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Tuesday, March 24, 2020

These are NOT the end times

All End Times preaching is nothing more than narcisissm + false prophecy.  A reader writes:
A preacher that I know, who has preached the end of the world for 40 years, and has been wrong for 40 years, when asked about this current situation, said assuredly that this was not the end! He has always been wrong, so either it is the end, or, and this is my prediction, he will change his mind and start declaring it the end, or the beginning of the end. He, to a certain extent, and I dare say all end times preachers, are false prophets. That may be harsh, but if what they say does not come true are they not false? Would not my Dad, Uncles, Aunts, Grandparents, and Cousins been better served by a different message before they died. Were they living in the end times?
Every single person who states a firm opinion about any time being the end times is a false prophet and a liar. Every single one. I've been hearing Boomers pontificate about this since the end of the 1970s. I still remember the idiotic pamphlet "88 Reasons for 1988". Even at the time, I knew it was complete idiocy, given specious illogic like "1988 is the 100th U.S. Congress. Water boils at 100 degrees. Therefore, the world will end in 1988!"

In fact, Boomer eschatologists who breathlessly followed Hal Lindsay were one reason I rejected Christianity as a teenager. It was patently obvious even at the time that there was absolutely no truth in them, as events have subsequently confirmed. That being said, the one thing I will say for Mr. Lindsay is that he correctly predicted the rise of global Islam at a time when absolutely no one else did, and he did so on the basis of logic derived from the Bible.

Jesus made it very clear that even he didn't know the hour. So you don't either, and don't start appealing to how you're certain that it is "the season" either. Evil men that people were identifying as potential Antichrist candidates in 999 AD have been completely forgotten by history, and there isn't even a moderately plausible candidate today. So get over yourselves, forget the idiotic and entirely non-Biblical rapture nonsense, and deal with the fact that you're almost certainly going to have to deal with the fallen world as it is for the rest of your life.

Live, love, and leave off waiting for a deus ex machina.

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104 Comments:

Blogger The Course of Empire March 24, 2020 10:14 AM  

Safest position (and I'd say the most Biblical one): the end times is all time after the first advent of Christ until His second advent.

Blogger islanti March 24, 2020 10:14 AM  

How do you feel about Bruce Charlton and his friends who strongly believe this is a totalitarian takeover and the lockdowns will never be lifted?

Blogger borsabil March 24, 2020 10:16 AM  

We're in for hard times but the men of the west have faced much harder and emerged triumphant. I was sperging out today looking at the potential downsides for my business which are enormous, but then I remembered the real treasure God has given me and if I lose every damn cent I'm still immeasurably blessed. In other words we won't get through this by acting like pussies, our children need us so man the fuck up.

Blogger logprof March 24, 2020 10:21 AM  

Seen on local church sign yesterday:

Repent

Hell isn't cool

Blogger VD March 24, 2020 10:34 AM  

How do you feel about Bruce Charlton and his friends who strongly believe this is a totalitarian takeover and the lockdowns will never be lifted?

I think Jenny is a total bitch and Chad could do so much better than Debby. Don't ask me how I feel or what I think about other people and their opinions. I'm not answering those questions anymore.

Blogger Bogey March 24, 2020 10:34 AM  

There's still a lot that needs to happen so I'm not jumping the gun. What's instructive about the coronavirus is it's another indication of how quickly the world can change in a very short time, so I'll never say never either.

Blogger MadMax1861 March 24, 2020 10:36 AM  

The word Rapture is never mentioned directly in the Bible. But Jesus spoke of something like it: Luke 17 34-36 "I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

Blogger Azimus March 24, 2020 10:36 AM  

IMHO many people who preach doomsday are actually hoping for/wishing for doomsday, because they simply don't want to face the foe anymore. Its some kind of escape to them. Nevermind the fact that there's 0% chance it will turn out how they think it will and nevermind the piles and piles of bodies that would be stacked up, including children. Not all preppers are like that, but its chilling how many are.

Blogger Bogey March 24, 2020 10:37 AM  

There's still a lot that needs to happen so I'm not jumping the gun. What's instructive about the coronavirus is it's another indication of how quickly the world can change in a very short time, so I'll never say never either.

Blogger VFM 4388 March 24, 2020 10:37 AM  

I am not a theologian nor the son of a theologian, but my church teaches that all times since the ascension are the end times, and the descriptions in e.g. Revelation are less a prophesy of unusual events and more a description of how things always operate behind the curtain.

As for waiting for a deus ex machina, remember that the goal of the Christian is that when Christ returns the Christian will be found not locked in his room and waiting, but standing at his post doing his job. I think C.S. Lewis correctly identified the purpose of eschatology: "It could be in a thousand years, so we'd better make sacrifices to improve the future. It could be tomorrow, so we'd better make sure those sacrifices are moral and just, so that we're not embarrassed that we did something monstrous to bring about a glorious future that never came."

Blogger Azimus March 24, 2020 10:42 AM  

VD:
"I think Jenny is a total bitch and Chad could do so much better than Debby"


If only there was more wit like this on the internet... I was confused for a blink of an eye then had a good laugh

Blogger Zorlig March 24, 2020 10:43 AM  

Technically these are the end times. Every prophecy has been fulfilled except Christ return for many many centuries now.

Blogger xsdenied March 24, 2020 10:43 AM  

I think this false doctrine of the pre trib rapture has had a great influence in christians becoming weak. I've heard it so many times even from the pulpit we don't have to worry about anything because Jesus is going to snatch us all away before the great tribulation and coming of the anti christ. So why even bother fighting for your culture, faith and future. Just sit back and relax.

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 24, 2020 10:44 AM  

"All End Times preaching is nothing more than narcisissm + false prophecy."

I grew up near a small town in rural Southern Ontario, 1960's and 70's, so still heritage and traditional. We had some real characters as all small communities do. A few lived for the end times. They couldn't wait. Even as a kid I knew it was just so they could Lord it over all of us sinners while they were saved. So yes, narcissism and power. Awful people, really. They must have been so much bitterness and spite at what was really just the lot in life they made for themselves. But small town, so they were tolerated and accommodated along with the eye rolls.

Blogger CM March 24, 2020 10:46 AM  

My biggest eschatological nonsense are the idiots who are trying to make Jesus come faster... I don't exactly get how they expect to accomplish this. It reeks of manipulation.

I read this great series of fantasy books a while back about a man who began serving a tyrant and then met The King. He has become the tyrant's Right Hand man, but he is actually serving The King who is planning his return to take back the kingdom from the Tyrant. All the king asks from the man is obedience.

But the man, at one point, wants to do what he can to make the King's return come faster and everything he does ends up causing catastrophe after catastrophe. He flees to the King and he reiterates - all I asked for was obedience.

So, whether end times are near or far, the only thing expected or required of us is simply obedience. It isn't our job to hasten his return and we don't even need to be on the look out for the signs - just obey Him.

Blogger Sargent.matrim March 24, 2020 10:47 AM  

Is a link to my video on why the rapture is not biblical ok to be linked here?

Blogger CM March 24, 2020 10:48 AM  

I think Jenny is a total bitch and Chad could do so much better than Debby.

VD's gone basic. Uggs and Pumpkin Spiced Lattes in his future.

Blogger Calvin809 March 24, 2020 10:51 AM  

There is a great book on predictions and pronouncements of the end of the world throughout history called "The Day and the Hour" by Francis Gumerlock. It covers the interest of the Christian church with predicting the end of the world from AD 55 to AD 3836.

Blogger doctrev March 24, 2020 10:52 AM  

VD wrote:
I think Jenny is a total bitch and Chad could do so much better than Debby.


Hah! So say we all. Bloody Jenny.

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 24, 2020 11:02 AM  

Full disclosure - I was an 'End-Times' believer for over 20 years - as I explain at my website. Beginning in 2006, I started to read-read-read - challenging my own beliefs.
The result - "So this is a new listing for your convenience – in chronological order.

No, this is NOT the ultimate source, but it is a beginning for those who are willing to challenge what they ASSUME to know as DaTruth and might discover what they know – AIN’T so!
Been there – done that!
Allow yourself adequate time for this project and invite others to join in the adventure – but BEWARE of your PRESUPPOSITIONS! They can hang you up for years and stop your learning!"

If anyone wants to dig into this, prepare for a long haul - it is NOT for 5 second attention spans -

https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2020/02/cap-kingdom-of-god-study-list.html?m=0

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 24, 2020 11:05 AM  

I think a lot of older people want it to be the end times because they are afraid of death and want Jesus to return before they die.

Blogger VD March 24, 2020 11:06 AM  

That's find, Sargent.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 24, 2020 11:08 AM  

The people who seek to bring about the end times sooner will be surprised where they end up if they succeed. I doubt Jesus will have mercy on them.

They're like Shift the Ape.

Blogger Rowan March 24, 2020 11:11 AM  

Summer Olympics postponed to 2021. Surely it’s the end of days! /sarc

Blogger Oswald March 24, 2020 11:13 AM  

The word Rapture is not in the Bible. In my research, I have never found "end times" in the plural form. Now that may be a small point, but anything that is 99% true and 1% a lie, is still a 100% a lie.

Blogger 1LLoyd March 24, 2020 11:20 AM  

'Jesus made it very clear that even he didn't know the hour. So you don't either, and don't start appealing to how you're certain that it is "the season" either.'

I learned this years (and several end of the world proclamations) ago. We are called to obey Jesus, and let him handle everything he didn't tell us to do.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 24, 2020 11:29 AM  

Someone once said that eschatology is the science of last things, so we should probably study it last.

Blogger RobertDWood March 24, 2020 11:29 AM  

I'm interested. What's the book?

Blogger borsabil March 24, 2020 11:39 AM  

The WHO has announced that the United States is now the epicentre for the pandemic. It's economy is expected to take a 25% hit to GDP and suffer 30% unemployment. Meanwhile the Chinese are back to work and it's economy is expected to boom in the next six months. Corona-Chan was a mere bump in the road for them.

Blogger Jason March 24, 2020 11:40 AM  

Mohammedans have often acted as God's scourge as a result of apostasy.

Blogger Ken Prescott March 24, 2020 11:43 AM  

Aren't the End Times supposed to, well, END some time?

Blogger Akulkis March 24, 2020 11:44 AM  

"How do you feel about Bruce Charlton and his friends who strongly believe this is a totalitarian takeover and the lockdowns will never be lifted?"

There aren't enough government employees TOTAL to enforce such a lockdown after the danger has passed.

Example -- National guard -- current size, less than 1 company (approx 150 men) PER COUNTY. Reserves, about the same. National Guard is 2x the size of the regular army. That means the total army is only about 375 men PER COUNTY. Take out a slice for command posts leaves high 200s that can be put on the street. Now divide by 3 (for 3 shifts), and you have less than 80 men PER COUNTY that the military can put on the streets all at once.

Basically, this is equivalent to adding 2 precinct stations to the Detroit Police Department. Adding in personnel from USAF/USN/USMC could add another precinct. So, take all the military members from Wayne County, Michigan, and the Detroit Police Department would go from 10 precincts to 13 precincts. If the DPD were anywhere close to being able to lock down Detroit, it wouldn't be a major cesspool of burglary, robbery, beatings, murder, burglary + rape, robbery + rape, beatings + rape, murder + rape, and rape.

The vast majority of government employees are at the local government level.

If the number of people working for your local government were DOUBLED, could they lock down your town or city?

Maybe Las Vegas (they're the only ones with enough cash to through at that problem), but nobody else. Certainly not New York City.

End result after a week of attempted continuation of complete lockdown in NYC after the public gets sick of it will be a few thousand dead people -- approx. evenly divided between the cops and the rest of the population. Cost to non-cops < 0.001% casualties. Cost to cops > 80% casualties.

Without "shoot lockdown violators ON-SIGHT without warning," the general attrition rate will be one cop per one lockdown violator. In general, cops will be at the disadvantage, as their SOP is to travel in twos at most. They're also very easily ambushed. Changing the 2 per car SOP, or grouping cars together to say 2 2-man cars travelling together effectively halves their capability to surveil the streets.

Locking down the US is impossible as long as the citizenry is armed. The cops KNOW they don't have the manpower to disarm the public (and any attempt to do so will make every single one of them, especially the chief of police, a target of a lot of men who can shoot much better than 90% of the police -- and a lot of deer hunters, who tend to be very.... patient).

And the army ... you expect a bunch of right-wing gun-owning, mostly rural people to disarm fellow right-wing, gun-owning rural people, a good number of whom are military vets, many of them combat veterans themselves?

Ain't gonna happen.

As soon as a widespread "disarm the public" operation becomes well-known, EVERY man wearing government clothing will immediately become the target of every gun-owning citizens (shoot on sight rules), and the ones who are enthusiastic, or even moderately willing to carry out such orders will be the targets of the patriotic members within their own ranks.

Such an operation is doomed to failure, EVEN IF the entire chain of command down to the company commanders and platoon leaders were Obama-oid droids. It only takes 1 man out of 30~40 to kill that statist lieutenant, and only 1 out of 100~150 to kill that company commander. And replacements officers could and would be fragged as soon as they get sent in.

In short, as long as Americas LOVE the 2nd Amendment, we will never be disarmed. And the enlisted within the army are the insurance against that.

1/2

Blogger Akulkis March 24, 2020 11:44 AM  

2/2

As long as there's a 2nd Amendment, there's no chance of a permanent lockdown. 2~4 weeks tops. Then the criminal types start to feel their criminal ways being hampered -- and they start acting out against the cops. First onesie-twosies, but soon a gang-member or two gets killed in a fracas, and you've got a local gang-war. That draws a large amount of cops to one location. Attrition math comes into play, which never favors the smaller force (even if better equipped!) as long as the weaponry is of roughly the same level of range and lethality, which is the case (as Hellfire missiles will NOT be used against American neighborhoods without triggering an all out war against whichever government (state or federal) is responsible for even putting an Hellfire on one of its aircraft patrolling American soil.

Blogger Akulkis March 24, 2020 11:50 AM  

"Technically these are the end times. Every prophecy has been fulfilled except Christ return for many many centuries now."

Who is the world-wide loved leader?
What is or was the mark of the Beast (on the arm or forehead) that nobody is allowed to purchase or sell without it?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 24, 2020 11:52 AM  

The end times will involve Armaggedon and zombies not working from home and toilet paper shortages!!!
OTOH,because of the toilet paper shortage a certain New York paper could be legitimately be referred to as the "end Times".

Blogger Fozzy Bear March 24, 2020 11:55 AM  

We’ll all find out who the Antichrist is, when the Jews proclaim him to be messiah. Until then, don’t sweat it.

Blogger Rakshasa March 24, 2020 11:57 AM  

Oh great, the only positive side of this pandemic that I was looking forward to was that all the gaijins would be staying home; A summer saved.

Now it has been postponed, meaning they'll show up in 2021.

Blogger Akulkis March 24, 2020 11:57 AM  

""I think this false doctrine of the pre trib rapture has had a great influence in christians becoming weak. I've heard it so many times even from the pulpit we don't have to worry about anything because Jesus is going to snatch us all away before the great tribulation and coming of the anti christ. So why even bother fighting for your culture, faith and future. Just sit back and relax."

AKA -- "I'll have [retired/died/sold this] before my half-assed solution unravels catastrophically, so it becomes someone else's problem." /boomer!

Perfect example:
2009-2010 Flu outbreak -- Obama administration uses up most of the N95 mask stockpile. NEVER replenished it.

Trump now getting blamed for not being clairvoyant enough to realize how utterly feckless the Obama-ites are.

Blogger Doctor Mayhem March 24, 2020 12:00 PM  

We aren't living in the End Times, but we're witnessing the end of something, that's for sure. I'm starting to think that Revelations wasn't just prophecy of Rome's end,but of how all civilizations end.

Regardless... I need more ammo.

Blogger Dean Haskins March 24, 2020 12:02 PM  

Oswald wrote:The word Rapture is not in the Bible. In my research, I have never found "end times" in the plural form. Now that may be a small point, but anything that is 99% true and 1% a lie, is still a 100% a lie.

This is one of the more ignorant assertions from some of the many flavors of christianity, the counterfeit of the true faith--claiming that an English word not being in the scriptures means that what the English word describes is not in the scriptures. Clearly, christian blindness.

BUT, BUT, BUT, THE WORD "RAPTURE" ISN'T IN THE BIBLE

https://www.facebook.com/WayOfTheTabernacle/posts/1405521492928951

Blogger Joe Smith March 24, 2020 12:05 PM  

@24 When I saw that I realized Owen's conspiracy theory regarding coronavirus might be closer to what's actually going on than I originally credited.

Blogger The Observer March 24, 2020 12:05 PM  

My biggest eschatological nonsense are the idiots who are trying to make Jesus come faster... I don't exactly get how they expect to accomplish this. It reeks of manipulation.

The most wicked of these people are deliberately sowing wickedness in order to "force" God's hand to act when the world becomes unbearably evil. Immentanising the Eschaton has always been an effort of the wicked and a cover for their actions since time immemorial.

The people who seek to bring about the end times sooner will be surprised where they end up if they succeed. I doubt Jesus will have mercy on them.

Exactly.

Blogger Enjcj March 24, 2020 12:10 PM  

Mmmm Ms. Barnhardt and a lot of Catholics would disagree on, "There isn't even a moderately plausible candidate today." (To be the Anti-Christ). Bergoglio is definitely a plausible candidate. Called the false prophet frontrunner for the Anti-Christ. Stay prayed up folks.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 24, 2020 12:12 PM  

In my circles, we used to cross paths with these types. If I had a dollar for every post I read and every wide-eyed boomer I met telling me when TSHTF I could have funded a supersonic escape helicopter waiting on my roof complete with wet bar.
Around 10 years ago I got so fed up with it that anybody doing it goes right to the short bus file.

Blogger James Dixon March 24, 2020 12:14 PM  

Matthew 24:36: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Anyone who claims to know the day is lying. If anyone ever gets it right they made a lucky guess.

Blogger lowercaseb March 24, 2020 12:16 PM  

Thank you! If we got through 1983 avoiding a mutual first strike...we can get through this.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 24, 2020 12:34 PM  

xsdenied wrote:I've heard it so many times even from the pulpit we don't have to worry about anything because Jesus is going to snatch us all away before the great tribulation and coming of the anti christ. So why even bother fighting for your culture, faith and future.
Jesus addressed that. Matthew 24:45-51:

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?
46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.
47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’
49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.
50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.
51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

No slacking, be about the Father's business, because He will call you to account some day.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 24, 2020 12:42 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:I think a lot of older people want it to be the end times because they are afraid of death and want Jesus to return before they die.
I'd be OK with not dying. On the other hand, my Savior died for me, so it's kind of presumptuous of me to ask for better treatment than the only begotten Son of God got.

Blogger Stilicho March 24, 2020 12:44 PM  

"Corona-Chan was a mere bump in the road for them."

Go hug a chink already. China has far bigger problems than the US, which proba bly sucks for you living in a quasi-vassal state. We simply don't need China. china on the other hand. Desperately needs the US. It's going to suck for china as US trade dries up and those traesuries they hold are confiscated to pay for corona chan. So solly.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 24, 2020 12:51 PM  

... it wouldn't be a major cesspool of burglary, robbery, beatings, murder, burglary + rape, robbery + rape, beatings + rape, murder + rape, and rape.
They like rape.

Blogger Shane Bradman March 24, 2020 12:51 PM  

Francis is clearly not the Anti-Christ. For every bad thing he's said and done there are two good things he's said and done. For supposedly righteous Christians, we are quick to hate our Christian brothers and leaders.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 24, 2020 12:58 PM  

What is or was the mark of the Beast (on the arm or forehead) that nobody is allowed to purchase or sell without it?

Well obviously it’s a vaccination scar.

Blogger Up from the pond March 24, 2020 1:05 PM  

Imagine Jesus coming back and finding His people waiting in the buff on top of a hill in the moonlight. Some end times folks really did that in 1000 A.D.

Blogger Barbarossa March 24, 2020 1:14 PM  

If anyone ever gets it right they made a lucky guess.

Hence the appeal of being the guy who predicts the end of the world or the next stock market crash. Eventually, someone's gotta be right!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 24, 2020 1:27 PM  

Vox, what do you suppose is the purposes of prophecy?

I would say we live in prophetic times and are at the end of an age. But I wouldn't say we're at the End Times.

Blogger Geir Balderson March 24, 2020 1:45 PM  

@29
The Who, except for maybe one good song, is the puppet of the Communist Masters in China. They will say and do anything to lift up the Socialist Ideals. Sort of like the Democrat Party.
So, stay calm and worry more about Jenny.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 24, 2020 1:46 PM  

I have theorized that the mark of the beast is more complex a concept than that assumed by these retarded churchians. Hurrr durrr a mark on your forehead!
The mark is more of a mindset or spirit. Notice how the leftists are trying to arrange a social credit system and weaponized cancel culture to deem any wrong-THINKER socially and financially ineffective.
Notice how the urban bugs and SJWs all look a certain way. Notice how the parents who take their kids to tranny story hour all look a certain way. Notice how these creepy globalists all look a certain way.
And we know what they believe in.
The "mark" is globohomo.

Blogger Akulkis March 24, 2020 1:51 PM  

@51

"Francis is clearly not the Anti-Christ. For every bad thing he's said and done there are two good things he's said and done. For supposedly righteous Christians, we are quick to hate our Christian brothers and leaders."

Wrong.

Francis isn't the Anti-Christ because vast swaths of the world recognize him for being the evil pile of whale droppings that he is.

Blogger OK March 24, 2020 1:55 PM  

Jesus said: "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." What we should know about the end times is that the Kingdom of Heaven is *ever* at hand, and we should at all times be preparing our hearts for His return in glory.

Blogger Akulkis March 24, 2020 2:01 PM  

@51

"Well obviously it’s a vaccination scar."

The only one that leaves a scar is cowpox used to vaccinated against smallpox. And smallpox has been eradicated in the wild, even in India by 1980 (last case was diagnosed in 1977, other than a very small amount stored at somed W.H.O. lab in Europe.

Find me a anyone outside of the military under the age of 35 who has been vaccinated for smallpox.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 24, 2020 2:03 PM  

#54

What's the saying, he predicted 5 of the last 3 market crashes.

Blogger Kiwi March 24, 2020 2:06 PM  

We don't get a lot of that talk here. Those people are presumed to be insane and/or high.

Blogger The Greay Man March 24, 2020 2:09 PM  

Yeah, rapture theology is often weakness.

Who wants to be scared about the end? Why do you want to vanish away just to watch everyone else die?

And there's no scripture for it happening as the seven years of tribulation starts. It's ridiculous.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 24, 2020 2:14 PM  

Exactly.

Blogger Captain Barnacles March 24, 2020 2:21 PM  

The baby boomers love “End Times” religion, because they can’t imagine a world without themselves.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 24, 2020 2:21 PM  

This sort of thing is exactly the first thing that tipped me off that my mother is a bit gullible, and that intelligence does precisely nothing to help someone be less gullible if they want to believe.

"Find me a anyone outside of the military under the age of 35 who has been vaccinated for smallpox."

Been in the military. Smallpox vax isn't the only one that can leave a scar. That being said, I suspect he was joking.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 24, 2020 2:27 PM  

Enjcj wrote:Ms. Barnhardt and a lot of Catholics would disagree on, "There isn't even a moderately plausible candidate today." (To be the Anti-Christ). Bergoglio is definitely a plausible candidate.
The Romans need to get over themselves. Their apostate poop isn't what John described in the revelation he got from Jesus.

Blogger Newscaper312 March 24, 2020 3:05 PM  

@Akulkis
"Wrong.

Francis isn't the Anti-Christ because vast swaths of the world recognize him for being the evil pile of whale droppings that he is."

Now that is funny.
Said as a not very devout Catholic very slowly coming out of a long agnostic phase.

Blogger Newscaper312 March 24, 2020 3:10 PM  

@Laramie
Way back in parochial school we were taught that a prophet was one preached the people had gone astray and better straighten up. That might include talk of an "or else" calamity if they dont, but the they were not primarily about foretelling as such.

Blogger CM March 24, 2020 3:30 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:I have theorized that the mark of the beast is more complex a concept than that assumed by these retarded churchians. Hurrr durrr a mark on your forehead!

The mark is more of a mindset or spirit. Notice how the leftists are trying to arrange a social credit system and weaponized cancel culture to deem any wrong-THINKER socially and financially ineffective.

Notice how the urban bugs and SJWs all look a certain way. Notice how the parents who take their kids to tranny story hour all look a certain way. Notice how these creepy globalists all look a certain way.

And we know what they believe in.

The "mark" is globohomo.


I once had a conversation with one of these strange people at the grocery check out (checking out my groceries) - he was very excited about the advancements in genetic alteration and was really hoping that someday, you could do designer genes - like get pink hair or cat eyes.

I pointed out that those traits don't exist in the human genome... so how do you think you'll get them? I didn't get an answer but it made me wonder... much like Hunger Games' Capitol dwellers, would these people willingly assume beastial genetics in order to be in their own image? What does that do to the Image of God? Are they still?

There's a lot of strange ways this can go. Mark of the Beast being a rejection of you as a created Image of God seems to be one such way it could be applied.

Blogger CM March 24, 2020 3:32 PM  

Their apostate poop isn't what John described in the revelation he got from Jesus.

He's just one of the religious leaders who would bend knee to it when it does show up.

Blogger CJ March 24, 2020 3:48 PM  

Rapture theology isn't restricted to Christians. The doom prophets of environmental apocalypse are probably more numerous at the moment. Hal Lindsey was at least more entertaining and less self-righteous than they are. And, as someone who was a young adult in the 1970s, the idea that it was the age of the Antichrist didn't seem totally implausible.

Blogger RMH in StL March 24, 2020 3:57 PM  

The end of the world happens all the time. It happens to numerous people each day. He comes like a thief in the night for each one of us at some point - quite often, completely unexpectedly.

Blogger The Bearbarian March 24, 2020 4:07 PM  

tell me about the third temple please, where is it located, and when was it built?

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 24, 2020 4:07 PM  

For every bad thing [Francis has] said and done there are two good things he's said and done.

I've heard some weak defenses of Fake Pope Frank, but this is a beaut. Akulkis is right: he can't be the Antichrist because no one takes him seriously enough as a spiritual or temporal leader. Even his defenders say you should ignore 1/3 of his teachings. If he tried to lead the world in some kind of crusade, everyone would assume he was just virtue signalling and ignore him.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit March 24, 2020 4:19 PM  

Whether it's based on Scripture or not isn't that important to those who have purchased homes and Ferraris with the money they made from writing about it.

Blogger Oswald March 24, 2020 4:22 PM  

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Blogger Oswald March 24, 2020 4:48 PM  

50. I was just going to ask why rape was listed so many times.

Blogger Oswald March 24, 2020 5:02 PM  

I wish to delete my response to #40.

Blogger Unknown March 24, 2020 5:03 PM  

True. I think some, definitely on the states don't want to think about tribulation and persecution Jesus said would come. It's not always easy to deny yourself and follow him.

Blogger Shadow Banisher March 24, 2020 5:37 PM  

We have been fed an artificial apocalypse conceived in the minds of psychopaths and their useful idiots who twist the scriptures into a spell-book for the power-hungry.

They will fail once more, as always.

God Wins.

Blogger Harris March 24, 2020 6:03 PM  

My Pastor responded to Coronavirus by imploring us to be selfless. We have hope, and it should affect how we act. Even if reaching out to others costs our lives, it is still right to do. At worst, we enter eternal bliss a bit earlier. But those without Christ have no hope. It is incumbent on us to ensure we act with compassion and care for those both with the same hope, and those without hope.

Blogger Ahărôwn March 24, 2020 6:09 PM  

It's interesting that the idea of the Rapture didn't really exist in Christianity until the Plymouth Brethren of the 1840's, alongside Dispensationalism, among other things.

It may not be the end times, but for all of us, it's our end time, so how do we handle it?

The early Pentecostals handled this very well. Jesus could come at any time, so they'd best be ready for him, by living holy lives and being about their Father's business of evangelism and teaching.

At the same time, no one could know the day or hour, so they still built businesses, churches, and had families, as if He would not return for centuries to come.

A lot of Christians, unfortunately, tend to one extreme or the other.

Blogger Zorlig March 24, 2020 6:10 PM  

This one?

Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? (1 Corinthians 6:19 NASB)

Blogger Brett baker March 24, 2020 7:26 PM  

Naw, Godfree Roberts assures us the US needs China more than China needs the US.

Blogger Brett baker March 24, 2020 7:28 PM  

Lay off Jenny. It's her little sister Aimee who's the psycho bitch.

Blogger Brett baker March 24, 2020 7:29 PM  

+1

Blogger Sargent.matrim March 24, 2020 7:47 PM  

Thanks Vox.

Here is a walk through of the main passages talking about the second coming. Showing how the rapture is not biblical. Our hope is the second coming, not some escape plan before things get bad.

https://youtu.be/D8an3W3F3ys

Blogger Sargent.matrim March 24, 2020 7:57 PM  

I agree 100%.

The book of Revelation was written to strengthen Christians in hard times. And the pre-tribs in an escape clause.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 24, 2020 8:34 PM  

It is very clearly a physical thing, one which allows a person to use the contemporary financial system. Why would it be in a forehead rather than a hand? - Islamic law calls for amputation of the right hand as punishment for theft. Therefore, anyone who has had their hand cut off will have to have the implant put into to their forehead.
I think it is almost certainly some sort of sub-dermal microchip, one which also allows the location of every person on Earth to be tracked simultaneously.
The Mark certainly reflects a spiritual condition but the thing itself is definitely physical.
You're right about the people who thought it would be a barcode, but a sub-dermal implant would never be seen.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus March 24, 2020 8:43 PM  

My take:

1) He is wrong, flat out.
2) Yes, he is a False Prophet
3) His personal theology wreaks of the unity at all cost BS that lead to the mess that modern Catholicism is, making him a heretic.
4) He doesn't have a good grasp of history, let alone an ability to discern court history from events as they occurred. (Why do I see this so prevalent amongst Catholic writers?)
5) He doesn't have a good grasp of politics outside of his very narrow purview.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus March 24, 2020 8:50 PM  

My take:

1) He is wrong, flat out.
2) Yes, he is a False Prophet
3) His personal theology wreaks of the unity at all cost BS that lead to the mess that modern Catholicism is, making him a heretic.
4) He doesn't have a good grasp of history, let alone an ability to discern court history from events as they occurred. (Why do I see this so prevalent amongst Catholic writers?)
5) He doesn't have a good grasp of politics outside of his very narrow purview.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus March 24, 2020 8:54 PM  

Forgot one last thing, he is also a Boomer. If not in generation, in mind, conduct, and soul. Though I'm not sure if he's like White Nationalist Anarcho Capitalist Blackacidlizzard who never admits he's wrong and makes gamma style threats.

Blogger Avalanche March 24, 2020 10:06 PM  

@19 "I think Jenny is a total bitch"

You guys only say that because Jenny is too pretty...

Blogger Avalanche March 24, 2020 10:21 PM  

@90 "also allows the location of every person on Earth to be tracked simultaneously. "

Oh, so it's a cell phone; and the future of cellphones is one implanted in your headbones...

Blogger James March 25, 2020 2:29 AM  

After His resurrection, Jesus said to His disciples (in the first century), "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Later, the Apostle Paul described how history would end: "But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet." This is not complicated. Jesus was given all authority in heaven and on earth at His resurrection. Then he was enthroned at His ascension (See Daniel 7:13-14 and Psalm 2). According to Paul, the second coming of Christ and the resurrection both happen at the end of history. There is no secret rapture. That false doctrine was invented by the dispensationalist heretic John Nelson Darby in the 1830s. Jesus delivers the kingdom to the Father at the end of history AFTER he destroys every other power and AFTER he subdues all of his enemies. This has to happen in history because all of Christ's enemies will have been conquered before the end of history. The rapture people are very wrong and have been wrong for 190 years. They twist the Bible and make Christianity look dumb to the world. Instead of falsely trying to predict the end of the world, Christians should be busy making the world a better place and preparing for the future. There will be no escape hatch. There will be no deus ex machina. Everyone will give an account for the work they did in this life and the fruit they produced. Those who sit around talking about and waiting for a rapture make themselves useless to God and to the world.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 25, 2020 3:12 AM  

@MadMax 1861. Luke 17 34-36 leaves plenty of room for the Rapture of the wicked.

Blogger James Jameson March 25, 2020 3:51 AM  

A guy from the same small sect as mine (in another town) visited our church once. He warned of just this thing, telling us how in the '90s certain boomers at his parish were trying to make it an ex-communicable offence to not believe 2000 was the year of the 2nd coming. Insanity.

Blogger FrankNorman March 25, 2020 4:46 AM  

29. borsabil March 24, 2020 11:39 AM

The WHO has announced that the United States is now the epicentre for the pandemic. It's economy is expected to take a 25% hit to GDP and suffer 30% unemployment. Meanwhile the Chinese are back to work and it's economy is expected to boom in the next six months. Corona-Chan was a mere bump in the road for them.


If that were true at all (it isn't) it would be because Communist China is a totalitarian state that doesn't give a hoot about mass casualties as long as their ideological goals are reached.

"So what if we lose 300 million people? Our women will replace them in a generation" - Mao Zedong on the topic of nuclear war against the USA.

Regarding the Rapture - yes, Biblically, that will be at Jesus' visible return to judge the world. The idea of the "Secret Rapture" that happens out of the blue seven years before does not come from the Bible - it gets read into the Bible by people who have been taught to see it there.

Blogger wgmeisheid March 25, 2020 8:13 AM  

While Hal Lindsay and his Late Great Planet Earth were essentially pre-trib, pre-millenial BS, his book did have one very important section for me and that was his conversion story which was instrumental in my own conversion. Reading his book one night in a motel, I got down on my knees and gave my life to Jesus Christ based on his personal conversion story and witness. That was the nexus point of my life, so thank you Hal for that. May God forgive you for the rest.

Blogger unpleasant_things March 25, 2020 10:45 AM  

What blows my mind is that none of the comments here have mentioned postmillenialism as opposed to the premillenial views you all seem to lean towards.

Please see: "Paradise Restored by David Chilton"

Do not forgo your tradition as Christians to be hopeful and victorious for the future.

Blogger CM March 25, 2020 1:43 PM  

unpleasant_things wrote:What blows my mind is that none of the comments here have mentioned postmillenialism as opposed to the premillenial views you all seem to lean towards.

Please see: "Paradise Restored by David Chilton"

Do not forgo your tradition as Christians to be hopeful and victorious for the future.


I see a lot of people mocking the predictions of the 2nd coming.

Not a whole lot of rejecting the idea of it ever happening.

I'm a firm believer in the physical resurrection and the redemption of all of creation, clearly not something that has happened yet.

Blogger JMS March 25, 2020 7:39 PM  

There have been alot of debates about Calvinisn in the past (and Post-Millenialism usually goes along with Calvinisn & Puritanism) and some of those Calvinidts may not post here anymore. (Check the archives!)

Blogger JMS March 25, 2020 7:42 PM  

One of the more sane pastor-teachers when it comes to eschatology is John MacArthur:

"I reject the wacky world of newspaper exegesis and cartoon eschatology, and crazy interpretation like the locusts of Revelation 9 being helicopters, et cetera. Look, I reject all of those really abusive and bizarre kinds of interpretation;" JMac

He also signed the Statement on Social Justice & Gospel and even tried to convert lil' Bennie!

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