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Saturday, February 22, 2020

Leaving Las Vegas a winner

Bernie Sanders wins another state:
Bernie Sanders has won the the Nevada Democratic caucuses, NBC News projects.

Sanders, coming off a strong showing in the Iowa caucuses and a narrow victory in the New Hampshire primary, rode a wave of support from young voters, liberal voters and Latinos to a runaway first-place finish in Saturday's contest — strengthening his status as the front-runner. It remains too early to call second and third-place finishers.

With 4.2 percent of precincts in the state reporting, Sanders had 44.7 percent of the vote. Former Vice President Joe had 19.5 percent, while former South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg had 15.6 percent and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., had 11.8 percent. Mike Bloomberg, who is surging in national polls but turned in a rocky debate performance in Las Vegas this week, is skipping the first four states and wasn't on the ballot here.

The results that have come in so far allowed Sanders to take the lead in the overall pledged delegate count.
This means that Bloomberg's money is now the only obstacle standing between Sanders and the Democratic nomination. The results:
  • 47% Bernie Sanders
  • 19% Joe Biden
  • 15% Pete Buttigieg
  • 10% Elizabeth Warren
  • 05% Amy Klobuchar
  • 04% Tom Steyer

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84 Comments:

Blogger Ibelin February 22, 2020 8:36 PM  

It's interesting seeing a number of high profile Dems publicly stating that they would rather see Trump win over Sanders. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of rabid anti Trump Dems secretly vote for Trump in November

Blogger D. February 22, 2020 8:39 PM  

Bern baby Bern

Blogger MATT February 22, 2020 8:42 PM  

I think the only thing Dems hate more than 4 More Years, is a Bernie Sanders victory.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia February 22, 2020 8:45 PM  

VD wrote:

This means that Bloomberg's money is now the only obstacle standing between Sanders and the Democratic nomination.

And it may be an insurmountable one.

Unless Bernie wins on the first ballot -- unlikely given the proportional delegate approach to primaries -- Mini-Mike is going to sweep in with his millions, buy off the party, and present himself as the "moderate lane" candidate.

His argument?

Bernie's a Marxist.

Warren is fake.

Mayor Pete is gay, so the brothers and sisters will never vote for the sodomist.

Biden is finding new ways to demonstrate his dementia.

So will Mini Mike say, and so it will be done.

Blogger Hammerli 280 February 22, 2020 8:46 PM  

This will get interesting. The Democrat power brokers are convinced that Bernie the Commie will get stomped by Trump. Bloombigot is their only hope...but can they steal the nomination and get away with it? Will the Bernie Bros go full-bore NKVD and riot? Murder?

And will Trump find his inner Lincoln and give ALL of them a generous dose of grapeshot?

Blogger Up from the pond February 22, 2020 9:02 PM  

The race is on to be Uncle Infarction's veep pick.

Blogger #7139 February 22, 2020 9:02 PM  

Comrade Bernie versus the God-Emperor! What a choice to have on the ballot in November. It would be glorious!

Blogger Azimus February 22, 2020 9:03 PM  

I don't fear Bernie, but I do fear that when his tired ideas fail, his red-starred commissars will start rounding up the kulaks for counter-revolutionary activity and he won't do a blessed thing to stop them. A senile old fool leading mentally ill young fools.

Still, its all academic. None of these dolts will beat TGE.

Blogger Ska_Boss February 22, 2020 9:06 PM  

It's no secret that Bernie is popular with a huge voter base of millennials, zoomers and illegals, probably because of their bleak economic forecasts, we learned this in 2016. The question is: will the establishment that shut him down last election allow him to be the front runner this time around? I'm predicting not, the fact that he gave up his victory to bend the knee to Hillary tells me he at least knows his place.

Blogger D. February 22, 2020 9:09 PM  

Trump Democrats

>Allegheny County Democratic chair says members were just wearing Trump hats as a joke <

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/allegheny-county-democratic-chair-says-members-were-just-wearing-trump-hats-as-a-joke/Content?oid=16791547

Blogger Weak February 22, 2020 9:10 PM  

Then the only interesting thing will be if there is a third, or even fourth, party Challenger. Because Bernie-Trump head to head will be 535-0.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 22, 2020 9:10 PM  

So the Donks will get to pick between (((Trotsky))) and (((Rothschild))). Either way they get a (((healin'))). I can't wait for the next announcement from (((Ministry of Truth))) about how Putler is pulling Bern's strings from Kremlin.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 22, 2020 9:21 PM  

There's still Hillary. At the rate we're going, we'll always have Hillary.
Winning the Dem primaries just means you're between Hillary and her Precioussss.

Blogger George February 22, 2020 9:21 PM  

I have wondered if Mini-Mike will win the nomination the easy way. Just pay off the delegates, 3,000 delegates at $1,000,000 each Three Billion dollars buys the nomination. Mini-Mike might be willing to go that far.

Blogger James Dixon February 22, 2020 9:22 PM  

> This means that Bloomberg's money is now the only obstacle standing between Sanders and the Democratic nomination.

>> And it may be an insurmountable one.

I think Bernie has the votes. I don't think Bloomers' money will be enough to buy him the votes necessary. Especially when Warren backs Sanders over Bloomers. And Biden's not going to give his delegates to anyone, not the least because he can't remember their names.

> Will the Bernie Bros go full-bore NKVD and riot? Murder?

If he wins the delegate count and gets robbed by the DNC? Almost certainly. They'll also either sit out or vote for Trump over any other Dem.

And a significant percentage of the party mainstream will sit out or vote for Trump over Bernie, so the party loses either way.

But I think it'll be Trump versus Sanders in the primary. Communism versus Capitalism in a WWE style showdown. It'll be a battle for the ages.

Blogger James Dixon February 22, 2020 9:26 PM  

> I'm predicting not, the fact that he gave up his victory to bend the knee to Hillary tells me he at least knows his place.

All he has to do is take her as his VP and the nomination is in the bag. As is his second and final heart attack, but I doubt he's bright enough to figure that out.

Blogger James Dixon February 22, 2020 9:28 PM  

> Because Bernie-Trump head to head will be 535-0.

California will still go for Bernie. I expect Hawaii will too. I can't predict either Illinois or New York though.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 22, 2020 9:55 PM  

It's no secret that Bernie is popular with a huge voter base of millennials, zoomers and illegals,
Meme popular isn't the same as actually popular.

Blogger Retrenched February 22, 2020 10:06 PM  

With 4.2 percent of precincts in the state reporting, Sanders had 44.7 percent of the vote. Former Vice President Joe had 19.5 percent,

>Tfw you aim the impeachment gun at Bad Orange Man and just end up taking out the one candidate who might have had a slight chance against him

Blogger rumpole5 February 22, 2020 10:07 PM  

Query: How much of Bernie's success represents a simple middle finger to the Democrat establishment who have been playing their constituents to an even larger degree than our back stabbing Republican Establishment has done to us?

Blogger boogeyman February 22, 2020 10:15 PM  

McGovern 2, Electric Boogaloo

Blogger Monotonous Languor February 22, 2020 10:20 PM  

Sanders can win all the regular delegates he wants. It's the super delegates that will select the final nominee, and by now Bloomberg has probably bought out all of them.

Blogger Akulkis February 22, 2020 10:30 PM  

The beauty of it all.

If Sanders wins, the anti-Sanders Democrats will come out for Trumps.

If Sanders loses, the Bernie Bros will come out for Trump, if for no other reason than to spite the DNC's nominee. This option also has the additional bonus of Bernie Bros and Antifa doing a homage of the 1968 convention in Chicago....... CUBED.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 22, 2020 10:32 PM  

It's the super delegates that will select the final nominee, and by now Bloomberg has probably bought out all of them.
They changed that rule.
The Super Delegates are only allowed to vote on the first ballot if the regular delegate count is significantly in favor of someone.

Blogger Akulkis February 22, 2020 10:34 PM  

The beauty of it all.

If Sanders wins, the anti-Sanders Democrats will come out for Trumps.

If Sanders loses, the Bernie Bros will come out for Trump, if for no other reason than to spite the DNC's nominee. This option also has the additional bonus of Bernie Bros and Antifa doing a homage of the 1968 convention in Chicago....... CUBED.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 22, 2020 10:35 PM  

@Gen. Kong There’s also been talk of a brokered convention throwing the nomination to (((Schiff))). There’s a lot of parentheses leading radical Democrats these days. But don’t notice anything please. Noticing is racist.

Blogger Daniel February 22, 2020 10:36 PM  

The more money minimike uses to elevate his stature, the more the lil guy appears to be compensating for something...

Blogger Lazarus February 22, 2020 10:54 PM  

Mr. Sanders. Here we have a $50 mil book deal. In the other hand, we have an unfortunate accident. What say you?

Bernie, being an academic socialist and therefore open to suggestions sez: " I like books!"

Problem solved.

Blogger John Rockwell February 22, 2020 11:09 PM  

@Azimus

Why assume mental illness and not evil? No one enamoured by communism especially being commisars for it is innocent.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville February 22, 2020 11:11 PM  

Hey Vox, any truth to the Corona virus stories coming out of N. Italy? Stay safe.

Blogger Storm Rhode February 22, 2020 11:15 PM  

If Bernie gets ripped off at the convention I think his supporters will riot. I suspect Bernie has a tight ground game with his loyal supporters. If that can get the illegal vote along with the college kid vote I think he can win this. Many people want free, and many people seem to be getting free stuff. Maybe we need a term or two of Bernie in the White House to educate people on the economics of communism.

Blogger Katechon February 22, 2020 11:20 PM  

Bernie virtually clinched the nomination.

Populist Bernie vs populist Trump. Oy vey!

Blogger Stilicho February 22, 2020 11:30 PM  

"This means that Bloomberg's money is now the only obstacle standing between Sanders and the Democratic nomination"

And Bernie's heartbeat is the only thing between Mini Mike and the nomination. Especially when you consider that the Bernie Bros will be more likely to fall in line if Bernie's next heart attack takes him out rather the Mini Mike having buy the nomination at the convention despite Bernie having the most delegates. Bernie is standing between Rosie O'Donnel and the biggest twinkie ever.

Blogger Up from the pond February 22, 2020 11:31 PM  

His penis fell off when he was 63. That's the rumor. A number of people are saying this.

Blogger Thad Tuiol February 22, 2020 11:53 PM  

OT, but what the merry hell is going on in Korea and Italy with regards to COVID-19? Stay safe Vox

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 23, 2020 12:20 AM  

Just pay off the delegates, 3,000 delegates at $1,000,000 each Three Billion dollars buys the nomination

Dem whore themselves for a lot less than that. They also probably have closets full to bursting with dusty skeletons and live children.

A 78-year-old man infected with the virus died in Veneto. A postmortem on a 77-year-old woman in Lombardy came back positive, though it wasn't clear if illness from the virus caused her death.

Does Italy have boomers?

Blogger Primus Pilus February 23, 2020 1:28 AM  

Storm Rhode wrote:Maybe we need a term or two of Bernie in the White House to educate people on the economics of communism.

The problem is one of demographics, not education.

Blogger Azimus February 23, 2020 1:32 AM  

@ John Rockwell

Many could be evil, true. And by definition a fallen man is evil, spiritually speaking. But many more have simply been fooled, or led along. Someone once defined a male progressive as a man going about attracting a mate in the exact wrong way. So Insay mentally ill because I think the majority of them can be reclaimed if the spell is broken.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 23, 2020 3:33 AM  

So either they have to run Bernie against Trump with nothing more than something weak like "You wouldn't brutalize an old man, would you?", or they have to both cheat and brutalize him themselves so that they can run the little man syndrome (((billionaire))).

They're already ramping up the "Bernie Russian collusion therefore disqualified!" propaganda. Let's be real, all the Bernie bros are only in it because either the Bern offers the illusion of an easy fix to their financial woes, or they just hate the rest of the dems at least as much as they do Trump. Meanwhile Bloomberg is the sort that causes their financial woes. The theft from Bernie is going to cause all kinds of fireworks.

"Meme popular isn't the same as actually popular."

Which is still better than both memetically and actually unpopular.

So, yeah, I think it's in Bernie's best interest to take Hill as his VP, because his final heart attack is getting expedited either way, and if he takes Hill it naturally has to wait longer to naturally occur unexpectedly.

Blogger God Emperor Memes February 23, 2020 4:05 AM  

"Fuck you, Bernie. Now here's some money." - The DNC, 2020.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 23, 2020 4:06 AM  

@38 Azimus
Regarding the distinction between "evil" and "just being fooled" I prefer an outcome-based evaluation. "He was a kind-hearted man who loved his family and his dog" does not count very much if he assisted in killing or imprisoning thousands of kulaks (with the best of intentions, as they say).
After Owen's recent stream I listened to a lot of Norm MacDonald comedy. One joke went like this:
"A man killed his wife and children and cut them up because the devil told him to do it, he claims. I find that extremely stupid. Imagine him walking towards to the forest dragging his family's body parts along in two big duffel bags to bury them in a shallow grave. There he meets the devil and says: "Oh Ruler of this World and of the Underworld, I did what you told me, what now?" The devil pulls off his mask and cheerfully shouts: "Hi, it's just me, Bob, your old buddy..."
Now was the man who killed his family fooled, fallen or evil? Or just an Asperger unable to see through a joke?

Blogger Akulkis February 23, 2020 4:21 AM  

@34
>> The more money minimike uses to elevate his stature, the more the lil guy appears to be compensating for something...



> His penis fell off when he was 63. That's the rumor. A number of people are saying this.


Mike, is that you? https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060815061239AAYwxGI

Blogger FrankUnderwood February 23, 2020 4:33 AM  

No way Cali and the other Dem strongholds will go for Trump. A clean victory like Nicon or Regan had is impossible due to demographic changes.

Blogger Dole February 23, 2020 5:20 AM  

@VD

If Sanders wins the nomination, how much closer are we to civil war? Is the democrat party done?

The replacement of American people and values has worked a little too well for them it appears. Now the Marxists replace them.

Blogger Lazarus February 23, 2020 6:11 AM  

Haven't Bernie's young fans noticed he is a Boomer yet? He's got three houses.

I guess it's because socialists can't calculate.

Blogger Pratisara February 23, 2020 7:23 AM  

The day they assign secret service protection to Bernie we will know that not only he is the designated Democrat nominee but also most likely to win in November.

I think that he will lose to Trump narrowly - his role is not to be President, but to give exposure to Tulsi as his running mate so she could be the nominee in 2024 and become the first female President.

Blogger urthshu February 23, 2020 7:25 AM  

Communism vs the West, 2020: the Old War.

Blogger rikjames.313 February 23, 2020 7:29 AM  

Two comments:

1. Bernie already had one heart attack. The media played along with smothering the story, but it was out there. It would be easy to Clinton him once he finishes off Biden--the group that murdered Epstein while the world watched can sell heart attack number two in his hotel room, leading to drowning in the tub.

2. I agree with the demographics comments. California shows how Hispanics vote.

Blogger Monotonous Languor February 23, 2020 7:37 AM  

Sanders is winning votes because the latest voting generation is filled with revenge, and doesn't know who to take it out on. Whoever came up with the policy to supply student loans to everyone, was cleverly setting up its unintended consequences. The result is that college graduates are saddled with enormous debt to go along with their useless degrees, stranded in a job market that automatically caters to useless minorities who they've been brainwashed to worship. In other words, white college students are filled with blind rage, and overturning the system is constantly lurking at the back of their minds.

Blogger Avalanche February 23, 2020 7:53 AM  

@34 "His penis fell off when he was 63. That's the rumor. A number of people are saying this."

I thought that was Weinstein? #Himtoo?

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 23, 2020 8:04 AM  

The stronger Sanders gets, the weaker Democrat chances of dominating Congress will become. It will be interesting to see how Dem congressional candidates will try to support and not support Candidate Comrade Sanders at the same time.

Blogger Karen took the Kids February 23, 2020 8:18 AM  

Klobuchar is a glutton for punishment.

Blogger Unknown February 23, 2020 8:20 AM  


IMO, "Mike is surging in the national polls" is straight bullsh**. The polls are rigged to show whatever results TPTB wish. Since the senile old guy has failed, as has the harpy, and the buttplug, little mikey is their choice to beat Sanders. Only problem is, Sanders has a possibility of beating Trump in a straight vote, (wont happen), so when he is "robbed " of the nomination, (and coincidentally buys another mansion), his voters will either stay home or vote Trump as a big FY. It's going to be fun to watch.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 23, 2020 8:22 AM  

Biden on the comeback trail. Is there something in the water in Nevada?

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis February 23, 2020 8:40 AM  

Their angst is delicious. It sustains me.

Blogger wEz February 23, 2020 9:28 AM  

The problem is both for the Republican party. Changing demographics and people are either stupid or lazy.

Blogger JG February 23, 2020 9:48 AM  

Antifa will go apesh*t when the DNC steals away Bernie's nomination.

Popping popcorn.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 23, 2020 9:52 AM  

CNN has a page on the Nevada caucus results. It also has a tab that shows the polls.

Just check out how far the polls and the votes diverge, and you'll know how useful the polls are to you. Check out how close the polls are to each other and you'll know how useful they are to not you.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 23, 2020 10:03 AM  

Has minimike explored the option of leg extension surgery? If not could someone please point him to this website:
https://www.reachyourheight.com/

Blogger Out of Nod February 23, 2020 10:10 AM  

Bernie Sanders is to the democrats as Ron Paul was to the Republicans. It's like 2012 all over again. I wonder who the democrats Trump figure will be 4 years from now

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2020 10:17 AM  

GOP and the conservatards will blow this opportunity to torpedo the Democratic party, it is the Ds who patronized and placated these Communist clowns and the Ds in their feminine mindset thought they could control little Commie Junior with the usual passive aggressive mommy knows best manner, well surprise.

In the rhetorical world if you ain't blamin, you are losin.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 23, 2020 10:19 AM  

If it comes to Trump versus Bernie the big point is going to be the student debt issue.
Reason, dialog, and logic will mean nothing in any debate. The mindlessness of the Bernie side will be astounding. But it won't help if our side goes full "I got mine" boomer mode on this issue either. Trump would be wise to pull government contributions going to colleges now, and tax the endowments, and use it to pay off student debt, and yank the rug out from under Bernie.
Seeing Liberal Inc. reveal itself as being run by the same people who run Conservative Inc. is a good thing in the end.

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 23, 2020 10:24 AM  

I think Bernie is Trump's biggest problem and the Democrat most able to challenge him.
If the impossible happens and Bernie takes the prize, the Berniebros are going to feel the sting when both parties close ranks and block every sensible thing (and insane things) he might want to do.

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2020 10:38 AM  

> If Sanders wins the nomination, how much closer are we to civil war? Is the democrat party done?

Less than if Bloomers or Buttplug wins. Sanders has little support within his own party, and they will work to actively sabotage his administration. Sanders, because he's unabashedly a commie, would actually be the best result of any of the Dem candidates winning the Presidency.

Blogger Voracious Reader February 23, 2020 10:52 AM  

@8 Azimus,

That's just the first phase of the same overarching fear I have. Rounding up the kulaks in the United States though will have a counter-reaction--it's called the Second Amendment.

The Soviet NKVD units operating in the 1920-1930s Ukraine never had to worry about their officers being regularly wiped out from 673m head shots, nor their entire power, rail, and food supply distribution plans being disrupted from origin to end user, nor their political classes being liquidated in order of tens a day.

The NKVD-wannabees will lose, and lose resoundingly. The question remains: After they lose, what situation replaces them? That post-situation must be discussed before, not after, if any kind of civilization is to be maintained.

After attempting "rounding up the kulaks," do you think those responsible for such attempted atrocities will be allowed to remain in the United States alive? There will not be a 1865-68 handshake after the American Civil War; the 20th century happened. Look at the hatred that remains almost two decades later after the 1990s Balkan wars in Croatia and Bosnia to the Serbian population.

That ingrained bitterness hasn't gone away in the former Yugoslavia, and it won't go away in a post-conflict 2020s America, either. So that question has to be _dealt_ with by whatever hard Right-wing government takes over in that power vacuum.

Closing test question: Using a historical metaphor, define "dealt." That answer will be America's late 2020s history.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) February 23, 2020 11:29 AM  

Tyson Fury is leaving Las Vegas a winner today.

and Creepy Joe didn't win ... but he did finally finish 2nd! with trends like this, he can't lose!

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 23, 2020 11:44 AM  

Voracious Reader wrote:

The Soviet NKVD units operating in the 1920-1930s Ukraine never had to worry about their officers being regularly wiped out from 673m head shots


I read a couple of chapters of a book of letters from the front lines of the Wehrmacht during Barbarossa. There was a letter from a photographer in Lithuania about a group of local men holding some prisoners in a cul-de-sac and beating them to death with clubs and other make-shift weapons one after another. This went on for many hours and produced a rather large pile of dead bodies. All of the prisoners were local Jews. These Jewish party members were the people dropping a dime and even fabricating "crimes" in order to punish their enemies and their families. According to the men and the letter in the book, these Jews were responsible for many of the political deaths and deportations to Gulags of local families and the Marshal Law declared by the invading army gave the men a unique opportunity to make those traitors pay.
This is probably also why their is footage of people in the East welcoming the German forces as liberators.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 23, 2020 1:06 PM  

Tell that to Pres Trump, you nonce.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 23, 2020 1:07 PM  

A large portion, probably the majority.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 23, 2020 1:12 PM  

I have ZERO fear of the old Commie Jew being president. Even if by some miracle or extreme manipulation & he won, I know for a fact the Deep Staters would hobble anything he wanted to do that might represent change, the same way they've done it to Trump.

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2020 1:35 PM  

> I wonder who the democrats Trump figure will be 4 years from now

AOC. She turns 31 in October.



Blogger Scuzzaman February 23, 2020 2:03 PM  

In case it wasn't previously, it is now abundantly clear why the Dems don't want an accurate vote count.

Blogger Frankfurt Bear February 23, 2020 2:16 PM  

Sanders is the only candidate who could beat Trump, because he is the only one less establishment than Trump. Working class people are fed up with billionaires and neo-whatevers whose only aim is to press even the last cent out of ordinary hard working people.
Voters might not like the globalization nonsense preached by the Dems, but there are more than enough globalists in the Republican party to level this advantage.

However Trump can trust on the Democrats establishment, which will cheat Sanders again.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 23, 2020 3:11 PM  

Sanders is the only candidate who could beat Trump, because he is the only one less establishment than Trump.
Well yes, but no.
Sanders is establishment, he's just not part of the ruling establishment and thus won't get the support and backing that he needs.
Also, it's worth note that Nevada has a yuge union population, which is Sanders' bread and butter.

Blogger Akulkis February 23, 2020 3:49 PM  

"Haven't Bernie's young fans noticed he is a Boomer yet? He's got three houses."

They haven't even noticed that he's Jewish yet.

Blogger Azimus February 23, 2020 3:52 PM  

41. Gregory the TallFebruary 23, 2020 4:06 AM
Now was the man who killed his family fooled, fallen or evil? Or just an Asperger unable to see through a joke?


Hmm. There is a point where self preservation/cowardice and actual evil is a distinction without a difference. The soldier that guns down the POW's because his lieutenant told him to and he would be shot if he didn't, is morally the same as the one who does so eagerly. At that point they are beyond redemption.

My favorite character that shows this is Jake Spoon from Lonesome Dove. He's always "just about to" do the right thing and never does, right up to the point where he's caught with the Suggs gang and gets the rope like the rest of them.

But just like Jake Spoon there are plenty of opportunities for redemption before it gets that far. There are very people willing to hurt/kill other human beings without a lot of coercion. Anybody who balks at pulling the trigger or swinging the crowbar can be brought back I think - I mean in the earthly sense, they can be deprogrammed. I'm not referring to people's eternal souls.

Blogger Azimus February 23, 2020 4:04 PM  

65. Voracious ReaderFebruary 23, 2020 10:52 AM
Rounding up the kulaks in the United States though will have a counter-reaction--it's called the Second Amendment.


I could not agree more. I tell every prog that will listen that the 2nd Amendment isn't about the battlefield its about the Secret Police, and not knowing whats on the other side of the door they're about to kick down.

The Soviet NKVD units operating in the 1920-1930s Ukraine never had to worry about their officers being regularly wiped out from 673m head shots, nor their entire power, rail, and food supply distribution plans being disrupted from origin to end user, nor their political classes being liquidated in order of tens a day.

Weapons are one thing, will is another. Certainly in 99% of repressive governments in history, there have been uprisings that found weapons somehow, fought back somehow. Yet you hear nothing of it in 1920's USSR. I wonder why? Exhaustion from the Great War? I should research this.

After attempting "rounding up the kulaks," do you think those responsible for such attempted atrocities will be allowed to remain in the United States alive? There will not be a 1865-68 handshake after the American Civil War; the 20th century happened.

The Slovenian break-awat was short and hugely successful - because they were organized. Slovenes don't hate Serbs (I'm about a quarter Slovene so I get a lot of exposure to that community). Also the war fell pretty much on ethnic lines.

I don't suppose if there is violence it will happen that way in the US. It will be more like the Spanish Civil War. I guess I would look to see what Franco did with the Republicans to see what would happen here, as a historical precedent. He was a somewhat merciful man, but also coldly pragmatic so I don't know. The decline of Christianity in the US will make it a messy civil war, God forbid.

I expect the failed commissars will be imprisoned, tried for war crimes, some executed, so on and so forth. Let out in batches after 10, 20, 30 years. Maybe they'll give them a county somewhere and wall them out from the rest of us. It really depends on how violent and awful it is.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 23, 2020 8:13 PM  

Weapons are one thing, will is another. Certainly in 99% of repressive governments in history, there have been uprisings that found weapons somehow, fought back somehow. Yet you hear nothing of it in 1920's USSR. I wonder why? Exhaustion from the Great War? I should research this.

I remember Steve Sailer remarking about that years ago. He even reported how some foreign mercenaries (I think they were British) were wondering why the Whites didn't try to do such and such, or this or that. But the Russians were, it would appear, much too fatalistic to want to do anything daring.

Blogger The Lab Manager February 23, 2020 10:08 PM  

Everyone of the Democratic candidates and all in the audiences of these debates need to be rounded up and physically removed from society. It's astounding and avowed communist is getting the traction he does. The rest of them need to be beaten and drowned in a bucket of sewage.

Blogger CarpeOro February 24, 2020 8:17 AM  

@Scuzzaman

Why the "surge" for Biden? Lost Wages. There is always a bet available for someone to win/place/show. This is the gamblers trying to shore up there bet.

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 24, 2020 9:45 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:He even reported how some foreign mercenaries (I think they were British) were wondering why the Whites didn't try to do such and such, or this or that. But the Russians were, it would appear, much too fatalistic to want to do anything daring.

How about the Soviet system of spies? The Soviet Union was a terror state with a giant network of spies and traitors who would sell you out for a nice juicy steak. It's one thing to risk being killed in a gun battle, but it is quite another to risk not only being arrested, tortured, made to confess being a traitor and then sent to a gulag for 20 years but also the same for random members of your family. You're not being brave when you risk not only your own life or freedom, but also that of your wife or children and all to fight an amorphous system. The worst you could do is kill a few replaceable cogs in a machine.

Blogger Barbarossa February 24, 2020 10:50 AM  

@77 I think one of the things you'll find with regards to the so-called White Russian movements is that there really wasn't a "White" movement. Under that banner were a myriad number of causes and motivations, ranging from monarchist to nationalist separatists to just plain ol' warlord-ism. Hence, little or no political unity.

Also, I think you'll want to look at the strangely forgotten Polish-Soviet War of 1919-20 as a more proximate issue. My thinking is that a great deal of the nucleus of Ukrainian leadership that could have opposed the Bolshevik horror ended up on the other side of the border dictated by the Treaty of Riga. Additionally, many Ukrainians felt betrayed by the Poles as a result of that treaty, so there may also have been an overall level of demoralization within their ranks and thus no desire to counter NKVD efforts ("Why bother? The Poles will just snap up anything we do."). Obviously if they had known what the future held, they might have felt differently.

Blogger Technomad February 27, 2020 3:03 PM  

There actually was armed resistance to the Soviets in the countryside. Unfortunately, the peasants had no way to coordinate among themselves, and the Soviets could bring overwhelming force to bear, as well as using local traitors (like Pavlik Morozov) to point out the people they needed to get.

Blogger Paul M March 01, 2020 8:38 AM  

The democratic nomination this year is a poisoned chalice. Only good for someone who will never get another bite at the cherry.

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