Thursday, April 30, 2020

Be careful whom you hire

It rather looks as if General Flynn's original legal team was working for the other side:
After Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements to federal investigators, representatives of multiple congressional committees with oversight responsibility for national security matters asked Flynn’s lawyers if Flynn would testify before Congress in exchange for a congressional grant of immunity. Robert Kelner, Flynn’s attorney at the time, immediately dismissed the overtures, sources told The Federalist. During one conversation, Kelner allegedly responded that in situations like the one facing Flynn, the prosecution essentially “owns” the defendant and added that he would be unlikely to pursue congressional testimony without the approval of former Spygate Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office.

Flynn was not told of these immunity conversations with congressional officials before they were rejected on his behalf.
If you haven't read The Trial of Roger Stone yet, you may not realize what a Potemkin Village the U.S. legal system is. It's no more legitimate than the infamous Stalin-era Soviet show trials. And you can't expect a team that has been paid to throw the game to put up much of a defense.

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Blogger rikjames.313 April 30, 2020 12:00 PM  

I have never practiced criminal law. I know lawyers who have. At the state level, the three county prosecutors in and around Detroit are so dirty defense counsel routinely FOIA case information from the police directly because the pros won't disclose it, claiming it is not responsive or got lost.

The people who do win in federal court as defendants hire experienced trial counsel and have security on their family to avoid the Flynn problem of flakeing the defendant's wife and kids. The US Attorney office just wins so much off pleas that most can't try a case.

An interesting local case is a gang in Detroit, the 4020Die, were machine gunning witness houses like a bad 80s movie. They literally facebooked a bunch of their crimes so the feds charged the death penalty.

Problem is that instead of the US Atty being up against the budget limited Federal Defender office, or appointed and very budget limited defense, the feds are fighting experienced and well funded anti death penalty lawyers who can afford to follow all the court rules and force the feds to do the same.

Blogger Rough Carrigan April 30, 2020 12:08 PM  

It's bizarre that Flynn would have ever trusted Covington & Burling to represent him. They're scum, deep state central. It's the firm that employed Eric Fast & Furious Holder and when he went to be Obama's wing man, left his office untouched and unoccupied for him to come back to when he was done.

It's such a bizarre choice that there are even people who wonder if, rather than them sandbagging him, he was sandbagging them.

Blogger Joeplanet April 30, 2020 12:09 PM  

Could the 30-year spook have chosen this firm for the very reason to draw them into drainage?

Blogger Balkan Yankee April 30, 2020 12:10 PM  

Robert Mueller's reputation is aging about as well as a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20.

Blogger Jeroth April 30, 2020 12:17 PM  

While Trump hires Alan "I promise my underwear never came off while getting massaged by Epstein's girls" Dershowitz.

When these absolute scum of the earth are the only options available at that level of lawfare, what are you supposed to do?

Blogger Unknown April 30, 2020 12:30 PM  

Was Flynn careless or playing 3D chess ? ;)

Blogger Rick April 30, 2020 12:31 PM  

Is it possible that the General selected that firm as a sting op.

Blogger Dos Voltz April 30, 2020 12:52 PM  

"you may not realize what a Potemkin Village the U.S. legal system is. It's no more legitimate than the infamous Stalin-era Soviet show trials."


12 years ago I had a friend from Belarus. I learned that she had fake-married some guy in order to stay in the country after her visitor visa had expired. OK. That's a crime. They caught her and put her in jail.

Her attorney called me and asked if I knew her, blah blah blah. Yes I told him, but I did NOT know her really well. He said "fuck these Russians, they're all guilty, I took all her money." I said, whoa, don't you have to be her advocate anyway and help her out? He just laughed.

Well the prosecution labeled her "Russian Mafia." Was in the papers and all over the news. They said she had massive assets. Demanded she rat out everyone else she knew "in the ring."

None of this was true. She was nearly penniless. She was not "in a ring." She was kept in a county jail for 11 months without a conviction, without a trial. The prosecutors said she "posed a threat to the security of the United States of America." She had a few hearings, only to maybe set bail, but this was usually denied by the judge. (Her being such a threat to the security of the United States and all). Meanwhile, alleged murderers in same county were being granted bail.

At the 7 or 8 month mark the judge considered bail and her own attorney objected!!! WTF!!!

She became suicidal. She was told repeatedly by prosecution (US attorney), for months, that she would be "let out next week, just sign this document of guilt." She signed more and more documents as the months dragged on, she told me it was only because they promised to let her go, she just wanted to go home. The prosecutors promises for release were all lies.

Finally at the 11 month mark there was a hearing where the US Attorney once again told the judge she posed a threat to the US and should get NO chance at bond. A day later she agreed to sign a final document admitting some kind of guilt, one she had resisted for months, another complete fabrication. But she had been locked up in a county jail, often in isolation, for almost a whole year. I helped her out then. Paid a bond of something like $500. Felt sorry for her. Her punishment FAR exceeded her crime, which was a stupid thing she did at the age of 22.

Funny, the next week they let her go. Finally. After signing this final admission, and me paying a only few hundred bucks, this person magically ceased being a threat to the security of the US as the US attorney and ICE had long maintained. A couple years later she was deported.

I remember while she was wasting away in jail that at the same time in California and other places illegal aliens who broke immigration laws were being called "dreamers" and "no one is illegal" etc etc. During those Obama regime years it struck me how hard the feds were punishing this white immigrant from Europe for a non-violent crime, but brown ones from Mexico and Somalia got a pass. Fuck man, even some state POLITICIANS in California bragged about how they were illegals themselves!!!

It's all rigged. The judges, the laywers, ICE, all of them spread so many lies and bullshit that they themselves should have been locked up. Instead they're called "heroes" who protect us.

Nah, they're just apparachiks of the whims of the state.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 30, 2020 12:56 PM  

I think Michael Flynn is an honorable man, but at the same time, how can you not conclude that he is at the same time incredibly naïve?

First he lets the FBI come into his White House office, without going through the typical protocol of vetting the interview with White House counsel.

Then, after he gets into trouble, he clearly makes false statements in public, and gets dismissed from the Trump administration. Then he turns around and hires Eric Holder's law firm, Covington & Burling, to represent him. He knew the Obama administration had it for him. Why would he do that?

It's all puzzling.

It will be fascinating how this all plays out. Even now, the shitlib leftoid media is covering this because the revealed docs show absolutely corrupt conduct by the FBI and the DOJ.

If his plea gets withdrawn, and the judge dismisses the case against him, the path becomes much smoother for Durham to perp walk some deep staters.

I don't often say this about a woman, but in this case it applies.

Sidney Powell has a pair.

Blogger Stilicho April 30, 2020 12:59 PM  

Flynn is a lifelong Democrat and it looks like he assumed that a Democrat law firm/lobbyist firm would be on his side and that a Democrat judge wouldn't be prejudiced against him.

Blogger Gettimothy April 30, 2020 1:21 PM  

The fatal flaw of that A Man For All Seasons quote is it is easily ignored by those who hate Christendom, who's laws demand its destruction.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 30, 2020 1:25 PM  

"Be careful who you hire"
The epitaph

Blogger Noah B. April 30, 2020 1:28 PM  

When the knives finally do come out, let's hope that their reach is long.

Blogger Akulkis April 30, 2020 2:01 PM  

"aging about as well as a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20."

Has that ever been tried?

Blogger Karen took the Kids April 30, 2020 2:11 PM  

If anyone is interested, here's a link to some documents which show Roger Stone may have been working with 'foreign' intelligence while on the campaign trail for Trump.

Blogger matism April 30, 2020 2:38 PM  

They had better understand that, when there is no Rule of Law, it works BOTH ways!!!

Blogger SciVo April 30, 2020 2:44 PM  


Only after the bottle was opened, and not consciously (so to speak).

Blogger VD April 30, 2020 2:54 PM  

They had better understand that, when there is no Rule of Law, it works BOTH ways!!!

Take off the damn bowtie already. They understand very well that you're not going to do a damn thing no matter what.

Blogger crescent wrench April 30, 2020 3:12 PM  

So let's tally this up:

We have IG reports showing the FBI lied to FISA for the warrants used to kick off the Mueller case, backed up by further audits showing the FBI has lied to FISA for every one of the investigations chosen for audit.

Lawyers in the room: Is there a reason a "fruit of the poison tree" challenge has not been lodged for every single "conviction" sourced from this investigation?

Blogger kennymac April 30, 2020 3:31 PM  

@9 Don't be an idiot. Do you REALLY think a guy with over THIRTY YEARS of intelligence experience was so naive that he just blindly walked into this trap?

Blogger Noah B. April 30, 2020 3:52 PM  

30 years' experience is no guarantee of professional competence. Especially in government service.

Blogger kennymac April 30, 2020 3:59 PM  

slightly OT: according to Zman, Trump is just a bullshitter who got lucky.

Blogger Hbogbinder April 30, 2020 4:13 PM  

I am leaning toward the conclusion that both the prosecutors and Flynn are dirty, the former more obviously and deeply than the latter. FLynn's crimes, though, have nothing to do with Russia or Kislyak conversations. Rather, Flynn was working with one side in the internecine Turkish battle between the AKPers and the Gulenists. He was a paid advisor to AKP-linked Turks and was promising that once in government, he'd work to have Fethullah Gulen delivered back to Turkey. The Gulen movement is reputed to have long been a tool of the US Deep State (in that Gulen movement had excellent contacts and cover presence in Central Asia, quite useful to the CIA), with none other than the notorious Graham Fuller having overseen the relationship.

Blogger kennymac April 30, 2020 4:21 PM  

@21 you forgot to begin your comment with "Actually,..."

Blogger Oswald April 30, 2020 4:21 PM  

I find Mr. Fylnn's case troubling. He was set up that is for sure. His own lawyers being in on it makes since. How else to get him to plead so fast? Here we are 3 plus years waiting for Comey, McCabe and many others to be charged, little alone plead guilty. But Flynn they got him to plead so quickly, he obviously was getting bad legal advice.

The highest levels of the un-elected government were involved: FBI, Justice, CIA. Trump will expose all of this very soon. I wonder how many people will be involved. If you include media figures, the numbers may well be in the hundreds.

Blogger Oswald April 30, 2020 4:29 PM  

I just re-watched his (Flynn) speech at the Republican National Convention. He was almost prophetic when he said he would be in jail if he did 1/10 of the things that Hillary had did.

Blogger xevious2030 April 30, 2020 4:53 PM  

Contrasting the attitude of hiring a teacher (as the least of examples/applications), and the practice, with today, explains much. Laura Ingles Wilder “The Farmer Boy,” Mr. Corse, in the chapter “Surprise.” The problem in attitude, and the restoration by Overton window.

Blogger Joe Smith April 30, 2020 4:56 PM  

@22 That's The Narrative for sure. Trump just keeps on getting lucky. He must be the luckiest man who ever lived.

Blogger freddie_mac April 30, 2020 5:06 PM  

@19 crescent wrench
Is there a reason a "fruit of the poison tree" challenge has not been lodged for every single "conviction" sourced from this investigation?

the judiciary is as corrupt as the FBI/CIA/etc, so nothing would stick?

Blogger Lazarus April 30, 2020 5:08 PM  

GE reads Vox's Blog

Proclamation on Law Day, U.S.A., 2020

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 30, 2020 5:33 PM  

Yes. I think he thought it wouldn't happen to him.
Then it did.

Blogger hecubus April 30, 2020 5:36 PM  

reminds of something I went through, or rather my erstwhile stepson; cops "we have arrested your stepson for multiple felonies stemming from an attack on a minor" me "my SN is 17, there were no injuries and the 'victim' is bigger than him, it was a fight between teenagers" they wanted nearly 28k in bail, I told them that if they wanted him so bad they could keep him. end result was time-served for a minor misdemeanor, all felonies dropped. Just don't play their game and never talk to them.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 30, 2020 5:41 PM  

kennymac wrote:@9 Don't be an idiot. Do you REALLY think a guy with over THIRTY YEARS of intelligence experience was so naive that he just blindly walked into this trap?

Talk about being an idiot -- for Flynn to be "unblind" here's a progression of events an idiot like you would have to support.

Flynn gets drummed out of the Obama administration because he wants to overhaul the deep state DIA. On the Trump team in 2016, he knows that all the main guys in the FBI are Obama holdovers. So he says, "you know, I'll do an unvetted interview with the FBI guys, and I'll give them a story that could get me into trouble so I can have the following happen in a perfect order to completely blow these guys up.

--I’ll lie to them about my contacts with the Russians.

--I’ll lie to Pence so I get fired.

--The firing will tarnish my credibility so that the FBI will have no problem getting me indicted.

--I’ll hire Holder’s firm once I am indicted so maybe one of their attorneys screws me over and maybe gets disbarred.

--I’ll go broke trying to defend myself, and they may even threaten my son, but that’s OK because I’m backing them into a corner.

--I’ll plead guilty, but then have second thoughts…and hire Sidney Powell, because when I first started this whole thing, I knew they were going to screw me over!! Me and Sidney will trap them!!

--Oh, look, they’ve been trapped!! Woo hoo! That’s what they get when they deal with a guy with THIRTY YEARS of intelligence experience!! Knew it all along!!

FYI, I am sending you an invoice for the Brooklyn Bridge, which has been sanitized for you. Net 15 days.

Blogger Crew April 30, 2020 5:44 PM  

@22: I guess we now have proof that the ZMan is a moron.

Blogger Noah B. April 30, 2020 5:58 PM  

If you say something retarded and get called out for it, just shut up and own it kenny.

Blogger Unknown April 30, 2020 6:02 PM  

5D chess.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 30, 2020 6:29 PM  

Good God, it seems that the rot runs so deep it may require firing everyone above the office of clerk and starting over.

Blogger Scott April 30, 2020 6:41 PM  


When I understood how evil our leaders are, it brought me back to Jesus Christ.

Vengeance is the Lords, and it amazes me how ready and willing he is to answer prayers.

Praise the Lord!

Blogger nswhorse April 30, 2020 6:44 PM  

Hasn't Q intimated that Flynn deliberately took one for the team, that he was the bait in a trap and working on Trump's behalf?

Blogger Silly but True April 30, 2020 7:02 PM  

It also doesn’t help Covington & Burling’s legal malpractice accusations that in its review of its defense against accusations of legal malpractice and ineffective representation, it turned up _thousands_ of documents it should have already produced a year ago for Flynn’s new legal team.

Blogger Silly but True April 30, 2020 7:15 PM  

FWIW, Flynn’s new defense has been making exactly this case the second she got the job.

For its part, the government has been playing both sides of the con: for purpose if most political damage to Trump, there was just one single composite “MuhRussia Investigation” that could tally up scalps caught by likes of Pinedo, Van der Zwaan, Russian trolls, into the narrative of “3x indictments associated with Trump-Russia.”

But since the jig is up and everyone knows its a con, Van Grack is now trying to individually piecemeal Flynn in that it was its own investigation with own predicates separate from other 2016 counterinrel electioneering investigations.

But Van Grack is eventually going to lose for one simple reason: it could have investigated, indicted and prosecuted Flynn that way through normal US Att’y prosecution if it wanted, but unfortunately for him Mueller’s name is the prosecutor on the indictment.

Blogger Hieroglyph April 30, 2020 7:20 PM  


For my part, I have been wondering this very thing. Has Flynn been employing a kind of 'poisoned pawn' strategy? I don't play chess, but I'd bet General Flynn does, and plays it well. He's a long-term operator in military intel circles. It's possible he let his guard down, and I can't know, but other explanations are plausible. After all, we are now in the position where senior FBI, and a well-known legal firm, are in potentially deep trouble - and Flynn may not serve a day in prison, and be able to sue his old firm for damages. All I can say for sure his high-level guy like Flynn thinks strategically, in a way that most of us can't.

It all reminds me of the speech in Judgement at Nuremberg. Where he recounts the corruption at all level of the legal system. The US legal system is in a troubled place. And I say this from Australia, where Cardinal Pell was just found innocent by the Supreme Court. And perhaps he is innocent, after all.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 30, 2020 7:37 PM  

Do you REALLY think a guy with over THIRTY YEARS of intelligence experience was so naive that he just blindly walked into this trap?

No. When your conclusions don't make sense, check your assumptions. I always assumed Flynn allowed himself to be entrapped. For what purpose is up for debate, and it's possible that events didn't proceed according to plan, which may have to do with his legal counsel being traitors. But I heard in 2017 that he would be exonerated, and now here we are.

Blogger Retrenched April 30, 2020 9:28 PM  

Sad thing is, if Biden somehow wins then they're totally getting away with this, and more. And if the economy doesn't start improving by September, then he's got a pretty good shot at it.

Of course a whole lot will happen between now and November, but if B8den or his replacement somehow beats Trump then we're gonna see Voxs 2033 prediction come to pass about 5 or 10 years sooner I think.

Blogger Ingemar April 30, 2020 11:10 PM  

Someone tell Mr. Bowtie that if the side obeying the Rule of Law beats the side that's cheating, it only makes the latter look like bigger assholes.

Also, fuck the mainstream media.

Blogger fredulent April 30, 2020 11:24 PM  

I heard some new commentators on Infowars that recounted how they said a while ago that Pell might go to prison because he was supposedly investigating financial corruption at the Vatican. Andrew Bolt makes a reasonably convincing case that Pell couldn't have committed the crimes. It's on YouTube. The Victorian police might have had their own agenda. The same force that sent Milo and Molyneux bills when they were in Melbourne.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry May 01, 2020 12:43 AM  

I have performed a psych profile on Mr. Strok. 1st he is not Lisa's boytoy, he is her gay pal. He has a high IQ and is quite spiteful and vindictive. His dad was a company man and a very clever manipulator of aspiring foreigners. Peter overestimates his own skills and believes he is the smartest guy in the room.

I think General Flynn has dealt with the likes of Pete and Lisa before and thought he could handle them or find out what they were up to. He wasn't ready for such an aggressive and excessive early move.

Blogger Akulkis May 01, 2020 6:35 AM  

"Peter overestimates his own skills and believes he is the smartest guy in the room."

If you're right about him being gay, then this naturally follows.

It's VERY common for BPD's to overestimate their intelligence,* and ALL gays and other s with sexual identity disorders are BPD's (with the exception of hermaphrodites).

* because they've developed and honed the ability to manipulate people, that leads them to think that indicates superior knowledge and intelligence in all areas).

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Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 01, 2020 9:36 AM  

VD wrote:They had better understand that, when there is no Rule of Law, it works BOTH ways!!!

Take off the damn bowtie already. They understand very well that you're not going to do a damn thing no matter what.

The bowtie brigade, the folks who spout that stuff, would be first in line to condemn anyone who actually did something constructively kinetic.

Blogger Bohemond of Antioch May 01, 2020 9:54 AM  

HRC lawyer who counseled her to bleach her computer were able to get the Maryland Bar ethics rules changed after the fact to get them off the hook and be disbarred as they should have been.

Blogger Darren May 01, 2020 10:04 AM  

"Flynn was not told of these immunity conversations with congressional officials before they were rejected on his behalf."
The danger of a "blindly trust the experts" culture, on full display.
Sometimes the experts will not act in your best interests, even if they are legally obligated to do so.
Dual loyalties and all that

Blogger Darren May 01, 2020 10:07 AM  

Flynn as self-sacrificing bait.
That is the Hopium.

Blogger tublecane May 01, 2020 3:35 PM  

@20- Military intelligence is rather a broad category, and not necessarily relevant to the worlds of law enforcement and domestic politics. I'm not very familiar with Flynn's history, but I don't imagine organizing data to dismantle Al-Qaeda is the same as being interviewed by a couple FBI agents who are out to get you.

Which isn't to say he might be expected to do better than me, a complete layman. (Though even I would know to avoid talking to them however possible.) Just saying this is not his mètier. Which is why one is supposed to trust lawyers. Unfortunately, as it turns out.

Perhaps he said to himself: "This is the FBI. In the good, old USofA! No doubt fine, law-abiding citizens of the Republic. I have nothing to fear." Can you imagine a man with the proper amount of cynicism when it comes to dealing with foreigners, subordinates, and fellow officers suddenly turning Pollyanna on the homefront? I can.

Not that it couldn't be a gambit on Flynn's part. Just to say that maybe some intelligence are like all the other robot-brained bureaucrats.

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