Tuesday, April 14, 2020

No need for school

Conventional classroom education is expensive, unhealthy, and unethical:
The recent coronavirus pandemic has forced students to take to virtual online classrooms to complete their coursework. Even though it may take time for students to adjust to this new format, their education might not suffer, especially if they are in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) fields.

A new study led by Cornell University researchers shows that STEM students learn just as much in online classrooms as they do in traditional in-person classes. Online courses might be less satisfying than in-person classes, but many more students can access them and they are much cheaper to facilitate.

STEM students in Russia participated in this study in the 2017-18 academic year. Researchers divided 325 students into one of three classroom styles for two of their courses: a fully online class through a program called OpenEdu; an in-person course as their local university or a blended course with online course lectures; and in-person discussion sessions.

Results of the study show that students in all three groups scored pretty similarly on their final exams. Students in the online course scored 7.2% higher on their regular coursework, but this is probably because they were allowed to make up to three attempts on their weekly assignments, allowing them to boost their scores.

The analyses show that there is one drawback to the online classroom style: students in the online group were less-satisfied with their class experience than students in the in-person or blended learning groups.
There really isn't any reason to maintain the conventional school system anymore, except for the global elite's interest in imposing its centralized propaganda.

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Blogger MATT April 14, 2020 3:43 PM  

How will 19 yr olds contract gonorrhea and bacterial meningitis if they don't attend a physical university?

Hopefully this kills the art schools.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 14, 2020 3:44 PM  

Public Schools are a jobs program for the 'community'. That's why poor teachers can't be fired.

Blogger glueballs April 14, 2020 3:49 PM  

Rigorous anatomy, biology, chemistry and physics labs could be conducted at the local community colleges with existing equipment. Science is the only academic area I can see opponents leveraging against home schooling. The other areas can be learned in situ, and testing administered remotely. Ah, but what about de vimmyn and their self-perceived needs ….

Blogger Uncle Maffoo April 14, 2020 3:50 PM  

Someone once said that "public school is a virtual prison for children, and the only place many people experience physical violence in their lives."

Blogger Mathias April 14, 2020 3:51 PM  

Is it really worth it to expose the nations children to the hazards of school shooters and diseases brought in by foreigners for a 7% boost in metrics which ultimately don't matter anyway. Also, we might ask who precisely is getting this benefit. I bet it isn't White children.

Another thing that really get me, is that we regularly condemn the child labor practices of the industrial revolution of the 19th century as inhuman, but we have an entire industry dedicated to defending and promoting the child education practices born from the same philosophy, and the same people. Using mostly the same methods.

Blogger pyrrhus April 14, 2020 3:57 PM  

This was a University study...At the lower levels, what is being taught is truly pathetic, and much of it just propaganda.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 14, 2020 3:57 PM  

K12 is a babysitting service for working parents.

Blogger Gettimothy April 14, 2020 3:58 PM  

Students in the online course scored 7.2% higher on their regular coursework, but this is probably because they were allowed to make up to three attempts on their weekly assignments, allowing them to boost their scores.

I hate this mindset. If the goal is to educate the student, then the student "should" be able to repeat as much as needed to master the task at hand.

If the goal is to run students through a system in a specific period of time, then yes, the pipeline makes sense, but the goal is not the pipeline, the goal is to educate the student.

Blogger MichaelJMaier April 14, 2020 3:59 PM  

Except PS will only become more dumbed down and useless as the students are passed on without a thing to show for it. My brother is PS teacher and said only 1/3 of his kids did the work assigned. Not hard to imagine why.

Blogger D Zniger April 14, 2020 4:01 PM  

The Gutmenschen, the german SJWs, don´t even believe that the school is superior to the online/homeschooling. But they insist it is necessary to socialize the children which come from difficult families. So they are willing to sacrifice the education of their children to offset a little bit the influence that Mohammed junior gets at home from Mohammed senior.

Blogger doctrev April 14, 2020 4:02 PM  

Thank you, Corona-chan. President Trump could do far worse than ban all public schooling as an unacceptable public health risk. And next year, the number of students may be much smaller.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 14, 2020 4:03 PM  

Great! Now do public schools.

Blogger qualitycontrol April 14, 2020 4:15 PM  

It would be a big gain if young adults could take university classes without the need of moving to a big city, paying high rent and going into debt. Instead of asking the students 30000+ a year it could probably be done for a tenth of the price.

Blogger Kiwi April 14, 2020 4:43 PM  

Sounds too good to be true. The fastest way to "educate" kids now is to put them online. The system, whatever it is, relies on the people in the background.

Although I don't talk about it much, this is my main area of interest.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 14, 2020 4:53 PM  

Gettimothy wrote:I hate this mindset. If the goal is to educate the student, then the student "should" be able to repeat as much as needed to master the task at hand.

This is what Ivan Illych called the confusion of process and product.
Schooling is not education is not learning is not knowledge is not wisdom.
Insurance is not medical care is not health.
Sex is not love is not family.
Spirituality is not religion is not God.

Inevitably the process first replaces the good it seeks to obtain, then destroys it.

Blogger Jill April 14, 2020 4:53 PM  

Maybe if online education became the default, colleges would stop charging extra for it. That would be a plus.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 14, 2020 5:01 PM  

Heian-kyo Dreams wrote:K12 is a babysitting service for working parents.
For the lower half of the Bell Curve, babysitting is the only value the parents see, other than football and the prom.
Gettimothy wrote:... but the goal is not the pipeline, the goal is to educate the student.
That might be your goal. It is absolutely not the goal of the pipeline operators. Public schooling is not broken at all; it is performing exactly as it was intended to.

Blogger Crew April 14, 2020 5:02 PM  

Is it a coincidence that the God Emperor reigns at a time when so many of our cherished notions are being destroyed?

Blogger rumpole5 April 14, 2020 5:12 PM  

My son discovered at the NOVA DO school some 5 or so years ago, that most of the students attended classes online instead of in person. I thought that it was a little like Asimov's Solaria at the time, but less and less human contact does seem to be the wave of the future as tech makes actual human contact less and less necessary. Does anyone remember the psyc experiments where baby monkeys declined and died if provided with food, but were deprived of contact with their mothers and or fellow baby monkeys? Query: Is regular physical human contact essential to human health. Does that need vary by race or ethnicity?

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 14, 2020 5:30 PM  

I was talking to my boomer sibling on this. We concluded that school work was easy, it was putting up with our peers that made for a living hell. Had I not had to go to school then I would have been spared an entire amusement park of red delights. Like being hunted weekly by a popular kid, or someone trying to score creds with them. This went on until I was 13 and put one of them in the hospital. This was back before kids went to jail for defending themselves. I would have also been spared being beat up in grade school for not wearing the right clothes. Yeah the crime was having parents who won't spend top bucks on crap their kids are going to outgrow in six months. But the lesson in conformity was not forgotten, and why I would sooner sign onto burning this world down before " going long to get along".

Leftists are going to resist replacing schools with online learning, down to tooth and nail. So much of their indoctrination and social engineering relies on this 18th century concept of "going to school". It would take days to list it all. Best of all, it's obvious at this point that they do retaliate with windup toy mass shooting ops whenever globohomo is directly threatened. The pattern is obvious.
Unfortunately if ihe people who need to be rounded up are still plotting around in their smoke filled backrooms by next fall then they will be back in business.

Blogger One Deplorable DT April 14, 2020 5:40 PM  

If we see a significant drop in teen suicide due to coronavirus closing the schools, will we then close them permanently? Or will we ignore the drop and only scream about how valuable our children are when trying to enact gun control?

Can't wait to find out. But wouldn't it be amazing if an 0.2 micron virus managed to do to public schools what Republicans should have done 50 years ago.

Blogger Mr Smith April 14, 2020 6:04 PM  

Dream come true if Disney sells off Star Wars and Vox Day buys it for peanuts. Then hires John C Wright to reboot the entire franchise.

Blogger Diogenes April 14, 2020 6:14 PM  

@13: There are several such universities. I got my undergraduate degree from one, Western Governor's University. It's about three grand every six month semester, and self paced. I'm currently getting my MBA from them too. The school's also fully accredited, so my degrees are as valid as ones from a physical school.

Blogger Sicilian Switchblade April 14, 2020 6:17 PM  

So many positives coming out if this whole scam-demic.

I'll take it.

Homeschooling, up.
Gun and ammo sales, up.
Gardening, up.
Homesteading, up.
Globalism, hindered.

We could go on and on.

Blogger Werekoala April 14, 2020 6:19 PM  

Corona-chan will show that there are MANY things that aren't really needed anymore, to a lot of people.

Blogger Silent Draco April 14, 2020 6:30 PM  

I was on a web conference yesterday which included some bint from Florida State's admin staff, who wouldn't stop emoting about the continued effects (esp. is a second wave comes around) on students from low socioeconomic backgrounds, low social capital formation, yadda, yadda. VERY glad for the mute button, laughed so hard. So, the cost savings by taking money from unqualified students and giving it to students who can do the work? Reducing costs by firing unneeded support staff?

Many of the best-behaved children I've met were either home-schooled or from families where both parents instilled discipline and respect. High energy and playing, but polite and well-spoken (full sentences) with adults. Refreshing.

Blogger glueballs April 14, 2020 6:32 PM  

I wouldn’t sweat failure to turn-in assigned work FWIW. My standard h.s. grades in the most advanced courses offered, and my small class was supremely talented and competitive including the guy who served as Steve Jobs’ right hand technical man (not Woz, GenX) for years after MIT and who appeared rather ordinary, were for the calcs etc. from 10th grade on over several weeks of weekly tests and progress reports: 104/100 (out of 104 with extra credit) F (where is your homework? Blue ink); 104/100 F- (WHERE IS YOUR HOMEWORK?! Black ink); 104/100 no grade (WHERE IS YOUR HOMEWORK!!!! Red ink with call home to father). That last one I had so much of dad’s boot leather coming out my nose after his kicking my arse so hard I sacrificed mid-day Saturday after watching film at the head coach's house. Rinse, lather and repeat. Some miscreants like me rebel against unnecessary, uniform “busy work” hence we make lousy clerks, which is likely why I was never Joe Normie but was a born dissident and naturally on the political "right."

Blogger Rowan April 14, 2020 6:38 PM  

I’m teaching high school via distance learning, as they’re calling it. Posting lessons on Monday, all work due by Friday. It’s literature and composition, required by the state for four years. Kids who refused to engage in class are giving me responses and handing in work at record rates.

As though, freed from the shackles of a schedule and peer pressure, they’ve found a comfort zone and are actually meeting the course requirements without much prodding from me.

Maybe it’s that they are home with parents to chivvy them on, or someone is doing their work for them, but that goes on in school or not.

So many people are still crying that school is a safe space for gay teens or abused kids from violent neglectful homes, and omg we still have to provide free lunch for those eligible for free lunch, and what about disabled kids who get occupational therapy and speech therapy and special services? They’re not being served omg the tragedy. /sarc


This distance learning matter is edging that rug right out from under the NEAs tippy tappers. I can’t wait to see them go down (I am not a member of any teachers unions, it is not required in my state. It angers my colleagues to no end)

Blogger Matt April 14, 2020 6:53 PM  

Too many people are generally worthless. Serfdom is inevitable.

Blogger Crew April 14, 2020 6:53 PM  

Now that kids are no longer in schools and less people are going to malls they are going to have to escalate the the mass shooting game to make an impact.

Maybe they will shoot up hospitals or old peoples' homes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 14, 2020 6:59 PM  

Rowan wrote:Kids who refused to engage in class are giving me responses and handing in work at record rates.

They can knock out all their schoolwork in 2 or 3 hours and get back to things they'd rather be doing, without worrying about what Lindsay said to Rachel about Hunter and Natasha.

Blogger Ransom Smith April 14, 2020 7:03 PM  

As though, freed from the shackles of a schedule and peer pressure, they’ve found a comfort zone and are actually meeting the course requirements without much prodding from me.
Friend of mine that teaches at a private school said the same. A kid that was a solid D student is now a shining star.
A lot of young men just can't handle the long school day. It bores them and forces them into a structure they don't enjoy.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 14, 2020 7:07 PM  

Corona-chan killing the public skoolz AND the Devil Mouse. Best timeline ever.

Blogger Rowan April 14, 2020 7:09 PM  

Exactly, Snidely.

Blogger Canadian Warlord April 14, 2020 7:09 PM  

I actually registered for the second year of UNBC's existence, a new university in northern british columbia. Wanted to go into computer programming with my friends. The year previous it was opened by the queen. They shut down the three pulp mills days before so the town wouldn't offend the royal nose. The construction site featured a bathroom built just for her in case she needed to tinkle on her brief visit - it was demolished without being used (I can't help but think some hairy electrician took a vicious dump in it before that).

Fast forward to now, my programmer friends hate their jobs, make peanuts and have to live in ultra-expensive Vancouver. The university now has no computer programming, and is 100% gender studies and native studies (grievance studies). I went to an American college in another province. It all worked out. But wow, post secondary has completely face-dived within my working life.

I think it's the student loan scam - tuition raised every year exactly with loan increases. It was so obvious even the commie cbc has stories about it. That constant need for more students, more courses, more debt - has crashed the yellow short-bus.

Blogger RigsOfChad April 14, 2020 7:23 PM  

Given the imminent transition to online coursework, which types of university programs will be the most rewarding for those seeking employment in the post-Corona U.S.?

Blogger Gettimothy April 14, 2020 7:34 PM  

Via Neon Revolt

"Last month was the first March without a school shooting since 2002."

Blogger Harris April 14, 2020 7:36 PM  

I have mixed feelings on this. As a father who recently sent 3 children through college, I think the cost is outrageous. As someone who works for a university in Facility Maintenance, I am quite familiar with the bloat in administration at Universities, and find it outrageous that the University spends so much money on useless things. And there are a myriad of useless college programs which produce nothing but deeply indebted no-nothing graduates who are completely useless to society at large.

On the other hand, being one of only two engineers in the Maintenance Department with 176 buildings to maintain is a pretty decent job. Facilities have to be maintained or mothballed, and I enjoy my job. I struggle with the idea of whether my job is actually "necessary," but someone has to keep the building operating, and having an engineer oversee that seems useful, if not exactly necessary.

So, on the one hand, I easily acknowledge the waste. On the other, it is nice to be employed. I could go back to traveling the nation working in private industry, as I did for 28 years before taking this job. But I'd rather not have to do so. Is that selfish? Absolutely.

Ultimately, I think we need to fix our society, and if that means I have to go on the road again because the entire education system needs an overhaul, so be it.

Blogger sammibandit April 14, 2020 7:38 PM  

I sucked at high school. A typical "at-risk teen". I always found in-class lectures very hard and since I wasn't able to do crafts to keep my hands busy, or to read ahead I just skipped class. When I was old enough to finish high school on my own terms I went to get the equivalent of the GED. Adult ed was awesome. I could come and go as I want because I turned in work early that was done properly. The incentive structure meant I could hold up my part of the deal. I even helped tutor people which is something I'd never consider doing in a traditional school.

Blogger Brett baker April 14, 2020 7:40 PM  

Unfortunately, +1

Blogger Brett baker April 14, 2020 7:44 PM  

Back in the 80s, one teacher told us he wished mandatory schooling ended in 8th grade like it used to. That way, he'd be teaching people who wanted to be there and learn.

Blogger Raker_T April 14, 2020 7:47 PM  

This is a bit like putting the bell on the cat; but, the public schools are physical places where intelligent design and true history are banned. Right now, students aren't in those locations. Is there a way to promote these subjects to parents and children at this time? What to do, I haven't thought of, other than the Ken Ham videos I'm reposting (they're cranking it out every day). Problem being, that only reaches my contacts.

Blogger CostelloM April 14, 2020 7:49 PM  

I teach high school calculus in China and I had to get the whole virtual class room setup started a few months ago. It didn't take much time at all and now I have a tops down camera focused on a writing pad where I present material and work through problems. Students can interact with me and ask questions just as they do in a normal class room but without the added cost of a buildings, meal plans, etc. Bonus points for the fact that every class is recorded and students can re-watch them whenever they like. File transfers work for homework and testing can easily be done online as well. I was skeptical at first but the test scores don't lie and this works.

Blogger awildgoose April 14, 2020 7:55 PM  

glueballs wrote:Rigorous anatomy, biology, chemistry and physics labs could be conducted at the local community colleges with existing equipment. Science is the only academic area I can see opponents leveraging against home schooling.

Programming and basic electronics are also subjects that can be covered at home without incurring huge upfront costs. Heck, it is actually quite possible to do quite sophisticated development at home depending on how far one wants to go with Arduino, Raspberry Pi, Python, Linux, Android, etc.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 14, 2020 8:13 PM  

I'm taking classes through Coursera, which costs. The upside is that I can put a video on repeat until I understand the material. The course has videos, with a transcript below the video. At first I would listen to the video, then skim the notes. Then I learned to outline the notes, then listen to the video to get the finer points. Somehow, inflections matter. And, well, repeats of videos.

I did it at my last job. I figured out a project from listening to a 45 minute video from the company's most successful sales person on how to go paperless. I did that project for two months. I am a temp, so any additional time is good. It doubled the contract length from two months to four.

I'm hoping the Coursera class puts me where I can get a full-time, viable paying job. Or, at least in the arena.

My sons all use Khan Academy- kinder, elementary, high school and college. It was indispensable for getting them up to speed when they went from a low SES, low academic expectations school to one of the top high schools. The elementary school teachers, themselves, could not do long division. The fourth grade teacher called in a specialist to teach division, for one day, and then got back to whatever, and then blamed the kids for being from a housing project. Except- this was a school that, before her and the wise Latina principal- had sent over a dozen kids to magnet schools or private schools on scholarship, every year, for decades. It's why we lived there- the housing was under-priced relative to the school's teacher corps.

For elementary kids: Enchanted Learning is free during Corona, if your school has shut down. It's $20 for a year. It's printables and schedules. Khan Academy has a curriculum and access to free books, in addition to its usual math programming.

The Screen Actors Guild has a youtube channel where the actors read classic children's books. It's professionally done. The ones I've seen are really lovely, warm and captivating.

Music: there are abundant inexpensive starter kits for every instrument, it seems. This is an upside of Chinese manufacturing, I guess? A $120 violin kit, versus the nearly $1,000 my poor grandparents paid for back in the 1980s, is quite an eye-opening price contrast. There are entire channels of people teaching every instrument. No one is stuck with their local teacher, if that teacher is awful. I don't see how one gets to orchestral, group things, but why not pay attention to small, private solace? A violin solo, a lovely piano piece, something on a recorder, a guitar....

Smaller, more private seems to be the way that kids are listening these days, anyway. I mean, I have never heard of any of the performers any of my kids' listen to, in general, but they have music on all day. The performers all seem to be young people in their room. They are in tune, the sounds are lovely and personable, and some of them are writing their own songs. Some of the performers go on tour, as they get fans. They advertise on social media, I guess?

Blogger Gettimothy April 14, 2020 8:42 PM  

Sports , theater, band, chirus, orchestra should be supported by the existing township parks services.

Blogger AbnEng April 14, 2020 8:48 PM  


If somebody in an Old Folk's Home dies of 5.56mm poisoning, but the have WuFlu, doesn't that mean they died with WuFlu and not from the shooting?

Blogger Newscaper312 April 14, 2020 9:18 PM  

Caution in a couple areas, re online.
1. Accreditation has flaws but it is about the only thing holding 4 year colleges' feet to the fire on some sort of notion of national standards. Yes, this varies by major, mattering much more for some than others. Be cautious w online degree programs from schools that go Oh, yes, we' re accredited, blah, blah. The college as a whole may have a legit general accreditation as a whole (usu from some regionally recognized body), but it is NOT the same thing as what really matters, which is major-specific accreditation for particular degrees.For engineering or computer science you want ABET, for example.

Blogger eclecticmn April 14, 2020 9:19 PM  

Forgive me while I sperg on my favorite topic. So much has changed for the better since I was young. Back then only heathkit and self help, which was good.

I am an old phart. I took four MOOC classes through coursera in computer science just for fun. Python, Machine Learning, and two Cloud Computing (distributed computing theory). The teaching quality was awesome and cheap. Assignments were mostly graded automatically. Programs were tested automatically. Sometimes assignments were graded by 4-5 other students using grading rubrics. The trick was to scale up a 30 person class to maybe 10,000 people without requiring more educators. Much of the help when you are stuck is from on-line forums where you get help from other students and a very few teachng assistants. You ask for help from peers, just like real life. Khan Academy is good for many HS topics and some university.

My son had trouble in HS Spanish. I had him take on-line one on one tutoring from You needed skype and paypal and then $12/hour. The mostly women Guatemalan tutors got to keep most of the money not some middleman. Thanks to Milvia Vasquez his grades soared and he passed. IMO a totally on-line foreign language class would be great.

Here is an old concise TED talk by Daphne Koller. She and Andrew Ng started much of the MOOC teaching.

The bad news is that many schools are using on-line teaching but at the brick and mortar prices. E.g. my sons community college. It removes the commuting time which is good.

Blogger crescent wrench April 14, 2020 10:12 PM  

It's much easier to centralize propaganda when you can have a single instructor's course lecture piped to hundreds of millions of people.

That said, the constant stream of punishment annihilating any hint of creative expression on the part of students for 12 years plus can't happen with remote learning.

That's far more important than what some square teacher happens to be pushing.

Blogger Canadian Warlord April 14, 2020 10:16 PM  

Copy on that, awildgoose.

Here in Calgary there's a makerspace called Protospace. They teach electronics, also welding, woodwork etc. and charge 55 bucks per month. Many raspberry pi projects. However, recently shut down by the alberta government.

There's now a second maker space, Fuse 33. The owner of Fuse (until recently probably) spends one third of his time in China, making cascading LED wedding dresses. He wants more women in STEM. I suspect the 3d printers mostly make cosplay accessories. He's operating, not shut down by the alberta government.

So that's how advanced the idea of collaborative, project-based learning is already supplanting engineering schools locally - it's been copied by the government-conjoined creeps.

High praise.

Blogger Jad April 14, 2020 10:31 PM  

Interesting development. Australia is still pushing for at school education. However, can't centralized propaganda be just as easily done through online education as in the school room?

Blogger r7h93 April 14, 2020 10:43 PM  

Last year Hacker News featured some article by an educationist reviewing 100(?) interesting ideas in education. About 1/10 of the entries seemed satisfied to say "but we can't do this because it will increase disparities".

Rally for some #FreeCollegeONLINEforEveryone

Blogger Ska_Boss April 14, 2020 10:54 PM  

Everyone being home-schooled with the state running K-12 sports only seems ideal to me. Hell the private sector could probably do a better job at that too.

Blogger eclecticmn April 14, 2020 11:01 PM  

46. GettimothyApril 14, 2020 8:42 PM
Sports , theater, band, chirus, orchestra should be supported by the existing township parks services.

Yes. Decades ago I was in a drum and bugle corps. Back then there were 50x more of them than now. They really did keep inner city kids off the streets. People often asked what institution we were affiliated with. They were puzzled that there was no govt or school affiliation. Later on I read that German students belonged to sports clubs not teams affiliated with schools. VD plays for an independent soccer org I understand. Google Santa Clara Vanguard or Chicago Cavaliers for examples of drum corps.

I am told that in the US Waldorf, Catholic, and Hebrew schools teach grade school music using cheap recorders. If these are taught over internet that would be awesome.

I am not a EE, but know some digital. There are circuit simulators that allow testing circuits without real circuits.

Blogger Sean April 14, 2020 11:10 PM  

But but but... think of the gender studies students, they will suffer! How dare you suggest something like this!

Blogger liberranter April 14, 2020 11:53 PM  

There really isn't any reason to maintain the conventional school system anymore, except for the global elite's interest in imposing its centralized propaganda.

AND to disguise what are for all practical purposes welfare payments to certain classes of people who are otherwise unemployable.

Blogger glueballs April 15, 2020 12:00 AM  

@32 Ransom Smith
A lot of young men just can't handle the long school day. It bores them

You sat there knowing the answer relatively instantly and yet you were forced to wave your arms and then quiet them from unobserved desperation because the imbecilic teacher once again made the entire class wait for Susie Sub-par and, subsequently following artificial encouragement, Johnny Jackass to dick around for several minutes more unsuccessfully before the teacher answered her own question, or she attempted to but even she had lost her train of thought and meandering off-topic, and as a male at this young age you consider severing your arteries and bleed out just for something to do and in any event your life is being wasted. Give young white males an effing tutor for five hours each week, a subject matter list for mastering, and test us pass or fail – the top 50% will easily pass every term. The bottom 50 should receive vocational training and retraining or else a subsidy. Gawd, I loathe factory “education” and the only reason I made it through so many years was a desire to improve my personal situation, explore the world someday, and enjoy the convenient pussy. That’s it.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 15, 2020 12:28 AM  

@55. I remember the Santa Clara Vanguard. My high school marching band stole some of their routines from DCI performances. I remember them, the Madison Scouts, Casper Troopers and others from back in the Day. PBS channels used to have the DCI championships.

Blogger Beloved April 15, 2020 1:17 AM  

If only that was all it was.

The Prussian educational model is designed to destroy a child's ability to think for themselves, and passively accept the state's brainwashing propaganda.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 15, 2020 3:03 AM  

"but we can't do this because it will increase disparities"

It's hilarious how they pretend that a vast majority of the "disparately impacted" haven't already checked out physically from the current school system by sixth grade, if not earlier. The kids still left in inner city schools after that point are mostly fleeing from an even worse home situation. In that sense, public schools do serve some purpose: as daily homeless shelters for kids.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 15, 2020 3:10 AM  

I read that German students belonged to sports clubs not teams affiliated with schools.

The idea of "school sports" is perplexing-to-ridiculous to most of the world outside the US. The notion that one needs to pretend to be a college student in order to attempt a professional sports career is rightly considered absurd.

Of course, everyone understands once they are aware of the money involved; colleges are happy to jettison their purported primary purpose in order to take a shot at make a big ol' wad of dosh. Certainly one doesn't see any NCAA exec living in the streets, or even in a downscale neighborhood.

Blogger Paul M April 15, 2020 3:53 AM  

People who have a talent for STEM need access to reference books. That's about it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 15, 2020 8:31 AM  

Many people take in information better if it's explained to them by another human being than if they only read books. I've seen that with programming videos I've done, where people will tell me they had been trying to learn something, yet it suddenly became clear when they watched me walk through it.

But with online learning, we're now able to get that classroom/tutor experience without a school, certainly without a government funded and controlled educational institution. The only thing schools still provide that the home can't is the Lord of the Flies environment.

Blogger Jad April 15, 2020 8:35 AM  

I would worship The Dark Lord. If only...

Blogger Maniac April 15, 2020 10:40 AM  

My father retired from his job as a computer tech for the local public school system a few years ago. At last year's Father's Day dinner, he admitted that he wouldn't have made my brother and I go to a public school if he'd known how shitty it was.

I've never been asked how many moons Jupiter has in any job interviews.

Blogger Unknown April 15, 2020 8:55 PM  

Definitely, they removed the Lord's Prayer from highschool. But my child told ne at their school they have to proclaim a statement every morning that acknowledge their school is squatting onthe ancestral lands of some native group. Interestingly this native group was not the original one, they moved in about 200 years ago long after the original nation sought refuge and protection in New France.

Blogger Unknown April 15, 2020 10:17 PM  

In a class, the kids are under strong pressure to conform. Conformity comes from peer pressure and the authority that comes from the physical presence of the teacher. With online courses, those pressures are eliminated or mat least minimized.

Blogger eclecticmn April 15, 2020 10:47 PM  

Long ago I wanted to get a post BS degree or at least learn stuff but had two jobs that required 75% travel to start up plants. I desparately wanted distance learning but it did not exist. I borrowed/stole a heathkit microprocessor kit/course from a company closet but that was it. I feel I should share some gems I found recently in self taught or distance learning.

There is a coursera 2 part course Build a Modern Computer from First Principles: From Nand to Tetris based on a book The Elements of Computer Systems by Nisan and Schocken. You start out with nand gates and HDL and build your way up to simple compilers, all simulated.
It says from grade 13 on up but some HS students have completed it.
I ran out of steam.

There is an out of print book "Home Computers: Questions and Answers Volume 1: Hardware" by Rich Didday. It was fantastic back and forth. Socratic method. Based on the 8080 chip but not out of date.

Any book by Andrew S. Tanenbaum is good. The older editions cover different topics but are still good. Timberdoodle seemed OK for younger grades.

Blogger sammibandit April 15, 2020 10:54 PM  

Yes. Decades ago I was in a drum and bugle corps. Back then there were 50x more of them than now. They really did keep inner city kids off the streets. People often asked what institution we were affiliated with. They were puzzled that there was no govt or school affiliation.

I've heard about these. My dad was in a Catholic choir. It was neighborhood boys, whatever religion which at the time was Prot/Cath and whatever style (there was a tough guy greaser). That was what they did a couple times a week after dinner. The head was a teacher at his school.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim April 16, 2020 9:42 AM  

I heard a wonderful dis is soon about how theology used to be the common framework behind the mechanical arts, the liberal arts, and the fine arts. They all used to make sense because of Christ. Now, two of the three have devolved into meaninglessness and the mechanical arts (STEM) are starting to weaken as the last holdout.

Blogger Owen April 17, 2020 6:51 PM  

Thanks that’s excellent news! Time for a tax revolt, complete with pitchforks and torches. I don’t know the specifics but I’m pretty sure that government employees are continuing to be paid. But schools, parks and libraries are closed. Given the economic crisis how in the world can we continue to pay all of their salaries?

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