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Sunday, January 19, 2020

Planning Charlottesville 2.0

The disarmament forces are actively seeking to create more anti-gun martyrs as an excuse to continue their war on the Second Amendment and the American people:
The Virginia Citizens Defense League’s yearly rally at the Capitol typically draws just a few hundred gun enthusiasts. This year, however, thousands of gun activists are expected to turn out. Second Amendment groups have identified the state as a rallying point for the fight against what they see as a national erosion of gun rights.

“We’re not going to be quiet anymore. We’re going to fight them in the courts and on the ground. The illegal laws they’re proposing are just straight up unconstitutional,” said Timothy Forster, of Chesterfield, Virginia, an NRA member who had one handgun strapped to his shoulder and another tucked into his waistband as he stood outside a legislative office building earlier this week.

VCDL president Philip Van Cleave said he’s heard from groups around the country that plan to send members to Virginia, including the Nevada-based, far-right Oath Keepers, which has promised to organize and train armed posses and militia.

Extremist groups have blanketed social media and online forums with ominous messages and hinted at potential violence. The FBI said it arrested three men linked to a violent white supremacist group Thursday who were planning to attend the rally in Richmond, according to a law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an active investigation.

Democrats have permanently banned guns inside the Capitol, and Gov. Ralph Northam declared a temporary state of emergency Wednesday that bans all weapons, including guns, from Capitol Square, during the rally to prevent “armed militia groups storming our Capitol.” Gun-rights groups asked the Virginia Supreme Court to rule Northam’s declaration unconstitutional, but the court on Friday upheld the ban.

Northam said there were credible threats of violence - like weaponized drones being deployed over Capitol Square. On Friday, the FAA issued a temporary flight restriction, including for drones, over Capitol airspace during the rally.

The governor said some of the rhetoric used by groups planning to attend Monday’s rally is reminiscent of that used ahead of the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville in August 2017. One woman was killed and more than 30 other people were hurt when a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of counter protesters there.

The Virginia State Police, the Virginia Capitol Police and the Richmond Police are all coordinating the event and have plans for a huge police presence at Monday’s rally that will include both uniformed and plainclothes officers. Police plan to limit access to Capitol Square to only one entrance and have warned rally-goers that they may have to wait hours to get past security screening.
The massive "temporary flight restriction" is particularly ominous, as it would appear to be designed to prevent independent camera drones from providing a clear picture of what is happening. While there is no way of knowing what will inspire the eventual collapse of the political union, if Richmond does represent the start of the next stage of the collapse, I very much doubt anyone will be surprised.

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Blogger Newscaper312 January 19, 2020 2:24 PM  

I guess it doesn't even warrant mentioning any more, but I still grit my teeth at the reflexively applied far right and extremist tags.
I worry that with the fenced in protest area with controlled access the city will funnel Antifa and other counterprotesters in there too, with the aim of blaming any fighting on the left pro gun protestors.

Blogger Stilicho January 19, 2020 2:27 PM  

The VA govt, cops, antefa, and various bloomberg/soros linked groups are planning to have themselves a little hatefest and one or more of them will ensure that they are "attacked" by fake "right wing extremists". The media reports are already written and the usual suspects are already booked on fake news outlets for that night and the following days. Some of them have been practicing their sorrowful head shakes so much that they've given themselves whiplash.

At some point the right will find itself in a position where it will be prosecuted for crimes committed by the left and will decide it is better to be hanged for a sheep than a lamb.

Regardless of the details, the VA clown show has already brought the govt crisis of legitimacy a huge step forward. It will be interesting to see if the feds end up arresting any VA govt types for coordinating false flag attacks with leftist groups against second amendment supporters. That's about the only way to walk back some of the growing crisis of legitimacy. I doubt it will happen as it is more likely to be covered up by the feds in the interest of "putting it all behind us" or to "prevent further unrest" upon the advice of various wormtongues.

Blogger Better Left Unsaid January 19, 2020 2:30 PM  

The big red flag is that the area designated for the protesters is surrounded by a just installed chain link fence with only 3 small exits in one corner.

If it looks like a trap, maybe it is a trap and maybe that's a bad place to be.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 19, 2020 2:31 PM  

I'm afraid the people organizing the rally are unfamiliar with what the local Virginia government did to the Charlottesville Unite the Right folks. They will be taken unawares.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 19, 2020 2:40 PM  

Long live the Old Dominion.
May carpetbaggers leave before we make them.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 19, 2020 2:41 PM  

Northam is a hysterical Bloomberg puppet. A man with no moral compass whatsoever. How the hell this twerp graduated from VMI puzzles me.

As for the potential for some sort of false-flag incident, I'd rate it as high. Except for the fact that we are fully aware of it. I suspect that half the attendees will have video cameras, and I've been advising people to wear a second, concealed camera.

Blogger Weak January 19, 2020 2:48 PM  

This is such an obvious trap. Even the dumbest patriots must know not to attend.

Blogger Wazdakka January 19, 2020 2:57 PM  

It's incredible that Richmond can continue to be a place of such importance in America's fortunes.
The White supremacist nonsense merely marks any person spouting it as an agitator to be ignored.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 19, 2020 2:59 PM  

Quite clearly Virginia's Democrat government sees Iran as a model, not a warning.

Blogger Nathan Hornok January 19, 2020 3:07 PM  

Virginia State Senator Amanda Chase will be speaking at the rally and has stuff on her Facebook about the potential for false flags. She posted this on Friday; "...If anyone steps out of line, all it takes is one person, it may even be a government plant....if that plant does anything to disrupt the rally, you could/will be arrested as a domestic terrorist. The Governor, using the media has already set the stage for this to happen.
He has already laid the groundwork to make the entire movement look like insurrection."

It's encouraging to see that some leadership on the Right-Wing side is not completely clueless anymore.

Blogger Johnny January 19, 2020 3:07 PM  

I've been thinking that if there is a shootout it will be because the governor wants is. And a little surprised that they are pushing this stuff that hard.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 19, 2020 3:08 PM  

I saw stories saying Antifa plans on walking along with the gun guys allegedly on their side. What could possibly go wrong?

Attending this rally is an even dumber idea than attending UTR. Antifa can never maintain the discipline to make their 'members' not attack the right wingers even if they weren't going to smash stuff so the right wingers can get blamed for it.

Anyone even remotely right of center who goes to this is a fool. Not only are there enormous risks involved for basically no even remote hypothetical payout, assuming absolutely nothing goes wrong, welcome to the "the list" various gov agencies will be sharing among each other after all of the people are identified via face recognition. The feds will know exactly who to arrest if the patriotards ever grow a pair and actually fight.

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2020 3:09 PM  

Everyone knows and plans have been made: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/on-edge-unarmed-virginia-gun-protesters-ask-armed-friends-to-watch-over-us

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 19, 2020 3:09 PM  

Washington Times? I read the screen shot and thought it was from Soviet-era Pravda. No question they're trying to set up disarmed protesters to be attacked by armed Antifa, with Tim Kaine's son free to beat whomever he wants knowing he can't be arrested. Must be nice.

Blogger Tallen January 19, 2020 3:14 PM  

To the tune of Moreton Bay / Boolavogue:

At Boogaloo, as the sun was setting
O'er the bright May meadows of Charlottesville,
Carpetbaggers set the heather blazing
And brought antifa from far and near.
Then traitor Northam, from south Maryland,
Spurred up the libs with a warning cry;
'Disarm!' he cried, 'for I've come to lead you,
To Old Dominion, we'll take their guns.'

He waved them on 'gainst the daring rebels,
But his cowardly minions were put to flight;
'Twas at Fort Early the boys of Lynchburg
Showed Bloomburg's Regiment how men could fight
Look out for hirelings, King Schartzy Gyorgy,
Search ev'ry kingdom where breathes a slave,
For Father Freedom from the County Bedford
Sweeps o'er the land like a mighty wave.

At Henry Hill, o'er the pleasant Bull Run,
Their minions vainly stood back to back,
And the rebs at Court End took Ralphy Northam
And thrust his head upon a spike.
Sic semper tyrannis, fool Ralph Northam
And death be swift to all your knaves;
The cause that called you will call tomorrow
In another fight for our rights again.

Blogger Lazarus January 19, 2020 3:25 PM  

I would not be surprised if there are undercover FBI as witnesses and or antifa neutralizers like there has been at other antifa events.

Blogger Kraemer January 19, 2020 3:33 PM  

That's the wrong approach. If they prevent us from showing ourselves in public, they also win. The only solution is to document it and break Northams legitimacy in the court of public opinion

Blogger Unknownsailor January 19, 2020 3:34 PM  

There have been people warning against this thing for weeks.

The head of the VCDL is an older gentleman who is not tall enough for this ride. He has repeatedly claimed to be working closely with LE to ensure no violence, but his organization is not vetting anyone who comes, is not controlling who can enter with them, and has no plan in place to deal with the inevitable mouth breathing idiots that always show up to things like this.

The potential for this event to go sideways is gigantic, and I am extremely worried that tomorrow will irreparably damage 2nd Amendment advocacy, leaving armed Americans with literally no choice other than to physically fight for their rights.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 19, 2020 3:37 PM  

What if Northam held an ambush, and nobody came?

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 3:40 PM  

Agents provoceteur from the left/bureaucrat alliance will make sure this becomes at least one step closer to the cold civil war becoming the hot civil war which they left has been openly pining for since before I entered kindergarten in 1970.

Blogger FP January 19, 2020 3:42 PM  

Its been obvious its a trap to one degree or another for awhile as many have pointed out, like Bracken who went on a mini crusade against anyone going last week. This isn't Charlottesville though the VA gov is trying to make it so. Things have changed in the past 2-3 years and this is forcing the gun grabbers to make blatant oppressive moves. The media is going to spin things no matter what, whether you stay home and drill as a militia or show up at a rally.

The VCDL's counter so far has been to have armed people watching over the disarmed in the kill box er fenced in free speech zone.

No matter what, the blame for all of this belongs on Northam's shoulders and those of the democrats passing these laws.

Blogger The Cooler January 19, 2020 3:42 PM  

This is your hill, Boomers. There are many like it, but this one is yours.

Blogger David Ray Milton January 19, 2020 3:44 PM  

Did anyone mention the fact that this is taking place on MLK day? I believe the chance to pull a Charlottesville-like optical illusion is very high given that it’s Civil Rights Day and the proximity to Charlottesville.

And yet, I think this is a fight worth taking. The Right needs to stand its ground and regain control of the public space.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 19, 2020 3:47 PM  

Virginia State Senator Amanda Chase
She homeschooled her kids.
Definitely not of the traditional female politician mold.

Blogger ar10308 January 19, 2020 3:53 PM  

Attending this obvious trap is a stupid move. Entering the fenced in area disarmed is an even stupider idea.
Attending this in any form is akin to giving an interview to the media. It has already been spun to not benefit you.

Blogger FallenImmortal January 19, 2020 4:05 PM  

I live 15-20 minutes away from Richmond. I have friends in the area. Please be praying for the safety of all involved. Most people are clueless about this because they have lives to live without caring about what's happening around them. Thank you.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 19, 2020 4:17 PM  

Wazdakka wrote:It's incredible that Richmond can continue to be a place of such importance in America's fortunes.

The White supremacist nonsense merely marks any person spouting it as an agitator to be ignored.


Illegal alien Canadian "White Supremacists": Doing the jobs Americans just won't do.

Blogger Gettimothy January 19, 2020 4:22 PM  

Bill Kristol thrice lies in one tweet

Our second amendment isn't under attack. Our state may well be under attack, though, if violent mobs succeed in assembling in Richmond Monday. A normal president would urge calm and offer assistance. But that is the way of a president, not of a demagogue

1. (((Our)))
2. 2A not under attack
3. Mob

Utterly evil man

Blogger Azimus January 19, 2020 4:22 PM  

Wasn't this done somewhere else, and Antifa was gathered at the only way in/out and started a mass brawl?

Blogger Jill in StL January 19, 2020 4:34 PM  

I follow several fairly well known 2A rights guys in the VA area on IG - they are comparing what could potentially happen this week not to Charlottesville, but more of a Bundy Ranch-type scenario. There are already helicopters constantly circling the area allegedly using some kind of technology to track cellphones in the area to gain access to exactly who is on-ground and attending and they've been urging those still on the way to buy burner disposable phones, leave their real cellphones completely at home, then pitch the burner phones asap when/if the event has hopefully ended to avoid "monitoring" - not sure if they are getting accurate intel or not, but they certainly seem to think that the VA government and the feds are trying to turn this into a Bundy Ranch-type thing. My prayers are with them that everyone remains safe and cool-headed, as this whole thing could end up going horribly badly.

Blogger nswhorse January 19, 2020 4:44 PM  

I saw a thread today where every single comment was a call for violence against Kaitlin Bennett because she opposes abortion and supports gun rights. The projection never ends.

Blogger Jeroth January 19, 2020 4:49 PM  

Weak wrote:This is such an obvious trap. Even the dumbest patriots must know not to attend.

Many of them know, but they are going to attend anyway. They see it as an obligation. But I'm hearing most are going to stay armed and stay outside the fence. And there will be a lot of people there with bolt cutters and other means of cutting the fence, so God knows what will actually happen.

Blogger JohnG January 19, 2020 4:54 PM  

I doubt there's a good outcome possible, but I think the confrontation must be had, a good showing is a must. The left doesn't know that fire is hot (and they've painted themselves into a corner), and the right needs to be disabused of the notion that the left isn't serious. Regardless of what happens, you can expect that the gov't will round up/crack down on militia leaders and probably the VCDL. Hopefully there's lots of video of any excesses by gov't, it'll be recruitment fodder for the follow-on insurgency.

Blogger braq January 19, 2020 5:07 PM  

Here's part of their planning: VA state police show up on boomer's doorstep to be sure he isn't an evil white nationalist planning mayhem, after he was seen walking aroudn the capitol grounds in a "suspicious" manner.

For everyone saying "Stay away, it's a trap!" - so, just ignore your God-given and enumerated right to assemble or engage in speech or bear arms - because the tyrannical government said so? How is that 'winning'?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 19, 2020 5:09 PM  

Tomorrow, we will see Boomer tactics. We will see a slow, clumsy attempts to have free political speech. We will then see very unreasonable people—unreachable, deaf people—misrepresent the vast majority of participants with violence and foolishness. We will then, as it was with Charlottesville, watch the SWAT teams either close in on the Right, or push them into the feral mobs of the Left. People will be driven one way or another into violence. Urine will be splashed in the Right’s face; the Left will laugh and the Right will become enraged. But it will be the Right who is taken into custody and castigated across the mediascape for weeks, months, and years.

At worst, people who lack emotional discipline will lose it and open fire on their perceived enemy. And in that worst-case scenario, a bloodbath will ensue.

In the aftermath of tomorrow’s disaster, we will see an even harsher clampdown on the Right’s ability to have political speech as well as our gun rights. One after another, various places throughout the United States will cave in and fold to the pressure of the Left, declaring it unconstitutional to even have any kind of arms whatsoever. A new paradigm will be set to attack and transform this country into something it never was.

The Right will be upset. It will lick its wounds afterwards. People will bitch and complain about what was done to them. And the scoffers, jokesters, and snide, weedy-voiced detractors on the Right will continue to cannibalize their own people. And it goes on and on.

Blogger jarheadljh January 19, 2020 5:11 PM  

Here's the big problem - everybody knows that this has to happen. We're barely going to get enough legal help taking down these laws after they rubber-stamp them following this demonstration. If no one shows up to oppose no one will show up to fight in court.

If people show up to protest, there will be a false flag event. Antifa is going to be there, we already know the game plan is to set up the pro-gun side to go through the same gauntlet that the Charottesville crowd had to go through. Or frame them for a shooting. Or a million things. Doesn't matter, if no one shows up, they have free reign to keep going.

Then we're going to have to do this here in Oregon, too.

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 5:21 PM  

@12

"Anyone even remotely right of center who goes to this is a fool."

The problem there, is that then they are conceding not only the field, but the entire issue to the gun-grabbers in power.

So, the question is:
Be wrong, hiding like a coward and ceding your rights, or be wrong and attacked by fascist Antifa while standing up for your rights?

The cops aren't going to open fire -- they don't want a Boston Massacre -- because they know what the results of that one were, and other phony-"Justice" types were already put on notice a decade ago, "No more free Wacos."

The best thing to do is to attend, but DO NOT SET FOOT inside the fence/trap. Let the antifa tools and their false-flagging agent provocateurs do that.

Blogger Uncompliant January 19, 2020 5:22 PM  

"The massive "temporary flight restriction" is particularly ominous, as it would appear to be designed to prevent independent camera drones from providing a clear picture of what is happening."

FWIW add to that: USN is conducting testing off the east coast; supposedly testing GPS-denial equipment with a range that reaches Richmond.

https://www.newstarget.com/2020-01-17-military-to-jam-gps-signals-fbi-asserting-imminent-domain-seize-night-vision.html

See list of advisories here:

https://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/notices_public.aspx

I note an advisory out of Ft. Bragg, NC too.

Blogger traderdoc January 19, 2020 5:33 PM  

Virginia going all 3rd Gen. warfare response.

Plus, the way Northam's blackface racism problem, and the AG's rape problem were so quickly memory holed a year ago, suggest this thing was in the planning phase long ago.

Do the 2nd Amendment guys know how to go 4th Gen, and grab the high moral ground?

Blogger VFM #7634 January 19, 2020 5:38 PM  

Anyone even remotely right of center who goes to this is a fool.

So... I'm guessing we can expect Richard Spencer to be there, then.

Blogger Jay Will January 19, 2020 5:47 PM  

Pat McPastyWhite local yokel has already been fingered for the pre-crime.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 19, 2020 5:47 PM  

Cops drive 100 miles,show up on the porch of a guy who is planning to attend Monday's rally because he had been seen on camera, checking the rally spot out.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/watch-armed-thugs-drive-100-miles-to-harass-a-patriot-at-his-home-because-he-visited-virginia-capitol/

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 19, 2020 5:53 PM  

Is there nowhere else to assemble in Richmond? Why not steal a march on antifa and the rest of the freaks by appropriating their tactic of blocking some major thoroughfares?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 19, 2020 6:04 PM  

Anything the right does will have constant infiltration, false flag, and bad optics run against it. Best thing to do is just kmow it's coming and shrug it off.

No way around it.

Blogger Avalanche January 19, 2020 6:06 PM  

@17 "break Northams legitimacy in the court of public opinion"

And you intend to get truth out in front of "public opinion," just how? MSNBC? CNN?

I'm not blackpilling; I sent to an organizer of our folks that, with just two small exits -- and antifa invited INSIDE the pen -- the armed folks 'we' are having outside, armed and many holding for their compatriots inside the pen, should, as things wind down or before, line up 2-3 deep making a cordon from the two exits out into free space. Both sides of the exit gates: 1/3 facing in; 2/3s facing out, visibly armed.

Also, any unknowns inside need to be videoed or photographed -- if antifa is coming in, pretending to be 'us,' then they'll have to be maskless. Our autistes will be able to ID many of them.

As Han Solo once said, "I have a baaaaad feeling about this."

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 19, 2020 6:17 PM  

Trump and Bill Barr have a nice fiddle duet going.

Blogger exfarmkid January 19, 2020 6:20 PM  

The 2nd amendment sanctuary movement has been a huge win. Until quite recently the political mistakes were being made by Governor Northam and his allies.

Passing on the Richmond rally this year is not "running away", it would have prevented the "own goal" which is unfolding.

Best base scenario tomorrow is nobody injured or killed, but Nazi flags are waved around by government agents pinning this image on the 2nd amendment movement, and government agencies get to test out lots of methods of gathering data for later use and improve their interagency coordination.

I really hope we don't see a worst case tomorrow.

Blogger Akuma January 19, 2020 6:24 PM  

"But it will be the Right who is taken into custody and castigated across the mediascape for weeks, months, and years."

Yes. Only because the Cucked Authorities quell the insurrection and coup by the left. Everyone knows Antifa and the left are the problem. However, when push comes to shove no commander on the ground ends it.

They instead turn and attack their own. They are the liberals enforcers on street level.Theres not enough rope in America to cure treason of this magnitude.

Blogger Monotonous Languor January 19, 2020 6:29 PM  

Question to those who think this rally shouldn't be done because 'trap':

How do you propose ever fighting the left's evil game of preemptive defense?

Blogger xevious2030 January 19, 2020 6:34 PM  

“no way of knowing what will inspire the eventual collapse of the political union”

Was thinking the language of the article, and the sense of Virginia, from afar, is not dissimilar to the tone of the slavery “discussion” in the territories shortly before the Civil War, as retold in various classes of grades of schools.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 19, 2020 6:38 PM  

And, of course, the Virginia State Police is claiming it might take hours to get people into their cage. AKA either BS or complete incompetence, take your pick. But given the mid-30s highs forecast, it'll keep numbers down.

To be honest, our experience in Maryland (we DO have friends in the legislature, just not enough) has been that rallys are not nearly as impressive as showing up to testify. Although that can be gamed, too.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 19, 2020 6:40 PM  

Monotonous Languor wrote:How do you propose ever fighting the left's evil game of preemptive defense?
You attack where they are weak, and force them to attack you where you are strong.
4GW complicates this mightily, but the principle holds.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 19, 2020 6:44 PM  

"3 more linked to neo-Nazi group arrested in Georgia"

https://apnews.com/be1f537775593d49415a008f2639f39c?fbclid=IwAR3Ai2AWv2DAg0jeHI_gFsLHTmulLj-LmbX6FbyZq6IkYQHYMhdDJypCyPw

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 19, 2020 6:48 PM  

Hardly any discussion about the historical disaster that's about to happen tomorrow in Virginia, except in Leftist media and on Twitter and select com boxes. I mean...tomorrow could be the flashpoint of a civil war, and there's absolutely NO engagement. Not on the levels I'd prefer to see.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 19, 2020 6:53 PM  

VCDL president Philip Van Cleave said he’s heard from groups around the country that plan to send members to Virginia, including the Nevada-based, far-right Oath Keepers, which has promised to organize and train armed posses and militia.

Extremist groups have blanketed social media and online forums with ominous messages and hinted at potential violence. The FBI said it arrested three men linked to a violent white supremacist group Thursday who were planning to attend the rally in Richmond, according to a law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an active investigation.


Oh noes, the far right Oaf-Keepers!! Would these be the same extreme rightists one of whose higher-ups actually threatened readers of this very blog a couple of years back?? The ones who routinely side with Antifa? As I recall it was some worthless badge-gang dindu out in western Kwa-Bananaland who threatened the readership here. How stupid can people be? Anyone with even two brain-cells to rub together should have sense should stay the hell away after the complete farce of Charlottesville. This is so obviously a false-flag and entrapment that even a conservative should be able to sense it.

Then there's the ultimate badge of integrity the FBI - staffed entirely with murderous criminals who operate under the color of law with complete impunity (Ruby Ridge, Waco, Las Vegas just to name three example of many more). Virginia is the perfect example of the complete failure of conservatives and Republicans. All those nice H1B model immigrants are the ones who voted for Gov. Coonman and his cronies, who obviously take their orders from Soros and the like. As has been noted many a time on these pages: Conservatives have conserved nothing. Yet there are still morons out there who think the folks who could not even conserve the ladies room are going to stand for the 2nd amendment.

The unhappy 2nd amendment sanctuary counties in Virginia can still legally secede and join West Virginia to leave Coonman and his supporters with their counties in the swampy area around Sodom-on-Potomac. Better this than empty posturing and marching into traps laid by known criminals. This might buy YT some time but unless they wake up and understand that Coonman, his bosses, the FBI, negroes and all the rest of the diversities want to exterminate all honkies who are insufficiently obsequious to the (((Popes of Woke))) who are hell-bent healin' the world with their pedo-luv.

Blogger Stryker4570 January 19, 2020 6:55 PM  

Probably not going to go the best. However, if they discourage turnout, this will become a blueprint for squelching dissent everywhere else. If you are more afraid of them and what they might do, than losing your rights, go home and let others do the heavy lifting.

Blogger Haxo Angmark January 19, 2020 6:56 PM  

as per above, local cops may not open fire...but

gun-grabber Drumpf's fed snipers on the rooftoop overwatch may well do so.

Blogger tuberman January 19, 2020 7:10 PM  

52. Snidely Whiplash

Yes, is Richmond so important, because Capital? Why not hold this in Virginia counties where police/sheriffs are on 2A side?

Blogger ar10308 January 19, 2020 7:16 PM  

@Monotonous Languor:
"How do you propose ever fighting the left's evil game of preemptive defense?"

Firstly, but not marching right in to the trap they've set. This is literally a battlefield prepared by the enemy. You don't let the enemy pick the battlefield. Sometimes winning is as simple as not making massive tactical and strategic blunders.

Blogger RedJack January 19, 2020 7:35 PM  

Never walk into a kill box unless you can spin it around. Perception wise.. well it is madness.

Have family in the area. Told them to head west if possible, or shelter in place if not.

Blogger RedJack January 19, 2020 7:36 PM  

Correct. Been telling people to read SJW always lie and rules for radicals. You dont win by doing what your adversaries want you to

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel January 19, 2020 7:41 PM  

FAA issued a temporary flight restriction, including for drones, over Capitol airspace during the rally.

And the swamp rushes to the aid of leftists.

Blogger Stilicho January 19, 2020 7:42 PM  

Going in to the viper's den to complain about the viper is moronic

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 19, 2020 7:45 PM  

@49, Does your state legislator have a local office or a home in your district? Go demonstrate in front of it tomorrow. If every state legislator got panicky calls from family and staff tomorrow, that would be effective like nothing else.

Let the folks who go to Richmond be cover for a meaningful effort.

Blogger Uncompliant January 19, 2020 7:48 PM  

Go, but stay out of the death cage! How about that option?

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 19, 2020 7:49 PM  

People who fight strategically are not cucking and they are not cowards.
There is absolutely nothing to be gained by going to this retard rally. Even if goes off entirely without a hitch, it accomplishes nothing. It is a lot of risk for no potential reward. Think of all of the money and time that will be wasted tomorrow on this thing. The travel, the expenses, the hotel and food. All for what? Does anyone think the governor will see the protestors and decide that his opposition to gun ownership is the wrong opinion?

Blogger papabear January 19, 2020 7:49 PM  

"applied far right and extremist tags."

And now the white nationalist tag too.

Blogger The Deuce January 19, 2020 8:22 PM  

How viable is creating pro-gun martyrs? Ie, go unarmed, take beatings from antifa, film them, then bring criminal and civil lawsuits against Northam for having caused the damages by violating people's right to defend themselves. Then use it as justification to violate any further such unconstitutional orders in the future.

Blogger tuberman January 19, 2020 8:28 PM  

The ones who set up this venue, are not on the 2A side. They set it up as a Trap from the start.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 19, 2020 8:48 PM  

What are the optics of a slaughter inside this fenced in area from snipers and LEO?

Piles of dead bodies.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 19, 2020 9:05 PM  

go unarmed, take beatings from antifa, film them, then bring criminal and civil lawsuits against Northam for having caused the damages by violating people's right to defend themselves.
You assume there wont be a plant in the group.
Always assume at least one plant, better yet, a whole garden.

Blogger cyrus83 January 19, 2020 9:51 PM  

It's highly likely the left has crisis actors in place to stage a crisis that will be captured on phones by a couple plants staged nearby, with media stories and interviews pre-written. The left is getting its crisis with or without the cooperation or presence of 2A supporters - it obviously would prefer to make patsies out of actual patriots, but is content with a crisis that's faked from beginning to end by its own side.

Blogger Statix January 19, 2020 9:52 PM  

The right approach is just to cancel the whole f**"ing thing. No need to walk yourself into a narrow ravine like the enemy is fully anticipating. There will be plenty of opportunities in the future to let your voice be heard on the issue.

Blogger John Rockwell January 19, 2020 9:59 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Anything the right does will have constant infiltration, false flag, and bad optics run against it. Best thing to do is just kmow it's coming and shrug it off.

No way around it.


What is the best counter-strategy against it?

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 10:08 PM  

@55 Gen Kong

What kind of general hides from a fight over his rights and liberties?

I guess you're the kind of general who would prefer to live as a slave than die as a free man.

Not showing up concedes the issue without a fight.

If the Governor GloboHomo decides to pull gay ops, then it will show the rest of the country that TPTB intend to use gay ops, and it's time to put all other government officials on alert that those sorts of things won't be tolerated.

Despite the FAA ban, I'm sure there WILL be private drones flying -- what are they going to do, try firing Stinger missiles made detect, track and target hot, fuel-burning engines at a batter-powered blob.

I qualified as a Stinger gunner. You can't target what you can't see, and over a couple hundred feet up, you can't even see one of those drones.

And nothing prevents people from making video from high windows.

Gay ops will be exposed.

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 10:11 PM  

@58

"Yes, is Richmond so important, because Capital? Why not hold this in Virginia counties where police/sheriffs are on 2A side?"

So, your idea is to move the march from the traditional location, to one where the lawmakers who intend to violate the constitution are NOT... and so that the major media can COMPLETELY ignore it, thereby allowing them to memory-hole the entire march.

Good plan... not.

It MUST be in Richmond, because that's where the TV cameras are.

Blogger tublecane January 19, 2020 10:13 PM  

They got the guy who got mobbed driving away from the Charlottesville Trap for murder, right? I saw footage of the now-dead hog he never even touched being carried on a stretcher by like 9 men. It was ridiculous. No one should be held responsible for her poor health.

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 10:15 PM  

@66

"There is absolutely nothing to be gained by going to this retard rally."

Oh really.

How about blasting it all over the news for the next few weeks that they managed to get gun owners to CANCEL an annual march.

If this march was a 1-off, it wouldn't matter.

That this march is an YEARLY THING means that cancelling it provides the enemy with major propaganda ammunition.

Sometimes, there are no good options, but there are some options (giving up without a fight) which are worse than the other bad options.

Blogger Statix January 19, 2020 10:16 PM  

It's becoming more and more clear that this event is a bunch of idiot boomers who think attending a rally will actually accomplish anything. Nothing to be gained, a whole lot to lose. Like a previous commenter said, it's basically agreeing to do an interview with the media, thinking you'll be able to change their mind.

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 10:20 PM  

@68 The Deuce

Re: gun-owners going unarmed, and allowing themselves to be beaten by Antifa, to then use as the basis for disobeying ALL future gun restrictions:

Tactically costly for the participants, but a definite win on the strategic and moral levels.

To the guy who suggested protests at every single Virginia legislators' home-district office, multi-pronged attack is a great idea.

State police are all converged on Richmond, leaving the rest of the state staffed at lower than usual levels. Reserve police have probably been called up, but often they don't have much authority (for example, local police reserve around me aren't armed when reinforcing the regular police).

Blogger Geir Balderson January 19, 2020 10:38 PM  

All the boomers should go meet at the local fairgrounds and have funnel cakes.

Blogger Akulkis January 19, 2020 10:44 PM  

@Statix.

Jefferson's tree of liberty needs to be watered, and as he predicted, it takes the blood of both scoundrels AND patriots.

If not tomorrow in Richmond, then it will be somewhere else. If not ever, then liberty WILL die.

There is no getting around this. The cabal slowly encroaches our liberties, an inch at a time -- camel's nose inside the tent style.

If not this issue, then which?
If not now, then when?

Governor GloboHomo can't allow this to become a modern-day Boston Massacre, or else every fence-sitter, and even some of the naive "socialism is just about the government doing good things for people" types would run to the hard right, and firearms shops would be sold out out of arms and ammunition in under a week.

This is JUST AS DANGEROUS for the left as it is for us. They have the advantage of controlling the major intel channels (MSM news), but if there's a pile of dead-bodies, due to police use of firearms, or even due to a bunch of people being stampeded into a fence and crushed to death, it won't be the gun-rights group looking bad, it will be the Governor, and the Richmond/Virginia Capitol/Virginia State police who will end up being held responsible by the majority of the public for deliberately creating a cage with only 3 points of egress in one corner in the first place.

The Cabal's methods of government and social manipulation are very similar to the BPD's abuse of a spouse. Constantly upping the provocations, but only a slight bit at a time, so that the victim won't bolt (I didn't leave when the abuse was turned up to 43... why should I leave when it gets turn up to 44?). Yet every violation of rights is CUMULATIVE.
It's not Oh, they switched to abrogating liberty F, so now we have liberty E back again, just like we got back liberties A, B, C, and D.
No.. it then becomes: Now we've lost liberty F IN ADDITION TO the previously lost liberties of A,B,C,D and E (freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.... )

Are you getting my drift?

Look, if the right to keep and bear arms is gone, then you can kiss EVERY SINGLE ONE of your other liberties good bye.

DONE.
OVER.
Do not pass Go.
Do not collect $200.
Go directly to slavery.

And I say this as a U.S. soldier -- someone who, in all of this, would be spared your fate, because I have a federal military ID.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 19, 2020 10:54 PM  

Tolkien once said that myths were largely based on fact. I don't see him as a seer of sorts, but one of his day jobs was study and interpretation of the ancient tales, many esoteric that we seldom hear of. So possibly he could see the patterns in human tales, myths, and actions.
I have a feeling that this situation in VA is intended to be a bad one, but the attributes of UTR are not in place. Things are not going to go as planned.

Blogger Jeroth January 19, 2020 10:58 PM  

MrGunsNGear doing recon live at the location: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_lN7H1bFKY. For what it's worth.

Blogger Alexamenos January 19, 2020 11:02 PM  

One of the most salient and overlooked facts about Charlottesville is that the KKk held a rally and antifa showed up in force. Local law enforcement kept antifa and the kkk separated by a safe margin, the event was by and large peaceful and forgotten as soon as it was over.

That was just a couple of months before the Unite the Right rally.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 19, 2020 11:52 PM  

Q just dropped a post that is a bit of a heads-up. More cryptic than usual.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 20, 2020 12:15 AM  

@Alkukis: You're smarter than that. Read #59, who has it exactly correct:

This is literally a battlefield prepared by the enemy. You don't let the enemy pick the battlefield. Sometimes winning is as simple as not making massive tactical and strategic blunders.

You make them fight on your battlefield. It should be quite obvious by this point that walking into a kill-box they've set up for us is not going to work any better for our side than any of the previous gay-ops carried out by the deep-state. (((They))) own the media and far too many clueless idiots continue to take their stream of lies as gospel. Any martyrdom would be portrayed as "killing domestic terrrrsts". Not the hill to die on.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 20, 2020 12:18 AM  

This is why Northam was placed in the office of governor. He's an empty suit and can't serve consecutive terms. He is owned by Bloomberg & Soros, and hates Virginia and Virginians.

The best result would be for West Virginia to grow east & south and turn what's left of Virginia into a southern Maryland. It's great that West Virginia is an ally for the good guys. The idea of western Virginia joining West Virginia was better news than I was expecting.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2020 12:22 AM  

The Deuce wrote:How viable is creating pro-gun martyrs?
Don't know about viable, but it is almost inevitable. Pro-gun martyrs is the only good that might come of this.

Blogger ZhukovG January 20, 2020 12:34 AM  

Never walk into an ambush. Flank and destroy it. Go around it. But never walk into an ambush.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 20, 2020 12:37 AM  

In the link I posted earlier, it talks about how this group called "The Base", a white supremacist group, wants to infiltrate Richmond tomorrow and kill people.

Now, with that in mind, I'd like to call your attention to the fact that the word "al Qaeda" also translates to "The Base." Keep that in mind, as well as the fact that the Deep State likes to create terrorist organizations.

Blogger KeenEyedJoe January 20, 2020 1:51 AM  

A very dire analysis, sir. We should all pray to Jesus for a miraculous good outcome.

Blogger Korbin Ransley January 20, 2020 1:53 AM  

@75 Sir, Strategy is the Art of the General is it not?

I remember hearing something along the lines of Tactics are how you win a battle, and Strategy is deciding whether a particular battle needs to be fought in the first place.

That being said. I think a strong showing in V.A. against gun Grabs would be great. I heard someone say that there should be enough normies there to make a good showing.

Well wishes to all.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit January 20, 2020 1:56 AM  

@26 Make Monday a day of prayer.

Thy Kingdom come. Deo volente.

Pass it on.

Blogger Raker_T January 20, 2020 2:11 AM  

Wonder how many cops will be defending the -outside- of the fence? I guess they need to, considering it's a temporary structure, probably made of lowest bidder grade material. There was a time when they would have to watch for people climbing the fence; but technology keeps changing. There are a lot of cordless reciprocating saws out there, and demolition blades are easy to get.
Maintaining a safe and orderly environment will be that much harder.

Blogger Nostra Dame Us January 20, 2020 2:28 AM  

I think he'll be arriving in the same vehicle as David Duke.

Blogger Noah B. January 20, 2020 3:23 AM  

So, your idea is to move the march from the traditional location, to one where the lawmakers who intend to violate the constitution are NOT... and so that the major media can COMPLETELY ignore it, thereby allowing them to memory-hole the entire march.

How about blasting it all over the news for the next few weeks that they managed to get gun owners to CANCEL an annual march.

It is a given that the Fake News will lie and spread globohomo propaganda. They will either say that turnout was low indicating there is little opposition to gun control, or else that gunowners are dangerous nutcases who need to be declared domestic terrorists.

So any strategy whose aim is to gain positive news coverage or avoid unfavorable coverage is doomed from the start. It's much more important to consider how that news coverage is going to look in the days and weeks ahead to people who actually matter and whether the Fake News' lies about the rally will eventually be exposed. If the bulk of the rally is moved outside the kill box and Fake News claims turnout was low, their lies will get exposed yet again and their credibility eroded a little further while Bloomberg's lackey still gets the message. And it's an even stronger, better message: we're angry enough to show up and we're not stupid enough to walk into your trap.

Blogger Sillon January 20, 2020 5:25 AM  

The words of the immortal admiral Ackbar come to mind:

"Its a trap!"

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 20, 2020 5:55 AM  

@70

VCDL put out a plea for people to "take one for the team" by going into the caged area. Wonderful.

Armed or unarmed, it hardly matters when you're in a huge mob of people with all this going on. How do you truly defend yourself in that situation?

Would an army ever put itself into this position? It's insane. But I guess maybe we get some martyrs out of it; God bless their souls.

Blogger ar10308 January 20, 2020 6:39 AM  

@Akulkis,
You don't control those TV cameras. Your enemy does.
Why do you want to perform for TV cameras that aren't going to serve your purpose, but the exact opposite?

Stop thinking like a Boomer.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 20, 2020 7:08 AM  

IMO a tactically stupid move to enter the Kill Box or to even go to Richmond armed or unarmed. The best I can hope for is that when the legacy media labels them with the usual Cultural Marxist rhetoric that rhetoric and the people who use it are seen as evil and illegitimate. But we are talking about conservatives and any chance to appear smart and be invited to have the all important "discussion" even if accepting the enemy's language is gobbled up like a donut at the cop shop.

Blogger CostelloM January 20, 2020 7:35 AM  

Before there can be a Yorktown there must be a Lexington/Concord and before that a Boston Massacre or two. Sad to say but if everyone simply stays home that will send a message loud and clear that the 2nd amendment is dead already. If you go and there is a major skirmish the casualties might by high especially if they roll out high tech military goodies for the fight. Of course if the governor does that then the next fight won't be some demonstration - it will be a 10,000 little battles as power lines are cut, caltrops are seeded on roads, water mains break, etc.
Civilization allows people to live in great numbers in a small space and this is held together through lots of layers of cooperation. If that cooperation stops or worse you've got even 1% actively trying to sabotage things the big cities become death traps rather quickly and the other side is concentrated in those big cities with far too many points of failure to guard all at once.

Blogger Stilicho January 20, 2020 8:24 AM  

>It MUST be in Richmond, because that's where the TV cameras are.<

Wrong. Richmond is where the enemies' cameras are.

Look, this is a stupid Boomer move, but it has been made. What remains is too make the best of it. I seriously doubt they have any plans for attacking into the ambush which is about the only way to defeat one once it is sprung.

No one is saying don't fight. We are saying don't fight on the enemy's terms at a time and place of the enemy's choosing.

In fact, the best thing that could happen is either useful martyrs (hardly optimal) or no one but Antifa and globohomo agents going into the killbox with all of the 2A supports remaining outside and armed.

Blogger tuberman January 20, 2020 9:56 AM  

I like Owen's take on this about not getting emotional, as in the long haul, this won't be a big deal either for or against 2nd. Most likely this will work against the globalists down the road.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 20, 2020 10:03 AM  

Gen. Kong wrote:. Any martyrdom would be portrayed as "killing domestic terrrrsts". Not the hill to die on.
The Alamo didn't strengthen the resolve of the Mexicans, but it strengthened the Texans.

Blogger Akulkis January 20, 2020 10:10 AM  

If nobody standing up for gun-rights shows up, then either:

1) The left will claim victory -- "We shut down a long-established annual gun rights march!"

or

2) The agent provocateurs will do execute their mission, and gun-owners will still be vilified anyways.

This is bigger than tactics. And it's bigger than even strategy. At some point, it's inevitable. Better that it happens with a President in office who supports us rather than loathing and despising us, and that if the army is used, it is ordered to support those fighting for the constitution against rogue government officials rather than the army being ordered to support the rogue officials who loath the people and despise our liberties.

There is NO avoiding this fight, because the left is DETERMINED to take all of our liberties away until we've been turned into China -- no Bill of Rights, and now with a shiny new Mark of the Beast.

"Security checkpoints with identification scanners guard the train station and roads in and out of town. Facial scanners track comings and goings at hotels, shopping malls and banks. Police use hand-held devices to search smartphones for encrypted chat apps, politically charged videos and other suspect content. To fill up with gas, drivers must first swipe their ID cards and stare into a camera."

...

"When fruit vendor Parhat Imin swiped his card at a telecommunications office this summer to pay an overdue phone bill, his photo popped up with an “X.” Since then, he says, every scan of his ID card sets off an alarm. He isn’t sure what it signifies, but figures he is on some kind of government watch list because he is a Uighur and has had intermittent run-ins with the police.

He says he is reluctant to travel for fear of being detained. “They blacklisted me,” he says. “I can’t go anywhere.”

All across China, authorities are rolling out new technology to keep watch over people and shape their behavior. Controls on expression have tightened under President Xi Jinping, and the state’s vast security web now includes high-tech equipment to monitor online activity and even snoop in smartphone messaging apps."

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/china-transitions-to-a-surveillance-state/

quoted from:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/twelve-days-in-xinjiang-how-chinas-surveillance-state-overwhelms-daily-life-1513700355

If you don't think the SJWs and their Maoist leaders don't drool over the idea of imposing that sort of nonsense here, then you're not paying attention.

Disarming the public is step one.

And any bad propaganda out of Richmond is going to broadcast, even if not a single gun-owner shows up, unless they decided that it would be an even bigger win to gloat with "gun-owner's annual march SHUT DOWN"

And if some naive baby boomers get themselves killed -- well, it'll be the first time that generation does something which the beneficial effect of showing the younger generation WHY they need the whole Bill of Rights, rather than tearing it down like they've been doing since 1970.

"Never walk into an ambush. Flank and destroy it. Go around it. But never walk into an ambush."

There's no reason for anybody to walk into the fenced-in kill-pen. Filling the streets for one block in each direction would be just as effective and not nearly as dangerous.

However, the left wants blood, and they want fake martyrs. And so they will get blood and fake martyrs, regardless of what anybody else does.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 20, 2020 10:29 AM  

Well if the eye of Sauron is trained on a specific area, there many paths and opportunities open. A major city is a large area, dependent on many systems.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 20, 2020 11:20 AM  

I see a lot of “ oh no! Don’t go in there! Just stay home! It’s a trap!”
There is a notable lack of any other suggestions on how else to properly demonstrate to tyrants that their efforts will always fail on US soil.

This is already war. Anyone not of the Left will eventually be labeled and mischaracterized as all manner of things, because their(the left)father is father of lies. If this demonstrations person is anything other than “Give me liberty or give me death”, if it’s just some half-measure, then sure, go home and plan for an actual fight instead of being afraid that enemy might lie about you.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 20, 2020 11:21 AM  

“Destroy it” is the key here.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 20, 2020 11:25 AM  

So where in this comment is the method by which Virginians win their liberty? We know they own media, so what? Do the yellow vests care what the French media says about them? We once fought against the king, and we should now worry about Rachel Maddow?

If this isn’t the hill, what is?

Blogger Akulkis January 20, 2020 12:20 PM  

@93

"I remember hearing something along the lines of Tactics are how you win a battle, and Strategy is deciding whether a particular battle needs to be fought in the first place."

What was the Win:Loss record of the Continental Army, 1775-1783?

A lot of those battles Washington and the others lost were MANDATORY.

To successfully execute a Fabian strategy, it is not necessary to even 30% of your battles... but it IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED that you continue to put an army on the field.

The moment you can no longer put an army in the field, then you have lost not just the tactical point, you have lost the entire freaking war... REGARDLESS of what strategy you are using.

And if losing this battle exposes the absolutely corrupt nature of the GloboHomo Governor & Legislature, then that's a victory at the highest level -- the moral level.

Blogger Akulkis January 20, 2020 12:24 PM  

@100

"You don't control those TV cameras. Your enemy does.
Why do you want to perform for TV cameras that aren't going to serve your purpose, but the exact opposite?"

Every flat-screen phone is a live-streaming video camera.

If you think only the TV stations and networks own TV cameras, you need to come back from the 1960's.

Blogger Korbin Ransley January 20, 2020 1:47 PM  

@111 Nice. Well said sir o7

Blogger Akulkis January 20, 2020 2:41 PM  

As they say, "Don't call me sir. I work for a living."

Let's just say my education, knowledge and understanding all exceed my rank by a considerable margin.

Blogger tdcommenter January 20, 2020 5:06 PM  

Post script: a peaceful, undisrupted rally.

It looks like there was too much unity and discipline for the lefties to take exploit the situation. The Bab Bee was on the job: https://babylonbee.com/news/media-offers-thoughts-and-prayers-that-someone-would-start-some-violence-at-gun-rights-rally

Blogger Avalanche January 20, 2020 5:29 PM  

@66 "All for what? Does anyone think the governor will see the protestors and decide that his opposition to gun ownership is the wrong opinion?"

No of course it's not going to move the gov'n'r a micro-inch! The POINT is the watchers -- the sad and scared rightists who don't DARE say or do anything because they are all alone, surrounded by evil lefties... THEY will see 20-30-thousand folks: folks CLEARLY smart enough to NOT go into the death pens, but to instead hold their guns and show their guns and show themselves. Folks who were and are brave enough -- and think it's important enough -- to go stand up in public with armed people whom MOST folks don't believe even exist!

Seeing those crowds, those crowds possibly risking death because the 2nd A is THAT important, helps those of us out in the hinterlands -- or the DIEverse cities -- begin to see it's not "just me alone." MOST people are not brave, most people are afraid of being shot or knifed or arrested and locked in with two-legged animals... They might be willing to stand up IF there are lots of others standing up -- and oh look! In Richmond -- where the threat of riots and death were VERY REAL -- many thousands of people who believe the way I do, thought it was worthwhile and okay to come out.

Persuasion studies have shown one of the most persuasive motivators is "your neighbors/friends/relative are doing this; won't you do this too?" 20-30 thousands of people to whom some millions of folks FEEL allied (gun owners) just showed up on TV. "They're doing this won't you do it too?"

Stop confusing the 'training object,' in this case Gov Blackface and his advisors, with the trainees -- all the millions of folks WATCHING. USE the training objects to reach and teach the trainees!

Blogger Rhino Bear January 20, 2020 6:42 PM  

MSM peeps are really upset that no one got arrested or killed today.

Blogger Raker_T January 20, 2020 11:01 PM  

"ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED that you continue to put an army on the field."
I was at a fall harvest days historic event. I was the logging tool guy, there was a blacksmith and others, including a guy who was the weapons guy. He had interesting things to say about how armies would engage each other as they crossed a field; and used a nearby pasture as a reference. One thing he said was that in the 1700's one only lost if he had his army captured. Hasty retreat was not considered a loss.

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2020 1:27 AM  

Hasty retreat means your army bothered to show up.

Failing to show up means that the enemy force can do whatever they can to your towns, your crops, and your people.

Note that not only were people displaying the intent to openly defy the unconstitutional law, some ALSO defied the arbitrary FAA flight ban, and flew drones with cameras to show the size of the crowd showing up for the Lobby Day 2020 protest.

This was an important day.

Very few people realize that, under totally optimal conditions (i.e. no overseas troop deployments, every navy ship in friendly ports, nobody on vacation/leave, etc.) the best that the governments at all levels can put in the field field, would be about 12 Million combined federal/state military and federa/state/local law enforcement. And that's assuming that ALL of those jurisdictions, from municipal to federal, stick together in lock step.

In a Civil War over 2nd Amendment, the gun-grabbers would be lucky.... extremely lucky to get even 1/10th of that number of trigger-pullers to their side. Most cops would desert to the pro-2A side. Almost all army and marine corps personnel would do the same.

"Total Army" (regulars, reserves, national guard, IMA and IRR) is ~2,000,000, meaning only 200,000 in any type of trigger-puller MOS.


Now consider that the number of deer hunters in Michigan alone is > 600,000. The logistics tail in the army is 10x the number of trigger pullers.

Now throw in Texas, and all of the other states east of the Mississippi River, plus Mississippi, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Washington and Oregon. That's a lot of hunters, and most of them are accustomed to either stalking their quarry or laying in ambush in cold and/or wet whether.

Blogger Raker_T January 21, 2020 7:37 PM  

@119 Hope I didn't sound disagreeable, I meant that even if one makes a retreat, one can "continue to put an army in the field."

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2020 11:06 PM  

Raker-T

I understand -- it didn't seem disagreeable to me, but at the same time, it caused me to think things through again, and clarifying my point, riffing on your comment.


"Fleet in being" applies to naval warfare, and pretty much only naval warfare.

There is no "army in being" equivalent at the domestic political level. Your army has to show itself on a regular basis, or everyone will think it no longer exists, and it doesn't take much for that to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In the late 1930's~early 1940's, The Italian Navy had a rather influential impact on the war in North Africa, without ever leaving port. So much of an influence that the Royal Navy felt compelled to sink it one night using torpedo bomber biplanes made of wood and canvas with a top speed of around 120 mph (German bombers in the region could do about 250, and Italian and German fighters were even faster).

But as I said, there's not really an equivalent to this in land warfare, and especially not in political warfare.

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