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Tuesday, January 14, 2020

The Catholic convergence

It was fascinating to read how Teilhard de Chardin, whose heretical pseudo-theology was built around his concept of convergence, actively practiced a very different concept I used precisely the same word to describe:
Teilhard de Chardin manifested both sides of the Modernist. On the one hand, he wanted to “aggiornamentize” or update Christian doctrine until, ceasing to be what it had been historically, it essentially turned into modern thought. His preferred medium for the transition was evolutionary scientism. He believed not only that the evolution of species had already been adequately demonstrated, but also that evolution is the paradigm for grasping the whole of reality, including its spiritual aspects. He argued that matter evolves into spirit and that spirit will evolve into the cosmic Christ. The general framework is a Hegelian progressivism in which, in spite of momentary setbacks and conflicts, the whole universe, with mankind at its crest, is gradually improving, rising, and achieving spiritualization.

As a result, Teilhard rejected the doctrine of the creation and fall of Adam and Eve and, more pointedly for the Holy Office, the doctrine of original sin, which he called “an absurdity.” For Teilhard, the first men (there were many of them) were prehistoric primates of weak intelligence, and the “fall” simply describes the alienation from God of insufficiently spiritualized beings. Thus, there is no place whatsoever for the doctrine of a sin attaching to human nature by way of natural generation from Adam – in spite of the fact that this was taught as a de fide dogma by the Council of Trent.

Teilhard’s views on polygenism and original sin were among those condemned in Pius XII’s encyclical Humani Generis of 1950. Yet Teilhard’s reaction, while apparently submissive in the public forum, was fiercely contemptuous in private. He characterized Humani Generis in the following words: “A good psychoanalyst would see in it the clear traces of a specific religious perversion – the masochism and sadism of orthodoxy; the pleasure of swallowing, and making others swallow, the truth under its crudest and stupidest forms”.

On the other hand – and this is a crucial point for understanding the general ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves today – Teilhard, like many Modernists before and after him, refused to leave the Catholic Church, no matter how “badly” he felt he was treated by it. For him, the goal was to ride out the waves as long as possible, to influence and infiltrate, to make disciples, plant seeds, and publish (or, in his case, arrange for posthumous publications, since for the final period of his life, he was under strictures). He really believed he had the mission of changing the Church from within. Although he no longer professed the Catholic Faith – he once said to Dietrich von Hildebrand that St. Augustine “had spoiled everything by introducing the supernatural” (!) – the idea of being an ex-Catholic, sitting on the outside of the institution, held no appeal for him. It was as if he thought that only the Catholic Church provided the infrastructure necessary for the transmission of a synthetic, worldwide philosophy.

Thus, in a letter dated January 26, 1936, he wrote:

What increasingly dominates my interest is the effort to establish within myself, and to diffuse around me, a new religion (let’s call it an improved Christianity if you like) whose personal God is no longer the great Neolithic landowner of times gone by, but the Soul of the world … as demanded by the cultural and religious stage we have now reached.

In another letter about five years later, on March 21, 1941, he declared: “According to my own principles, I cannot fight against Christianity; I can only work inside it by trying to transform and convert it.”
Or rather, to infiltrate and converge it.

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93 Comments:

Blogger Barbarossa January 14, 2020 12:17 PM  

Someone remind exactly why the Inquisition was a bad thing.

Blogger Durandel January 14, 2020 12:23 PM  

Teilhard was likely a demoniac. Soul of the World is just a euphemism for Prince of the Wolrd/the Air.

Not sure how he connects to the Masonic infiltration of the Church and/or the Communist infiltration, but he has been and was useful to the traitors at Vatican II.

Blogger Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi January 14, 2020 12:33 PM  

This has been the message of many Marian apparitions and the vision of Leo XIII.

The Church would be all but destroyed, and when all was thought lost will be found again whole and untouched. And it will be more glorious than ever.

This goes along with the belief that the life of the Church will mimic the life of Christ. Just as Christ appears to have been beaten then crucified so too must His Church prior to her glorious resurrection.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2020 12:35 PM  

De Chardin is the prototype for all the infiltrators and activists that plague the West.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2020 12:39 PM  

Durandel wrote:Not sure how he connects to the Masonic infiltration of the Church and/or the Communist infiltration,
He is related to neither. He lost his faith early in his education as an archaeologist, but his self-regard and love for his own intelligence kept him on his path.

Blogger Crew January 14, 2020 1:00 PM  

Isn't Teilhard de Chardin also thought to be one of the Piltdown Man hoaxers?

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 14, 2020 1:01 PM  

Let me guess, Teilhard de Chardin was a gamma.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2020 1:05 PM  

Crew wrote:Isn't Teilhard de Chardin also thought to be one of the Piltdown Man hoaxers?
No. Peking Man, which may or may not be a hoax. The original fossils were lost in WWII, but casts remain and are consistent with an otherwise unattested subspecies of Homo Erectus. Certainly the Chinese archaeological community considers it genuine.

Blogger Nathan Hornok January 14, 2020 1:21 PM  

My hatred for the ToE cannot be overstated. Such spiritual carnage lies in it's wake. But I suppose the problem is really the rebellious human impulse to believe any lie in order to avoid the truth.

Blogger Martin Marprelate January 14, 2020 1:23 PM  

Of course he is a Jesuit. Jesuits are always pushing some form of heresy. They out to have been dealt with properly years ago.

Blogger weka January 14, 2020 1:26 PM  

@Longtime Lurker. He followed the psychoanalytic tradition as good modernists did. He made up his findings, like Freud did. My bet would lambda.

@Snidley, this fraud took until after I left school to disappear from introductory textbooks. Sadly, it is replaced with Maori myth.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2020 1:31 PM  

"He characterized Humani Generis in the following words: “A good psychoanalyst would see in it the clear traces of a specific religious perversion – the masochism and sadism of orthodoxy; the pleasure of swallowing, and making others swallow, the truth under its crudest and stupidest forms”."

An honest human being would characterize Teilhard as a sophistic hedonist, based on the above statement.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 14, 2020 1:32 PM  

Pascal was right about them Jesuits.

Blogger GK Chesterton January 14, 2020 1:32 PM  

I hadn't heard about Teilhard until I read that book about the Shrike (which I didn't like) by Simmons. I then read more about him. He was horrifying.

Blogger LR27 January 14, 2020 1:33 PM  

The inquisition can’t come soon enough.

Blogger Akulkis January 14, 2020 1:33 PM  

"Certainly the Chinese archaeological community considers it genuine."

The Chinese will support anything, regardless of whether it is true or not, which they believe can give them a rhetorical advantage in any argument that they are superior to the entire remainder of humanity.

The Chinese consider other southeast Asians, and the Japanese to be barely human, and the rest of the world as sub-human, except for Africans, who they view as being apes.

Switch the words "Japanese" and "Chinese" with each other, and the statement is equally true.

Blogger Johnny January 14, 2020 1:34 PM  

Same thing in the social sciences. Fine with me if they want to push a private doctrine, but they do it covertly, under the cover of a traditional belief.

As for the cure, the modern world runs on employment. No inquisition needed, all that has to happen is that they get fired.

Blogger Mocheirge January 14, 2020 1:34 PM  

He believed not only that the evolution of species had already been adequately demonstrated, but also that evolution is the paradigm for grasping the whole of reality, including its spiritual aspects.

He sounds like one of those internet monomaniacs who reads a little about a topic, decides it is the most important idea ever, presumes himself an expert in it, and proceeds to interpret everything through that filter. In other words, his toolbox contained only a hammer that was missing its head.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 14, 2020 1:35 PM  

"Such people want to hold onto an ancient tradition but still hate Rome."

I must have missed the part where Rome = Jesus. I'll hold onto the latter in preference to the former, thanks.

Blogger Honingbij January 14, 2020 1:36 PM  

Ortho-larpers? I thought that denomination bashing was frowned upon here.

Blogger The Masked Menace January 14, 2020 1:46 PM  

"Teilhard, like many Modernists before and after him, refused to leave the Catholic Church, no matter how “badly” he felt he was treated by it. For him, the goal was to ride out the waves as long as possible, to influence and infiltrate, to make disciples, plant seeds, and publish. He really believed he had the mission of changing the Church from within"

The exact strategy of many traditional Roman Catholics this very day. We aren't going anywhere. No matter how much we're attacked, marginalized, or suppressed, we will not abandon His citadel. The Apostate Pope and his allies want schism. We refuse to give it to them. Instead we will remain and resolutely resist. Even if it takes a thousand years we will retake ground inch by inch until the fortress is regained in entirety. We and those that follow have been entrusted with this task.

Blogger Monotonous Languor January 14, 2020 1:55 PM  

Teilhard de Chardin was a real snake in the grass. He slithered into the Church and laid the groundwork for the abominations we now see today. It's not that the Church didn't try to throw out the infestations it could detect. In 1907 Pope Pius X's encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis condemned modernism in the Church. But the language was too vague and abstract for most people to be able to reify and compare to events happening around them in their religious life. What the Church has now, what every denomination has to one extent or another, is a new heresy that's an effeminate inversion of the Logos. It downplays every masculine aspect of belief and practice, including the Father and the Son. It treats Christ as a lackey of the Almighty State worshiping the Great Goddess of Equality. It's a cult of feelings and niceness that scorns God's Judgment, pouring saccharine love over evil like syrup over poison in order to be "welcoming", "diverse", "multicultural", "non-judgmental", "compassionate". For lack of a better name it might be called the Heresy of Sentimentalism, but regardless it must be explicitly defined and labeled in order to be fought. All Christian churches must be exorcised from top to bottom of this heresy, otherwise they'll continue to shrivel and die.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2020 1:56 PM  

No denominational sniping. If you think the story of DeChardin proves anything other than the apostasy and degeneracy of some within the Catholic Church specifically, and Christianity generally, you should keep it to yourself.

Blogger steb January 14, 2020 1:56 PM  

He and Henri Nouwen are the two biggest tells of a Churchian

Old Henri was really keen on male trapeze artists.

Blogger Jean Durtal January 14, 2020 1:57 PM  

Sounds like in the New Church of Teilhard "2001: A Space Odyssey" would have been required viewing.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 14, 2020 2:00 PM  

Very interesting, good find, Vox.
From my limited exposure, I thought his was a worthwhile, if flawed and a bit hokey, to find some common ground between the Church and "Science". Never realized he was actually actively hostile.

Re: "Original Sin", I do have some issues with the notion that Adam and Eve forever tainted their descendants -- yet clearly humans are flawed, and I don't see a loving God deliberately setting us up for failure.

I do think there is a pretty good compatible secular, philosophical take on the same issue of humanity's flawed or "problematic" nature: it is because we are neither creatures of pure instinct, nor creatures with a completely unconstrained Free Will. We are neither on automatic pilot, nor are we so immune to our natures and circumstances that it is easy to do the good, right thing. We have a choice, but its not "just a choice", a matter of pure whim.

Blogger Jose Miguel January 14, 2020 2:00 PM  

How to Ortho-larp like a pro:
Keep up your prayer life without ceasing.
Attend Divine Liturgy regularly.
Go to confession.
Keep the fast.
Study the Scriptures and the Fathers too.

Hating Rome isn't in there, but then again I am a noob ortho-larper and could be missing some steps.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 14, 2020 2:03 PM  

While not a catholic, this is exactly why heretics must be burned out of the church, figuratively, if not literally.

Blogger Kraemer January 14, 2020 2:05 PM  

Amen brother. The gates of hell shall not prevail against us. And neither will some pathetic modernist sophistry

Blogger Iskander Magnus January 14, 2020 2:09 PM  

Teilhard de Chardin has long been and even yet remains one of the suspects in the Piltdown Man hoax. Perhaps that was yet another of his infernal achievements.
For a modern evaluation see - https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.160328
An extensive examination of TdC’s involvement is found in Malcolm Bowden’s book “Apemen Fact or Fallacy”, second edition 1981.
• Paperback: 257 pages
• Publisher: Sovereign Publications; 2nd Revised edition 1981
• ISBN-10: 0950604216
• ISBN-13: 978-0950604213
I think there have been later editions.

Blogger Bucephalus January 14, 2020 2:10 PM  

According to my own principles, I cannot fight against Christianity; I can only work inside it by trying to transform and convert it.”

The arrogance here is astounding. Under what authority does one feel compelled to undertake such a task?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2020 2:12 PM  

Crew wrote:Isn't Teilhard de Chardin also thought to be one of the Piltdown Man hoaxers?
Well, I'm wrong. I looked it up and yes, DeChardin was the main co-conspirator.
For those uninformed, Piltdown Man was a fraudulent paleological find, consisting or a smashed human skull, the jawbone of an orangutan and fossilized chimpanzee teeth. It was purported to provide the missing link between humans and apes. A modern examination of the specimens found that the skull was medieval, the jawbone was about 500 years old, and the fossilized chimpanzee teeth were at least hundreds of thousands of years old.
The fraud was perpetrated by Charles Dawson, an amateur paleontologist, but De Chardin, a working paleontologist who had participated in digs in Africa and the far East, almost certainly provided the fossilized teeth and orangutan jaw.

Blogger xevious2030 January 14, 2020 2:15 PM  

It’s the same lie, over and over. “And in the end, we all become god/god-like.” An ear whisper, over and over.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon January 14, 2020 2:20 PM  

"“A good psychoanalyst would see in it the clear traces of a specific religious perversion "

And with that, we know we are dealing with someone trying to destroy western civilization from within. Taking Freud seriously was Jordan Peterson had to do to convince me that he was a fraud. Jordanetics expounded upon the same themes at length, but anyone who believes that Freud was conducted honest work can be written off as a fool.

Freud clearly stated that his goal was to undermine western civilization. He joked, moments before entering a lecture hall at a US university, that the audience was there to 'applaud them before receiving the plague'.

I have little interest in poking into Catholic doctrine, but following the corruption of church doctrine would make for an interesting book. Perhaps E Michael Jones will take it on at some point.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 14, 2020 2:36 PM  

He vowed obedience to the Church but publicly disagreed with its foundational principles. He didn't want to leave the Church, the same Church which provided his education and his ongoing upkeep! Betrayal, self righteous pride PLUS money! Everyone wants to be a special boy. Nothing about this sounds like integrity. Pretty much all the complaints against the clerical problems in the Roman Catholic Church originate from disobeying (again disobedience!) the scripture that Jesus required his apostles to be servants rather than tyrants.

"You know that the princes of the Gentiles lord it over them; and that they that are the greater, exercise power upon them. It shall not be so among you: but whosoever is the greater among you, let him be your minister. And he that will be first among you shall be your servant. Even as the Son of man is not come to be ministered unto, but to minister and to give his life a redemption for many."

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz January 14, 2020 2:37 PM  

Amen.

Blogger Stilicho January 14, 2020 2:37 PM  

He proposed to redefine God to suit his own preferences. Now where have I seen something like that before? Oh yeah:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Literally satanic.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2020 2:37 PM  

Iskander Magnus wrote:Teilhard de Chardin has long been and even yet remains one of the suspects in the Piltdown Man hoax. Perhaps that was yet another of his infernal achievements.
Thanks for the correction.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 14, 2020 2:47 PM  

Woah, woah, woah! Are you implying that Maui *did not* pull the South Island up with a bone hook and flax line?
Bigot!

Blogger Kiwi January 14, 2020 3:05 PM  

Is this JPs Great Grandfather?

Blogger FUBARwest January 14, 2020 3:18 PM  

The satanism is shockingly plain to read.

Blogger Kiwi January 14, 2020 3:23 PM  

@39. God Emperor Memes

The traditional stories and ways of many peoples, weave their way through Christian history. Maui and his waka have ridden the Christian wave for a long time now. Although, in saying that, Maori are the biggest percentage of converts to Islam in NZ atm. Why is that, are they more welcoming of their past? I've heard Muslims speaking Maori, so I suspect they are.

Blogger Manuel January 14, 2020 3:26 PM  

DEVS VVLT we will win in the end

Blogger Annabel Lee January 14, 2020 3:30 PM  

Exactly.

Blogger tublecane January 14, 2020 3:55 PM  

Not that t.v. shows matter in this struggle, but I remember watching the Young Pope talk about restraining priests from offering absolution to female parishioners who confess to abortion. This he argued was a end-around to avoid excommunication. The Vatican Secretary of State was aghast, warning of mobs of feminists coming to attack them.

Not that he wasn't merely speaking with a former tongue, but those we believe ought to have the courage of their convictions (why else have the authority of a Church behind them?) simply don't.

It's like those who wring their hands over the impossibility (in their minds) of ridding the country of 30 million or whatever illegals without resort to ethnic cleansing. Which is officially a Very Bad Thing. Set aside those who are merely casting about for excuses. Who wouldn't risk some ethnic cleansing for an actual nation of they truly wanted one? Cowards.

Blogger tublecane January 14, 2020 3:58 PM  

@26- God didn't set people up for failure. In the story it's our fault for eating the apple.

He took away Paradise on Earth, then eventually gave us a path back to Paradise hereafter. In the meantime, failure to get back to the Garden was predetermined, I suppose. But Christians are glad enough to have Christ that they don't worry too much.

Blogger DL January 14, 2020 4:03 PM  

Amen brother. I am with you.

Blogger DL January 14, 2020 4:05 PM  

The problem was that Pipe Pius X didn't name names in Pascendi. He should have named heretics like popes and enyclicles of the past.

Blogger James Lovebirch January 14, 2020 4:29 PM  

Oh look, the genius de Chardin discovered gnostic philosophy.

Blogger Jean Durtal January 14, 2020 5:57 PM  

@ 22

"In 1907 Pope Pius X's encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis condemned modernism in the Church. But the language was too vague and abstract for most people to be able to reify and compare to events happening around them in their religious life."

I wouldn't characterize it as "vague" or "abstract" at all. It's very straightforward in its analysis and condemnation:

http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis.html

All you have to do is read it and it's obvious De Chardin is a textbook Modernist heretic.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2020 6:07 PM  

The exact strategy of many traditional Roman Catholics this very day. We aren't going anywhere. No matter how much we're attacked, marginalized, or suppressed, we will not abandon His citadel. The Apostate Pope and his allies want schism. We refuse to give it to them.

@21 The Masked Menace
/facepalm You do realize that the Pope has to actually be a Catholic, otherwise he's an antipope? And that "schism" means refusing submission to the Catholic Pope, not refusing submission to a non-Catholic antipope?

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2020 6:11 PM  

The general framework is a Hegelian progressivism in which, in spite of momentary setbacks and conflicts, the whole universe, with mankind at its crest, is gradually improving, rising, and achieving spiritualization.

Pretty sure Hegel is down in the deepest pits of hell right now. His "philosophy" has caused so much damage, bloodshed, and plain heartache it's incredible.

Blogger Scott January 14, 2020 6:25 PM  

Gammas get laid, they don't dedicate their lives to celibate revenge.

Omega!

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 14, 2020 7:01 PM  

I wouldn't characterize [Pascendi] as "vague" or "abstract" at all. It's very straightforward in its analysis and condemnation:

Indeed. If you're one of the few people who ever reads an encyclical, the pre-Vatican II ones are amazingly short and to the point. They aren't necessarily a breezy read, but that's because precision of language was most important.

On the other hand, the Modernists' encyclicals can run to hundreds of pages of flowery vagueness, which makes it difficult to find the key point they're trying to slip through. Same thing with the catechism: the Baltimore Catechism is a tight question-and-answer volume, with some answers as short as a few words, while the 2005 CCC is a doorstop that can't be understood without a theological library in which to look up footnotes.

Blogger John Rockwell January 14, 2020 7:02 PM  

Inquisition to judge clergy?

Blogger Rex Leroy King January 14, 2020 7:02 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:The fraud was perpetrated by Charles Dawson, an amateur paleontologist, but De Chardin, a working paleontologist who had participated in digs in Africa and the far East, almost certainly provided the fossilized teeth and orangutan jaw.

Speaking of Chinese ancestry...

Blogger John Rockwell January 14, 2020 7:03 PM  

And then that fresh host gets infiltrated and destroyed again. Rinse repeat.

Blogger Dad29 January 14, 2020 7:12 PM  

The Church is not "converged," but a large number of her clergy (and laity) are.

I had to read TdC in high school; that came to a sudden halt when a number of enraged parents made it clear what they thought of that assignment.

Frankly, I don't know that current Catholic parents would know what a TdC actually is.

@vfm: so he's an anti-Pope. So what? "Schism" is separating oneself from the Church, not the Pope/anti-Pope.

Granted, this is a very curious Canonical situation; even Cd. Burke is stymied.

Blogger RedJack January 14, 2020 7:31 PM  

That is one reason my bride left the RCC. She realized that a large part of it was no longer Christian.

You can deny the Incarnation from the pulpit AT CHRISTMAS IN A CATHOLIC CHURCH and be just fine, but if you don't send your money to Peter's Pence (and the local diocese) you in danger of the fires of hell.

That isn't every where, but it is allowed to go on with impunity.

Which is why I have been saying for decades there is not one Roman Catholic Church, but thousands.

Blogger Unknown January 14, 2020 7:39 PM  

The theory of "Evolutionary Scientism" was destroyed by Alexander Solzhenitsyn's epic work, "The Gulag Archipelago". Over a thousand pages (which I have read four times) that can be best described as a weapon of mass destruction of evolutionary scientism...
God bless, Michael

Blogger Jean Durtal January 14, 2020 7:46 PM  

@ 54

"On the other hand, the Modernists' encyclicals can run to hundreds of pages of flowery vagueness, which makes it difficult to find the key point they're trying to slip through."

Exactly. Pius X makes that very point in "Pascendi:"

"It is one of the cleverest devices of the Modernists (as they are commonly and rightly called) to present their doctrines without order and systematic arrangements, in a scattered and disjointed manner, so as to make it appear as if their minds were in doubt or hesitation, whereas in reality they are quite fixed and steadfast."

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2020 7:53 PM  

And then that fresh host gets infiltrated and destroyed again. Rinse repeat.

Because that exact thing happened to the SSPX after Lefebvre died, with a clique intent on recognizing and reconciling with Rome taking tight control under Bp. Fellay, American traditionalists like Bp. Sanborn and Fr. Cekada went for a decentralized approach a bit like Gamergate and 4GW in general.

Blogger Mr Smith January 14, 2020 7:55 PM  

I think Frank Tipler got all of his Omega Point wackiness from Teilhard.

https://youtu.be/tNkuJvhyfP0

Blogger Rockentowsky January 14, 2020 8:13 PM  

Basically the entire Order of the Jesuits are now a convergence cancer. Read Malachi Martin's The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church. This is not a dry read, Martin is a gifted writer, a former Vatican Insider, an Exorcist & a former Jesuit higher up.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2020 8:18 PM  

Teilhard de Chardin was a real snake in the grass. He slithered into the Church and laid the groundwork for the abominations we now see today.

If you want a Modernist heresy that is relatively easy to nail down, it's evolution of dogma. The idea that something that's true now can be false in the future, or vice versa, due to a deeper understanding or evolution. It's why Francis keeps going on about being on a "journey". It is also why Modernists accept pre-Vatican II magisterium -- because it was true then, but may not be now because we've grown beyond all that.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you think it's a coincidence that Tucker Carlson shares initials with Ted Cobbler? Never Go Full Retard ) January 14, 2020 8:24 PM  

A good psychoanalyst would see in it the clear traces of a specific religious perversion – the masochism and sadism of orthodoxy; the pleasure of swallowing, and making others swallow, the truth under its crudest and stupidest forms”.

orthodoxy is here defined as a religious perversion, a type of sado-masochism.

i also like how Truth is characterized as "crude" and "stupid". it's almost as if this man could have been on the Enron board of directors.



"It should also give us considerable pause to look at the select group of major Catholics who have dared to praise the work of Teilhard de Chardin in spite of its obvious witch’s brew of materialism, evolutionism, syncretism, and pantheism:
... Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis
"

this damns Benedict as being as much of an antipope as Francis.

but then, that should have been clear when Benedict was "successful" in transforming the papacy into a collegial office.

so much for Barnhardt's attempts to rehabilitate him.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 14, 2020 9:13 PM  

Modernism is a heresy that should have been met with expulsion. It's just as dangerous as other heresies.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 14, 2020 9:21 PM  

We're all drowning in the sea, then all of a sudden a big cruise ship appears and tells us to get on so we can be saved. Even though there are some terrible people on that boat, refusing to get on means death. Better to share a boat with a lunatic than drown at sea.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 14, 2020 9:26 PM  

SSPX was schismatic. Being in schism is a horrible sin because it's an attack on the unity of the Church. They used progressive and modernist reasoning to justify their traditionalism. SSPX propagated disobedience to the Church, which is frowned upon.

Blogger Akulkis January 14, 2020 10:20 PM  

If the lunatic is at the help of the boat, and wearing the captain's uniform, you'd best find another boat.

Blogger europeasant January 14, 2020 10:21 PM  

Yes we should take a survey.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you think it's a coincidence that Tucker Carlson shares initials with Ted Cobbler? Never Go Full Retard ) January 14, 2020 10:40 PM  

68. Shane Bradman January 14, 2020 9:21 PM
then all of a sudden a big cruise ship appears and tells us to get on so we can be saved.


it's Catholic doctrine that formal membership in the RCC is not a requirement of either salvation or being a spiritual part of the bride of Christ.

Blogger Jean Durtal January 14, 2020 11:07 PM  

@ 64

Malachi Martin was himself a snake. He helped propagate the Modernist's agenda at Vatican II, made a career in disseminating disinformation, was a serial philanderer, and was likely a member of the Tribe.

If you want a good example of the sort of tricks he pulled, check out the end of this article on "Pope" John XXIII and the Jews (itself a telling indictment). Malachi Martin was likely the propagator of this "prayer," to be read in every church in the world, which he passed off as being by the "Pope:"

‘We are conscious today that many, many centuries of blindness have cloaked our eyes so that we can no longer either see the beauty of Thy Chosen People nor Recognize in their faces the features of our privileged brethren. We realize that the Mark of Cain stands upon our foreheads. Across the centuries our brother Abel has lain in the blood which we drew or shed the tears we caused by forgetting Thy Love. Forgive us for the curse we falsely attached to their name as Jews. Forgive us for Crucifying Thee a second time in their flesh, for we knew not what we did…’

https://insidethevatican.com/magazine/pope/incomparable-pope-john-xxiii-jews-long/

Blogger Shane Bradman January 15, 2020 1:51 AM  

@72. That's misleading. The doctrine is that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. However, you can be considered part of the Church without being formally initiated, in particular circumstances. There's debate on whether men like Aristotle could be considered saved because he existed before the Church did, and there's debate about whether people that have lived in ignorance of the Church could be saved, since it is not their fault that they don't know anything about it. For men like Teilhard de Chardin who attacked the Church from within, there is no salvation. Nor for men like Martin Luther who are considered heretics. Nor for the Jews, who rejected God Himself.
Catholic doctrine isn't black and white so it's very easy to misunderstand it, or be misled by opponents of the Church.

Blogger JJ January 15, 2020 2:06 AM  

Heretic sit

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 15, 2020 2:06 AM  

Shane Bradman wrote:There's debate on whether men like Aristotle could be considered saved because he existed before the Church did,
Scripture clearly says Christ went to the Abode of the Dead and preached the gospel.

Blogger Jose Miguel January 15, 2020 4:21 AM  

@Snidely

Indeed, Christ's descent into Hades was such a big deal for the early church they put it in the Creed.

Blogger FrankNorman January 15, 2020 5:31 AM  

SSPX was schismatic. Being in schism is a horrible sin because it's an attack on the unity of the Church.

What unity? How can you be in any sort of "unity" with people who flat-out reject everything that you believe in?

Blogger The Kurgan January 15, 2020 6:19 AM  

It's Ironic that Theilard de Chardin was instrumental in getting me a lot closer to Christianity as a result of reading his The Phenomenon of Man. Today, of course, being a proper Catholic, and having read up about him personally in the last few weeks, I would vote for his being burnt at the stake for heresy. Which reminds me...I need to update my little book Believe on this matter.

Blogger xavier January 15, 2020 7:01 AM  

So Taylor Marshall's book Infiltration is being vindicated and confirmed

Blogger Sargent.matrim January 15, 2020 7:13 AM  

I am seeing this sort of convergence take over my old Bible College. The vehicle of inversion appears to be a combination of egalitarianism and environmentalism, of the alarmist kind.

I am tired of seeing posts about how fighting climate change is a gospel imperative from my old school.

It's sad to see, but predictable.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 15, 2020 7:21 AM  

this damns Benedict as being as much of an antipope as Francis.

It's actually pretty analogous to American politics. Benedict was more "conservative" than JP2 on the surface, which convinced many traditionalists that he would roll things back, but that was never his intention at all.

The difference between Benedict and Francis is that Benedict wanted to create a Hegelian synthesis of Catholicism with the new Vatican II religion. He was, as he said himself, a man of Vatican II. He was one of its creators. But he recognized that it got some things wrong, and that some good things about Catholicism had been lost, so he wanted to combine the two and get something better.

Francis, on the other hand, was fully-formed in Vatican II and has no use for Catholicism at all. He doesn't want to reform or synthesize anything; he just wants to get on with viva-ing le revolution.

Blogger The Kurgan January 15, 2020 7:58 AM  

@58 it is not confusing at all. It's very clear. see the simple explanation found on the about page of canon188.com

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you think it's a coincidence that Tucker Carlson shares initials with Ted Cobbler? Never Go Full Retard ) January 15, 2020 8:23 AM  

de Chardin was clearly and obviously:
- Gnostic
- Marxist
- Freudian
- Luciferian
- involved in fraudulently faking "scientific evidence" with Piltdown Man

and despite however "clear" or "forceful" Humani Generis might have been, the Pope failed to make the obvious and straightforward decision to defrock this fool.

and NOW, your last two sitting Popes have activiely defended a Luciferian.

explain to me how the Papacy is divinely protected from error, again?

and if the Papacy is NOT protected from error? then the RCC is wrong about the doctrine of infallibility.

and that opens an entire can of worms you don't want to get into.

Blogger The Kurgan January 15, 2020 11:04 AM  

@84 - Hush. Do not speak of things you don't understand for lack of study, IQ or general education on matters Catholic.
http://canon188.com/?page_id=12

Blogger VFM #7634 January 15, 2020 11:05 AM  

and if the Papacy is NOT protected from error? then the RCC is wrong about the doctrine of infallibility.

Or they and their predecessors back to and including "St." John XXIII are frauds and no more Popes than Ayatollah Khamenei.

Just because "everyone" thinks something is true doesn't mean it is.

Say Obama was actually born in Kenya. Would he be a valid President? Likewise with a non-Catholic papal claimant.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 15, 2020 11:26 AM  

furor kek tonicus ( ve haff vays uf makink du laff, in accordance with all ordnung ) wrote:explain to me how the Papacy is divinely protected from error, again?
I won't explain it but do know that there are subtleties that do not get conveyed in popular understandings. For example, decades after he died in 638, Pope Honorius I was declared a heretic and anathematized. That was long before Vatican I explicitly supported papal infallibility in 1870. Regardless of simple and clear Canon Law, there is even more to a Pope saying something and that something being considered dogma.

Many people also don't know that Vatican II was only a 'pastoral' not a 'dogmatic' council according to multiple popes. That sounds like it makes things better, but the subtleties within that distinction plus Canon Law actually make things worse regarding the current situation. There will not be simple solutions; don't expect them. The lack of clarity is both the subversive tactic and one of the biggest problems. The Roman Catholic Church is worth rehabilitation and some are called to that. But everyone's first responsibility is their own and their family's immortal souls.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 15, 2020 11:54 AM  

@Annossow

Honorius being a heretic has been debunked over, and over, and over again. Including by St. Robert Bellarmine at the Council of Trent. It's almost THE standard excuse used by those who want to believe that heretics can validly be Popes.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 15, 2020 12:10 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Honorius being a heretic has been debunked over ...
I'll investigate more and not repeat it in the meantime. But I'll also remain leery of simplistic sounding solutions to the current situation in the Church.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 15, 2020 2:31 PM  

The convergence is real. It happened to the government and the universities, many Protestant Churches, now it comes for the Roman Catholics. Christians need to learn to purge the wolf, kill the snake, and refuse to be subverted for 'niceness.' Christ was not 'nice', God is not 'nice', harmlessness is not a trait of universal Goodness.

I have started to write about my journey to an unconverged denomination in my blog, it is a rough journey.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 15, 2020 3:32 PM  

"explain to me how the Papacy is divinely protected from error, again?"

It's only considered to be infallible when it can't be found otherwise contradicting scripture or divine revelation. The doctrine is a part of papal primacy rather than what it sounds like. It's a way of staking claim to any indefinite areas.

Blogger Jason January 15, 2020 6:26 PM  

The Conciliar Catholic Church is converged, definitely.

Our Lady of Good Success, who provided many prophesies 500 years ago, foretold this. Quite amazing, really.

Regarding the SSPX being in schism, I recommend the following internet search where you'll find an article that addresses that claim: Gnostic twaddle

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus January 15, 2020 10:40 PM  

The Inquisition did nothing wrong.

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