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Tuesday, April 21, 2020

CDC's contaminated coronavirus tests

At a certain point, one has to stop simply attributing to incompetence what was clearly done with evil intent.
As the new coronavirus took root across America, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent states tainted test kits in early February that were themselves seeded with the virus, federal officials have confirmed.

The contamination made the tests uninterpretable, and—because testing is crucial for containment efforts—it lost the country invaluable time to get ahead of the advancing pandemic.

The CDC had been vague about what went wrong with the tests, initially only saying that “a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents” had led to the failure. Subsequent reporting suggested that the problem was with a negative control—that is, a part of the test meant to be free of any trace of the coronavirus as a critical reference for confirming that the test was working properly overall.
It's gradually becoming more apparent that neither China nor the USA was to blame for the pandemic, but rather, Deep State elements in academia, media, the DNC, the CDC, and the State Department. It increasingly appears to have been, like impeachment, a desperate attempt to derail the Trump administration.

And I suspect we all know the reason for the desperation.

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Blogger Ken Prescott April 21, 2020 1:35 PM  

A pandemic requires, first and foremost, competent people.

Competence has become, unfortunately, a luxury item.

Especially in the senior levels of government.

Blogger Stilicho April 21, 2020 1:39 PM  

>And I suspect we all know the reason for the desperation<

I am not yet sure that it was a Deep State operation, but I readily admit the evidence is mounting. Just look at the usual suspects (Bill Gates) who are trying to use this to advance their long standing plans. Could be opportunism, but the pattern is emerging of too many synchronicities to be coincidence. And it is all consistent with the same actors' reasons for panic. If this is correct,then their increasing desperation may well involve a nuclear incident or other kinetic international conflict. Beware of false flags!

Blogger Out of Nod April 21, 2020 1:40 PM  

Quelle surprise

Blogger Taqiyyotomist April 21, 2020 1:49 PM  

At Ace of Spades comments on Sunday, I insinuated that when the President sends CDC employees to all 50 states, that they might just be evil enough to seed COVID intentionally in the process.

Come here today and see this. Yeah, they just might be.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 21, 2020 1:57 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:A pandemic requires, first and foremost, competent people.

Competence has become, unfortunately, a luxury item.

Especially in the senior levels of government.

No, competence has become vanishingly rare.
Incompetence is a luxury, and having indulged our selves in that luxury for far too long, that luxury has become far too dear.

Putting our pandemic response in the hands of Kizzmekia the grievance studies major was kind of cute, but it has cost us trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives, and the bill isn't fully paid yet.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 21, 2020 1:57 PM  

I don't think the pandemic itself was an op, but there are lots of people ready and poised to exploit any opening,and Corona certainly provided a large one.
And I have no trouble attributing the CDC screw-up to incompetence. If they had really wanted to inflict evil, they would have put live virus in the swabs that are used to collect the nasal mucous. Slightly less evil would have been to put the dna fragments into the sample collection bottle. Putting them in the reference sample is kinda lame. Incompetently evil, one might say.

Blogger Rick April 21, 2020 2:01 PM  

Hey Mr John Q Public, let me give you this test for COVIDs.

Wait the test will give me COVIDs?

Oh no no Mr Public. We would never do that.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 2:10 PM  

"Competence has become, unfortunately, a luxury item.

Especially in the senior levels of government."

Competence is currently abhored by Congress, the Judiciary and almost all of the Executive Branch except for President Trump and a significant portion of the enlisted military (although I can't say the same for the officer corps, especially the flag ranks --often denoted by the number of stars for the insignia)

I am reminded of a scene at the Summer Palace (Peterhof) in the wake of Napoleon invading Russia.

The Tsar asked one of his ministers: "Are the people for us?"
The reply was, "Yes. Without a doubt."

The Tsar then asked, "And what of the nobility." And his minister could only say, "Of that, I am not certain."

Blogger Nostromo April 21, 2020 2:10 PM  

And this is why I don't get flu shots, no matter what my doctor tells me.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 21, 2020 2:12 PM  

This would be less grating if the president would just drop all pretense and arrest these insurgents.
But it's probably a good thing I'm not in charge. Too short for this ride.

Blogger Oswald April 21, 2020 2:16 PM  

The deep state seems the most likely. Their tentacles are everywhere including China. I picture them and Trump in a sort of chess game. Where each participant is maneuvering their pieces around on the board trying to get the other in a bad position. Now those who are familiar with Chess know that some times a game can be many moves in before many pieces start to fall, but when they do start to fall, they fall very fast. That is the way I see the Trump and Deep State game. This virus is likely either a move by the deep state or is an opportunity being used by them to further their game. This is not a pawn move. This is a move of the Deep State's Queen or even the King itself. This is probably still part of the intermediate game. The end game has not yet begun.

Blogger Stilicho April 21, 2020 2:16 PM  

We will eventually confirm that this virus is far more widespread than "officially" thought or predicted and that the overwhelming majority suffer little or no symptoms. However, this confirmation will be fought tooth and nail by Deep State and associated supporters like Bill Gates whp wants to use the fear to mandate a universal vaccine for this virus which he can also load up with various poisons to help accomplish his eugenics dreams.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 2:17 PM  

"I don't think the pandemic itself was an op, but there are lots of people ready and poised to exploit any opening,and Corona certainly provided a large one."

The guy who waited until AFTER it got a foothold here to advise Trump to shutdown travel from China was the same guy who, in violation of U.S. law, funneled money from the U.S. Treasury to work on continued "research" into chimera viruses, using corona viruses, to the tune of at least $3 Million, AFTER such research was shut down in North Carolina because such research held little possible benefit and GREAT RISK of a pandemic. That guy being Dr. Fauci.

When this is all over, he deserves to be beaten with an 8-ounce hammer until dead. Starting at his toes.

Not a 4-pound hammer -- that would bring terminate his consciousness, and hence his suffering, MUCH too quickly.

Blogger B April 21, 2020 2:17 PM  

I retired from the Federal government in 2007. I was an inside-the-beltway HQ apparatchik. A number of years before my retirement, the dumbest regional attorney in my massive government agency left to take a job as a high-ranking attorney in the CDC. Upon hearing that, I immediately lost any respect I might have had for the CDC. Vox, I just don't think the CDC is competent enough to be evil.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 21, 2020 2:20 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:If they had really wanted to inflict evil, they would have put live virus in the swabs that are used to collect the nasal mucous.
Snidely, did the CDC provide those swabs? If they did not, we shouldn't mistake lack of opportunity for lack of desire.

Kizzmekia has scores to settle.

Blogger RJ April 21, 2020 2:22 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:I don't think the pandemic itself was an op, but there are lots of people ready and poised to exploit any opening,and Corona certainly provided a large one.

And I have no trouble attributing the CDC screw-up to incompetence. If they had really wanted to inflict evil, they would have put live virus in the swabs that are used to collect the nasal mucous. Slightly less evil would have been to put the dna fragments into the sample collection bottle. Putting them in the reference sample is kinda lame. Incompetently evil, one might say.


Dude, the CDC brought people with Ebola into the U.S. a few years ago, and Americans got infected. It's not incompetence, it's intent.

Never forget that there are people in places of power who hate the fact that you exist, and want to see you erased from that existence.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 2:23 PM  

"Putting them in the reference sample is kinda lame."

No, it's not. It makes tons of false negatives (positive cases look like negative results), because the "negative" reagent and the "sample" reagent both show the same reaction. This then shows infected people at NOT infected, releasing them back into the population to spread the disease.

It's not lame, it's absolutely devious, with a rather low risk of immediate exposure.

Notice it took almost 2 months for the problem to be recognized -- so, now we now, after the horse has already escaped from the barn.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 2:29 PM  

"associated supporters like Bill Gates whp wants to use the fear to mandate a universal vaccine for this virus which he can also load up with various poisons to help accomplish his eugenics dreams."

And Bill Gates' idea of eugenics is "anybody with less than $1 Billion in paper wealth isn't worth living."

He makes Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Che Guevera and Pol Pot look like exemplars of humanitarianism. And Melinda is totally on board with all of this, so she's just as guilty.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 21, 2020 2:38 PM  

If they're willing to portray themselves as idiots, something much worse is always going on. Trump, being a NYer is more than aware of this. It's a common Mob tactic.

Blogger xevious2030 April 21, 2020 2:40 PM  

Trumpslide 2020. They've woven their own noose.

Blogger Grooveware April 21, 2020 2:48 PM  

9/11 of the virus world.

Blogger Ingemar April 21, 2020 2:50 PM  

The problem with Hanlon's Razor is that it fails to account for demonic influence. The demons are not limited by human (un)intelligence.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling April 21, 2020 2:51 PM  

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Blogger Reader April 21, 2020 2:58 PM  

The timing of the virus points directly to Deep State implementing the next plan to remove Trump after their failed impeachment fiasco. The Deep State is certainly evil enough to burn down the entire world to stay in power. I have no doubt this Corona Virus is a Deep State operation. After all, they know they can do anything and get away with it, so why not infect the world and create chaos? Whether China is a victim or co-conspirator is unclear. But what is clear is that nobody will pay for this heinous evil. Nobody. At least not directly. People may step down from their high-level positions, some may be suicided, but there will never be a formal investigation, indictments, and justice. The truth will be just another conspiracy theory.

It is truly disgusting to see that these demonic maggots are Scot-free to perpetrate whatever evil they can conjure up against our world. Not just free, but escalating their viciousness and insanity as never before. Now, more than ever, the words of the Bible beckon:

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. -- Revelation 18:4

We are separate from this madness, to live in goodness, beauty, and truth. We strive for these because the only alternative is to serve evil. There is no escaping this binary.

Blogger Oswald April 21, 2020 3:01 PM  

12. I just saw a study out of LA county that shows 6% of the population of the county had been exposed to the virus. LA county is deep state country. Can we be sure, it is the deep state suppressing, as oppose to spreading, the truth about the death rate.

I hate to keep bringing this up, but when you look at outcomes, recoveries vs deaths, the death rate, world wide, is roughly 20%. If the death rate is really 1 or 2% wouldn't we start to see this reflected in the outcomes by now? The numbers tell me if you are sick enough to get confirmed as having the covid-19, you have a 20% chance of dying.

Blogger Up from the pond April 21, 2020 3:06 PM  

The way to get away with evil is to do the minimum necessary to get the evil job done. Putting live virus in the swabs would be too much: too clear, too obvious, too swiftly exposed.

When not holding absolute power, evil must creep along the wall, carefully building layers of ambiguity and plausible deniability. That's its only chance at maximizing its longevity in any situation, even including absolute power. It must shy away from exposing itself both to avengers and to quick self-destruction.

This is why smart bank robbers and serial killers lie low for years between their big attacks. And why the vampire legends say they only walk at night.

Evil is a coward.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 21, 2020 3:13 PM  

Stilicho wrote:We will eventually confirm that this virus is far more widespread than "officially" thought or predicted and that the overwhelming majority suffer little or no symptoms. However, this confirmation will be fought tooth and nail by Deep State and associated supporters like Bill Gates who wants to use the fear to mandate a universal vaccine for this virus which he can also load up with various poisons to help accomplish his eugenics dreams.

I've been saying for weeks now that Gates seems annoyed at the pace of the death count, like he was expecting a lot more. He probably wants his money back.

The CDC padding the numbers (and oops, "accidentally" contaminating the COVID tests with...COVID!) while the CARES act is paying for each use of a ventilator ($39,000) and each "case", confirmed or not at $17,000 a pop. These are artificially driving the numbers up like they're trying to make lemons into lemonade.

But you can tell something went wrong for Bill and his depopulation dreams. He clearly didn't think TGE would be ready for this and also know that the end game was mandatory vaccines that (hey how about that?) also sterilize all the black girls they don't paralyze or kill.

It runs in his family. Daddy Gates ran PP in the 70s. Microsoft was just a money-laundering operation for the Deep State. No wonder Windows sucks.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 3:13 PM  

"the dumbest regional attorney in my massive government agency left to take a job as a high-ranking attorney in the CDC. Upon hearing that, I immediately lost any respect I might have had for the CDC. Vox, I just don't think the CDC is competent enough to be evil."

Why do you think they brought in the DUMBEST attorney they could find?

Think about that for a moment. Do you think it just happens by accident that they bring in a moron for such a position?
Or was it by design... someone too dumb to notice the crimes happening right under his own nose.

Blogger Gettimothy April 21, 2020 3:15 PM  

The 2012 London Olympics Opening Ceremony showed us Corona-chan

https://twitter.com/OOOOOOOhlife/status/1252072721506349056



Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 3:17 PM  

"The problem with Hanlon's Razor is that it fails to account for demonic influence. The demons are not limited by human (un)intelligence."

Hanlon's razor is an excuse to allow evil to go unpunished.

If you're incompetent, you have no right to accept a position of authority in the first place.

Blogger d April 21, 2020 3:22 PM  

In other news, US Oil (all blends) just collapsed to well below MINUS forty dollars per barrel or thereabouts.

Blogger Noah B. April 21, 2020 3:26 PM  

So they supposedly screwed up the negative control, which should be the easiest part of the test to implement? No way. This screams sabotage.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling April 21, 2020 3:27 PM  

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Blogger Jack Ward April 21, 2020 3:29 PM  

OK. Now Trump needs to have so many firing squads that the US armed forces starts to run short of 5.56. I will be happy to donate a few hundred rounds to the effort. And, will ship it free!

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 21, 2020 3:31 PM  

"The numbers tell me if you are sick enough to get confirmed as having the covid-19, you have a 20% chance of dying."

Without even addressing your faith in "the numbers"*, let's just say getting "confirmed as having the covid-19" != having covid-19.

*It is beginning to appear far more have had it than are reported. Stop huffing the narrative.

Blogger Unknownsailor April 21, 2020 3:32 PM  

Oswald wrote:12. I just saw a study out of LA county that shows 6% of the population of the county had been exposed to the virus. LA county is deep state country. Can we be sure, it is the deep state suppressing, as oppose to spreading, the truth about the death rate.

I hate to keep bringing this up, but when you look at outcomes, recoveries vs deaths, the death rate, world wide, is roughly 20%. If the death rate is really 1 or 2% wouldn't we start to see this reflected in the outcomes by now? The numbers tell me if you are sick enough to get confirmed as having the covid-19, you have a 20% chance of dying.


"Sick enough" being defined as having symptoms severe enough such that the person seeks assistance at a hospital. You mentioned that LA county sample study run out of USC, the number of people who show antibodies is something like 5% of the population of the county. Do the math. Divide the number of confirmed COVID-19 in LA divided by the population of LA, by 5% of the population of LA. Your result is the true hospitalization rate. Now divide the # of deaths in LA by 5% of the population of LA, and you get the real mortality rate.

It is no where near 2-5% like all the fear mongers have been saying, and is must a tad more lethal than the regular flu. For that we have left a smoking hole where the US economy used to be.

Heads must roll for the Federal response to this, Fauchi first and everyone involved in making decisions in the CDC and FDA related to this second. If they can't be fired, send them all to Fairbanks, AK to study the reproductive cycle of pine trees in a permafrost environment, or something.

Blogger Jay Will April 21, 2020 3:37 PM  

The virus from hell has turned scapegoating into an art form.

Blogger Noah B. April 21, 2020 3:47 PM  

"I just saw a study out of LA county that shows 6% of the population of the county had been exposed to the virus."

That could just mean that the new antibody tests aren't specific enough to distinguish SARS-CoV-2 antibodies from antibodies to other viruses.

Blogger Reader April 21, 2020 3:54 PM  

This is the Grabbler football game we are watching: the score is Trump - 7, Deep State - 6. 1 second left on the clock. The Corona Virus pandemic is the Deep State quarterback on his own 5-yard line throwing a Hail Mary (Satan) to the end zone. We, the spectators, are waiting to see the outcome of the final play of this season's championship game of the GFL, Grabbler Football League.

Blogger Dole April 21, 2020 4:07 PM  

CDC has more references to diversity than the China-virus.

Diversity hires won't help defeat the virus.

Blogger cecilhenry April 21, 2020 4:13 PM  

Once is happenstance, two is coincidence, and three is enemy action.


Blogger Damelon Brinn April 21, 2020 4:33 PM  

It fits with the way the CDC initially told people wearing masks was harmful. They've been obstructionist at best since this started, either to cover for their paymasters, or to prevent a well-handled resolution that would be credited to the president.

Blogger Nathan Hornok April 21, 2020 4:34 PM  

I hate to be the guy to give the CDC the benefit of the doubt here, but I can understand how incompetence, and not malice, could have contaminated the negative control reagents for this test.

I suspect that the article is not being technically precise when it says the negative control reagents were contaminated with the virus. Rather, they were probably contaminated with amplified RNA from the virus. In the world of PCR testing, it's called Amplicon, and it is notoriously difficult to avoid contamination. Labs use "unidirectional workflow" to avoid Amplicon contamination. That is, private labs that are responsible to the market and to inspection by various trade licensing agencies. When you are the CDC, you are responsible to no one, you are funded by government decree, and the more you screw up, the more money you get.

That being said, when I saw Fauci recently saying the we can't assume that antibodies confer immunity, I knew without a doubt that he is not to be trusted. Although it is technically true that there is a "black swan" chance that antibodies will not confer immunity for this virus, that would mean that a vaccine is also useless. But is Fauci also throwing cold water on the idea of a vaccine someday being available? No he is not. The reason he is throwing cold water on the antibody issue is because he knows that as more antibody tests come out, it will prove beyond all doubt that this virus has infected many more people than previously though, which means the fatality rate is much, much lower than previously thought, bringing it into a comparable range with the seasonal flu. Probably still higher than the flu, but not by much. If this information gets out, it will bring a rational end to the covid panic. Fauci, on the other hand, is doing all he can to fan the flames of panic. He's got to go.

So although the CDC test screw up may just be due to incompetence, there are definitely many Prometheans trying to exacerbate the panic for their own nefarious ends.

Blogger Dad29 April 21, 2020 4:50 PM  

Trumpslide 2020.

Won't be quite that easy if the economy takes a crap. And the (D) Gov of Wisconsin--a swing state--is doing his best to take that State down the crapper.

As to Vox's post: neither China nor the USA was to blame for the pandemic, but rather, Deep State elements in academia, media, the DNC, the CDC, and the State Department

Why not China AND all the above? Xi has a zillion reasons to take Trump out; even if that doesn't happen, the US will be significantly weaker. Further, Xi gets to see 'what happens if....', therefore giving himself a battle-plan preview.

Blogger History Diver April 21, 2020 4:59 PM  

@Nathan Hornok

Fatality rate is not the only factor to consider though as per this article:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes

The epidemiologist David Lilienfeld had a few things to say about this on Twitter as well:

https://twitter.com/lilienfeld1/status/1251335135909122049

Blogger An Orthodox Christian April 21, 2020 5:16 PM  

Your data reference, please? Not seeing those stats in flyover country.

Blogger Yossarian April 21, 2020 5:19 PM  

Nathan Hornok wrote:I hate to be the guy to give the CDC the benefit of the doubt here, but I can understand how incompetence, and not malice, could have contaminated the negative control reagents for this test.

The COVID-19 test which was made available worldwide only months after the China pandemic is a red a flag. The chances of medical researchers developing a test in a few months, then manufacturing and delivering that test at a global scale, then having that test have diagnostic value is pretty much 0%. Medicine is trial and error and at no point in medical history has anyone nailed it in the first attempt.

The tests are worse than chance. Medical professionals even reported specificity as low as 30% which makes the Horoscope a more accurate metric. This explains why all these celebrities are getting the virus: they have more access to resources and are paranoid which means they are more likely to test for COVID-19 which means a higher likelyhood of false-positives in the celeb population.

"The contamination made the tests uninterpretable, and—because testing is crucial for containment efforts—it lost the country invaluable time to get ahead of the advancing pandemic."

This makes absolutely no sense. If the tests were tainted with the virus => more likelyhood of false positives => a greater response than needed in dealing with the pandemic.

I'm both hopeful and terrified for the future. Seeing this overall incompetence at the very top echelons of power I'm very hopeful that no matter how nefarious their goals are they will trip and fail along the way. However if their goals aren't actually nefarious, they'll probably mess that up too and doom us all. If the CDC starts developing a new flavor of ice-cream I'm gonna start wearing a hazmat suit.

Blogger An Orthodox Christian April 21, 2020 5:32 PM  

Because MPAI TGE is allowing black to move out their queen/king to make it clear WTF is really going on. He has given Fauci and scarf queen enough rope to hang themselves and now is starting to pull on it. IIRC, early on, TGE related a call with Xi and he related that, "We both know how it started" without further elaboration or even questioning from the operatives in the press room. He knows, Xi knows and TDS knows that they know. Next move, please, you're on the clock.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 21, 2020 5:38 PM  

"The numbers tell me if you are sick enough to get confirmed as having the covid-19, you have a 20% chance of dying."
Sorry to ask, but what did you drink before the numbers started talking to you?

Blogger Silly but True April 21, 2020 6:12 PM  

If you’re not fat — afflicted by its associated health problems — or have AIDS, you have 96% of experiencing COVID—19 infection with just mild symptoms.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 21, 2020 6:14 PM  

The numbers tell me if you are sick enough to get confirmed as having the covid-19, you have a 20% chance of dying.

Sure, if you're over the age of 80.

Old people die. You need to get over it.

Blogger Eugenius BEar April 21, 2020 6:25 PM  

"The COVID-19 test which was made available worldwide only months after the China pandemic is a red a flag. The chances of medical researchers developing a test in a few months, then manufacturing and delivering that test at a global scale, then having that test have diagnostic value is pretty much 0%. Medicine is trial and error and at no point in medical history has anyone nailed it in the first attempt."

I would tend to agree, but this ignores the obvious conclusion.

Blogger Scott April 21, 2020 6:34 PM  

"Sorry to ask, but what did you drink before the numbers started talking to you?"

I drank the living water. Here's a message to you from "the numbers":


Isaiah 55:8-9

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Blogger Stilicho April 21, 2020 6:36 PM  

Anyone who thinks China is "winning" the pandemic is retarded

Blogger jarheadljh April 21, 2020 7:17 PM  

B wrote:I retired from the Federal government in 2007. I was an inside-the-beltway HQ apparatchik. A number of years before my retirement, the dumbest regional attorney in my massive government agency left to take a job as a high-ranking attorney in the CDC. Upon hearing that, I immediately lost any respect I might have had for the CDC. Vox, I just don't think the CDC is competent enough to be evil.

Incompetence is Evil's most often worn camouflage.

Blogger bramley April 21, 2020 7:42 PM  

'seeded with the virus' makes it sound like they were intended to infect the test subjects.

Blogger rumpole5 April 21, 2020 8:29 PM  

Re: "A pandemic requires, first and foremost, competent people." True that. In all endeavors I've noticed significant decline in anything that requires attention to detail as the little gray haired ladies who used to edit and correct everything died or retired. This is why you have radio and TV announcers use the term "less" (fungible quantity) for countable items, instead of "few", and likewise, the term "amount" instead of the term "number", and why many people can not read the script in which our foundational documents are written. Our cultural machine is running down, and the "Gods of the copybook headings", who superintended the creation of civilization itself, have left the building.

Blogger rumpole5 April 21, 2020 8:39 PM  

Trump, however, is competent. Plus, he either has powerful undercover supporters within the structure of the deep state, or the mandate of heaven itself. Maybe both. There is reason for optimism.

Blogger VD April 21, 2020 9:07 PM  

I can understand how incompetence, and not malice, could have contaminated the negative control reagents for this test.

So can everyone. The point is that most people stubbornly insist that it ALWAYS must be incompetence, that it is never malice or evil intent, despite the fact that the incompetence always just happens to fall the same way every single time.

It's not credible. Random coin flips don't always end in tails.

Blogger VD April 21, 2020 9:08 PM  

Why not China AND all the above?

Doesn't fit the facts.

Blogger Artisanal Toad April 21, 2020 9:13 PM  

Reminds me of the fascinating story from 2009 about Baxter Labs shipping 30+ pounds of live H5N1 and H3N2 virus to Europe for vaccines. Baxter called it an unfortunate error. If you research this, keep in mind that 90% or more of the news stories from that time are complete BS. Baxter's facility is a Biosafe-3 facility. It is not possible to have that kind of "error" with a Biosafe-3 facility. Likewise, the amount shipped completely negates the claims that the material was for testing purposes.

Was it to start a pandemic? No way of knowing. Was it an operation designed to be "discovered" in order to send a message? Again, no telling. The fact remains, a combination of live H5N1 and H3N2 virus was sent to Europe for delivery in 18 countries, a total of over 30 million doses. And I bet you've never heard that story before.

Blogger Steve Canyon April 21, 2020 9:35 PM  

Hiring the incompetent accords plausible deniability to the malicious.

Blogger Laconic April 21, 2020 9:46 PM  

Same. Dude it would be such a hard job.

Blogger Gen. Kong April 21, 2020 9:50 PM  

Yet another wrinkle in an increasingly twisted tale. For those who still insist it wasn't a bio-weapon, even Ron Unz himself admits the odds are extremely high that it is indeed a bioweapon and that there is likewise a serious chance it was intentionally deployed by the US regime (= Deep State) to topple the Chinese economy and Xi. The blowback was brought to us courtesy of the Obama appointed CDC which is massively incompetent or worse. What a surprise! Trump only yesterday announced they would stop funding the Wuhan lab - three years into his presidency.

The one thing Unz is missing is that DS actually is the US government and they've been trying to get rid of Donald Trump since day one. This includes not only the State Dept, Justice Dept, FBI, CIA and the Pentagon but even the CDC (probably every other government agency packed with criminals and pedos). Evidently Trump is only allowed to hire DS minions from the likes of Soros Employment Service.

There is likewise a serious chance that DS was trying to topple Xi as well. Keep in mind the statement from Arch-Devil (((Soros))) about Xi being the biggest obstacle to the open society. The outbreak in Iran among the leadership in particular also raises questions, as does the "miraculous" announcement of a vaccine from the only country to whom Murikan citizens are legally required to swear oaths of loyalty in at least 35 states. The same country whose bioweapons research facility came up with a vaccine even faster even than Arch-Devil Bill Gates' vast legions of lackeys and flying monkeys.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2020 10:14 PM  

despite the fact that the incompetence always just happens to fall the same way every single time.

It's not credible. Random coin flips don't always end in tails.


This isn't really a coin flip. Cargo cult diversity hires like Kizzmekia Corbet would need a near miracle not to screw something up.

Not that it matters - they should be fired either way. "Oh well, I tried" can't be acceptable any longer.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 21, 2020 10:54 PM  

Obama banned virus research in October 2014.

Fauci made a Corona research grant to Wuhan in 2014.

Trump reversed the Obama ban in 2017.

can anyone figure out what MONTH Fauci okayed the NIH grant to China? because if it was in Oct-Dec, then the Obama research ban + China funding is a blatant baksheesh scheme.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 21, 2020 11:14 PM  

45. History Diver April 21, 2020 4:59 PM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes


a purported STEM article, half of which is fluff about basic viral reproduction and transmission which applies to almost any virii family, with FOUR authors ... and not a single author is Male?

and you expect me to believe this?



55. jarheadljh April 21, 2020 7:17 PM
Incompetence is Evil's most often worn camouflage.



why do i suspect that evil gives competent blow jobs? see above "science" article.

Blogger Nimgaladh April 21, 2020 11:41 PM  

After 18 months and spending $25 billion on vaccine research:

“The Covid shot is ready.”

“You mean the vaccine to prevent Covid?”

“Oh, umm...”

Blogger GP April 21, 2020 11:48 PM  

Franklin D. Roosevelt said:

"In politics (government)., nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

Blogger Robert Browning April 21, 2020 11:52 PM  

Kadlec needs to be taken into custody.

Blogger Avalanche April 22, 2020 12:00 AM  

@14 "I just don't think the CDC is competent enough to be evil."

Possible mistaken premise: you do NOT need to be competent to be evil.

Blogger Shane Bradman April 22, 2020 12:11 AM  

Anthony Fauci is the guy that gave toxic chemicals to the gays and killed them as a treatment for AIDS. Why is he in charge of the economy now? We already know he's a deep state goblin.

Blogger Ingemar April 22, 2020 12:39 AM  

I've been telling everyone who would listen that validated test kits for NOVEL viruses do not spring into existence after a matter of months. This, besides the proximity of the Wuhan lab is how I knew the whole thing was a setup.

Blogger John Rockwell April 22, 2020 1:04 AM  

Up from the pond wrote:The way to get away with evil is to do the minimum necessary to get the evil job done. Putting live virus in the swabs would be too much: too clear, too obvious, too swiftly exposed.

When not holding absolute power, evil must creep along the wall, carefully building layers of ambiguity and plausible deniability. That's its only chance at maximizing its longevity in any situation, even including absolute power. It must shy away from exposing itself both to avengers and to quick self-destruction.

This is why smart bank robbers and serial killers lie low for years between their big attacks. And why the vampire legends say they only walk at night.

Evil is a coward.


The only exceptions to that is Warlords Like Temujin who was informed through Supernatural sources that Tengri has given to him the whole world and that his sons must carry out this unification of bloodshed and terror.

Satan set up base in Mongolia and inspired him and his family to conquer all.

And unite the entire world into one tower of Babel.

That project was stopped by timely deaths of Ogedei before Subutai was able to get to work on Europe

The split of the Empire and the constant civil wars of the Mongols as well as the Black Death which God turned to Europe's benefit in the Long Term

Genghis Khan and his horde wasn't a coward.

Therefore Evil isn't simply cowardly but works in tandem with the courageous and strong.

What you see is weak evil who can only be cruel in secrecy and work their will in darkness.

When evil is in charge of a strong people. Open cruelty and terror are their hallmarks.

Blogger Joe April 22, 2020 4:51 AM  

"At a certain point, one has to stop simply attributing to incompetence what was clearly done with evil intent."

The video circulating youtube from an October 2019 exercise clearly looked like a wargaming session, giving us the view of the blue team, with an off camera red team. Many of the blue team's responses were thwarted in the real outbreak, especially mass PPE shortages and the complete sabotage of early detection methods.

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2020 4:51 AM  

The end result has been to turn China into a pariah and give Trump a perfectly rational reason for shutting down immigration. Is there any faction of the Deep State that would consider that a win, or at least acceptable collateral damage? The uniparty establishment seems very invested in China, financially and emotionally.

Blogger Joe April 22, 2020 5:14 AM  

"I just don't think the CDC is competent enough to be evil."

The string-pullers are highly competent. The people we see, including the attendees of Bilderberg, are stooges that just need to know how to follow orders. Alfred Milner called them the circle of friends, though they are just as easily categorized as useful idiots.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 5:22 AM  

"It runs in his family. Daddy Gates ran PP in the 70s. Microsoft was just a money-laundering operation for the Deep State. No wonder Windows sucks."

As a computer engineering student, I had to write a superior operating system kernel in a mere 4 weeks (out of 13) in what was only a credit-hour lab class... on a mere 8-bit microprocessor (6809). Multiuser, with interprocess communication and capable of having multiple users logged in at the same time, AND true multi-processing.

4 weeks

so 1/3 of a credit hour's worth of work.

I would say, all told, I put about 16-20 hours into writing it, including debugging (write in C... debug in 6809 machine code... although the HP compiler DID list the assembly code underneath each line of C source code).

To say that DOS was an absolute rip-off is an understatement.

The full distribution of even a late version, like DOS 6.x should take anyone who actually did the work to pass an accredited computer engineering course of study no longer than, say, 2 months to write, from scratch. And that's being generous.

Blogger History Diver April 22, 2020 5:39 AM  

@furor kek tonicus

I don't expect anyone here to believe in anything but the father, the son, and the holy ghost. I shared the link just to get your take on it. What about the comments on Twitter by the purported epidemiologist David Lilienfeld?

"As an epidemiologist, I'm amazed that the only thing that's discussed about Covid-19 and the lockdown is mortality. It's not just mortality, though.

A 25% pulmonary function deficit that takes 15-20 years to heal, some sort of coagulopathy present in ⅓ of patients (long term implications not clear), neurological deficits (do you really think that only smell and taste are affected?).

Joint inflammations (now being investigated), and liver damage--all of these aren't exactly appealing. Everyone talks about death--I think we physicians blew that one.

We know that kids are infected. It seems relatively benign. Do they have any alterations in their neurobehavioral development? Growth?

The comparison is oft made to the flu. The flu is not neurotoxic, and it isn't hepatoxic either. And while there are some pulmonary consequences, they're pretty rare.

Talking about mortality with Covid-19 is like talking about the failure of Fannie Mae or AIG in 2008. Significant, but hardly the whole story."

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 9:27 AM  

"I'm both hopeful and terrified for the future. Seeing this overall incompetence at the very top echelons of power I'm very hopeful that no matter how nefarious their goals are they will trip and fail along the way."

It's NOT incompetence.

Incompetence would get something RIGHT every once in a while out of sheer blind luck.

When the top people are ALWAYS wrong... they're not making mistakes, they're taking actions AGAINST YOU.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 9:35 AM  

" What a surprise! Trump only yesterday announced they would stop funding the Wuhan lab - three years into his presidency."

And you thinnk that the day he stepped into office, he magically, by ESP or something, learned that we were funding the Wuhan lab to performe "gain of functionality" research after that same research had been outlawed and shutdown at U of NC?

You think the culprits just walked right into the oval office, and said, Mr. President, we decided to go around Congresses mandate, and fund dangerous research in viruses that has no possible positive benefits.. Just thought you should know.

????

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 9:40 AM  

"a purported STEM article, half of which is fluff about basic viral reproduction and transmission which applies to almost any virii family, with FOUR authors ... and not a single author is Male?"


It's *Science*, a magazine-rack rag, not a peer-reviewed journal. Those things are written at a high or even junior-high level.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 22, 2020 10:00 AM  

79. History Diver April 22, 2020 5:39 AM
What about the comments on Twitter by the purported epidemiologist David Lilienfeld?


sounds scary.

IF re-infection is happening, it's pretty terrifying. question though, HOW could you recover from a Corona infection WITHOUT acquiring at least partial immunity?

in virological terms, that makes no sense. either there should be no recovery or there is something else going on.

IF Corona is involved, that means it must be mutating rapidly, in which case no immunity OR TESTING will really ever be possible.

but YOU have a question to answer for:
WHY is the world wide death count still under 200k?

1968 Hong Kong Flu killed well north of a million people and the US count was ~100k, on a population of 200.7 million.

if you want to characterize Corona as a "deadly pandemic", you need to explain why the death count is easily an order of magnitude too low ... at the same time that the Federal government is giving hospitals money to juice their case numbers.

also, why is the US death toll higher than the Chinese? China is claiming < 5,000, the MUCH LESS densely and lower populated US is claiming +45,000. one ( or both ) of these entities is clearly lying.

so far as people collapsing in the streets ... there are people susceptible to Grand Mal seizures. always have been.

4 or 5 videos of a public seizure from a population of 1.3 billion doesn't mean anything at all, much less that Corona is involved.

Blogger Maniac April 22, 2020 10:03 AM  

"In other news, US Oil (all blends) just collapsed to well below MINUS forty dollars per barrel or thereabouts."

If and when the whole Kung Flu thing blows over, the "pain at the pump" will be stifling.

Blogger Jack Amok April 22, 2020 12:05 PM  

On the subject of "evil vs incompetent", let me just go on record saying allowing incompetent people to hold important positions that impact the health and well-being of others just because they further some political agenda is itself quite evil.

Blogger Crew April 22, 2020 12:57 PM  

Were those who contaminated the tests diversity hires? Ie, incompetents?

Blogger Ryu238 April 22, 2020 5:38 PM  

Vox, why are you playing the victim?

Blogger Macs April 22, 2020 11:32 PM  

Case fatality rate is 0.5%-0.1% including asymptomatic cases, may even be lower when better studies come in. MLB study should be out Friday and will give us a good look at that much-inflated death-rate.

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