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Monday, April 13, 2020

Corona-chan hates fatties

One thing I noticed in all the pictures of the victims of the coronavirus was that those who were not very old tended to be very overweight. Apparently this may not have been just the coincidental result of a pro-body positivity bias on the part of the editors selecting the photos.
For months, scientists have been poring over data about cases and deaths to understand why it is that COVID-19 manifests itself in different ways around the world, with certain factors such as the age of the population repeatedly popping up as among the most significant determinants.

Now, one of the largest studies conducted of COVID-19 infection in the United States has found that obesity of patients was the single biggest factor in whether those with COVID-19 had to be admitted to a hospital.

"The chronic condition with the strongest association with critical illness was obesity, with a substantially higher odds ratio than any cardiovascular or pulmonary disease," write lead author Christopher M. Petrilli of the NYU Grossman School and colleagues in a paper, "Factors associated with hospitalization and critical illness among 4,103 patients with Covid-19 disease in New York City."
Remember, the first element of scientody is observation.

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80 Comments:

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge April 13, 2020 9:16 AM  

All the premobidities are fat, lazy, and frail diseases.

A typical culling.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 13, 2020 9:19 AM  

Prof. Didier Raoult in Marseille published an "observational study" on the Trumpoline pills and was slandered because it was not a randomized controlled trial (RCT). My question is: How do you do a double blind RCT where neither doctor nor patient know the BMI of the patient?

Blogger Balkan Yankee April 13, 2020 9:29 AM  

Save the whales. Kill the economy.

Blogger One Deplorable DT April 13, 2020 9:38 AM  

The current total lock down hysteria is driven by confirmed cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, with "confirmed cases" being those people whose symptoms were severe enough to warrant testing. So one has to ask: would this be nearly as frightening to our politicians if the country wasn't morbidly obese? And would we still be on total lock down, or would we be more like Sweden?

Blogger Silly but True April 13, 2020 9:41 AM  

“Covid-19 has unanticipated higher morbidity in patients whose respiratory systems are already overworked by 40% or more, and gave barely sustainable circulatory systems” is a fascinating medical observation.

Blogger Ingemar April 13, 2020 9:50 AM  

And governments telling (fat) people not to exercise outdoors.

Makes you go "Hmmm...'

Blogger crazyivan498 April 13, 2020 9:52 AM  

Mostly yes they are fat. I noticed the younger ones coming in are all fat for sure. The not fat ones are older with more medical problems. I am a nurse on icu

Blogger Homesteader April 13, 2020 9:53 AM  

Now, if Corona-chan would also do piercings, female tattoos, and day-glo hair dye...

One can dream.

Blogger buzzardist April 13, 2020 10:13 AM  

Lots of people in Japan have been screaming, "Oh, but the government isn't testing! The real numbers of infections are high! Abe is covering it up!" These same people can't offer explanations for why hospitals aren't overrun or why deaths aren't mounting quickly, both of which would be difficult to cover up as they would require tens of thousands of medical workers and local city officials to be complicit in the conspiracy.

Or...Japanese people aren't tubs of lard with poor cardiovascular systems, weak lungs, and sluggish immune systems. They are generally slimmer, healthier, and more active than many Europeans or Americans. And thus their innate immune systems swat aside the Wuhan coronavirus with few complications. Everyone always knew that being fat was a health risk, but nobody expected the culling of the herd to happen this way.

Blogger Azimus April 13, 2020 10:25 AM  

Luckily I'm OK. The Chinese cleaning lady said a few years ago "You fat. But not too fat."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 13, 2020 10:36 AM  

One Deplorable DT wrote:The current total lock down hysteria is driven by confirmed cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, ...
Before the Trump Cure, before we had any clue what was really going on in the world, a lockdown was a reasonable response. There was no cure, lots of people were going to die, and we didn't know how bad it could get.

Today, we know that the CCP virus is endemic across all the Hillary Archipelago.
We know how to cure it with the Trump Cure.
We know that we don't treat CCP virus hypoxia with ventilators.
We know that the CDC and the FDA are the primary roadblocks to preventing and containing epidemics in the US.
We know that China is our enemy.
We know that we have to pull our strategic supply lines back inside our borders.

Pretty much everything that made the lockdown a wise response has changed. We've had weeks to prepare the medical system for the overload. There was an optimal lockdown duration. That optimal duration probably ended a week or so ago.

The awkward thing is that people are going to continue to die after the lockdown ends, no matter when it ends. That means that no politician is going to be eager to be the one to end it, no matter how much worse it might be to continue it.

Blogger Stilicho April 13, 2020 10:40 AM  

Just another reason to lose those 20 extra pounds and get back to my fighting weight

Blogger A rebel without a General April 13, 2020 10:45 AM  

Ominous Cowherd could you be any more of a boomer in that response. Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese? Why not blame the politicians who have been championing open borders for decades? It wouldn't matter what the Chinese did or didn't if we had our borders secured and still had our manufacturing base.

Blogger Joe Smith April 13, 2020 11:09 AM  

@13 I didn't see him blaming the Chinese. Saying we need to get our strategic supply lines back inside our borders is just an obvious statement of truth. Saying the Chinese don't like us is also just an obvious statement of truth (even if they have good reason). Of course it's our fault for exporting all our manufacturing to China. That doesn't change anything.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 13, 2020 11:09 AM  

Healthy at any size!!!!!1!!!

Blogger JD Curtis April 13, 2020 11:11 AM  

NFL OT

Tarvaris Jackson dies in car accident

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 13, 2020 11:14 AM  

Azimus wrote:Luckily I'm OK. The Chinese cleaning lady said a few years ago "You fat. But not too fat."

Right, it's not "fatness" per se, because that is relative to a degree. It's FITNESS that matters.

And how is fitness measured? How do professional athletes, particularly soccer players, but virtually all athletes have their fitness measured?

VO2 Max.

See:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000461

A growing body of epidemiological and clinical evidence demonstrates not only that CRF [Cardio Respiratory Fitness is a potentially stronger predictor of mortality than established risk factors such as smoking, hypertension, high cholesterol, and type 2 diabetes mellitus, but that the addition of CRF to traditional risk factors significantly improves the reclassification of risk for adverse outcomes.

Wanna survive Corona Chan? Work out. Hard.

Blogger Honda Bear April 13, 2020 11:18 AM  

11. "We know that the CDC and the FDA are the primary roadblocks to preventing and containing epidemics in the US."

What is it that makes you think these government agencies do anything to help?
Have to agree with A rebel without a General, very boomerish.

Blogger Angantyr April 13, 2020 11:23 AM  

A rebel without a General wrote:Ominous Cowherd could you be any more of a boomer in that response. Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese?

Ooh! *raises hand* Let me try!

How about this: China is a bandit civilization full of low trust midwits who should have been left to the tender mercies of Imperial Japan.

Sure, the main problem is "our" treasonous politicians, but even if they were loyal, China would still be a source of trouble. Best let the Japanese and their bayonets solve it...

Blogger TruthsGotMyBack April 13, 2020 11:26 AM  

They also believe the patriarchy is responsible for their obesity.

Blogger Joeplanet April 13, 2020 11:40 AM  

Quick, Let’s get another 400, 280lb vibrants in a parking lot to watch cars that none of them can afford do donuts. Or, if they are smart they would stay home.

I’m starting to think it’s IQ and not BMI that is lethal in this case.

Blogger Duh-ave April 13, 2020 11:43 AM  

Is 'boomer' going to replace 'racist' as a censorship tool?

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov April 13, 2020 11:50 AM  

Because blaming the Chinese is good rhetoric to close the borders and bring home production.

Blogger Brett baker April 13, 2020 11:51 AM  

Uh, oh.......

Blogger Up from the pond April 13, 2020 11:58 AM  

>"if the country wasn't morbidly obese(,) would we still be on total lock down, or would we be more like Sweden?"

Tyrants prefer tubbos.

"Let me have men about me that are fat, / Sleek-headed men, and such as sleep o' nights. / Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; / He thinks too much, such men are dangerous." - Julius Caesar in Bill Shakespeare's show of the same name

Blogger rikjames.313 April 13, 2020 12:15 PM  

"We know that the CDC and the FDA are the primary roadblocks to preventing and containing epidemics in the US."

FDA uses Public Health Service commissioned officer PharmDs, who are the only thing keeping the med ingredient factories in India a little bit honest with their product. They use officers because they have a 20 year career path before they jump to the industry and are a little more honest

Blogger Jack Ward April 13, 2020 12:17 PM  

@ One Deplorable DT and Cowherd

Yes. The God Emperor? Why in a pressor a few days ago Trump saw fit to outright lie about Sweden and how their back checked R0 has descended to about 1.3 to 1.5 matching the R0's of a number of cities/countries that did full, and often, draconian lockdowns?
Makes me wonder just what is the 'magic' plan Trump has? He never should have initiated a lockdown. Or, at most, rescinded it about the second week in March, at the latest. Visit the Market-ticker.org. Deninger's math and logic are hard to not believe. Start today and work back. If you don't like podcast read the text posts. Better both. And, I would love to have someone prove him wrong. If they can.
Oh, and this new oil deal the GE made. Supposed to jump start the oil business in the US again. IE, higher gas prices. Maybe draconian higher. Watch the states slam on more gas taxes if they haven't already done so. Problem with this: With the glut of oil right now any effect on upward price, short of an EO by the President, and I think that is unconstitutional, the price will remain low until the storage tanks are near dry. A natural upswing in price, due to demand, will probably happen near election time, be our luck. High gas prices affect the people who lost their jobs more than most. Does any President want pissed off voters in Nov? Another thing, due to the fraction refining that is used, we have much more gas than diesel available. Few large transport semis will run on gas. They need diesel. Wonder how the supply of that is these days? The raw oil is stored in the big tanks or the underground national reserves. As you crack the oil down to its fractional components you have to siphon that diesel to somewhere and the gas to somewhere else. Not enough tanks folks.

I think Trump is probably going to lose in Nov. If that happens I suppose the military may get its chance to test its manhood. One way or another.

Blogger Up from the pond April 13, 2020 12:21 PM  

Boomers hope so. In reality, they will go the way of all grass and be unlamented.

Blogger Pierre April 13, 2020 12:26 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote: VO2 Max.

Makes sense.

If you're reasonably fit, your cardiovascular system will be able to process at least 3x more oxygen than you need to just stay alive. So even if Corona-chan eats half your lungs you still have margin.

On the other hand, fat guy who gets out of breath just reaching for Cheetos...

Blogger Up from the pond April 13, 2020 12:56 PM  

ok gloomer

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 13, 2020 12:56 PM  

Denninger outed himself as a kook over this virus business. His math is good for calculations of line segments not lines.

Blogger Warunicorn April 13, 2020 1:00 PM  

There's a well-known YouTuber who claims his young cousin had no underlying health issues and was in good condition, yet recently succumbed to Wuhan.

I think he's lying. He's been known to sensationalize.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 13, 2020 1:03 PM  

Pierre wrote:KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote: VO2 Max.

Makes sense.

If you're reasonably fit, your cardiovascular system will be able to process at least 3x more oxygen than you need to just stay alive. So even if Corona-chan eats half your lungs you still have margin.


This baby boomer intends on staying alive as long as possible, if only to annoy the shit out of the aggrieved Xers and Millenials on this, The Greatest of Blogs In the Universe.

To that end, I lift and do cardio religiously, and, quite recently bought a Pulse Oximeter.

The minute I get a dry cough or a bit of fever, on the Pulse Oximeter will go, and if Pulse Ox level is below 93%, it's Hydrochloroquine, Azithromycin, and Zinc Sulfate time!!

Probably won't be necessary, but hey, I plan.

Just because I love all you guys. I really do.

Blogger doctrev April 13, 2020 1:13 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:
Visit the Market-ticker.org. Deninger's math and logic are hard to not believe. Start today and work back. If you don't like podcast read the text posts. Better both. And, I would love to have someone prove him wrong. If they can.

Oh, and this new oil deal the GE made. Supposed to jump start the oil business in the US again. IE, higher gas prices. Maybe draconian higher. Watch the states slam on more gas taxes if they haven't already done so. Problem with this: With the glut of oil right now any effect on upward price, short of an EO by the President, and I think that is unconstitutional, the price will remain low until the storage tanks are near dry.

I think Trump is probably going to lose in Nov. If that happens I suppose the military may get its chance to test its manhood. One way or another.


... keep it together, for God's sake. I don't doubt the President will have gas prices to a happy medium before November hits. And anyone who thinks President Trump is going to lose the election in November because of Market Ticker's predictions is smoking some major rock. It would actually be a very good idea to lift the guidelines for parts of the country with low population density- often the actually productive parts of the country- while leaving Manhattan Island and other urban areas in a state of advanced lockdown. Should be very interesting times.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 13, 2020 1:21 PM  

There was an optimal lockdown duration. That optimal duration probably ended a week or so ago.

The trick would be to open things up gradually, so we don't get the unmanageable outbreak we did all this to avoid. In my state, between school closings, stay-at-home orders, and the general social distancing and sanitation guidelines, we've probably cut out 99.9% of the chances for something to pass from one person to another. We could ease up on some of that, but it would be stupid to send the kids back to the school incubators, for instance.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 13, 2020 1:33 PM  

The corrupt county live in, Democrat sheriff who supported a gun grabber for governor and hordes of brainless Hispanics who vote for anything they are told, just made it illegal to be out without a facemask.
I think they are trying to help fellow molestors become harder to identify. Cops have been scrambling around in SUV convoys for weeks.

Blogger Zaklog the Great April 13, 2020 1:45 PM  

Now, one of the largest studies conducted of COVID-19 infection in the United States has found that obesity of patients was the single biggest factor

"Largest" studies? "Biggest" factor? I'm hearing a lot of fat-phobic language here. These "scientists" should be ashamed of themselves. Probably need to be driven out of their positions.

Blogger Warunicorn April 13, 2020 2:02 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:The corrupt county live in, Democrat sheriff who supported a gun grabber for governor and hordes of brainless Hispanics who vote for anything they are told, just made it illegal to be out without a facemask.

I think they are trying to help fellow molestors become harder to identify. Cops have been scrambling around in SUV convoys for weeks.


You know what really gets my goat at this point? Are they going to shut the down the country every time something like this happens? Somebody even remotely coughs and it's, Sorry, Fran, your hair salon has to close down!

I'm beginning to *really* hate these people.

I loved Alex Berenson's tweet the other day: We have to burn down the village to save the village. (Actually, I'm loving all his tweets.) xD

Blogger Tino April 13, 2020 2:13 PM  

If it helps. Fat cells express all the same inflammatory mediators of macrophages. Macrophages are essentially necessary cofactors in throwing a cytokine storm. So think of the fat as an effect multiplier, releasing extra cytokines once it all kicks off.

Blogger Kraemer April 13, 2020 2:20 PM  

@Doktor Jeep just don't have any on your person and say that you can't afford them. Then proceed to make a whole fuss about how they're punishing you for being poor. Troll them with their own weapons

Blogger Anthea April 13, 2020 2:24 PM  

Fat is not an innate tissue. It doesn't just sit on your ass and make you look like a pig, fat is a highly active tissue that releases several hormones, like leptin, resistan, inflammatory cytokines, interleukins, 1B & 6 & C reaction proteins. In other words, fat is associated with persistent low-grade inflammations throughout the body. And chronic low-grade inflammation leads to arthritis, cancer, diabetes, and heart disease, etc.

Obesity is associated with oxidative stress, which damages proteins and lipids and that has a major impact on the central nervous system and aging.

When I see these 'body-positive' messages in advertisements, and obese fashion models on the cover of women magazines bragging about how "healthy" they feel and how beautiful their fat asses are, I just want to scream "You're shortening your life!"

Blogger sammibandit April 13, 2020 2:25 PM  

The strongest correlate for hospitalization is age, followed by obesity defined as,

... weight relative to a person's height. The authors use a metric scale, so a body mass index of 30 kilograms of weight and higher is considered obese.

That's landwhale/mini moon status. That's a two year old toddler on your liver and spleen. Buttertubs!

@17
Right, it's not "fatness" per se, because that is relative to a degree. It's FITNESS that matters.

Hurr durr, something that is literally metric isn't real. This other quality is real because it's metric. @KP Boomer you are a piece of work. I legit studied fat people for 4 years full time. The preliminary findings of this study in the OP are totally in line with what my colleagues and I found. Fat people are sick and their fatness clouds their discernment. You can be a boomer and say fatness isn't a real measure but all that shows is that you have fat logic. Btw we also found fat logic is a real phenomena. But of course is.

I hope you take your magnesium because you are as painful as a kidney stone.

Blogger Nathan Hornok April 13, 2020 2:29 PM  

Every Asian I've ever known hates fatties.

Blogger Nathan Hornok April 13, 2020 2:35 PM  

@Jack Ward Slapping a temporary 100% tariff on all imported oil would seem to help the situation. It would also move us toward economic nationalism.

Blogger Auriga April 13, 2020 2:42 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:The minute I get a dry cough or a bit of fever, on the Pulse Oximeter will go, and if Pulse Ox level is below 93%, it's Hydrochloroquine, Azithromycin, and Zinc Sulfate time!!


Zinc orotate is better than zinc sulfate. Zinc orotate, when compared to other forms of zinc, is more neutrally charged, which allows the zinc to easily pass through the cell membrane:
https://dreddymd.com/2017/04/01/the-benefits-of-zinc-orotates/

Rob Elens, a Dutch GP, has successfully treated eight covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc orotate:
https://www.sott.net/article/432141-Dutch-GP-Cures-Coronavirus-Patients-But-The-Dutch-Government-Isnt-Happy

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 13, 2020 3:07 PM  

13. A rebel without a General April 13, 2020 10:45 AM
Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese?


the Chinese allowed direct international flights *from* Wuhan to destinations all over the planet for weeks after all travel within Wuhan and from Wuhan to other Chinese provinces had been locked down. Cathay Pacific was planning to continue flights into Vancouver through the end of March ...

therefore, whether this was a naturally occurring disease or an engineered virus from the WUT is irrelevant:

China USED Covid-19 as a bioweapon against the rest of the planet.

at the same time that they were stripping store shelves of medical supplies in the West.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 13, 2020 4:25 PM  

If by "bring home" you mean move production to Vietnam and India, then you're right on the money, because that's exactly where it's all going.

Blogger Cinco April 13, 2020 4:58 PM  

Fat shaming!

Blogger Dave April 13, 2020 5:11 PM  

Yeah baby, yeah!! BORIS IS BACK!


Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin

BREAKING:

“NHS Treated @BorisJohnson with Hydroxychloroquine!”


https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1249766355571625984


Blogger maniacprovost April 13, 2020 5:19 PM  

Is 'boomer' going to replace 'racist' as a censorship tool?


I suppose it will, if people are too afraid of being called a word on the internet.

Blogger maniacprovost April 13, 2020 5:21 PM  

I love the oil industry as much as anybody and the price swings are a problem. But, cheap oil isn't a bad thing.

Blogger maniacprovost April 13, 2020 5:23 PM  

the Chinese allowed direct international flights *from* Wuhan

Allowing people to leave is a basic characteristic of good government. No one else had to accept the flights.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 13, 2020 5:57 PM  

If by "bring home" you mean move production to Vietnam and India, then you're right on the money, because that's exactly where it's all going.

It's still a win, considering that Vietnam and India don't have geopolitical ambitions against the U.S. and are afraid of China.

China USED Covid-19 as a bioweapon against the rest of the planet.

I've mentioned before after I read Steven Mosher's "Bully of Asia" that China is very Gamma. Ragequitting and self-sabotage from getting its butt handed to it in the trade war would be consistent with that. China just did the equivalent of a kid upsetting a board game and scattering all the pieces because he's losing.

In other news, Corona-chan has shut down illegal immigration more effectively than anything else so far.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 13, 2020 6:10 PM  

So the true indicator of danger is not the loss of the sense of smell but the Fatty Grunt! Who could have foreseen this?!?!?

The trick would be to open things up gradually, so we don't get the unmanageable outbreak we did all this to avoid

Many people's fear have already reached a nadir, so that many will not resume their "normal" activities sans a vaccine. Since that's likely to be widely available only after we come out of lockdown for next year's Chinese Contagion, the restart of society and econo0my is going to be, in that much abused word, problematic.

It's still a win, considering that Vietnam and India don't have geopolitical ambitions against the U.S. and are afraid of China.

Vietnam hasn't the capacity to entirely replace Chinese production, and the subcontinent has a sub-Saharan level of average intelligence, so it's a draw. A renewed American industry sector would be a true win.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 13, 2020 6:19 PM  

Sammi, you got it right with fat logic. Witnessed this over the years and concluded long ago that the biggest mamipulators, and in grooming people - nay, an entire society- into enablers, was the fatties. It's for this reason, and actually seeing this "fat logic" in everything they do, that I find fat people excruciating to be around.

Blogger Centurion Revolt April 13, 2020 6:29 PM  

There's a bizarre fetish for defending China on this page. SMH

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 13, 2020 6:38 PM  

RE: Manufactoring and China

As an Michigander expat I remember wondering, as a child, why "our" factories were leaving to Southern States. as an adult, I wonderED if THE banks in New York had stolen our (MI) wealth. Everything we made in MI, mainly auto, was priced in USD dollars. So, all a New York Banker had to do was lend US dollars. But those dollars were made valueable by our (Michigander) labor. That doesn't seem fair.

Why did we, in Michigan, have to use those damn USD? I wonder, if people in MI were paid in gold and silver, would things have turned out any differently? Or if we had our own Michigan Dollars? Shouldn't it have been our Banks in MI that were lending a currency of value that was based on our labour and manufactoring?



As for Corona-chan, the idea that she would hit the dysgenic lipstick wearing soyed out cucks and their whaleman gf's the hardest almost feels sort of cleansing? Spare the young and smash the obese and the sloth Boomers?

Okay....

In a way, it's either now, or it's later. As our overall health drops this is ineviable. The dygenesis theory strongly suggests we're on the verge of sterility - males are barely producing enough testosterone to make sperm. As an example.

One wonders, would a 17th Century Man have even noticed the sniffle? Heck no! He'd have taken Corona-chan to the Town Hall Ball :D

So, without some serious change in the way we conduct ourselves, then something like this is all but inevitable.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 13, 2020 6:53 PM  

Angantyr wrote:A rebel without a General wrote:Ominous Cowherd could you be any more of a boomer in that response. Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese?

Ooh! *raises hand* Let me try!

How about this: China is a bandit civilization full of low trust midwits who should ...
Well, to be fair, the North Eastern Chinese probably have the greatest average intellegence of any human population. Or, maybe North Koreans.

That aside, I agree with your overall sentement in a way.

But, I think of our history. As an example: Didn't the Spartans force their children to steal - as part of a test? I'm pretty sure I read that they would force them into a situation where they were expected to use cunning and to be devious, in order to eat.

How did the English colonist treat with the Natives? I mean, anywhere they went?

Didn't the English refer to the American colonists as theives?

It seems to me that the Chinese are doing what all nations have done to become successful. I mean, I recently read they were blaming Africans for the spread of the virus and demanding their deportation. Maybe that's propaganda - but come on. Meanwhile European 'leaders' are calling Africa the 'future' of Europe?! WTF??? California will have majority Latino in how many more years? Maybe we can count the few decades, but soon enough you could count the months.

The Chinese aren't really the problem - if anything, we may come to see Corona-chan as a blessing. At least in some abstract ways.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 13, 2020 7:50 PM  

There's a bizarre fetish for defending China on this page. SMH

Binary-thinking sperges think you can't blame China for its part without letting our own corrupt officials off the hook. And China is pouring money into a propaganda war. Take your pick.

Blogger Jack Amok April 13, 2020 7:52 PM  

Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese?

What's the point of not blaming it on them?

You know what really gets my goat at this point? Are they going to shut the down the country every time something like this happens? Somebody even remotely coughs and it's, Sorry, Fran, your hair salon has to close down!

There's a very good reason for the massive reaction to Covid-19 the Wuhan Kung Flu. It's a coronavirus. There have been two previous coronavirus outbreaks - SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012. SARS killed 11% of the people infected with it, and MERS 36%. No cure was known for either. The good news for both of those was that they didn't transmit very easily, because only around 10k people got SARS and 2k MERS.

All previous experience with coronaviruses was that they didn't spread easily but they were deadly for people who did get them and there was no known treatment. So when a coronavirus showed up that appeared to be easily transmitted, that was something to take damn seriously.

Blogger Up from the pond April 13, 2020 8:23 PM  

>The trick would be to open things up gradually

The masses ain't into nuance. When the G-E gives the signal, it's off to the races. Every surviving bar and grill in this country, every sports venue, every concert, every street and park and whorehouse will be stormed by people like prisoners released from the Bastille.

Blogger Laconic April 13, 2020 8:36 PM  

It's harder to to socially distance yourself when you're 2 to 3 times the size you should be. :)

Blogger VFM #7634 April 13, 2020 9:08 PM  

All previous experience with coronaviruses was that they didn't spread easily but they were deadly for people who did get them and there was no known treatment. So when a coronavirus showed up that appeared to be easily transmitted, that was something to take damn seriously.

It's possible the virus is getting less deadly. There's a tradeoff for viruses in that they can be either very lethal, or very contagious, but they don't stay both for very long. If they stay very lethal, they die out. If they don't become less contagious, the more lethal strains of the virus die out as they kill their hosts or keep them confined to hospitals or quarantined, while the milder strains spread around as most people assume they're simply colds. Natural selection in action. (The Spanish flu was a rare exception due to the war, where the more lethal strains got spread around by sick soldiers.)

The number of cases per day is the same as it was two weeks ago, but the number of people ending up in hospital is only about a third of what it was then and patients in ICU units are net negative. So maybe that's what's happening.

Even so, it would be a serious P.I.T.A. if the number of new cases remained high but the number of deaths, then ICU admissions, then hospitalizations all drop toward zero, and even the vast majority of fat old people were simply getting colds. It'll take much, much longer for the debby downer lamestream media and the Democrat governors to come to the realization that lockdowns are no longer needed.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 13, 2020 10:49 PM  

52. maniacprovost April 13, 2020 5:23 PM
Allowing people to leave is a basic characteristic of good government. No one else had to accept the flights.


you're REALLY stretching to not find fault with China, aren't you?

i'm also glad to hear that you're flouting all "shelter in place" and quarantine orders.

you know, given as how that's a basic characteristic of bad government.


60. Jack Amok April 13, 2020 7:52 PM
All previous experience with coronaviruses was that they didn't spread easily but they were deadly for people who did get them



is this why you've been getting all spastic about Covid-19?

because it's a bald faced lie. Coronaviruses are a regular cause ( not the majority, but at ~15% still the 2nd highest cause of them after Rhinoviruses which are up to 80% ) of the Common Cold ... and that's been known since the 1960s.

have there been a few strains of high lethality Coronaviruses over the last decade? i don't know anyone who is disputing that. but those Corona strains are RARE.

given that all the major strains of Corona are known to have existed prior to 2500BC, it is hardly likely that the 20th century was the first time humans have ever had to deal with Corona-chan.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 13, 2020 11:11 PM  

"Ominous Cowherd could you be any more of a boomer in that response. Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese?"

How do you think we get closed borders with the Chinese, brainlet?

"It's possible the virus is getting less deadly. There's a tradeoff for viruses in that they can be either very lethal, or very contagious, but they don't stay both for very long."

There's the deal, even pathogens are incentivized to conform and become nearer to symbiotic eventually. Too lethal, the host organisms all die or become hard-immune. Contagious is pretty much always a win, but for their continuity the optimal scenario is being as non-lethal as possible. The common cold for instance just comes around every year to collect protection money you might say, or taxes.

The same does not hold for humanoid parasites. No symbiosis or even decreased lethality is possible without first separation into distinct organelles at the least. This is because humanoid parasites don't actually need to be parasites and can thus afford to eradicate their hosts.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa April 13, 2020 11:12 PM  

Evidence that Chinese Flu affects "fun-sized" Boomers disproportionately? "Social distance even harder, America, this is now even more seriouser!"

Happily, if this continues we won't have to listen to fat dudes in Hawaiian shirts at the grocery store checkout line going on again about how the White Album is the greatest album in album history.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 13, 2020 11:29 PM  

So one can reasonably assume that the number of deaths in new york city in the last month has resulted in a huge increase over the number they had one year ago.
Personally I think it is caused by a particular urban parasite.

Blogger Jack Amok April 13, 2020 11:30 PM  

There's a tradeoff for viruses in that they can be either very lethal, or very contagious, but they don't stay both for very long.

Right, because if they're both for long enough, they kill all their available hosts. Sucks for the poor virus. Sucks worse for the host.

We're the hosts, just to be clear. There's no mechanism that ensures brand new mutations don't have both high morbidity and high mortality.

Blogger John Rockwell April 14, 2020 12:44 AM  

Guns aren't the only line of defense. Health is also a line of defense.

What use is a gun if one is a fatass and will die prematurely and leave one's family to the mercy of others.

Blogger Karen took the Kids April 14, 2020 4:15 AM  

You wouldn't know any of this if you just read the headlines. You can almost hear mainstream news channels rubbing their hands together when someone under the age of 40 dies from corona-chan

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 14, 2020 5:09 AM  

"There's no mechanism that ensures brand new mutations don't have both high morbidity and high mortality."

Not exactly. Dead hosts don't tend to keep spreading the contagion for long, so higher mortality means less spread unless it's something like anthrax and people are being stupid with disposing of the bodies. In addition, higher lethality typically means more strict and omnipresent quarantines.

In some cases less lethal strains will actually strangle their more lethal brethren in the crib just by crowding them out via a slightly faster rate of spread, and being similar enough that immunity to one means immunity to both.

Blogger phil g April 14, 2020 7:50 AM  

Not perfect, but better

Blogger rumpole5 April 14, 2020 7:50 AM  

I'm seeing articles suggesting that Covid 19 causes direct damage to the oxygen carrying capacity of the hemoglobin in the red blood cells. If so, this (along with the above cited inflammatory hormone effect) might explain why the obese are especially impacted. Fatties have a lot more body to oxygenate. Also, as I recall, the composition of hemoglobin differs quite a bit between those populations facing Malaria and those who don't. Maybe the count of fewer cases of Covid 19 in Africa is due to the Sickle Cell Anemia gene's prevalence there. Covid 19 may find that Chocolate blend of hemoglobin a bit too tough to chew.

Blogger phil g April 14, 2020 8:01 AM  

Agreed and spread surplus need to our Souther neighbors. Let's make North and South America great again.

Blogger phil g April 14, 2020 8:02 AM  

China is ASSHOE. That is the slogan of this age

Blogger phil g April 14, 2020 8:12 AM  

Better the White Album than Sgt Peppers, but both are highly overrated. I'll take The Beach Boys Pet Sounds as the true game changer and enjoyable to listen.

Blogger JohnofAustria April 14, 2020 9:08 AM  

Obesity would account for why so many blacks in America are disproportionately hospitalized for it too.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 14, 2020 12:34 PM  

maniacprovost wrote:Allowing people to leave is a basic characteristic of good government.
How uncharacteristic, then, that the Chinese government would allow it. It's almost as if they wanted to make sure we got it, too.
Azure Amaranthine wrote:Whats the point in blaming this on the Chinese?"

How do you think we get closed borders with the Chinese, brainlet?

Bingo. If we want closed borders, we need an ugly , threatening poster child for closing them. What could be uglier and more threatening than the country that brought us ChinkyPox?

Blogger Kiwi April 14, 2020 5:08 PM  

We've got some shocking fatty statistics here. Nearly half adult Maori are obese and over 65% of our adult Pacific Island people are obese. They are over represented in death and it's often claimed it's their genetics, but it's clearly what they eat. They think they are eating traditional foods with their deep fried "Maori bread" yet flour and sugar is white mans "food" as is beer. Even their fav pork dish was brought here by Captain Cook, hence the pigs name "the Captain Cooker". The only native land mammal is a tiny bat that hides in a cave somewhere!

The rest of the country isn't as bad but they're not far behind. Very sad as we have children who are obese now too, morbidly obese.

Blogger Up from the pond April 14, 2020 9:51 PM  

Fat logic's delusional nature was demonstrated by that experiment years ago where researchers aimed secret cameras at a group of fats 24/7 and compared the tape with the fats' self-reported food intake. When a fat's food diary said, for example, "1 orange and a glass of water," the tape showed her raiding the refrigerator at 3 a.m. and wolfing down mountains of cake. When shown the tapes, the fats went ballistic, denied it was them, cried inconsolably, made a series of irrational statements, and so forth.

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