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Wednesday, January 29, 2020

Is the coronavirus weaponized?

Anonymous Conservative is, as is his wont, deeply suspicious of the coronavirus, but he is not alone in this:
Harvard epidemiologist says he is not saying the Corona virus was bioengineered as a bioweapon, but a new study analyzing the full genome says it does have a center segment in its genome encoding a special protein to get it into human cells, and that center section does not appear to have indices of having gotten there through normal natural random mechanisms:

BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.
The thing that concerns me is that I knew the impeachment was the result of desperation on the part of the hunted. If we consider the possibility that a) the coronavirus is a bioweapon and b) the release of the coronavirus was intentional, that would tend to indicate considerably more desperation on the part of the same people.

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Blogger The Observer January 29, 2020 6:02 AM  

I'm an idiot -- why would it be released in China, then, and not the US? To avoid obvious suspicion to be placed on them?

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz January 29, 2020 6:05 AM  

Consider also:
a/ Putin banns ((Russians)) from USA.
b/ Putin offers the State of Izrael Russian support.

Seems the nomadic tribe can't stay in USA, can't go to China and now it can't go to Russia. UE had already been poisoned by diversity so Germany is not an option.

Someone wants to burn the world.

Blogger Rajadog20 January 29, 2020 6:06 AM  

Wuhan is home to a brand new "pathogen research" biosafety level 4 laboratory, just a few miles from the "outbreak.

No coincidences

https://republicanfreedom.com/2020/01/24/the-real-umbrella-corp-wuhan-ultra-biohazard-lab-was-studying-the-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens/

Blogger JACIII January 29, 2020 6:10 AM  

Not a better indicator than the inaction of fedgov re China travel. Distraction mining on a lethal level.

Blogger Felix Bellator January 29, 2020 6:16 AM  

Cornered animals are very dangerous. Considering the routineness of the evil of these people, a helicopter crash here, release of a bioweapon there, or a war somewhere, is just another trip to the beach for them.

Blogger #7139 January 29, 2020 6:17 AM  

The Swamp would need to be very desperate indeed if they released the coronavirus.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 29, 2020 6:24 AM  

If it’s a weapon then many will retreat into the old “Malice vs Incompetence” quandary as a means of avoiding unpleasant political realities.

They’re aided in this by their refusal to admit that we are assailed by a truly malignant and powerful enemy.

Blogger Unknown January 29, 2020 6:28 AM  

If the coronavirus was to spread in America, by its nature it would cause the most deaths and infections in high population density areas, i.e. democrat strongholds.

From the quoted article it seems probable that the coronavirus is a bioweapon, but it seems unlikely that it was created/released by America's Deep State. A more likely explanation is that its creation by China was intentional, but its release was unintentional.

I guess we'll figure out more though, as more information emerges.

Blogger Robert Browning January 29, 2020 6:34 AM  

https://greatgameindia.com/canadian-lab-acquires-coronavirus-sample/

Blogger Sillon January 29, 2020 6:49 AM  

There is plenty of speculation about this history being related:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/16/chinese-researchers-stripped-security-clearance-canada-lab-deadly/

The bat soup is too perfect of a story to be true, that is for sure.

The videos circulating about people collapsing, hospitals with dead people in halls or queuing to get assistance are too low res and are for the most part very ambiguous, the stench of media gayops is noticeable.

Blogger Homesteader January 29, 2020 6:49 AM  

As with Orwell, so with King- (((They))) take cautionary tales as instruction manuals.

Blogger Nym Coy January 29, 2020 6:51 AM  

Why intentionally release it in China?

Blogger rotekz January 29, 2020 6:57 AM  

The smoking gun at zerohedge. A job advertisement for the Wuhan Lab.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

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the real reason behind the viral spread is because a weaponized version of the coronavirus (one which may have originally been obtained from Canada), was released by Wuhan's Institute of Virology (accidentally or not), a top, level-4 biohazard lab which was studying "the world's most dangerous pathogens", perhaps it would be a good idea for the same Wuhan Institute of Virology to remove the following "help wanted" notice, posted on November 18, 2019, according to which the institute is seeking to hire one or two post-doc fellows, who will use "bats to research the molecular mechanism that allows Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses to lie dormant for a long time without causing diseases."

Blogger rotekz January 29, 2020 7:00 AM  

Also from the Zerohedge article:

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So to summarize:

One of China's top virology and immunology experts was and still works at China's top-rated biohazard lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which some have affectionately called the real Umbrella Corp.
Since 2009, Peng has been the leading Chinese scientist researching the immune mechanism of bats carrying and transmitting lethal viruses in the world.
His primary field of study is researching how and why bats can be infected with some of the most nightmarish viruses in the world including Ebola, SARS and Coronavirus, and not get sick.
He was genetically engineering various immune pathways (such as the STING pathway in bats) to make the bats more or less susceptible to infection, in the process potentially creating a super-resistant bug.
As part of his studies, Peng also researched mutant Coronavirus strains that overcame the natural immunity of some bats; these are "superbug" Coronavirus strains, which are not resistant to any natural immune pathway, and now appear to be out in the world.
As of mid-November, his lab was actively hiring inexperienced post-docs to help conduct his research into super-Coronaviruses and bat infections.
Peng's work on virology and bat immunology has received support from the National "You Qing" Fund, the pilot project of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the major project of the Ministry of Science and Technology.

Blogger General Grudge January 29, 2020 7:00 AM  

I do find it interesting how social media is currently so happy to condemn Chinese culture and eating habits right now because of all this. It is strange, because as odd and gross as these cultural habits seem to us, China is an old contrary and these habits have been going on for thousands of years with minimal impact on the rest of the world. But now, all of a sudden, eating a bat or a snake has suddenly inflicted the world with a virus that has such unusual qualities? Quite a coincidence.

Blogger JovianStorm January 29, 2020 7:05 AM  

What if the swine flu that killed off the Chinese food source and this virus were Deep State "see what we can do to you if you don't cooperate" threats against GEOTUS?

Blogger ZhukovG January 29, 2020 7:06 AM  

Sounds like a biological weapon to me. Though I lean towards the 'accidental release' scenario.

Of course, someone could have been bribed to have an 'oopsie'.

Assuming it's a weapon, I wonder if it is engineered for high lethality or just to disrupt an enemy's logistics and infrastructure. So far it looks like the latter.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 29, 2020 7:08 AM  

However, why in China?

Blogger Salt January 29, 2020 7:09 AM  

Which is more the current threat against the ~Globalists, the West or China? If this is weaponized, and purposeful, why out of China?

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 29, 2020 7:15 AM  

I think it was engineered but escaped too early.

Blogger Storm Rhode January 29, 2020 7:27 AM  

We know many of the mass shootings are done by atheists who want to kill innocents and watch the world burn. China is full of sexually frustrated male atheists.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 29, 2020 7:27 AM  

I'm surprised the zerohedge story from January 28th about the head of some Harvard chemistry department Charles Lieber being arrested for work with the Chinese and smuggling out vials of some crap.

I'm not buying into any grand weaponized virus conspiracy, my guess the Chinese being human have just been snorting too much of their own supply of hubris and got ahead of themselves, hence inevitable sh*tshow commences.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 29, 2020 7:28 AM  

If that epidemiologist is correct then this version Corona isn't much to worry about.

As described it would dependent on a population that is 80% naive to the virus for it to develop into a full blown plague.

IF the new reported cases are being accurately reported then Corona-chan is already leveling off.

Of course it's China so there is any number of reasons why those numbers could be way off.

Early days, but I'm not changing the priorities of my worry-list just yet.

Blogger pdwalker January 29, 2020 7:32 AM  

talk about letting the genie out of the bottle.

Blogger basementhomebrewer January 29, 2020 7:38 AM  

I would be surprised if the deep state chose China for the release unless it was merely a target of opportunity.

I think a likely scenario is the janitor at the lab figured out he could sell the dead experimental bats to restaurants for a little side cash rather than going through the annoying disposal procedures. He probably even warned them to cook them thoroughly, a message that never made it to the line cook.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 29, 2020 7:39 AM  

@12: Simplest explanation is that a pissed off gamma did it. Remember the 2001 Anthrax attacks? The likely culprit, Bruce Edward Ivins, killed himself after the FBI belatedly caught on to him. The Chinese authorities are probably searching for someone similar in this case, if they haven't already caught him. Maybe he is an assistant to that researcher named Peng, referenced above, or it may be even Peng himself.

Blogger VD January 29, 2020 7:46 AM  

Why intentionally release it in China?

1. Because that is where the virus was ergo low risk of being caught with it.
2. No shortage of disease vectors due to population size.
3. Flu viruses traditionally come out of China so less risk of detection.
4. Chinese less likely to react to initial deaths.
5. Less immediate media coverage.
6. Out of reach of Team Trump.

Blogger Clay January 29, 2020 7:46 AM  

It seems we have to have us a bio weapon threat every few months now. If I remember hearing right, China just lost about half of their swine population. Before that, chickens, and other such avian's. Then it's Ebola, and Hemorrhagic Fever from Africa, including AIDS. One might suppose there is some similarity. What could it be?

Blogger Rek. January 29, 2020 7:46 AM  

As to not make it too conspicuous. There is a virus outbreak in China about every 2 to 3 yr.

And the country and its sizeable population has the potential for maximum spread.

Blogger Lazarus January 29, 2020 7:55 AM  

Interesting typos in this threat, er, thread.

Blogger JG January 29, 2020 8:01 AM  

About those bats...

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

Blogger icarusvinci January 29, 2020 8:06 AM  

Does the "4-6% LOST FOREVER" in Q #529 (of 13 Jan 2018), rather than "lost to TDS and bluehair values" instead equate to 300-450 M? The usual evil-but-profitable path to megadeath via war thwarted, why not try plague? Dragons and deep states don't just fade away, after all. Personally think it is a scare tactic and that it is just a bigger SARS, but what do I know? All of this is starting to seem to me like a real-time James Bond flick.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 29, 2020 8:21 AM  

South China Morning Post had an article a few days ago w some Chinese scientist admitting the earliest case they now know of was a few weeks BEFORE the initial cluster backtraced to the seafood market... and that person had no connection to the market they could discover.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 29, 2020 8:25 AM  

#7139 wrote:The Swamp would need to be very desperate indeed if they released the coronavirus.
Satan's burning desire is to degrade and to kill. There is really no downside here for our enemy.

Blogger David January 29, 2020 8:26 AM  

In my former life, my job was to engineer virus. We were trying to modulate gene expression in immune cells. 90% of my department was mandarin chinese. Here is my speculation as to what happened. Some lab was playing with the virus. Every corner that could be cut- was. This means if there is some safety measure that was in any way burdensome- it would be avoided. This is their way. Someone got infected. In order not to lose face, this fact was hidden. Now it is out and spreading like wildfire. Our government won't do anything but tell people not to panic because economy > people.

Blogger Baron January 29, 2020 8:32 AM  

Possibly a biogenetic weapon.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

"Once contacted with the human airway, the spike proteins of this virus can associate with the surface receptors of sensitive cells, which mediated the entrance of the virus into target cells for further replication. Recently, Xu et.al., modeled the spike protein to identify the receptor for 2019-nCov, and indicated that Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) could be the receptor for this virus3. (...) We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells)."

Blogger VD January 29, 2020 8:34 AM  

I think a likely scenario is the janitor at the lab figured out he could sell the dead experimental bats to restaurants for a little side cash rather than going through the annoying disposal procedures

Not possible. First case happened before the market.

Blogger English Tom January 29, 2020 8:34 AM  

Why in China?

When the Chinese authorities instigate draconian measures to contain the outbreak (sealing off entire cities, etc) the West can also go along with said measures.
What if the global economic system is about to crash. Lots of angry people, focusing on governments as abettors of said crash. What better way to keep control of the system than to initiate a global health crisis which forces governments to 'reluctantly' curtail civil society.
In our best interests of course!

Blogger OneWingedShark January 29, 2020 8:43 AM  

The Observer wrote:I'm an idiot -- why would it be released in China, then, and not the US? To avoid obvious suspicion to be placed on them?
There's a lot of 'elites' that think of normal people as trash; the Georgia guidestones are, taken literally, a declaration of war on humanity. Releasing it in China makes perfect sense: Trump will never close off travel to/from china, with (a) quarantines on those that have been there, and (b) denying import/export precisely because it would collapse the economy. (And undermine his "best economy ever" campaign statement.)

Unknown wrote:From the quoted article it seems probable that the coronavirus is a bioweapon, but it seems unlikely that it was created/released by America's Deep State. A more likely explanation is that its creation by China was intentional, but its release was unintentional.
That is a good possibility: China likes to copy-cat things, and I would be unsurprised if an honest investigation revealed that they "copycatted" biological weapons development without the strict protocols. (Imagine how easy it would be for a Chinese janitor to think "hey, I can sell the dead lab animals for meat and get a few extra Yuan!")

rotekz wrote:perhaps it would be a good idea for the same Wuhan Institute of Virology to remove the following "help wanted" notice, posted on November 18, 2019, according to which the institute is seeking to hire one or two post-doc fellows, who will use "bats to research the molecular mechanism that allows Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses to lie dormant for a long time without causing diseases."
Interesting find. Thank you for sharing.

Salt wrote:Which is more the current threat against the ~Globalists, the West or China? If this is weaponized, and purposeful, why out of China?
Because China was the subversive-tribe's bug-out plan for after they finish draining the US, when Xi snubbed them and made their bug-out plans difficult he also activated their spiteful-resentful pathways, and —combined with the above observations— is a "two-fer" in that it strikes the US (and Trump), too.

Doktor Jeep wrote:I think it was engineered but escaped too early.
As in they wanted a more lethal strain?
Possible.

Blogger Silent Draco January 29, 2020 8:45 AM  

ZhukovG, if it was engineered as a weapon I'd lean to "and". Create moderate casualties, disrupt transport, deplete inventories, and create bottlenecks.

What's disturbing is the chimera section in the center that contains a protein key for human cell access. If not natural, then there should be evidence of splicer genes around that sequence.

Blogger JohnAltGalt January 29, 2020 8:47 AM  

So I live in the D.C. area and regularly rub elbows with military intel guys. Word is that 100% this thing is bioengineered. And that the biggest problem is the mutation rate. He wasn't worried though. They weren't making plans to leave (or he lied to me and said they weren't).

Blogger Shane Bradman January 29, 2020 8:52 AM  

It's likely a bioweapon that leaked out due to some retarded chinaman who didn't do his due diligence to keep it contained.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 29, 2020 8:55 AM  

When (not if, when) this All-The-Same-Market bull run ends, and a commensurate bear market occurs, socionomic theory holds that major bear markets often coincide with major plagues and pandemics. It's plausible that as social mood falls, so does people's natural immunity.

Nothing is ever clear in foresight. Only in hindsight do we "see" the antecedents for major events. And it's in hindsight that we attempt to point out causes for effects, even though similar such "causes" had occurred previously without said effects. If 2021 ends up being the meat of a major financial collapse and the initial salvo in the Great Bondfire (the burning down of hundreds of trillions of dollars in "wealth value" of IOU's issued by the galaxy in recent decades), coronavirus will be part of the "blame."

Or, we could simply return to the levitation.

Blogger Iron Spartan January 29, 2020 8:57 AM  

I don't trust any of the news coming out of China, but what is getting past the Great Firewall is disturbing. The overall reaction seems to be very out sized in when compared to the number of confirmed dead. The other disturbing ratio is that, according the official numbers, the recovery rate is less than 50/50.

I haven't decided if I am cheering for the virus or not. As it is, I am warily watching things waiting to see what happens when it gets loose in the 3rd world or the West.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 29, 2020 8:57 AM  

VD wrote:I think a likely scenario is the janitor at the lab figured out he could sell the dead experimental bats to restaurants for a little side cash rather than going through the annoying disposal procedures

Not possible. First case happened before the market.

Interesting; I wasn't aware of this datum. Thank you.

Blogger Greg Hunt January 29, 2020 9:00 AM  

Maybe this is the Chinese government's answer to the aging population problem. Release a bioengineered version of the common cold that's lethal to the sick, weak, and elderly.

Maybe this is a field trial of the delivery mechanism bioengineered to carry deadlier diseases.

Maybe the Chinese are just as notoriously sloppy about safety protocols as they are about any other protocols, and are covering everything up because saving face is the only legitimate concern they have.

Blogger VFM Bear January 29, 2020 9:16 AM  

This is the first article that made me think it was not accidental. Maybe the CIA connection to the articles linked above? Also, (((every.single.time))) The relevant bits:

a federal court unsealed indictments against Harvard professor and Chemistry Department Head Charles Lieber, along with two Chinese nationals. One is a Boston University researcher who was once a lieutenant in the People’s Liberation Army, according to prosecutors, and the second was a cancer researcher who tried to smuggle 21 vials of biological materials in his sock - allegedly. Lieber has been arrested, though it's not clear if he's still in custody.

Lieber was reportedly paid $50,000 a month by Wuhan University of Technology for participating in its "Thousand Talents" program, and was given more than $1.5 million to establish a lab and do research at Wuhan University of Technology, according to federal prosecutors in Boston, according to WSJ.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harvard-chemistry-chair-2-chinese-nationals-arrested-lying-about-china-ties-smuggling

Blogger Avalanche January 29, 2020 9:20 AM  

@ "why would it be released in China, then, and not the US?"

Your apparent premise: It was released on purpose.

China has NO attachment whatsoever to any of the concepts we try to uphold. We may not be great at it but we at least try, or pretend to try to avoid: pollution, contamination, extinction of species, careless human death, poisoning infants with adulterated milk/formula or killing dogs in OUR country with poisoned kibble.

We don't torture dogs before killing so their meat tastes sweeter. Vox has said many times, that their thinking processes are NOT ours; reads their literature to see how truly deeply foreign they are from us.

We've been so brainwashed to think all humans are like us -- us posterity -- and share, or COULD share, our culture.

"People think they could be like this. But they don't."

Blogger peacefulposter January 29, 2020 9:22 AM  

There is a story out of Canada that a Chinese "technician", who was working in a level 4 virus lab in Canada, was recently removed by the RCMP as a matter of "national security".

What was she up to?


Blogger Avalanche January 29, 2020 9:29 AM  

@8 "A more likely explanation is that its creation by China was intentional, but its release was unintentional."

Thought through like an American -- or Westerner, at any rate.

In "There Will Be War" Vol. 10, published by our host, there is an excellent story of a Chinese scientist in Africa accidentally inventing the bioweapon again Africans. Intentional or unintentional; the Chinese PTB are seemingly (to judge by history) NOT averse to killing off many millions of their swarming hordes. And if it cements them in a more powerful place in the world -- by killing off lots and lots of 'others' outside their people -- "good jobn bio-lab!"

We Westerners have such a massive blind spot about other races and nations: WE would never ever do such a terrible thing, therefore we *feel* THEY won't. And that's part of the flaw that is destroying us! WE wouldn't "groom" to rape and torture the young of another people, and we have trouble even imagining others would! It's a respectable goodness in an ALL-WESTERN society/civilization; but it fails and opens us to destruction when in proximity to "not-us."

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 29, 2020 9:31 AM  

The Observer wrote:I'm an idiot -- why would it be released in China, then, and not the US? To avoid obvious suspicion to be placed on them?

Releasing it in China, especially near this bio-lab allows 2 things. 1) The Chinese get the blame and 2) It can infect a whole lot of people before anyone even knows about it.

But given the fact that these viruses don't discriminate, it seems like a dumb plan. Even if it is engineered to not infect (((elites))), there is no guarantee that it won't mutate.

Blogger Crew January 29, 2020 9:36 AM  

There is a lot of incentive for China to make sure that all countries get a dose of the virus good and hard ... and if any other country looks like they are coping, they may resort to a little nuclear exchange ...

Blogger JG January 29, 2020 9:45 AM  

peacefulposter wrote:There is a story out of Canada that a Chinese "technician", who was working in a level 4 virus lab in Canada, was recently removed by the RCMP as a matter of "national security".

What was she up to?



This: https://twitter.com/greg_scott84/status/1221202509785714688

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 29, 2020 9:48 AM  

IMO it is just as likely the Chinese weaponized it, then were incompetent enough to let it out in the wild.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 29, 2020 10:10 AM  

VD wrote:
Not possible. First case happened before the market.

He'd supply a few goodies to friends and family, too. They are big on sharing within the family.
OneWingedShark wrote:Releasing it in China makes perfect sense: Trump will never close off travel to/from china, with (a) quarantines on those that have been there, and (b) denying import/export precisely because it would collapse the economy. (And undermine his "best economy ever" campaign statement.)
Releasing it in China might be playing into Trump's hands, too. If the economy is going to crash, let Corona-chan crash it, and take the blame. Now Trump is the conquering hero who saved us with a quarantine, rather than the dirty rat who ushered in the Greatest Depression in 2020.

Blogger JoshuaN January 29, 2020 10:38 AM  

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

This article is from 2015, and states a researcher named Ralph Baric at U of North Carolina Chapel Hill engineered the coronavirus with a new surface protein to bind and infect human cells... SHC014 protein. That aligns with the new genome sequencing study referenced by VD.

Blogger Tino January 29, 2020 10:46 AM  

If @36 is correct, wouldn't an adjuvant treatment be an Angiotensin Receptor Blocker (ARB) like telmisartan?

Blogger J Van Stry January 29, 2020 10:51 AM  

This wasn't malice, it was just incompetence.

Remember, they have people throwing coins into jet engines for good luck in China.

This is why China sucks at tech, they don't really understand it. Oh, the top 5 or 10 percent working at the lab who were trained in the west probably understand it, but the rest of the people there? The maintenance workers? The techs? Nope. So all of the safety protocols are a black magic or obscure mystery and they'll ignore them or misapply them.

I once worked at a semi-conductor company with clean rooms. Every night this janitor would put on his bunny-suit (see I'm observing the protocols!) and drag in his dirty bucket and rag mop to clean the floors. The same one he used everywhere else.

No one knew this, I was the only one who ever noticed because I was the only guy with an education working evenings.

And they wondered why they were having problems with the morning batches.

Blogger brbrophy January 29, 2020 10:54 AM  

The Prometheans are just trying to make it harder for Trump to get a trade deal done with China.

Blogger peacefulposter January 29, 2020 10:55 AM  

@53 - JG Great thread, thanks.

This summary is interesting:

"I am not drawing any conclusions about how this deadly virus ended up in Wuhan China, but it does seem strange that Dr. Qiu worked at the NML (in Canada) and with Mabworks, travelled to China, and was caught handing over other deadly viruses to the Chinese. Coincidence? You can decide."

Blogger An Orthodox Christian January 29, 2020 10:59 AM  

If angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE) is a viral target, then you'd want to reduce it's expression, not the activity via an ARB. But an ACE inhibitor, like lisinopril, wood fit the bill precisely.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 29, 2020 11:04 AM  

According to the War Post, the idea that this virus was engineered is a fringe conspiracy theory.

(Interesting qualifier inflation; “conspiracy theory” is not enough to deter people from talking about it, so they have to add “fringe”.)

Anyway, now it’s been denied by an unofficial official mouth organ you know it’s probably true.

Blogger Christopher January 29, 2020 11:10 AM  

Why intentionally release it in China?

Speculative 7.

Because the Chinese are currently that combination of (a) capable of tracking it back to it's source (b) incapable of fully convincing others of their case (c) having an historical grudge against the West and (d) the capacity to act on that grudge.

Finally, (e) only war with certain powers and at a certain scale would create enough of a distraction for the purposes of those behind the release.

Tldr so China starts a war with the US, which, presumably, would put some things on the back burner.

Again, that's sheer speculation in an attempt to expand on AC's line of thinking.

Blogger Bilroy January 29, 2020 11:16 AM  

My instinct tells me that the bat soup meme is a gay op.

Blogger MNW January 29, 2020 11:19 AM  

I imagine it would spread through homeless populations like wildfire.

SF and LA have both large Asian and homeless populations.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 29, 2020 11:23 AM  

@58 J Van Stry

"This is why China sucks at tech, they don't really understand it. Oh, the top 5 or 10 percent working at the lab who were trained in the west probably understand it, but the rest of the people there? The maintenance workers? The techs? Nope. So all of the safety protocols are a black magic or obscure mystery and they'll ignore them or misapply them."

That explains all those LiveLeak videos of nasty factory accidents that come out of China. It even extends to people using no damned common sense crossing the street, bunch of those videos out there too.

Blogger Sojourner January 29, 2020 11:28 AM  

Dont attribute to malice which can easily be attributed to stupidity (or willful incompetence)

Blogger Emmanuel January 29, 2020 11:33 AM  

@JoshuaN

If I were you you'd better save that article anyway you can before it gets memory holed.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 29, 2020 11:34 AM  

J Van Stry wrote:This is why China sucks at tech, they don't really understand it. Oh, the top 5 or 10 percent working at the lab who were trained in the west probably understand it, but the rest of the people there? The maintenance workers? The techs? Nope. So all of the safety protocols are a black magic or obscure mystery and they'll ignore them or misapply them.
I see you, too, are a fan of the Warhammer 40k Mechanicus.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 29, 2020 11:36 AM  

If you were a military intelligence operative, and you found out that China was stealing bio-engineering materials and data, specifically around weaponizing the corona virus, what would be the best way to warn them off and kill the program?

Blogger Balam January 29, 2020 11:37 AM  

If it were released intentionally it could be fallout from the Hong Kong situation which was flared up by globalists and went away as fast as any artificial event does. Something like a, "Hong Kong revolts didn't weaken China to our tastes so how about THIS?" Or a bad handoff like the fat guy in Jurassic Park.

Blogger Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi January 29, 2020 11:54 AM  

I know the Chinese supposedly have an average IQ several points above ours, but they are several points below on the I give a damn scale. I remember one time my sister enrolled in a Chinese cooking class so we went to Chinatown to get some authentic ingredients.

Somebody was buying a chicken. The cashier took the raw chicken with his bare hands, placed it directly on the counter next to the cash register, then proceeded to handle the money. The chicken was taken away by the customer and the cashier took the next person. Never cleaning the counter his hands or anything.

Maybe the Chinese are relying on the fact that practices like these have killed off everyone without an incredible immune system. This will result in them surviving any biological weapon they end up employing, because their immune systems already don't give a damn.

Blogger braq January 29, 2020 11:58 AM  

The full genome has been published on the NIH website; what's with the 33 repeating a's at the end? There are no other repeating single-letter sequences of similar duration.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 29, 2020 12:13 PM  

Should be about Feb / March 2021 based on average count from time of 2-10 yield curve inversion, if one follows the other here.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 29, 2020 12:20 PM  

My brother told me more than twenty years ago about working in a lab in the US studying HIV about how some of the girls would contaminate door knobs and other surfaces and wouldn't stop no matter how much he called it out. Custodian guy is a management issue, but unlearning repeat offending credentialed staff going unpunished is a systems defect issue.

Blogger Noah B. January 29, 2020 12:20 PM  

The lethality of this virus may be greatly underestimated by simply dividing the number of dead by the total number of cases, because the total number of reported cases includes those more recently infected where the disease has not yet run its course. Unless there are many people being infected who show few symptoms, then the true fatality rate is likely much higher than the 2% being reported.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 29, 2020 12:23 PM  

If a group aims to reduce the world population to some undisclosed correct number, any method will do.

Blogger Balam January 29, 2020 12:25 PM  

Another thing to note is the timing right on and before the Chinese New Years. It's the biggest annual human migration as people shuffle all around all of China to return home and party for weeks on end. Celebrations are all but shut down at the moment as the Chinese are staying inside their homes. This alone makes me think China government did not do it as they are losing tremendous amounts of economic activity (very Western idea I know) and also breaking the yearly festival tradition.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 29, 2020 12:32 PM  

The people of Wuhan - the middle class people who drive revolts and insurrections, not the irrelevant peasants - were out on the streets last year in their thousands, protesting against the lethally bad air quality they live in.

Now an authoritarian government, paranoid beyond reason about revolts and insurrections, and hyper-sensitive after a bruising year of expensive and dangerously infectious protests in Hong Kong, has put an impermeable wall around the city, forbidden the smallest of gatherings in public or private, and effectively isolated the people from any outside influences or out-going news reports.

Now this could of course be a huge coincidence.

Time will tell.

None of this is to suggest that they (or someone) haven’t released an engineered virus in the city, either. I wouldn’t put it past them or any of our governments to have done so.

But it’s curious to say the least.

Blogger Noah B. January 29, 2020 12:38 PM  

"what's with the 33 repeating a's at the end?"

That's called the telomere, which IRC is usually a long sequence of the same nucleotide. It's the genetic equivalent of a protective endcap.

Blogger Tino January 29, 2020 12:44 PM  

@61 I misread the original. Your analysis is correct. ACE inhibitor would be the appropriate drug.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 29, 2020 1:09 PM  

@76 Noah B.

OTOH it is unknown just how many younger or healthier people have had mild symptoms -- which is known to occur -- are not reported in the stats? That would enlarge the 'real' denominator, opposite direction from your lagging indicator concern.

Blogger Crew January 29, 2020 1:14 PM  

@80: The coronavirus is an RNA virus. It doesn't have telomeres.

However, the repeats of A at the end is curious.

Blogger CJ January 29, 2020 1:39 PM  

#26 Longtime Lurker: It's very unlikely that bruce Ivins was responsible for the anthrax attacks. It's much more probable that he and Steven Hatfill were the Richard Jewells of the FBI investigation. A Ron Unz-commissioned article on the case is highly informative:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-anthrax-files/

Blogger JAU January 29, 2020 1:46 PM  

"Why intentionally release it in China?"

I've read that ~70% of those who have so far died from the virus are male. Perhaps somebody is trying to address China's sex-skewed demographics and the future unrest portended by it.

Blogger Zander Stander January 29, 2020 1:50 PM  

33? Gematria or numerology marker? Having a Miles moment

Blogger JoshuaN January 29, 2020 1:51 PM  

Emmanuel wrote:@JoshuaN

If I were you you'd better save that article anyway you can before it gets memory holed.


I have access to a system that automatically archives and timestamps all articles I save or that the system scrapes from the web, based on pre-assigned criteria. So we are good.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 29, 2020 1:53 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:This is why China sucks at tech, they don't really understand it. Oh, the top 5 or 10 percent working at the lab who were trained in the west probably understand it, but the rest of the people there? The maintenance workers? The techs? Nope. So all of the safety protocols are a black magic or obscure mystery and they'll ignore them or misapply them.
Chinese safety is an oxymoron. They don't do that. They don't know why anyone would do that. Deliver propane bottles via motorcycle in urban areas? Ride 10-up on a scooter? Climb about on the outside of a skyscraper with no safety gear? Definitely, if you're Chinese. It doesn't matter how many people get killed, as long as they aren't your family.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 1:57 PM  

"Of course, someone could have been bribed to have an 'oopsie'.
"

The far more likely cause -- what might be described a "self-bribery"

Worker at the Wuhan biolab facility is instructed to take the bats to the incinerator. Knows that such deliveries are not coordinated, and so nobody will know if he doesn't move the bats from the working lab to the incinerator. Decided to divert the bats to the meat market and, being true to Chinese ethics, "makes more money for his family" in a way that he thinks nobody will learn about. Infection released.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 1:59 PM  

"However, why in China?"

Because the Chinese aren't very competent.

The imitate others. When you imitate others, rather than innovating yourself, you become very poor at thinking about potential risks, etc., because, as a culture and people, you have become very poor at risk assessment, 2nd- and 3rd- level side effects, etc.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 2:04 PM  

"Every corner that could be cut- was. This means if there is some safety measure that was in any way burdensome- it would be avoided. This is their way."

In short, the Chinese are amoral ghouls.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 2:07 PM  

"Not possible. First case happened before the market."

Could be that some lab worker got infected, AND there was an improper bat disposal at the meat market.

Or it could be that the bat story is a complete fraud made up by the CCP-controlled media, in hopes that people would think it was just a virus that came about from random mutations, and had nothing to do with the lab.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 2:17 PM  

"As in they wanted a more lethal strain?
Possible."

As in they wanted a strain with a longer latent communicable period

1 Exposure => 2 incubation period => 3 latent communicable period => 4 first symptoms appear => ....

For a bio-weapon, you don't want 3 to be too short, because you can easily squelch an epidemic with a short quarantine period. For example, with a 2-day quarantine period, an army in the field, even during a war, would be nearly unaffected, as most units haul enough around with them to endure a few days of being completely cut-off.

Change that to 3-4 weeks, and you can shut down an enemy's entire theater of operations, depending on their logistics practices, and severely hamper all others.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 2:20 PM  

"When (not if, when) this All-The-Same-Market bull run ends, and a commensurate bear market occurs, socionomic theory holds that major bear markets often coincide with major plagues and pandemics. It's plausible that as social mood falls, so does people's natural immunity."

Or 2: Major plagues and pandemics cause bear markets.


I'm thinking #1 is possible, but #2 is guaranteed.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 29, 2020 2:33 PM  

The evidence is mounting that it's a bioweapon. Unz has an article which gives a sequential run-down of the lead-up. The "Umbrella Corp." (WuXi Biotech, now WuXi App Tech) in Wuhan at the center of this is owned at least in part by (((Soros))), the Vicar of Satan on earth who only recently declared that China's Xi was his greatest enemy. The Wuhan office of this enterprise is 666 Gaoxin Road. (They do love their symbolism). There's also the issue of Dr. Peng Zhou and his connection with the issue. Is Zhou being set up here to be the fall guy for a Soros-Deepstate operation? Or is he one of their foot soldiers?

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 2:36 PM  

"Dont attribute to malice which can easily be attributed to stupidity (or willful incompetence)"

Not sure if that applies here at all.

In the West anytime in the last 60 years, I would say absolutely that doesn't apply.

But China is full of too much "monkey-see/monkey-do" without any true understanding of much which they do.

Blogger xevious2030 January 29, 2020 3:14 PM  

If engineered, and the evidence available points as real possibility, and with Xi calling it a demon virus, an indication of elevated concern,the link of desperation sure stands out.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 3:47 PM  

"I've read that ~70% of those who have so far died from the virus are male. Perhaps somebody is trying to address China's sex-skewed demographics and the future unrest portended by it."

Ever since I was in high school, I've held that the possibility is that they planned to unskew the male:female demographics by giving Chinese boys a reason to take as much land from India (or other countries) as they can.... and such boys would naturally be looking to capture as many women alive and unharmed as they can.

The problem for China is, that trick can work for 1 generation, but after that, it can be a real problem if you don't execute it, or if the war doesn't go well.

Maybe Xi decided that a war of conquest and capture of women would be too risky?

Blogger Oswald January 29, 2020 3:50 PM  

Seems to me if you were going to weaponize a virus, not that I would, then taking one that has all the same symptoms of the flu or cold to begin with would be a master stoke. Tons of enemy resources would be wasted quarantining the wrong people and maybe the enemy wouldn't even know it was on them until it was to late.

I kind of feel a rant coming on, this is dishonorable warfare in my book, such an enemy that uses it cannot complain later when worse happens to them.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 29, 2020 3:54 PM  

"No shortage of disease vectors due to population size."

Man, I even knew all this. I'm just not malicious enough.

"Or it could be that the bat story is a complete fraud made up by the CCP-controlled media, in hopes that people would think it was just a virus that came about from random mutations, and had nothing to do with the lab."

As others have noted, has all the hallmarks of gayops, such as playing on westerners finding bats gross, and thereby automatically assuming that they all have diseases.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 29, 2020 3:59 PM  

Akulkis wrote:In short, the Chinese are amoral ghouls.
Yep. A nation of them.

Blogger Kiwi January 29, 2020 4:07 PM  

Why China?

If it's a bio-weapon then:

A. Because it's the easiest neutralise the population in THAT country. Swine flu and now this, it's a double down.

Not everyone loves China.

Blogger Angantyr January 29, 2020 6:31 PM  

Hmm. Does Xi Jinping still have a Mandate from Heaven?

Blogger VD January 29, 2020 7:40 PM  

The far more likely cause -- what might be described a "self-bribery"

Did you fail to read the comments or did you simply not understand them? It's not "the far more likely cause". It's probably not even possible, based on the more recent reports that cases were observed prior to the first observed market case.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 8:17 PM  

" It's probably not even possible, based on the more recent reports that cases were observed prior to the first observed market case."

I hadn't read that far when I wrote my first reply.

Blogger J Van Stry January 29, 2020 8:52 PM  

@69 - I have no idea what you're talking about at all. Never played that game.

Blogger Scott January 29, 2020 8:53 PM  

When science and medicine fail you, remember that we have an all powerful and loving God watching over us.

Also, Fukushima should have killed us all years ago. And Nukes. And asteroids.

The question "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Is pretty good.
A better one: "How haven't we gone extinct when 99% of all other species on this planet have?"

Luck isn't a sufficient explanation. Neither is random chance. Not if you spend any time really thinking it through.

Relax, and when the time comes: pray.

Blogger RedJack January 29, 2020 8:55 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:This wasn't malice, it was just incompetence.

Remember, they have people throwing coins into jet engines for good luck in China.

Having worked with a LOT of Chinese engineers, you nailed it. Had to pull one out from a robot cell. He was driving it, sitting on the pedestal. Blasted thing could have come down and killed him if it bumped the pendant wrong. As mentioned about, they are not like us. I had asian friends as a kid, raised in the States, who would make sure to point out that "My people may be Chinese, but I am not from China!"

Blogger Kiwi January 29, 2020 9:04 PM  

@Azure "I'm just not malicious enough."

It's not malicious to know what bad actors might do, it's logical. I would argue it's reckless to be involved in ANY project without considering what could be accomplished with it in the wrong hands.

Blogger Crew January 29, 2020 9:11 PM  

@103: Is the Pope a christian?

Blogger John Rockwell January 29, 2020 9:34 PM  

If its 99-1 male to female mortality. Then we are talking.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 29, 2020 11:15 PM  

Don't know about predictive power of socionomics given poor record calling this top but see truths about (perceived or real) economic impacts of epidemics: https://mobile.twitter.com/dividendgrowth1/status/1221258120497942528

Blogger Angantyr January 29, 2020 11:37 PM  

Crew wrote:@103: Is the Pope a christian?

:-) Depends. Does he poo in the woods?

Blogger Silent Draco January 30, 2020 4:28 AM  

A different question crystallized: why bats, and not lab mice?

Sounds more like a bioweapon and delivery vector set.

From comment up chain,

"... the institute is seeking to hire one or two post-doc fellows, who will use "bats to research the molecular mechanism ..."

Thinking:

Lab mice would need to be ordered with the specific genetic tags for viral or receptor sensitivity. They'd be bred for this, then have a fresh batch ready in X months to order as correction for genetic drift in the starter colony. The desired mouse sensitivities might set off red flags for export control. A large order to set up a separate mouse ranch to maintain a good strain would set more flags.

Insect and fruit eating bats are common in temperate and tropic zones. They're essentially flying mice, covering more territory. Bats can carry or transmit a lot of diseases directly, and then indirectly via the food chain through household pets. They're a slower, less obvious means of delivery.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 30, 2020 6:34 AM  

Someone mentioned zika up thread. It’s also listed in the linked Twitter thread about market effects, above.

From the beginning of the zika pan(dem)ic there was evidence that the Brazilian government was exaggerating the issue to cover the effects of third-world extraction methods commonly used in the region.

This is a strong echo of the Wuhan experiment.

Not conclusive in any sense, but worth noting.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 30, 2020 8:49 AM  

Bats apparently can carry virus without being immediately taken out by them, which is why bat caves can be very infectious places. The bat researchers were wanted to investigate how that works, perhaps to prolong the pre-symptomatic infectious phase of a weaponized corona virus.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 30, 2020 9:22 AM  

If I didn't know better - and I don't - I'd say those epidemic news announcements are preceding rocket rides to higher stock prices.

Blogger Paul M February 07, 2020 4:27 PM  

Maybe the Chinese government has finally decided to do something about all its useless peasants. They are entirely capable of doing something like this. I bet that along with the genetically engineered virus there's a genetically engineered cure, and all the Party hierarchy have been issued a vial or two.

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