24, 2020 1:06 AM  

england's corporate cancer has caused even bigger problems .

Blogger Scott January 24, 2020 1:51 AM  

Dr. Who at it's best:

1) Blink
2) Midnight
3) The Girl in the Fireplace
4) The Waters of Mars

There are other great episodes, but if you watch these four you'll see what good writers can do with the Doctor.

Blogger map January 24, 2020 2:18 AM  

Newscaper312 wrote:Sorry but I have to differ abit. Gave up watching the 1st season halfway through. Not a bunch of overt preaching, but plenty of SJW-dom permeates it. The adopted? black who is supposed to be a genius full MD at age 18. Mom is the brains of the family, while Dad is relegated to being the muscle, taking his brains away and rolling som aspects of the old pilot/soldier character into his. He's also clearly painted as the absent bad dad at first, though trying to make amends. Turn the Dr Smith character into a woman.

Yes, the obvious stuff is that. Remember, the whole family is brilliant so it's not like anyone was selected as third wheel. The Dr. girl is a first year med student only, and she got in early and she was June Robinson's first daughter from an earlier marriage, not adopted. Her first husband died. June Robinson is an aerospace engineer who designed the safety systems on the Resolute.

Yes, it starts with that sort of lefty family estrangement that is typical but, throughout the series, the bond together as a family and, as the series progresses, each character is valuable in fixing problems.

It is worth watching...and I hate Netflix.

Blogger Ron Tomlinson January 24, 2020 2:54 AM  

Doctor Who was always a progressive and feminist show, for instance an early companion Liz Shaw was an female scientist and fairly obnoxious.

However things got much worse in this respect from the 2004 revival because it became clear that romance had been introduced. Romance is the sense of romantic relationships. Gradually the Doctor ceased to be a grandfatherly or avuncular figure with strong moral authority. He became a romantic lead whose mission was to placate and entertain the ladies around him. Moral authority was transferred to *them*. A female Doctor was just a continuation of that.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 24, 2020 4:40 AM  

Crew wrote:No. Dr Who is in need of a penis!

Oh I'm sure that giving her a penis is next!

Blogger Silent Draco January 24, 2020 4:52 AM  

A friend once said that the twelfth regeneration's a bitch and then you die. Nice of the BBC to prove this.

Blogger Brett baker January 24, 2020 5:55 AM  

They'd use Cole? I hate to paraphrase Peterson, but you might need to take your pills.

Blogger Unknown January 24, 2020 7:29 AM  

DW is a great example of outsider subversion. The 1st Dr is literally a grandfather with the companions making an ad-hoc family. Various patrician aspects follow with sexy girl companions. Then in 1980 we get a gay producer John Nathan-Turner (who is accused of using conventions to groom young fans) and the show gets markedly camper including a twink companion Adric. At the same time a generation of chinless gammas are moving into the writing room wanting to live their childhood fantasy. The producer for the reboot (Davies) is a low sexual value gay who's entire career output involves either DW or gayness, another writer Gatiss is a carbon copy. The gamma/homo daddy effect has morphed the character from a genius alpha into an idiot savant shrieking ennobling praise at his mary-sue companion.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 24, 2020 7:38 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Dr. Who has always been lame bullshit.

If someone has never been a fan, then they were never in the mix at all.

That's fine you can't please everyone and you would be an idiot if you tried.

But when you have a property with superfans you need to put a superfan in charge of it and not some damn tourist who saw a couple of episodes and kind of liked it a little.

Superfans are not causal. They've spent hour after hour in that universe and really fleshed it all out in their heads. Superfans want to live there. Give them a couple of hours in the universe as they have imagined it and they will turn out for you big time.

Doctor Who had superfans. But now there is an SJW tourist in charge and the superfans have fled in droves just like they did when Luke tossed his lightsaber over his shoulder.

Believe me I've learned this the hard way. My first book was a zombie apocalypse story that "subverted expectations" of the ZA fanbase. They did not turn out for Dark Winter and the reviews from them were seething with hatred for me and that had nothing to do with the book's politics. It was because I hadn't followed rules of the Zombieverse.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 24, 2020 7:41 AM  

I'm betting most of you didn't even hear of the Doctor Who spinoff; Class.

I assure you it was an SJW horror show beyond all imagining.

Class takes place in the school that Doctor Who’s very first companions used to work at, as well as newer companion Clara Oswald. So, it is a place of power and mystery in the Whoniverse. The problem is, so freaking what? It’s like reading about the guy who lived in 221A Baker street or all the stuff that happened to the reporter who worked sports desk at the Daily Planet. The setting is not the star.

Class was a perfect example of SJW paint-by-numbers entertainment. Your lead character is a girl who is a dead ringer for Bella Swan, she is the only native to Britain featured on the show. She is also in love with the new boy who happens to be a Space Prince…a Gay Space Prince whose boyfriend (kiss on the lips in the first episode!) is a Polish immigrant. But the immigrants don’t end there! There is Ram who is a Sikh but doesn’t have a beard . And a random POC Girl who provides a few Steven Moffat quips. There is also another alien who is a teacher and is the slave of the Gay Space Prince because, as a punishment for her crime, she had a Wrath of Khan Bug put in her ear and now she has to obey her enemy.

They are being at first menaced, and then openly attacked by, the Shadow Demons that destroyed the Gay Space Prince’s home world. Doctor Who shows up and deus ex machinas them away by turning on the lights and I’m not joking about that. That was actually how he defeated them.

Blogger Avalanche January 24, 2020 7:46 AM  

@11 "won't touch the new female Dr Who episodes with a 10 ft pole."

When they announced the female Doctor -- that was the final push to "cut the cable." Didn't even need to SEE one episode!

UH-mazing how much time and attention gets freed up when you haven't got the noise box going! To paraphrase what Wranglerstar said about ending the day with booze -- he was wasting away some hours every day in an empty haze, mezmerized... and now he's learning piano and has time with family and other worthwhile, non-propaganda activities!

Blogger Avalanche January 24, 2020 7:50 AM  

@21 "4-5 short episodes with scary cliffhangers on each."

Tom Baker was my first Doctor -- PBS in Philly played his series continually -- but they slapped each entire story arc into one show of varying lengths; including closing and opening credits between the episodes. Worked great; kept the 'cliff-hangers' from seeming too hokey.

Blogger Avalanche January 24, 2020 7:52 AM  

@25 Rolf Nelson:

Also read his:
"Komenagen: Slog (The Stars Came Back)"

Not the cast of characters you know, but same universe; and fills in some interesting background on the planet from whence come the Heretics of St. Possenti. Really good writer!

Blogger Avalanche January 24, 2020 7:57 AM  

@29 " Still, though; will always have the 9th and 10th Doctors."

Go back and try the Matt Smith years again. I mourned for Tennant, who actually became my fav Doctor above Tom Baker, but Matt Smith turned out to be an EXCELLENT actor, who managed to balance beautifully the 'brash and a bit idiotic' young man WITH absolutely perfect flashes of the 900+-year-old Doctor. I didn't CARE for Matt Smith as I did the other two -- but he was a *perfect* Doctor. Was very sad to see him leave!

Blogger Silly but True January 24, 2020 8:38 AM  

Wait. Has no one interviewed Leslie Jones and Elizabeth Banks for the real reason why Dr. Who is failing?

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 24, 2020 9:22 AM  

The silly part is that when Chibnall made the Doctor a woman, he did absolutely nothing with that.

At least when the Master became Missy, they had some fun with it. Missy was flirty, cougarish evil. She was a villainess Mary Poppins. It was the only new thing that had been interesting in years.

The Doctor's new female sexuality is as unexplored as the deserts of Mars. She's a hectoring, celibate skald. They created a female and bravely gave her no female instincts whatsoever

If you are going to do this then run with it.

I am willing to bet that the final desperate nail in the coffin will be turning the Doctor into a lesbian.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 10:13 AM  

BTW I was never a fan back in the day, always was way too hokey to this fan of actual SF novels.
I actually did give the first season of the reboot in 2005 a shot, and came to enjoy Eccleston. I found the abrupt change to Tennant jarring, although I thought he did a good job too. I appreciated it was less a kid's show, but steered clear of the more 'adult' Torchwood spinoff with all its SJW gayness. I guess that was just a test run for undermining the main show.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 24, 2020 10:24 AM  

As long as it's a woman's penis, everything will be fine.

Blogger Warunicorn January 24, 2020 10:25 AM  

I recently heard The CW didn't cancel any of its shows, including the terrible Batwoman. All they know how to do at this point is double down.

TV is trash. lol

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 24, 2020 10:26 AM  

Her first husband went out for a pack of Martian Menthols, eh?

Blogger Oswald January 24, 2020 10:30 AM  

31. How will they double down? - I can't wait to see the next Doctor: a transgender, interspecies, two-spirit, single mother, POC, rape-survivor in a wheelchair.

I quit watching years ago, so maybe they have already tried this, but I think the SJWs would go for interspecies like maybe, half time lord, half daleck. They like half breed stories.

61. I knew the old Dr Who universe pretty well, and back then that 12 regeneration was very hard to get past, so a woman's body coming in there as a way to bypass it would not have been bad, if done right, but I never watched because just knew it was not going to be done right. And from what I read they didn't do it right. To me, instead of flushing out the female side, at least at first, them playing a man trapped in a woman's body might have been more interesting, but of course the sjw types would have hated that, unless they could have spun it into their transgender crusade, but who would want to watch that? Not I. Can we expect Mr. Bond to go the same the way??

Blogger tublecane January 24, 2020 2:11 PM  

@66- Would it not have been possible to write a man trapped in a woman's body and just not tell SJWs? That's kinda the way gay writers tend to write women, when they're not spinsters or whatever: humans (more or less) with the outward appearance of females and the libidos of males.

Blogger CarpeOro January 24, 2020 2:49 PM  

Rowan Atkinson was a man ahead of his time, with a parody in 1999.

His version was at least funny, sadly the current writers misunderstood the joke.

Blogger Michael January 24, 2020 2:54 PM  

I actually watched "Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror" because I'm a big fan of Tesla/Edison related stuff (as well as a fan of older Doctor Who). It was middling episode, not particularly preachy or woke as others with Witcker's Doctor but surprisingly weak without being as awful as the median for the previous season (this is the only episode of the current season I watched). Doctor Who has survived being canceled a couple times, here's hoping it will regenerate from its current terrible run.

Blogger Paradise Lost January 24, 2020 3:51 PM  

Tom Baker was my favorite as well. Horrified when he regenerated because I didn't know that happened. Spent some time hoping it was a big mistake.

The latest white, female companions always got matched with an African. I lost interest in the middle of the Capaldi episodes and haven't watched since.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 4:02 PM  

@69 Michael
Have you heard of the movie The Current War?
About the battle between Edison and Westinghouse and AC vs DC. I think Tesla may be in it too.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 24, 2020 5:21 PM  

L'Aristokrato wrote:For what very little I've seen of older Dr. Who, it gave me the impression that the series was always quite awful.
There's a difference between "awful, but enjoyable", and "just terrible".
As an example, watch the move Velocipastor.

Blogger MrNiceguy January 24, 2020 7:24 PM  

Also The Empty Child

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