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Wednesday, April 22, 2020

Everyone is lying

But, as Ron Unz has observed, in matters of international import, the Chinese government and media have repeatedly been proven to be more honest than the US government and media:
Few Americans remember our 1999 attack upon the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and if not for the annual waving of a bloody June 4th flag by our ignorant and disingenuous media, the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” would also have long since faded from memory. Neither of these events has much direct importance today, at least for our own citizens. But the broader media implications of these examples do seem quite significant.

These incidents represented two of the most serious flashpoints between the Chinese and American governments during the last thirty-odd years. In both cases the claims of the Chinese government were entirely correct, although they were denied by our own top political leaders and dismissed or ridiculed by virtually our entire mainstream media. Moreover, within a few months or a year the true facts became known to many journalists, even being reported in fully respectable venues. But that reality was still completely ignored and suppressed for decades, so that today almost no American whose information comes from our regular media would even be aware of it. Indeed, since many younger journalists draw their knowledge of the world from these same elite media sources, I suspect that many of them have never learned what their predecessors knew but dared not mention.

Most leading Chinese media outlets are owned or controlled by the Chinese government, and they tend to broadly follow the government line. Leading American media outlets have a corporate ownership structure and often boast of their fierce independence; but on many crucial matters, I think the actual reality is not so very different from that in China.

I tend to doubt that Chinese leaders have any overwhelming commitment to the truth, and the reasons for their greater veracity are probably practical ones. American news and entertainment completely dominate the global media landscape and they face no significant domestic rival. So China recognizes that it is vastly outmatched in any propaganda conflict, and as the far weaker party must necessarily try to stick closer to the truth, lest its lies be immediately exposed. Meanwhile, America’s overwhelming control over global information may inspire considerable hubris, with the government sometimes promoting the most outrageous and ridiculous falsehoods in the confident belief that a supportive American media will cover for any mistakes.

These considerations should be kept in mind as we attempt to sift the accounts of our often unreliable and dishonest media in hopes of extracting the true circumstances of the current coronavirus epidemic. Unlike careful historical studies, we are working in real-time and our analysis is greatly hindered by the ongoing fog of war, so that any conclusions are necessarily very preliminary ones. But given the high stakes, such an attempt seems warranted.
Read the whole thing, as it is a very good analysis of the present situation regarding the coronavirus and some of the vagaries concerning what is believed to be the original outbreak in Wuhan. The big difference today, an important factor that Unz did not include in his analysis, is that the US government and media are no longer in alignment as before, since the Deep State + US media is in direct conflict with both the Trump administration and the Chinese government + Chinese media.

Unz's conclusion is that the virus was a nominally US biological attack on China and Iran that hit the US as an unintended backlash. He notes, significantly:
One intriguing aspect of the situation was that almost from the first moment that reports of the strange new epidemic in China reached the international media, a large and orchestrated campaign had been launched on numerous websites and Social Media platforms to identify the cause as a Chinese bioweapon carelessly released in its own country. Meanwhile, the far more plausible hypothesis that China was the victim rather than the perpetrator had received virtually no organized support anywhere, and only began to take shape as I gradually located and republished relevant material, usually drawn from very obscure quarters and often anonymously authored. So it seemed that only the side hostile to China was waging an active information war. The outbreak of the disease and the nearly simultaneous launch of such a major propaganda campaign may not necessarily prove that an actual biowarfare attack had occurred, but I do think it tends to support such a theory.
But we cannot and should not rule out evil intent and the possibility that the "unintended backlash" was actually an intended bonus. Because another element that needs to be explained is the bizarre "incompetence" of the CDC, which has repeatedly acted in a manner guaranteed to enhance rather than restrict the spread of the virus, as well as the strange attempts by Democratic governors in New York and Michigan to criminalize medical treatments and reject medical equipment. And it is this purported incompetence, in combination with the strange tangential transmission to the Iranian leadership, that tends to indicate the coronavirus as a coordinated Deep State attack on China, Iran, the Trump administration, and the American people.

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69 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker April 22, 2020 6:07 AM  

Deep State vs. Everyone Else sounds plausible, I must admit.

Blogger Felix Bellator April 22, 2020 6:28 AM  

So many variants here it is difficult to summarize:

1. Hypothesis that this was this is a Trump strike against China and Iran that spilled into a backlash on the West.

2. Hypothesis that coronavirus was a Deep State attack on China, then closing Wuhan off from the rest of China but leaving international flights open to the rest of the world was a Chinese counter-attack. If the Deep State is embedded in Iran with the Obama connection, then the effects in Iran were a backlash. The effects on the West were then intended or not is a variant, either being capitalized upon or simply dealt with.

3. Hypothesis that the Chinese intended or accidentally released the virus, tried to contain it from spreading in China, but releasing to the world. Intentional release could have been coordinated with various possible groups within the U.S. including: Chinese aligned/controlled
Democrats & media, Deep State with or without Chinese cooperation, or some other combination.

Following a trail of who benefits doesn't necessarily lead to the responsible party if this was a colossal screw up and now they are in damage control mode. Trump is navigating this well, but the imponderables would tend to rule him out as the originator, he is too smart to play such a risk ladened hand.

No matter the origin, China is responsible for closing Wuhan to China but allowing travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world. My bet is on a Chinese plus Deep State desperation play gone sideways with a Trump win.

Blogger CM April 22, 2020 6:28 AM  

That's a lot of targets for the Deep State and if it's goal is global conflict, I suppose I could see it.

But given the TA's response to the pandemic, it seems like an own goal.

I thought the DS were aiming for global cooperation with them poised at the forefront to control and benefit from global hegemony even as average citizens of the global order devolved into mediocre sameness across all continents.

I thought T's objective to shift from global interests benefiting the top echelons to national prominence benefitting average americans was anathema and it seems the outcome of this virus is leading there instead.

If this is just more Trump chess where the evil class is obnoxiously stupid in their evil machinations, maybe.

I don't know if I think they are that amazingly foolish and Trump is that smart - it almost feels like a poorly written plot line designed to make the hero seem so good, they have to make the villain that incompetent. However, they did do gun running to cartels and clearly don't know how to do diplomacy, so maybe I can accept they are so stupid.

Blogger FALPhil April 22, 2020 6:39 AM  

I am not discounting evil intent, but, from experience within the institution, I can uncategorically confirm that if the CDC is not incompetent, it is at least organizationally inept. None of the news coming out of the CDC concerning corona-chan is surprising to one who has spent any time dealing with that morass of bureaucracy and academic impracticality. Heck, even the name is misleading. Name one disease they have ever actually controlled.

All that aside, we must remember Occam's Razor.

Blogger Robert Browning April 22, 2020 6:42 AM  

What is the Jews game? Why did Israel television report of Israel and NATO being informed of the sickness by the US in November? Why?

Blogger CoolHand April 22, 2020 6:46 AM  

Unfortunately, some people cannot seem to grasp the idea that Cabal operates in every country on earth, and is not at all squeamish about their own countrymen (or even their own families, it seems) dying as a byproduct of their machinations.

If this was a Cabal operation, the question of whether the US attacked China and Iran or if China attacked the US and Iran is entirely pointless, because Cabal assets inside ALL THREE countries very likely assisted in carrying out the attacks all over.

Blogger Bogey April 22, 2020 7:12 AM  

It only came from one place. We should just accept what we have been wondering for a few months now. This is a pestilence sent by God.

There are numerous "If Then" statements throughout the old testament. Pestilence is just one phase of God's wrath.

You can see how the culture has been effected by this thing, and anyone who says it isn't real makes a slight against God.

Blogger Pencil Maestro April 22, 2020 7:15 AM  

Because it's a planned fake pandemic? Corona viruses usually last from December at the earliest to April at the latest.

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2020 7:18 AM  

@2. Felix Bellator

1. Given the complicity of the FBI in arresting that Harvard professor on flimsy charges, I would hesitate to call this a Trump strike.

3. A problem with this one is that if it were an offensive by the Chinese, they'd want to make sure all the infected leaving China were going to the spots they want them to get to, and not decide to just bunker up in China and ride it out. This implies that China would want those who were leaving and were infected or had the means to distribute the virus, to be working on their payroll and order, and the more people involved in a conspiracy the far harder it is to keep it secret.

2. Is the most likely.

Blogger Monotonous Languor April 22, 2020 7:29 AM  

The Deep State are representatives of the globalists. Why couldn't both the DS AND the CCP be co-conspirators? The globalists go to the Chinese with their plan, and cut a deal for separate world spheres of influence. Any finger pointing would be just short-term theater to confuse the rubes. Then the DS creates the virus via UNC, Fort Detrick, Harvard, and the CDC, and surreptitiously hands it off to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The virus is released one way or another, data about transmittal is ignored or destroyed, and soon enough the whole world is in crisis mode for the globalists to take advantage of.

Blogger ZhukovG April 22, 2020 7:33 AM  

A Deep State attack on North America, Europe and Iran by way of China(the patsy), seems plausible.

Or, a Globalist attack against Nationalism, if you will.

Russia seems to be holding its own and has sent considerable medical aid to other countries.

The King of the North does battle against The Anti-Christ in The West, not for the first time and certainly not for the last time.

Blogger Bogey April 22, 2020 7:34 AM  

I wasn't going after the Big Bear with that last statement. Bless Owen, yesterday he showed a clip where our culture was at on New Year's Eve, embracing that which God says is an abomination.

In my mind the absolute worst thing that can happen now is we go back to the ways things were. I still don't think enough pain has been applied to the entertainment industry. As many are still planning to release a lot of crap that is still anti-God.

Blogger Gettimothy April 22, 2020 7:36 AM  

"The ol' lets you and him fight" setup gone awry.

Blogger FisherOfMen April 22, 2020 7:43 AM  

Am I alone in not remembering "almost from the first moment that reports of the strange new epidemic in China reached the international media, a large and orchestrated campaign had been launched on numerous websites and Social Media platforms to identify the cause as a Chinese bioweapon carelessly released in its own country" happening?

What I remember is tons of politicians in the USA having supportive rallies in their local Chinatown and calling Trump racist, don't be a Trump.

The only place I remember what UNZ is describer would be on 4Chan, and 4Chan is basically Poe's Law for any question or philosophy you ever bring up.

Blogger bramley April 22, 2020 7:47 AM  

This could be a good reason for China to try and to hush up any outlets pointing to an origin in the Wuhan labs. Not for the purpose of avoiding culpability for failings, but rather to minimise receiving blame despite being the target of an attack which could never be adequately explained. The CCP's immediate reaction to the outbreak was indeed quite strange, and has all the indicators of malfeasance made to look like ineptitude on their part. Very tricky.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 22, 2020 8:04 AM  

Cabal operates in every country on earth

Right. The Deep State certainly has elements in China. Especially considering the US Jews were planning to move there when America was no longer hospitable. They wouldn't plan to go somewhere that they didn't already have hooks in. China wouldn't have gotten a top-level biolab in the first place if the DS didn't have plans for it.

I disagree with his claim that there's been no pro-China propaganda campaign. The US media right from the start said calling it the Chinese Virus was racist, and there have been a lot of vague claims about the virus showing up in various places earlier than Wuhan, which would let China off the hook. There were early articles planted in magazines like Nature insisting the virus wasn't lab-made.

It's somewhat reminiscent of 9/11, when we were given an obvious cause--Muslim terrorists--and then told "Islam is peace" and we couldn't blame Muslims, which left a bunch of undirected anger they were able to turn into the War on Terror. Here we're presented with an obvious cause--a Chinese lab--and told that to blame China or even change our dealings with it is racist.

If you believe, as I do, that the Cabal orchestrated 9/11 but there were actual Muslims flying the planes, then you can believe that the Cabal was behind the development of this bioweapon and has kicked in a contingency plan to make the most of the outbreak, but that its origin as an accidental early release the Wuhan lab is true. I'm not ruling out anything else yet, though.

Blogger VD April 22, 2020 8:09 AM  

Why couldn't both the DS AND the CCP be co-conspirators?

Because the DS wants Xi out, even more than it wants Trump out. Trump is done in four more years. Xi could rule for decades.

Blogger FALPhil April 22, 2020 8:16 AM  

In my mind the absolute worst thing that can happen now is we go back to the ways things were.

Neither do a lot of people, but, with the exception of some window dressing, it will, unless we are prepared for a long, difficult fight.

Blogger Silly but True April 22, 2020 8:18 AM  

It is fine to focus backwards to understand as best as possible what actually happened.

But the most important thing is that whether evil intent, or evil incompetence, the solution to both is the same: President Trump.

Blogger Stilicho April 22, 2020 8:24 AM  

You left out Nevada's governor forbidding effective drugs too.

I don't know what Unz is smoking these days, but it must be strong stuff. The US media has been carrying water for China on this ever since it became apparent that China had a problem. The Deep State is generally aligned with the CCP and has no need to attack it this way (unless as Vox proposed yesterday, its increasing desperation as the Storm approaches led it to this point).

Occam's razor still points to Chinese incompetence in spilling this virus all over themselves. Second place is held by the Deep State theory. The idea that the CCP is telling the truth is a proabably a distant fifth (to make room for other theories) because that is as farfetched as the US media telling the truth.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 22, 2020 8:30 AM  

WAG on my part is motive for Chinese actions was the avian and swine versions that proceeded this mess, this would motivate them to penetrate the Army's bio warfare lab and the CDC that are no doubt staffed by Resistance females and their gamma orbiters.

Blogger Pratisara April 22, 2020 8:45 AM  

Going further, DS wants Trump, Xi, Modi, Bolsanaro, Boris Johnson, Duterte out.

Blogger Dark glasses Woody April 22, 2020 8:45 AM  

The national level analysis is an examination of a real contest for the narrative, but it is often as shadow cast upon the cave wall.
We might think of them by many names: Kabbalists, Occultists, Masons, Luciferians or Prometheans. Whatever the title they are keepers of hidden knowledge and they leverage their knowledge of the structure against the will of the designer.
Often when they act, they act with the force of the moment at their backs. They ride a wave to their desired beach rather than paddling in between sets.
The wave this time seems to be very big, perhaps too big to be recognised as distinct from the sky and I cannot see between desperation and opportunism.

Blogger islanti April 22, 2020 8:59 AM  

I get what you're saying but this comment is cringe inducing

Blogger xevious2030 April 22, 2020 8:59 AM  

If China is left with biological attack, how does China attack without being immediately counterattacked? If the weapon is engineered to not be that dangerous to the Chinese (3% maximum die off of Chinese, versus 97% of Westerners, within first 18 months)?

Trump is in place, and he goes off the Blackhat script to the Whitehat script. Trump keeps nuke codes under full US, not partial UN, control. Starts building/rebuilding wall, trade barriers, insourcing, spaceforce, military, nationalism, hegemony. What if part of the Whitehat script included a pre-inoculation of the actual target (West), months earlier, with a lesser variety that provided antibodies, and that was to be hush-hush for a while, let the bad apples show their hands, give away through tells? Santa and his list.

Blogger CM April 22, 2020 9:01 AM  

The only place I remember what UNZ is describer would be on 4Chan, and 4Chan is basically Poe's Law for any question or philosophy you ever bring up.

His positing that the propaganda arm was seeded by Trump friendly media makes it sound like he thinks Trump is responsible for the attack.

Or Bannon and ZH are deep state plants of propaganda placed to make fools of Trump's base?

I think that's the primary trouble spot for me in this scenario. The propaganda arm of the Deep State has been running cover for China, even going so far as criticizing any of the word plays as "racist". So I don't understand where he's claiming the propaganda is coming from.

If the current shifting narrative is damage control, I'd believe it's because Trump is outing them again. Which doesn't require super brilliance on Trump's part or super idiocy on DS part. Just mild incompetence and taking advantage of the opening. I'd more believe Q does Intel drops with Bannon and ZH with Trump's blessing than believe they are the propaganda arm of the Deep State.

OTOH, since we were funding the virology center during O's Admin, it could have been the US that leaked the virus, ZH and Bannon got wind of a virus leak, but not the leaker, and the DS was trying to cover their asses by claiming conspiracy.

I could buy that scenario.

Blogger TruthsGotMyBack April 22, 2020 9:07 AM  

I see it as a globalist counterattack on nationalism worldwide. Who has control of the global news agencies (UPI, Reuter’s etc) all the professional sports leagues, all big western institutions, and the financial system? It ain’t China. China is the fall guy.

Blogger d April 22, 2020 9:09 AM  

This would explain the cluster of videos catching Chinese (operatives?) in USA methodically infecting public areas. Such doesn't fit their historical behavior and attitude toward us otherwise.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 22, 2020 9:12 AM  

Global DS elements vs. everyone makes sense from the evil as chaos bringer perspective. It explains the coordinated political and media exploitation subsequently. Chinese influence on US media and government can be working to paint China favorably whether or not they released it.

That said, I'll admit to hammering China for the purely rhetorical purpose of trying to gin up economic nationalism. Considering that 'we shouldn't let a foreign rival make all our stuff' is a dialectical bridge too far for too many retards, might as well follow the crowd and leverage this for other goals.

Blogger tuberman April 22, 2020 9:18 AM  

"No matter the origin, China is responsible for closing Wuhan to China but allowing travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world. My bet is on a Chinese plus Deep State desperation play gone sideways with a Trump win."

This is partially true and add to that some portion of China has strong control over WHO and even CDC players. This is likely not Xi and his leadership, but China apparently has three major factions, and the faction that controlled Wuhan may be allies of convenience with DS players.

- Interaction and control over WHO and some DS players like Dr. Fauci and D.Birx by some Chinese element stands out, and since Unz doesn't mention this nor does he separate Trump from USA deep state lies...??


16. Damelon Brinn
"Cabal operates in every country on earth"

Am I saying Xi is in on this? No, the DS knows by now that they've been played by Xi, and hate him even more than Trump if possible.

Blogger Monotonous Languor April 22, 2020 9:20 AM  

Assuming that the Deep State is responsible, and that their targets are primarily mainland China and Iran, then you have to admire their work genetically speaking. How brilliant is it to create a virus that targets mainly oriental Han Chinese AND Aryan Persians? And how's that for an unacknowledged backhanded confirmation of race realism by the anti-racist Deep State?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 22, 2020 9:37 AM  

As Stefan Molyneux pointed out, China cut off Wuhan from the rest of the country but still kept the International airport their open for travel.

Regardless of who started it, they still have a large share of the blame for spreading it.

Blogger Sean April 22, 2020 9:52 AM  

I hope that one day, within my lifetime, all the classified material on events such as corona and 9/11 will be released/leaked to the public and we will finally have the truth, and not the patently false "official story".

Blogger Sean April 22, 2020 9:53 AM  

I read parts of the whole article and going to read in detail again, and also read some of the links. Fascinating analysis

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 22, 2020 10:06 AM  

China officially claims < 5,000 dead
...
and Unz thinks they're telling the truth?

that's not even remotely plausible. China is not going to shut down an entire province over 5k bodies on a population of 11 million.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 22, 2020 10:10 AM  

"but, with the exception of some window dressing, it will, unless we are prepared for a long, difficult fight."

We're into the "beatings will continue until morale improves" phase of public diplomacy. A long difficult fight is going to happen any which way, but the status quo is gone and not coming back soon.

"The Deep State is generally aligned with the CCP and has no need to attack it this way"

That we think of it as a singular Deep State is only one sort of recognition. If we knew it well we'd see that it breaks into a nearly endless number of competing factions at different levels of operation.

In addition, too many manipulations leave too many loose ends. Stupid people will pick up and run with stupid things like the racism narrative for their personal benefit even when it displeases their masters.

Blogger xevious2030 April 22, 2020 10:26 AM  

A possible tie-up to the last question of the post, is the Whitehat DS launching an attack on China and Iran, and the Blackhat DS, still hoping to move to China and have the US lessened, providing for a lessened response in the US than in China, further crippling/scuttling what they hope to leave.

Blogger Eugenius BEar April 22, 2020 10:34 AM  

Unfortunately, some people cannot seem to grasp the idea that Cabal operates in every country on earth, and is not at all squeamish about their own countrymen (or even their own families, it seems) dying as a byproduct of their machinations.



Agreed. I don't think the Cabal even has a country and considers the entire world to be there own personal playground. Anyone, no matter WHERE they are located, who dares to get in their way, is an enemy of the Cabal.

I think most of us run on an operating system / paradigm that is based on a hybrid of geography and lineage. The Cabal, in true reflection to their master, operates on a paradigm based on their superiority over "lesser lifeforms."

Blogger John Rockwell April 22, 2020 11:01 AM  

CoolHand wrote:Unfortunately, some people cannot seem to grasp the idea that Cabal operates in every country on earth, and is not at all squeamish about their own countrymen (or even their own families, it seems) dying as a byproduct of their machinations.

If this was a Cabal operation, the question of whether the US attacked China and Iran or if China attacked the US and Iran is entirely pointless, because Cabal assets inside ALL THREE countries very likely assisted in carrying out the attacks all over.


Basically a cult in power. The objectives of the cult over-rides all else.

I wouldn't be surprised if every cult is based on how Cabal operates.

Blogger John Rockwell April 22, 2020 11:05 AM  

VD wrote:Why couldn't both the DS AND the CCP be co-conspirators?

Because the DS wants Xi out, even more than it wants Trump out. Trump is done in four more years. Xi could rule for decades.


If only Xi weren't intent on rewriting the Bible according to Socialist principles. I might even cheer him on:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/china-trying-to-rewrite-the-bible-force-churches-sing-communist-anthems.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10616254/china-rewrite-bible-quran-xi-socialist/

As well as forcing Chinese Christians to sing Communist Anthems and worshipping Xi Jinping.

Blogger pyrrhus April 22, 2020 11:15 AM  

From mathematician William Briggs on the virus, hilarious and the comments too.....https://wmbriggs.com/post/30424/

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 22, 2020 12:01 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:That we think of it as a singular Deep State is only one sort of recognition. If we knew it well we'd see that it breaks into a nearly endless number of competing factions at different levels of operation.
The Deep State has many factions. The only thing they all agree on is that they must keep the peasants in their place. They will suspend their intra-DS fighting to harm you, when you get uppity.

It's a big club, and you're not in it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 22, 2020 1:07 PM  

Who has control of the global news agencies (UPI, Reuter’s etc) all the professional sports leagues....? It ain’t China.

What? Have you forgotten when the NBA had to kowtow to China because one of their executives tweeted something in support of the Hong Kong protesters? They made all the woke liberals in the league shut their mouths, lest they lose the sweet deal they have for broadcasting games and selling merchandise over there. (This is regardless of whether the protests were legit, by the way. Players in the league thought they were, and went mum anyway.)

Every large organization today kowtows to China, because they all want either to manufacture something there or to sell something there. That doesn't mean China "owns" the US media outright (that's still the Jews), but China can certainly count on media cover, especially in anything that looks like a China vs. Trump/America showdown.

Blogger Stilicho April 22, 2020 1:28 PM  

>That said, I'll admit to hammering China for the purely rhetorical purpose of trying to gin up economic nationalism. Considering that 'we shouldn't let a foreign rival make all our stuff' is a dialectical bridge too far for too many retards, might as well follow the crowd and leverage this for other goals.<

@OJB absolutely. "Made in China" delenda est!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 22, 2020 1:34 PM  

"The Deep State has many factions. The only thing they all agree on is that they must keep the peasants in their place."

The first rule of vampires is always that no one can break the masquerade, either from the inside or the outside.

Once that's reasonably ensured though, literally eating insider opponents is on the table.

Blogger Macs April 22, 2020 1:36 PM  

This kind of thing doesn't strike me as China's style, maybe they would use it as an excuse to repress their own people though. A release by globalist actors is not unthinkable, since it's turning out to be not too deadly they may be prepared to get it and recover. Also, what is up with that hot mic at the presser talking about a vaccine? Just a bit of humor at the job? Anyone good at body-language?

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2020 1:46 PM  

I'm trying to find a mental model that fits all of the evidence, and I think I got one; but I'm afraid that it's too clever by half, and I would appreciate a reality check.

Taking as given that the Prometheans have non serviam and the Will to Power as their only moral code, they are only ever situational allies of convenience, with literally as many factions as members.

So the only thing that unites the Worldians is their dehumanizing contempt for literally everyone else, anyone that isn't on board with their neo-Babeler project to immanentize the eschaton. As soon as you start getting into the details of how, the Cabal is in a Hobbesian war of all against all.

This makes them the poster children for "oft evil will shall evil mar," but also makes their hand in events difficult for normal people to discern, because they do in fact often act against each other's interests.

Am I on the right track, or just constructing a non-falsifiable conspiracy theory that could explain both anything and its opposite?

Blogger T April 22, 2020 1:54 PM  

It was a Canadian virus. November 2029 2 Chinese_canadian scientists arrested by mount tiwari for illegally smuggling bio samples out of BSL4 lab in China. January Canadian head of virology at some lab collapses in Kenya while on trip for HIV conference no cause of death given.

Blogger Rahul S April 22, 2020 2:00 PM  

Isn't it strange how all the HK protests stopped? Looks like China was in on it.

Blogger Geir Balderson April 22, 2020 2:04 PM  

@22
"Going further, DS wants Trump, Xi, Modi, Bolsanaro, Boris Johnson, Duterte out."

With all of their resources, would it be possible for the President and the others, to mobilize a secret force to roam the World and neutralize the DS memebers, agents or whatever they are titled?

I am sure there are lists of the DS provocateurs? Heck, even enlist trusted ex-military to clean up one section of their own states at a time.

Blogger Gen. Kong April 22, 2020 2:44 PM  

OTOH, since we were funding the virology center during O's Admin, it could have been the US that leaked the virus, ZH and Bannon got wind of a virus leak, but not the leaker, and the DS was trying to cover their asses by claiming conspiracy.

It's entirely possible that the Wuhan lab is still being funded by the regime in Sodom-on-Potomac. Trump stated he was going to cut off the funding (dating back to the Obama teleprompter-readership if not before) the other day. Even if he does this (and he seems to have very little control over the government) they might well continue to receive funding indirectly given the giant sucking sound from the recently-passed 2.1 trillion bailout of "small business" (like Haaavaaahd, various hedge-funds, Israeli firms, etc.). How much bailout money was tossed into the coffers of Arch-Devils (((Soros))) and Gates??

Q-anon has claimed the Cabal (e.g. DS) has operations in both China and Iran for some time now. It's also well-known that both (((Soros))) and Gates have ties to several bio-research facilities in Wuhan. CCP has more than one faction and Xi's anti-corruption campaign has resulted in a number of internal enemies. The Unz article is an important one and ties together many threads you'll not be seeing on either CNN or Fox News. The one important flaw in his analysis is that he lumps Trump in with the Deep State. Given the fact Trump has endlessly hired DS goons to work for him only to act surprised when they betray him this position is understandable, even through wrong.

Blogger Eugenius BEar April 22, 2020 2:48 PM  

Another thought crossed my mind......Israel has been wanting to crack the Chinese nut for some time. Perhaps Trump's recent efforts to curb Chinese imports pushed them to seek some "assistance".

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 22, 2020 3:04 PM  

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/385040.Lab_257

this was on anonymous conservative about a year ago. I'm reading through his archives.

Also, knowledge of bat viruses was pretty widespread in the public health professoriate at least 20 years ago. Public health officials, at least in their books, do not seem to have an nationalist sentiments, or care for humans that are not connected. The book on phages put out last year, the writer talks about swimming downstream from a sewage plant in India, getting MRSA alongside her public health employee spouse. They were flown- at great expense- hither and yon for treatment. Then they went spelunking, picked up some horrible disease and, again, got flown about, hither and yon across the globe, hopscotching through military hospitals, transport planes and airports, to get to a hospital in America. The hospital also treated immuno-suppressed children. The author talked about going to her husband's room- he had some horrid infection- in full gear- and then going to try to walk into the children's ward. One nurse stopped her.

That nurse is the only hero in the story. The writer was upset that she was not allowed to trail possible clouds of an untreatable disease into a ward full of immuno-suppressed children just so she could visit a friend. The friend was not a child in treatment.

Nursing profs at community college classes talking about bat viruses with 100% fatality rates, 20 years ago.

They don't think. They are filthy, filthy people.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 3:16 PM  

@CM

Just say what you mean to say. There's no point in trying to obfuscate what you're trying to say, especially just using transparent initials. All you do is annoy the reader whose time you're wasting while he is trying to figure out exactly what you're trying to say.

Blogger Canadian Warlord April 22, 2020 3:20 PM  

Air Forces Monthly, 20 years ago, ran an article stating that the Belgrade embassy attack was an undeclared act of war. All F-117 strikes were outside of the NATO mandate, so each sortie crossed the president's desk (Clinton). Always interested me that the most China-friendly (bribed) president, green-lighted that strike.

Not sure what conclusions can be drawn from that. Certainly a nuanced debate, what strings are pulled from where.

Wonder also what Charles Smith of the old "softwar" website would think of that!

Blogger Oswald April 22, 2020 3:23 PM  

The deep state does not want China to become the superpower unless they could control it. So deep state attacking China makes sense. Iran has long been on the sh_t list, which previously we believed was the USA sh_t list, but is in reality the deep state's list. Thus, an attack against Iran at the same time also makes sense.

The virus spreading to the USA is highly unlikely an "unattended consequence." More likley it is part of a much larger plan that they have been working on for years even decades, but that the rise of Trump, has caused them to move it up. If they have had to move it up before they were totally ready, then their chance of failure is higher than it would have been.

Trump's greatest danger is still, even at this late date, sleeper deep state agents. These agents could be activated even at a time when Trump appears on the verge of victory. Even after arrests, prosecutions, and long jail sentences have been imposed on mid-level deep state personel, these sleeper agents could arise to turn the tide. If Q is listening, then he, she, they should definitely invest energy in discovering these deep state sleepers.

Blogger eclecticmn April 22, 2020 3:27 PM  

The FDA and CDC are incompetent, as summarized under "The Tale of Two National Fuckups" at https://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/the-covid-19-boogaloo-opus-51b1c1b860cd
The only numbers I trust now are the total deaths from all causes and total deaths from illness (if available). Total deaths from all causes in the US are below expected for the year and skewed high by NYC.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

Blogger FP April 22, 2020 3:28 PM  

@35

That and his support of the clinton/nato air war on Serbia were the most hilarious part of his analysis. His lumping Trump in with the DS was the nail in the coffin for me taking him too seriously.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 5:41 PM  

"Going further, DS wants Trump, Xi, Modi, Bolsanaro, Boris Johnson, Duterte out."

The Russians... don't forget the Russians.

Blogger Ryu238 April 22, 2020 5:50 PM  

Trump is to blame for the incompetence:

"Unz's conclusion is that the virus was a nominally US biological attack on China and Iran that hit the US as an unintended backlash. He notes, significantly:"

And ignores that many on the right blamed China: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/america-far-right-coronavirus-outbreak-trump-alex-jones

Including Trump: https://www.salon.com/2020/03/20/donald-trump-crossed-out-coronavirus-and-replaced-it-with-chinese-virus-before-speaking-to-press/

Off course he just says an information war was waged...ignoring that China was doing the same: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

Blogger RMH in StL April 22, 2020 7:06 PM  

If China and Iran were the main targets, what would be the strategic motive behind the attack?

Obviously, if this was an act of Bio-warfare, then the outbreak here must also be intended. Otherwise, we'd have a cure already. But it is odd how fast a vaccine was developed and brought to trial. The speed of the vaccine testing breaks my credulity.

Blogger crescent wrench April 22, 2020 8:16 PM  

Consistency with history and national character need to be applied here.

The CIA recently lost swaths of its field operatives after China rooted them out in 2018.US military operates best in frontal assaults via air superiority; their record on covert missions is is a clown show with many failures not even requiring enemy contact.

Meanwhile, the Chinese have always been obsessed with "face" over competence. The nation that builds "cardboard cutout" ghost cities and has incidents where its baby formula is contaminated with poison can easily fail to properly isolate its bio-hazard laboratories.

The first obvious layer once it escapes containment is self-interested local officials who do NOT want to be the ones bearing bad news, and try to cover up and hope it blows over so their party records stay clean.

Once it becomes known to Xi in Beijing, it becomes a question of raw geopolitical power. If Xi acts responsibly, reports accurately, and moves to contain in a timely manner, his nation becomes a pariah and gets cut off from the world economy for a year: China falls behind. If he facilitates its spread, not only does that maintain China's relative geopolitical footing, the economic havoc hits Trump during an election year where he's running on the economy.

Were I in Xi's position, i'd be handing out plane tickets to Wuhan residents and encouraging them to see family on this oh so important New Year holiday.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 22, 2020 10:40 PM  

@62, Xi was cleverer than that. He told them the only way to leave Wu Han was on an international flight, and they paid for their own tickets.

Blogger James April 23, 2020 1:22 AM  

Geir Balderson, i like your line of thinking. A list of Deep Staters with a price on their head on a sliding scale. Lets go cheap and for one billion dollar general fund we could collect one hundred thousand Deep State scalps for ten thousand dollars per scalp. Thats alot of deep state scalps.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit April 23, 2020 1:47 AM  

Don't worry with the lawsuits against the Chinese government by individuals harmed as a result of the virus, it'll all come out in court.

Blogger Dan Karelian April 23, 2020 4:57 AM  

China will always see globalism as a means to an end to their imperialistic ambitions.
Even if the DS manages to get Xi Pooh out of power and through some means place a globalist playmate at the helm of it.
Temporary playtime is the best the DS can achieve with regards to China.

Blogger Kiwi April 23, 2020 6:12 AM  

I've been concerned for some time about China making a move on NZ. I know their weakness is a population to food ratio. I know a biological weapon on their food is a logical strategy in crippling them. When I realised the extent of swine fever on their pork I was surprised. I presumed that was either a remarkable fluke that kicked their back leg out or a biological weapon. I decided it didn't matter because it had likely weakened their plot to come down under and potentially strengthened our own meat industry. I felt a bit sorry for them.

Fast forward a few months and they'd been hit again. Obviously they know their own weaknesses and have plans for dealing with such things, they aren't stupid or careless like many want to believe. Much the same way they moved with the pigs they moved with the people.

An accidental release is unlikely because they aren't incompetent. A deliberate release as population control isn't necessary as they have more sophisticated means. A deliberate release as a red herring to pin the blame on another country? Not likely, unless they have a store of food and funds somewhere that we don't know about. Perhaps they have.

That leaves the other big players, America and Russia. To me, an outsider, it looks like America is trying to crush China and also get rid of the current monetary system at the same time. It's a race to reboot with a new global currency which will secure the top position. All those countries are capable of such a thing but it looks like America was first off the blocks. Perhaps the rush made things messy, perhaps it was now or never.

Either way, all I can do is hide out down here and wait to see who makes it through the storm.

Blogger Cappuccinobear April 23, 2020 1:33 PM  

This all almost seems like we are actively ramping society up to a major war with china.
We pulled back in the middle east, we shut down all economy, making all resources readily available to our military (cheap oil, idled manufacturing), pulled back on trade with china, and now the media is demonizing china, rightly or wrongly the effect is mass anger toward china.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 23, 2020 6:37 PM  

now the media is demonizing china

Except they aren't. They're saying you're racist if you even talk about the virus coming from China, and they're sticking with the "someone ate a bat so it's not really anyone's fault" story as long as possible.

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