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Thursday, March 12, 2020

Preparation is the play

Now, you are certainly welcome to bluster and posture about how you aren't afraid of no virus, or pontificate concerning the probabilities that corona-chan is just a hoax, and so forth. I don't mind that sort of thing. Everyone deals with these situation in a wide variety of different ways. Personally, I find the bluster-prone to be as needlessly annoying as the panic-stricken.

But what I do mind is actively telling people not to prepare for 2-3 weeks of quarantine, and here is why. Preparation is necessary if you are planning to stay home and keep the excursions outside to a minimum, we all understand that. But what most people fail to keep in mind is that if you, or anyone in your family, even gets knowingly exposed to the virus, (much less actually comes down with a case of the Wu-flu) you will be facing the same 2-3 weeks of home quarantine, only then it will be too late for you to obtain the necessary supplies. And then you will become an unnecessary burden on someone else to keep you supplied.

I understand that not everyone believes a nine-month supply of red and white wine supplemented by a six-month supply of prosecco - yes, we're ready now - is necessary, but there is literally no harm in doing the month's grocery shopping ahead of time and it might make your family's life considerably more easy in the next six-eight weeks if you take the trouble to do so.

One more thought on the subject. If corona-chan is a hoax being perpetrated by the good guys for Storm-related purposes, FFS, play along! 



UPDATE: There is also a major US military exercise taking place in Europe right now.

UPDATE: CDAN asks: "Does anyone think this will turn into The Purge?"

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182 Comments:

Blogger Don March 12, 2020 10:58 AM  

I personally don’t believe the virus warrants the panic but nonetheless My family has stocked up on food and sundries in preparation for the panic locusts cleaning out the stores.

Great advice sir! All I need now is more bottles of bourbon and we are good!

Blogger Timmy3 March 12, 2020 11:13 AM  

You need 2 to 3 weeks of fresh food. You can’t eat ready-to-make for that long. You’re still allowed to visit the grocery store every few days during a quarantine, but not if you’re the subject of the quarantine. Of course, many items will not be in stock by hoarders. Buy those items first. Toilet paper, rice, bottled water, flour, beer, wine, laundry detergent, bleach, ramen, bread, peanut butter, chips, cookies. Costco is great for pantry stocking.

Blogger Homesteader March 12, 2020 11:15 AM  

You don't need magic underwear to follow the Mormons' very good advice on this subject.

Blogger The Cooler March 12, 2020 11:16 AM  

I was sent on a mission to find rubbing alcohol yesterday. The World is officially out of rubbing alcohol.

Everclear mixed with Aloe makes great hand sanitizer, turns out.

Blogger Azimus March 12, 2020 11:27 AM  

I think BB and VD are sending two excellent complimentary messages in this era of soundbytes:

1. You're not going to die, this isn't the end of the world
2. People are never wrong to make simple preparations to provide for their families

These two messages are 100% consistent and coherent. It is the exact position I've taken. We stocked up on TP/Kleenex/Food/Medicines-Vitamins/Other essentials about 2 weeks ago. Spent maybe $200, and at this point if the grid doesn't go down (it won't), my family is prepared for a 30 day+ stay-cation.

If I've come off as blustering that this is a hoax, I apologize. I have an averse reaction to the giddiness of doom preppers who are essentially cheering on corona-chan and its potential to scythe vast swaths of the population, because they have their pallet of freeze-dried beans and AR15's.

Blogger Aeroschmidt March 12, 2020 11:31 AM  

A full pantry and a freezer full of meat is 3-6 months of food and a better way to live anyway. Buying bulk on sale cuts food prices 50% and let's you be pickier about quality.

How would storm related purposes affect the way you prep as opposed to a quarantine?

Blogger VD March 12, 2020 11:34 AM  

How would storm related purposes affect the way you prep as opposed to a quarantine?

Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 12, 2020 11:35 AM  

Don't forget to make sure you have enough food for any pets too.

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2020 11:39 AM  

Trump has perpetuated this to some extent, at least until yesterday. His "just the flu bro" tweet from Monday made it a lot easier for the mainstream boomer right to brush this off as nothing. And yes, you can rationalize the tweet and make it fit whatever perspective you like, but to the average IQ person, it was rhetorically no different than "it's just the flu".

Blogger Goodnight March 12, 2020 11:41 AM  

I'm on an immunosuppressant and have a chronic health issue (and grade school aged kids), so we've been taking it deadly seriously for about a month now. We went to Sam's to add to the stockpile about a week ago, and they were completely out of toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Bottled water and sanitary wipes were running pretty low too. Plenty of food and other health supplies were still around though.

One tip we've found - our local dollar stores have been really good about having sanitizer and wipes in stock. They've been much better than the big box stores.

We've already had two unexpected deaths in the family this year so everybody is very focused. The kids are even begging for things they can do to help. Please pray for us all and we'll do likewise. This could be a long Spring and Summer.

Blogger Sam Gem March 12, 2020 11:41 AM  

Coronavirus Cover Op 2020. Are we witnessing a swamp draining operation disguised as a public health safety response?

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Blogger urthshu March 12, 2020 11:44 AM  

The virus itself may not be a big deal for whoever personally but a shutdown is it's own emergency. Thankful for already being stocked up as a matter of habit

Blogger Johnny March 12, 2020 11:45 AM  

The reason they get into the "panic" talk is that they don't want to slow commerce needlessly. Unless a little over preparation is called panic, almost nobody panics ever.

Stopping an airborne virus requires an N95 certified mask. Most likely they have all been sold out for a while. The lighter duty versions offer some protection. The major benefit just might be that they temporarily keep you from touching your nose or mouth. Currently a mask isn't recommended for people who are not ill with the disease. Mainly it protects other people.

Keep in mind that whenever you open a door with a handle or pump gas, you are shaking hands with the last few people who touched that surface. Consider throw away plastic gloves, and when you get home, if not disinfectant, take several minutes washing you hands with soap and water. That is what it takes. Plus of course you car plus the home door knob are apt to be contaminated. The virus doesn't actually last very long in the open, most hand infections dispute quickly and it hates heat and sunlight. But rolled up with a little dirt or on the right kind of surface and it can go for days.

Blogger Jeff Wood March 12, 2020 11:47 AM  

"Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?"

Where would one obtain quicklime?

It is bloody quiet here in Italy now.

Blogger thesystemdisconnect March 12, 2020 11:49 AM  

nice, I keep a shovel on top of my vehicle. I think I need to get some more rope though.

Blogger LAZ March 12, 2020 11:49 AM  

"Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?"

SDL strikes again. lol

Blogger Dos Voltz March 12, 2020 11:50 AM  

I bought buckets of freeze dried food during Obama's Mulatto Mafia reign. Turns out I didn't need it in those years, but they're good for 25 years. So I'm still OK if the worst comes - and the worst is the panic of the hordes, (which is a legit concern unto itself) and not really the virus per se.

Covid19 is just another bit of bad news in a sea of millions of other data points.

The silver lining is that we will have more interest in closing borders, opening actual pharm plants in the US to produce our own FUCKING penicillin, maybe even tech companies will realize that it's smart to re-establish some mfg plants here in the US as well, at least as a hedge against foreign folks who, now quite openly, wish for our ill health and demise. A boost for nationalism, while at the same time exposing the open borders crowd (DNC) as the fools and frauds they truly are.

Proper preparation for all vicissitudes in life is just wise and, in other ages, would have been viewed as common sense.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 12, 2020 11:52 AM  

"Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?"

I bought a couple of 5 rd AR10 magazines to try out with a new red-dot on my carbine. Who needs a shovel? Ravens gotta eat too.

Blogger Bogey March 12, 2020 11:59 AM  

@4 True, the completely empty shelves at Walgreens was jarring, the one damn thing I didn't stock up on.

I heard folks were buying big sacks of rice at Wal-Mart. This isn't 1929. I bought lots of lunch meat, bread and other stuff that we actually want to eat and put it in the freezer. We're good....now how do you avoid going stir crazy for not leaving the house?

Blogger The Kurgan March 12, 2020 12:01 PM  

Indeed.
We were stocked up over a week ago. Now we're just testing the supply lines by ordering more in case its a full zombie apocalypse. And I won't detail the level of things we are stocked up on.
I mean, you would be very very disappointed with our booze stockpile, but we're perfectly able to not go outside for a few months now if need be.

Blogger Shimshon March 12, 2020 12:02 PM  

@7 "Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?"

The VFM would need nothing, as starvation improves productivity.

Blogger The Kurgan March 12, 2020 12:02 PM  

Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?

Heh...so about that extra stuff I wasn't going to mention... well, the Dark Lord understands!

Good hefty shovels.

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2020 12:04 PM  

Well, since I do hope to get some reading done in the downtime: any opinion on the works of Roberto Calasso, Vox?

Blogger Avalanche March 12, 2020 12:04 PM  

Panic panic panic! Argh.

Everyone is reporting and pushing and insisting that "people are panicking" -- as if doing late preps is somehow panic. Yes, everyone SHOULD have done it month/years ago. They didn't. Everyone should have quit smoking and drinking sodas, too. They didn't. Emptying the shelves at Costco and Walmart, however late, is not panic; it's a reasonable response to a newly noticed, scary situation.

Does anyone here personally know anyone who is actually panicking? Running around screaming with their hair on fire; making bad, foolish, or unreasonable decisions and choices? Any of your family members? Friends? Co-workers?

Is there ANY panic, except that which the media and govt is trying to get us to join?

Blogger Anonymous Commenter March 12, 2020 12:05 PM  

Just as an aside, one of my coworkers just looked up toilet paper on Amazon. All unavailable except for the Obama paper, 2 rolls 10 dollars.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 12:06 PM  

Get a bidet and dollar-store tea towels; saves you from having to stock up on t.p. and paper towels.

Blogger Avalanche March 12, 2020 12:07 PM  

@2 Toilet paper, rice, bottled water, flour, beer....

Timmy, you left off cough syrup and drops, throat lozenges, analgesics, anti-diarrheals, and the like. Bandages and antibiotic creams. No doc-in-a-box for us for the next long while! And if you get either corona-chan or the regular flu, you may be wishing you had OTC meds while you self-isolate and pray you do NOT need a hospital!

Blogger Joeplanet March 12, 2020 12:10 PM  

So glad I started a month ago, stocking up slowly.
My local stores are completely devoid of anything that kills pathogens. No bleach, isopropyl, disinfectant wipes, etc. All are gone. Paper towels/toilet paper is strip mined. 2.5 gallon water all gone.

If you find yourself in a bad situation, do what I am doing and that is talking to the neighbors on every side. We have great neighbors and we are all in this together. We can help one another with what we have and can share. Unless they are contagious, then they better stay on their side of the fence!

Blogger Joeplanet March 12, 2020 12:12 PM  

I’d gladly donate my shovel.

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2020 12:14 PM  

I understand that not everyone believes a nine-month supply of red and white wine supplemented by a six-month supply of prosecco - yes, we're ready now - is necessary, but there is literally no harm in doing the month's grocery shopping ahead of time and it might make your family's life considerably more easy in the next six-eight weeks if you take the trouble to do so.

Vox is right. I work for a Fortune 200 company with over 16,000 employees ... we all just got sent home beginning today to work at home until the end of this month. One family on our community has been exposed, and the children's day school has been closed the rest of this week.

Sending the wife out on a little shopping spree today.

Should be interesting.

Stay well and may Hashem protect and watch over His flock.

Blogger John Best. March 12, 2020 12:16 PM  

I moved up my massage and dental cleaning by a month, to make sure I wouldn't have any lingering health issues which could force me to leave the house when it starts getting worse over the next couple months. Its mainly that medical infrastructure will be overstretched and the NHS is rubbish at the best of times. Hopefully the weather will start getting warmer now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2020 12:17 PM  

For those looking for disinfectants, Home Depot saw this coming in January and ordered massive quantities. At least in the PNW, they still have still have stock in the warehouses. Get there early in the day before the store sells out.

Blogger KBuff March 12, 2020 12:19 PM  

I'm practicing some social distancing and preparation. Bottom line for me is I don't want to come down with this, even if it doesn't result in a hospital visit. I've had the flu twice over the last 20 years, both during the rare years I didn't get a flu shot. Hospitalization not required, and yet I was sicker than a dog both times. No work for a week, and I wasn't 100 percent for 1-2 months afterward.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 12:22 PM  

Remember also, alcohol based stuff (like Purell hand sanitizer) doesn't do much against a virus. Alcohol helps dissolve stuff, and dehydrates bacteria.

You want chemically active ingredients like chlorine, iodine, and/or bromine, to denature the protein coat so that it can't penetrate cell walls, which is the first step of the infection process.

Blogger Salt March 12, 2020 12:23 PM  

How would storm related purposes affect the way you prep as opposed to a quarantine?

Hmmm. Guess I could go to sea and do laps around Bermuda.

Blogger Jeff Weimer March 12, 2020 12:25 PM  

This is the correct take. I think the current hysteria is beyond the pale, especially compared to the 2009 swine flu, but having these basic precautions is just common sense for more than just this situation.

Blogger Krymneth March 12, 2020 12:33 PM  

About a month ago, I stocked up at Costco. Among other things, 3 25-pound bags of rice. Got read the riot act (in relative terms; most relationships would call it "mildly peeved") when it was discovered.

Just a few minutes ago got the concession that she can no longer mock me for it. If anything, we're the last light to go out where we are, and she just got back from the local megamart and was surprised at what's been cleaned out.

We've got a last few things to pick up before we're really quite ready, but it's not the stuff everyone's grabbing now.

I think we can go a month straight. Possibly longer.

Blogger Zander Stander March 12, 2020 12:34 PM  

Part of prepping should be buying blue chip stocks at rock bottom prices. Spend the cash now, if there is a crash it won't be worth anything anyhow. When this blows over you are going to rake it in.

Blogger BD March 12, 2020 12:46 PM  

Prepping for this is not panicking. If a given country decides people should completely isolate themselves to root out any lingering cases of this virus, you'd best be ready to avoid a mad dash to the nearest soon-to-be-empty shop. You'll be stocking up mostly on stuff you'll use regardless of how things go down, so it won't actually hit your wallet hard.

Besides, I can't help but chuckle when I hear people saying "it's just the flu, bro" and then quoting statistics related to deaths by flu, claiming that flu is more deadly. Even if it's just another version of a flu, it's still a pretty big deal. God only knows we need another endemic variety of flu rampaging unchecked in our societies.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 12:48 PM  

"We're good....now how do you avoid going stir crazy for not leaving the house?"

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Blogger Kat March 12, 2020 12:54 PM  

Bogey

Rice is easy to store and can be eaten for any meal of the day in a variety of ways. We're also stocked on oatmeal, pasta, cornmeal, and flour. I need to check the sweet potato supply. Freezer has 3 months of butter in it and plenty of good, pasture raised meats and soup bones.

A few weeks back I did some research and stocked up on herbs to make my own tinctures to address the crud (thank you whoever linked to Stephan Buhner), and we're taking Vit D, C, and zinc on a regular basis.

As to what to do while quarantined? Play board games with the family. Plant a garden. Practice an instrument. Write a book. Organize your attic. Learn a language. Read all those unread books in your bookshelves. Learn to make bread. Overhaul your budget. Plan an amazing road trip. Read poems (or a Shakespeare play!)aloud together.

Blogger Brett baker March 12, 2020 12:54 PM  

I was told at work yesterday we managed to get 12 small bottles of sanitizer, and no luck getting N95 masks we use on certain jobs.

Blogger Brett baker March 12, 2020 12:59 PM  

+1

Blogger Crave March 12, 2020 12:59 PM  

Wifey got the beans, rice and toilet paper. I procured a new reflex sight and magnifier combo as well as 1k rounds for my AR. We're good.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 12:59 PM  

You don't want this.
It does permanent lung damage.

Tissue is left honeycombed and scarred -- that's why people in China were collapsing in the street -- not enough oxygen in the blood to even walk.

I've been down to 80% blood oxygen, and didn't even feel safe sitting in a truck for a 3-hour ride. So, I ended up being taken to a nearby ER just before my unit convoyed to Camp Perry for the weekend.

Another 5% lower, and I'm sure I would have had difficulty even standing.

Blogger Ingemar March 12, 2020 1:05 PM  

Whether "the Corvid" is a true superbioweapon or just a flu, it's pretty clear that this is a psyop. The only question is by who, against whom? My read on Trump's address is that he knows this is a game and that he's playing along (and turning the tables).

I stocked up on non perishables before the panic got acute in my city. But the most important thing is to have a clean slate with God, because even the best laid plans of men can fail.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 1:07 PM  

"This is the correct take. I think the current hysteria is beyond the pale, especially compared to the 2009 swine flu, but having these basic precautions is just common sense for more than just this situation."

Unlike "normal" flu, this is more like the 1919 Spanish Flu -- it's killing relatively young people, at least in China.

2nd: reports are that if you do survive this, you could very well have permanent lung damage, with a substantial reduction in lung surface area, reducing the lung's capacity for O2 <==> C02 exchange, just like emphesyma. If you do survive it, better have skills to work a desk job the rest of your life.

If it's not permanent, who knows how long it will take to recover. No word on whether inhaled steroids (microgram doses, as used by asthma patients) can help the lungs grow new tissue or not.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 12, 2020 1:18 PM  

"Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?"

Cargo straps make it more entertaining.

Blogger Chiva March 12, 2020 1:23 PM  

I am taking this time to learn how to make bread from scratch. It is not hard to make an edible loaf of bread.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 1:25 PM  

This "leaving the house" that you speak of. What does it mean?

Blogger Johnny March 12, 2020 1:38 PM  

Alcohol at 70% is rated the best disinfectant, but it dries hands out like crazy and all but requires some moisturizing lotion along. Plus evaporates quickly.

Owing to ease of use and low cost, I anticipate using diluted laundry bleach or hydrogen peroxide. Probably along with a hand wash. Not as good but I guess it still works.

Dry rice is the cheapo solution. Add dried beans to it for protein. And water if that is an issue. Like a barrel in the basement or some such thing. Plus I suppose something for seasoning. You will have the time on your hands to do the cooking.

I am all for using toilet paper, but it surprises me how people focus on it. Regular paper is apt to clog up the septic, but then you could just throw it into a waste basket. And most tissues are pluming safe also.

Blogger urthshu March 12, 2020 1:39 PM  

>bought buckets of freeze dried food during Obama's Mulatto Mafia reign. Turns out I didn't need it in those years, but they're good for 25 years.

So to the end of Trump's administration after reelection. Throw a big party, invite all the preppers you know

Blogger CM March 12, 2020 1:51 PM  

We're good....now how do you avoid going stir crazy for not leaving the house?

I thought we were all INTs here. Do INTs go stir crazy?

Blogger Yossarian March 12, 2020 1:52 PM  

It's official now. The MSM finally found its tried and tested method of mass world-wide population control.

In just under 3 months the paranoia evolved from groups of people being infected, to cities being infected, to countries being infected, to races of people being infected, to whole continents being infected. The next step is to declare non-infected elements as "at risk of infection" thus making the actual need of a diagnosis redundant. Nobody asked themselves how they were able to develop, synthesize, and distribute WORLDWIDE a COVID19 test? What's the false-positive/negative rates of the test? What's the ratio between suspected cases and confirmed cases? What's the ratio between symptomatic and a symptomatic patients? What's the mortality rate between asymptomatic patients and symptomatic ones? Yes, that's right... you could be infected without knowing it and only have 2 days to live! BE AFRAID! UUUUuuuu...

I would like to point out this is the exact plot of the cartoon Devilman Crybaby. Cartoons aren't supposed to be real.

Guys, how long till they declare Covid19 non-believers enemies of mankind worldwide? It's my first time being purged and I want to know what to expect.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 1:55 PM  

"I am taking this time to learn how to make bread from scratch. It is not hard to make an edible loaf of bread."

Sourdough starter is your friend.

Water, flour + yeast (either from a package, or just wild yeast floating around in the air). Add a bit of sugar to goose it into action.


You want water WITHOUT chlorine in it, as it kills your yeastie beasties. (If your tap water is chlorinated, boil it for a minute -- that will bring the chlorine down to levels that won't kill your yeast.)

You'll know it's alive when you see bubbles from the carbon dioxide being made by the yeast as it digests carbohydrates, and you'll also smell alcohol.

If making from packaged yeast, use water that's warm to the touch, but not hot. You should see bubbles forming within 30 minutes.

Whenever you use it, stir first, so that the yeast and flour is uniformly mixed before pouring out whatever quantity you need. Replace the volume with (dechlorinated) water and some flour.

Once it's going well, you can put it in the refrigerator.

Also, UNSALTED butter is a necessity.

If you use salted butter in your dough, the chlorine in the salt will kills your yeastie beasties, your dough won't rise, and your bread will be like rock.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 1:57 PM  

"Owing to ease of use and low cost, I anticipate using diluted laundry bleach or hydrogen peroxide. Probably along with a hand wash. Not as good but I guess it still works."

Those work best on viruses, and they also damage cell walls of bacteria. Alcohol does little to nothing against viruses.

Blogger Clint Johnson March 12, 2020 1:59 PM  

You can go for 2-3 weeks without eating anything at all. You can eat "ready-to-make" meals for the next 2-3 decades. Don't mistake what you're used to with what you can do.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 12, 2020 2:00 PM  

Lungs will repair themselves to an extent

Blogger Yossarian March 12, 2020 2:04 PM  

Johnny wrote:Alcohol at 70% is rated the best disinfectant

Iodine is rated as the best disinfectant. Alcohol is painful, is flammable, evaporates quickly, its vapors will get you drunk, and dries everything it touches. Doctors use alcohol solutions only to degrease the skin so the iodine solution works better. Alcohol is toxic to humans, iodine is not.

Blogger Anthea March 12, 2020 2:20 PM  

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Blogger urthshu March 12, 2020 2:25 PM  

>I am all for using toilet paper, but it surprises me how people focus on it.

If you would have all listened to Sheryl Crow and used TWO SQUARES ONLY we wouldn't be in this mess

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 12, 2020 2:34 PM  

@CM, representing ENTP here. Imagine that. I got hobbies though.

Blogger Bodo Staron March 12, 2020 2:35 PM  

The military exercise was cancelled or "frozen".
https://augengeradeaus.net/2020/03/coronavirus-verleguebung-defender-europe-20-wird-eingefroren/

Blogger Revelation Means Hope March 12, 2020 2:41 PM  

This virus is targeting lung stem cells, so no self repair after recovery. Hence you'll need a lung or two from a political prisoner.

Blogger Yossarian March 12, 2020 2:46 PM  

Anthea wrote:At first sign of 'coming down with something' I thought it was a cold so I took Aconitum. It helped a little, but doesn't work too well for the flu. The next day, when the flu hit me I took Gelsemium and 24 hours later I recovered.

Doctors have a saying: untreated flu can last up to 7 days, however under strict medical treatment flu will last no more than a week.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 12, 2020 2:50 PM  

I have to confess. The toilet paper meme with Smaug and the caption "I will not part with a single ply" still has me laughing.
I'm surprised Cornholio memes have not surfaced yet.

Blogger tuberman March 12, 2020 3:05 PM  

"You can go for 2-3 weeks without eating anything at all."

Depends. A person with very low muscle volume needs to be careful fasting long periods, as you can either get very, very weak, or even starve with plenty of fat on your body. There are other health problems that make long fasts dangerous also. Most, but not all people, handle keto burning well.

Blogger ar10308 March 12, 2020 3:08 PM  

Got my general supplies 2 weeks ago before the rush really hit.
If I have to spend weeks without leaving the apartment I'll catch up on reading and then DOOM: Eternal releases next Friday so I'll put many hours in to that.

Blogger DonReynolds March 12, 2020 3:21 PM  

Partly because I am an old fart with a heart condition, I have followed the Coronavirus event with a keen eye. Having worked in public health for a number of years, I recognize what is obvious baloney and what is not. I do not mind sharing what little bit I know, since it might be useful to others. The main hazard is to the hated Boomers, so you can all celebrate...it might even save the Social Security system.

The Fatality Rates, thus far, by age group are as follows:

80 years and over......14.8%
70-79...................8.0%
60-69...................3.6%
50-59...................1.3%
40-49...................0.4%
10-39...................0.2%
No one under the age of 10 has died of the Coronavirus, thus far.

This means they do not need to close the schools, except that elderly teachers, admin, and staff (especially those with underlying health issues) may need to take leave and remain at home for the rest of the school year.

This virus is NOT heat resistant and will be eliminated at around 80 degrees, so an early spring would be particularly welcome.

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2020 3:24 PM  

Bodo Staron wrote:The military exercise was cancelled or "frozen".

Of course it was...

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2020 3:26 PM  

CM wrote:We're good....now how do you avoid going stir crazy for not leaving the house?

I thought we were all INTs here. Do INTs go stir crazy?


Only if you count tears of joy in solitude crazy. As Depeche Mode said, Enjoy the Silence.

Blogger tuberman March 12, 2020 3:32 PM  

In one of my jobs in the late 1980's, I met quite a few Chinese. Every one of them back then was a heavy smoker. Have you ever seen a scan of even a half a pack a day (light) smoker's lungs, then a heavy smoker? I have.

Even the 'light' smoker, after just say 5-8 years has very noticeable damage. Holes in the lung tissue, and a lot of holes. Ask me about heavy smokers with American cigs? Yet the Chinese smokers are worse.

What damage has happened to a Chinese guy's lungs that smokes harsher tobacco then American, wrapped in newsprint? And they are chain smokers. And their cities have bad smog. This all before Corona? This may also be a reason for it's quick spread in China.

The Green Tea helps some, if they drink 20 cups a day. BTW, green tea would also help to prevent. There was a study some years ago that green tea is very protective against lung damage. It was done in China, and was done with half a million test subjects.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 3:51 PM  

> "If you would have all listened to Sheryl Crow and used TWO SQUARES ONLY we wouldn't be in this mess"

And both sides. You can't forget that, either.

How did that woman even survive to adulthood without killing herself by disease?

Blogger urthshu March 12, 2020 3:54 PM  

Just got our first case confirmation in upstate NY. I do contact tracing for various diseases so yay overtime

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Blogger Silly but True March 12, 2020 4:02 PM  

The run on toilet paper was an initially fascinating reaction. Until I became aware that a quarter of SARS and MERS — also coronaviruses —infections included gastrointestinal symptoms.

Blogger Noah B. March 12, 2020 4:06 PM  

"Alcohol does little to nothing against viruses."

This is not generally true. There is no question that 60-70% ethanol solutions, as is used many hand sanitizers, will kill or neutralize very significant fractions of many types of viruses when used appropriately. What remains unresolved is the precise effectiveness rate of hand sanitizer in various situations and recent studies have shown that hand washing with soap and water is more effective.

If hand washing isn't an immediate option then alcohol based hand sanitizer is probably the next best choice. In some medical offices the use of hand sanitizer has almost entirely replaced normal hand washing.

Blogger eldiabloloco March 12, 2020 4:10 PM  

One pound of pool shock of the correct sort will supply you with enough bleach to hose down the average household for decades. Purifies water for drinking too, although that may be more useful to know in the US hurricane zones. EPA has a nice document on the subject. Might be the only thing useful ever to derive from the EPA.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 4:16 PM  

I was told by someone who listens to him faithfully that Rush Limbaugh went full "it's just a Democrat hoax!" today. She said Rush was "livid" mostly because a big sportsball tournament was canceled.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2020 4:17 PM  

Akulkis wrote:How did that woman even survive to adulthood without killing herself by disease?
Generally speaking, it's not yourself that you will make sick by this sort of bad hygiene. You're already home to those germs.

Blogger Azimus March 12, 2020 4:18 PM  

The bigger, and more broadly-reaching implications of this is the stock market. DJIA is getting its arse kicked. I haven't followed the economic indicators like I did in 2007 - 2010, so I don't know whether the economy is using the virus as an excuse to shed excess value, or the market is crumbling and the virus just started the run.

Blogger The Cooler March 12, 2020 4:28 PM  

Noah B. wrote:"Alcohol does little to nothing against viruses."

This is not generally true. [...]


Noah is correct. Alcohol-based hand sanitizers will kill any virus with an external membrane. Coronavirus has an external membrane. Ergo, alcohol-based hand sanitizers will kill coronavirus (but not, say, norovirus, which lacks an external membrane).

Blogger Katechon March 12, 2020 4:28 PM  

We're prepared. Our stock room is filled with water, lentils, beans and rice. Oil. Dog food. Vitamins. Masks and gloves. Soap. Sugar and flour.

I'm so confused. I've been scanning 4chan on corona-chan since early January. But my father, who's a medical doctor, is adamant that it's a big nothing.

I'd bet big on Trump being reelected, but I'm waiting to see how corona-chan unfolds.

Stay safe everyone. Especially if you have kids. Take care of them.

Blogger Jim March 12, 2020 4:33 PM  

eldiabloloco wrote:Purifies water for drinking too, although that may be more useful to know in the US hurricane zones.
Although in those circumstances you have to still be mindful of water sources and upstream industries. Bleach does nothing to heavy metal contaminates. Plus a rinseable 0.1 micron filter won't hurt; not all bugs die to clorox.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 12, 2020 4:33 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:This means they do not need to close the schools, except that elderly teachers, admin, and staff (especially those with underlying health issues) may need to take leave and remain at home for the rest of the school year.
That's right, need to keep schools open so the little blighters can bring Corona-chan home to kill off their elders.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 4:34 PM  

7. VD March 12, 2020 11:34 AM
Would need more rope. Possibly a spare shovel?



fewer pillows.

Blogger David The Good March 12, 2020 4:54 PM  

Stock up on AR-14 ammo.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 4:58 PM  

Bernie Bro OT:

this is what i was afraid of, viz the Dem National Convention. Bernie Bros are already past Rage and into Depression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVaNY4THm90

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 4:59 PM  

Most viruses can be denatured (i.e. made ineffective) with heat -- this is why the body's response to most virus infections is to run a fever.

The best treatment for flu is to assist your body's response to a virus by taking a shower or bath, for as hot as you can as long as you can. Or sit in a wet sauna.


I used to think that saunas as a health technique was some sort of boomer hippy-dippy nonsense. Then I went to Norway for a several week exercise in a cold, wet spring that sucks the life out of you. Saunas kept us healthy -- cleared up colds and flu in the first day of feeling symptoms almost immediately -- waking up the next morning feeling perfectly well.

This makes me wonder if raising your internal temp a few degrees with hot showers/baths every day would help kill this coronavirus before it gets a strong hold in your body.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction March 12, 2020 5:02 PM  

nine-month supply of red and white wine supplemented by a six-month supply of prosecco

ROFL, of course, when the dark lord prepares, he prepares only the finest. I am somewhat surprised the espresso supply wasn't mentioned but then I assume there is so much even the dark lord cannot quantify it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2020 5:04 PM  

If you want to help, go sign the petition to create a national unemployment fund to pay the wages of Americans who are unable to work because of Corona virus shutdowns. This will not only do mroe for the economy than the $trillions dumped by the Fed into the stock market, it will help limit the spread of the virus if people have the financial freedom to not go to work when they're sick.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/national-emergency-corona-virus-unemployment-fund

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 5:08 PM  

80. Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2020 4:17 PM
Generally speaking, it's not yourself that you will make sick by this sort of bad hygiene. You're already home to those germs.



uh, i don't think handling feces is a good idea regardless of whether it's your own or not.

perhaps you're cross wiring this with the "face touching" discussion?

this is the Sheryl Crow + tp + poop wiping discussion.

you know. normal edifying commentary on Vox Popoli.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 12, 2020 5:11 PM  

If you have a twitter or Instagram account, promote the petition as well. Let's make it happen.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/national-emergency-corona-virus-unemployment-fund

Blogger RedJack March 12, 2020 5:12 PM  

Met with our vendor yesterday. Both are on the CDc seize list. No masks or gloves till June

Blogger Blume March 12, 2020 5:14 PM  

Locus already cleared out my stores. So I guess have to bluster.

Blogger DarwinIsAHarshMistress March 12, 2020 5:25 PM  

Oh Dear God in heaven, please let this become The Purge.

Blogger xevious2030 March 12, 2020 5:26 PM  

A two or three month mortgage freeze too. The Fed can always print more no interest ones and zeroes to cover the gap in the banks. Give time for things to adjust, play out a bit.

Blogger Salt March 12, 2020 5:27 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:If you have a twitter or Instagram account, promote the petition as well. Let's make it happen.



The FED is looking at injecting 3T in liquidity into the markets. It injected 276.5B today and the Markets laughed by tanking 2352.60.

3T and a population of 350M could give $8k to every man, woman, and child. So screw Wall Street and make it count - inject every non-business bank account with liquidity and let it flow back into the businesses needing support.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2020 5:34 PM  

Welp, I went looking on heart of darkness, and wow, did I regret it this time. Boomer year swingers commenting on flying into hot-zones in Asia, having random sex with people- for cheap, since their economies are imploding- and then flying home to Europe and America, to go to their vacation homes. Griping that they might not be able to travel to their spring fling vacation homes- mind you, states with no cases- because they live in a state with cases. After having, not just travelled to viral hot-spots, had intimate contact with multiple unknown people in said hot-spots, and plans to have sex with random unknown people in spring fling orgies.

I went from "our society" to.........Genghis Khan, where are you now? We need your sword of cleansing power.

It's worse than I could have possibly imagined. I mean, even when the media was pushing Muslim integration into Europe, when the Muslims were coming in under Merkel's embrace, the dark side weird stuff did not have Muslims in porn with Europeans. All the race-mixing was government propaganda published by licensed state companies. Regular sexual libertine degenerates were being normal. Now? People straight up planning cruises- even now!- flying into hot zones- and then continuing to travel in places trying to have containment?

This includes Italians, French, Americans and Germans. I'm not sure if it's a death wish, or demons, or some weird combination of both. It's not even gays, and their bug-chasing. It's ostensibly straight sybarites.

Blogger Zander Stander March 12, 2020 5:40 PM  

I'm all at sea. Why hasn't !SCIENCE! made the oh so obvious connection between Corona and global warming? Greta, we need you now more than ever. Please say something, anything.

Blogger ArviK March 12, 2020 5:41 PM  

I'm from Europe. I stocked stuff up. Since we have no prepper culture here, I have no experience, so I used Cody Lundin's book, did everything by it. Big difference with you americans is that it was really hard to buy water disinfectant here, bleach is banned in EU. Also we have no guns, you are allowed one firearm per person, and permit is not easy to get. But i doubt things will go that crazy. Most of masks in stores, that could filtrate virus out, were bought by chinese tourists and workers about 1 month ago, and they were send back to their homeland probably.

Italian doctors write about their experience in reddit and twitter. Right now they are already doing triage. Cancer patients and elderly are left to die. From today I'm just staying home, no work, no kindergarten for kids, no visiting parents etc.

Even if it goes well, this virus goes away, it's still a good experience how to prepare, training the survival muscle. And it's so good to stay at home and do nothing. I wish you all good health and luck for coming days.

Blogger pyrrhus March 12, 2020 5:53 PM  

Here in AZ, the appropriate supplies are not only available, they are on sale in many cases at our local supermarket....That could change overnight, of course....

Blogger pyrrhus March 12, 2020 5:57 PM  

"This means they do not need to close the schools, except that elderly teachers, admin, and staff (especially those with underlying health issues) may need to take leave and remain at home for the rest of the school year."
Public school in America is mostly just glorified babysitting these days....Nothing lost if the kids stay home for a month or two, just inconvenient for the parents, if they still have to go into work...

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz March 12, 2020 6:05 PM  

As for the military excerise in Poland...

"To fight the virus" ruling nationalist president wrote himself the very special act. It will be passed tonight. Among many things the Polish president will be able to order non-Polish military units on the Polish territory to use the live ammo.
Local globohomo agents staged the virus contamination in the Parliament to stop the act from passing. But the act will pass tonight.

It may go very good or very bad. Let's pray.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2020 6:11 PM  

Has anyone any idea if cloth masks would at least act as a firebreak? Not a complete filter, but at least a chance filter? Knit spandex, like what I see advertised for smoke inhalation in Asia? Or woven cotton fabric? Or, like a layer of cotton and a layer of silk organza?

Blogger RC March 12, 2020 6:18 PM  

David the Good wrote, "Stock up on AR-14 ammo."

Already on it. Got a bunch of 3" mag 00 buck for my AR-14 with the 100 shot mag, but only to fire the warning shots mind-numbed Joe instructed us to shoot. Remember to aim for over the head and away from your neighbor's sliding glass door.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2020 6:19 PM  

Also: teens in charge of groups of younger children, if parents need to work. High possibility, for enterprising teens. Plug kids into tablets or computers, let them learn in peace, more or less.

Why is bleach banned in Europe?

Firearms: what can I say? There is a long tradition of non-gun arms made in Europe for centuries. Ya'll built up from slavery in Roman times to castles, knights, and longbows. I'd guess bicycle spokes could be convenient arrows, but I don't know. Woodworking has a long tradition. You could end up with nice cabinets and some really convenient scraps. Rocks. Wires. Or, cut wires, in the case of surveillance cameras. Plastic bags, plastic gies. Are those abundant? Muscles? If you have more, it seems like things would go easier.

Family? Cousins? Close friends? I'm not sure why, but all the Muslims seem to walk in teams, groups and swarms, while the natives walk by themselves.

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2020 6:31 PM  

Bernard Korzeniewicz wrote:Among many things the Polish president will be able to order non-Polish military units on the Polish territory to use the live ammo.

Can you link to a source on this? I can't find anything.

Blogger Akuma March 12, 2020 6:42 PM  

Isolation is a symptom of a severe mental illness. Be careful everyone. Your local psychiatrists might use this quarantine to have you involuntarily comitted. Resisting will only prove to them you do in fact have a mental illness.

Blogger Akuma March 12, 2020 6:48 PM  

"Family? Cousins? Close friends? I'm not sure why, but all the Muslims seem to walk in teams, groups and swarms, while the natives walk by themselves."

Thats because Whites are fond of infighting and desolation of their own. The can only congregate together during Sports Ball matches, at the Bar, and obligatory holiday parties. Any other time theyd be forced to deal with what massive cucks they are if they congregated together.

Blogger Kat March 12, 2020 6:53 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:If you want to help, go sign the petition to create a national unemployment fund to pay the wages of Americans who are unable to work because of Corona virus shutdowns. This will not only do mroe for the economy than the $trillions dumped by the Fed into the stock market, it will help limit the spread of the virus if people have the financial freedom to not go to work when they're sick.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/national-emergency-corona-virus-unemployment-fund


I thought Trump already addressed this last night?

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 12, 2020 6:56 PM  

Too many serious people are taking this seriously at this point for me to think it's exaggerated or a larp. Obviously the globalists will try to use it against Trump if they can, but that doesn't account for the sudden lockdowns and cancellations going on. It's a thing.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 7:04 PM  

"Generally speaking, it's not yourself that you will make sick by this sort of bad hygiene. You're already home to those germs."

E. coli is save in the lower GI tract.

If it enters the upper GI tract, because you contaminate your hand, and then you eat with it, then you're going to have serious problems -- vomiting AND diarrhea. Which can kill you by dehydration.

Blogger Oswald March 12, 2020 7:09 PM  

A couple of scenarios I want to throw out:

This assumes that the virus is not as bad or even worse then they are claiming.

1) Italy is tanking itself to run up such debt that it will be tossed out of the EU or the EU will completely fall part;

2) This is cover for a massive war that is about to break out against either Russia, South Korea, or Turkey;

3) There is a terrorist with nuclear device they are trying to catch in Europe or is already in the USA: target large public event.

Blogger weka March 12, 2020 7:10 PM  

Bernie Sanders is running around and Joe Biden can't make a good decision.

On second thoughts perhaps this is the mercy of a loving God removing the leaders left from the generation of '68.

Blogger weka March 12, 2020 7:12 PM  

Vodka works

Blogger John Bradley March 12, 2020 7:12 PM  

Why is bleach banned in Europe?

Because it makes Whites even Whiter?

Blogger John Bradley March 12, 2020 7:15 PM  

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Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 7:39 PM  

101. ArviK March 12, 2020 5:41 PM
bleach is banned in EU.


wat?


101. ArviK March 12, 2020 5:41 PM
And it's so good to stay at home and do nothing.



don't do nothing.

get DavidtheGood's gardening books and get some seedlings started indoors so you're ready to plant as soon as possible.




105. Ariadne Umbrella March 12, 2020 6:11 PM
Has anyone any idea if cloth masks would at least act as a firebreak?



the dust masks are more to protect other people from you, if you are infected. you might be able to add some effectiveness to them by spritzing them with a 15% bleach solution ... but i'd research that first. breathing chlorine isn't the best idea.

they do kind of remind you not to touch your face.

safety glasses with the side shields could help protect you from someone sneezing.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 12, 2020 7:45 PM  

VD, This was not on Drudge to my recollection. Is this phenomenon here common in Italy, now?

http://archive.is/9FYbx

Blogger DonReynolds March 12, 2020 7:46 PM  

Just announced, the Governor of Arkansas ordered schools closed in four counties....Pulaski, Grant, Saline, and Jefferson, after six cases of (presumed) coronavirus were discovered. For those of you following with your finger, these are overwhelmingly black school districts from Little Rock to Pine Bluff. The heavily white counties have not been included yet. The gangbangers just went full-time.

Blogger Bearable Pain March 12, 2020 7:53 PM  

This Executive Order signed into law last September may provide some perspective on the viral load of our viral load. Wash your hands liberally and sneeze of the general direction of the Prometheans. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-modernizing-influenza-vaccines-united-states-promote-national-security-public-health/?fbclid=IwAR31APOF69vrtsMtO0oRAnTQEwIwneUUge4wd9NAYZpYtbZ1v8AH-qUlRvI

Blogger Azimus March 12, 2020 8:08 PM  

Which way do the Polish nationalists want this to go? The way you write, it sounds like the nationalists would not want it to pass

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 8:16 PM  

Haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

Blogger Azimus March 12, 2020 8:29 PM  

I have the night vision binocular scope for my AR14 and the optional acme telescoping boxing glove attachment for short range work.

Blogger Akulkis March 12, 2020 8:40 PM  

"you might be able to add some effectiveness to them by spritzing them with a 15% bleach solution ... but i'd research that first. breathing chlorine isn't the best idea."

That is a HORRIBLE idea.
Chlorine inhaled into the lungs combines with the moisture and creates hydrochloric acid.

Chlorine was the in first chemical weapon artillery shells used in WW1.

On the other hand, activated charcoal is safe and has some effectiveness.

Blogger Vaughan Williams March 12, 2020 8:52 PM  

@119 wouldn't surprise me if it was true about the bleach. Europeans have insane paranoia about borax, which is safer than table salt and has eased or eliminated arthritis for many people.

Blogger Matrick March 12, 2020 8:58 PM  

"No one under the age of 10 has died of the Coronavirus, thus far. This means they do not need to close the schools"

Seriously? Children might not suffer the symptoms as badly as older people, but they can still carry the virus and pass it on to those who will suffer. Children mingling in schools for 7 hours per day would surely be one of the biggest centers of transmission. Far more close interaction and proximity to potential carriers than in most places of work.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 12, 2020 9:00 PM  

@122 Remember that one of Hillary's big initiatives as First Lady was the 'Vaccines For Children' act. It made the US Government the sole buyer of vaccines for children. The government then set the price too low, and the 25 or so vaccine makers all collapsed down to about 5 and then moved to mass-produce their vaccines in China.

(The 'vaccines for children' act was actually a cutback - they had intended to make the US Gov the sole buyer of ALL vaccines but that didn't fly.)

So anything that the GE did to wrest control of vaccinations away from whatever the Clintons set up was a good thing.

Blogger Hammerli 280 March 12, 2020 9:04 PM  

I'm of two minds. On the one hand, much of this hysteria has been deliberately whipped up by the Propaganda Press in order to hurt Trump. Who I am now convinced needs to take a page from the Lincoln/Wilson/FDR playbook, impose censorship, and lock at least 100 Leftist Disloyals away for the duration. Just to end the hysterics.

On the other hand, one thing about infectious disease is that you MUST get ahead of it in order to contain it. Overreaction is the right reaction.

Blogger Hen March 12, 2020 9:41 PM  

Alkaline colloidal silver in liquid and gel form: www.mydoctorsuggests.com. Also has lozenges and soap. Good protocols for prevention and supporting immune system naturally. Lots of testing, very effective against viruses, yeasts and microbes.

Blogger Jeroth March 12, 2020 9:41 PM  

Anyone else thinking about the Jews relatively new hostility towards China, the failure of the Hong Kong color revolution, and Tom Cotton (Bill Kristol lap dog) telling China they "will pay" for this?

Blogger Taylor? March 12, 2020 9:42 PM  

I've heard from reliable sources a 12 gauge shotgun is better for home defense.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 9:47 PM  

Will do. Take care.

Blogger Unknown March 12, 2020 10:05 PM  

Thanks for that.
Can I get a bit more info on the "not hear resistant" part?
How does it start alive once it's in you?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 12, 2020 10:08 PM  

Oswald wrote:1) Italy is tanking itself to run up such debt that it will be tossed out of the EU or the EU will completely fall part;
When has Italy needed an excuse to go into debt, or to default?
Italy insolvent? What's new?

Blogger Emmanuel March 12, 2020 10:24 PM  

"Now, you are certainly welcome to bluster and posture about how you aren't afraid of no virus, or pontificate concerning the probabilities that corona-chan is just a hoax, and so forth. I don't mind that sort of thing. Everyone deals with these situation in a wide variety of different ways. Personally, I find the bluster-prone to be as needlessly annoying as the panic-stricken."

Bluster and posture? What? Like how your buddy pal Alex Jones is saying it's the end of the world? I like Alex, even though he and Jack Proboscis tried to shamelessly co-opt the Q movement because it seriously cut into their livelihoods, but the dude seriously needs to chill and stop blustering and posturing about the non-threat of the Coronavirus with the fear mongering on this one. Considering his DUI, I'm starting he's actually starting to believe it. Chemicals in the water turning the frogs into fags is literally a bigger health concern that should be of concern.

Blogger Noah B. March 12, 2020 11:18 PM  

Big difference with you americans is that it was really hard to buy water disinfectant here, bleach is banned in EU.

If you store clean (nutrient free) potable water in sealed opaque HDPE plastic containers it will last indefinitely. There is no need to add bleach or any other disinfectant, and besides, even a small amount of bleach makes water taste terrible. If you're concerned about water quality, run it through a charcoal filter before storing.

The main thing is, be sure to use clean containers that have never been used for anything other than water storage. I have found some very stout, nice look military surplus water cans that had been used to store diesel fuel. That taste will never come out.

I highly recommend nutnfancy's water storage videos on Youtube. He shares lots of good ideas there.

Blogger James Jameson March 12, 2020 11:26 PM  

>Trump said the U.S. will will defer tax payments for some individual and business filers for three months to lessen the impacts of the virus outbreak. He said the Small Business Administration will also make low-interest loans available to businesses to help them weather the storm. -AP
Hmmmm...

Blogger jarheadljh March 12, 2020 11:28 PM  

Has anyone explained Q post 3890 from 26FEB2020 yet? It's a repost of some operators from I believe a year earlier. It simply reads "GODSPEED." If there is a global Storm operation in progress this may have been the kickoff.

Blogger Will March 13, 2020 12:07 AM  

There was a comment about cooking your own food and making your own bread in light of this situation. Artisan bread with Steve on youtube has as bulk recipe for no knead bread that is dead simple. I make about five loaves of bread a week and it hardly takes any time at all.

Blogger jarheadljh March 13, 2020 12:12 AM  

Is anyone keeping track of the celebs? So far that Tom Hanks+wife in Australia, Trudeau+wife are in hidin-err, ISOLATION, and there's a bunch of government people on this list :

https://bestlifeonline.com/celebrities-with-coronavirus/

Blogger PH March 13, 2020 12:18 AM  

There is no evidence that cough and cold 'remedies' shorten a cough/cold.
Since they contain sugar they probably worsen it.

Blogger PH March 13, 2020 12:24 AM  

In a bread machine it takes only one hour.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 13, 2020 12:28 AM  

Got our first case in Alaska today. Costcos getting wiped clean.

Blogger PH March 13, 2020 12:39 AM  

I disagree that it really causes a recession. Some businesses will have less income. Some consumers will spend less and save more.

Blogger PH March 13, 2020 12:41 AM  

Why should a business which receives less revenue pay non working staff?

Blogger PH March 13, 2020 12:43 AM  

Prices will rise by 3T and in net terms no one will be richer. Remember Friedman's story about dropping money from helicopters.

Blogger Toby Temple March 13, 2020 12:50 AM  

Metro Manila will be in partial lockdown this Sunday, March 15 up to April 15.

Blogger cyrus83 March 13, 2020 1:27 AM  

I picked up a couple extra cases of water last week when it became clear people were starting to panic buy. Last weekend things were fairly normal aside from hand sanitizer and toilet paper being sold out - priorities are a bit mixed up when the toilet paper is gone but bottled water is still in plentiful supply.

It will be interesting to see if stores in the more rural areas are holding up better than those in the population core.

Blogger Unknown March 13, 2020 1:27 AM  

126. Akulkis March 12, 2020 8:40 PM
Chlorine inhaled into the lungs combines with the moisture and creates hydrochloric acid.


*facedesk*

no, it DOES NOT.

people use bleach in the wash every day, and it doesn't form "hydrochloric acid" because it mixed with moisture / water. which is a good thing, otherwise you'd never get your tighty whities back. you'd also ruin your washing machine.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/environmental-hygiene/dispelling-myths-about-bleach-odors

it IS possible to create chlorine by mixing bleach and hydrochloric acid ( or pretty much any other acid, like vinegar ) and then hydrolizing that, which is why Americans need to be careful when mixing household cleaners. ie - you shouldn't.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/youandyourfamily/healthyhome/contaminants/bleachmixingdangers

in other words, you just reversed the order of the chemical reaction by claiming that acid was the result mixing bleach and water. it's the other way around, and the resulting product is the chlorine. which you really well and truly do NOT want to deal with. chlorine isn't as bad as flourine, but you don't want to play games with either.


the decon room at the Mishawaka Miles Labs repair shop always reeked of bleach. as did most of the service shop. sure, the guy IN the decon room wore a carbon filter mask and zoot suit overcoat and worked under a vapor hood, but we walked in and out of there all day long and nobody cared or was injured. we also used 15% bleach solutions at the repair bench regularly.


otoh, yes, if you have access to a charcoal filter mask, certainly that is the far preferable option.

but we aren't talking about that situation. we're talking about a situation when the only thing available is something like a cheap paper dust or paint mask.

and even in that case i would probably spritz the mask in the evening and let it dry over night.

Blogger Unknown March 13, 2020 1:28 AM  

to the tune of

https://satwcomic.com/my-corona

Blogger ArviK March 13, 2020 1:51 AM  

I don't know why chlorine bleach is banned, it just is. But i bought iodine as alternative.

Blogger teslawasframed March 13, 2020 2:22 AM  

+1 to the heat treatment. On the rare occasion I get the flu, I always make a pot of hot toddy and roll up in as many blankets as I can manage...24 hrs of "sweating it out" usually has me back on my feet, albeit kinda wobbly.

Blogger teslawasframed March 13, 2020 2:32 AM  

My thoughts exactly.

My dad, the most sober, stoic person I know, is an MD who's plugged into my state's regional medical/political scene...and he's taking this pretty damn seriously.

Odds are it'll be interesting times, in the oriental sense.

Blogger nswhorse March 13, 2020 2:46 AM  

Bleach is banned? What the?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 13, 2020 3:02 AM  

PH wrote:I disagree that it really causes a recession. Some businesses will have less income. Some consumers will spend less and save more.
PH wrote:Why should a business which receives less revenue pay non working staff?
PH wrote:Prices will rise by 3T and in net terms no one will be richer. Remember Friedman's story about dropping money from helicopters.
Are you naturally stupid, or do you work at it?

Blogger Toby Temple March 13, 2020 3:21 AM  

A lot of idiots here a hoarding alcohol. But soaps are rarely bought.

Blogger Vaughan Williams March 13, 2020 3:22 AM  

@151 furor, I almost face-desked earlier today when he said the same type of stupidity about not putting salt in sourdough "because the chlorine will kill the yeast". Yes, salt is sodium chloride. No, a normal quantity will not kill your sourdough. If anything, it helps it a bit.

Blogger Jack Amok March 13, 2020 3:38 AM  

I don't know why chlorine bleach is banned, it just is.

Probably for the same reason functional gas cans and toilets are banned over here - somebody let an idiot write a rule.

Are you naturally stupid, or do you work at it?

Past a certain level, it has to be both.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz March 13, 2020 4:52 AM  

@Jeroth
It's not the feature, its is the exploit.
Combine the Act 1066 from 2014 with the special anty-virus act voted in 7 days ago.
Than add the opposition current tries to deactivate/hightjack it.

Blogger Boaty Bear March 13, 2020 5:07 AM  

Much earlier '83 they sang "construction time again"
Great album, "more than a party" track, nails it too.

Pity they went full "r selected"

"Trump is Hitler"
"We were devasted about Brexit"
- Dave Gahan

Fk 'im!
Gonna film myself destroying entire back catalogue of their vinyl collected since I was 12 in '82.
Nationalist Patriots like me made him rich! (My bad, but I was only 11 when they hit the "scene")

Haven't touched it since I saw him make those quotes 4 years ago, no use to me anymore, they've been shit since ~'98 when Ben Hillier started producing them anyway , and I was in the Scouts with him!
cnt!

Blogger Kiwi March 13, 2020 5:19 AM  

I'm probably prepped closer in line with the above mentioned doomsday crowd. However, I'm not as excited as they are about using an outside toilet and fighting off zombies anytime soon.

Blogger Boaty Bear March 13, 2020 5:20 AM  

As ever, the TP situation is exacerbated by the wahmens!

They have a technique which involves taking the loose end of the roll, hold that loose end between thumb and forefinger of a flat hand, with two fingers inside the cardboard tube on the full roll, proceed to do the hand movements of a 70's disco dance and wrap 14 turns of paper around the flat hand. ....proceed to dab veejayjay TWICE and throw the ball of mainly unused TP down the pan, using this technique a whole roll will last a whole 2 days, but if they do 15 turns... no chance.

Long periods of MGTOW interrupted by sporadic "company" brought the disparity of TP use to notice.

Blogger Rowan March 13, 2020 6:28 AM  

NJ is seeing a spread. Schools are planning to go to online instruction and kids are being sent home for COVID testing if they have even a sniffle. A student at a large high school near the shore tested positive. Bergen County appears to be the hotspot. Proximity to NYC, very densely populated.

Last night husband had to run to Walmart for some run of the mill purchase. He said it looked like Red a Dawn in there. Ditto my local grocery store. Neighbor up the street said he was lucky to get some ground beef and a box of pasta. They were sold out of chicken, toilet paper, Lysol wipes, soda, and junk food.

If nothing else it is at least highly entertaining!

Blogger Fletch March 13, 2020 6:37 AM  

John Bradley wrote:Why is bleach banned in Europe?

Because it makes Whites even Whiter?

Legit made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

Blogger OneWingedShark March 13, 2020 10:10 AM  

CM wrote:We're good....now how do you avoid going stir crazy for not leaving the house?

I thought we were all INTs here. Do INTs go stir crazy?

INTJ here, and yes.
I have a really remote job, and see very few people; every two/three months or so I have to take a long weekend to go into town and see family.

Yossarian wrote:Doctors have a saying: untreated flu can last up to 7 days, however under strict medical treatment flu will last no more than a week.
But three feet is a yard.

Jeroth wrote:Bodo Staron wrote:The military exercise was cancelled or "frozen".
Of course it was…

This just in: NCOs singing "Let it go."

Akulkis wrote:Most viruses can be denatured (i.e. made ineffective) with heat -- this is why the body's response to most virus infections is to run a fever.

The best treatment for flu is to assist your body's response to a virus by taking a shower or bath, for as hot as you can as long as you can. Or sit in a wet sauna.

I used to think that saunas as a health technique was some sort of boomer hippy-dippy nonsense. Then I went to Norway for a several week exercise in a cold, wet spring that sucks the life out of you. Saunas kept us healthy -- cleared up colds and flu in the first day of feeling symptoms almost immediately -- waking up the next morning feeling perfectly well.

This makes me wonder if raising your internal temp a few degrees with hot showers/baths every day would help kill this coronavirus before it gets a strong hold in your body.

What I've found particularly effective is to take a big dose of Vitamin C, a hot shower, and then pile on the blankets to "sweat it out" — doing this at the first onset of symptom is usually enough to knock it out before really "getting sick".

Bernard Korzeniewicz wrote:It may go very good or very bad. Let's pray.
An excellent suggestion.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 13, 2020 11:08 AM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:Welp, I went looking on heart of darkness, and wow, did I regret it this time. Boomer year swingers commenting on flying into hot-zones in Asia, having random sex with people- for cheap, since their economies are imploding- and then flying home to Europe and America, to go to their vacation homes. Griping that they might not be able to travel to their spring fling vacation homes- mind you, states with no cases- because they live in a state with cases. After having, not just travelled to viral hot-spots, had intimate contact with multiple unknown people in said hot-spots, and plans to have sex with random unknown people in spring fling orgies.
There's a reason that someone wrote a book titled A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America and the Boomers are also associated with narcissism.

ArviK wrote:Big difference with you americans is that it was really hard to buy water disinfectant here, bleach is banned in EU.
Use iodine. IIRC it's readily available in camping-supply places, as well as "Lugol's Solution."

pyrrhus wrote:"This means they do not need to close the schools, except that elderly teachers, admin, and staff (especially those with underlying health issues) may need to take leave and remain at home for the rest of the school year."

Public school in America is mostly just glorified babysitting these days….

Boomers can't be bothered to train their juniors, or children, even if it's literally their job.
I am unsurprised.

Oswald wrote:3) There is a terrorist with nuclear device they are trying to catch in Europe or is already in the USA: target large public event.
Perhaps state actors?

Blogger Akulkis March 13, 2020 12:59 PM  

>> 126. Akulkis March 12, 2020 8:40 PM
Chlorine inhaled into the lungs combines with the moisture and creates hydrochloric acid.

> *facedesk*

> no, it DOES NOT.

> people use bleach in the wash every day, and it doesn't form "hydrochloric acid" because it mixed with moisture / water. which is a good thing, otherwise you'd never get your tighty whities back. you'd also ruin your washing machine.

** QUADRUPLE FACE PALM **

Household bleach IN SOLUTION is SODIUM HYPOCHLORATE, which is almost, but not totally, completely unlike CHLORINE VAPOR.

The SODIUM in the solution neutralizes the acidic nature of the Hypochlorate.


When you soak a cloth with bleach, the Sodium ions don't evaporate. The Chlorate ions do, and then decompose into Cl2, Cl-, and free O.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorite#Reactions

Hypochlorites are generally unstable and many compounds exist only in solution. ... It is not possible to determine trends for the alkaline earth metal salts, as many of them cannot be formed.
[Sodium is an alkaline earth]
The alkali metal hypochlorites decrease in stability down the group. Anhydrous lithium hypochlorite is stable at room temperature; however, sodium hypochlorite has not be prepared drier than the pentahydrate (NaOCl·(H2O)5). This is unstable above 0 °C; although the more dilute solutions encountered as household bleach possesses better stability.
[Note: Better stability, not absolute stability, like, say, table salt]

The hypochlorite ion is unstable with respect to disproportionation. Upon heating [such as when a solution is evaporated], it degrades to a mixture of chloride, oxygen, and other chlorates:

2 ClO− → 2 Cl− + O2
3 ClO− → 2 Cl− + (ClO3)-


Cl2 + H2O <==> H+ + Cl− + HClO


Note the H+ Cl- term. That's Hydrochloric acid.

Chlorine vapor KILLS. It's been a while since we've had a railroad tank car carrying chlorine derail, but when that happens, the response is significant.

If you don't believe me, then douse a t-shirt in bleach, and wear it over your head and face like a mask. Tell us how long you last before your lungs are burning.


https://www.chemistrypage.in/chlorine-gas-test/

Handling and storage
1, Operation Precautions
Strictly closed, providing adequate local exhaust and full ventilation. Operators must be specially trained to strictly follow the operating procedures.

Operators are advised to wear an air respirator, wear a mask-type tape anti-drug, and wear rubber gloves. Keep away from fire, heat, and smoking in the workplace.

If you don't know shit about chemistry, because you haven't studied it for even one semester (hint: this exact question is typically covered in a first semester chemistry course), then kindly show respect for the people who HAVE studied this subject material.

Put two leads on a battery, and stick the leads into a glass of salt water. You'll get Hydrogen bubbling off of one lead, on which sodium starts accumulating, and at the other lead, you'll get oxygen bubbling off, and a yellow cloud forming around the lead. That cloud is hydrochloric acid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Health_hazards

Blogger Akulkis March 13, 2020 1:00 PM  

"the decon room at the Mishawaka Miles Labs repair shop always reeked of bleach. as did most of the service shop. sure, the guy IN the decon room wore a carbon filter mask and zoot suit overcoat and worked under a vapor hood, but we walked in and out of there all day long and nobody cared or was injured. we also used 15% bleach solutions at the repair bench regularly."

That's NOT the same as breathing through a cloth saturated with the stuff, and you know it.

Blogger Akulkis March 13, 2020 1:05 PM  

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Blogger Boaty Bear March 13, 2020 1:17 PM  

Even the Guardian reading leftist boomer I regularly cross swords with verbally says it's all bollox and at least it's gonna help rid us of oldies!

Shocked I am.

Blogger Akulkis March 13, 2020 1:43 PM  

"I almost face-desked earlier today when he said the same type of stupidity about not putting salt in sourdough "because the chlorine will kill the yeast". Yes, salt is sodium chloride. No, a normal quantity will not kill your sourdough. If anything, it helps it a bit."

Comment on what I actually wrote, not on what you IMAGINED I wrote.

I said to not use salted butter.

The reason is, in recipes using yeast, the amount of salt is assumed to be ONLY what is listed as the amount of salt to add. When you use salted butter, you're putting in MORE SALT than what the recipe calls for, and it can easily put so much chlorine in the dough that it kills the yeast.


I speak from experience -- I've had it happen -- in fact, 3 times until I realized that I was using the wrong butter.

Now, go back to school until you can pass a basic reading comprehension test.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 13, 2020 1:59 PM  

RE: salt in bread
Yeast cells need the intra-cellular sodium level to be approximately 10x the extra-cellular level in order to absorb the sugars they metabolize. adding salt to dough slows and will eventually stop the uptake of sugars and suspend metabolism. If the salt (or sugar) level of the dough rises high enough, it will start extracting water from the cell and kill it.
Some salt in the bread is needed in the formation of gluten, which is what traps the C02 and raises the dough. It also slows the growth of yeast, improving the flavor and texture.
Let this be a lesson. Never ask a homebrewer a technical question about yeast.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 13, 2020 2:00 PM  

And no, the chlorine in the salt is entirely unimportant, except as relates to osmotic pressure

Blogger Akulkis March 13, 2020 3:25 PM  

That explains the sourdough bread sticks that turned out like baseball bats.

Blogger S D Joe March 14, 2020 12:16 AM  

I was sent on a mission to find rubbing alcohol yesterday. The World is officially out of rubbing alcohol.

I'd point out that yesterday, I bought three or four rolls of TP and a couple of pints of 99% isopropyl (and half a dozen two-bar packs of Yardley soap, while we're at it) w/o a problem, and there are only four million people living here, but I'd probably be laughed off as a troll or a Russian bot. But honest, the availability of all these items precluded my hoarding more than I did - there's something to be said for leaving some for the next fellow. Possibly Christ mentions something about this - not being an expert on Scripture, I wouldn't know.

Now I'll admit the near-demented (and tres statist) overreaction of our local politicians, grandstanding martinets one and all, can only prod otherwise-reasonable people into irritable hysteria; and wishful thinking never stopped a plague yet, but there's something else going on here: whatever the antonym for wishful thinking is. You can sense it in the commentary of those folks who've been doomcrying for years and years now - their ship is finally coming in, at long last, and their excitement to greet it as it docks is palpable. Also nauseating; but who am I to shine sunlight on their rainclouds?

Blogger Unknown March 14, 2020 2:54 AM  

169. Akulkis March 13, 2020 12:59 PM
Put two leads on a battery,


yes, i replace my lung batteries annually, just like the fire department tells me i should.



169. Akulkis March 13, 2020 12:59 PM
Chlorine vapor KILLS.



which is what i've been saying the whole time?


169. Akulkis March 13, 2020 12:59 PM
douse a t-shirt in bleach, and wear it over your head and face like a mask


which is entirely different than what i even suggested.

and it wouldn't matter whether the bleach was devolving into chlorine or hydrochloric acid, you don't want to breath concentrated bleach fumes either.

170. Akulkis March 13, 2020 1:00 PM
That's NOT the same as breathing through a cloth saturated with the stuff, and you know it.



for a spergotron who babbles about reading comprehension as often as you do, you should know that i never told anybody to saturate anything.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/spritz?s=t

also, i'm 99th percentile on the Language side of the PSAT.

i don't think you have much to teach me about comprehending anything wrt language.

so far as the decontamination room / repair shop goes, according to you i was constantly breathing chlorine gas and hydrochloric acid for upwards of 50 hours a week. cuz, you know, bleach is prone to decomposing into chlorine and hydrochloric acid.

and yet, strangely, neither i nor anyone else in the shop had any breathing or lung problems. and some of those guys had been there 20 years. heck, the manager's secretary ( i called her "Belgian Boop" ) had been in the department 10 years and her desk was right next to the repair benches.

and the engineering department responsible for tech writing / manuals didn't even have a door between their cubes and us either. some of those guys had 30 years in the shop.

ancient Chinese wise man say, "somting wong with your hypothesis".



176. Akulkis March 13, 2020 3:25 PM
That explains the sourdough bread sticks that turned out like baseball bats.



*snort*

that's it. gloss over the part where Snidely called you an ignorant dvmbsh!t.

obviously none of us have the reading comprehension to catch that on our own.

Blogger Avalanche March 14, 2020 12:33 PM  

@143 "There is no evidence that cough and cold 'remedies' shorten a cough/cold.
Since they contain sugar they probably worsen it."

No, of course they don't shorten it; they are symptom-treating options. If, God forbid, you catch the virus (or the flu) and are choosing to self-isolate for real, because breathing hospital air seems like a REALLY bad idea, then having OTC meds to lessen your symptoms MAY help you stay at home and survive!

If you've got the flu and are ... uh ... emptying from both ends, then anti-diarheals and anti-emetics are a NECESSARY adjunct to prevent possibly fatal dehydration! If you're trying valiantly, however unwillingly, to cough out a lung or two; having cough meds of whatever type will allow some sleep, some eating and drinking, some NOT tearing your intracostal muscles.

And sugar-free versions are available for a lot of them. Oddly, electrolyte replenishment syrups are NOT available without sugar.

Blogger Avalanche March 14, 2020 12:35 PM  

@150 "when it became clear people were starting to panic buy."

when it became clear people were belatedly starting to the preparation buying.

FIFY

Blogger Avalanche March 14, 2020 12:39 PM  

@167 "every two/three months or so I have to take a long weekend to go into town and see family."

For your sake or for theirs? {wink}

Blogger Avalanche March 14, 2020 12:45 PM  

I LOVE this blog! In the midst of a comment thread on prepping for and surviving a potentially deadly pandemic, we've got folks having educated and experienced discussions of how best to handle bread-making yeasts, and levels of safety around chlorine.

Here's one of MY joys during self-isolation: thanks y'all!

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