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Friday, April 17, 2020

Jury fraud and fake justice

The railroading of Roger Stone continues:
The federal judge overseeing the trial of longtime Trump associate Roger Stone on Thursday denied his motion for a new trial, which was based on a claim of juror bias.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson said Stone's lawyers failed to demonstrate that a woman selected as a juror was biased against President Donald Trump, that she failed to disclose those views during jury selection and that she should not have been allowed to serve.

"The defendant has not shown that the juror lied; nor has he shown that the supposedly disqualifying evidence could not have been found through the exercise of due diligence at the time the jury was selected," the judge said.
The fact that the defendant showed the juror lied and that she was biased, was, of course irrelevant. This is why The Trial of Roger Stone has to be read in order to be believed. The corruption of the justice system is even worse than you probably imagine.

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62 Comments:

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid April 17, 2020 1:05 PM  

The corruption will take generations to drain, just as with Russia after the bolsheviks skipped town for the promised land. We may be fortunate to have a war on our soil looming on the horizon, the process then has the potential to be sped up considerably.

Blogger pyrrhus April 17, 2020 1:10 PM  

Emergency Appeal next...This judge should be sharing a prison cell with some of her buddies...

Blogger Azimus April 17, 2020 1:51 PM  

This is too high profile not to be overturned on appeal... unless they can't appeal? I'm not sure of that.

Blogger Zaklog the Great April 17, 2020 1:58 PM  

Rope, lying bitch "judge," lamppost.

Some assembly required.

Blogger Jeroth April 17, 2020 2:05 PM  

People need to be reminded that power comes from the barrel of a gun, not the whims of a deranged female judge. Trump can't keep waiting forever.

Blogger Mr. Naron April 17, 2020 2:35 PM  

Judges can be impeached. Removing this judge would be a great place to start.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 17, 2020 2:50 PM  

Trump is waiting for enough people to read that book before he pardons Stone.

Blogger liberranter April 17, 2020 2:53 PM  

If there is a silver lining to this dark, evil cloud, it is that there is now no NOW DOUBT WHATSOEVER, EVEN IN THE FEEBLEST OF MINDS that the Federal Judiciary is thoroughly and irremediably corrupt and that nothing remotely resembling justice can come from it. This has of course been obvious for many years to anyone paying any serious attention, but up until now there has been far too much benefit of the doubt given to this corrupt cabal even by people with functioning cerebra. This cannot possible any longer be the case.

The mask is now completely off, folks. Isn't it time to declare war?

Blogger gunner451 April 17, 2020 2:53 PM  

Trump should have issued a blanket pardon of all the people involved in this right after the report came out. It would have cut the legs off of all these slimes and the media outrage would have lasted only for a few weeks. As it is Stone, Flynn and the rest are just going bankrupt trying to fight the rigged system.

This is also probably why you'll never see Clinton or any of the deep state brought to trial. Barr knows that the DC circuit would never allow any of them to see the inside of a jail. Also, since DC is full of Dems you'll never get a jury to convict any prominent Dem.

Blogger liberranter April 17, 2020 2:54 PM  

This judge should be sharing a prison cell with some of her buddies...

What #4 Zaklog said.

Blogger Mitch Connor April 17, 2020 2:59 PM  

Judge (((Amy Berman Jackson)))

Every. Single. Time.

Blogger Jack Amok April 17, 2020 3:49 PM  

At this point, no just person can support calling it a crime to lie to any police agency. Certainly not to the FBI. Charging someone with making false statements should be taken as admission by the prosecutor that the interview was meant as entrapment.

Blogger Scuzzaman April 17, 2020 3:52 PM  

For all the loyalty Stone has shown, does he not deserve some in return?

Blogger stevev April 17, 2020 3:58 PM  

It really is time for deeper and darker measures. The tree of liberty is thirsty.

Blogger CM April 17, 2020 4:03 PM  

Judge (((Amy Berman Jackson)))

Every. Single. Time.


Is it self-hatred that drives them to confirm this so-called conspiracy theory? Or just hubris?

Blogger Robert Browning April 17, 2020 4:03 PM  

Only a Jew persecutes and torments the weak and the innocent. Only a Jew.

Blogger boogeyman April 17, 2020 4:19 PM  

How many judges has McConnell confirmed, and what percentage of all federal judges is that? At this rate, assuming Trump wins re-election and the Republicans hold the Senate, could they mostly purge the federal bench of this kind of judge?

Flynn and Stone should be pardoned this instant, but the longer term goal should be banishing these crooked judges.

Blogger Stilicho April 17, 2020 4:24 PM  

>The corruption of the justice system is even worse than you probably imagine.<

Instapundit likes to call the media "democrat operatives with bylines"

The same applies to the judiciary (appointed by dems and many appointed by cuckservatives as well, elected state court judges as well):

The judiciary are primarily globalist establishment operatives with silly robes. They will support any leftist, globohomo agenda or people they can. They see it as their job to give official sanction and the appearance of legitimacy to incremental evil.

Blogger drmikefleming April 17, 2020 4:48 PM  

Obama appointed Judge

Blogger The World War II Fanatic April 17, 2020 5:07 PM  

Nazis were right wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYdaEjyZApU

Blogger Bearable Pain April 17, 2020 5:23 PM  

The Constitution is like one of those paintings or photographs you hang on the wall that looks like a real window with a view of the outside world, but it's not real at all.. If you don't have real tangible access to those 'rights' they may as well be a post-modern de-constructed fiction. I feel for Stone because I've been through a similar type of character assassination and corruption at the hand of Rampart police, North Hollywood Police and LA Superior Court. Things ARE WORSE than they appear.

Blogger Jeroth April 17, 2020 5:24 PM  

CM wrote:Is it self-hatred that drives them to confirm this so-called conspiracy theory? Or just hubris?

It's not a coincidence that one of the most well known Hebrew words is chutzpah.

Blogger LAZ April 17, 2020 5:52 PM  

"The mask is now completely off, folks. Isn't it time to declare war?"

When Trump needs it, he can call on half the country to rise up. Our job right now is to prepare and redpill as many as possible.

"Is it self-hatred that drives them to confirm this so-called conspiracy theory? Or just hubris?"

Yes

Blogger Bearable Pain April 17, 2020 5:54 PM  

The World War II Fanatic - sorry you are wrong on two levels. Nazis are Jewish Patriarchs, Princes, it's derived form Rabbi Judah HaNazi (g-d prince) who redacted the Bible in the 1st Century to hide their secrets from the Romans. Nazi as you understand it is a propaganda term invented by the All-lies Media hint hint and second, Hitler and the National Socialists were Left of Center, and were at war with the far Left end of the spectrum, the Communists. Hitler was never yielding power to the Church and he never was trying to restore Monarchical aristocratic power in Germany. Yes, Hitler was striving for the sovereignty of Germany but not in a true Right wing God, King, Country, ideal. Hitler was a provable Leftist in that regard. Just because Germany was at war with Leftists does not make him Right-wing. Nazis as Right-wingers is an erroneous reduction to binary non-thinking.

Blogger Oswald April 17, 2020 6:00 PM  

That is why I always think a person and their lawyer is a fool if they consent to a bench trial on anything of importance. As easy as it is to taint a jury, imagine the judge making all the findings.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 17, 2020 6:01 PM  

The World War II Fanatic wrote:Nazis were right wing
If you want credibility in this forum, don't come in, drop a provable lie, and point to little titty baby Nick as your argument.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid April 17, 2020 6:27 PM  

@Snidely, I was surprised to see OT bait posted. Allowed for public flogging?

Blogger Boaty Bear April 17, 2020 6:38 PM  

Who needs a civilian jury when you've got military tribunals?

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 17, 2020 6:44 PM  

Remember: to be a law abiding citizen in a lawless land is a high form of cuckoldry.

Blogger weka April 17, 2020 8:27 PM  

This is akin to the Pell case. Kangaroo court, yet to be over ruled. And it will be.

Blogger Glaivester April 17, 2020 9:03 PM  

I'm praying that God gives this judge a heart attack.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 17, 2020 9:05 PM  

@20, National Socialists were socialists. It's right in the name, moron.

/bugs bunny voice
What a maroon!

Blogger crescent wrench April 17, 2020 9:51 PM  

I expect the pardon to come post-election regardless of the outcome.

Blogger liberranter April 17, 2020 10:33 PM  

I'm praying that God gives this judge a heart attack.

None of these (((judges))) are going to die of natural causes or old age.

Blogger Ingemar April 17, 2020 11:09 PM  

Sometimes I just wish John Durham would drop in and slaughter all the bad guys.

Blogger John Rockwell April 17, 2020 11:09 PM  

@Doktor Jeep

In the Lawless land. One becomes the Law after conquering it as a Warlord.

Ultimate Chad move.

Blogger Gen. Kong April 17, 2020 11:17 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:

Emergency Appeal next...This judge should be sharing a prison cell with some of her buddies...

I was thinking something more along the lines of a nice vacation in Jeff Epstein's old cell, complete with a nice red robe with an extra long red sash. If that's not good enough maybe a trip to the pen at the Happy Hollow Hog Farm - where porky always eats best.

Blogger Jack Amok April 18, 2020 2:47 AM  

None of these (((judges))) are going to die of natural causes or old age.

Only because we have a far too parochial definition of natural causes.

Blogger Tanjil Bren April 18, 2020 3:01 AM  

It's interesting.
These 'activist' (read: politically motivated) judges appear to not have realised just how vulnerable they are.
Here in Aus', we had a fabulous experiment some thirty odd years ago now involving how little most people grasp the (what I call) 'theater of the court' and how essential it is.
I'm talking about the way the court is set out, the way the various actors are dressed (including the judge and senior barristers etc, wigs, gowns and all), all of which is intended to not only convey the earnestness of the situation, but the impersonal nature of the proceedings.
(Think Wizard of Oz, no pun intended, and the carny behind the curtain.)
Amusingly, some morons decided that our Family Court should disrobe, and everyone sat around a big table, smiling at each other while His or Her Honor sat in judgement on a family (and helped to tear it apart).
Well, quelle surprise for the the morons (but no one else) when not soon after certain Family Court judges (and solely them) started getting murdered (bombs under houses and cars were a favorite).
The morons eventually worked out why their 'clients' were suddenly taking everything so personally, but it took them a while (cos' morons).
The moral is, if you are in a position to sit in judgement of others, never, *ever* even so much as *appear* to be invested in the outcome.
The consequences, if you do, can be severe.

Blogger Tanjil Bren April 18, 2020 3:14 AM  

"This is akin to the Pell case."

We (well, certainly I) don't fully understand their system, Weka.
It has strong echoes of English criminal and common law, of course, but the Americans went their own way.
The jurist was a fool coming out like she did (clearly having lied during selection), and the judge clearly doesn't much care about how she is perceived (unlike ours, who tend to dislike being seen to be partisan fools and will generally back away from/wash their hands of a confrontation that tests same).
'Bringing the Court into contempt' springs to mind.
Always amusing when it's a judge who's doing it.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 18, 2020 6:27 AM  

I wonder if the judge was mentioned in one of Stone's "Worst Dressed" columns?

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 18, 2020 6:51 AM  

@39 It is odd how judges here can remain so anonymous until they're not. OTOH, there IS a handgun (called "The Judge") first built for a judge who was often threatened for his harsh sentences. It shoots Colt .45s and .410 shotgun shells. Pretty much a legal sawed off shotgun. It's a helluva weapon.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 18, 2020 6:56 AM  

@40 Lawyers are not usually allowed on juries here. The judge knew the juror was a lawyer and what her political leanings were. But since the court was in Washington, DC, they are all comfortable wearing their politics on their sleeves. IIRC Stone's lawyer tried to have the juror struck, but was overruled. Also highly unusual. Yeah, he was railroaded.

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2020 8:02 AM  

@9 "This is also probably why you'll never see Clinton or any of the deep state brought to trial. Barr knows that the DC circuit would never allow any of them to see the inside of a jail. Also, since DC is full of Dems you'll never get a jury to convict any prominent Dem."

Hence the military tribunal ... plan? Please please let it be a plan! Hence the EOs Trump has signed; hence now-Justice Kavanaugh being asked specific questions about bringing civilians before a military tribunal in his congressional "interview" once nominated and on and on. Hence the massive installing of non-SJW judges; and the threat to shut Congress so TGE can fill all the positions they've been denying him.

This is why the 'rehab and upgrade' of -- and two actual prison barges sent to GITMO. Yeah, it's taking forEVER to clean up enough space to actually do the work.... but the clean-up is both necessary, and a cause for hope

A demoralizing problem with a massively systemic problem/corruption is that fixing all the bits-and-bobs of the system looks like nothing is being done for a looooooong time. But until all the bits-and-bobs are done, there's no way to get the system to work.

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2020 8:15 AM  

@13 "For all the loyalty Stone has shown, does he not deserve some in return?"

For all it looks like Prez Trump has left the honorable Gen Flynn and the cheeky Stone out to dry... is it not equally or more likely that they are 'in on it'? IF TGE had pardoned Flynn and Stone when it began, we would have no idea whatsoever of how deep, pervasive, and horrifying the corruption is! We could not have IMAGINED a swat attack with helicopters and canal boats, drawn weapons, and searching an old deaf lady in her nightgown! We would never have expected that the Feebs/DoJ would intentionally and maliciously set out to entrap an honorable general and destroy him.

I am hoping that this is playacting to expose and destroy our enemies... Even hardcore lefties got knocked over by Epstein's murder! No one can look honestly (Ay, there's the rub!) at (((Berman))) and that jury forewoman making a complete travesty of a trial.

NONE of these astonishingly corrupt people and acts would be seen without 'hanging out' Flynn and Stone. I am hoping when it's all over, the wrongful arrests, trials, destruction of these men result in a YUUUUUUGE jury payout to both for their lost... everything!

Prez Trump stepped in to protect Eddie Gallagher -- the Navy SEAL -- BEFORE they could ruin him totally, but AFTER the corruption of the Navy brass and 'civilian oversight personnel' were shown to be corrupt as hell.

In war, people get injured. Some people CHOOSE to charge a machine-gun nest and take the damage. We are at war.

Blogger Avalanche April 18, 2020 8:18 AM  

@22 "It's not a coincidence that one of the most well known Hebrew words is chutzpah."

And the jews themselves define chutzpah as: "having killed your parents, you then throw yourself on the "mercy of the court" as an orphan!

Blogger Silly but True April 18, 2020 11:11 AM  

The Varsity Blues college admissions scandal speaks to similar egregious government FBI and prosecutorial misconduct that is likely to get it all tossed because the FBI's star witness -- the guy that masterminded it all -- was browbeat by FBI into lying about everything:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/judge-calls-alleged-investigator-misconduct-in-lori-loughlin-case-serious-and-disturbing/ar-BB12O3hy?OCID=IE11FREDHP

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 18, 2020 1:05 PM  

See James Edwards lawsuit. See Cantwell in prison for shit-talking, even being denied mail service! See the prosecution of the Charlottesville guys even allowing co-workers of the so-called victim on the jury! Or the Proud Boys guys in NYC...

These guys are all clowns, but the obvious kangaroo courts that railroaded them are still corrupt nonetheless.

We live under anarcho-tyranny. None of the Democrats have been prosecuted while Stone is given a lengthy prison sentence.

Blogger Johnny April 18, 2020 2:46 PM  

@24

"Hitler was never yielding power to the Church and he never was trying to restore Monarchical aristocratic power in Germany. Yes, Hitler was striving for the sovereignty of Germany but not in a true Right wing God, King, Country, ideal."

If you have to be a Monarchist to be Right Wing then almost no one is Right Wing.

I don't know why the few Monarchists around choose that position. The Monarchs of Europe have been some of the most proactive Globalists out there.

Never forget that the Monarchists tried to kill Hitler in Operation Valkyrie. The King of Romania had Codreanu killed. The King of Spain appointed by Franco undid Franco's government and returned Spain to the Globalist plantation.

Blogger Johnny April 18, 2020 3:10 PM  

@32

North Korea's name is the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Is North Korea Democratic and for its People?

There are many definitions of Socialism. When people today say Socialism they usually mean Marxian Socialism - which Hitler clarified was different from National Socialism. According to Hitler, the "Socialism" in National Socialism didn't mean "The Proletariat owning the means of production" as it does in Marxian Socialism. Rather it means that a nation united and put aside class conflict and individualism. So basically Hitler just made up his own idiosyncratic definition for the word Socialism.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 18, 2020 3:44 PM  

Avalanche wrote:For all it looks like Prez Trump has left the honorable Gen Flynn and the cheeky Stone out to dry... is it not equally or more likely that they are 'in on it'? IF TGE had pardoned Flynn and Stone when it began, we would have no idea whatsoever of how deep, pervasive, and horrifying the corruption is! We could not have IMAGINED a swat attack with helicopters and canal boats, drawn weapons, and searching an old deaf lady in her nightgown! We would never have expected that the Feebs/DoJ would intentionally and maliciously set out to entrap an honorable general and destroy him.

The enemy uses the courts as a political weapon while the good guys are persecuted by those very same courts. People need to be hung for this crap.

Whatever Trump may or may not be thinking, he has surrounded himself by cucks and traitors.

This has been the source of the frustration we feel at Trump. He has surrounded himself by cucks and GOPe swamp creatures from the day he won the election. He hired BOLTON!

This is why he can't get shit done. He has surrounded himself with people opposed to his platform. He may as well have hired Democrats. Trump was leading the chanting of "build the wall," but has been cheerleader in charge of 'we need more immigration' and "drain the swamp," but immediately hired the swamp.

Even if Trump completely pardons Stone, his life has been destroyed and he has been bankrupted.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2020 3:59 PM  

Johnny wrote:There are many definitions of Socialism.
"Hitler wasn't a Marxist therefore Hitler wasn't a Socialist, therefore Hitler was Rightist."
You're really gonna go with that? 'Cause that's stupid. I realize that's how it's taught by the Marxists that run the colleges and write the textbooks, but it has nothing to do with reality.
Hitler took the Marxian critique and substituted "German" for "Proletariat" and "Jew" for "Capital". Literally, that's the entirety of the difference. From the early 20th century German point of view that's a distinction without a difference.
Hitler was a Marxist, who wanted to liberate the (German) workers from the domination of the (Jewish) Capitalists.
Where are the Rightist values of God, King and the organic rights of the peasants under Hitler?
Don't be a simpleton. This stuff is easy, but you have to stop parroting lies from the Left before you can think clearly about it.

Blogger Up from the pond April 18, 2020 5:26 PM  

>"We may be fortunate to have a war on our soil looming on the horizon, the process then has the potential to be sped up considerably."

>"Rope, lying bitch 'judge,' lamppost. Some assembly required."

>"The mask is now completely off, folks. Isn't it time to declare war?"

>"It really is time for deeper and darker measures. The tree of liberty is thirsty."

>"Remember: to be a law abiding citizen in a lawless land is a high form of cuckoldry."

>"None of these (((judges))) are going to die of natural causes or old age."

>"Sometimes I just wish John Durham would drop in and slaughter all the bad guys."

>"These 'activist' (read: politically motivated) judges appear to not have realised just how vulnerable they are.[...] certain Family Court judges (and solely them) started getting murdered (bombs under houses and cars were a favorite)."

>"It is odd how judges here can remain so anonymous until they're not. OTOH, there IS a handgun (called 'The Judge') first built for a judge who was often threatened for his harsh sentences. It shoots Colt .45s and .410 shotgun shells. Pretty much a legal sawed off shotgun. It's a helluva weapon."

Hey, cool it with the fedposting, guys.

Blogger Johnny April 18, 2020 7:26 PM  

@52

>You're really gonna go with that? 'Cause that's stupid. I realize that's how it's taught by the Marxists that run the colleges and write the textbooks, but it has nothing to do with reality.

What reality? A reality in which everyone from the Founding Fathers, Pat Buchanan, Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, and Jordan Peterson are now considered Leftists because they're not Monarchists?

It's like when Jordan Peterson accuses SJW's, Classic Marxists, Vox Day, and Richard Spencer of all being "Collectivists" based on a vague set of criteria. You can't just say 99% of people are Leftists or Collectivists and expect anyone to take that term seriously.

>Hitler took the Marxian critique and substituted "German" for "Proletariat" and "Jew" for "Capital". Literally, that's the entirety of the difference. From the early 20th century German point of view that's a distinction without a difference.

That's like saying all Muslims did is take Christianity and add Muhammad. There's A LOT more detail you'd be leaving out and even if the difference was merely adding Muhammad that would radically change things. Changing Marxism from "German" vs "Jew" would be a radical change by itself just as adding Muhammad to Christianity. But that's not even true considering the fact that Muslims did more than add Muhammad to Christianity and Hitler did much more than simply make Marxism into German vs. Jew.

1. Marxism views class struggle between the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie as the true struggle. Everything else is a false consciousness. NatSoc views things as a multipolar struggle among the different races with Jews just being the biggest threat.

2. Marx wanted class abolished. Hitler saw classes as being inevitable.

3. Marx wanted the Proletariat to seize all of the means of production (Socialism) then to abolish classes (Communism). Different branches of Marxism want this done via the government or via unions. Hitler was fine with having a robust private sector and even privatized so many Jewish businesses that the term "privatization" was coined to describe his policies. He even recruited wealthy "Bourgeoisie" like the Junckers.

4. Marxism is Internationalist. National Socialism is Nationalist or at the very most Imperialist.

5. When the chips were down Monarchs tended to switch support to the Communists like in Italy, Romania, and Finland. The Dannish, British, and Norwegian Monarchs backed the USSR over Germany. It's all "God, King, and Country" until the going gets tough and they show their true colors and flip to back the Communists.

6. Fascists and National Socialists tend to bloc up with other Nationalists rather than bloc up with Marxists. They supported Trump in 2016 when they believed there was an alternative to Progressivism and Cuckservatism.

>Where are the Rightist values of God, King and the organic rights of the peasants under Hitler?

Where were they under the Founding Fathers disestablished state churches, abolished the Monarchy, and attacked farmers at gunpoint during the Whiskey Rebellion? Are the Founding Fathers Leftists?

>Don't be a simpleton. This stuff is easy, but you have to stop parroting lies from the Left before you can think clearly about it.

Just because some Leftists say it doesn't mean it's wrong. A broken clock is right twice a day. I'm not going to dismiss your ideas as cuckservative just because you share them with Jonah Goldberg and Dinesh D'souza.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 18, 2020 10:18 PM  

"Fascists and National Socialists tend to bloc up with other Nationalists rather than bloc up with Marxists. They supported Trump in 2016"

Even with all the other irrelevant crap I waded through, Johnny, you lost me right here, 'cause no such thing happened.

I have to agree with Snidely, though I might object to the term king. There does have to be a strong male leader, possibly for life.

"Hitler was fine with having a robust private sector and even privatized so many Jewish businesses that the term "privatization" was coined to describe his policies."

Here's your linchpin lie or naivety. Privatization of production means very little when prices are centrally fixed, which is exactly what Hitler did. Socialist. End of story.

Blogger Up from the pond April 18, 2020 10:44 PM  

>"Are the Founding Fathers Leftists?"

Yes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2020 12:36 AM  

Johnny wrote:A reality in which everyone from the Founding Fathers, Pat Buchanan, Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, and Jordan Peterson are now considered Leftists because they're not Monarchists?
All of them besides Buchanan are.
Johnny wrote:It's like when Jordan Peterson accuses SJW's, Classic Marxists, Vox Day, and Richard Spencer of all being "Collectivists" based on a vague set of criteria. You can't just say 99% of people are Leftists or Collectivists and expect anyone to take that term seriously.
You should try reading comprehension. It helps with this osort of thing. The criteria are not vague, you just want to put the Narrative's all time bad guy on the Right. That's all.
Johnny wrote:Hitler was fine with having a robust private sector and even privatized so many Jewish businesses that the term "privatization" was coined to describe his policies.
Provided of course, that the governement set and approved designs, set production levels, hiring, pay, prices and eliminates competition. Who owns the assets is not as important as who controls them.
Johnny wrote:4. Marxism is Internationalist. National Socialism is Nationalist or at the very most Imperialist.
Was Stalin an internationalist or a nationalist?
Johnny wrote:6. Fascists and National Socialists tend to bloc up with other Nationalists rather than bloc up with Marxists.
This is because Marxists and Fascists are COMPETITORS.
Johnny wrote:Where were they under the Founding Fathers disestablished state churches, abolished the Monarchy, and attacked farmers at gunpoint during the Whiskey Rebellion? Are the Founding Fathers Leftists?
Yes. They would have told you so at the time, had the word existed.
Johnny wrote:I'm not going to dismiss your ideas as cuckservative just because you share them with Jonah Goldberg and Dinesh D'souza.
I AM going to dismiss your ideas, because you're a moron.

Blogger Tanjil Bren April 19, 2020 4:30 AM  

"You're really gonna go with that?"
They always do.
And it's spectacularly stupid.

Blogger Tanjil Bren April 19, 2020 4:39 AM  

OMG, is this moron seriously trying to argue that Hitler's manipulation of private capital was anything other than a Marxist manifestation?
Hitler was the most effective student of Marx (at the time) that there was (IMHO).
He fully understood its productive capacity and yoked it accordingly.
The difference at the time was that he sought to harness it, just as Marx described, not confiscate and destroy it.

Blogger Tars Tarkas April 19, 2020 10:10 AM  

Most leftists describe Stalin as not just right, but far right. They say he was a right wing dictator who used the language of the left to impose a far right dictatorship on the people. They say the same shit about Mao, Pol pot, Hitler etc

The Founding Fathers were leftists of their day. But the left is not static and is constantly drifting leftwards and 250 years have passed since the revolution.

The obsession with Hitler is retarded. He was a complete failure who ran Germany into the dirt and led them to utter ruin and destruction and the greatest suffering imaginable and he did it all in 12 years. If not for all the Jewish influence in America and especially of media, the average American would know about as much as they do about Mussolini or Franco, which is almost nothing. What they do know is a cartoon Satan, the bad guy everyone should hate. He is the measure of all things evil.
All previous efforts to rehabilitate Hitler have failed, and not for lack of trying. The people who were closest to that time, with the most realistic view of Hitler, utterly rejected people like George Lincoln Rockwell and his Nazi movement. Hitler and the Nazis have been dead for 75 years, let them lay in peace.

Blogger Nostromo April 19, 2020 12:05 PM  

You can't be applauded for your virtue if you don't signal it. She's getting her 15 minutes, and loving every second of it. Think Melissa Milano, with robes.

Blogger Johnny April 20, 2020 6:47 PM  

@57
@60

>You should try reading comprehension. It helps with this osort of thing. The criteria are not vague, you just want to put the Narrative's all time bad guy on the Right. That's all.
>He is the measure of all things evil.
>All previous efforts to rehabilitate Hitler have failed, and not for lack of trying. The people who were closest to that time, with the most realistic view of Hitler, utterly rejected people like George Lincoln Rockwell and his Nazi movement. Hitler and the Nazis have been dead for 75 years, let them lay in peace.

I don't want Hitler rehabilitated. I just don't want to go down the DR3 Dinesh D'Souza rabbithole. Changing optics is understandable. But purity spiraling so hard you call the Founding Fathers Leftists is doomed to failure. If you think Hitler did bad when fighting half the world then that's nothing compared to how awful the Monarchists are. People don't support economic Libertarianism and calling everything that sounds government-y "Marxist" despite decades of wealthy Libertarians shilling it with zero censorship.

People want National Socialism that just isn't called that and doesn't use the swastika. They don't want National Paleolibertarianism with Monarchist characteristics.

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