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Friday, January 24, 2020

Russia bans dual-citizens

No wonder the neoclowns have been clamoring incessantly for war with Russia. They recognized, before anyone else did, that their "hello, fellow Russians" jig was up:
Dual citizens and holders of foreign residency permits will now be barred from holding official positions within the Russian Federation. In addition, 25 years of Russian residency will be required of anyone running for President instead of the current 10. This may seem like a minor change, but it is causing Russia’s fifth-columnists and members of the liberal opposition to tear their hair out while gnashing their teeth because most of the current ones will be automatically disqualified from holding office while any future ones will be forced to choose between serving Russia and having a bug-out plan.

More specifically, given their new outsider status, their Western masters will consider them useless and will no longer funnel funds to them or offer them free regime change training. This approach is sure to be more effective than the current, more labor-intensive one of playing whack-a-mole with foreign-financed NGOs and foreign agents attempting to infiltrate Russia’s government.
The United States and other Western governments desperately need to enact a similar law. Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship would disqualify a citizen from holding office or working for the national government.

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126 Comments:

Blogger CarpeOro January 24, 2020 7:55 AM  

You can't serve two masters. Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no. Among countless other verses in the Bible, with the same underlying theme.

Clear them out. They can't depended upon to chose our best interest in a moment of conflict, and those in our Congress manifestly do not on a regular basis.

Blogger DarwinIsAHarshMistress January 24, 2020 7:59 AM  

Music, heavenly music, to my ears. Putin may be a tsar but he is a Russian tsar and thinks of his people.

Our would-be tsars think only of "the economy" when not thinking only of themselves.

Nationalism, as charity, begins at home.

Blogger Unknown January 24, 2020 8:01 AM  

This has been law in Australian Federal Government for many years now. There was a a great purge of MPs in 2018 as a result. Dual citizens can still work for the State governments though, but hopefully that will change in the next decade.

In general this doesn't work to prevent the Chinese or Indian diasporas from being elected since those governments don't allow emigrants to retain their citizenship. So a combination of strategies is obviously required here

Blogger Balkan Yankee January 24, 2020 8:24 AM  

Amen.

Blogger David Ray Milton January 24, 2020 8:32 AM  

Hmmm. On one hand the move seems wise, but on the other, it’s definitely anti-Semitic.

Blogger Silly but True January 24, 2020 8:34 AM  

It wasn’t that many generations ago that America implicitly refused Presidents who claimed allegiance to other masters, effectively blocking at time a third of the population from serving as President.

But rather than any religious test, it should have been pedo or child sacrifice tests and then both Catholics and Jews would have been barred.

Blogger ZhukovG January 24, 2020 8:37 AM  

I think this, along with emphasis on combating poverty in the Russian Federation, signals that Putin believes the pseudo war with the US Empire is coming to a satisfactory close.

He now feels free to focus on internal issues facing the Russian Federation.

Putin is working to secure the existence of the Russian people and a future for Russian children.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 24, 2020 8:49 AM  

"Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship would disqualify a citizen from holding office or working for the national government."

That would give foreign governments all manner of opportunity to interfere in American politics by negation: all they'd have to do is declare the next MAGA/KAG candidate "eligible" for their citizenship and he's out.

The idea is good, but--as always--the devil will be in the details.

Possible rule: adult foreign residence in excess of three years would be disqualifying.

Overseas military service below the grade of Major/Lieutenant Commander would be the sole exception to this rule.

Ok, what are the weak spots in my proposed idea?

Blogger pdwalker January 24, 2020 8:52 AM  

good for them!

Blogger Randomatos January 24, 2020 8:53 AM  

"Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship would disqualify a citizen from holding office or working for the national government." - From your keyboard to God's ears!

Blogger Akulkis January 24, 2020 8:58 AM  

Holding office
Teaching
Lending money

Blogger matism January 24, 2020 9:02 AM  

The tribe will not tolerate that, Akulkis. And they own the Media.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 24, 2020 9:09 AM  

It's a start, still can be gamed as the Australian poster mentioned with their precious diversity of Asians. The only quibble I could come up with over that article is about the nationalism angle Orlov took, I'd say the human tendency to drive out the other is as natural as breathing.

Blogger Gettimothy January 24, 2020 9:14 AM  

Russia for the Russians. Love it

Blogger Unknown January 24, 2020 9:19 AM  

I’m just a little jealous. Great news for them.

Blogger Unknown January 24, 2020 9:22 AM  

Cassius Andronicus : Didn’t mean to publish as unknown.

Blogger Johnny January 24, 2020 9:32 AM  

"Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship..." Eligible would have to be defined, but that could be done. And given where we are, perhaps voting should be the right of mono-citizenship only. A privilege if granted to other groups.

Been reading a book recommended here called The Killing of Uncle Sam. Based on an argument that is factual in some cases and inference in others, the book makes a very compelling case that the whole globalism thing is a crock that did a lot of damage in the twentieth century. And it is self evidently still with us.

The part of foreign commerce that is the most damaging is commerce in debt. Having debt holders external to your own country gives outsiders a lot of control over the domestic economy. And those outsiders frequently have interests that are contrary to the local country.

Blogger Oswald January 24, 2020 9:59 AM  

I agree dual citizens should not hold any national office. I don't care what Nation they are also citizens of. This should be a hard rule. I don't think we need to get into eligibility. I think candidates in addition to their finances which they have to disclose should also disclose all travel they have had overseas for the last ten years prior to the election. I want to know if someone has traveled yearly to Russia or Israel.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 9:59 AM  

Part of the difficulty of the Chosen in Congress (or Presidency for that matter) is that for all the "dual citizen" talk, few are actual legal citizens, holding passports.

With the Right of Return they can always 'go back', although Israeli government can bar any Jew for security reasons. Once there in permanent resident status the granting of actual citizenship happens by default in 30 days, again barring complications. There IS a process for formally waiving that citizenship, but I think it is only relevant once one has actually Returned.

In theory you could make it a requirement that any elected official eligible for citizenship elsewhere must explicitly, formally waive it -- but there is no way to make that other country treat that waiver as a permanent thing. "Oops! I changed my mind." "Sure, come on in the water's fine!" Still might be worth it getting them on the record.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 10:02 AM  

@18 Oswald, see my @19
Most of them from what I can tell are not actual dual citizens. It is just that Right of Return eligibility creates the next best thing, letting them have their cake and eat it too.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 24, 2020 10:05 AM  

A law like that should be carved into the side of the Capitol.

Blogger cecilhenry January 24, 2020 10:08 AM  


Its telling that so many many Western countries have foreigners in the Cabinets of the executive office.

In Canada's example, Trudeau and deliberately and proudly pushed foreigners-especially non-Whites into major Cabinet positions. They got elected alone by the importation of ethnic voting blocks.

We have among others, an Afghan fraud refugee and a Somali refugee as immigration head.

The elites smile at this... and of course dare anyone else NOT to smile.

Aristotle knew this 2400 years ago:

"The guard of a legitimate king is composed of citizens: that of a tyrant is composed of foreigners.


It is also a habit of tyrants to prefer the company of aliens to that of citizens at table and in society; citizens, they feel,
are enemies, but aliens will offer no opposition."


https://imgur.com/LYSWBPy.jpg

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 10:27 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:Possible rule: adult foreign residence in excess of three years would be disqualifying.

Overseas military service below the grade of Major/Lieutenant Commander would be the sole exception to this rule.

Ok, what are the weak spots in my proposed idea?

We should not have enough military overseas that this ever becomes an issue, so no exceptions, period. We might make a rule that time at the front, during a declared war, doesn't count.
matism wrote:The tribe will not tolerate that, Akulkis. And they own the Media.
Apparently the Media doesn't own Russia.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 24, 2020 10:34 AM  

The number of Indians working in senior positions in State and Federal Government departments is alarming. The Chinese are also taking over Local Government in every Shire they infest - George's River Shire recently changed the "St. George" dragon logo they'd used for decades to one of a much more Chinese appearance.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 10:35 AM  

Newscaper312 wrote:Part of the difficulty of the Chosen in Congress (or Presidency for that matter) is that for all the "dual citizen" talk, few are actual legal citizens, holding passports.

With the Right of Return they can always 'go back', ...

This is why eligibility alone must be a disqualifier.
Ken Prescott wrote:That would give foreign governments all manner of opportunity to interfere in American politics by negation: all they'd have to do is declare the next MAGA/KAG candidate "eligible" for their citizenship and he's out.
Obvious ploy would be obvious.

If you want to write a rule, make an exemption for people whose eligibility is conferred by special act, rather than as a member of some class. Make the eligible one renounce all allegiance to the foreign power, anyway.
Unknown wrote:In general this doesn't work to prevent the Chinese or Indian diasporas from being elected since those governments don't allow emigrants to retain their citizenship. So a combination of strategies is obviously required here
I think you'll find that those governments happily allow their diaspora to return. Eligibility must be a disqualifier.

Blogger Oswald January 24, 2020 10:36 AM  

20. If it is that big of deal, the I agree, but go even further, they should renounce/waive their eligibility for citizenship of all other nations, known or unknown.

A related issue to this, because it goes to the heart of the matter, dual loyalties. Having Military bases all over the world, creates a potential for a conflict of loyalties. The Military has so many resources overseas they could theoretically survive the destruction of the homeland. This is bad for the homeland. I want the Military to have all of their eggs in our basket.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 24, 2020 10:36 AM  

VD wrote:The United States and other Western governments desperately need to enact a similar law. Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship would disqualify a citizen from holding office or working for the national government.
IIUC, the US did have laws & policies that stripped people of their citizenship if they voted in other country's elections, these were invalidated by the supreme court when they were applied to a naturalized Polish man who cast a vote in an Israeli election.

CarpeOro wrote:You can't serve two masters. Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no. Among countless other verses in the Bible, with the same underlying theme.

Clear them out. They can't depended upon to chose our best interest in a moment of conflict, and those in our Congress manifestly do not on a regular basis.

I think pursuing Treason cases with actual "hanged by the neck until dead" would go a long way toward solving that problem.

Silly but True wrote:It wasn’t that many generations ago that America implicitly refused Presidents who claimed allegiance to other masters, effectively blocking at time a third of the population from serving as President.
This is why there is so much hatred for the Natural Born Citizen clause — it is absolutely nationalistic and the globalists hate it, which is why a huge chunk of recent Presidential candidates have had possible issues with it: Obama (non-citizen father, possible birth in Kenya), Romney (non-citizen father at the time of his birth), McCain (born in Panama, IIRC), Cruz (non-citizen father, possibly non-citizen mother [she had voted in Canada's election], born in Canada).

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 10:37 AM  

If you have an escape hatch, even potentially, you don't have enough skin in the game. No public office for you!

Blogger Thomas Howard January 24, 2020 10:39 AM  

Isn't there US precedent for this already? Ted Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship when he was informed of it during the last presidential campaign. My recollection is there was strong media pressure surrounding this issue.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 10:56 AM  

@26 Oswald

re: "A related issue to this, because it goes to the heart of the matter, dual loyalties. Having Military bases all over the world, creates a potential for a conflict of loyalties."

FIW I have a nephew - my brothers stepson actually - a few years into a career at the US State Department. Recently got his Foreign Service Officer credential and his first posting will be in Taiwan for a couple years. Then he will rotate somewhere else, after a year or so back on US soil. Sort of seems wasteful given how much training he has has had, language and otherwise, for this location, but the foreign loyalty/corruption potential is exactly why.

But as we know, that has donr nothing to stop State as an organization form being hostile to the regular American people, as converged and/or Deep State as it is.

Blogger Lazarus January 24, 2020 11:02 AM  

Q 3778

[D] party leaders [‘Big 5’]:
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) – Speaker of the House
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) – Chair Intel
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) – Chair Judiciary
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) – Senate Minority Leader
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) – Ranking Mem Judiciary
Control over [CA] & [NY] vital to maintain [D] structural integrity?


80% dual citizen

Blogger Oswald January 24, 2020 11:09 AM  

31. I'm glad they are doing that, but I wasn't really speaking to the rank and file, this was more directed at the higher ups. I don't want them creating scenarios where they think they can sacrifice the homeland and continue to play on the world stage, perhaps even be more powerful then they are now, because there is no longer a homeland to answer too.

Blogger Drew January 24, 2020 11:10 AM  

I've seen a list of dual citizenship in congress, but could never confirm it. Hands down the West needs to implement it, however, I wouldn't be surprised if a bill like that took out a some "conservatives" too.

Blogger R Devere January 24, 2020 11:11 AM  

Aristotle knew this 2400 years ago:

"The guard of a legitimate king is composed of citizens: that of a tyrant is composed of foreigners.

It is also a habit of tyrants to prefer the company of aliens to that of citizens at table and in society; citizens, they feel,
are enemies, but aliens will offer no opposition."

GOD Bless the Northern European origins of the Ancient Greeks! No swarthy, in-bred Mediterranean-types were they! When they painted their classic marble statues, (as they almost always did!) the men and women and gods all featured blonde and brown hair, NOT MED-black!

Blogger VD January 24, 2020 11:13 AM  

Part of the difficulty of the Chosen in Congress (or Presidency for that matter) is that for all the "dual citizen" talk, few are actual legal citizens, holding passports. With the Right of Return they can always 'go back'

That's not difficult. If you happen to have a Right to Return anywhere, then you cannot hold office or be employed by the government.

Anything else is pure statism. Or, as some prefer to misleadingly call it, "civic nationalism" which is no more nationalism than "social justice" is justice.

Blogger Lightning Hands January 24, 2020 11:19 AM  

Slight OT, but Putin's nationalism has even manifested in hardware that must be installed with "software that is morally sound and espouses traditional Russian values, according to new draft rules.".
- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-internet-software/coming-soon-the-smartphone-that-promotes-russian-values-idUSKBN1ZN1XZ

Blogger Scuzzaman January 24, 2020 11:20 AM  

Less than 80% citizen

Blogger Ursa Delta January 24, 2020 11:21 AM  

I'm a dual citizen and agree. I don't know of any reason I should be able to hold public office.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 24, 2020 11:29 AM  

I read the Saker's article on this on Unz a few days ago. Putin really is the Russian GE clearing out Russia's nomenklatura and oligarchs.

Russians should be proud to have such a leader.

Blogger Gettimothy January 24, 2020 11:41 AM  

Pulling back to the 5000 ft view, 100 years ago Russia (a member of Christendom) was conquered by Jewish revolutionaries.

Two generations later, the process of expelling them has begun.

Blogger patlalrique January 24, 2020 11:46 AM  

Dual-citizenship of any kind is wrong. Hahaha, there is no such thing as ''dual-citizen''. You are whether a citizen of a nation or of another nation, that is all.

A passport is a passport, period. It doesn't make one a national. If I go live in China, it won't make me a chinese but a French-Canadian living in China, whom presence would trigger the following reaction from Chinese: ''what the hell he is doing here? Probably teaching a X language as a second language''.

The line in between ''dual citizens'' and ''traitors'' is quite blurry, to say the least. Heck, if found, there is NO line.

First step to rebuilding Canada: outlaw dual citizenship. No more messing around lying and duping law abiding citizens. Can't have your cake and eat it. You don't like it? The airport is just that way.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 24, 2020 11:51 AM  

Or, ever be able to vote.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 11:52 AM  

Lightning Hands wrote:Slight OT, but Putin's nationalism has even manifested in hardware that must be installed with "software that is morally sound and espouses traditional Russian values, according to new draft rules.".
I think I want one.

I'm sure traditional Russian values are more compatible with traditional American values than the globohomo garbage values pushed by Android or iPhone.

Blogger Robert What? January 24, 2020 12:17 PM  

Maybe Russia recognizes that holders of (((dual citizenship))) have dual lotalties. And Russia is not their first loyalty.

Blogger Balam January 24, 2020 12:20 PM  

One could almost run policy based solely on what would enrage globalists the most and end up with a better nation than with any system they teach you in school. I approve of Vox's idea of three generations of nativity before you can even be eligible for office.

Blogger Nathan Hornok January 24, 2020 12:21 PM  

It's just common sense that this law is needed to avoid foreign corruption/influence, it's a wonder it's not already written into the constitution of every country in the world.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 24, 2020 12:25 PM  

To ban dual citizenship in the USA means getting past the split-loyalty representatives in Washington.
Meaning,we can't have nice things. Not under this system.

Blogger Akulkis January 24, 2020 12:28 PM  

@36

"Slight OT, but Putin's nationalism has even manifested in hardware that must be installed with `software that is morally sound and espouses traditional Russian values, according to new draft rules.'"

So, that means the Russians, who use Linux heavily, will be creating a Coraline Ada Ehmke*-free fork, and any Code of Conduct, if there IS one, will come directly from the Russian Orthodox Church.


* power word: Corie Dale (satanist priest)

Blogger Theoden January 24, 2020 12:29 PM  

"Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship would disqualify a citizen from holding office or working for the national government."

Countries which permit dual citizenship

Australia
Barbados
Belgium
Bangladesh
Canada
Czech Republic
Cyprus
Denmark
United States
United Kingdom
Switzerland
South Korea
South Africa
Egypt
Greece
France
Finland
Germany
Iraq
Italy
Israel
Ireland
Poland
Hungary
Iceland
Kenya
Sweden
Slovenia
Syria
Serbia
Armenia
Thailand
Lebanon
Malta
Spain
Tonga
Philippines
Sierra Leone
Sri Lanka
Pakistan
Portugal
Turkey

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 12:35 PM  

@31 @33
The alt-retards muddy the waters some by claiming all Jews in govt are 'dual citizens' when in fact most actually are not, not 2nd passport holders. See my @19 I looked into how it actually works.
Still a potential problem of course.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 12:49 PM  

OT - Anybody else in southwest Alabama or southeast Mississippi hear a loud boom and/or experience what felt like a short earthquake an hour or so ago around 10:30-10:45 Central?
I'm in Mobile, inside on 2nd floor at work. Did not hear anything but got the sharp jolt. People near Biloxi reported it too, 70-80 miles away from here.
Supposedly nothing like a plant explosion has occurred.
This weekend an annual military exercise called Southern Strike starts so maybe related to that. Only MOAB testing I know of was done much farther away, other direction, at Eglin AFB.
Other thought was something going boom at Stennis where they test the big NASA rockets.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon January 24, 2020 1:03 PM  

@14 "Russia for the Russians. Love it"

Sort of. Russia is still a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic state that runs from Europe into far Asia. Government policy isn't centered around ethnic Russian people, but rather it concerns itself with crafting an identity for the entire country. That's why you have pretty strict enforcement of hate speech laws in Russia for speech that causes division among the existing ethnic groups. They had a recent conference on Russian identity in which a variety of groups were present, including the rootless cosmopolitans.

Russia takes the dual citizenship thing pretty seriously, and that is wise. Like China, they also don't screw around with permanent residency. China will boot you out for any criminal offense, even if you are married to a Chinese citizen. Russia will boot you out for three administrative infractions. Cause a problem there, you are gone. No welfare either, which is wise.

My wife is Russian and at some point we intend to move over there, so I'm looking very closely at the rules for permanent residency. Reporting all transactions on foreign bank accounts, staying in the country a minimum amount of time per year, etc.

Blogger Noah B. January 24, 2020 1:11 PM  

Good steps, although it's difficult to imagine why anyone not born to two native citizen parents should ever be eligible to hold a position of power in government.

Blogger Boaty Bear January 24, 2020 1:15 PM  

"Inessa S"
Has been posting Putin material, speeches, meetings etc, subtitled, for years.

My favourite is the meeting with Academics from Higher ed where he told them, if you don't like our traditions? You know where the door is.

Legend.

Blogger Kiwi January 24, 2020 1:16 PM  

I agree with this move. The strategy can also be scaled right down to school boards and charitable trusts. I see so many of these fall apart due to weak constitutions that allow "new" people to take over. The time aspect is important too, trust doesn't happen over night.

Blogger weka January 24, 2020 1:25 PM  

But Victoria's Somali gangs or tame Muslims. It will end well.

Blogger Theaitetos January 24, 2020 1:50 PM  

> Overseas military service below the grade of Major/Lieutenant Commander would be the sole exception to this rule.
> Ok, what are the weak spots in my proposed idea?

Military families? Foreign nations on American soil (NYC, Martha's Vineyard, Broward County, …)?

While I'm generally in favor of such restrictions, I also see the potential for abuse by foreign states, because citizenship (& eligibility) is not something an individual controls: "We discovered your grandfather was eligible for Jamaican citizenship, so now you are too!" → then you lose all public office? Citizenship is controlled by governments, as an example: What should the GE do if Netanyahu gave him honorary Israeli citizenship?

Blogger Boaty Bear January 24, 2020 1:54 PM  


https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_British_Jewish_politicians

we have a problem!


Blogger Boaty Bear January 24, 2020 1:58 PM  

Something else Islam has right.

Blogger tublecane January 24, 2020 1:59 PM  

I recommend the Ancient Athenian model, whereby participation in government, including voting, was limited to adult male children of two citizen parents who had completed military training (we could use some other qualification, like property ownership or having demonstrated value to the u community or whatever) and were in good standing debt-wise and otherwise. These privileges could be suspended or altogether cancelled for bad behavior. And if you're bad enough, you get exiled.

They had large grants of citizenship occasionally, being an expanding empire. But nevermind that. I'm leaning towards no new citizens even for someone who literally saves all our lives.

Blogger DiogenesCynic January 24, 2020 2:03 PM  

Control of businesses, media, education, or organizations which attempt to influence culture should also be prohibited on pain of death. Assistance by citizens in helping the chosen to evade such laws should be treason. Lobbying and bribery and use of sabbath goy front men should carry a death penalty. Shilling for Israel or lefty causes should result in death by torture. Acquisition of more than average wealth or social status should be investigated and if not caused by pro-white activity, should result in execution. Those that still won't leave should be 'Returned' to Israel from an airforce bomb-bay. Any complaints from Israel should cause it to be nuked into oblivion and any remaining sympathizers (outside Russia and China of course) in the rest of the world should be hunted down.

Blogger Akulkis January 24, 2020 2:14 PM  

@50

"The alt-retards muddy the waters some by claiming all Jews in govt are 'dual citizens' when in fact most actually are not, not 2nd passport holders. "

What matters is not what is de jure, but what is de facto.

Whether Schumer, Nadler, Schiff, Vindman, Yovanovitch, half of the admissions staff throughout the Ivy League, and an overwhelming percentage of lawyers, judges, and legislators hold Isreali passports is immaterial, as they could all get such passports within a matter of hours if they felt a need to do so.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 2:33 PM  

@62 It certainly does matter if you are going to write a law or Constitutional amendment banning "dual citizenship" per se -- if you're not careful it WON'T cover them. The actual details do matter.
They could presumably get entry visa for Return pretty quickly. Way the Israeli law currently works, they have to already be over there 30 days minimum before the other shoe can drop for legal citizenship and passport.

In no way am I saying that this escape hatch is not a problem, but to do something about it is more complicated than the soundbites suggest.

Blogger Raker_T January 24, 2020 2:36 PM  

@51 Ever been near a sonic boom? They had those when I was a kid. Comes from above, not across, it's -really- loud, like nothing else. I was about 12 miles from the Antelope CA. explosions, ordinance exploding in a RR fire, in a switching yard. Big bangs, but not the same. The ordinance was more of a fw-boom, rolling thunderous sound, the sonic boom is a sudden cracking K-Bang!. Plus, we could see the orange explosion going up before the sound made it to us.
Strange day. National Guard troops posted at the entrance to our subdivision, with rumors of evacuation orders, which didn't come until the afternoon. Before that it was a weird waiting situation. My next door neighbor and I sneaked out on some trails that kids know, and went to the hobby store.
The over the top weird part was my dad. Average guy, I suppose, the stuff he could tell us anyway. Retired USAF, security clearance, some things were hush. Anyway, this bombs business started at 6:30 in the morning, maybe 7, he was sleeping in bed. We went and woke him up, asking what it was. He opened his eyes, listened for a second, and said "Ordinance exploding". Laid back down and closed his eyes. Me, being 12 years old wondered if we were being invaded or what, but he wasn't too concerned. The start of a weird day.

Blogger Akulkis January 24, 2020 2:54 PM  

Speaking of dual-citizens in public office:


Schumer had one job this week: to convince a handful of Rs to join his call for more testimony. He's done the opposite.
--https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1220519043766996992


Mr. Schumer nonetheless had an opportunity to do what Democrats keep pretending to do: Take the proceedings seriously. Had he reached out to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to work on an agreement—had he privately spoken of the need for the Senate to come together and publicly refrained from partisan jabs—he’d have had an audience. Republican senators—in particular those up for re-election or retiring—don’t want to be accused of bias. As of last weekend, enough GOP senators to matter were still on the fence about Democratic demands for more witnesses.

Not so much anymore. Mr. Schumer managed to annoy them, in particular with his first-day stunt of keeping the chamber in session until nearly 2 a.m., forcing vote after vote on witness motions that he knew would fail. Mr. McConnell’s organizing resolution already provided for these votes later in the process, making the Schumer motionathon nothing more than an inconvenient stunt.

He managed to offend Republicans too, by claiming they’ve already failed to “rise to their constitutional mandate,” are complicit in a “coverup” and don’t “want a fair trial.” He’s derided the president’s legal team and excoriated Republican witness proposals. He insulted his colleagues’ intelligence by arguing both that they need more evidence and that the case against Mr. Trump is already cut and dry. Reps. Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler haven’t helped, with their presumptuous lectures on the senators’ obligations and duties.

Mostly, Mr. Schumer’s partisan accusations and threats have further exposed for Republicans his real goal with this trial: becoming Senate majority leader. Mr. Schumer knows the trial will end with acquittal. His nonstop attacks on Republican integrity are designed to squeeze vulnerable senators and help his party pick up seats in states like Maine or Colorado. Yet the senators from those states aren’t stupid; they see him hijacking a serious event for naked politicking, and they resent it.

“I don’t think Chuck Schumer is very interested in my opinion,” Sen. Susan Collins told reporters earlier this month. “I don’t think he’s really very interested in doing anything but trying to defeat me by telling lies to the people of Maine. And you can quote me on that.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/schumer-whiffs-impeachment-11579824789

So, he's alienated Collins. Here's hoping he has alienated Murkowski, too.

Romney, of course, will do whatever Schumer tells him to do (even if that means voting with the Republicans to maintain his cover if the vote isn't close enough to make a difference.)

Blogger weka January 24, 2020 3:08 PM  

And if you have a right to dual citizenship you can not get benefits. Education, health, unemployment, if you need those you have to go back.

In short, Australian rules for NZ citizens.

Anonymous Anonymous January 24, 2020 3:10 PM  

I suppose my primary reluctance in swallowing RT and other media wings' expanded influence and gestures to Western right-wing elements is exactly this. While such laws are wise, I am frankly shocked that they are only being proposed now. It's hard to take gestures seriously when the urban strongholds in the extreme west of Russia hold all the power and when those urban strongholds among the educated classes are primarily secularist, atheist (it being only a little time ago when atheism was more or less the state religion), Franco/Germano-oriented, globalist and liberal. Unless they start going out of their way to improving education or scholarship for other geographic areas in Russia, the majority of the financial sector, gas sector, education sector, and national security and other mid-level government hirees will be from those elite liberal classes and thus will likely hold the stereotypical European globalist, secularist liberal attitudes. Not to say that your Tsargrad TV viewers and military vets aren't sincere in their gestures, but in so long as they are used mostly as a prop by Moscow to even out power dynamics and keep the inner city elite from getting too puffed up, it's hard to see Russia as anything but yet another country with the exact same problems that the rest of the Western world has. Also, I'm curious how positive of an impact this new law would have on Russia, though, as my impression (and I may be totally off base) was that your eastern, more Tatar-esque Russians or those coming from former SSRs tend to be more loyal and more gung-ho about Russian culture and values than say your spoiled suburbanite elite who is ethnically Rus but highly cosmopolitan, incapable of not talking about their study abroad in [France, Germany, UK, or US], sadly wagging their head over LGBTQ issues, and voting for Ksenia Sobchak unironically. Get back to me when the country is run by Shoigu or Gerasimov or Strelkov, and I'll perhaps reconsider the gestures as more sincere; Putin is the more reasonable candidate, naturally, as he balances these things out, but frankly if balance is all it is, it cannot be relied upon for more than surface-level gestures or low-level aid to stir up destabilization with no impactful follow through. Of course, I could be wrong, but I suppose my attitude remains at "wait-and-see" for now.

Blogger weka January 24, 2020 3:11 PM  

Veterans over 35 who are freeborn children of citizens sounds about right.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 3:19 PM  

Theaitetos wrote:"We discovered your grandfather was eligible for Jamaican citizenship, so now you are too!" → then you lose all public office?
Sounds reasonable. If you are from a family of recent immigrants, why should we let you have any position of power or influence in our nation?
Theaitetos wrote:Citizenship is controlled by governments, as an example: What should the GE do if Netanyahu gave him honorary Israeli citizenship?
If a person of our nation is gifted citizenship as a special act, a one-off thing like this, that's very different than being in a class of people who are eligible for citizenship. E.g., anyone with an Irish grandfather is eligible for an Irish passport. That should make you ineligible for public office here. If Ireland singles you out to make you a citizen because you are a really cool dude, that's a little different. You should still be required to renounce all allegiance to Ireland to continue to vote or hold office here.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 3:22 PM  

tublecane wrote:I'm leaning towards no new citizens even for someone who literally saves all our lives.
Agreed. Greatly reward those who help us greatly, but don't bring them here, don't give them citizenship, don't pretend they are us when they are definitely NOT us.

Once we end our empire, we won't have many cases of foreigners doing great deeds for us, anyway.

Blogger QW January 24, 2020 3:24 PM  

Norway is working towards allowing under the excuse that it will be easier to take away their Norwegian citizenship and expell them from the country.

The logical thing would of course be to just not give out Norwegian citizenships in the first place.....

Blogger tublecane January 24, 2020 3:32 PM  

@50- Does that muddy the waters, really? Or are you just talking about not wanting to be on the same side of an issue?

I mean, we all know what they're getting at. Because of Israeli policies a certain group is always has the potential to go dual. That's a fact not to be ignored.

On the flipside, this of course invites accusations of antisemitism anytime dual citizenship comes up. However, antisemitism accusations are like water. You can get them anywhere.

If we were to stipulate only people physically born in Israel and eligible for Israeli citizenship were disallowed from participating in U.S. politics, we'd still hear about antisemitism.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 24, 2020 3:39 PM  

Not letting your nation be subverted by dual loyalties is important. Russia is working in reality, and western governments are working in Enlightenment Liberal and Marxist myths. Seeing that both sides of most political fights are Enlightenment constructs and not reflections of true reality makes following politics like watching a bad stage play.

Blogger CarpeOro January 24, 2020 3:46 PM  

Anyone with a "right of return" to another nation that is against measures to secure the nation they are in, but supports the same measures in the one they can bug out to (building a wall for example) makes it clear where they stand. Whether they have a passport or anything else stating it.

Blogger Paul M January 24, 2020 3:48 PM  

> Ideally, even being eligible for dual-citizenship would disqualify a citizen from holding office

This would grant any foreign power the ability to immediately eject any official from their office. Just offer them citizenship.

Blogger VD January 24, 2020 3:56 PM  

This would grant any foreign power the ability to immediately eject any official from their office. Just offer them citizenship.

Don't be a Smart Boy. That's a retarded objection and very easily avoided. Being eligible for dual-citizenship FROM BIRTH would disqualify a citizen from holding office

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 4:07 PM  

@72 Nah.
I guess my issue boils down to the need to be precise when it is time to switch from rhetoric for raising awareness, to dialectic for actually get to policy. And when that time comes, does sloppiness in the initial rhetoric hurt your case later?

Blogger Kat January 24, 2020 4:52 PM  

Newscaper312 wrote:OT - Anybody else in southwest Alabama or southeast Mississippi hear a loud boom and/or experience what felt like a short earthquake an hour or so ago around 10:30-10:45 Central?

I'm in Mobile, inside on 2nd floor at work. Did not hear anything but got the sharp jolt. People near Biloxi reported it too, 70-80 miles away from here.

Supposedly nothing like a plant explosion has occurred.

This weekend an annual military exercise called Southern Strike starts so maybe related to that. Only MOAB testing I know of was done much farther away, other direction, at Eglin AFB.

Other thought was something going boom at Stennis where they test the big NASA rockets.


James Spann might have something on it. He often posts about the "Bama Booms" and has linked to a boom tracker.

Blogger Akulkis January 24, 2020 5:19 PM  

@67

"I am frankly shocked that they are only being proposed now. It's hard to take gestures seriously when the urban strongholds in the extreme west of Russia hold all the power and when those urban strongholds among the educated classes are primarily secularist, atheist (it being only a little time ago when atheism was more or less the state religion), Franco/Germano-oriented, globalist and liberal."

The (((State Religion))) of the Soviet Union was Judaism, with extreme repression of the Russian Orthodox and other Christian churches (to the point of mass murdering every Christian priest in Rostov, the last hold-out city in the Russian Civil War).

Have you even BEEN to Russia?

I was in Sankt Peterburg a few times in the late 1990s. At that time, the Russians had already named the era "The Crisis." Real unemployment (equivalent to our U-6, not our phony-baloney U-2 which doesn't count people for being "unemployed too long" even in the midst of an economic depression.) was over 30%.

The churches... ALL of them, were being restored back to functioning places of worship, and at a time when the economy was terrible, and inflation was out of control (prices in rubles went up by a factor of 14,000x between 1990 and 2000. Imagine having enough money saved away to buy a car...and then, once cars are available, that same pile of cash is can barely buy a loaf of bread.).

The money spent on restoration for those churches materials could well have been shifted to other concerns, such as increasing food and clothing production.

If you think Russia, even the western cities, are atheist, then you're badly misinformed.
To underscore that point: culturally, Sankt Peterburg is hands-down the most "Western" city in Russia, exactly as Peter the Great intended it to be when he conquered the Swedish fort there, and platted the city himself in 1703 (which, despite 70 years of Communist BS, is still a more modern city than Paris; EVERY street and thoroughfare, even the oldest ones, can handle 2 lanes of vehicles in each direction. And I know this as I personally walked all over the oldest parts of the city.

Blogger Rick T January 24, 2020 5:44 PM  

Sounds like the Russians read Article 32 of the Mexican Constitution:

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Mexico_2015.pdf?lang=en

Blogger Argus Bacchus January 24, 2020 5:57 PM  

Confucius say, "Chinaman with American citizenship still Chinaman".

Blogger Newscaper312 January 24, 2020 6:17 PM  

Didn't see anything on his website or FB. Thanks for the tip.

Blogger Theaitetos January 24, 2020 6:18 PM  

> Sounds reasonable. If you are from a family of recent immigrants, why should we let you have any position of power or influence in our nation?

I wasn't talking about immigrants. I'm talking about the Jamaican government holding the power to give out Jamaican citizenship eligibility like candy: Your grandpa ever smoked pot? Great, now he and all his descendants are eligible for Jamaican citizenship. Your grandma liked croissants? Now she and all her descendants are eligible for French citizenship.

It's foreign governments who define these classes, not you or your own government. Australia had its prime minister and a dozen senators resign after they were notified they held dual citizenship (with the UK, New Zealand, …) and were ineligible for their offices. Almost all of them were unaware of their eligibility of dual citizenship.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-04/citizenship-register:-every-citizenship-by-australias-senators/9223264

Granted, Australia's case is somewhat special, as Australian citizenship didn't exist until 1949 – everyone was a British subject – and the new citizenship laws of former British crown possessions (especially New Zealand) interfered with one another, but it's still worth keeping in mind; the Australia situation is also interesting for any future secessions. And in the end the law didn't seem to provide a big obstacle against subversion in Australia, it seems. Every little bit helps, but right now I'm glad there was no law preventing Donald Trump from ascending to the US presidency.

Maybe do it similar to nobility titles in the US and allow Congress (State Legislatures, …) to grant exceptions to any dual citizenship bans?

Blogger Balam January 24, 2020 6:26 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Sounds reasonable. If you are from a family of recent immigrants, why should we let you have any position of power or influence in our nation?

To riff off of you, how many eligible men of character do we really lose even if all the men Theatitos describes lose the power to hold office? Is the native US somehow deficient in men of courage to hold positions of power, so desperately lacking that they need to furiously import them to please please please be in charge of us? A (((certain group))) has been working very hard to make that very argument, but I don't see the numbers validating it.

Blogger Avalanche January 24, 2020 7:10 PM  

@20 "Return eligibility creates the next best thing, letting them have their cake and eat it too."

They always always always have a bolthole, if their perfidy gets them in too much trouble in the countries they are busy damaging. And Israel will NOT "return" even pedos and thieves!

Blogger weka January 24, 2020 7:14 PM  

And forked kernel be better than the mainstream one.

Blogger Iron Spartan January 24, 2020 7:29 PM  

Great news. i have been lobbying for something similar.

Blogger Akulkis January 24, 2020 8:17 PM  

"They always always always have a bolthole, if their perfidy gets them in too much trouble in the countries they are busy damaging. And Israel will NOT "return" even pedos and thieves!"

You would think so, Avalanche, but you would be wrong.

Israel has even accepted the "return" of men who were convicted of molesting not merely toddler girls, but even Jewish toddler girls.

There's a man in Israel fighting essentially a one-man crusade about this. And Israel's government doesn't, shall we say, "import" a returnee's criminal record with him, nor whether he is on any Sex Crimes list.

Blogger Silly but True January 24, 2020 8:46 PM  

I suppose the new thing I learned today was from this discussion: the long history of MS booms.

So was today Projects Salmon or Sterling Pt. 2?

Blogger Ziggy Brown January 24, 2020 8:48 PM  

Right off the bat, The U.S. would be determining the eligibility requirements. Not foreign countries making a one-off politically motivated exception to their own rules.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 24, 2020 9:06 PM  

Theaitetos wrote:Maybe do it similar to nobility titles in the US and allow Congress (State Legislatures, …) to grant exceptions to any dual citizenship bans?
As you point out, any country can already declare any American to be a Knight of the Realm or so, and cause trouble. Somehow, we manage.

Blogger MidnightSun January 24, 2020 9:17 PM  

@6 There are deviates in every organization no need for your snide statement lumping all Catholics into a pedo child sacrificing cult! And where are the moderators. I thought this kind of speech was not allowed on the blog.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 24, 2020 9:55 PM  

MidnightSun wrote:And where are the moderators. I thought this kind of speech was not allowed on the blog.
Right here.
I don't do tone, so you can fuck right off.
Normally that would not pass muster, as denominational sniping but 1) fuck you and 2) get a life.
Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter

Blogger Markku January 24, 2020 10:06 PM  

I was dragged from my comfortable bed in a comfortable European time zone to have to tell you, fuck you.

Blogger Johnny January 24, 2020 10:44 PM  

The usual reason for not letting Catholics in, at least the one people gave, was that they were beholden to the Pope. Plus when the country was founded, religious wars were not all that far in the past. Plenty of tension among Protestant sects, let along getting Catholics into the mix.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 24, 2020 11:18 PM  

As someone who has dual citizenship I have maintained for years that dual citizenship should preclude people from voting, or holding public office. A better way of dealing with this would be a change in passport to lifetime VISA. This should be on a country by country, and possibly individual, basis.

To begin with, non citizens without a visa must be deported.

Secondly, refugees should be repatriated.

Thirdly, options of repatriation with access to welfare payment might be possible for some Citizens who with to volentarily emigrate.

As an example, suppose your ancestors were Irish slaves sold to the English pre-USA. If you're on welfare, and you want to keep garnishing welfare, you should be allowed to emigrate to the land of your ancestors, in this case, Ireland. If not, then another option would be temporarily being sterilized while retaining welfare payments.

Lastly, only net positive taxpayers should be allowed to vote. And that would be in a more limited federal government.

Anyway, these are some ideas I think could be worth considering.

Blogger Lazarus January 25, 2020 12:05 AM  

Lastly, only net positive taxpayers should be allowed to vote.

Interesting concept.

me likie

Blogger TheGhostlyOne January 25, 2020 12:59 AM  

There was no need to cuss that commenter. He didn’t say anything against any rules. He just pointed out a post was against the rules.

Then the second pile on is just childish.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 25, 2020 1:05 AM  

TheGhostlyOne wrote:There was no need to cuss that commenter. He didn’t say anything against any rules. He just pointed out a post was against the rules.

Then the second pile on is just childish.

Where the hell did the Tone Police come from? White Knighting is bad enough, White Knighting for a gamma is worse.
You don't like the Tone, go back to Free Republic, Boomer.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 25, 2020 1:08 AM  

BTW, mods are not your personal Army. We're Vox's personal Army.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid January 25, 2020 3:22 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Lastly, only net positive taxpayers should be allowed to vote.

Interesting concept.

me likie


Requirement for voting in any country should be net positive taxpaying male that has no possible dual allegiances. Having a say in how a country ought to be run isn't a right, it's a responsibility. If you can't even take care of yourself or swear loyalty, then what good are you for such a responsibility? None. Absolutely none. If you need handouts, you have my sincere pity, but don't come telling me how things ought to be done. And if you pretend to serve more than one master, do the world a favor and hang yourself like judas.

Blogger Bert Head January 25, 2020 4:08 AM  

I logged back on to the comments to see what had happened to the annoying Secret Czar from earlier. Nowhere to be seen. Keep up the good work.

Blogger TheGhostlyOne January 25, 2020 4:27 AM  

Alright. You run it how you think best.


Blogger Rabid Ratel January 25, 2020 5:37 AM  

weka wrote:And forked kernel be better than the mainstream one.

In Russia, kernel forks You!

Blogger Miguel January 25, 2020 5:48 AM  

But Vox,isnt this like the Holocaust all over again?!!!!

Blogger VD January 25, 2020 5:55 AM  

There was no need to cuss that commenter. He didn’t say anything against any rules. He just pointed out a post was against the rules.

You're wrong. The No-Gamma rule takes priority. The mods were making it clear to the commenter that his behavior is not wanted here. Neither is yours.

Go spin your bowtie somewhere else.

Blogger diesel bear January 25, 2020 6:48 AM  

I have been thinking no one who isn't at the very least a second generation immigrant should hold office. Am i taking it to far?

Blogger TheGhostlyOne January 25, 2020 6:50 AM  

Looks like I misinterpreted things. My bad. I didn’t see the gammatude at all for some reason. Bad perception on my part. I interpreted it as, “yeah we’re not sectarian, but fuck Catholics.”
Me being stupid, more than willfully difficult.

I say all that to show I have no bowtie. I’ve been a fan of this blog for many years. I used to post as Wynn Lloyd, until I lost that.
I won’t interfere with the mods again, and apologize to them as well. I’ll be heading back to the silent reader area.






Blogger VD January 25, 2020 7:27 AM  

“yeah we’re not sectarian, but fuck Catholics.”

Catholicism is not irrelevant to the subject of dual-loyalties. As a general rule, if you're emotionally engaged, don't comment.

Blogger VD January 25, 2020 7:27 AM  

You run it how you think best.

That's what I've done since 2003. It works fine.

Blogger Avalanche January 25, 2020 7:50 AM  

@88 " And Israel will NOT "return" even pedos and thieves!"
You would think so, Avalanche, but you would be wrong."

I wasn't clear -- I meant "return" TO US for trial, conviction and punishment! Or, for already sentenced punishment, since many have them have already HAD trial and conviction!

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 25, 2020 7:59 AM  

Re: Having a say in how a country ought to be run isn't a right, it's a responsibility. If you can't even take care of yourself or swear loyalty, then what good are you for such a responsibility? None. Absolutely none.

That seems easy enough. Non-citizens don't pay income tax. Therefore they don't vote. Their wages could be garnished, and repatriated to them once they depart. Perhaps local taxes (like schools, roads, sewage, etc...) could be different.

I'm sure there are ways to make it work.

And, outside of perhaps maybe some populations, I don't think most people are naturally subversive. It's more an inevitability where any large ethnicity conglomerates.

It's probably genetic.

The very very first, and easiest, step is to demand that only citizens vote.

The next step is to demand only citizens that are literate vote (I've read this alone will eliminate most Democrats from gaining office)

Next is to make English the official language. Then make this a voting requirement. From here European Americans will have total control over their government again.

At this point it will be easy to vote to ensure only net positive income tax payers can vote.

The steps seem pretty small and easy to me. The main problem is the media. And they're dying.

The military will probably be required as the latter steps are enforced.

Blogger TheGhostlyOne January 25, 2020 8:22 AM  

“Catholicism is not irrelevant to the subject of dual-loyalties. As a general rule, if you're emotionally engaged, don't comment.”

Yeah, I was out of line. Even I myself was pointing out how mainstream Catholics were often traitors, responsible for much of the mess.

Ted Kennedy being the biggest traitor of all.

Anyway, I again apologize, and will not interfere in the future.

Blogger Ranger January 25, 2020 9:02 AM  

I'm a former Catholic, now Orthodox catechumen, so I don't think I'm emotionally invested, but this is nonsense.
Just look at the catholic democrats and you see how catholic politicians can wholly ignore what the Roman Church teaches. Whomever they are loyal to, it's definitely not to the Roman Church.
Also, if being catholic makes your loyalties suspicious, shouldn't that apply to Episcopalians, subjects to the Queen of England?
Even when you look at the original colonists, wasn't Maryland a refuge for English catholics?

Blogger Ranger January 25, 2020 9:09 AM  

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Blogger Ranger January 25, 2020 9:25 AM  

Just checked and noticed I was wrong about the Episcopalian Church. Serves me right for talking about denominations of which I know about very little.
But my point about Marylanders, and the total freedom roma catholic politicians have from Rome stands

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 25, 2020 3:59 PM  

TheGhostlyOne wrote:I interpreted it as, “yeah we’re not sectarian, but fuck Catholics.”
As it happens, I am myself Catholic.
But I'm a big boy and I can take some anonymous internet yahoo insulting me.

Crying for mommy to make the bad man go away really doesn't fly here.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 25, 2020 6:17 PM  

That's easy. Just end immigration and send em' all back. Anyone claiming there are no easy answers is just a stupid asshat. Things are far more simpler than that.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 25, 2020 6:18 PM  

And that is how you know it's good. Because Jewish dual citizens always pick diaspora and Israel over their host nationslik the disgusting parasites that they are.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 25, 2020 6:22 PM  

Stop being a gamma male good boy. America would be the one determining legitimacy. So anyone who has a chance of being eligible of being a dual citizen should be disqualified and foreign nations cannot do anything without publicly interfering with a sovereign nation.

Word of advice, but don't ever take your cues from the likes of Nick Land or Curt Doolittle.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 25, 2020 6:23 PM  

Nobody cares about what the tribe thinks and the Media is dying. Hallelujah.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 25, 2020 6:24 PM  

Somali's need the final peace.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 25, 2020 6:30 PM  

Not strong enough or wide enough to cause a institution wide correction of the government.

Blogger MNW January 26, 2020 11:04 AM  

I gree the dual citizens should not be allowed to hold any state or federal offices if any kind. Politicians and buerocrats are institutionally insulated from the poor choices they make for the masses - dual citizens even more so.

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities" TR

Damn it if he wasnt 100% correct, though I doubt he could have imagined the gender BS adding another layer of madness.

Blogger MNW January 26, 2020 11:08 AM  

A great many were worried about Catholics and the Kennedys have not proved those worries false.

Furthermore: if the Catholic church wasnt both broken and subversive Nancy Pelosi and her baby killing ilk would have been excommunicated long ago.

That being said, they are far mor compatible than nearly any other religious group.

Blogger Clay January 27, 2020 8:05 AM  

TheGhostlyOne wrote:
I interpreted it as, “yeah we’re not sectarian, but fuck Catholics.”

As it happens, I am myself Catholic.
But I'm a big boy and I can take some anonymous internet yahoo insulting me.

Crying for mommy to make the bad man go away really doesn't fly here.

I wondered how you jumped on my mistake of incorrectly using the word "Homily" a few weeks ago. Like you said then, it's been a long time. For me, anyway.

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