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Sunday, January 19, 2020

Falsifying the NPPN hypothesis

Here is a thought concerning the oft-expressed assertion that an overrepresentation in the number of Nobel Prizes awarded to individuals of Jewish descent is an indicator of Jewish intelligence, or what may be described as the Nobel Prize Per Nation (NPPN) hypothesis. What got me thinking about this was that on Russia Today, it was pointed out by a Los Angeles film critic that the film Jojo Rabbit, which has been nominated for six Oscars, is an average film that would never have been nominated for an award if its subject matter was not the Holocaust.

So, it should be possible to count up the number of Oscar nominations awarded to Holocaust-related films, then compare the Oscar nomination/Holocaust film ratio to the ratio of Oscars nominations given to all non-Holocaust films. My hypothesis is that the Holocaust film overperformance will actually exceed the reported statistical Nobel Prize overperformance of 99,900 percent, and thereby add additional weight to my statistical demolition of the ridiculous "115 average IQ" rhetoric.

I am not going to bother testing the hypothesis for the obvious reason that a) I have already proved what I wanted to prove to my own satisfaction, b) I don't care who is, on average, smarter than whom, and c) I really don't care about prizes, Hollywood, or Hollywood prizes. But if some film buff feels like putting in the effort, tell me how it works out and I'll post the results here.

Of course, the most obvious disproof of the NPPN hypothesis is to simply turn the argument on its head. If it is true that a high ratio of Nobel Prizes per nation is a proof of high average national intelligence, then a low ratio of NPPN  must be a proof of low average intelligence. Since China only has 11 Nobel Prize winners despite having a very large population, (6.9 percent of its statistical share) and India has only 10 despite a population of 1.2 billion, (6.6 percent of its statistical share), the NPPN argument rests upon the idea that the Chinese and Indian people are considerably less intelligent than most of the nations on Earth.

It is also worth noting that although Jews are said to have won a total of 41 percent of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, there is no Nobel Prize in economics. It is actually the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, a prize that was established in 1968 by a donation from Sweden's central bank, the Sveriges Riksbank, on the bank's 300th anniversary and is not one of the prizes that Alfred Nobel established in his will in 1895.

Anyhow, the Nobel Prizes awarded to Barack Obama and Bob Dylan should be more than sufficient to demonstrate the total absurdity of the hyphothesis. The NPPN hypothesis is no more credible than the argument that the three greatest science fiction novelists are Lois McMaster Bujold, NK Jemisin, and Connie Willis because they have won the most Hugo Awards for Best Novel.

Neither credentials nor participation trophies are indicative of intelligence.

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54 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 19, 2020 8:10 AM  

If only we had a film version of Space Raptor escaping from the camp, what could have been.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 19, 2020 8:28 AM  

Barack Obama and Bob Dylan. Two people who have used pseudonyms their entire careers. At least we know which tribe Zimmerman is from. The other guy? Few men alive know who he really is, or where he’s really from.

Blogger Shimshon January 19, 2020 8:46 AM  

The Nobel Prize may as well be an Oscar, given how fake the foundation is of so much modern physics.

Blogger Off The Wall January 19, 2020 8:54 AM  

Never heard of Connie Willis ...

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet January 19, 2020 9:06 AM  

The peace prize, the economics prize and (now) the literature prize are jokes. But surely the prizes for medicine, physics, and chemistry represent genuine achievement, achieved through the usual hard work and intelligence?

Blogger JC January 19, 2020 9:25 AM  

Last year I read 'The Remains of the Day' by Kazuo Ishiguro which I really enjoyed. The author is ethnically Japanese but grew up in the UK and the film adaption of this released in 1993. It mostly centered on the decline of the British Empire through the eyes of a butler but had some soft-core holocaust porn as a subplot. It was nominated for eight academy awards but didn't win any. This would be your first counter-example but I should mention that it was competing with Schindler's List...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 19, 2020 9:38 AM  

Gilbert Ratchet wrote:But surely the prizes for medicine, physics, and chemistry represent genuine achievement, achieved through the usual hard work and intelligence?
Henri Poincaré never received a Nobel prize.
Marconi did.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 19, 2020 9:38 AM  

But surely the prizes for medicine, physics, and chemistry represent genuine achievement, achieved through the usual hard work and intelligence?

Surely.

How could it possibly be otherwise?

Blogger tuberman January 19, 2020 9:42 AM  

"Since China only has 11 Nobel Prize winners despite having a very large population, (6.9 percent of its statistical share) and India has only 10 despite a population of 1.2 billion, (6.6 percent of its statistical share), the NPPN argument rests upon the idea that the Chinese and Indian people are considerably less intelligent than most of the nations on Earth." Raciss Nobel Nazis be exposed.

Also, consider how many other award winning movies had strong sub-themes bordering on the Holocaust. The Jewish-American soldier being knifed to death in "Saving Private Ryan" was Steven's way to include a single man Holocaust in that movie. The scene was more intense than even the beach-head.

Blogger JC January 19, 2020 9:48 AM  

The persistent presence of the Jews and their vast over-representation with social inversion is arguably the most obvious proof of the truth of Christianity. Yet, both the mono-maniacal Alt-Retard and Churchians both ignore this for completely different reasons.

Blogger Johnny January 19, 2020 9:51 AM  

Forget the name, I had a book on famous inventions. And then in one of those odd moments I noticed the absence of ((their)) names. Under represented if anything. Perhaps they have a core of capable people, but part of the Nobel Prize thing is cultural focus.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia January 19, 2020 10:03 AM  

VD wrote:

If it is true that a high ratio of Nobel Prizes per nation is a proof of high average national intelligence, then a low ratio of NPPN must be a proof of low average intelligence.

Well it certainly does if you are, say, counting up the number of Nobel Prizes from nations in sub-Saharan Africa, doesn't it?

When it comes to thinking through lines of reasoning, we really really miss that guy Socrates. We really do.


VD also wrote:

Neither credentials nor participation trophies are indicative of intelligence.

True enough, but acquiring such does show at least a modicum of shrewd social maneuvering. So there's that.

Blogger Section 8A January 19, 2020 10:12 AM  

That RT writer tells too much truth.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2020 10:18 AM  

Gilbert Ratchet wrote:But surely the prizes for medicine, physics, and chemistry represent genuine achievement, achieved through the usual hard work and intelligence?
Why would we assume that? Gell-Mann Amnesia?

Blogger JG January 19, 2020 10:34 AM  

You would think that the Nobel prize for Physics would be more valid, but you'd be wrong. Example: the 2017 award for gravitational waves was made before there was independent confirmation via electromagnetic radiation detection of the black hole collision events measured by LIGO.

Blogger Hatman January 19, 2020 10:46 AM  

I've always wondered if funding plays a role in this. Are Jews smarter or do they get access to more money to carry out experiments and research.

Also how many Jews are on the voting committees?

Blogger Shane Bradman January 19, 2020 10:52 AM  

I hate holocaust movies. Schindler's List is not only an overrated movie, but it's downright irredeemable as a piece of artwork. Anyone who likes it is not a serious film critic. Jojo Rabbit looks even worse.

Blogger Crew January 19, 2020 11:01 AM  

@11: This article on unz.com makes the same point!

https://www.unz.com/estriker/jewish-brilliance-synthetic-like-zirconia/

Blogger Manuel January 19, 2020 11:02 AM  

6 nominations. 6. Hiding in plain sight.

Blogger Beardy Bear January 19, 2020 11:05 AM  

@19 They really can't help themselves.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 19, 2020 11:16 AM  

I thought Fiennes was brilliant in it.

Blogger rcocean January 19, 2020 11:19 AM  

Given the Nobel Lit Prices given to Sinclair lewis, bob Dylan, Alice walker, Saul Bellow and Peal Buck - you can argue they're a negative indicator of Great writing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 19, 2020 11:24 AM  

rcocean wrote:Given the Nobel Lit Prices
Literature, above any other art, is cultural by its very nature. The very idea of having a world-wide cross-cultural prize is ludicrous.

Blogger YehudaL January 19, 2020 11:29 AM  

Can you cite the book please?

I've looked at the infogalactic page "list of prolific inventors" and saw plenty of jewish looking names. Also see wikipedia's "list of israeli inventions". Quite long.

Sorry for no links, on the phone.

Blogger Crew January 19, 2020 11:32 AM  

@24: Is peanut butter on the list?

Blogger David son of Mark January 19, 2020 11:40 AM  

There’s an old saying in Hollywood: “play a nazi, win an Oscar”. This phenomenon has been known for a long time

Blogger Johnny January 19, 2020 11:48 AM  

YehudaL wrote:I've looked at the infogalactic page "list of prolific inventors" and saw plenty of jewish looking names.

In our current era companies have a considerable enthusiasm for patents to ward off competition. And as a patent has to be different from what came before, most any patent could be called an invention, almost always accomplished by people who work for somebody else. Haven't checked, but I would imagine most modern inventions are the product of employees. It would depend on who gets hired or who gets funded, and at times, probably just whoever heads up the group.

And also, competition among governments. In the same way they push Olympic athlete trophies, they push accomplishment in other areas. The gov does the sorting process and the funding. The people who get hired have a natural in on the process.

Not quite the same as people who came up with stuff independently owing to inspiration or peculiar enthusiasm.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 19, 2020 11:49 AM  

Hatman wrote:I've always wondered if funding plays a role in this. Are Jews smarter or do they get access to more money to carry out experiments and research.

Also how many Jews are on the voting committees?


Same answer as when Chuck Norris was asked how many push-ups he did, all of them.

Blogger ScottC January 19, 2020 11:50 AM  

What about Fields Medals?

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 19, 2020 11:55 AM  

Nobel Prize Per Nepotism

Blogger YehudaL January 19, 2020 12:00 PM  

@Johnny you may be right, but that would take quite a lot of research, if only of the sources I provided, before asserting, as you did, the dirth of Jewish inventions based on a book you once read.
Thanks.

Blogger Thomas Howard January 19, 2020 12:01 PM  

Aptitude for chess has long been considered an indication of high intelligence. I would imagine the long history of world chess champions provides some insight into the right side of the bell curve.

Blogger Johnny January 19, 2020 12:12 PM  

@31. YehudaL

Lacking hard evidence it shouldn't be an assumed truth ether way.

And by the way, it has only been fairly recently that inventions had known inventors. The wheel, the windmill, the bow and arrow, the stone arch, baked ceramic vessels, the various breakthroughs in ship building, food storage, farming, warfare, and so on.

Blogger Crew January 19, 2020 12:17 PM  

@32: How good have those Chess Champions been in contributing in other areas?

That is, do they have specific biological hardware that makes them good at chess and little else?

I guess Gary Kasparov has been a great security ambassador ... so maybe.

Blogger YehudaL January 19, 2020 12:25 PM  

@Johnny, yes indeed, ancient inventions are credited to nations, not individuals.

Your first comment intrigued me though, could you cite the book about famous inventions you mentioned?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2020 12:40 PM  

Hatman wrote:Also how many Jews are on the voting committees?
This might have a lot of explanitory power. Do we have enough voting committees to regress percent of Jewish prize winners on percent of Jewish committee members?

Blogger Crew January 19, 2020 1:07 PM  

@36: Explanatory power is for Nazis.

Holocaust über alles!

Blogger VD January 19, 2020 1:12 PM  

Well it certainly does if you are, say, counting up the number of Nobel Prizes from nations in sub-Saharan Africa, doesn't it?

That's incorrect. South Africa outperforms its population percentage.

When it comes to thinking through lines of reasoning, we really really miss that guy Socrates. We really do.

No, we really don't. You obviously don't know Socrates or Plato at all, or you would not say that. Socrates, in particular, is openly dishonest.

I strongly advise you ditch the midwittery before you get banned for posturing.

Blogger Johnny January 19, 2020 1:16 PM  

@24
Your first comment intrigued me though, could you cite the book about famous inventions you mentioned?
Can you cite the book please?

Wish I could. It was a book that I got and gave back to a resale store. Something like the History of Invention. A lot of books like that out there. History of whatever.

It is hard to separate accomplishment from culture and circumstance, but everything came together in Europe a few hundred years ago, and Europeans absolutely dominate in that period. Only recently have other groups come on board. Of course in the much earlier period us Europeans were woods running barbarians, even as cultures developed elsewhere.

Blogger VD January 19, 2020 1:20 PM  

I've looked at the infogalactic page "list of prolific inventors" and saw plenty of jewish looking names. Also see wikipedia's "list of israeli inventions". Quite long.

Get over it, Yehuda. Seriously, the more you look into it, and the more you consider the classics of the arts, the more you'll see what a massive pile of obvious nonsense it is. And I know an actual Israeli genius, so it's not as if I am disclined to give credit where genuine credit is due.

If that idiotic 115 IQ myth was even half-true, Israel would look like Wakanda on steriods. It doesn't, because it's a myth. More importantly, the rest of the world's Jews are not the morons they would have to be if the numbers were to hold up.

The mere fact that so many people are dumb enough to try to pass that myth off without being aware of the obvious statistical problem guaranteed to result from it should suffice to disabuse you of the core notion.

Blogger Daniel January 19, 2020 1:26 PM  

Anyone who thinks Socrates is a foil to Jewish propaganda might be interested in this fair dispelling.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 19, 2020 1:43 PM  

In-group preference for we but not for thee.

And don't forget if you dare to even mention it you're an anti-semite!

Blogger YehudaL January 19, 2020 1:57 PM  

@VD I'd only first heard the 115 IQ myth on BB and later here. We do not grow up on the same curriculum as the US regarding Jews.

Anyhow your explanation of the converse, low representation of Asians, is excellent in demolishing the NPPN.

My reply was strictly regarding inventions, not Nobels, as the commenter mentioned. If you deem it too OT I won't pursue it.

Blogger Jose Miguel January 19, 2020 2:07 PM  

@25

But the peanut butter guy wuz True Chosen Kangz!!!

Blogger YehudaL January 19, 2020 2:10 PM  

Thanks Johnny, very insightful

Blogger Newscaper312 January 19, 2020 2:32 PM  

Re Jewish inventions, it's all about how you count, in terms of the bar of significance for inclusion in any list.
Example, the Black History Month hoops my wife had to jump through in her long, recently ended public school teaching career, which also bled into curriculum rest of the year. To pump up the list of achievements they included things for which dozens or hundreds or thousands of white similar accomplishments existed, yet never ever highlighted.
"But muh Peanut Butter!" Indeed.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 19, 2020 2:37 PM  

Sorry, forgot to add to Black History Monthanalog to counting Jewish inventions...
Always funny how you look at photos of the "Black" Achievers from the 19th and 20th centuries, and they usually look half or even mostly white. Apparently the One Drop Rule is just fine sometimes.

Blogger tuberman January 19, 2020 2:46 PM  

Thomas Howard wrote:Aptitude for chess has long been considered an indication of high intelligence. I would imagine the long history of world chess champions provides some insight into the right side of the bell curve.

Yep, there is a high correlation between excellent chess players and IQ, and that starts way before Grandmaster abilities.


Blogger Reckoning January 19, 2020 3:50 PM  

You've already been proven correct by this hobby YouTuber who wanted to find out the best formula to win an Oscar. He discovered that movies with a holocaust setting are the most likely to win an Oscar. https://youtu.be/FdwySyRSgqc

Blogger SciVo January 19, 2020 4:22 PM  

Gilbert Ratchet wrote:The peace prize, the economics prize and (now) the literature prize are jokes. But surely the prizes for medicine, physics, and chemistry represent genuine achievement, achieved through the usual hard work and intelligence?

Short version: Ok, boomer.

Long version: The Nobel prize is at best scientistry, not scientody. Awarding is a social behavior and inherently political.

Scientistry is not scientody. I repeat, scientistry is not scientody. No, really: scientistry is not scientody.

The reproducibility apocalypse was an open secret for decades before enough boomers died for the lid to get blown off. And it has been known even longer that scientage mostly advances by the death of the advocates of the previous generation's pet theories.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 19, 2020 4:40 PM  

jewish looking names

Man, that is low effort. That doesn't even rise to the level of anecdotal, it's merely vague guessing. Are we using the silly notion that anything ending in "berg" is Yiddish?

The first Nobel Prize was awarded in 1901. As a measure of anything meaningful, it has even less historical import than the "climate change" hysteria of "it's the hottest year EVAH!".

I will also point out, as I always do when the subject of the Nobel for "literature" comes up, that vile, unrepentant child rapist Andre Gide received a Nobel. As an aside, the difference between his Infogalactic entry and his Wikipedia hagiography could not be more stark.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) January 19, 2020 10:19 PM  

JJ Abrams alone is evidence that Jews succeed in spite of their native talents.

Blogger tublecane January 19, 2020 10:35 PM  

@17- That's overstating it. You can "like" things that are terrible if they amuse you enough. And Schindler's List is not that bad, just confused, disjointed, and full of itself.

I don't know much about the film's prehistory, but it feels like three separate movies welded together. Plus a layer of pretension worthy of the label "chutzpah." That's all the colorized stuff and the religious stuff.

One movie-within-the-movie is what we might call a genocide procedural. It's okay, and features a lot of crowding people here and there, with lines and typewriters and papers. Kubrick might have made something good out of this.

The second movie is much better. Let's call it an Entrepreneurial Narrative. The story of a failed businessman setting up a profitable slave labor concern. This includes a warm relationship with a Nazi colonel, which is the heart of the movie.

The third is disappointing. A heel-turn in our protagonist turns him into Moses. Or rather Moses' trickster cousin. There's much heavy-handedness with Jews narrowly escaping unpredictable death.

All of which sounds too clean as I type. Realky, the movie is episodic genocide-avoidance porn. With every imaginable means of blood spurting out of heads one can imagine. There's a lot of shooting, and each time something weird happens. Even when the Nazis miss a cloud of dust POOFS up like a sack of flour exploding.

Ralph Fiennes is the best part, but he's mentally disturbed and as such ultimately not too compelling.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 19, 2020 11:00 PM  

Ricky Gervais had a tv-show called "Extras". A-list celebrities had cameos in it from time to time. One of these celebs was Kate Winslett which was playing some role in some fictitious Holocaust film. In the TV-show she joked about how if an actor wants an Oscar they have to do a Holocaust movie.

Years later she played a leading role in an actual Holocaust film. She won an Oscar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjDufjtIr1M
https://youtu.be/PxzQSWx9IGs?t=347

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