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Wednesday, February 12, 2020

I blame galactic warming

It should be interesting to see how the globalists attempt to make use of the possibility that Betelgeuse will go supernova in the near-future:
Betelgeuse is a gigantic red supergiant star that was the 10th brightest star in the sky as recently as 2019. But over the past few months it has dimmed so dramatically it's now ranked 24th, and it has astronomers wondering if it might be ready to burst in a spectacular supernova explosion.

Edward Guinan and other astronomers from Villanova University shared a brief update on Betelgeuse over the weekend, reporting it's now about one full magnitude fainter than it was in September. Magnitude is the scale of brightness astronomers assign to objects in the night sky. Put another way, this change in scale means that Betelgeuse was about 2.5 times brighter in September than it is right now.

"The most recent photometric observations indicate that Betelgeuse is currently the least luminous and coolest yet measured from our 25 years of photometry," the astronomers write.
It should be amusing to hear the Gretard ranting about how everyone ruined her childhood, her dreams, and her night sky.

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Blogger Dave February 12, 2020 12:38 PM  

Betelgeuse!
Betelgeuse!
Betelgeuse!

Blogger Warunicorn February 12, 2020 12:43 PM  

Weren't they saying something about how we influence our own sun some years ago? I forgot where I heard that.

It's as if these people can't measure the power, the magnitude of this universe and our inability to stop it. It's like they're afraid of it all ending---their perfect world---and we must take action to stop it from happening. For the children or something.

Personally, the idea of this beautiful blue marble of ours eventually ending saddens me but that's just the way things are. I can accept it. Better to worry for your mortal soul and judgment.

Blogger Jeff February 12, 2020 12:43 PM  

maybe it's being dimmed by a galactic dust cloud in it's solar system?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2020 12:47 PM  

No doubt Gretard Torsk-Ansikte will be too busy with her new television show to give us a proper rant. Too bad, because that nasty face sours normies on gloobal worming. It sours milk, too.

Blogger PragmaticTroll February 12, 2020 12:48 PM  

The star is 642 light years away. So the dimming occurred in 1348. Weird.

Blogger notjoshing February 12, 2020 12:50 PM  

The truth here is that this is Donald Trump's fault. I heard it on CNN.

Blogger Robert What? February 12, 2020 12:51 PM  

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Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 12, 2020 12:54 PM  

What they actually mean is that 642 years ago Betelgeuse started dimming...

Blogger Crew February 12, 2020 12:55 PM  

Betelgeuse is around 700 LY away, so I don't think it will be dangerous, but boy, the night sky would be wonderful.

Blogger Dave February 12, 2020 12:56 PM  

The latest calculations in 2017 placed Betelgeuse at a distance of about 724 light-years, or, more accurately, between 613 and 881 light-years when data uncertainties are included.

It may have already happened, the light we see now is from hundreds of years ago.

Blogger APL February 12, 2020 1:03 PM  

"and it has astronomers wondering if it might be ready to burst in a spectacular supernova explosion"

At 642 light years away, my guess is that if it was going to, it already has.

Blogger Lazarus February 12, 2020 1:08 PM  

How Dare It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blogger LAZ February 12, 2020 1:12 PM  

@Warunicorn: Bssically the solar system is a circuit. Check out milesmathis.com He explains field effect and the math behind it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2020 1:13 PM  

PragmaticTroll wrote:The star is 642 light years away. So the dimming occurred in 1348. Weird.
It was those Medieval SUVs! Or maybe it was caused by burning all those bodies after the Black Death! Either way, it was anthropogenic Beetle-juice-change!

Blogger Silent Draco February 12, 2020 1:22 PM  

Where is the kaboom? Where is the sky-shaking kaboom?

Inverse square law is our friend, reducing the electromagnetic and particle radiation heading our way. It's still prudent to have things backed up and a Faraday cage containing spares.

Blogger Salt February 12, 2020 1:29 PM  

If Betelgeuse is about to blow for us then it's already blown for the Rigelians.

Blogger Crew February 12, 2020 1:46 PM  

If Svensmark's cosmic ray theory is correct we might be in for a dose of global cooling ...

https://principia-scientific.org/strong-evidence-that-svensmark-s-solar-cosmic-ray-theory-of-climate-is-correct/

Blogger Al K. Annossow February 12, 2020 1:55 PM  

Betelgeuse is being shadow banned. It's Twitter's fault.

It had been dominating and oppressing the other stars with it's relatively greater brightness. We'll see more forced dimming of other stars quite soon.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 12, 2020 2:01 PM  

The supernova light-wave will hit us on Nov. 9 2020 to celebrate the election of the God-Emperor.

Blogger Joe Smith February 12, 2020 2:04 PM  

New calculations out of NASA indicate that a supernova occurring anywhere within ~1000-1100 light years of us could strip a large amount of the atmosphere right off earth, killing all life on the planet! We must join together with all nations of the world to work out a solution to this problem, and we only have ~6-700 years to do it. We're on the clock now, and humanity is in the balance. If you'll all just sign here...

Or, you know, something like that.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov February 12, 2020 2:15 PM  

So? What was happening 25 years ago, and why didn't it supernova then?
Alarmists.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville February 12, 2020 2:16 PM  

We.Are.All.Going.To.Die.

OMG, save us Corona-Chan. The doom porn never stops.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums February 12, 2020 2:30 PM  

Meanoldbasterd wrote:642 years ago Betelgeuse started dimming...
Crew wrote:Betelgeuse is around 700 LY away
Dave wrote:The latest calculations in 2017 placed Betelgeuse at a distance of about 724 light-years

The expanding universe is no joke. Run for your lives.

Blogger Gettimothy February 12, 2020 2:34 PM  

It should be amusing to hear the Gretard ranting about how everyone ruined her childhood, her dreams, and her night sky.

Terraform the Man In The Moon to look like Trump to add that special something to her night sky.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 12, 2020 2:35 PM  

If anyone's interested, I wrote about the religious implications of Betelgeuse's destruction in a two-part series last month.

http://forge-and-anvil.com/2020/01/26/catholic-prophecy-out-of-orions-belt-part-1/

http://forge-and-anvil.com/2020/02/02/catholic-prophecy-out-of-orions-belt-part-2/

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 12, 2020 2:36 PM  

Crew wrote:Betelgeuse is around 700 LY away, so I don't think it will be dangerous, but boy, the night sky would be wonderful.

It'll be lit AF!!!

Blogger Jim February 12, 2020 3:07 PM  

Crew wrote:Betelgeuse is around 700 LY away, so I don't think it will be dangerous, but boy, the night sky would be wonderful.
IK Pegasi is 157 LY away. It's going to make Betelgeuse look like a firecracker.

Blogger Oswald February 12, 2020 3:13 PM  

Gretard rhymes with Kolbuchar.

Blogger Archimedes2017 February 12, 2020 3:32 PM  

Orange Star Bad

Blogger RC February 12, 2020 3:34 PM  

Joe Smith's estimate was from 4 African women.

Blogger Steve Canyon February 12, 2020 3:36 PM  

Going supernova might be the sparkly event that makes Hillary crap herself in public.

Blogger Rek. February 12, 2020 3:53 PM  

Why should I care about astronomy and photometric measures? And i am asking this in a candid fashion. I mean whatever happens to the sun we cant do anything about it, same goes for the moon and the entire solar system. Well the entire universe.

Whats the point of that field? Go live on the moon and mars? Id rather die fighting on earth as God intended.

Blogger braq February 12, 2020 4:03 PM  

This video quickly demonstrates the absolute fraud perpetrated by the warmists via their cherry-picking of the data. 12 minutes but the guy speaks really slowly and it's better watched at 2x (unless you're a Boomer). I wonder what the Gretard would think of this heresy?

Blogger Laconic February 12, 2020 4:07 PM  

Time to ban everything but trees I guess

Blogger Newscaper312 February 12, 2020 4:20 PM  

I am a very casual skywatcher, used to be nuts about astronomy as a kid.
Once they first mentioned this a few weeks ago I took a closer look and yes, it is noticeably dimmer to my naked eyes. Usually was somewhat similar to Rigel at the lower right, just red rather than blue white. Much dimmer by comparison now.

Blogger Silent Draco February 12, 2020 4:22 PM  

Al K. Annossow wins. It HAS to be Twitter's fault.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( if you're going to call down the lightning, best not flinch when the thunder rolls ) February 12, 2020 4:26 PM  

i tell ya, it's just like you Flat Earthers to get cause and effect backwards.

supernovas CAUSE galactic warming, they don't result from it.

Blogger Dark glasses Woody February 12, 2020 4:28 PM  

The activities of humanity impacting stars is much more plausible under the geocentric model. Perhaps flat earth will return to mainstream orthodoxy yet.

Blogger Mocheirge February 12, 2020 4:32 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:PragmaticTroll wrote:The star is 642 light years away. So the dimming occurred in 1348. Weird.

It was those Medieval SUVs! Or maybe it was caused by burning all those bodies after the Black Death! Either way, it was anthropogenic Beetle-juice-change!


No, it was the Byzantines and their factories emitting CO2 from burning fossil fuels. It took six hundred-odd years for the emissions to reach Betelgeuse, then another six hundred to return. IFLS, man.

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 12, 2020 5:00 PM  

Boomer stars after Betelgeuse explodes:

Who does that star think it is getting brighter than the rest of us? Why can’t it stay the same like normal stars? He thinks he’s better than us! But he’s not, our wives’ yoga instructor says WE are better! NASA agrees too!

**Genuflects towards JFK’s gave**

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 12, 2020 5:03 PM  

She was just on Twitter bewailing the "highest CO2 reading EVAH!", so it will probably be a while before her autistic mind stops spinning long enough for this new "catastrophe" to register.

Blogger Karen took the Kids February 12, 2020 5:53 PM  

I think we're safe. After all, we've been diligently separating our plastic from other rubbish for years now.

Blogger stevo February 12, 2020 5:58 PM  

I have noticed a lot of space related headlines lately. All kinds of things being discovered out there. Can't help but think that they have noticed that we don't trust them as much so they're doubling down on outer space.

Blogger Keith February 12, 2020 6:26 PM  

Joe Smith wrote:New calculations out of NASA...Or, you know, something like that.

We kid, but the plot of 1991's Star Trek VI was literally about how the Klingons lost their home world because...wait for it...they lost their ozone layer. I sh!t you not. They've been doing this mass delusion programming the whole freaking time.

Blogger Wolfman February 12, 2020 6:32 PM  

SKY EVENT
WE WILL NOT BE HELD HOSTAGE
...
[adds extra layer of tinfoil to hat]

Blogger Scuzzaman February 12, 2020 6:41 PM  

OT: FTC is requesting documents from monster tech companies relating to takeovers.

Shot across the bows?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 12, 2020 6:45 PM  

Dark glasses Woody wrote:Perhaps flat earth will return to mainstream orthodoxy yet.
No, stupid lies have certainly become mainstream orthodoxy, but that one's too stupid to do so.

Blogger Al K. Annossow February 12, 2020 6:55 PM  

Some one is tortuously interfering with my ability to view the night sky! We need to join together to individually take xim/xer into arbitration and then impeach xim/xer for abuse of power and obstruction of arbitration.

Blogger John Bradley February 12, 2020 7:08 PM  

might be the sparkly event that makes Hillary crap herself in public.

AKA, 'Thursday'.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 12, 2020 7:31 PM  

I blame electromagnetic radiation pollution.

Blogger Cinco February 12, 2020 7:53 PM  

@Laramie Hirsch

Thanks so much for that write up! I just did a spontaneous bible study with my kids using your analysis, they loved it and so did I!

Blogger Azimus February 12, 2020 7:54 PM  

5. PragmaticTrollFebruary 12, 2020 12:48 PM
The star is 642 light years away. So the dimming occurred in 1348. Weird.


Well there WAS an inexplicable (to the progs) Medieval Warming Period. So... I guess you just discovered transdimensional heat xfer?

Science!

Blogger VFM #7634 February 12, 2020 8:17 PM  

It could half-ass it like Eta Carinae. Or maybe it's starting to imitate Mira. We'll see.

Blogger Laconic February 12, 2020 8:53 PM  

Hahahahha.. Is the sun the mightiest oppressor then?

Blogger Laconic February 12, 2020 8:53 PM  

Hilarious

Blogger bw February 12, 2020 8:58 PM  

dimming

Speaking of which, it's my understanding this is one of the white paper official terms for the Spraying they are doing on a nearly daily basis over our heads, and that of our progeny.
Do people ever look up? One need only watch it play out and then consider all the spokes to that wheel. Your world view will change dramatically within the week.
Hell, it looks like even the Devil Mouse has put it in a flick so the chilluns believe it to be normal.

Blogger Thad Tuiol February 12, 2020 8:59 PM  

This IS a warning that Coronachan is set to become the Black Death of our times. Or something.

Blogger bw February 12, 2020 9:11 PM  

I now assume all the Club of Rome environment-as-weapon bullsh*t, from global freezing to global warming, has been about the geo-engineering(?)all along, still is, and will be going forward.
THAT, my friends, is Power and Control and Secrecy.
Evil as it gets.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 12, 2020 9:14 PM  

Where are Ford and Zaphod going to live now?

Blogger Jim February 12, 2020 10:21 PM  

Rek. wrote:Why should I care about astronomy and photometric measures? And i am asking this in a candid fashion. I mean whatever happens to the sun we cant do anything about it, same goes for the moon and the entire solar system. Well the entire universe.
We can, though. If we discovered that our Sun was going to start going into its red giant phase a few hundred million years early, we could start moving Earth's orbit via gravity tractor (basically, you take some big asteroids and sling them round and round Earth, with the gravitational pull of the asteroids giving Earth a little orbit correction each time). The stuff that you can do when you don't have to worry about friction or drag and you have thousands of years at your disposal is really quite impressive.

There is also the epic butt ton of resources out there that could comfortably sustain several quintillion human beings for those hundred million years while we wait for the sun to swallow everything.

In the long term living in space will be much safer than living on a planet. On a planet, you just have its magnetic field (which is going to be artificial on Mars) and atmosphere between you and whatever the cosmos decides to throw at you. In a rotating O'Neil cylinder, you can have an outer shell of rock and ice dozens of meters thick doing a much better job blocking radiation and your atmosphere is safe within a steel/aluminum/graphene shell. So who cares if a neighboring star explodes?

We are at the point where full blown space colonization is not a matter of science or technology, but rather economics. Now, technology obviously can help to make things cheaper and so affect the economic equation, but the fact is once we have a need to be out there, we will be out there. It's interstellar travel where we need a breakthrough in fusion technology.

Blogger English Tom February 12, 2020 10:30 PM  

@Laconic

If they achieve zero carbon emissions, trees will certainly be banned.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2020 11:00 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Where are Ford and Zaphod going to live now?
Damn Vogons are at it again, eh?

Blogger James February 12, 2020 11:37 PM  

Excellent recitation of everything we were taught about space. Funny, these same people taught us evolution by natural selection. I just do not trust them, at all. They are known liars and frauds. When I look up in the night sky, I see points of light, thats all. Some brighter than others, some various hues, some bigger than others, but tiny points of light. One light year is approximately 4.5 trillion miles. Does anyone here really think we can see 3,150 trillion miles? Let that number sink in. If I were to give you a dollar every second, it would take about 30 thousand years to reach one trillion. Do you really believe we can see 3,150 TRILLION miles away? Remember, as per Gus Grissom, NASA = never a straight answer.

Blogger Dan Karelian February 13, 2020 1:09 AM  

Imagine or just calculate what the inverse square law of light implies when applied to Betelgeuse or even just the Moon.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 13, 2020 1:21 AM  

@51 @Laramie Hirsch

Thanks so much for that write up! I just did a spontaneous bible study with my kids using your analysis, they loved it and so did I!


No problem! There's a whole story written in the stars and placed there by God. I only wish I knew it all. I really think that the Betelgeuse explosion is going to have a lot of religious meaning for the entire world when that sucker detonates. Nature is a type of Scripture, and we can see much of God's mind in it. St. Patrick was aware of this when he was evangelizing Ireland with clovers.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 13, 2020 2:04 AM  

James wrote:Do you really believe we can see 3,150 TRILLION miles away?
How do you feed yourself?

Blogger Boaty Bear February 13, 2020 2:53 AM  

That does fit the model.

Blogger FrankNorman February 13, 2020 4:54 AM  

What I find interesting is that they don't really know exactly how far away a given star is. There's an uncertainly of over 200ly for Betelgeuse.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 13, 2020 5:48 AM  

Orion is one of the few constellations mentioned by name in scripture (iirc Pleiades & Arcturus are the others) so I’d be inclined to take such perturbations into account. What it might mean is a different question, but I’d definitely lean towards it having meaning beyond “random cosmological event occurring a long time ago and far away”.

It’s not given to us to know the day nor the hour yet we are supposed to recognise the season.

Blogger Avalanche February 13, 2020 6:14 AM  

@60 "We are at the point where full blown space colonization is not a matter of science or technology, but rather economics."

Wow. Too bad NASA has declared their highest priority is recruiting moslems.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2020 6:35 AM  

"How do you feed yourself?"

It would be a sad and empty world if fundamentals weren't generally simple.

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 13, 2020 6:43 AM  

@Laramie interesting blog posts. Johannes Freide speaks of something similar to what Alois Irlmaier foresaw when he spoke of the 3 days of darkness. Then right after his quote, you mention the 3 days yourself. Did you have an earlier blog post on that topic?

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2020 6:58 AM  

"Why should I care about astronomy and photometric measures? And i am asking this in a candid fashion. I mean whatever happens to the sun we cant do anything about it, same goes for the moon and the entire solar system. Well the entire universe.

Whats the point of that field? Go live on the moon and mars? Id rather die fighting on earth as God intended."

The Bible says that the stars and signs in the sky are meant for us to notice.

For example, the Earth's axial procession causes a slow drifting of which constellation of the zodiac is on the horizon at sunrise at the spring equinox. By this, you can tell the passage of time (it takes about 25,000 years for one complete cycle). By this, you can know during which "age" a religion started.

There is much disruption going on right now because we are passing from the age of Pisces (the fish) to the age of Aquarius (the water bearer).

To this day, Christianity uses a fish symbol.

What was before Christianity? Hebrewism
What sign precedes Pisces? Ares, the ram. (2000 BC ~ 0 BC/AD)
What symbol of goodness, innocense and perfection is used throughout the Hebrew portion of the Bible? The Lamb... the BABY ram.

What precedes Ares in the precession of the equinox? Taurus. (about 4000 BC ~ 2000 BC).
What religions were around just before Hebrewism?
All sorts of Bull-worshipping. The Minotaur in Crete. Similar in Egypt. Hinduism started (Cows & Bulls are sacred to this day).

What else can we learn from this?

Aquarius (2000 AD ~ 4000 AD)
Pisces (0 AD ~ 2000 AD) Fish. Christianity
Ares (2000 BC - 0 BC) Ram/Lamb. Hebrewism
Taurus (4000 BC - 2000 BC) Bull/Ox. Many
Gemini (6000 BC - 4000 BC) Twins. ???
Cancer (8000 BC - 6000 BC) Crab. ???
Leo (10,000 BC - 8000 BC) Lion. Whoever Built the Sphinx.

The last line is COMPLETELY against what the Egyptologists tell us, but is in perfect accordance with the WATER erosion on both the sphinx, and the walls of the enclosure -- in an area which has not seen significant rainfall since 10,000 years ago (8000 BC).

Astrology (study of the stars) got PERVERTED into the making of horoscopes (literal: "sun view") as a way of trying to predict one's own personal future. We know that horoscope making doesn't come from God, because so many of the leading figures in that field are atheists -- therefore, it can only be a Satanic deception. All positive results are just there for draw you further in, and thus farther from God.

True astrology is NOTHING of the kind. It's not about horoscopes and personal fortune. It's about signs in the sky which have significance for all of humanity.

A lot of peculiar events happened around the world the last time a relatively nearby star went supernova (the remnants of that explosion are the Crab Nebula which is still expanding to this day -- and cooling in the process).

If Betelgeuse goes supernova in the near future, expect many looming changes to suddenly happen, within 1 year of it being visible in the sky.

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2020 7:04 AM  

"Do you really believe we can see 3,150 TRILLION miles away?"

Do you really believe that there is some hard limit, beyond which, a photon cannot travel, or afterwhich, cannot be detected by either the biochemistry of your eye, the metallo-chemistry of analog photography, or the solid-state physics of digital photography?

Blogger MrNiceguy February 13, 2020 7:21 AM  

Or you can just stay put. Expanding universe means whatever you're running from will get farther away.

Blogger MrNiceguy February 13, 2020 7:48 AM  

Don't worry. I'm sure the usual NGO suspects are already writing up grant proposals for refugee resettlement programs.

Blogger The Cooler February 13, 2020 7:56 AM  

@66 $1K says there's a straw involved.

Blogger Maniac February 13, 2020 8:07 AM  

"It should be amusing to hear the Gretard ranting about how everyone ruined her childhood, her dreams, and her night sky."

Not everyone, just White people.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 13, 2020 8:14 AM  

@63 James
The nearer stars have their distances measured directly using an indirect form of triangulation based on parallax. At the winter then summer solstices, for example, when the Earth is at opposite sides of its orbit for a separation of 2x93 million miles, closer stars can be seen to have an offset vs the much farther away "fixed" stars, which can be used to calculate the distance.
The phenomemon is same as looking at your extended thumb at arms length, viewing through one eye, then the other ... Thumb "moves" vs the background. Farther away an object is the great separation is needed between the viewpoints. The term parsec for astronomical distances derives from "parralax seconds of arc" angular displacement. Parallax only works out so far because of limited optical precision for taking the offset measurements, but there are enough different types of stars in this directly measurable zone that other characteristics can be used to estimate farther distances.

@66 Snidely
Theres no way the vision beam emitted from our eyes can go that far and come back.

Blogger Uncle John's Band February 13, 2020 8:15 AM  

@66. "How do you feed yourself?"

Easy. Via gravity tractor. He basically takes some big asteroids and slings them round and round his head with the gravitational pull of the asteroids bringing the food a little closer each time.

Just a matter of resources...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2020 8:53 AM  

James, 3,150 trillion miles is a long, tiring journey for light. The poor little photons could never make it that far if they didn't make frequent rest stops along the way. Those rest stops are why the average speed of light is so low over long distances in space.

Over shorter, less grueling distances, light's speed is almost instantaneous.

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2020 8:54 AM  

>>Do you really believe we can see 3,150 TRILLION miles away?

If I got the decimal point in the right place, that is more than five hundred light years of distance. A better question because it is inherently more fantastic, is to ask: Do you really believe we can look more than five hundred years into the past?

Or with regard to this current star, if it is about to explode, then what actually happened is that it exploded more than six hundred years ago.

I doubt some of this cosmic stuff actually. We often assume to know more than we do, but speed of light stuff holds up pretty good, and is routinely confirmed in the time lag in communications.

Blogger Glaivester February 13, 2020 9:02 AM  

"Edward Guinan and other astronomers"

Why are we listening to Whoopi Goldberg?

Blogger Apoliteia February 13, 2020 10:02 AM  

OT, but have you guys seen the diamond of advertising that is the new Scandinavian Airlines System commercial? Gillette can't hold a candle to these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtFEMAfQ_E

The cringe is real.

Blogger Warunicorn February 13, 2020 10:17 AM  

Apoliteia wrote:OT, but have you guys seen the diamond of advertising that is the new Scandinavian Airlines System commercial? Gillette can't hold a candle to these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtFEMAfQ_E

The cringe is real.


Sweet Jesus, Mary and Joseph...I've never seen such self-hatred on this level.

Blogger linesy February 13, 2020 10:25 AM  

Surely they will just miraculously arrive at Milliways when their planet gets the bullet.

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2020 2:08 PM  

" If we discovered that our Sun was going to start going into its red giant phase a few hundred million years early, we could start moving Earth's orbit via gravity tractor (basically, you take some big asteroids and sling them round and round Earth, with the gravitational pull of the asteroids giving Earth a little orbit correction each time). The stuff that you can do when you don't have to worry about friction or drag and you have thousands of years at your disposal is really quite impressive."

No need. While earth might be within the expanded atmosphere during the red-giant phase, the solar atmosphere at our radius would be no warmer than the gas inside a florescent light tube. The primary effect would be less temperature fluctuations -- warmer winters and cooler summers.

In fact, we ARE inside the Sun's atmosphere right now. The edge of the solar atmosphere extends all the way to what is called the heliopause.

Several deep space probes are equipped with devices and instrumentation to detect the heliopause.

Probe, Launched, Heliopause Distance, Direction
Pioneer 10, 1972, 67, star Aldebaran in const Taurus

Pioneer 11, 1973, 44, const. Aquilla, N of const Sagittarius

Voyager 1, 1977, 121 AU, const Ophiuchus AKA Serpentarius, between const Hercules and Sagittarius
Voyager 2, 1977, 120 AU, const Telescopium, in the southern hemisphere

Blogger mh01701@gmail.com February 13, 2020 2:48 PM  

yes, thank you for the analysis. I will peruse your suggestions as well.

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Blogger Up from the pond February 13, 2020 8:16 PM  

If everything expanded outward from the Big Bang and everything is thereby getting farther away from everything else (expanding universe), then I have a question. How did we outrun light? For example, light is taking ~700 years to travel from Betelgeus to Earth. How did we reach our present physical position relative to Betelgeuse ahead of the light? The same kind of lag applies throughout the universe.

If the Big Bang theory is true, then light must be the slowest thing in the universe, not the fastest.

I'm informed that the Bangers have hand-waved this issue by coining a term: "inflationary effect." It means everything was indeed moving faster than light for "only an instant" after the Big Bang. The timekeeping precision is remarkable. "Inflationary effect" is just a fudge probably employed to make the math work out for a Hebraic cosmology, as Miles Mathis might say.

Present-day cosmologists are no more knowledgeable about deep space than Galen-era physicians were about the human body.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 14, 2020 12:45 AM  

There’s good historic evidence that (A) the speed of light is not constant (which instantly, ie faster than light, Invalidates most of modern cosmology, and (B) is in fact decreasing. That further implies a whole lot of things that materialists don’t want to think about, nor want you thinking about.

Blogger James February 14, 2020 2:18 AM  

Alkulkis, Snidely, Up From the Pond, just remember these are the guys on your side, these are your team mates, Neil Tyson, Richard Dawkins, PZ meyers, Bill Nye, NASA ,, known liars, academia, Einstein, Denton, Brian Cox, the list of liars and losers is lengthy. Vox just posted another CIA trick in Crypto. Those liars and losers are ypur team mates. You are amplifying the things they preach. You are reading and regurgitating their gospel. Cheers.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 14, 2020 5:42 AM  

"How did we outrun light?"

We didn't. Your frame is incorrect.

"For example, light is taking ~700 years to travel from Betelgeus to Earth. How did we reach our present physical position relative to Betelgeuse ahead of the light?"

Ahead? No, it's just that that light already passed us. We're now getting light that has been produced and traveled since what you're thinking of. All the light currently in the universe wasn't in transit at the very beginning.

Do you have a poor ability to visualize spatial relations, or maybe rates? Something is very wrong with your preconceptions, and I can't pin down quite what yet. Are you thinking of the universe as if it were only around 700 years old?

""inflationary effect." It means everything was indeed moving faster than light for "only an instant" after the Big Bang."

You're off in the irrelevant weeds now. The bigger issue for materialistic big bangers is, how did anything accrete at all, given that it should be evenly distributed? There should be nothing more than a perfectly symmetrical particle cloud of the whole universe.

As for things moving faster than the speed of light... technically still possible in certain relative terms. It's also a necessary eventuality within the paradigm, considering that the universe's expansion is, so far as we observe, accelerating.

As for Scuzzaman... if C weren't constant and were decreasing, it would appear that gravity and radioactive decay rate were increasing, unless they were somehow being modulated along with C, in which case there would be no way for us to observe variability in C because there would be no effects of it whatsoever from our perspectives.

Blogger Akulkis February 14, 2020 12:37 PM  

"Alkulkis, Snidely, Up From the Pond, just remember these are the guys on your side, these are your team mates, Neil Tyson, Richard Dawkins, PZ meyers, Bill Nye, NASA ,"

If you think my comment is based on those guys, you are incredibly ignorant. Name a single mainstream scientist who claims that the Earth will NOT be burned up by the sun becoming a Red Giant.

While waiting for you to find one, I'll just sit here working out the exact value of pi.


[Note for the tiny-brained. Yes, I know pi is irrational. That's precisely the point.]

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 14, 2020 2:02 PM  

James isn't worth responding to.

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