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Sunday, April 26, 2020

Mailvox: yes, they will go down

The big publishers were already in trouble before the corona-chan crisis:
Back when the Greek bail-out was taking place, you wrote about the eventual financial collapse. At the end, you said it will probably be something out of left field, probably China that brings down the house of cards. This was around 2010-11.

The ripple effects of Corona-chan will take on a life of its own. I was reading that AMC Theaters announced they are halting payments on leased property. Many businesses run on a thin margin, which is now gone. There just is not going to be enough money for the Treasury to print to save everything. At some point, the Fed is going to be helpless at trillions of Monopoly money simply disappears.

AMC gone- gone, Barnes & Noble- gone, Sun Your Buns- gone. Las Vegas-gone. Friday's and Applebee's- gone.

Will any of the big publishers go down?

One local hospital is laying workers off, another gave a 20% pay cut to at least nurses. Both are part of large statewide systems. Too big to fail? We could have absorbed 100,000, even 200,000 deaths without flinching much. The system could not survive an economic shutdown.

With the world economy in recession, Will Xi last? Could an imploding China decide to roll the dice with military action?

The Chi-coms shutdown Wu-han but allowed travel to the West. Did they figure out this was an attack? If from the Deep State, why? I thought the Deep State was all for sending manufacturing to China and gutting the U.S. Or a faction within the Deep State fighting with another faction within the Deep State?
Everyone needs to stop conflating the Deep State with a single country or government. There is no "China" or "US government" that can be considered to be wholly Deep State, which consists of individuals and organizations that can be of any nominal nationality.

But in answer to the questions:

Yes, the Big Five will become a Big Three before long. Eventually, a Big Two plus Amazon, which should be considered a publisher at this point.

Yes, Xi will last. Lee Kuan Yew considered him to be the most astute politician of the 21st century. He appears to have already taken the most important step related to China inheriting the mantle of global leader from the USA, which was preventing the Deep State from controlling the Chinese financial and technology sectors.

If my reading between the lines of the mainstream media is correct, the Deep State appears to be at war with both China and Russia, as well as with the Trump administration. It has factions within those countries, but unlike in the USA, they have not recently been the ruling factions.

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31 Comments:

Blogger ZhukovG April 26, 2020 9:15 PM  

Which is why I believe that the GE, Putin and Xi are at least, 'allies of convenience'. Public rhetoric is for public consumption and frequently, reality is very different.

Blogger Bobiojimbo April 26, 2020 9:26 PM  

All of these closures and all I can see are opportunities. I'm in no position to take advantage of them, but if you, the readers, are, I hope you do.

Go get them boys!

Blogger Crew April 26, 2020 9:48 PM  

When they took down the Soviet Union it seems to have allowed Russians to take back their country from the Deep State.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 26, 2020 10:02 PM  

The "deep state" is called that because it's deeply embedded in many governments as well as other powerful organizations like the major churches and large corporations. One analogy I heard said that the CIA is like the central nervous system of it, passing impulses between the body's organs without them necessarily all knowing what the others are doing or why.

That's why I don't care for the framing I've seen lately that says Trump is heading up one Deep State faction (the "good" one) against another (the "bad" one). While Trump came in with his own intelligence service and some valuable people in important places here and there, his organization had (and has) nothing like the depth and reach of the DS and the network of blackmail and favors that ties it all together.

Blogger Canadian Warlord April 26, 2020 10:10 PM  

"Factions within those countries" - Shocking example of the last decade: Rafsanjani running for president of Iran. The top Iran-Contra contact - on the Iran side.

Blogger Newscaper312 April 26, 2020 10:28 PM  

re this "The Chi-coms shutdown Wu-han but allowed travel to the West. Did they figure out this was an attack?"

It's not that hard: simplest (admittedly not necessarily correct) is just "We screwed up and hurt ourselves -- but if we make sure others take a hit too, we don't have to lose relative standing and might even gain.

Blogger map April 26, 2020 11:39 PM  

The Deep State is a global entity. They cross the borders of every country. They are not merely the intelligence agencies or the bureaucracies. They are a parallel society.

My 2 cents is that the deep state was working on moving its operation to China starting roughly 35 years ago. It began with the last immigration amnesty, going through the free trade/NAFTA period, through the wars in Serbia, to 9/11, to Iraq and Afghanistan, through the engineered racism of the Obama years. US Government policy was basically a giant bust-out operation where America was converted to liquid assets so that Deep State's operation could be moved to China.

The last step was Hillary Clinton, whose job was to oversea a limited nuclear war with Russia to destroy both Russia's and America's ability to project power, thus leaving China and its deep-state masters as rulers of the world.

What changed the policy was some element of deep state discovering that their Chinese deep-state partners were going to have them liquidated once the plan went through. This is why there was a sudden reversal in pushing Hillary...and probably why Trump became a viable candidate. Deep State needed the nationalism of Trumpism to reverse course and strengthen their base in the United States to disengage from Chinese influence and weaken Chinese dependence.

The thing is, all of American deep state was not on-board with this reversal toward China, either not believing it or actively conspiring to triangulate against their other partners or simply enjoying the benefits of the status quo, so they resisted with the potemkin village tools they had left once Cabal's power became split...the executive agencies, half of congress, and the judiciary.

Q may very well be the military arm of the Deep State that first discovered the betrayal, since they are more likely to be operating at the edges of civilizations, where one national boundary touches another, thus sniffing out far earlier what was going on. Given DoD accounting, the Q group probably has $20 trillion dollars at its disposal to help Trump, along with the technical and operational know-how.

I don't know...just speculating.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz April 26, 2020 11:58 PM  

IMO the GE fought and won the second Anerican Civil War. Now we live in a mopping action. The War will be finished by November 2020 the latest.

Blogger Paradise Lost April 27, 2020 1:57 AM  

Does North Korea figure into this equation? Kim Jung-un has apparently left the building. Coincidence?

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 27, 2020 4:44 AM  

@7 map--interesting.

I have a theory that George HW Bush has been the Hidden Hand (along with Kissinger) in the US since before he left office (or before Reagan left office), and that his death (likely by execution) was a huge blow to that faction of the Deep State.

The Bushes and Clintons always seemed too chummy to be actual adversaries, and they are even more so now. Obama, I think was a last minute substitute. I think it was GHWB's decision to replace HRC, and that it would be her turn after Jeb did the McCain & Romney patented October loss after having a huge lead.

Trump was the wild card they couldn't control(or kill), along with a lot of the high ranking generals and admirals that were not going to let Hillary start WW3 with Russia and Iran at the same time.

We got very lucky and/or there was Divine Intervention in 2016.

The thought that Poppy Bush was an Uber-President for 30+ years is terrifying, but not all that implausible, especially given what we know now.

Blogger McChuck April 27, 2020 5:07 AM  

The GNP is on the order of two trillion per month. The Fed.Gov has already printed and spent more than that - but they pour most of the money into each other's pockets. The remainder trickles down slowly to us peons, with each piece of the bureaucracy taking its slice along the way, delaying any assistance until it no longer does much good.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 27, 2020 5:13 AM  

Something else just occurred to me. If George HW Bush was the head of the cabal for the Americas, is Bill Gates looking to fill the vacuum? He seems to be getting more and more exposure of late, and I don't believe in coincidences.

Blogger Lazarus April 27, 2020 6:21 AM  

Interesting scholarly speculations

The Origins of the Deep State in North America

Suddenly, for the first time since the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963, there was no longer one America but rather two opposing forces within America itself, and the question was raised “which is the real America and what is it that Trump was re-activating?”

Here was a political leader who wasn’t from the technocratic establishment, and who campaigned to work with Russia and China, end regime change wars, reverse the nation-killing effects of NAFTA, reviving the JFK-era space mission and even discussed restoring Glass Steagall.

A clue to what he chose to represent can be witnessed in his defense of the “American System” when he said “this is the system our Founders wanted. Our greatest American leaders — including George Washington, Hamilton, Jackson, Lincoln — they all agreed that for America to be a strong nation it must also be a great manufacturing nation.”

Soon, it became apparent that this Deep State structure mobilized to stop the re-emergence of the American System was not even American as many had supposed, but rather of a purely British Imperial pedigree and was even caught working against British nationalists such as Jeremy Corbyn. It finally came to light that the British Empire had never gone away after WWII, but had evoked a powerful sleight of hand after FDR’s untimely death in 1945.

Blogger Brett baker April 27, 2020 6:21 AM  

Sounds reasonable, but maybe more like the Rockefeller family. A public spokesman, but not quite as important as the public thinks.

Blogger Grooveware April 27, 2020 6:26 AM  

The Chinese and Russians have the Prometheans Globalists what ever you want to call them but unlike America it's harder for them to subvert these countries.It will be interesting which country they choose after there finished with America, maybe some country in South America or Cuba.

Blogger Mathias April 27, 2020 6:33 AM  

map -

Still around trying to convince us Q and Trump are bad guys? The possibility is very remote, and most around here are not easily persuaded. Put up some actual evidence for this, or prepare yourself for mockery. I will also note that half of what you are spouting, you learned here. The other half is just bad storytelling.

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2020 6:49 AM  

No Dan in Georgia, Bill Gates is literally a rocking autistic. No doubt someone wants to use him though.

Blogger Stilicho April 27, 2020 7:03 AM  

China will dominate asia. China will have strong influence in some european countries. China will hurt itself tryng to conquer Africa. South America will be a mixed bag that will muddle on as always.

We will see the concept of "regional superpower" emerge. Russia, ChinaN and US. Will fill this role with other nations aspiring to such status. The key characteristic will be that such regional superpowers will be effectively unbeatable in their respective, but limited spheres, while also wielding global influence. Iran, turkey, India, etc. will aspire to such power but will end up being regional powers allied with and used by one or more of the big three. Those are my guesses in broad form.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 27, 2020 8:29 AM  

Bernard Korzeniewicz wrote:MO the GE fought and won the second Anerican Civil War.
Things really are looking good for TGE and our side, but it's a little early to call it victory.
Dan in Georgia wrote:I have a theory that George HW Bush has been the Hidden Hand (along with Kissinger) in the US since before he left office (or before Reagan left office), and that his death (likely by execution) was a huge blow to that faction of the Deep State.
The thing that bothers me about the execution theories is this: if Trump's faction can execute the opposition's top generals like McStain and Poppy Bush, why haven't they executed a great many more? If we have to wait patiently while TGE secretly rolls up the Deep State beginning with the foot soldiers, why those public, premature strikes at the head?

If those two were really executed, why not hundreds more of the usual suspects? Why were those two uniquely vulnerable? Or were they merely expendable pawns in the political class? Were they executed because they were totally unimportant and unprotected by the Deep State machine?

Blogger J Van Stry April 27, 2020 11:31 AM  

I think people in American are FINALLY starting to realize that the whole 'shelter in place' is not about science and not about COVID, that it's about control and they all fell for it.
Sadly, it's way too late.
COVID is over here, yet people are still being 'told' to stay home. I wonder just how bad a famine we'll be facing come the winter.

Blogger Silly but True April 27, 2020 12:17 PM  

This leads right into all of Barack Obama's craziness: the history of his mom, Stanley Dunham, and Barack's work in 1983 with CIA-front Business International Corporation.

GHW Bush probably maintained control of the world for 40 years, 1976-2016.

Blogger Akulkis April 27, 2020 12:31 PM  

"AMC gone- gone, Barnes & Noble- gone, Sun Your Buns- gone. Las Vegas-gone. Friday's and Applebee's- gone."

In the long run, it makes no difference. The buildings and the equipment will continue to exist.

1) Other people will come along and lease these same structures. The building owners will have to lower their lease rates, but other than that, the building will refill again.

2) Other people (sometimes the same as in (1) above) will buy the equipment.

Most likely, various theaters will sell the equipment at deep discount prices, and the new equipment owners will sign new leases at lower rates.

As theaters will have limited capacities due to physical distance requirements, Hollywood is going to have to reduce their "run through the projector" cut as well as the "butt in the seat" cut, because wages will be down for a while as the economy reorganizes.

Blogger crescent wrench April 27, 2020 12:45 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:
The thing that bothers me about the execution theories is this: if Trump's faction can execute the opposition's top generals like McStain and Poppy Bush, why haven't they executed a great many more? If we have to wait patiently while TGE secretly rolls up the Deep State beginning with the foot soldiers, why those public, premature strikes at the head?

If those two were really executed, why not hundreds more of the usual suspects? Why were those two uniquely vulnerable? Or were they merely expendable pawns in the political class? Were they executed because they were totally unimportant and unprotected by the Deep State machine?


The execution theory implies Trump has much more power that he is not using to protect his allies, and that doesn't wash with his personality.

It's clear his position is far more tenuous than that given the open two-tiered justice system erected by holdovers who are nominally serving at his pleasure but which he clearly cannot clean out for some reason.

Blogger map April 27, 2020 1:13 PM  

Mathias wrote:map -

Still around trying to convince us Q and Trump are bad guys? The possibility is very remote, and most around here are not easily persuaded. Put up some actual evidence for this, or prepare yourself for mockery. I will also note that half of what you are spouting, you learned here. The other half is just bad storytelling.


I did learn a lot here and also from other sources. I know I am derivative. And, no, I don't think Trump and Q are bad guys. I think they are both great.

I'm just marveling at how adept Trump has been at defeating so many powerful organs of the US government...and being able to do that with so many subversives directly in his own administration. Look at all the people that have challenged him...and have been utterly disappeared from public sight: Mueller, Mathis, Tillerson, Kelly, Megan Kelly, Michael Cohen, Scaramucci, Paul Ryan, Bushes, McCain, and many others.

Everything about Trump's survival indicates that this is a civil war inside the deep state. Either an element of deep state has gone rogue and positioned itself as Trump's ally or Trump has thoroughly infiltrated deep state with his own people and is carrying that war from within. It is awesome to behold.

Heck, even if Trump is engineering his own deep state, his nationalist spin is still far better than this globalist DIET system we have now.

Blogger JG April 27, 2020 2:23 PM  

In 2008, after the housing crash, my wife and I bought some rental houses with cash, at the same time our friends were doing the same with loans. It'll be interesting to see how their loans work out for them over the next year or two.

Cash remains king.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 27, 2020 2:38 PM  

crescent wrench wrote:It's clear his position is far more tenuous than that given the open two-tiered justice system erected by holdovers who are nominally serving at his pleasure but which he clearly cannot clean out for some reason.
If his hold on power is tenuous, Trump has masterfully navigated through the Deep State traps, and it does look a lot like victory already.

One theory under which Trump has great power, yet wouldn't use it much, is the theory that he is leading a pseudo-nationalist Deep State faction. He might execute some unrepentant globalist Deep Staters, but wouldn't be in any hurry to execute those who might repent later or might be useful later.

Blogger crescent wrench April 27, 2020 4:18 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:

If his hold on power is tenuous, Trump has masterfully navigated through the Deep State traps, and it does look a lot like victory already.


On that there's no doubt, I'd expect nothing less from a survivor of the NYC "shark tank"

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 27, 2020 6:17 PM  

Silly but True wrote:GHW Bush probably maintained control of the world for 40 years, 1976-2016.

Agree except for 1981-85/6. Bush was likely behind the March 1981 assassination attempt on Reagan 6 weeks after he took office. Since Reagan survived, Bush lost a lot of influence until into the second term, probably because Reagan's team was convinced Bush was behind it. Bush's cabal infiltrated the Reagan Admin huge in the second term, so he effectively took over at that point. By 1992 he was firmly in charge and didn't need to be president anymore, so he took a dive and let Clinton win. Everyone (Clinton, W, Obama) since was being run by Bush Sr. Don't know who executed Bush, but it could have been retribution for losing the election for Hillary, or by the good guys for treason. We may never find out.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 27, 2020 6:27 PM  

SciVo wrote:No Dan in Georgia, Bill Gates is literally a rocking autistic. No doubt someone wants to use him though.

Yes, but Gates' dad was president of Planned Parenthood and there are pictures of him with Rockefeller, Soros, Rothschild, Ted Turner and others. Gates Jr has been Deep State the whole time.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 27, 2020 8:21 PM  

In late 2017, MegaAnon (who disappeared in early 2018) claimed Bush Sr. was going to be allowed to die of "natural causes" so that he wouldn't be alive when the truth came out about his involvement in JFK's assassination, along with other matters. So suicide, not execution. It remains to be seen whether the rest of that will happen, and Bush was old enough that his death wasn't unexpected, but it was still interesting.

Blogger The Other Donald April 30, 2020 5:35 PM  

"Long-time Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu thought he had it made. Yet in the end, so oppressive was his regime that all it took to topple him was a few hostile catcalls rising from a crowd he himself had summoned to celebrate his rule. Xi Jinping, be warned." Martin Van Creveld

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