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Monday, February 03, 2020

Mailvox: the circle-back

A reader observes that Gammas never leave, they always linger about in the corners like a noxious fog:
I was reading the comments on your post yesterday on creating omegas. It struck me that last year I had someone I thought a friend who turned on me in a very public way for noticing uncomfortable facts. Then there was some cyber-stalking that struck me as rather creepy. Gamma behavior. You said Gammas will turn on you sooner or later.

Do they ever try to ingratiate themselves back into the good graces of the person they turned on to begin with? The faux-sincere apology or do they dig in that they were right? I was thinking that gammas are somewhat opportunistic and will try to get back into the circle if they think it is to their benefit.
Gammas will absolutely try to work their way back in, but they always do so in an indirect manner. They will try praising you or making positive, supportive comments, without ever admitting the fact that they were previously condemning you or apologizing for their past behavior. Of course, they will only take the ingratiation route until it becomes obvious that the tactic is not working, then they will revert to attacking you again.

Gammas are not "somewhat opportunistic", they are EXTREMELY opportunistic, which means that even when they are silent, they are always lurking about, looking to either ingratiate themselves or seek revenge, depending upon which opportunity happens to present itself first. I have witnessed Gammas lurking silently for years before taking the opportunity to strike back; for example, one Gamma troll whose name would be familiar to the Dread Ilk recently surfaced for the first time since 2014 in an attempt to glom onto the /r/Owen anklebiters and their campaign against UATV.

This is why you should never forget a Gamma or fail to observe his inevitable reappearance. Because you can be absolutely certain that he will never forgive nor forget anyone who has rejected him or publicly bested him, not until the heat death of the universe.

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77 Comments:

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 03, 2020 8:44 AM  

"But then, how do they move on with their lives?"

"They don't."

Blogger peacefulposter February 03, 2020 9:05 AM  

This is why you should never forget a Gamma or fail to observe his inevitable reappearance.

Scalzi's reappearance is going to be spectacular!

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 03, 2020 9:14 AM  

216
That's the magic number.
It's the number of years between outlawing of duelling and gammapocalypse. When duelling was outlawed, someone probably wondered "so how long before these feckless reprobates rule the roost and destroy our society?". The answer is it takes two centuries.

Blogger pdwalker February 03, 2020 9:43 AM  

wow. imagine having that kind of “no-life”. it’d be pitiable if it weren’t so bloody repulsive to any normal person.

i’m surprised more gammas don’t commit suicide after a few minutes of honest self reflection.

oh, wait...

Blogger Eduardo February 03, 2020 9:57 AM  

I found that weird... Why crawl back to someone you hate? Doesn't it mean you lost if you conceed that you need that "friendship"?

Even I don't get it.

Blogger Shane Bradman February 03, 2020 10:01 AM  

When do we start the gamma genocide? I was playing a nice session of a 7-year old shooter, when all of a sudden a fucking gamma starts some shit with our platoon leader, complains endlessly over the mic for 48 people to hear, ends up screeching like a teenage boy in a Call of Duty lobby until our platoon leader expelled him from the platoon and permanently banned him from playing with us again. Here I thought the unpopular aging games were safe, but they are literally everywhere you look.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 03, 2020 10:10 AM  

I'm having a little fun imagining what a gamma would do if actually challenged to a duel.
Duelling was about swords and pistols. Barring that, what legal ways would be possible to challenge someone else to a duel?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 03, 2020 10:12 AM  

These Gammas are wasting their time.

What do they win if they are successful? They'll at least be as miserable as they were when they first started out.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 03, 2020 10:23 AM  

It just occurred to me....
Wasn't the film Ground Hogs Day all about this sort of thing? Every day for the protagonist was a repeat until he learned to change.
Obligatory "there's a lesson in there for us all" hurble burble.

Blogger Lazarus February 03, 2020 10:27 AM  

Gammas Never Leave is a good title for a Romance Noir novel.

Blogger VD February 03, 2020 10:34 AM  

Why crawl back to someone you hate?

Because Gammas are desperate to be part of the hierarchy. To accept banishment is to accept Omega status with regards to that group and that is the worst outcome of all as far as they are concerned. After all, even a despised anklebiter is known to the group whose ankles he is biting.

Notice that their most bitter hatred is always and invariably focused upon those who have rejected them, male or female. They most hate those with the power to cast them out. That is why atheists hate God.

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2020 10:35 AM  

@3. Doktor Jeep

Serious talk though, I don't think reinstitution of dueling would fix any sort of gammapocalypse. Remember, these people will run away from fights and declare them to be their win no matter what.

And if they're scared enough of someone else dueling them that they wouldn't speak up and make noise to begin with... well that doesn't mean that their poisonous brain wouldn't still try to devise ways to bring down and betray those that have "wronged them", they'd just be far sneakier about it. Much more of a headache.

If anything, the modern Gammapocalypse is result of a combination of a greater valuation being a subject matter expert on cerebral topics, a devaluation on boys competing and roughhousing with each other, and the greater ability of people to create their own echo chambers if they so desire, and gammas absolutely will desire that echo chamber because it's a safety bubble that props up their delusions.

Blogger Cloud William February 03, 2020 10:55 AM  

@7:

...what legal ways would be possible to challenge someone else to a duel?

Unless death is the outcome of losing, dueling with a gamma is a waste of time.

Blogger Flannel Avenger February 03, 2020 11:06 AM  

This sounds like the ballad of 2VS

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 03, 2020 11:06 AM  

@11: "They most hate those with the power to cast them out. That is why atheists hate God."

By that logic, Lucifer is the ultimate gamma. (Except Lucifer can't be an atheist.)

Blogger Capital6 February 03, 2020 11:07 AM  

I thank God that I ended up more Omega than Gamma. It's the same analogy as being thankful for getting cancer instead of HIV but, at least, cancer can be cured. AGP did some very good explanations of and differentiation between the two lowest classes. The SSH was a Godsend for figuring out what was going on.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 03, 2020 11:07 AM  

"Notice that their most bitter hatred is always and invariably focused upon those who have rejected them, male or female."

Hence in regard to workplace mass casualty incidents you can tell the difference between gamma rage and omega rage.

Blogger Lazarus February 03, 2020 11:20 AM  

Because Gammas are desperate to be part of the hierarchy

So they can replace it with a Gammarchy.

Blogger peacefulposter February 03, 2020 11:58 AM  

Lazarus - Gammas Never Leave is a good title for a Romance Noir novel.

Yes it is! However, sales may be slow given that women will have as little interest in a fictional Gamma as they do in a real one.

Blogger ScottC February 03, 2020 12:06 PM  

Vox, if all gammas disappeared tomorrow would anything of value be lost that couldn't be recovered by other members of the SSH?

Blogger Tomato bear February 03, 2020 12:09 PM  

Ask them to get in the ring

Blogger pdwalker February 03, 2020 12:46 PM  

@21 Tomato bear

Ask them to get in the ring

You know they wouldn't. But they would spend their time imagining "just how badly they'd hurt you" and then talk up about how great they were for "letting you off this time".

When I was growing up, they'd have to get into a fight and take their licks. After a time, they usually smartened up.

Blogger Doctor Mayhem February 03, 2020 1:01 PM  

In Texas, for example, dueling "with fisticuffs only" is still legal.

Blogger Latigo3 February 03, 2020 1:11 PM  

This always makes for interesting reading and ruminating.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) February 03, 2020 1:16 PM  

7. Doktor Jeep February 03, 2020 10:10 AM
Barring that, what legal ways would be possible to challenge someone else to a duel?



the dueling contest is chosen by the offended party when challenging the person who has offended him.

so you could still go for fencing with mask, vest and electronic scoring as can be found in any decent fencing club or boxing or an mma match or even something like a best of 7 chess tournament.

the problem is that most people wouldn't have any idea what you were on about and nobody would follow through on the shunning from polite society which was the consequence of refusing the challenge.

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 1:33 PM  

"Duelling was about swords and pistols. Barring that, what legal ways would be possible to challenge someone else to a duel?"

One-on-one hockey.
No pads.

"Serious talk though, I don't think reinstitution of dueling would fix any sort of gammapocalypse. Remember, these people will run away from fights and declare them to be their win no matter what."

The rules of dueling: If you don't show up, you lost the argument, and society will NOT tolerate you going around repeating your argument ever again, as you will be immediately
cut out of ALL polite society, no periodical of any reputation will print a word that you write or say, except to further rub in the point that the no-show is a loser, unless and until he apologizes to the one who challenged him to the duel.

Challenging someone to a duel was generally NOT about meeting them on a field for brief but potentially lethal battle. The purpose was to extract a public apology from idiots who are publicly long on insults and short on facts. Also for attempts at immoral dalliances with a man's wife or daughter, or any word which would harm her reputation without providing sufficient supporting evidence for the claims made against her. (Sufficient evidence being "proves" or "demonstrates", not "might lead some t believe").

Qualifiers such as, "I believe" were generally sufficient to prevent being challenged to a duel, because then it was an expression of personal opinion, not a claim of verifiable fact.
Back then, people generally made a distinction between opinion and fact, both as speakers/writers and as listeners/readers.

That being said, a work of fictional satire, in which the characters and events (even if also fictional) are thinly veiled references to real people COULD, if the resulting caused sufficient damage to someone's (usually a woman's) reputation and social standing for being made the butt of the joke. There's a particularly notable instance of this resulting in a challenge to a duel (a couple decades after it had been outlawed), but the particulars (names, dates, location) escape me at the moment, so I can't even look for it with a search engine.

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 03, 2020 1:45 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:@11: "They most hate those with the power to cast them out. That is why atheists hate God."

By that logic, Lucifer is the ultimate gamma. (Except Lucifer can't be an atheist.)


Atheists aren't atheists either.

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 03, 2020 1:51 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Because Gammas are desperate to be part of the hierarchy

So they can replace it with a Gammarchy.


Dear God. Rule by Nerds? You'd think it would be a Star Trek utopia, but it would in reality be more of a Star Trek convention society with gammas all arguing with each other in perfectly accented Klingon.

Blogger Dole February 03, 2020 2:00 PM  

@20 I wonder this as well, surely there is some function for them? Perhaps in some cases their undermining is useful to make sure that the alpha is not full of it and is capable of dealing with snark? The shit tester of sorts...

They seem to only get in the way...

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 2:02 PM  

Lazarus - Gammas Never Leave is a good title for a Romance Noir novel.

Yes it is! However, sales may be slow given that women will have as little interest in a fictional Gamma as they do in a real one.


The Gamma isn't her hero, he's the problem-which-must-be-solved/obstacle-which-must-be-overcome by her hero. He hangs around. A lot. Sometimes watching from afar. And when he's not asking impertinent questions about everyone who visits, he's reciting creepy details, such as how many seconds it was between when she turned off the TV and turned on the light in the bathroom.

The plot is how she wins over the Alpha to get the Gamma to finally going away after years of very poorly written mash notes, drunken 3 AM phone calls, and stalking.

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 2:15 PM  

"Ask them to get in the ring."

Asking? Why would he do a favor for his opponent.

Order them to get in the ring, or retract their evil lies and rumors. Said order best given while standing behind the perpatrator, with his neck firmly wrapped by your arm around his neck.

We had boxing rings on bases in Iraq, precisely for this purpose.

Usually, if someones reputation for mouthiness reached to the platoon sergeant or first sergeant level, the first sergeant would order the gamma into the ring with one of the people being slandered.

Word would get around base quickly. This generally had a very strongly suppressive effect throughout all units on the base, as the story of what happened would get passed from unit to unit in the mess hall, PX, and other places where soldiers from different units would mingle with each other.

On my FOB, Rustamiyah, the boxing ring was conveniently located less than 100m from the hospital, and only 50m or so from the medevac helicopter pad.

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 2:20 PM  

@28

"Dear God. Rule by Nerds? You'd think it would be a Star Trek utopia, but it would in reality be more of a Star Trek convention society with gammas all arguing with each other in perfectly accented Klingon."

And now you understand why in dynastic China, every so often, an emperor would have every last Mandarin in the palace executed.
Mandarin is one of the several distinct languages of China, which are all connected only by a common written language of ideographs with no phonetic elements. Therefore, it is the literal real-world "Klingon" of Chinese culture.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 03, 2020 2:27 PM  

"Atheists aren't atheists either."

Correct, they just won't admit that what they worship are gods to them.

"Perhaps in some cases their undermining is useful to make sure that the alpha is not full of it and is capable of dealing with snark? The shit tester of sorts..."

We have women for that.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 03, 2020 2:33 PM  

"Gammarchy" Another name Worldcon?

Blogger Zander Stander February 03, 2020 3:00 PM  

Beware Doc Holiday's invitation to a duel in movie Tombstone:"How about a spelling contest?". He sounds a bit gamma.

Blogger Unknown February 03, 2020 3:16 PM  

7 year old shooter with 48 player platoons? Hello fellow Planetside 2 fan. I love that game. BeatYourHeadInVS on Connery. Remember to employ the mute feature ;)

Blogger rumpole5 February 03, 2020 3:44 PM  

Rejection and failure (and forgiveness) are an essential factors in a reasonably happy life. It is tragic that some people have to go through life buried and burdened with a load of resentments. Eventually that Madam Dufarge muffler you are knitting will suffocate you.

Blogger RandyB February 03, 2020 3:52 PM  

Gammas worship themselves, period. "I shall have no other gods before Me."

Blogger TheMaleRei February 03, 2020 4:44 PM  

@35
The invitation to a duel of a "spelling contest" was against the out-group, not the in-group of himself and his friends. Doc Holiday is anything but a gamma, he does his own thing *and* has an attractive woman on his arm, also Earp respects him enough to let Holiday handle at least the beginning of the situation. It's doubtful that Earp respects Gamma behavior.

And Ike, who Doc directly insults-attacks, is a Gamma coward himself as revealed in the rest of the film.

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2020 5:13 PM  

@26. Akulkis
The rules of dueling: If you don't show up, you lost the argument[...]

That's why I typed in the second paragraph. A gamma gets challenged, and he either runs away or loses, but still thinks he's in the right in his mind and still goes about getting his "justice" one way or another, in his self-delusion.

It takes more than being popped in the mouth when you're a full-blown Gamma to get better. It's harder to change your stripes when you're older, converse to when you're younger and not as set in your ways. Then getting into a fight will do wonders to realizing the tangible value of physical force.

But when the patient is full-blown and set in their ways, you have to pin them down until that delusion bubble is popped. A duel that the gamma has to accept is not enough of being pinned down.

Blogger Scott February 03, 2020 5:21 PM  

"What do they win if they are successful?"

A momentary reprieve from their miserable life.

Blogger Tom d February 03, 2020 5:24 PM  

As someone who has engulfed themselves in online discourse involving a specialized subject matter, the gamma traits are all too familiar. The most interesting reveal of the SSH to me was VD's mentioning that gamma's don't like each other - they are really only allied in opposition to the common enemy. I assume there must be a hierarchy within the gamma hives populating forums like reddit - if so, what happens when the alfa gamma kicks someone out of the group or infighting ensues - do they plot and seek revenge against each other? Are we seeing such behavior on a macro level within the Democratic Party?

Blogger Greg Hunt February 03, 2020 5:32 PM  

I've noticed a momma's boy near me, age 10, has strong gamma traits.

Is that a good predictor, a mother who believes her son has never done anything wrong, combined maybe with a father who's not doing his duty?

Blogger Beehive Bear February 03, 2020 5:37 PM  

I'm a leader who has a gamma wannabe-stalker that tried to circle back to me. I had to reject him because he wouldn't stop doing really bad things. He is lurking in the noxious fog and nursing his resentment. He reminds me of Gollum.

Thanks for reminding me that he will always wait for an other opportunity to strike. I had been wondering what his next step might be. Now I know that, barring any opportunity, he will just wait resentfully. That's all.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 03, 2020 5:46 PM  

@39 TheMaleRei

re "And Ike, who Doc directly insults-attacks, is a Gamma coward himself as revealed in the rest of the film."

It was only many years that I realized that the sniveling Ike was played by Stephen Lang, same guy who played the badass merc leader in Avatar. Talk about doing a 180 in characters.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 03, 2020 5:49 PM  

@26 Akulkis re duel over the wifes good name -- are you thinking of Andrew Jackson?

Blogger Dole February 03, 2020 5:51 PM  

@33

Women seem a bit conformist to effectively test alphas within the hierarchy.

I do like the question regarding gamma's role, if they serve no purpose are they not just losers... maybe they are more creative than the deltas, but this is also a cost...

@42

I do not even wish to imagine. The gamma hives are miserable places. Immediately if someone takes off they start pulling down so that everyone can enjoy their loserdom together. No wonder they hate our big alpha and support socialism, seeing themselves as the "king" of course. Snark, snark, snark...

Blogger Thomas Howard February 03, 2020 5:55 PM  

Yes. Mutual combat. Texas penal code 22.06

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 6:30 PM  

There's an industry standard template structure for all romance novels -- simply because they have been selling this exact same story, in thousands upon thousands of different guises (different names, places, era, different narrative styles, etc.) from who knows how many authors (some under multiple pen names to denote different styles or eras or whatever) for decades.

Any aspiring romance novel author will be provided the template -- whether s/he wants it or not. Publishers do not request that submissions conform to it; this is an absolute, non-negotiable demand, because the romance divisions of publishing houses are in it purely for the money. That money comes from keeping the fan base entertained, and living up to ALL of their expectations (i.e. the exact opposite of Kathleen Kennedy meets Star Wars, or JJ Abrams meets Tolkein). These publishing divisions have absolutely no pretense that any submission they receive might be the next Great American Novel(TM). They consider it to be less of an art form than a trade. They want EVERY romance novel published to return a profit, and any deviation from the template is an unnecessary risk.

Whether the intended audience is teenage girls or old widows who haven't had sex in years, the STRUCTURE is the same. No X-rated stuff for the teenage market. On the other extreme, widow grandma wants something with a cover illustration showing a barechested man AND a woman wearing clothing showing signs of being ripped open by him, and ends with graphic verbal descriptions to match.

Per the template: The guy is someone she knows of, either by name, or only vaguely, before he ever knows she even exists. He shows up in her life while going about her own -- NEVER the reverse. If it's a business setting, he shws up at HER place of work, her at his.. Before (if he has a reputation which precedes him) or upon meeting him for the first time, she despises him over something she perceives as evidence of a deep character flaw. And other people like him. HE INFURIATES HER -- he's too arrogant or [Insert Dark Triad traits here], and worst of all, arrogant or whatever TOWARDS HER (can you imagine!@!!). The next time they are near enough to have a conversation, she does something to belittle him for being/doing whatever it is that infuriates her. (Insults him, snubs him, depnding on the scene) Then, at some later date, she discovers something not so obvious about him that changes her opinion. She then throws all of her effort into getting him into being more to him than the grouchy bitch who treated him like dirt for just being an upstanding and honest man. Eventually, she succeeds. Wind down the story to finish up. The end.

It's a female variant of The Hero's Arc, in which the journey starts out with her as a narcissistic shrew who thinks overly well of herself, and only wants to associate with "the right" people.* She doesn't think he's worth even knowing, but circumstances put her in close (and increasingly uncomfortable) proximity with him. She lets him know how poorly she thinks of him, and upon discovering that she's wrong (about both herself AND him), then has to put in significant effort undo the damage she's done so that she can win him over.

* Even if it's some medieval court royalty fantasy setting, and The Guy is a prince, he starts out being the Wrong prince. People might like him, but in her eyes, he's evil incarnate. She ALWAYS knows of him, usually by name or reputation, before he learns of her existence, and long before he cares one iota what happens to her.

1/3

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 6:30 PM  

2/3

The story starts with her in her home, an early 1800's 5-bedroom farmhouse in an upscale neighborhood, which she bought, despite being single, as an investment.
From her hometown of Boston, she was transferred here to be the youngest senior manager of all the Bed, Bath & Beyond stores in the entire southeastern U.S.

On her lunch break, she runs into the gamma, who says something cring-inducing, which trigger memories of his earlier unsettling behavior.

She comes home from work to a putrid smell coming from the cellar, stinking up her old house, which she has redecorated and furnished in an eclectic manner since moving in, using mostly on stuff that went on close-out.

She calls a plumber to fix it at once, as she is hosting a small company get together of all the other managers (except the one working that night), and which will include her district manager who has a reputation for being "a neanderthal" and who will be visiting the store the next day. Not a hot date, but better than sitting around doing nothing, and he's not the gamma, who is worse than nothing.

The plumber is stocky man in dirty clothes who shows up after she called a local shop to solve her smelly basement emergency, which terminates beneath her kitchen sink.

In the course of his work, they talk. He jokes about her interior decorator being disorganized, and how in the meal she's preparing, she's using inferior substitutes (margarine for butter, aspertame for honey, white vinegar for the juice of 1 lemon, etc.) in her
A) quest to scrimp on things not worth scrimping on,
B) lack of recognition of what people will notice in the resulting differences of taste and texture, and/or
C) misguided sense regarding what ingredients are actually healthy vs not healthy to put into food.)

On top of that, it's all delivered in that rural Alabama drawl.

UPSETTING!

Especially since nobody asked for his opinion, and how utterly impertinent it is for a lowly plumber to dare gainsay her culinary choices -- why, she's the youngest manager blah blah blah. Does he even know who he's talking to??!?!?!? But she bites her tongue because she wants the sewer stink gone before dinner.

He has to get some rare fittings for to mate into her ancient plumbing, so he seals up the pipes to contain the smell until finishing the next day, as a fan is blowing out a window to draw fresh air into the upstairs as it blows the smelly fumes out the window in the cellar's exterior door. As the smell is subsiding, and he's starting to haul his tools and supplies out of the basement to his van, her guests start to arrive. Before he leaves, one of her guests strikes up a conversation. They think he's hilarious, and most of the guests arrive before he excuses himself to leave because he's hungry, and he's conspicuously under-dressed amongst her guests.

Over dinner, she tells him about the awful plumber. The district manager, who was the first to arrive, doesn't defend the plumber remarks about her disorganized aesthetics, but refuses to condemn him. This aggravates her. On top of that, she wants to try to enjoy the evening -- but can't. Especially with her neanderthal boss not seeing things her way.

Plumber returns the next day with the parts needed to finish the job, and as builds a new sewer line, she lays into him about his jokes about her cooking (she started in cookware!) and most of all her supposed lack of aesthetic taste.

For the next several days, she rages on about it with all of her women friends. One, somewhat older and wiser, points out how everything he said was accurate and she would be wise to take his good advice. But she's still upset by his impertinence. How DARE he!?!? Doesn't he know his place?

2/3

Blogger Akulkis February 03, 2020 6:34 PM  

3/3


Weeks later, the kitchen sink has a leaky washer. A new plumber arrives, who is clean shaven, unlike the last guy with his unkempt beard. He's wearing nice pants, no stains or odors, and a shirt and tie. As they're chatting, it slowly dawns on her that this is the same plumber as the last time. How can this BE?!? Her opinion REALLY changes as she discovers that he owns the business, is now a multi-millionaire, and a widower whose wife died while pregnant with whom would have been their first child. Unfortunately, for her, he's dressed up nice because HE has a social gathering to go to, and leaves out pretty quickly.

He still thinks she's a bitch, and doesn't do a good job disguising it, but he was happy to make a quick $150.10 $100 for showing up, $50 for his 30-minute minimum billing time, and 10 minutes of his time, and a 10 cents for the washer.

The ten cents really hurt her.

Once again, she's upset. How could she have been so stupid to not recognize the wisdom of a man who has been in hundreds of homes, and many wealthier than she is! And then to insult him on top of it all. Doesn't sleep well at night.

She concocts a plan. She prepares to cook an extravagant meal, using exactly the ingredients called for in the recipes book. To get him there, she sabotages the upstairs bath so that it requires a good 6 hours to replace the damaged hardware, and invites him to stay for dinner after his long hours (undoing the damage she's done). She's overjoyed when he recognizes that she used the proper ingredients and praises her cooking.

Add on some sort of dating relationship, ending with the plumber proposing to her.

Throughout the novel, the gamma repeatedly appears, causing her annoyance and dismay, and from a literature perspective, provides contrast to her newfound plumber god. He never get so much respect as even having a name. He's just "that first guy whom, unfortunately, I met when moving here", "the odd guy who lives down the street" "that annoying guy", "the creepy guy", "the guy I wish would just go away." Never described the same way twice, but there is a continuity from incident to incident so that the reader understands that it's always the same annoying, creepy guy who lives down the street and made a pest of himself starting with the day she was moving in.

Etc, etc.

The Gamma from the title is a recurring, and constantly looming background figure, almost part of the scenery, and a secondary, irredeemable antagonist, and provides the final hurdle is for the plumber to demonstrate his true love by flushing the gamma out of her life.


The above is NOT a story. It's just an outline I concocted to show how a you could put a Gamma in a romance novel, even in the Title, and still have a "compelling" industry-standard romance plot.


The above took zero talent to write, other than a knowledge of English, and having once read the template (2 decades ago) in a PUA type discussion before it was called PUA. We all picked up a couple actual novels so we could show and discuss vague examples of what the template calls for and how it's actually implemented. This would be around when it was expanding with new sources beyond just Ross Jeffries and his "Speed Seduction" products.

3/3

Blogger Jay Will February 03, 2020 6:57 PM  

Kill all gammas

Blogger VD February 03, 2020 7:15 PM  

Beware Doc Holiday's invitation to a duel in movie Tombstone:"How about a spelling contest?". He sounds a bit gamma.

Not even a little bit. Doc Holiday in that movie is the very personification of the Sigma.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 03, 2020 7:43 PM  

"Women seem a bit conformist to effectively test alphas within the hierarchy."

Sure, they're conformist, right after the shit test.

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Blogger Uncle John's Band February 03, 2020 8:27 PM  

Gammas dueling is comical. They avoid situations where something or someone could make them put up like the plague.

And it's 2020. Only cavemen, apes, and red state males think violence is an answer. Evolved humans ackshully use something called a brain...

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Blogger MagnusStout February 03, 2020 11:30 PM  

Vox is to SSH as Taleb is to probability. Please write more on that topic—no one even comes close.

Aside: I’ve seen a dramatic shift in my day job from 10% women to almost 50% women over time and it has made things far less effective (emotional & treacherous). The worst thing? Women fight without honor (like a gamma). If gammas are men with female mindsets, then they have all the flaws of women without any of their virtues—truly a noxious combo.

Blogger Akulkis February 04, 2020 12:19 AM  

"And it's 2020. Only cavemen, apes, and red state males think violence is an answer. Evolved humans ackshully use something called a brain..."

I always laugh at liberals who snidely remark how (well-trained, well-rehearsed) military personnel demonstrating extreme proficiency at their duties are mindless and "robotic."


I verbally turn their world upside down, and say, "Suppose, you and I are in a firefight against some opposing force, who are trying to kill us and all of our friends. I'm in my position, and you are in yours. Both our rifles, yours and mine, run out of ammunition in the magazine at the same time."

"So, we both need to get rid of these empty magazine and put new magazines full of ammunition in our rifles. You follow me?"

"So you, because you're not a mindless robot, you pull your rifle down in front of you, and look down at it, and carefully actuate the magazine release, pull out the magazine, put it in your pocket, and then fish around in your stuff for another full magazine, and then look to make sure that the end of that top end of the magazine is towards the rifle, then make sure the bullets are pointing in the right direction, and then you guide it into place. You then release the bolt to load the first bullet from that that magazine, and now you put your hand on the pistol grip, raise the rifle back into a firing position, and now you're ready to resume looking for people trying to kill you and your friends so you can shoot them, protecting all of you. How long did that take you? 20 seconds? Nah. You're a thinking man, and you want to do this right. So probably about 30~45 seconds, just like me when I was in Basic Training."

"Meanwhile, in my position, I keep my rifle in the same position it was at when it ran out of bullets. Without looking, I casually move my left thumb about an inch, and press the magazine release. The old magazine falls to the ground. I then reach down with the same hand to my magazine carrier, as I continue to scan the area within my field of view. I know which end of that magazine is supposed to go into the magazine well, and I know how it is oriented so that when I put it, the bullets are facing forwards as I grab it with my left hand. As I continue to scan the terrain, I automatically tap it once or twice on my helmet to knock off any soil or other debris that might have got jammed into the top, bring it down, and by feel, using my left hand, I guide it into position and as a continuation of the same motion, the middle finger wraps around and trips the bolt release, loading the rifle. During all of this, I am still scanning the territory around me. My right hand has never left the pistol grip, and the butt of the rifle has never left my shoulder. My rifle is now loaded, still in the same position as when I fired last, and ready for me to resume firing. During all of this time, I "robotically" changed my magazine, all the time never taking my eyes off of our small little battlefield to look down at my weapon or my magazine. My magazine change took about 10 seconds. During that 10 seconds, I never had a single moment where my situational awareness was interrupted, because I continued to look and listen all around me for any signs of those people trying to kill us.


Now, I have a question.


Of the two of us, who do you think is most likely to have an enemy sneak up, unseen, on his position during that magazine change and reload, and is just waiting to see a rifle muzzle swing up into the air momentarily, before a helmet and head appears, so hea can shoot that person's head?

Would it be me in my position?
Or would it be you in yours?

You call it robotic. I call it keeping my head and brain in the most high stakes game a person can ever participate in (whether or not he wants to be a part of it). My mind remains in the game, instead of fiddling with my equipment which I should know well enough to operate in my sleep.

During this same time, where was yours?

Blogger Dire Badger February 04, 2020 5:59 AM  

A gamma CAN change, a smoker can quit smoking, a fatass can start working that ass off, a homo can stop sodomizing men, and a drunk can swear off liquor.

No, it is not likely, and it is every bit as difficult to do as those other resolutions. But it does happen every day.

All it requires is an enormous amount of pain, applied in the right place, to give a Gamma the willpower or obstinacy to identify his traits and repair them. The same sort of pain that causes a lifetime Atheist to realize WHY there is a god. The same kind of pain that forces a man to swallow, bitterly, the red pill, and the same kind of pain that makes you realize that not only are there things worth living for, but there are also things worth dying for.

Don't trust a Gamma that hasn't gone through hell and back to change, but when they have been through that furnace, cautiously give them a chance to prove themselves trustworthy. Pain, death, destruction of their family, and violent exposure to uncomfortable truths change a man, often for the better.

Blogger Dire Badger February 04, 2020 6:02 AM  

Uncle John's Band wrote:Gammas dueling is comical. They avoid situations where something or someone could make them put up like the plague.

And it's 2020. Only cavemen, apes, and red state males think violence is an answer. Evolved humans ackshully use something called a brain...


Too bad you don't use yours enough to realize that sometimes, Violence IS the answer. In cases of oppression and manipulation, it is often the ONLY workable answer.

Real Humans can recognize the difference.

Blogger Uncle John's Band February 04, 2020 6:21 AM  

Retards who are too stupid to recognize sarcasm define too short for the ride. Misspelling "ackshully" should be sufficient for anyone with an IQ over room temperature.

@Dire Badger - you surprised me. I thought you were sharper. I stand corrected.

@Akulis - You didn't. You spew walls of text bloviating about yourself like a woman. No one cares.

Blogger Dire Badger February 04, 2020 7:19 AM  

@Uncle-

Like the Babylon Bee articles, sometimes sarcastic humor and actual commentary are indistinguishable. Remember the article about the Tragedy of there being no violence at the VA Gun rally? I read 3 similar articles, that were published as 'real news', that virtually restated the exact same thing... how surprising and disappointing it was that the Rally attendants 'faked' good behavior as a conspiracy to discredit the 'legitimate' press and authority before they returned home to get drunk and truck-hunt mailboxes, beat women, and burn niggers.

That's a reason, not an excuse. I should not have insulted your intelligence.

Blogger MrNiceguy February 04, 2020 8:26 AM  

"Robert's Rules of Order always sounds better in the original Klingon."

Blogger Uncle John's Band February 04, 2020 11:24 AM  

@Dire Badger

Fair enough all around. We're good.

Blogger MrNiceguy February 04, 2020 11:49 AM  

The gamma equivalent of the duel is the online slap-fight. The weapons of choice are wall-of-text and snark. Examples abound, but the most abundant source can be found by opening the Wikipedia page for any anime series and looking at the "Talk" page.

Blogger Dire Badger February 04, 2020 4:07 PM  

Call me a snark if you like, but I just don't 'get' anime.
90% of the animation is just plain bad. the figures and stylism look like they were designed specifically to allow the artists to be lazy, the memes are overrepresented (blood gushing from the nose denoting attractiveness? what the hell does ... mean anyway?)

The variety in characters is worse than marvel. The facial expressions are so broad as to be irrelevant, and the over-the-top 'imagination' sequences to denote emotional content are like watching a couple of retards trying to fence.

The worst part, of course, are the stories... retreaded Japanese legends that frequently have no ending or the ending involves the hero dying in some gruesome way in order to avoid having to actually finish the story.

What is the appeal? self-hating japanese culture worship? little black-haired women that look like children to get their pedophile rocks off without going to jail?

ANY Don Bluth Film makes even the best Japanimation, even the most artsy fartsy stuff, look like the shallow, pointless pap that even the 'greats' indulge in. Ghost in the Shell? Akira? Total shlock retellings of 50's sci-fi with a suicidal japanese cultural twist.

It's as bad as those world war 2 dispsticks that gutted themselves after a failure in order to 'square things with their ancestors' instead of having to actually work to fix the problem they helped create.

Blogger John Rockwell February 04, 2020 8:02 PM  

@Dire Badger

Why I watch older Anime like Legend of Galactic Heroes.

But in comparison to western animation it overall have better storylines that one can choose from.

Western entertainment has become such trash that anime is the only things left.

Blogger SciVo February 05, 2020 4:16 AM  

@Eduardo:

I found that weird... Why crawl back to someone you hate? Doesn't it mean you lost if you conceed that you need that "friendship"?

It's the anxious-aversive attachment style. Goes under several different names, but basically, you can recognize it from the love-hate cycle that just can't quit.

Blogger SciVo February 05, 2020 4:32 AM  

Notice that their most bitter hatred is always and invariably focused upon those who have rejected them, male or female. They most hate those with the power to cast them out. That is why atheists hate God.

Yeah, it all comes down to a refusal to admit the authority of another to judge. Which is why they can't accept that they had a stain on their soul for Jesus's sacrifice to cleanse.

An entire book could be written on Jesus's love of deltas, who know they aren't the isht.

Blogger SciVo February 05, 2020 4:52 AM  

@Cloud William:

Unless death is the outcome of losing, dueling with a gamma is a waste of time.

That is false. I went from an omega in high school to a gamma in college, and part of my path to delta was taking martial arts and encountering how utterly useless it was for me to punch a guy twice my weight. Physics will not be denied!

Blogger SciVo February 05, 2020 5:00 AM  

@peacefulposter:

Yes it is! However, sales may be slow given that women will have as little interest in a fictional Gamma as they do in a real one.

I am trying to think of a market for Gammas Never Leave, and I think that you're right. Even though rape fantasies are common, they're more along the lines of "Robert Redford that won't take no for an answer."

Blogger SciVo February 05, 2020 5:11 AM  

@ScottC:

Vox, if all gammas disappeared tomorrow would anything of value be lost that couldn't be recovered by other members of the SSH?

I will field that question. What gammas bring to the table is a hyperfocus on subject-matter mastery as a path to social acceptance. So to fill that gap, other members of the SSH would have to do things that bore them to tears.

Blogger Akulkis February 06, 2020 6:08 AM  

@Uncle John's Band

What I wrote there wasn't about me -- it was about the difference between any well-trained soldier and a "thoughtful" liberal who looks down on the well-trained soldier as a mindless robot. I simply use myself as an example, because by personalizing the narrative, it has more impact on the naive civilian, to indicate that I'm not just talking out of my ass.

Get a clue. Buy one if you need to.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry February 09, 2020 2:57 PM  

Just a nod of encouragement to the group from an old grizzled Daily Pauler.
My comment....no comment.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus February 14, 2020 10:57 PM  

Better storylines and memes. The art bit is arguable, considering the master pieces of the past decade. If anything, the only viable issue is the amount of formulaic material and art that comes out of cookie cutter studios. But on the flip side, it makes the difference between a thriving industry largely free of SJW nonsense versus one that is beholden to SJWs and communist pushed writing/art standards where everything practically the same (Current state of Western Animation. Everything is trying to be We Bare Bears without any of its good qualities and the Virtue signalling/SJW shit/Millennial woke shit dialed up to 11).

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