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Sunday, April 26, 2020

Corona-chan is killing the college scam

Is there nothing she can't do? Is there no evil she can't expose?
With time growing short and the future uncertain, many high school students are considering skipping college in the fall.

The coronavirus pandemic has left many universities uncertain whether they’ll be able to welcome students to campus after summer, and many students don’t want to pay for top-flight universities if they can’t get the full in-person experience.

Some say they may skip a year. Some may opt for cheaper alternatives like community colleges. Either way, the coronavirus could leave its mark on higher education long after the pandemic fades.

Most colleges haven’t decided yet what to do about the fall, said Brian Eufinger, of Edison Prep, an SAT tutoring service and college admissions expert in Atlanta. “The closer we get to the Fourth of July they’ll have to say yay or nay,” he said.

As some students decline to attend, some schools are combing through their wait lists to fill enrollment vacancies. Eufinger said he has seen students “come off of wait lists at top schools — schools that typically don’t pull from wait lists — so that tells me their overall deposit numbers are lower.”
A university degree is a fraudulent debt-inflated rip-off. The more the demand for these unnecessary pieces of paper falls, the better off society will be. Talk to a recent college graduate. Whatever it is that they are receiving in exchange for their tens of thousands of debt-financed dollars, it isn't an education.

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Blogger roundeye April 26, 2020 6:56 AM  

https://www.harmelacademy.org/

Starts in the fall, a Catholic 2 year residential trade school for men. If they keep the homos away this can be sound.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 26, 2020 7:04 AM  

In a keenly contested battle, university administrators come out on top in the Most Useless Parasites in America, White Collar Division.

Blogger MATT April 26, 2020 7:33 AM  

Good. Let them learn to work with their hands. I look forward to destroying a new crop of mouthy, entitled 19 yr old apprentices. Split them open like an orange.

Blogger Tetro April 26, 2020 7:35 AM  

Academics are now gatekeepers to corporate and government positions.

The university system is a ponzi scheme. Everyone at the bottom must buy in, funding the salaries of those further up and further along. One hopes that buying access to the 'club' will eventually lead to greater returns for your investment as you climb the ladder. Yet there is no tangible product that is being produced. And the vast majority of any hard skills being learned can be learned at a fraction of the cost and a fraction of the time, depending on the intelligence and discipline of the student, and the support of his family or community. Virtually all these skills can be learned during a paying apprenticeship, by those with basic math and communication skills and an aptitude for learning and improving. Or can be learned online, through trade schools, private tutors, life coaches, etc.

It's a scam.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 26, 2020 7:43 AM  

One parent struggling to make the best decisions for her children is Evvie Eyzaguirre, of Davie.

Her graduating high school daughter, a senior at Western High, would fare better going to school in person, she said.

“She needs to be around peers,” Eyzaguirre said. Not everyone wants to “do the work alone.”


This is what "university education" has become, a bunch of nattering halfwits doing group work like junior high kiddies. Of course they're qualified for nothing after graduation; they've never developed any self-motivation or self-discipline.

Blogger The Lab Manager April 26, 2020 7:43 AM  

Nihil Dicit wrote:In a keenly contested battle, university administrators come out on top in the Most Useless Parasites in America, White Collar Division.

You beat me to it. I would be happy to see this group suffer the most. No private company of equivalent numbers of employees would pay what these douchebags loot in the public sector. As a former staff person at a public instittuion, I can count on one hand the number that were competent.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 26, 2020 7:50 AM  

Heh. I've wondered for some time if the mass lockdowns of "non-essential businesses" will end up killing the credentialist economy while leaving the real Main Street economy relatively unscathed.

And university towns were one of the few areas of the country where you could find any significant numbers of Romney-Clinton voters.

If Trump handles the re-opening correctly, this will end up being slow-motion Armageddon for Blue State America, and its SJW-underpinned morale will be utterly broken. Trumpslide 2020.

Blogger Dole April 26, 2020 8:05 AM  

Best virus ever.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 26, 2020 8:08 AM  

There's an even bigger scam the plague is attacking.

Casual acquaintances of mine, are having to home school for the first time ever. The schools are helpfully sending them study packets to help with the process.

And the reaction has been uniformly the same from these pretty much centrist folks.

"THIS IS THE SHIT THEY WERE TEACHING MY KIDS!?!?!"

You will note the sudden influx of articles that decry the horrors of homeschooling and that all homeschooled children will be turned into inbred hillbillies by their lack of sophisticated public schooling.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 26, 2020 8:08 AM  

This is also a generational thing. Boomers, being wildly over-degreed themselves, see a degree as a membership card into decent society. If you don't have one, they see you as a dumb loser who doesn't deserve a job pumping gas (a hard-working immigrant should get that job). Gen-X, on the other hand, is well aware that college is mostly an excuse to put off adulthood and party for a few years. As the Boomers go, so will the demand for degrees.

Blogger Balkan Yankee April 26, 2020 8:08 AM  

Small four-year leftist indoctrination centers are going to fail in large numbers.

Larger institutions, especially state run schools, are going to start tossing administrators overboard to cut costs, because state revenues have taken a major hit.

Fewer administrators means fewer SJWs. And less noise.

Fewer students means fewer professors. Buh bye tenure.

Community colleges. Distance learning. Bring it!

Blogger VFM #7634 April 26, 2020 8:19 AM  

I also suspect there will be an increase in the marriage rate. I remember the 2008 recession was nicknamed the "he-cession" because men were hit harder, but anecdotally it appears that with Corona-chan, women are losing their jobs much more than men are and are less likely to find replacement work. Or to even bother finding. Several young women I know simply moved back to their hometowns with their parents, while the young men are grinding it out and finding other work.

@9 Cataline Sergius

Yeah, hopefully Corona-chan will also end up cutting down on the phenomenon of non-SJW parents ending up with SJW kids without having any idea how it happened.

Blogger glueballs April 26, 2020 8:40 AM  

Now deceased boomer major CEO uncle dropped 250k+ on a daughter at Skidmore. Smart girl g intelligence, she earned a dual degree in art history and iron working. Served as a forward marketing face out of school, objectively gorgeous and straight, and lived active sex and other high-end lifestyle in NYC at 100k starting comp. Less than five years in, begged another 60k from dear old dad for uber gemological certificate and placement. Less than ten years out from undergrad, daughter now sells fancy baubles over counter for 50k max per annum, less than I made as a newly-minted engineer circa 1990 on the west coast. She’s just announced engagement to an upstate kayak instructor who earns 25k in his best year, maybe. They will not be having children by agreement and also she cannot conceive for some reason according to the family. Again, beautiful white nominal Christian girl, soon-to-be divorcee earning less than a single year of her college tuition per annum. And this educational system says WHAT?

Blogger maniacprovost April 26, 2020 8:40 AM  

the vast majority of any hard skills being learned can be learned at a fraction of the cost and a fraction of the time, depending on the intelligence and discipline of the student, and the support of his family or community. Virtually all these skills can be learned during a paying apprenticeship, by those with basic math and communication skills and an aptitude for learning and improving

Ehhhh I suppose you can turn any smart person into a mediocre engineer or coder with on the job training. But some sort of replacement program is needed to produce good ones, be it online or professional society's stack of books.

What would be really valuable is some way to sift out good programmers and designers.

Blogger Rowan April 26, 2020 8:56 AM  

Public high school teachers are freaking out too. Pay cuts, staff reductions, static or decreased 2020/21 budgets are all possible outcomes.

Student engagement is higher now than in the classroom, at least from my own experience. A lot of teachers are control-freaking over student processes, cheating, etc. They’ve got to let that go. Outside of outright plagiarism, most stuff we know we get from outside sources anyway. Cell phones make “cheating” a part of every single class. Kids photograph written work and send photos to their friends so work is copied all the time. We cannot take cell phones away so it’s a persistent issue. But I can’t get worked up about it, above my pay grade. So far my students are exhibiting engagement with their assignments. I conducted a survey last week, and had a high level of satisfaction/agreement with working independently and on their own schedule. This is GOOD for college hopefuls.

Rutgers University’s president recently used Corona Chan to encourage students to consider college closer to home, in a bid to increase enrollment. In-state tuition with residence is out of control at Rutgers, but it’s still cheaper than going out of state. Rutgers does not require students to live there, so I commuted because I was very close to campus, my college costs were cheap, and it was also the mid-90s before tuition *really* skyrocketed. It’s been a steadily losing bet for decades.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 26, 2020 9:05 AM  

The problem is, that it's not just Boomers. The Generation-X working class, still severely over values a college education.

I have friend who didn't go to college himself but has a very, very successful handyman business. He is firmly convinced that putting all three of kids through college was great achievement.

Despite the fact that NONE of them have jobs that require a college degree.

Blogger Ingemar April 26, 2020 9:09 AM  

I just talked to a friend about this yesterday. Told him that the most likely casualties of this collapse are the financial industries, the universities and big media.

Blogger tdcommenter April 26, 2020 9:17 AM  

From a Forbes article: "schools are likely to declare financial exigency, allowing them to break the contractual tie and ease out tenured faculty."

Wuhan, Wuhan, amen.

Article: "Tenure is dying" - not worth the full read, link included for reference.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedder/2020/04/13/academic-tenure-rip/#7de05ab415cf

Blogger Daniel April 26, 2020 9:21 AM  

Or she just wants to whore around

Blogger Robert Coble April 26, 2020 9:31 AM  

@ Tetro: "And the vast majority of any hard skills being learned can be learned at a fraction of the cost and a fraction of the time, depending on the intelligence and discipline of the student, and the support of his family or community."

I worked my way through community college (full time job as an electronics technician, supporting a family while taking classes) after military service. I specialized in multiple areas: electronics, programming, and engineering, and management. I could care less about a degree as a credential. After getting a job in an engineering organization (as a software "engineer" - obviously not a credentialed engineer), I spent a lot of time in the library at my local university which provided Bachelors, Masters and Doctorates in software engineering. I would get the curriculum, find the courses that I would need if I were actually taking classes, get the textbooks for the classes and study them thoroughly, doing all the exercises, experimenting/practicing on-the-job, and supplemented that study by perusing the stacks in the library. I never actually took a single class at that school, but I got a much broader and more in-depth education than the graduates.

I always laughed when some of the credentialed engineers I worked with would ask what my degree was in. I would tell them that I didn't have a degree (since they considered an Associate Degree to NOT be a degree). They couldn't figure out how and why I could do the things that I did without a degree. For example, the head of engineering assigned me as lead engineer on multi-million dollar projects within 6 months of when I started work there. My "peers" were still limited to working on projects valued at less than $25,000.

I ended up tutoring several people in the Masters and Doctoral programs at the university. Practical experience and applied knowledge win out over having a sheepskin without any sheep inside it. Where's the lamb?!?

I'm a Boomer and now retired. I can attest to (and detest) the credentialing mania of my cohort.

Blogger Robert What? April 26, 2020 9:31 AM  

Even worse than the wasted money is the wasted time for the vast majority of college students. One of my biggest regrets is sending my son to college. Although thankfully he has no debt.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 26, 2020 9:31 AM  

I just talked to a friend about this yesterday. Told him that the most likely casualties of this collapse are the financial industries, the universities and big media.

If Corona-chan was a Deep State op, then it just might turn out to be the biggest own-goal in modern history.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 26, 2020 9:37 AM  

I hate Corona-Chan with all my coal black heart, I had big plans to force every African American and Latin male to go to college, all gone to hell now.

Blogger RandyB April 26, 2020 9:41 AM  

One area that will be actively prevented from becoming a casualty: commercial real estate. Even if the prevention fails, that is the one sacrosanct economic sector that all parties at that socioeconomic level, political and otherwise, will rally together to save.

Blogger basementhomebrewer April 26, 2020 9:42 AM  

You will note the sudden influx of articles that decry the horrors of homeschooling and that all homeschooled children will be turned into inbred hillbillies by their lack of sophisticated public schooling.

Just read an article where a college professor said it was too overwhelming to teach her teenage children. The propaganda is getting more incompetent. Even your average normie is going to notice a professor claiming they can't teach.

As for the boomer dependence on college degrees. The nefarious generation codified the requirement for one into almost every full time job in corporate and bureaucratic America regardless if it is really needed.

Blogger Crew April 26, 2020 10:15 AM  

And Corona-chan is awakening the swing voters as well:

Swing voters approve of Trump’s virus effort, 75% want end of China reliance

The Democratic Party witch doctors probably know this and are now searching for a final solution to their problem.

Blogger urthshu April 26, 2020 10:24 AM  

I've long thought we in the US are completely confused about class. We tend to think it's about dollars and trappings when it's about behavior, power, and exposure to risk. Within the working class for example there are wealthy people just as there are impoverished uppers. Their children will half the time pursue all the trappings of the middle class like college and white collar work then find themselves excluded from advancement largely because they don't really fit in.

Blogger tuberman April 26, 2020 10:24 AM  

It's going to be slow going taking down the top tier of these 'elite' college GloboMarxists. The (((Ivy Leagues))) that fill the DC slots are flush with cash even today. The State Universities will suffer long before them, and they should, as they also pour out mush brained fools too.

Blogger Crush Limbraw April 26, 2020 10:26 AM  

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Just ike your acquaintances, reality is forcing all of us make sounder choices.

Blogger rikjames.313 April 26, 2020 10:29 AM  

In Michigan we have the big two powerhouses for Us. Football factories who have a lot of pretty good tech programs, and one heck of a lot of SJW nonsense--including huge diversity and inclusions staff. I teach at a smaller public university, where the kids without the scores and connections go, and we are way overstaffed with DIE employees--meanwhile most teaching is by adjuncts. The only tenure/track in law and accounting and business are Jews and politically active Blacks. I suspect this lockdown, if it extends to a second wave in the fall, will show many people that spending two years much more affordably at a community college (with a transfer credit agreement) that is already set up for successful distance learning is a way better idea. In America, if you are not going into science or engineering and want a program that is highly rated in that area, a degree is just a ticket for a company showing you can read/write/math at a 10th grade level, anyway. (I exclude people who got into an Ivy or Stanford and are using college for a track to upper class connections)

Media here is 90% home or MMJing, and I expect station owners to realize their studio space and edit rooms are too much square footage in the 2020s. And if you are making the blonde edit from home or report on weather from home anyway, why not put her on a gig contract, paying for minutes of airtime used? Which leads by 2030 to the net taking away local TV stations' role in news...

As for financial, most of their back office moved to Bangalore years ago, anyway. And the friendly, likable, handsome former fratguy doesn't need an office in a building, just a fancy shared meeting room or three and a back room shared office for when he needs to print something super quick for the customer to sign.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 26, 2020 10:32 AM  

But....but.... How are young women going to get a mile of peg D run through them and lose their ability to pair bond? Calamity!

Blogger Rahul S April 26, 2020 10:38 AM  

This is truly a blessing in disguise. My undergrad costs 44K a year as of now...so glad I graduated over a decade ago.

Blogger gunner451 April 26, 2020 10:46 AM  

While college degrees are total scams for the most part and even engineers could be trained for far less and in far less time I don't think that you'll kill this beast quite yet. The problem is the credentialists have infected every corner of our society. In particular government employment requires that you have that degree (used to be able to get by with experience but no longer) and even the contractors/businesses supporting government contracts must have the same degree/credential requirements. Any large corporation is the same. Plus since you can't issue a degree unless you're approved by the government I doubt that on-line competitors will ever be allowed to compete with the brick and mortar universities unless some large corporation like Amazon spends enough money in D.C. to get past all the regulatory blocks that are in place.

I would dearly love to see all these over paid university administrators out on the street but my feeling for this is that the CCP virus will take out the lower tier liberal arts colleges like Evergreen and Orberlin while leaving the larger ones in even more control with the government doing even more to prop up this debt ridden system.

It will be interesting to see how far this goes as the current solution to too much debt is more debt. Sooner or later it either has to all blow up or end in something similar to Zimbabwe. At that point degrees will not matter as you don't need a degree to live in a mud hut.

Blogger Shannon April 26, 2020 10:50 AM  

This is a deeper story that is being missed. Pre-boomers had a deep reverence for higher education that was bequeathed to boomers and is now lost. I’m old enough to have grandparents that were young adults during the Great Depression. My grandfather had a deep respect for an university education. He was the second son of a family of 10, raised on a farm. His father later became a plumber. There were only enough family resources to send one son to college and that was the first son. My grandfather took over the family plumbing business.

There was a time when Universities were places of learning and knowledge and bastions of western civilization

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 26, 2020 11:11 AM  

Maybe colleges and universities should lower their prices, if they want more students in the Fall.

And scale the cost of the degree based on its usefulness in the broader market.

Blogger Quartermain April 26, 2020 11:14 AM  

YAY!!!

Blogger Ingemar April 26, 2020 11:35 AM  

@VFM # 7634

In retrospect it was becoming clear to me that America's (and to the lesser extent the rest of the West's) entire higher education cabal was contrived as a means of 1.) population replacement for the lower upper-class 2.) a finishing school for foreign (mostly Chinese, then Indian, then MENA) elites and 3.) ritualized subjugation of heritage Americans.

Even back in my undergrad days, a handful of hippie-left types I knew were realizing that Chinese professors were using their laboratories to import and promote only Chinese students. He decried this practice as "racist" so unfortunately he's only half-woke in this regard.

Another academic, a Nepalese, pointed out that if a professor wanted to be "successful," he needed to have a laboratory full of Chinese grad students and postdocs. I use the scare quotes of course because success is measured in terms of number of publications and as this blog's proprietor has frequently pointed out, professionalized science has rapidly lost credibility; the signal-to-noise ratio is just way too low. In my own experience, the degree to which a PI is an entitled asshole is directly proportional to how much exposure to Chinese money and manpower he has.

The Chinese cultural expectation of their youth pursuing success in American higher education is even captured in the premise of some of their TV series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_We_Were_(2018_TV_series) (take a look at the production locations and tell me if you don't see some fuckery there)

If I were to reform scientific education in the United States, the biggest thing I would do is convert it from a profession to a trade. Trades are by no means "lesser" occupations than professions and have the advantage of paying young people to learn on the job (even if low hourly wage) rather than requiring the same person to get into five figure debt before having the papers needed to apply for a basic job (and losing it to a foreigner). Manufacturing, service and quality roles IMHO should not even require a BS at all, as those skills can be quickly learned in a matter of months--and if cutting edge research is needed it would be best to draw from the pool of already-experienced bench level technicians.

Hey, if druggies with no formal education can do psychedelic research on their own, why not other people?

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume April 26, 2020 11:36 AM  

@13

Skidmore. Good times. That campus and Saratoga in general is where local guys used to go hang out and pick up hot rich girls with no common sense.

Blogger Section 8A April 26, 2020 11:41 AM  

The sound you hear is the Normie NPC heads exploding over the clash between: Corona we must follow gov't leaders and close everything forever! vs. How can children learn being homeschooled publik skool is great!!

Blogger Scott April 26, 2020 11:50 AM  

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 26, 2020 12:00 PM  

gunner451 wrote:Plus since you can't issue a degree unless you're approved by the government I doubt that on-line competitors will ever be allowed to compete with the brick and mortar universities unless some large corporation like Amazon spends enough money in D.C. to get past all the regulatory blocks that are in place.
Western Governors University.

Blogger Unknown April 26, 2020 12:03 PM  

Ok relax Harvey Weinstein, you won't have to "split" open a bunch of young men if you don't want to

Blogger kurt9 April 26, 2020 12:06 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Heh. I've wondered for some time if the mass lockdowns of "non-essential businesses" will end up killing the credentialist economy while leaving the real Main Street economy relatively unscathed.

I wondered this myself. I work in manufacturing automation and I have been busy the entire time of the shutdowns. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Much of the main street economy is retail and personal service, from stores to restaurants, fitness gyms to hair dressers; and this part of the economy is just getting hammered by the shutdowns. Stores and restaurants are adapting by going to internet shopping and take out/delivery only. But this only goes so far and does nothing to help personal service like hair dressers.

Blogger RonG April 26, 2020 12:14 PM  

In my first year of university, I would just sit in on some of the course lectures (algebra, calculus, the humanities electives), and at the end of the year just write the challenge exams for a nominal fee, and skip paying tuition for those credits. But if I had it to do over again I would skip university entirely, even though it is much cheaper here in Canada.

Blogger gunner451 April 26, 2020 12:29 PM  

@Snidely Whiplash

Well looks like I was wrong on that point! Thanks, I guess I'm a bit out of date on that issue, I remember in the 1990's certain conservative colleges in California having issues getting accreditation for not towing the liberal line on things like evolution. It seemed to me at the time that all of the accreditation stuff was very politically motivated and I just assumed that they were still using this as a block for anything that may rock the boat of current institutions.

Blogger Doug Cranmer April 26, 2020 12:52 PM  

Earlier in my life I spent a few years working as a private tutor, mainly math and physics at the high school, community college and first and second year university level. It does take a bit of time to build up your clientele but once you develop a good reputation, start getting referrals and have something of a pipeline going you can make OK money. You're not going to get rich but it certainly makes enough to live on and it made me realize there is a nice opportunity for a flexible side business when I do finally retire. It's also cash based.

If learning is going to be moved online much more in the future then there will be a real opportunity for personal teaching and tutoring. Not everyone has the ability to be self taught no matter how good the material is. There will always be a need for someone to walk through the steps and show how the work is done.

Of course it looks like there are going to be a lot of out of work "teachers" down the road, too.

One thing that experience taught me is just how many bad teachers there are out there. And also how many students who simply shouldn't be in a university.

Blogger RedJack April 26, 2020 12:53 PM  

Totally agree. The flip side is not every one WANTS to go up. I have a good paying job, one where I have on occasion ran into higher class people. In many cases, I don't want to be in that culture. I like my books, bourbon, guns,and garden . I fight in with my small town. I wouldn't in a higher class exurb

Blogger pyrrhus April 26, 2020 1:02 PM  

A college degree became a semi-necessity when the Labor Dept ruled it was a BFOQ that could be used to screen out applicants, avoiding lawsuits by minorities who rarely had them....

Blogger pyrrhus April 26, 2020 1:20 PM  

@47 "Books, bourbon, guns and garden"....sounds pretty good to me!

Blogger Akulkis April 26, 2020 1:36 PM  

"Just read an article where a college professor said it was too overwhelming to teach her teenage children. The propaganda is getting more incompetent. Even your average normie is going to notice a professor claiming they can't teach."

What department is she a prof in? Education?

With a few exceptions, the students majoring in Education seemed like the dimmest bulbs on my campus -- to the extent that I couldn't believe that the were in the same university as me.
And this was at Purdue, where the School of Education actually warrantees the quality of their graduates -- if your school system hires a teacher out of Purdue's School of Education, and you decide to get rid of that teacher before the 3rd year of teaching, Purdue will refund your school system for that teacher's salary.

I can't imagine what it's like at other schools.

Blogger Jack Amok April 26, 2020 1:51 PM  

A college degree became a semi-necessity when the Labor Dept ruled it was a BFOQ that could be used to screen out applicants, avoiding lawsuits by minorities who rarely had them....

Yes, and this is the other death knell for modern colleges. Of course the lawsuits and regulatory types then turned their attention to college degrees and found the average university was happy to roll over. So here we are a couple of generations later and colleges have squandered their potential role as job applicant screeners. Pretty much anybody can get a sheepskin today, so companies who care about actual results have to find another way.

It will take a while to finish crumbling, but the "degree as substitute for IQ test" is already kaput.

Blogger phunktor April 26, 2020 1:58 PM  

DrJ dicit:"But....but.... How are young women going to get a mile of peg D run through them and lose their ability to pair bond? Calamity!"

All the big heads attached to little heads must now learn to shun the ruined,jaded unwifables. Maybe someone could teach them? If only there were an institution devoted to the forward propagation of such hard earned timeless wisdom! Comrade Bergoglio is NOT stepping up!

Blogger Doug Cranmer April 26, 2020 2:09 PM  

Ingemar wrote:it was becoming clear to me that America's (and to the lesser extent the rest of the West's) entire higher education cabal was contrived as a means of 1.) population replacement for the lower upper-class 2.) a finishing school for foreign (mostly Chinese, then Indian, then MENA) elites and 3.) ritualized subjugation of heritage Americans.

In Canada STEM graduate school is essentially a pipeline now for immigrants to gain Canadian citizenship and access to the North American job market, plus a lucrative skim for the universities running the pipeline.

But the quality of the Ph.D.'s being graduated is appallingly low. Almost none have ever held a real job in their life. They virtually all come from quite well off families because that's the only way to afford those years of education.

And they have incredibly entitled attitudes. Just assholes to have to work with. And are only interested in hiring and promoting people from their own country.

They were never serious about the work. Once they get the degree and citizenship they are absolutely not going to screw things up by taking chances and failing at genuine innovative technical work. Invariably they get into software development and then beeline for a management position after that. They're always the ones whinging on about how we have to be "practical" in meetings. Just absolute twits.

Blogger phunktor April 26, 2020 2:13 PM  

my Dad retired as a mustang O-5. He was aware that having {DSC,BS,SS,SS(V()*2, PH*3} after his name would not get him through the sheepskin ceiling. He lovingly programmed me to get a degree at all costs. 40 years after graduation I finally "got" some of what had been thrown haphazardly at me.
"the principal components are the eigenvectors of the inverse of the covariance matrix" sounds like gobbledygook, but you can actually watch theories and concepts escaping from huge piles of raw data. It is awesome.

Blogger BillHinDaytona April 26, 2020 2:25 PM  

As a young man fresh out of college in 1986, one thing I had noticed about non-degreed older men (but who were great at their jobs) was their mistaken perception of what college was.

I don't know how many of them were very well-read, but assumed they weren't compared to someone with the credential. It reminded me of the Wizard of Oz talking to the Scarecrow: "And they have no more brains than you ... but they do have something you don't have, a diploma."

Then, on the other hand, there were people who were self-educated ... they'd read a book, assumed there was only one possible interpretation ... and that was that. They could have used university education.

For my part, I have two degrees. As an undergrad, I legitimately conducted myself as a student for two of the four years. My two years in grad school, I worked hard.

Education is cumulative. But to me, mostly it's about catching you up on the civilizational conversation that's been going on since before you were born.

It's about not having to re-invent the wheel.

Blogger justaguy April 26, 2020 2:29 PM  

#33: Many engineering programs have become longer just to fit in all the training engineers need to start. They still need mentoring and actual applied skills once they get to their firm. there is a reason and engineer can't take the the PE exam until after a few years of experience. Engineering (those that take 5-6 semesters of calculus not the fake computer engineer courses) and hard sciences take over 120 credits to complete basic coursework including a few courses to ensure the engineer can actually write a sentence, paragraph, and a coherent 1 page paper.

Blogger Morrisfactor April 26, 2020 3:01 PM  

America's colleges churn out 90,000 degrees a year in GENDER STUDIES. Let's hope the coronavirus cuts that number in half - if not more.

Blogger Pseudotsuga April 26, 2020 3:10 PM  

I can't but hope that this collapse of the host will at least damage, or even stop the viral infection which has, over the last half century and longer, replaced what used to be known as education with indoctrination.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 26, 2020 3:19 PM  

I wondered this myself. I work in manufacturing automation and I have been busy the entire time of the shutdowns. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Much of the main street economy is retail and personal service, from stores to restaurants, fitness gyms to hair dressers; and this part of the economy is just getting hammered by the shutdowns. Stores and restaurants are adapting by going to internet shopping and take out/delivery only. But this only goes so far and does nothing to help personal service like hair dressers.

@43 kurt9
Sure, but unlike the paper-pusher economy, personal service is more likely to bounce back. People need to get their hair cut, after all.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 26, 2020 3:52 PM  

@13 Just imagine how someone with her gifts could have managed a household, adding huge value to her family, as she raised many children, etc. And along with that she would be building community with other women of her ilk. Why it's downright heavenly to think about. But alas...

Blogger weka April 26, 2020 6:52 PM  

When you have sorted out the stats for as many PhDs as I have, then you know it is crock. Did my MPH part time while working clinically.

The university will return to being a sheltered workshop for the very bright, and not an export industry preying on thots and their idiot parents.

Blogger weka April 26, 2020 6:58 PM  

A mark of unwifeability: a pain in the ass and a financial liability.

Blogger eclecticmn April 26, 2020 7:05 PM  

4. TetroApril 26, 2020 7:35 AM
Academics are now gatekeepers to corporate and government positions.


Have you seen the CVs of all the top feds going after Trump? Ivy League almost all. It is a name game. Big law firms only interview at 'top' schools. Federal clerkships almost all go to Ivy League law grads. Whether they learn anything at these Ivy League schools is beside the point because the they have the name which does matter. The top schools will be full no matter what.

Blogger eclecticmn April 26, 2020 7:13 PM  

37. IngemarApril 26, 2020 11:35 AM
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Even back in my undergrad days, a handful of hippie-left types I knew were realizing that Chinese professors were using their laboratories to import and promote only Chinese students. He decried this practice as "racist" so unfortunately he's only half-woke in this regard


Yes. Professors need to publish and need submissive slaves to do research. The often limit the number of courses their grad students can take to extend their servitude. They discriminate against US citizens for this reason. It is very hard for many US citizens to be admitted to grad programs. Some schools discriminate against anyone letting on they want a terminal MS degree.

Blogger MaskettaMan April 26, 2020 7:17 PM  

What if technically minded persons started applying to jobs without getting a degree?

That would be crazy.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 26, 2020 10:35 PM  

If I were to do it over, I'd find a decent community college and then matriculate into a decent engineering program. Would have saved me a bundle up front. It only cost me $4k recently for an undergrad certificate for CS at my local CC, and I ended up doing rather well (3.82 GPA). And that was after hours and not on my own dime.

I'm strongly encouraging my children to go CC and get an Associate's, if they so desire, so they're at least marketable and maybe have someone else pay for things along the way.

The killer these days is corporate recruiters feeding buzzwords into their position descriptions that weed out even seasoned veterans AND entry level types because they don't understand their employers' business areas. What's even sadder is a lot of these recruiters are full-on HR believers that can't get past diversity requirements, and then they wonder aloud why they can't find the people they need to do the work that's not getting done.

Blogger Unknown April 26, 2020 11:48 PM  

Universities need to be split into schools that teach "useless" subjects and those that teach "practical" subjects. Students that go into the useless subjects need to pay their own way or get grants, but no government backed loans. Those that go into practical subjects, can get loans but they have to be repaid. These days post secondary school is just a 4 year party resort paid by taxpayers, its just daycare for young adults. The strange thing is even today, people who haven't gone to university and are still successful, still dream of their kids going to uni.

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2020 2:22 AM  

@phunktor:

All the big heads attached to little heads must now learn to shun the ruined,jaded unwifables. Maybe someone could teach them? If only there were an institution devoted to the forward propagation of such hard earned timeless wisdom!

Thank God for the chans! Assuming that most residential colleges will fail, it is inevitable that there will be a #DontMarryIvy campaign to warn men against the remaining thots that still get the "full college experience" (which is correctly read with a crone's cackle) of more dicks inside them than they can reliably count.

Blogger JamesB.BKK April 27, 2020 2:29 AM  

Gavin McInnes did a Ted x talk on what's called teamwork. Unsure if he was invited back. Somebody's bound to quibble with some factual claims. https://youtu.be/6fUhMIzvpQk

Blogger Jack Amok April 27, 2020 4:17 AM  

Centuries ago, universities helped prepare the Clergy for the Church. They still do, only they serve a rather different "church" these days.

Blogger Avalanche April 27, 2020 7:39 AM  

@16 "I have friend who didn't go to college himself but has a very, very successful handyman business. He is firmly convinced that putting all three of kids through college was great achievement."

My GC (doing drywall work for me) said he went to college for two years, because "everyone was supposed to" -- and he thought it was a ridiculous waste of his time; all general courses, none of which would be of any help in his future work. He has 8- and 4-yr old girls, and a 3-week old son; making good money, even in lock down; and 'self-educates' on the web stuff he's interested in. Southern boy, though; raised in reality!

He thinks college is a waste unless you need it for, say, nursing or engineering.

Blogger Avalanche April 27, 2020 7:50 AM  

@23 "I hate Corona-Chan with all my coal black heart, I had big plans to force every African American and Latin male to go to college, all gone to hell now."

"Hey! Where all de White girls at?"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 27, 2020 8:39 AM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:The killer these days is corporate recruiters feeding buzzwords into their position descriptions that weed out even seasoned veterans AND entry level types ...
You fill out the online application by cutting and pasting from the job requirements. ``Must have 10 years experience with $BUZZWORD'' becomes ``Have 10 years experience with $BUZZWORD.''

You know you don't, your eventual boss knows you don't - at least after the interview - and the HR droids don't know you don't, and they don't even know what $BUZZWORD means. If you actually have experience, you have a good clue whether you can do the job, and you'll know what questions to ask in the interview to confirm that you can.

Blogger Akulkis April 27, 2020 10:03 AM  

"Engineering (those that take 5-6 semesters of calculus not the fake computer engineer courses) and hard sciences take over 120 credits to complete basic coursework including a few courses to ensure the engineer can actually write a sentence, paragraph, and a coherent 1 page paper."

I'm a Computer Engineer, and my plan of Study was 128 credit hours, with only 109 of those credit being in the realms of Math, Science, or Engineering. And yeah, that includes a shit-load of calculus. Because even digital computers are made of analog components, and when you take a transistors course (both circuit design, and device design), you get the whole enchilada of analog considerations. Plus nearly every computer in use has some sort of DAC and/or ADC (Digital to Analog Conversion and Analog to Digital Conversion) going on somewhere, such as the devices that store and read data off of rotating platters.

If you think a BSE in Computer Engineering is an escape route from higher calculus, you're dead wrong. And yeah, I had to take thermodynamics, even though with computers, here's what you need to know about heat:

1) If the interior of the case is hot -- put a fan that draws in air from the outside.
2) If a device inside the case is still hot, put a heatsink on it.
3) If the device is still hot, put a fan blowing directly onto the heatsink
4) If it's still to hot, use liquid cooling or a refrigeration system.

(1) and (4) apply to machine rooms.

So, yeah, I got to learn all about entropy, enthalpy, various heat-engine cycles and all that other stuff, none of which had the slightest bit of application to computers.

However, I'm finding that lately, all of the problems I'm most interested in are Thermo related.

Blogger Paul M April 27, 2020 10:35 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:This is also a generational thing. Boomers, being wildly over-degreed themselves, see a degree as a membership card into decent society.

Nothing that happens in the USA makes any sense until you ask: "Gee, I wonder if race has anything to do with this?

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2020 2:39 PM  

@ Paul M:

My favorite example of "SJWs always project" is how the white-supremacy Chicken Littles so often live in super-white gated communities.

Blogger Enjcj April 28, 2020 11:15 AM  

I looked into Harmelacademy when our priest wrote about it in a bulletin put out to the parish. Said something to the effect that now the college "hysteria" is easing up to look into trades again and suggested Harmelacameny. I'm sure this is mostly due to millennials not beging able to find jobs and even the more traditional minded getting sucked into that scam. Their children end up not being able to find a job either because they majored in something like philosophy or entomology. But looking into Harmel again its 18,550 a year, equaling 74,220 for 4 years. Isn't that still expensive if my kid will go there to be an Electrician? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to send them to a local trade school? I don't need the kid getting a classical education to get a trade! The education part should've been taken care of for the first 18 years, after that they need to be able to go out and make a living!

Blogger eclecticmn April 28, 2020 6:05 PM  

66. SemiSpook37April 26, 2020 10:35 PM
If I were to do it over, I'd find a decent community college and then matriculate into a decent engineering program.


I agree but it depends on the quality of the CC. They vary. Some suck. The teaching quality at some big name public research universities is not only costly but the quality is terrible. The profs who teach intro chem or calculus often drew the short straw, hate teaching, and are bad at teaching. The classes may have hundreds of students in a lecture 3 days per week plus 2 smaller size seesions with grad student teaching assistants 2 days per week. The teaching assistants may not speak English well, and many profs do not either. The careers of the profs and teaching assistants (grad students) do not depend on teaching quality, only research. The profs would not send their kids there for undergrad if they can afford smaller schools. Thomas Sowell wrote about that.

Many state universities have smaller local schools where the profs actually enjoy teaching and are good at it. They speak English.

IMO students should take responsibility for their own education for tech/math courses. Some teachers suck. If the student gets stuck on a class subject get a tutor or seek out Khan Academy or Coursera videos. The coursera type lectures are first class IMO.


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