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Monday, January 06, 2020

US to withdraw from Iraq

Mike Cernovich reports that the US is officially ending the military occupation and withdrawing from Iraq.
U.S.-led coalition tells Iraqi military it will withdraw from Iraq out of respect for the nation's sovereignty
- Reuters
Trust the plan. No wonder the neocons weren't celebrating.

UPDATE: Confirmed.
The authenticity of the letter, which was addressed to the Iraqi defence ministry's Combined Joint Operations Baghdad, was confirmed to Reuters independently by an Iraqi military source.
UPDATE: The US Secretary of Defense denies the report.
The United States has no plans to pull out militarily from Iraq, Defense Secretary Mark Esper told Pentagon reporters on Monday, following reports by Reuters and other media of a U.S. military letter about a withdrawal. 

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140 Comments:

Blogger lowercaseb January 06, 2020 3:31 PM  

48 hour rule is proven again. Best thing I've learned in my tenure here.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov January 06, 2020 3:39 PM  

So, assassinate a globalist puppet masquerading as a Russian puppet and get kicked out Iraq?
Top KeK.

Blogger Crush Limbraw January 06, 2020 3:40 PM  

Hallelujah!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 06, 2020 3:42 PM  

God be praised

Where is your anti war now, Democrats?

Blogger Dr Caveman January 06, 2020 3:43 PM  

Two birds, one stone
1) kill Iranian terrorist mastermind
2) gain plausible excuse to withdraw from Iraq

Genius, and once again the 48 hr rule applies

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 3:44 PM  

Watch how quickly they pivot from "OMG, TRUMP JUST STARTED WWIII!" to "OMG, TRUMP IS ABANDONING OUR LOYAL ALLIES IN IRAQ!"

Blogger Submitted2Christ January 06, 2020 3:44 PM  

Trump is light years ahead of the goofball dems.

"These people are stupid" -Q

Blogger 351wsl January 06, 2020 3:45 PM  

Damn. President Trump may be the most intelligent president ever.

It's amazing how many times he's underestimated.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 3:46 PM  

Lol probably true. Israel will be pissed, it lessens our ability to jam the Shia crescent

Blogger Just_George January 06, 2020 3:47 PM  

Woohoo! Thank you Lord Jesus! Related: "Iran, What's Next" Jack Hibbs on Youtube

Blogger Up from the pond January 06, 2020 3:48 PM  

"U.S.-led coalition tells Iraqi military it will withdraw from Iraq out of respect for the nation's sovereignty."

Oh no! What will happen to the Great Game?

Blogger Joe January 06, 2020 3:50 PM  

@2 You will be correct! No doubt about it!
If things continue to play out as it appears they are going, it will become apparent to everyone how clever Trump is.
He's freaky smart

Blogger Rajadog20 January 06, 2020 3:51 PM  

Amazing. Hopefully this is good news. Where will they be "repositioned" as the article says?

Blogger Crew January 06, 2020 3:53 PM  

I knew this was coming as soon as I saw the article about the Iraqis voting on it.

Promises Kept!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 06, 2020 3:55 PM  

That also means no war in Iran.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 06, 2020 3:56 PM  

There will be wars and rumors of war

Blogger Up from the pond January 06, 2020 3:56 PM  

Assuming Trump sees reason and the U.S. leaves Iraq now, we will soon see "Neville Chamberlain," a British PM in the 1930s, trend on Twitter and in other social media shitholes. Der Ewige Boomer never sleeps.

Blogger Justin Bailey January 06, 2020 3:57 PM  

I’m still not tired of winning.

Blogger Silent Draco January 06, 2020 3:58 PM  

Bring them all home, and let shake the dust off boots as they leave.

Tear down and remove the bases, and ship the equipment and materials back. That should take care of making a big, beautiful wall.

Freeze all remaining funds for theater, obligated or not. Time for some forensic accounting. Let's see whose hands are caught in the jar.

Blogger Manuel January 06, 2020 3:59 PM  

...and John Bolton cried.

Blogger Crew January 06, 2020 4:04 PM  

Afghanistan next!

Blogger cecilhenry January 06, 2020 4:04 PM  

Now this I like to hear!!

This too:


Dear Neocons:


https://imgur.com/TREJWA9.jpg

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 06, 2020 4:05 PM  

Makes sense to me. Why prolong what was an unnecessary operation by taking care of a common irritant, feigning ignorance by saying, "Oops, our bad. We'll get out of your hair." and just leaving it at that?

Can't start a war against Iran if you don't provide a front for Iran.

Blogger RobertDWood January 06, 2020 4:07 PM  

Landslide 2020.

Blogger Salt January 06, 2020 4:08 PM  

And to think Schiff wants to open a congressional discussion about Trump's mideast meanderings.

Blogger Crush Limbraw January 06, 2020 4:10 PM  

Oops - should have waited another two days before shouting Hallelujah!

Blogger Steb January 06, 2020 4:12 PM  

Cernovich must be the best placed man on Earth to launch his own news network.

Blogger Bernard Brandt January 06, 2020 4:15 PM  

For perhaps the last posting I will be making on this forum, I offer something I posted elsewhere a couple of days ago, after the kacking of the Iranian terrorist:

I suspect that the present action chosen by our Prez. is in reaction to the drone bombing of the Saudi oil facility a few months ago.
I also suspect that that reaction by T. is guided by the following considerations and conjectures:

1) his military options are limited, by the fact that after the eight years of the demoralization and demobilization of the U.S. military under Prez. O, T's use of conventional forces would likely cause such forces to break like a sword in his hand;

2) on the other hand, special forces such as the Army Rangers, Green Beret, and Navy Seals still retain their traditional discipline. That, together with the technological developments in unmanned drones and cruise missiles suggest that such special forces and such technologies would be T's weapons of choice.

3) while this last is entirely conjecture on my part, I would hope that in the three years since he was elected, T would have taken the opportunity to sift through his alleged 'intelligence' community to find sources of information and military intelligence which might actually assist him.

4) I would note that some reports indicate T's willingness not only to listen to his generals and 'intelligence' officers, but to the enlisted men and special forces men under his command.

5) finally, I would note that T has, in the past four years, displayed both the willingness and ability to look at battles before him in an unconventional and unexpected way, both during his Presidential campaign, and later, in dealing with a fractious press and administrative state.

Considering all of those factors, I suspect that with the hand that he has presently been given, it would be wise for T to take the following actions:

A. A combined policy of removing conventional forces from potential battlegrounds such as Iraq and Syria, with pinpoint attacks, using special forces and advanced technology, not upon the hands that wreak violence and terror, but upon the heads that plan it. Thus, the presently vulnerable conventional forces would be removed from an assymetrical warfare battlefield, and more powerful players could act pro-actively, and not, as we have been doing for several decades now, playing catch up ball. If this indeed is his plan, expect both further conventional troop withdrawals, and incisive use of special forces and technology.

B. That willingness to attack the head, rather than the hands, may extend to direct drone strikes and special forces against the Iranian leaders themselves. If so, then expect more attacks directly against leaders of the Iran Revolutionary Guard in Teheran and Qom.

C. It would appears that the recent pinpoint drone and missile attacks of the Saudi oil refineries were directed by Iran, and for the purpose of showing Iranian developments in those fields. Fine. On the principle that several players can play the same game, expect, as war escalates in Iran, that similar U.S. actions could take place, not simply to show what could be done, but entirely to halt Iranian oil production. As it is estimated that U.S. domestic oil production was at 91% by 2016, and T has been busy making sure we have had improvements since that time, the effect of an effective oil shutdown in the Persian Gulf would be far less of a problem for the U.S. than it would be for, say, Russia, or China. Expect negotiations to be handled accordingly.

In short, if T is in fact the cagy dealer that he claims to be, there is every potential for him to make use of this hand to be successful against Iran.

Of course, if the whole thing escalates from there to direct war between the U.S. and China/Russia, all bets are off. We might as well kiss our collective tuchus goodbye in that case.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 06, 2020 4:17 PM  

Wow, just like that.

Next we’ll be reading about crop dusters spraying Roundup in Afghanistan.

Outstanding!

Blogger Lance E January 06, 2020 4:18 PM  

Remember the whole "wait 3 days" principle? Yeah, that's still a thing.

Blogger Eincrou January 06, 2020 4:18 PM  

The calling off of the war has been called off.

"Defense Secretary Esper says U.S. has no plans to pull out of Iraq"

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1214292680781512707

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 4:21 PM  

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?!?!?!

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2020 4:31 PM  

Exposure to the internet has caused me to be skeptical of any news that seems too good to be true. So lets let this thing mature before we jump on the bandwagon.

Blogger Freddy Sea January 06, 2020 4:36 PM  

This is music to my ears. Bring our boys home!

Blogger Robert Browning January 06, 2020 4:39 PM  

Sounds like a trick.

Blogger Mr Smith January 06, 2020 4:41 PM  

This exactly how you deal with a backassword frontier like the ME. Old west, American frontier justice. Kill the a-hole threatening you then come home.

RAMZPAUL and Scott Greer need to STFU, crying over a dead Iranian, they didn't see this playing out at all.

Blogger thalios January 06, 2020 4:42 PM  

It's being reported that SecDef Esper is saying no plans to withdraw. Hmmm... I fucking trust nothing at this point except that official story is a lie.

Blogger Rajadog20 January 06, 2020 4:47 PM  

Perhaps he wasn't kept in the loop, for many possible reasons. The letter has been verified and I doubt the general did it without orders.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira January 06, 2020 4:49 PM  

Great news. I hope they will all come home to their families.

Blogger Noah B. January 06, 2020 5:04 PM  

Those responsible for preparing the Iraq withdrawal letter have just been sacked.

Blogger Sir William Bradford January 06, 2020 5:14 PM  

I hope that is true... I’ll believe it when I see it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 06, 2020 5:16 PM  

UPDATE: The US Secretary of Defense denies the report.
Believe no rumor until it's denied.

The Secretary of Defense is not in the loop? We may soon get a new Secretary of Defense.

On the other hand, the letter said they are ``... repositioning forces over the course of the coming days and weeks to prepare for onward movement.''

Onward movement is not quite the same as withdrawal.

Blogger Caffeineforge January 06, 2020 5:16 PM  

"Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdl Mahdi has now officially revealed that the US had asked him to mediate between the US and Iran and that General Qassem Soleimani to come and talk to him and give him the answer to his mediation efforts. Thus, Soleimani was on an OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC MISSION as part of a diplomatic initiative INITIATED BY THE USA."

Big if true. I mean, the red wedding was a great scene, but remakes are never quite as good.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 06, 2020 5:18 PM  

From Xin-Hua (which means Chinese view this as a significant smoke signal):"U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday threatened to impose harsh sanctions on Iraq after the war-torn country's parliament passed a resolution urging the government to expel foreign troops.

"If they do ask us to leave, if we don't do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they've never seen before ever. It'll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame," Trump told reporters on Air Force One.

"We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that's there. It costs billions of dollars to build ... We're not leaving unless they pay us back for it," he added.


I'm translating that as Trump wants something big from the Iraqis in exchange for pulling out.

Or possibly, the smoke signal is meant for Tehran.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 06, 2020 5:19 PM  

C'mon, now. The NeoCons aren't going to let us get out of Iraq, lol.
Not happening

Blogger xevious2030 January 06, 2020 5:19 PM  

"We respect your sovereign decision to order our departure."

Joke, mistake, covering all the bases pile of drafts, whatever, it's an odd letter.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 5:20 PM  

>globalist puppet

That narrative makes no sense in this regard

Blogger Nate January 06, 2020 5:21 PM  

what do we say? Wait three days. As soon as the dust from the explosion the talk about Iraq asking us to leave started.

There is no reason to think that such a reaction was completely unpredictable.

While I am not one to rave about Trump's amazing 4D chess abilities... this to me looks like it was planned and things have gone precisely as he wanted it to go.

Blogger Keith January 06, 2020 5:22 PM  

>was confirmed to Reuters independently by an Iraqi military source.

Haha they probably showed it to some Iraqi soldier who said “yeah, that sounds great” and Reuters just ran with it

Blogger Gettimothy January 06, 2020 5:30 PM  

If Trump ever opens an amusement park I am steering well clear of the dad-gummed roller coaster

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 5:34 PM  

I love roller coasters. I just wish the idiots in the car in front of me would quit vomiting.

Blogger Jake January 06, 2020 5:35 PM  

The only thing I am able to say is that I have wisely adhered to Vox's rule: wait 48 hours before judging.

And I do not even believe, absent more evidence, that old Solomeini is dead. They lie about literally everything, from the Gulf of Tonkin to the Moon Landings to 9/11.

Faking S's assassination (with his cooperation) would be far easier than any of those.

Regardless, I don't know what's really going on.

I do know that if the USA is leaving Iraq, that will be a major win for Nationalism, anti-Evil Empirism, and good versus evil.

Blogger Salt January 06, 2020 5:35 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:I'm translating that as Trump wants something big from the Iraqis in exchange for pulling out.

Or possibly, the smoke signal is meant for Tehran.


The 100+ billion Obama sent Iran in cash.

Blogger Nate January 06, 2020 5:37 PM  

the Deep State denial is hilarious... "no no.. it was just umm... its just a draft!"

oh ok.. so... who drafted a letter about that? and why? The fact that there is a draft is in and of itself newsworthy.

Blogger anorganicbear January 06, 2020 5:38 PM  

I know how we can solve this: send all of our illegal Mexicans over to Iraq instead of troops. They'll be so prosperous with all the new doctors and lawyers that they won't have time to think about war.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 5:41 PM  

My assumption would be that he wants continued military access to this base and all necessary support

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 06, 2020 5:44 PM  

Nate wrote:the Deep State denial is hilarious... "no no.. it was just umm... its just a draft!"

oh ok.. so... who drafted a letter about that? and why? The fact that there is a draft is in and of itself newsworthy.



Status: True.

Speaking as somebody who did his time in staff hell, I guarantee that that letter went through at least thirty drafts. And was signed off on by every J-shop tangentially connected with it in the Puzzle Palace, before it became an "official draft."

Blogger Emmanuel January 06, 2020 5:53 PM  

Why is there a Freemasonic Pyramid at the Iranian Parliament building and another at the Knesset?

One big FreeMasonic Globalist Club - The fabricated world of smoke and mirrors.

Blogger Balkan Yankee January 06, 2020 6:00 PM  

@44: My .02 worth. That's Trump's explanation to his supporters why we are not leaving Iraq any time soon, and when we do, it will be on his terms, and his terms alone. IOW, Trump will not accept anything less than an honorable exit from Iraq.

The U.S. imperial presence in the region was not built overnight and it will not be dismantled overnight unless a stronger opponent, or combination of opponents, can force us out.

Blogger RedJack January 06, 2020 6:03 PM  

Speculating
Is this two factions of .gov having it out? The Military and State?

If so, is it because the Military foresees great need of them being stateside VERY soon, and the StateD has great need of them being NOT stateside very soon?

Feels very End of the Roman Republic about it.

On a personal note, I hope the US does leave. Let ME, Africa, Asia, all rot and go home.

Get our people home. Burn it as we leave.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 06, 2020 6:04 PM  

We're pulling out of Iraq this year, regardless of any Deep State operations. Afghanistan will soon follow. Trump was never interested in war and the Cabal loses tons of money when those two military actions cease.

Blogger kudzu bob January 06, 2020 6:15 PM  

Who is in control of the US military?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 6:20 PM  

Neocons losing their minds: Bolton offers his tesitmony against Trump.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment/bolton-says-he-is-willing-to-testify-in-trump-impeachment-trial-idUSKBN1Z510V

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 06, 2020 6:26 PM  

Herein lies now the real battle with the deep state.
It's not the United States occupying Iraq, it's the deep state.

Things are going to get really interesting. All I hope is that Trump takes a podium, calls up the militia to seize all federal offices and assets, and declares himself GE.

Blogger Clay January 06, 2020 6:30 PM  

The White House intends to address Congress about the threat(s) Suelisalami was poised to "unleash" upon us. I don't know if it will full Congress, or public.

The WH should be preemptively planning for the massive leaks that may ensure, with the ability to show where these leaks originated, and reported to the People.

Then, he can say with a straight face, "with security like this, I couldn't afford the risk to inform Congress before the strike. I only had a few hours to decide...damn sure not to debate."

Blogger Primus Pilus January 06, 2020 6:35 PM  

Bernard Brandt wrote:2) on the other hand, special forces such as the Army Rangers, Green Beret, and Navy Seals still retain their traditional discipline.

Someone missed all the news stories this year about the shitbag team of hispanic SEALs who lied to tried to get their Chief Petty Officer convicted of war crimes because he tried to instill some rudimentary discipline in their team.

The rot runs very, very deep at this point.

Blogger Crew January 06, 2020 6:48 PM  

I think the GE is going to win here.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) January 06, 2020 6:50 PM  

42. Ominous Cowherd January 06, 2020 5:16 PM
Onward movement is not quite the same as withdrawal.



they're advancing onward to the rear.

come ON, you have to have heard that one before.



44. Cataline Sergius January 06, 2020 5:18 PM
I'm translating that as Trump wants something big from the Iraqis in exchange for pulling out.


it's almost as if you've never heard of Br'er Rabbit.

i mean, sure, he'll be glad to have the Iraqis pay us to leave if he can wangle that.

but if the goal was pretext to withdraw from Iraq?

which was ONE OF TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN PROMISES.

AND THIS IS HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN YEAR.


54. Nate January 06, 2020 5:37 PM
oh ok.. so... who drafted a letter about that? and why? The fact that there is a draft


what makes a draft, NOT a draft?

when it gets formally sent to the other nation.

which the Iraqis are claiming has happened.


remember, according to the NYT, Trump's Derp State advisors are in the habit of giving him "extreme options", in order to make THEIR preferred course of action more palatable to Trump.

what if Trump just ran a Br'er Rabbit gambit on, not just Iraq, but on the Derp State? and the Derpartment of State for good measure.

Blogger Balam January 06, 2020 6:51 PM  

@Cataline Sergius
''I'm translating that as Trump wants something big from the Iraqis in exchange for pulling out.''

It could also be that he wants to separate the Iraqi government and the US government in everyone's minds. If the Iraqi leadership are seen as US puppets they won't last two months when the US pulls out since the civilians will side with ISIS against them. If, on the other hand, it looks like a real diplomatic fistocuffs between Trump and the Iraqi government then the Iraqis get street cred amongst their own people. ''We got the US to leave when ISIS couldn't, and you saw the fight we had with Trump live on ESPN for you''.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 06, 2020 7:17 PM  

Remember when we killed Osama Bin Laden and then when asked for evidence the (Obama) government told us they gave him a burial at sea for security reasons?

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 06, 2020 7:24 PM  

Remember when "4D chess" was a punchline?

Blogger Brett baker January 06, 2020 7:25 PM  

Paraquat is better for poppies.

Blogger Enwar January 06, 2020 7:44 PM  

If anyone is looking for a good book to read on this subject; namely, relations between the Western World and Islam, I suggest Sword and Scimitar by Raymond Ibrahim (a Coptic Christian). It's very well-written and easy to read, and filled with information, backed up by many first-hand sources, both Christian and Muslim. I very strongly suggest it.

Blogger tublecane January 06, 2020 7:49 PM  

This may be a personal thing, but I find it sad that withdrawal would need be so roundabout and full of subterfuge. Especially considering how unpopular are Mid-East adventures. I know, I know. That's not what decides anything.

What powers there are arrayed against us, at least they could do me the courtesy of talking like the Portuguese, for instance, in Africa during the European surrender in the 60s. If we're gonna have empire, might as well have the old prerogatives. With territorial governors and janissaries and whatnot.

The amount of dishonesty involved is staggering. But I guess it's been that way since we started pretending we're not imperialists. The FDR administration or whenever.

Blogger Jay Will January 06, 2020 8:15 PM  

Coordinated.

Blogger Macs January 06, 2020 8:18 PM  

Assassinating leaders of a country we are not at war with is terrorism plain and simple. We wouldn't want those tactics used against us.

Blogger Jay Will January 06, 2020 8:21 PM  

Unveil!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 8:24 PM  

Max wrote:Assassinating leaders of a country we are not at war with is terrorism plain and simple. We wouldn't want those tactics used against us.
Wherever did you get the idea that we are not at war with Iran?
Those tactics, and much much worse, are used against us every day by Jihadis.

Blogger tublecane January 06, 2020 8:29 PM  

@76- There are various complicating factors, as you well know. But I object to the use of terrorism here. Because it should be reserved for attacks against civilians/innocents.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 06, 2020 8:43 PM  

Did some of those pallets of cash fund a lifetime supply of mustache wax?

Blogger Sicilian switchblade January 06, 2020 8:43 PM  

For some reason my sympathy for war mongering leaders of countries who would likely never have to see combat in a conventional war being droned doesn't exactly make me tear up.

Maybe if these "world leaders" knew there was a potential target on THEIR back as opposed to the cannon fodder AKA infantry in the event of pissing off the wrong person, they wouldnt be so quick to pull the trigger on going to war.

I don't see this as a negative at all

Blogger jarheadljh January 06, 2020 8:45 PM  

tublecane wrote:This may be a personal thing, but I find it sad that withdrawal would need be so roundabout and full of subterfuge. Especially considering how unpopular are Mid-East adventures. I know, I know. That's not what decides anything....

The amount of dishonesty involved is staggering. But I guess it's been that way since we started pretending we're not imperialists. The FDR administration or whenever.


Trump is supposed to be an American Nationalist, by his own words. This is an opportunity for him to hop up on a soapbox and speak of the importance of national sovereignty, and then declare that the US will honor the sovereignty of the Iraqi parliament and begin withdrawal of the military occupation forces as requested "because it's their country"(just guessing on the phraseology his speechwriter will use). The first principle of leadership is that you first demonstrate that which you are about to demand of others, and if the oft repeated rumors of his plans to neuter that central bank is anything to go by, he's going to be demanding a lot.

Of course, that's assuming that he intends to leave Iraq. Kind of an important detail that needs to be nailed down one way or another.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 06, 2020 8:48 PM  

We wouldn't want those tactics used against us.

What are you, five years old? This is international power politics, not a game of Simon Says.

And newsflash, dumbass, 'those tactics' have been used against us for a long time now. Is September 11 already ancient forgotten history?

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2020 8:49 PM  

Max wrote:Assassinating leaders of a country we are not at war with is terrorism plain and simple. We wouldn't want those tactics used against us.

Just to address it from the above comment because it is available, the culture of the Middle East is different from our European culture, and as a result our way of thinking about things doesn't fit theirs. Because of Islam the practice of terrorism is baked into the cake, and as they have put out a reward for killing Trump, they have no reluctance killing foreign leaders. Learned pretty quick, don't ya think? Or were they like that all along?

By my lights these state sponsored acts of terror should have always been regarded as acts of war, and one appropriate response would be to declare war against the state that sponsored the act of terror. Then do whatever degree of damage needs to be done to get them to deist from acts of terror. That would be us making war in the manner in which we are accustomed. Instead, by not going to war, we surrender to interstate aggression in the manner that they are accustomed to, and that favors their side because they are better at it.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 06, 2020 8:53 PM  

Trump knows he's not going to get money from the Iraqi government.
But he made the demand to set the narrative that we owe them nothing after we're gone.
Trump is reaching levels of Baller that I didn't think possible.

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 06, 2020 8:56 PM  

Trial balloon?

Blogger JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 9:00 PM  

But that would be such a farcical lie

Blogger Brant Thacker January 06, 2020 9:17 PM  

When was the last time we had a leader assassinated? It’s certainly not every day. We aren’t at war with Iran. What are you talking about?

Blogger Lazarus January 06, 2020 9:29 PM  

kudzu bob wrote:Who is in control of the US military?

Who is in control of anything anymore?

Blogger Didas Kalos January 06, 2020 9:52 PM  

@Ska Boss. The more rumours the better.

Blogger Didas Kalos January 06, 2020 9:56 PM  

Oy vey!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 9:57 PM  

Brant Thacker wrote:We aren’t at war with Iran.
We have been at war with Iran for 40 years now. They declared war on us in 1979, and have been fighting it every day since. What hole do you live in?

Blogger Stilicho January 06, 2020 10:04 PM  

The trolls and shills are out in force since suliman was killed. Trump really upset their applecart and now looks poised to set it on fire.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 06, 2020 10:05 PM  

@92, no, Snidely, Iran has been at war with us for 40 years now. Mostly we've been ignoring the pinpricks, pretending it isn't so. Fools like Brant the Goose believe the pretense.

Blogger Lazarus January 06, 2020 10:09 PM  

Interesting photo montage:

Iranian connections

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 06, 2020 10:13 PM  

furor kek tonicus ( ve haff vays uf makink du laff, in accordance with all ordnung ) wrote:42. Ominous Cowherd January 06, 2020 5:16 PM

Onward movement is not quite the same as withdrawal.


they're advancing onward to the rear.

come ON, you have to have heard that one before.

Advance to the rear was a repeated punchline in some Spaghetti Western comedy I watched 50 years ago. Every time the cavalry would run away, that's what they called it.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 10:18 PM  

Sicilian Switchblade, that applies more to countries that are the perpetual aggressor, like the US.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 10:20 PM  

If we stopped supporting Israel and cutting them off from the world economy, they wouldn't need to be.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 10:31 PM  

JohnofAustria wrote:If we stopped supporting Israel and cutting them off from the world economy, they wouldn't need to be.
What makes you think "need" has anything to do with it?

Blogger Sam Gem January 06, 2020 11:15 PM  

From what I've gathered from the qresearch board, the MSM is pushing this narrative of an withdrawal from Iraq because the deep state has lost control of the situation. They are trying to drum up public support for leaving.

The assassination of Iran's top general and others seems to have been a shock to the deep state and Iran. They didn't expect it, they thought they were protected. Trump must have lulled them into a false sense of security somehow. This may have something to do with all the Pentagon officials and the Principal Deputy Undersecretary resignations lately. Trump could have used them and then forced them to resign. Go to https://qmap.pub/resignations to see the ridiculous amount of resignations going on lately.

Trump is making a big show, very strong. He's not bluffing and Iran knows this now. When they fully realize that the deep state can no longer protect them and that Trump is not fucking around, they will be forced to the negotiating table. Russia is not going to help, China isn't either. John Kerry's assurances are wearing thin. Iran's population is also awakening, and will put even more pressure on them.

Trump is making it clear that the patriots are now in control. Negotiate or die.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 06, 2020 11:24 PM  

Maybe if the US leaves, Christians can stop being murdered in the middle east. I'd take that chance.

Blogger Sam Gem January 06, 2020 11:28 PM  

Wrong link, most up to date resignations list is here:

https://www.resignation.info/

Today we had Eric Chewning, U.S. Department of Defense chief of staff to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and U.S. State Department Ambassador to Afghanistan John Bass.

Blogger Brant Thacker January 06, 2020 11:34 PM  

When did we declare war on them?

Blogger maniacprovost January 06, 2020 11:36 PM  

Assassinating leaders of a country we are not at war with is terrorism plain and simple. We wouldn't want those tactics used against us.

Yes we would. I would very much prefer for Iran to attack our politicians and 4 star generals, rather than enlisted soldiers.

Blogger Vaughan Williams January 06, 2020 11:38 PM  

The statement about Muslims being either "at your throat or at your feet", reminds me of the Barbary wars. Perhaps having some sort of irritating presence in the Middle East is the price of peace on the North American continent. Like a lightning rod, controlling where the lightning hits.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 06, 2020 11:42 PM  

Anybody notice how the "enemy people" are activated now and are pro-Iran? They got flushed out. There's no going back for them. The democrats are silent because the think tanks need time to regroup. Bolton is going to go turbo-moustache against Trump because that's practically his identity.
This is very fun to watch. I wish I could be concerned for the future and safety and all that. But that seems boring.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2020 11:55 PM  

Brant Thacker wrote:When did we declare war on them?
You needed a lot more beatings as a child. Then you'd understand that it may take two to tango, but war can be unilateral.

Blogger Nathan Hornok January 06, 2020 11:59 PM  

Cernovich reports, then it's confirmed, then it's contradicted. I don't know what is really going on other than it looks like our government is having a behind the scenes civil war. That said, it sure would be great if we could leave. Please, oh please.

Blogger Hieroglyph January 07, 2020 12:08 AM  

I recall a Nixon quote, where he supposedly told a student 'I would if I could' when pressed about withdrawal. One wonders if GE has faced outright rebellion when attempting to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. As ever, the little people don't get to know.

It's certainly intriguing that we have, within a very short period of time, mixed messages. The internal civil war must be pretty brutal, albeit (mostly) non-violent. Non-violent for now of course, the boogaloo may yet transpire.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 07, 2020 12:16 AM  

"But I guess it's been that way since we started pretending we're not imperialists. The FDR administration or whenever."

The Lincoln administration.

Blogger Trading EWP January 07, 2020 12:22 AM  

For over 80 or so years you have been under control of the Chosen people. Why do you like to bear their crimes in the name of your own children! It makes no sense.

Blogger Unknownsailor January 07, 2020 12:32 AM  

xevious2030 wrote:"We respect your sovereign decision to order our departure."

Joke, mistake, covering all the bases pile of drafts, whatever, it's an odd letter.

Yes, it is, and it is NOT signed, which gives the example I've seen floating around the internet no weight at all. Someone went to the trouble to type it up, yes, but without a signature at the bottom it means absolutely nothing.

I've typed up military letters and memorandums, and until they are signed they are not binding.

Blogger Jack Amok January 07, 2020 12:33 AM  

When did we declare war on them?

Don't let yourself get agitated Thacker, the train is still fine.

Really, it's fine. It's fine. Soleimani wasn't riding on the train. It's fine.

Just... eat your paste.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit January 07, 2020 1:42 AM  

The internal civil war must be pretty brutal, albeit (mostly) non-violent.

So who won this round with Ukraine corruption, Hunter-Biden, and Quid Pro Joe, all of which were spreading even into normally solid democrat outlets shoved into the background while the BS about Trump doing this to distract attention from his impeachment gaining traction?

Blogger Silly but True January 07, 2020 2:11 AM  

What other than “globalist puppet” better describes Iran sucking the teet of Russia to counter US interests throughout the world, primarily as facilitated through a direct alliance with Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil — along with support through Uruguay, Chile, Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago, and Suriname — for recruiting and financial support and engaging US forces militarily through Iran-backed proxies throughout multiple Arab states?

Blogger Silly but True January 07, 2020 2:29 AM  

“Bolton offers his tesitmony against Trump” is not the same thing as “Bolton willing to testify in Trump impeachment trial.”

Bolton would be the control case for pervasiveness of TDS. OOH, they hate Bolton and have harangued his life for nearly two decades — something which Bolton knows. OTOH, Bolton is the textbook definition of neo-con.

That he’s managed to convince Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to scream at the top of their lungs to convince Romney and Murkowski to subpoena his testimony makes me suspect Bolton and Trump have already conspired that his testimony before Senate on camera will be comprised of “You dumb f’ers, of course there was no quid pro quo.”

Yes, he is a neocon, so there’s always the chance he hates Trump more though.

Blogger Sicilian switchblade January 07, 2020 3:23 AM  

JohnofAustria: I in no way exclude the U.S. in anything I wrote. War criminals all over should sit up and pay attention regardless of which flag they sit under. There was a time when if a king wouldn't go to war and fight with his men it would be a dishonor, now rulers point and sit from afar while the peasants go off to die.

Blogger tublecane January 07, 2020 4:10 AM  

@103- When did we declare war on anyone, post 1941?

Blogger tublecane January 07, 2020 4:14 AM  

@109- I remember that being a part of the Oliver Stone movie, an example of one of his pet themes: we're not really a democracy. Which is true, far as it goes.

Absent from that movie, as I recall it, is Nixon's direct fight against the Deep State (while using Deep State and ex-Deep State people, of course). The reason they called it the Imperialist Presidency. You know, the "Supercabinet" and all that.

Blogger tublecane January 07, 2020 4:18 AM  

@110- In the Republican Era, 1860-1932 roughly, you could be open and honest about imperial intentions. See FDR's great nationalist/imperialist cousin Teddy. Or the "China Market," Cuban war, Filipino war, etc. The Wilson administration went all Managerial State/ world government in thangs, I suppose.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) January 07, 2020 4:27 AM  

98. JohnofAustria January 06, 2020 10:20 PM
If we stopped supporting Israel and cutting them off from the world economy, they wouldn't need to be.



oh, this is going to be good.

explain to me how the US is "cutting off" Israel from the world economy.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit January 07, 2020 4:27 AM  

@111

"For over 80 or so years you have been under control of the Chosen people."

Meh, you assume, The Powers That Shouldn't Be aren't on the same page as the Chosen People without any encouragement. The US is neck deep in people who claim to be Christian but who live by what the Talmud teaches rather than by what the Bible teaches while at the same time complaining about CPs having so much influence.

I understand your POV and realize that the Chosen People have a disproportionate amount of influence, but look at the bright side. You, too, can donate to an appropriate Christian Zionist group and then be not only invited to a Chosen People Gala for Gullible Goys, but as a guest even be allowed to wear a small hat. Just think of all the information you could gather to help you answer your own question.

Blogger Lazarus January 07, 2020 4:47 AM  

Coherent analysis, IMHO.

Thanks to Trump, the Forty-Year Appeasement of Iran Is OverBy assassinating Soleimani, President Trump has broken with the conventional wisdom regarding the need to appease Iran in its covert war against the U.S. However, 9/11 was a game-changer that has not been properly acknowledged by the USA. The present administration has been taking a more proactive and pro-America policy line in foreign affairs. Diplomatic flatulence has been replaced by a policy of emphatic diligence in behalf of our safety and prosperity. Emphatic diligence means more pushback against foreign policies that send mixed messages about our commitment to stand against political or economic tyrannies. Pushback is affirmed by the Trump administration, but not desire for conquest.

Bad deals and bad players in our world often are disguised as being multilateral and thus serving a wider good. But those depictions such as TPP, NAFTA, the Iran deal, the Paris Climate Accords, WTO trade deals with the People's Republic of China, and even to some degree NATO can be self-serving to placate the crowd that loves being served hors d'oeuvres by fawning servants in Geneva, Brussels, and other prestigious capitals.

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Blogger Akulkis January 07, 2020 5:45 AM  

@103

"When did we declare war on them?"

When did Poland declare war on Nazi Germany?

Blogger jkmack January 07, 2020 5:52 AM  

Can we hang John Kerry for consorting with the enemy, Iran, yet. Just one hanging, thats all i want, of a cabinet level or above member of the obama admin, is that too much to ask?

Blogger Silly but True January 07, 2020 7:01 AM  

General Soleimani responsible for killing 32 and wounding a hundred more:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-stampede-soleimani-dead-injured-kerman-mourners.amp

#toosoon

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 07, 2020 7:45 AM  

but without a signature at the bottom it means absolutely nothing.

And yet things are happening. The existence of the letter is rhetoric; the signature is dialectic.

Blogger Avalanche January 07, 2020 8:09 AM  

@112 "until they are signed they are not binding."

Would that not then make it likely to BE a trial balloon? Offer a piece of 'bring 'em home' cake to the American people -- and watch them scream and grasp and claw and wail to have it. And then watch them look around in wonder and hope as they realize each of us is NOT alone -- and nearly all of us WANT our military to come home!

And then check the surveillance on the DS .... there's not a word horrific enough for them .... so, check the surveillance on the DS and see as *they* begin to realize THEY are alone; THEY are very very few and their perfidy is becoming known -- and we. don't. like. it.

We didn't get 'vote' our young men into Iraq and Afghanistan.... but looks like maybe the God Emperor is giving us a version of: we DO get vote our troops OUT!

Can't remember where I read it (Van Creveld, maybe? Kratman?); it's the opposite of the WWII yellow star markers: if they forced all of us 'Unauthorized' to wear some marker, we'd suddenly realize there are waaaay more of us than them; AND we're not pencil-neck weenies and small hats!!

Blogger Avalanche January 07, 2020 8:20 AM  

@123 " However, 9/11 was a game-changer that has not been properly acknowledged by the USA."

Uh... So... Are you're suggesting, or agreeing with the suggester, that is was Iran that "moved" SAUDI's to allegedly fly into our skyscrapers? Somehow, Saudi hands moving the chess pieces always get covered for or covered over or flat ignored. Saudi funding all the Wahabi terrorist recruiting centers being built in EVERY SINGLE Western country? Saudi princelings 'internal' war being fought with and over a weapons cache in a Las Vegas hotel using a concert-full of Americans as cover? You DO remember, don't you, that supposed planner-in-a-cave Osama bin Laden WAS SAUDI?!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 07, 2020 8:44 AM  

Unknownsailor wrote:I've typed up military letters and memorandums, and until they are signed they are not binding.
Until they were signed, you were free to send them off to anyone in Iraq, because until they were signed, they weren't binding - right?

The interesting thing is not whether the letter was binding, the interesting thing is whether it was actually sent from a US source. Haven't seen any credible suggestion that it wasn't.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 07, 2020 8:46 AM  

It's fun that the silly goose troll has chosen a screen name meaning goose.

Blogger Jimmy Rustler January 07, 2020 8:54 AM  

The level of plan-trusting here is comical now.

Blogger Silly but True January 07, 2020 9:43 AM  

One can quibble about the semantics, but the operative language of US Public Law 107-243 (2002) Sec. 3 declared:
“The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to — ... [some reasons & parameters]”

Blogger Unknown January 07, 2020 1:28 PM  

so u.s. is still not going to withdraw from iraq?...wow..whats with the "trust the plan" and "good eperor"

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 07, 2020 1:46 PM  

"The level of plan-trusting here is comical now."

Jimmy rustler jimmy rustling.

Blogger John Bradley January 07, 2020 2:48 PM  

So nice of all these new users to stop by and grace us with their idiotic thoughts on the matters of the day. Lord knows there's nowhere else on the internet to hear the geopolitical ramblings of the ill-informed room-temperature-iq crowd. It's truly a blessing, and a window into a different reality. Who knew "the man on the street" was such a big fan of America's enemies?

Blogger patlalrique January 07, 2020 6:54 PM  

update jan 07th : Iran has bombarded 2 American base in Irak : https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/rockets-us-airbase-iraq/index.html

Blogger Brant Thacker January 07, 2020 8:10 PM  

I’m surprised a neocon like yourself reads this blog.

Blogger Akulkis January 08, 2020 2:56 AM  

Brant Thacker

What do you think about Reagan's response to the night club bombing in Germany?

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