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Tuesday, January 28, 2020

The rotten fruit of National Review

Crazy Days and Nights retro-outs William F. Buckley:
This deceased writer/publisher of a well known magazine that still runs was also known for having a television show. His manner and speaking style were mocked on sketch comedy shows many times.

He preferred sexual relations with men rather than with women but like a lot of men of his generation he could not acknowledge this and so married and had children. In addition, the audience he cultivated would not have accepted this.

He spent a lot of time with homosexual prostitutes from a specific procurer.  He would often tell his favorites that he would refer to them on his TV show by assigning them an obscure word, Latin or old English, and then use the word on his show that week.
The "intellectual force behind the modern conservative movement" was always a complete fraud. It may interest you to know that while I was signed by Universal Press Syndicate with the idea that I was the young right-wing writer most capable of filling in for his supposedly formidable shoes, I never thought that either his columns or his novels were very good.

In fact, I found both of them to be borderline unreadable, the columns in particular being masterpieces in sounding educated and intellectual without ever saying much of anything at all. So, it shouldn't be a surprise that modern conservatism went nowhere and accomplished nothing, as it is the rotten fruit of an inverted tree.

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Blogger Cataline Sergius January 28, 2020 1:03 PM  

As I recall, Gore Vidal had been saying Buckley was in the closet for years.

I suppose he'd know.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2020 1:04 PM  

"masterpieces in sounding educated and intellectual without ever saying much of anything at all."

Sophistry in a nutshell. Bright, particularly-cunning people can talk their way to the top, but what do they BUILD? Not. One. Damn. Thing.

But they are gifted parasites, creating an entire imaginary world where pointing out their perfidy is conflated with religious or sexual-deviancy "intolerance," which is a Mortal Sin in our ruling Theocracy.

As con-artistry, it is Rembrandt-level.

Blogger MagisterLudi January 28, 2020 1:07 PM  

Conservatism is gay, both literally and figuratively

Blogger ar10308 January 28, 2020 1:28 PM  

A few years ago, Anonymous Conservative did a big post on Buckley as someone having very strong Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It contained a number of stories from Buckley's kids who would talk about how their father would intentionally do things to make them miserable, especially if everyone was having a good time. Buckley would intentionally ruin it.

It sounds like series Gamma behavior, but with this information him being a Lambda explains even more of it.

Blogger Rough Carrigan January 28, 2020 1:30 PM  

Buckley was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, an organization membership in which is impossible to square with actually being on the right and being pro American.

Blogger Brett baker January 28, 2020 1:30 PM  

Well, this helps explain why some conservatives got on board with gay marriage so easily.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 28, 2020 1:38 PM  

I'm one of those 99th percentile test takers, and I found his writing and speech to rely on intimidation through vocabulary, when instead you should focus more on being clearly understood, if you are actually trying to inform or persuade people. He went way beyond an insistence on being precise in terminology.

Blogger Warunicorn January 28, 2020 1:43 PM  

In his defense, at least the cuck kept it to himself. Would it be so in this day and age, but nope, everyone's letting their freak flag fly and we're all supposed to celebrate it. Still couldn't stand the cuck in the end.

Blogger Seeingsights January 28, 2020 1:50 PM  

Maybe I should watch episodes of Firing Line to find out the obscure or Non English words that WFB used. I saw one debate where he spoke in French. The phrase translated in English was: Ill sleep with the devil I know than with the devil I don't know.

Blogger Cloudswrest January 28, 2020 1:54 PM  

They must have been lovers.

"Now listen you queer..."

https://youtu.be/Ho9M-q_kcn8

Blogger Talios Hammerfist January 28, 2020 1:55 PM  

Queue conservative meltdown in 3...

Blogger tuberman January 28, 2020 1:55 PM  

Yeah, Bill kristol and Rick Wilson are two examples of the current sewage from that Hell Spawn. Rick did an interview yesterday with one of the stupidest clowns, Don Lemon on CNN.

Buckley = Homo -- not a surprise.

Blogger Bert Head January 28, 2020 1:55 PM  

I had just finished reading about National Reviews' worthless snivelling anti-Trump campaigns, and now this.

Blogger cheddarman January 28, 2020 2:09 PM  

You cant trust fags and they most always betray you. The old USSR KGB used that to their advantage repeatedly with the USA and Great Brittan

Blogger JACIII January 28, 2020 2:09 PM  

In fact, I found both of them to be borderline unreadable, the columns in particular being masterpieces in sounding educated and intellectual without ever saying much of anything at all.

George Will: same.
The intelligence agencies look for those who come pre-blackmailed.

Blogger CS January 28, 2020 2:18 PM  

The "intellectual force behind the modern conservative movement" was always a complete fraud.

William F. was CIA, worked under E. Howard Hunt at the US Embassy in Mexico City.

Perhaps the best thing that can be attributed to him is the Biography written by his son, Christopher: Losing Mom and Pup.

A good read and instructive as to the personality of a good CIA operative.

Blogger boogeyman January 28, 2020 2:19 PM  

Way back when I first watched the guy on TV and I was a teenager I automatically assumed he was gay. It just seemed obvious. To me, the only thing surprising about this is anyone finds it surprising.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 28, 2020 2:22 PM  

Quelle that the "F" stood for fag. Which also raises the question of how susceptible he was to blackmail.

Blogger Geir Balderson January 28, 2020 2:23 PM  

I suspected he was a bit 'light in the loafers'. And, never liked his style. And, has been said before here, they never conserve anything. They fool a lot of folks, make piles of money and move on.

Similar to the Biden crime family and their gold lunch buckets.

Blogger Haus frau January 28, 2020 2:24 PM  

Himmler's classic speech concerning homosexuals and the health of German society. There's nothing new under the sun. The Nazis were successful in gaining power because they recognized the many problems plaguing German society, even if their solutions destroyed the country.

"Homosexuality therefore undoes in the state every merit, every basis for merit, and destroys the state in its foundations. That is not all: the homosexual is a thoroughly mentally - ill man. He is soft, he is in every crucial regard a coward. I believe that he can be brave here or there in war; in the field of civil courage however they are the most cowardly men that there are
"Interconnected with this is the fact that the homosexual lies pathologically. He is not lying - to take an extreme example - as a Jesuit. The Jesuit lies for a purpose. He says anything whatever with a beaming face and knows that he is deceiving you. He has a moral foundation: for the glory of God; majorum dei gloriam. The end justifies the means. There is a whole moral philosophy, a moral doctrine that Saint Ignatius worked out."
"The homosexual is of course the most appropriate object for every kind of extortion, firstly because he is himself liable to arrest, but secondly also because he is a soft fellow and thirdly because he lacks will and nerve."

"an insatiable desire to communicate in all areas, especially in the sexual area. You usually find that the one who gets caught then tells you uncontrollably all the names he knows. Since there is - I must speak from their point of view - no fidelity in the love of man for man, as there is otherwise fidelity among men, although homosexuals pretend to love each other. The homosexual tells everything unrestrainably and does so in the hope that he can perhaps save his own skin thereby."

https://carolynyeager.net/himmlers-speech-ss-leaders-homosexuality?fbclid=IwAR3-tHapkXL5TRdB3gpCAsoev1OwZb81NN6CheuID8RHGyaW7lg3o0AlQ58

Blogger The Masked Menace January 28, 2020 2:28 PM  

What...the...hell...

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid January 28, 2020 2:29 PM  

cheddarman wrote:You cant trust fags and they most always betray you. The old USSR KGB used that to their advantage repeatedly with the USA and Great Brittan

You may find Mask of Treachery by John Costello interesting.

Blogger Stephen January 28, 2020 2:30 PM  

Tis a pity Gore Vidal forsook the opportunity to out him during their heated confrontation on The Firing Line. That would have been great theatre.

Blogger kudzu bob January 28, 2020 2:32 PM  

Listened to a podcast discussion last week that included Paul Gottfried and Peter Brimelow, both of whom were associated with Buckley. They said his homosexuality was an open secret at National Revie. Have also long heard it claimed that Gore Vidal hired private eyes who compiled enough evidence proving that WFB was into rough trade to blackmail the latter into dropping a lawsuit against Vidal.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2020 2:36 PM  

I never understood the appeal of buckley.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2020 2:37 PM  

Buckley. I mean he wasn't even a good curmudgeon.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) January 28, 2020 2:37 PM  

the few Establishment GOP'ers who aren't faggots are most likely pedophiles
...
if not both.

remember, the MSM was happy to talk about how many visits Lewinski made to the Clinton White House once she was outed
...
but the MSM never asks questions about why the same thing was true of a convicted homosexual prostitute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

https://www.texemarrs.com/122006/white_house_bordello.htm

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 28, 2020 2:42 PM  

Buckley was always overrated. And his gatekeeping operation stifled the development of a coherent conservative ideology. It's not enough to oppose the Left, you have to stand FOR something. And be able to defend those positions.

Standing astride the train-tracks of history shouting "STOP!" is not a strategy that leads to victory.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 28, 2020 2:44 PM  

Brings new meaning to his little on-air spat with Gore Vidal.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 28, 2020 2:47 PM  

Then there's that whole association with the "Christians In Action", as some folks in my sphere like to call that place.

Blogger Kiwi January 28, 2020 2:48 PM  

Scouting for intellectual weapons. I'm always grateful when one gets away, not many do.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 28, 2020 2:56 PM  

This certainly explains his animosity towards Gore Vidal. Vidal was probably the one who got away.

Blogger Eagle Rock January 28, 2020 2:58 PM  

Makes sense, just read between the lines:"After dessert had been set aside and Ben had gone to clean up, Buckley gathered himself up from his seat and peered down at us. 'I generally take a swim after eating,' he said. 'You’re all welcome to swim as well, of course.'

"Now that he mentioned it, a swim seemed just the thing. (I imagine practically anything would have sounded like just the thing at that point in the evening.) But then I considered the matter more deeply and heaved a deep and regretful sigh.

'I’d swim, sir,' I said. 'I would swim, I really would like to. But I’m afraid I didn’t bring a bathing suit.'

"It had taken me so long to reach this conclusion that Buckley had already begun to climb the ladder, and now he regarded me with unconcealed amusement. 'Well, neither did I. After all, it’s quite dark out there. And we’re all men here, you know.'
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/conservatives-and-skinny-dipping-patrick-brennan/

Blogger peacefulposter January 28, 2020 3:12 PM  

Any bets on George Will?

Blogger Manuel January 28, 2020 3:13 PM  

I did like some of his writing. But he's no Buchannan or Coulter.

Blogger Thomas Howard January 28, 2020 3:14 PM  

Fortunately, defamation and privacy torts that are used to prevent unjust damage to individuals' reputations cannot be extended post-mortem.

Blogger Dirtnapninja January 28, 2020 3:37 PM  

"Its that whole Yale thing..."

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 3:53 PM  

"You cant trust fags and they most always betray you."

Of course they will. They betray each other at the drop of a hat... or any other article of clothing.

Blogger Crew January 28, 2020 4:06 PM  

Controlled opposition. Perhaps just a (((Buckley))).

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 4:06 PM  

"A few years ago, Anonymous Conservative did a big post on Buckley as someone having very strong Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It contained a number of stories from Buckley's kids who would talk about how their father would intentionally do things to make them miserable, especially if everyone was having a good time. Buckley would intentionally ruin it."

When everything is perfect, and out of the blue, someone needlessly starts a shitload of drama, ruining what would have been an enjoyable day, that's BPD, not NPD.

NPD's generally are happy if everyone else is happy.

BPD's aren't even comfortable unless there's some drama going on around them -- the more pointless the better. And if there isn't any, they'll create it out of thin air. (I've witnessed this too many times to count).

NPD's will accept blame. Grudgingly, but they'll accept it. They prefer to be the ones who let either their peers or their supervisor (depending on the situation) know they made a mistake, and to get in front of trying to fix it, so as to avoid an unknown amount of chewing out if someone else discovers it.

BPD's never accept blame, they always shift it to someone else, even when there's no other person who could possibly be at fault. If the BPD backs the car out of the driveway with a camera still on roof of the car where he put it ... it's the manufacturer's fault for not making it durable enough to survive falling off the roof of a moving car.

Both NPD and BPD were overly-punished as children; but with BPD's that's usually only the tip of the iceberg of abuse.

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 4:10 PM  

"A good read and instructive as to the personality of a good CIA operative."

Just as in theater (because undercover operatives ARE actors), the best ones are the worst cases of BPD which manage to not draw attention to their mental problems.
BPD = NPD + Psychosis + Psychopath and/or Sociopath

(There is debate as to what distinguishes "Psychopath" and "Sociopath" and whether it's really all just the same thing.)

Blogger Azimus January 28, 2020 4:23 PM  

Funny the few times I watched old clips of him he struck as that kind of gay in that Roman Patrician kind of way...

Blogger Miguel January 28, 2020 4:23 PM  

And he was a Skull and Bones member, if I recall correctly.

Blogger Unknown January 28, 2020 4:35 PM  

Buckley was also a Skull and Bones man.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 28, 2020 5:05 PM  

Not surprised he had to pay for it, even among homos; he was a desiccated mummy man.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2020 5:11 PM  

What does it say about us that we let such people serve as both Gateway Drug to the world of FakeRight and Gatekeeper for Outer Party intellectuals? I've known about CIA monies for a long time, as well as the fact that Buckley was a spook. Because he wasn't a very good spook apparently (OR WAS HE?)

However, my assumption was that they pick horses and let 'em ride. Not that they are formally behind startup mass intellectual movements. Because who has that much money and/or gets that lucky? I mean, it was just a low-circulation magazine and public t.v. show. It's not like the Luce Empire and primetime NBC pushed out homoerotic godfather.

Buckley started of course as head of the New Right, which was not quite what modren conservautism eventually became. Because it included actual free-thinkin' and literate men like Mencken, Nock, Rothbard, Burnham, etc. Libertarians and commies, okay. But smart ones. Over the years, the "smart boys" would be purged one by one until only good (((boys))) were left.

Buckley couldn't compare, but he was funny at least. I laughed during Unmaking of a Mayor. What doesn't make me laugh [clunky National Reviewian transition] is the Secret Pact I never knew about until I read discontents like Justin Raimondo and the the Birchers.

Said Secret Deal was that the Nouveau Rrrighte wouldn't bother Midcentury Consensus Liberal Borg so long as they got their Cold War. Without that, what? We would have been colonized by Brezhnev? More like we'd all be DEAD. Because it was an existential thing for Buckley. Maybe because Soviets were harder on homos than American culture.

Not much of a deal, but who are we to doubt the foresight of Buckley? The man who lost a very public bitchfight with Gore Vidal. Jealous, probably, that the latter managed to write novels people could actually read. Though those books got lumped into "conspiracy theory" territory. Steer clear, lest you want to not fall asleep in the middle.

Buckeroo had plenty of double-reverse backflip jacknife olly gainers in him. Not just ones motivated by pretend-existentialism. He supported Social Security, for instance, despite knowing it would fail in short order. Why?...Maybe fear of Soviets was behind that, too. I dunno.

This ability was carried on to following generations of Buckaroo Bonzais. Son Christopher--who presumably was living comfortably off Hollywood money at the time, if not a CIA salary-had reasons for voting Obama. Reasons, I swear, that when bore down upon with sufficient gusto, made sense conservatismly. I forget them now, because good ideas always float away into nothingness, amirite?

Blogger ar10308 January 28, 2020 5:18 PM  

@Akulkis,
I may have explained it wrong, AC does it better. He describes him as a "Malignant Narcissist", and he knows Narcissism quite well.

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/william-f-buckley-a-case-study-in-narcissistic-personality-disorder/

Blogger Uncle Maffoo January 28, 2020 5:25 PM  

He was a counterexample to the One Liberal Joke about conservatives being low IQ uneducated brutes.

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 5:29 PM  

When "Losing Pup and Me" came out, there were some excerpts published. I was reading up on what are called "attachment disorders", which include both NPD and BPD.

BPDs are far more prone to substance abuse than NPDs. Buckley had a reputation for being a CONSTANT drinker, and nearly always medium to high alcohol content beverages (not beer!)

BPD's *LOVE* drama. If there isn't any happening around them that they're aware of, they'll figure out some way to create it. NPDs rarely do this, as they have a preference for as little drama as possible which involves them, while for BPDs, drama of nearly any sort gives them comfort.

BPD's tend to be into all sorts of off-kilter sex-related stuff. Homosexuality, Bisexuality, Pedophilia, Animals, BDSM, "Open marriage" (the BPD getting permission to cheat... the spouse rarely does), and "Swingers" -- BPD married to BPD.)

If they have enough income, gays are snobs.

Buckley was a perpetual, insufferable snob. He wasn't just a snob in terms of buying expensive things. He was a snob right down to his manner of speaking. More or less, his own variation of the "Gay Lisp" but without the lithping but an even more annoying habit of weird mid-sentence pauses at the completion of phrases, as if every sentence would take a listener significant amounts of time to comprehend.

So this revelation that Buckley was a fag doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It's just another star coming uncovered in a constellation which you already recognized from the portion which wasn't obscured by a cloud.

"I never understood the appeal of buckley."

BPD's tend to be amazingly manipulative and seductive to those whom they target. And this is beyond sex. It's about every interaction. BPD's were generally neglected or actively abused going all the way back to infancy. To even get feed enough, they had to learn (quickly) how to seduce/manipulate the people around them into feeding them, etc.


At the time, the portrayal of Buckley hit me as BPD, not NPD.

So this new revelation doesn't surprise me. NPD's are almost always straight, and BPD's almost always have some whacky sexuality (many BPD types were sexually abused growing up, or raped at some later time, or even both).

Both have issues understanding the concept of personal boundaries (weren't allowed to really have when they were children).

Prostitutes (of any sort and any price) are BPDs, even while many of them don't even enjoy sex (because they associate it with abuse, not pleasure)... but the psychopath component of the personality sees it as a means to an end -- getting money, and it brings in more dollars/hour than doing any sort of unskilled work. They view it as an elaborate con: I'll fool this idiot into thinking I care about him to get him to open up his wallet. The psychosis part is that they don't see that the other party isn't fooled, but is just taking advantage of the goods being offered for sale.)

Strippers tend to also be BPDs, not NPDs as most BPDs are exhibitionists, while NPDs have limits to how far they will go to be the center of attention.

"...the Biography written by his son, Christopher: Losing Mom and Pup.

A good read and instructive as to the personality of a good CIA operative."

BPDs' unstable self image make them the best actors. This means they can quickly and easily adopt any role the director wants them to, from hero to victim to villain.
Similarly, undercover operatives, to be reasonably successful, must be able to quickly slip into a role so well that even under scrutiny, it's difficult to detect. Again, not having a strong personal identity helps, which is another distinguishing difference between NPDs and BPDs..

RE: Skull And Bones.

Congruent with being homosexual. Leaks about their initiations indicate not only allusions to homosexuality, but outright sodomizing each newly inducted member.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2020 5:45 PM  

@48- That one joke of course is based upon ignoring the hordes of subhumans the left relies upon to win. Also upon the fact that they have captured the intellectual high ground, they run education and most popular culture, and own access to points to higher culture and employment in the intellectual class.

But it wasn't always that way. The Olden Days are full of Intelligent Wrongthinkers. Much like how everyone used to believe in God: smart and stupid alike. Which are reasons we're taught to despise and ignore the Olden Days.

Blogger Jay In NYC January 28, 2020 5:50 PM  

During the infamous "crypto-nazi" debate,why didnt Gore out Buckley? Crypto-fag?

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 5:54 PM  

@47

"I may have explained it wrong, AC does it better. He describes him as a "Malignant Narcissist", and he knows Narcissism quite well."

Which is classifying BPDs as narcissists, which then causes the general public to think anybody with narcissistic traits might be "one of *THEM*!!!".

If he were the only one abusing the term, I would hammer him on in incessently, but he's only using that screwed up terminology only because it's came into broad use throughout the internet about 10 years ago, and it's impossible to stuff the genie back into the bottle.

But, if you're going to use technical terms, then use the CORRECT technical terms, not the bastardized, sloppy term. Popularity of a lie doesn't make it any more excusable once you know the proper terminology, if only because it unnecessarily slanders a lot of NPDs with the crimes of BPDs.

Blogger LAZ January 28, 2020 6:00 PM  

"The Nazis were successful in gaining power because they recognized the many problems plaguing German society, even if their solutions destroyed the country."

Hitler was part Jewish and Germany was one of the cabal's early tests to see if they really could destroy a country.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 28, 2020 6:36 PM  

How blackmailed could Buckley have been? I wonder.

Blogger Curlytop January 28, 2020 7:03 PM  

What does that say about Limbaugh who idolizes or paid to-I have no clue-the man?

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) January 28, 2020 7:10 PM  

52. Akulkis January 28, 2020 5:54 PM
Which is classifying BPDs as narcissists, which then causes the general public to think anybody with narcissistic traits might be "one of *THEM*!!!".


they're all Cluster B, and all Cluster Bs are high on the Narcissism spectrum.

you seem to be a bit overly fixated on "precise definitions"
...
from a discipline which is slightly more scientific than a Ouija board.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2020 7:37 PM  

@51- If you out him you can't hold it over him.

Vidal to his credit was not afraid to go after fellow-fags. He was an old-school stuck-up queen, not one of your common, everyday dirty trick activist homos hanging around the MSM these days.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 28, 2020 9:11 PM  

There are a LOT of queers in the GOP & GOP punditry.

The guy that runs The Gateway Pundit,Jim Hoft, is a Boomer homo with an Asian boytoy.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 28, 2020 9:12 PM  

No.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 28, 2020 9:14 PM  

Wasn't it Brimelow who said Buckley was a raging lazy drunk and basically didn't give a sweet FA about anything after about 1980?

Blogger kudzu bob January 28, 2020 9:15 PM  

Say what you will about Vidal, he was brilliant and he was honest. That is why Buckley, who was neither of those things, hated him.

Blogger CF Neal January 28, 2020 9:20 PM  

I'm sorry, but I find this hard to believe. VERY hard to believe. Maybe it's just because I don't WANT to believe it? Maybe it's just because there is only this ONE source? Am I missing something?

Blogger John Regan January 28, 2020 9:53 PM  

Well if this is true it saddens me. I always admired the way he stood up for Whitaker Chambers and pursued Alger Hiss. That was an important fight.

Blogger ScottC January 28, 2020 10:16 PM  

Why did Buckley speak in that faux upper class English accent? I've heard his explanation, but it doesn't explain why his brothers and sisters who went with him to English boarding schools didn't return to the states sounding like that.

Blogger SciVo January 28, 2020 10:49 PM  

(There is debate as to what distinguishes "Psychopath" and "Sociopath" and whether it's really all just the same thing.)

I favor the notion that sociopaths are capable of intellectual empathy, but psychopaths can't even do that, due to being emotionally retarded. So the sociopath can act fairly normal, while the psychopath would as soon tear off your arm and beat you to death with it as glare at you, since both would fall under the same category of "I was upset."

Blogger Jack Amok January 28, 2020 11:06 PM  

I never understood the appeal of buckley.

Maybe because dumb people didn't feel so dumb when even their smart friends couldn't make any sense of what Buckley was saying either. Didn't occur to them some snarky guy on TV with a fancy degree might not actually be making sense.

As far as Gore Vidal goes, I've heard a quote attributed to him that I kinda like. He was in D.C. on the Capital Mall and said "These will make wonderful ruins some day."

Blogger MNW January 28, 2020 11:13 PM  

They are pretentious peacocking and little more.

Most beltway republican do that. The plane language used her and most blog I read is far more readable

Blogger Alexamenos January 28, 2020 11:44 PM  

So much gayness. At times like these I'm reminded that the heterosexual male's response to homosexual displays of affection is exactly the same as the physiological reaction to maggot infested meat...it makes me think of VD's argument from evil.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 12:01 AM  

"they're all Cluster B, and all Cluster Bs are high on the Narcissism spectrum."

Speeding and Grand Theft Auto are both car related offenses. I guess we should just lump them together as "automotive criminals" according to your childish refusal to use the useful concept of classifying DIFFERENT things under DIFFERENT names.

"you seem to be a bit overly fixated on "precise definitions""

That's because words mean things. While a pick-up truck and a Formula 1 car are both considered automobiles, deliberately referring to a pick-up truck in a way which makes people think you might actually be talking about an open-wheeled, single seat race car is not only small-minded, but dishonest. Not only that, but it doesn't communicate anything accurately, and only sows confusion in the minds of those who don't realize how you are abusing the terminology because you are too sloppy to use the proper words. Mr. Sandmann recently received a large sum of money from CNN for equally sloppy use of the language with a disregard for the meanings of the words which they chose to use, when they misportrayed him as being one kind of person when he was not. You are doing the same thing.
While All BPD's display NPD characteristics, NPDs are *NOT* BPDs.
Some Americans are mafia hitmen -- does that mean that it's honest to refer to any mafia hitman as "American" or "toxic American" rather than the more accurate, and HONEST term, "mafia hitman."

NPD is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It is well defined, and has very clear outer limits
BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder. Not "toxic" Narcissism. It's called BORDERLINE Personality Disorder because, while exhibiting some Cluster B traits (usually full-blown NPD), they also exhibit HUGE doses of Psychopathy and Psychosis, putting them on the BORDER between Cluster B mood disorders and the Cluster A psychotic disorders. NPDs show ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SIGN OF BEING PSYCHOTICS, so quit referring to people psychotic people who also exhibit narcissism as if they are NPDs.
It's abuse of the language. It's dishonest, and it's bearing false witness, as we have a completely seperate term for people who display psychotic disorders with their narcissism. Their narcissism isn't what makes people call them toxic, it's the psychotic-rooted psychopathy and sociopathy which makes people refer to them as toxic. I've had to cut off almost complete contact with some members of my family because of this kind of stuff. I know both groups all too well, and slandering the NPDs as if they were even capable of the BS that the BPDs show is just sick. I can get along with the NPDs. They might be annoying, but they aren't a threat to my well being like the BPDs are.

Suppose you need to reshingle your house, and you don't have a ladder.
An NPD will let you borrow his ladder, even if for ulterior purposes (to make himself look better in your eyes) and make sure you are happy.
A BPD will let you borrow his ladder, and a couple hours later, while you're up on the roof, and have run out of new shingles on top, and need to go down to the ground to haul up some more... you discover the ladder is gone. The BPD will have taken it back, for god knows what reason (if anything, to test if you're enough of a "good" friend to not cut him off for being a complete asshole), and then pack up the car and go to the beach. Or a baseball game. Or a movie. And the farther away the better, so that you're stuck on your roof for hours waiting for someone to bring you a ladder to get down. Then he'll tell you some utterly infuriating excuse like, "well, I was going out of town, and I didn't want you to leave my ladder outside of the garage where somebody could come and steal it."
That is NOT Narcissism. It's PSYCHOTIC AND SOCIOPATHIC, neither of which have anything to do with Narcissism.

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Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 12:02 AM  

NPDs, while they might be trying and grating at times, DON'T display the following constellation of indicators and characteristics which are typical in BPD.

* manipulation
* irresponsible with money. ALWAYS broke, no matter how much money they are making. They're always borrowing money for something important (rent), becaue they've blown it all on luxuries, extravagances, and/or intoxicating substances.
* uncanny seductiveness which even close observers of the target don't understand (see the discussion of this on the thread from about 2 weeks ago regarding Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, the predator). Choose Wisely
Comments 6,
9,
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Symbolical parallel to vampire mythology: 66 and
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and An Actress beats the Queen of England.
* psychopathy
* sociopathy
* psychosis
* gaslighting
* cutting people off from their friends and relatives
classifying people as being on one of two lists: Good "white" and absolutely terrible "black", with no in between.
* "splitting" (reclassifying someone from "white" to "black" for utterly trivial reasons, which often mystify even close observers)
* unstable sexual identity
* polymorphic sexual perversity
* unstable personal identity
* crave drama and choas -- uncomfortable without it -- and will create it if there is none.
* often juggle multiple romantic relationships (up to including multiple simultaneous marriages, of which none of the spouses are even aware. They tend to tell each of their spouses that they are in sales which require frequent out-of-state trips.)
* substance abuse
* inventing fake ailments to have intoxicating drugs prescribed for them (see manipulation and psychopathy, above)
* self-harm
* suicide and suicide-gestures over the normal "ups and downs" of life
* murder
* murder-suicide
as are ALL common behaviors or characteristics of BPD individuals.
(And the above list is not complete)


Why am I making such a big deal about this:

Simple:

Let me give you a real world parallel:

Do you think it's right that someone who was caught urinating against a tree in an empty park 2 hours after sundown should be put on a sex offender's registry, and, and prohibited from being around children, even picking up their own children from school, or going shopping at a shopping mall, the same way we do child molesters?

Or how about a high school girl who had sex with a guy from school, who was maybe a month or two below some age-difference cut-off, and who now, as a 35-year old woman, is on a sex offender's list, with a conviction of sexual misconduct with a minor, and even now, nearly 20 years later, is legally prohibited from picking up her own children from school, or being anywhere else where there are large numbers of kids (such as retail stores, shopping malls, parks, etc.). Is she a danger to children?

When you refer to a BPD, or their behavior, as "narcissm", you're doing the exact same thing.

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Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 12:02 AM  

* NPDs respond to psych/mental/behaviorial health treatment. They'll also seek out help.

* BPDs refuse to admit that they could possibly have ANYTHING wrong with them... and if, in some manner, they participate (usually under the guise of assisting treatment of a family member), they absolutely REFUSE to take any suggestions to modify their own behavior, because that would be an outward admission to being less than perfect -- something BPDs absolutely will not allow, even while (or maybe because) they view themselves as being the lowest of the low. Professional counselors/therapists/etc. who take one on in their practice soon find their entire practice turned into a giant soap opera until they figure out what's going on and drop the BPD from their case load.


* Are NPD's difficult to get along with? Sometimes. They tend to be self centered, want more power than they have earned, tend to think they should be treated better than others, and have difficulty developing truly intimate relationships.

* Are NPD's pathological phonies like BPDs universally are? * Some are, most aren't.

* Do NPDs have a reputation for leaving a trail of former friends and former business relations who have not one good thing to say about them? NO
* Do BPDs? Yes. (Martha Stewart is a good example)

Are NPDs anything like BPDs? Not really -- there are far more differences between BPD and NPD.

The only predictor that an NPD will be murdered, or commit murder or suicide is being in a relationship with a BPD...but then, this is also true for the rest of the public EXCEPT BPDs, who commit the overwhelming majority of murders and suicides, and are the overwhelming majority of murder victims by non BPDs.

No such parallel trends exist for NPDs.

When you hear about about a person committing a murder-suicide where victim(s) being spouse/gf/bf/children, or close business associate, almost invariably, the person who committed it is a BPD, and was obsessed with the victim, and the evidence points to the following thought process "if your world is going to completely revolve around someone else instead of me, then it's not going to revolve around anybody!" The trigger could be a spouse getting a job outside the home. Or a small child starting to go to school. Or starting to become a little independent and making friends. BPDs are terrified of anybody abandoning a relationship with them.

(The primary exception with murder-suicides is elderly couples, in which one or both are terminally ill, and the healthier one can't imagine living without their spouse.)

As you noted, NPD is absolute center in the Cluster B personality disorders.

BPD's have one foot firmly planted in the Cluster B mood disorders (and MUCH more firmly planted than NPDs) and the other foot firmly planted in Cluster A psychotic disorders.


Words mean thing, and Narcissism is a technical term with a specific definition, not "somebody who does anything that makes me mad" Quit abusing the damned language. If you're going to use the terminology, then use it accurately.

Blogger Rough Carrigan January 29, 2020 12:26 AM  

Oh please. Don't take negative news about Buckley to mean positive things about Vidal. His books were mediocre. I read a couple because they were sitting around my parents' house when I was in high school. Burr and another one. Nothing special at all.

I didn't know who he was. I saw him on the tonight show and one or two others and it was almost unintentionally funny how he clearly thought he was the wittiest person alive even when he was saying nothing clever. The last couple times I saw him on tv his opinions were the farthest thing from honesty. They were fermented versions of his earlier opinions even a little more out of touch with the passage of time. Calling Gore Vidal brilliant and honest does disrespect to any proportions of praise.

Blogger Jack Amok January 29, 2020 12:41 AM  

Say what you will about Vidal, he was brilliant and he was honest. That is why Buckley, who was neither of those things, hated him.

Plus Vidal wouldn't sleep with him.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) January 29, 2020 1:08 AM  

62. CF Neal January 28, 2020 9:20 PM
Maybe it's just because I don't WANT to believe it?



have you ever read anything by Buckley?

nothing of merit will be lost.



55. Curlytop January 28, 2020 7:03 PM
What does that say about Limbaugh who idolizes or paid to-I have no clue-the man?



are you telling us that you're just now noticing that Limbaugh is a Boomer?

do i actually have to point out the obvious? BGB.

Blogger tublecane January 29, 2020 2:22 AM  

@72- Mediocre, okay. This reminds me of Salieri in Amadeus. He dubs himself the Patron Saint of Mediocrity. But he was comparing himself to Mozart. Salieri's music is still in circulation--among classical music aficionados at least--200 years after their composition. Barely any artist can ever make that claim.

I don't think anyone's suggesting Vidal was the American Tolstoy. He wrote highly readable novels which found a sizeable audience for the subject-matter. I mean, the Wilson administration ain't no 50 Shades.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 29, 2020 5:27 AM  

cheddarman wrote:You cant trust fags and they most always betray you. The old USSR KGB used that to their advantage repeatedly with the USA and Great Brittan

Makes me wonder if the Deep State's big problem with Trump is that he can't be blackmailed. The guy practically lived his life in the tabloids (mostly NY Post & Daily News). They couldn't control a guy with no secrets.

Blogger Michael D. January 29, 2020 5:53 AM  

I see you weren't forced to read his novels, bob. Nobody who read 'Julian' would ever accuse Vidal of being a honest actor.

Blogger Michael D. January 29, 2020 5:55 AM  

The movement built by sodomites and one-time Kojeve fanboys.

Blogger rumpole5 January 29, 2020 6:48 AM  

I guess that northeastern conservatism is somewhat like the British Royal Navy: "rum, sodomy, and the lash". Buckley certainly lashed as many (or more) right wingers than he did lefties. The older I get, the more sense the John Birchers seem to make.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 29, 2020 8:42 AM  

For at least 50 years, anyone given access to the Megaphone was part of the choreography. History, economics, monetary policy, etc., all of it was quite literally scripted as a means to control the very subjects about which you think.

My only question is whether the faggot/demon brigade goes all the way to the top, or if those who orchestrate this (like vast Dune-like tapeworms) just seek out the most-damaged among us to use as their agents.

It's frankly astonishing to witness the degree of disgusting degradation and evil in which people will engage in order to satisfy their desperate need to "belong." Normies simply cannot grasp the depth of depravity the broken people will reach to do so.

We have predators among us, and they rise like scum to the top of a large, anonymous and impersonal society such as now exists.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 9:17 AM  

@79

"The older I get, the more sense the John Birchers seem to make."

Eventually, you will realize that EVERYTHING that the John Birchers warned us of regarding follow-on effects of the left's policy proposals has come true. Without exception.

So, in light of that, what does this say about Buckley's determination to eliminate the John Birchers and all of their arguments and ideas from "polite society."

Contrary to Buckley's "stand astride the train tracks saying 'STOP!'" pose, the only logical conclusion is that Buckley's actual work was one of removing the barriers and turning the block-control signal from red (stop) to green (proceed).

Blogger TechieDude January 29, 2020 10:33 AM  

I found him unreadable as well. Long time ago I bought God and Man at Yale. It was a tough read.

That said, I find the practice of digging up a man's bones and declaring them homosexual abhorrent. What's the point? A big globohomo "Gabba Gabba one of us! one of us!

Blogger VD January 29, 2020 10:50 AM  

What's the point?

To further discredit the modern conservative movement in the eyes of people who are inclined to support it, not that more evidence is actually necessary.

Blogger MJ January 29, 2020 11:56 AM  

"The columns in particular being masterpieces in sounding educated and intellectual without ever saying much of anything at all."

Just as applicable to George Will

Blogger kudzu bob January 29, 2020 4:01 PM  

@Michael D
Indeed, nobody forced me to read Vidal's novels. Of my own volition, I have read about half of them, including Julian, and a great many of his essays, and I mean to read the remainder.

Blogger Falling January 30, 2020 12:56 AM  

I don't understand. It's a gossip site. A gossip site with a heck of a disclaimer at the bottom. Outside of animosity for the person in question, why would the website be considered reliable?

Blogger Keith January 30, 2020 2:45 AM  

>Outside of animosity for the person in question, why would the website be considered reliable?

Its track record is really, really good.

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