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Friday, April 24, 2020

One can't "ruin" Star Trek

Nor can it "collapse", as it came into being pre-collapsed from the mind of a proto-SJW who sold it under false pretenses. All one has to know to confirm that an individual's mind is intrinsically off-balance is to learn that he's a fan of Star Trek in any iteration:
Star Trek very much embodied what liberal American white males of the 1980s and 1990s thought the future would (or should) look like: secular, sexually liberated, humanistic, meritocratic, equitable, and technological – a man’s world, basically. In this world, religion plays practically no role in public life. Problems are solved with diplomacy instead of violence. Money doesn’t exist, so there is no capitalism, greed, or want. People spend their lives bettering humanity and doing other such noble things like negotiating peace with aliens or exploring the universe in one of Starfleet’s advanced starships, each equipped with a plethora of miraculous technologies. In their leisure time, the crews of these starships visit a holographic room, the holodeck, which can conjure any fantasy into a photorealistic facsimile of the real thing.

Probably the only place in the Western world where this mentality can still be found is California’s Silicon Valley. As in the fictional world of Star Trek, men do most of the work; they advance through meritocracy; and there is something akin to a fraternal culture, irrespective of the prevailing progressive ideology. Silicon Valley is also still largely free of the odious diversity requirements imposed on the rest of society.

That was also once true of Hollywood itself, and it showed in the television they produced — Star Trek, for example. That franchise, spanning hundreds of television hours and a number of theatrical releases, was mostly helmed by men who got their jobs through merit – actors, writers, ship designers, show runners. The main characters of each of the television series were also men. The Original Series (TOS) featured a lead triangle of male actors – Kelley, Shatner, and Nemoy. The sequel, The Next Generation (TNG), featured mostly male characters, certainly all the most popular ones. These characters often featured something educated men are interested in: the second officer is an android; the chief engineer has a technology-supplemented vision; the executive officer is a ladies man and a master strategist who plays games of skill underpinned by mathematical rules; the captain is a wise and cultured authority figure who reads Shakespeare; the security chief is a noble warrior from an alien species whose culture is based around rules of honor.
Meritocracy in Silicon Valley? Silicon Valley is "largely free" of diversity requirements?

This guy is still stuck in 1985. When Star Trek was differently, but equally awful.

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129 Comments:

Blogger Laramie Hirsch April 24, 2020 7:31 AM  

I suppose I occasionally like Star Trek because I was raised in a culture of secular humanism, and before knowing anything about anything, I just thought as a secular humanist.

I still return to watching the old shows sometimes. Deep Space Nine was the best one---I very much enjoyed the character of Gul Dukat. Deep Space Nine was great---even though they stole their entire premise from the writer of Babylon 5, which I also like.

I enjoy watching The Expanse on Amazon. The first and second seasons were incredible. I'm not too crazy about the ideology behind that show, either.

I wonder what a Christianized space fiction would look like.

Blogger FrankNorman April 24, 2020 7:41 AM  

Hmm. Speaking as a long-time Star Trek fan, I like it for being a show about spaceships, and alien planets, and energy weapons, and so on.
All the hot air about future humanity being secular socialists etc etc has always been an aspect of it one shouldn't take too seriously.

Blogger rikjames.313 April 24, 2020 7:44 AM  

I have no idea about the rest of Silicon Valley through San Fran, but the legal departments I have dealt with in tech and financial services cos are the children of the elite and lots of A2s (black/gay/hispanic/ugly chicks) who do little work, any work they do is off checklists, and they lean on the few overworked straight white males and outside counsel to do anything hard. Then you find out the other half of their traditional work, contract tracking and compliance, is all off shored to Bangalore.

Blogger Dole April 24, 2020 7:47 AM  

Star Trek? Isn't this the version of Star Wars that is so unpopular that no one is even bothered that it is being "destroyed" by SJWs.

Blogger The Cooler April 24, 2020 7:53 AM  

The Wrath of Khan was quite good. Because Moby Dick and Ricardo Montalban. The rest of Star Trek always seemed a bit fruity. I had never really thought about what really liking Star Trek might indicate about a person until VD's critiques, but by God if they aren't useful heuristics. Funny to boot, always a plus.

Blogger Unknown April 24, 2020 7:54 AM  

I was a fan of Star Trek as a child, then I grew out of it as I started developing real taste as an adult.

It's pretty obvious Durocher's frame of reference ends with TNG. Like the leftists, he sees culture as static, rather than something living. DS9's stolen premise was a sign of bad storytelling that signaled new depths of depravity.

Blogger steb April 24, 2020 8:07 AM  

Star Trek offered the illusion of meritocracy. Once you were on the team it was for life. There was one doctor, one engineer, one scientist, and zero competition or jockeying for position. There wasn't even another ship like the Enterprise to compare their performance against. Everyone was the best and only one at what they did.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 24, 2020 8:14 AM  

Money doesn’t exist, so there is no capitalism, greed, or want.

There is no excuse for believing something as stupid as "money causes greed or want".

Blogger LR27 April 24, 2020 8:16 AM  

I am with my friends in enjoying Star Trek for what it was while knowing full well that it was garbage that had a few good points that were interesting enough to make it more entertaining than whatever else was on TV.

Blogger Jim April 24, 2020 8:18 AM  

I tried re-watching TNG a few years back when I had Netflix/Hulu, and I was amazed at how many episodes I just skipped.

Blogger yoghi.llama April 24, 2020 8:19 AM  

I confess I was a fan of the Shapeshifter Dominion theme.

It has echoes of something in the real world.

Blogger Glen Sprigg April 24, 2020 8:23 AM  

My reason for liking Star Trek was because in a sea of dystopian, post-apocalyptic sci-fi where the future invariably sucked, Star Trek was optimistic. The future was bright, and humanity wasn't the problem with the universe. Sure, the secular humanism is an issue, but I ignore that part and enjoy the hopeful aspect. Besides, I already know that we'll get out there when God wants us to. All the secular wishful thinking won't change that.

Blogger Salt April 24, 2020 8:23 AM  

I watched it back in the 60s. It was fun with cool ships, a transporter, and fanciful weapons, but so much was left unsaid one might easily wonder exactly what it was not being said. It was sterile, as sterile as what was not being said.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 24, 2020 8:25 AM  

Look at the bright side all the conservative's whining and wailing incites the SJW to further insanity, hopefully enough that the SJW take their clown car of American pop culture straight off the cliff. Other than that conservatives are generally useless versus the SJW since they are totally hapless in the social game versus the 19 year old female mentality of the SJW.

Blogger My Shield Is Disgust April 24, 2020 8:28 AM  

“I wonder what Christianized space fiction would look like”

John C. Wright’s fiction is Christian. I highly recommend his Superluminary trilogy.

Warhammer 40,000 was probably not written by Christians, but maybe by accident it is very beautiful Christian allegory.

Blogger peacefulposter April 24, 2020 8:37 AM  

Start Trek definitely had an evil agenda, but I'm always struck by the prescience of the technology, especially in TNG. They were using touch screens and walking around with little tablet computers years before they were even a gleam in the eye of the mainstream.

Replicators aren't quite here yet, but 3D printers are getting better every day.

Blogger Dont Worry About Me April 24, 2020 8:40 AM  

Sci Fi needs a replacement for both Star Wars and Star Trek that is Christian in its truthfulness

Blogger ZhukovG April 24, 2020 8:41 AM  

I wanted to watch the original series when it aired, but my parents(Silent Generation) wouldn't let me. I saw some of it in syndication and thought it was okay, at least when they were shooting things with phasers and photon torpedoes.

I watched the cartoon version as a kid in the early-mid seventies. It was better than most of the drek that was children's programming back then.

I tried to like Next Generation, but again really only liked it when they were shooting things. I thought the Borg was kind of a cool story line.

I went to one Star Trek convention, because my girlfriend wanted to go. She was a little weird, but I wasn't seeing her for her personality. Leonard Nimoy was actually a good speaker and his talk on the background of the original series was interesting. The rest of the convention was just creepy.

Have no desire to watch anything else that's remotely Trekkie.

Blogger Teleros April 24, 2020 8:51 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:Deep Space Nine was the best one

That and Jeri Ryan in Voyager. Ahem.

Laramie Hirsch wrote:I wonder what a Christianized space fiction would look like.

It's out there. A couple that come to mind:

https://bradfordcwalker.blogspot.com/
http://delarroz.com/ (see the Nano Templar saga)

Blogger 1LLoyd April 24, 2020 8:52 AM  

At its best, Star Trek would look at both sides of an ethical problem and leave it there for the audience to consider. At its worst, it would lecture, and act superior, while dealing with stereotypes. Some of the TNG first season episodes were cringey.

Today we have STINO -- Star Trek In Name Only. Star Trek never had a good moral base. It is not surprising that it has gotten worse.

Blogger Unknown April 24, 2020 8:58 AM  

Didnt the original (Shatner, Nimoy) version come out in the early 70s? As a 10 year old I thought spaceships and aliens were cool, and Kirk usually either shot the bad guy with a ray gun or just kicked thier ass. As far as the rest of the versions, both movies and tv, by then I had discovered life outside the magic picture box/mind control device, and so never saw them. The author, I think here is trying to hard to make the entire series out to be sone noble social landmark, as opposed to pap designed to waste time, (or as I had never noticed before Vox pointed it out) an indicator of a twisted mind.

Blogger maniacprovost April 24, 2020 8:58 AM  

There's a line between casually watching a show on TV and being a Trekkie. One likes spaceships go pew, the other longs to live in a metrosexual liberal Utopia.

I would say TNG and Voyager were only 50% trash by volume.

Blogger Shane April 24, 2020 9:06 AM  

If I was given a yuuuge sum of money I would like to see the Warhammer 40k world put to film. https://affirmativeright.blogspot.com/2014/02/into-grim-darkness.html?m=1
It's pretty much a rip off of Dune and Milton's Paradise Lost but I've always loved the artwork. Medieval Fascist Europe beats fully automated luxury gay space communism every time. It'll be interesting to see how Denis Villeneuve's Dune turns out

Blogger Bogey April 24, 2020 9:21 AM  

"Static" is the best definition of all of the Star Trek series. Hell is the best definition for the lives of the actors after the series. I would much rather be a hard working nobody than have the modicum of fame that Star Trek would give me and have to spend the rest of the my life on the convention circuit and boat cruises.

Blogger Scott April 24, 2020 9:27 AM  

The only Trekker I met had an affair with a woman almost three times older than him and murdered her husband in a life insurance scam.

He's serving life in prison and so is she.

Blogger Gallant April 24, 2020 9:27 AM  

On Silicon Valley/Meritocracy - depends on where you look - and realize that SJWs are still attacking this aspect. At the core, there is still hard technical work that has to be done by the willing-and-able, who bring more than '9 to 5' regurgitation of what they were spoonfed in school.

You've seen runs at this with the tranny-COC thing that took Linux, and technically in silicon valley this core is lorded over by HR. But this core remains, and remains subject to selective pressures. Even in areas where non-performers are injected, there's still an undercurrent or subculture where everyone knows who's doing the real work irrespective of job title.

Blogger [Redacted] April 24, 2020 9:35 AM  

Any tabletop role-play game in the Star Trek universe will destroy its peaceful technocratic premise within two sessions. Even a modest imagination will give tech like the food replicators, teleporters, dermal regenerators, and personal tractor beams military applications and it rapidly becomes Warhammer 40k. Examples: Replicators filling the lower decks with blood and tentacles. Gravity plates making diamonds out of the carbon from purse puppies. Dermal generation fields stitching crew members together. Xenomorph aliens impregnating via the teleporter. Tractor beams inches thick that rip enemies apart. By the third session, everyone armors up and starts to pray. It turns all the stories into farcical commercials for space communism.

Blogger Bobiojimbo April 24, 2020 9:37 AM  

@1 "I wonder what a Christianized space fiction would look like."

It would look like Quantum Mortis or CS Lewis' Space trilogy.

Can anyone recommend any others?

Blogger d April 24, 2020 9:45 AM  

Thank you Vox.

The Pajama Boys of IT happily surrendered their turf long ago. It even metasticized into GitHub projects, even before Microsoft bought them. Projects there are being shadowbanned, and even erased, by political commissars. And almost all Open Source projects --including languages themselves --now include Code of Conduct pages requiring participants to submit to whatever crotch-centric mysticism the political commissars spawned five minutes ago.

Blogger sammibandit April 24, 2020 9:45 AM  

That article was way too long. I should have started at the bottom.

When conquering armies of the ancient world subdued an enemy, they often defaced the conquered tribe’s symbols – destroyed the statues, burned the temples, desecrated anything sacred; both Muslim and Christian conquerors were famous for this. Same thing here. The new regime is burning the cultural bridges so you can’t go back to the better world left behind, the one not ruled by them.

Thanks for showing this. I hate that I used to like this franchise. I didn't even like it until I was on EI and alcoholic--and I just had a eureka. No wonder it's on daytime syndication. Since I no longer have those problems I no longer like the franchise.

Blogger Knight of Logos April 24, 2020 9:47 AM  

It is interesting how a lot of the Sci-Fi can be looked at as programing and pre-programming tools.

Star Trek: One world government, the Eugenics Wars (Bill Gates must be a Trekkie), Multi-Species-Culturalism

War of the Worlds: "You are just one miniscule planet in a violent and chaotic universe. Be afraid."

In general, Sci-Fi turns people away from matters of this world into a fantasy-based "outer space" world. Although I grew up loving Sci-Fi and Fantasy, and I still very much enjoy some of it (Lord of the Rings, some of Philip K. Dick's works), now that I am older, I see how all this fantasy has taken people away from reality, making them more ignorant, fat, lazy, disconnected, and easy to control.

Even though I don't like comics, I appreciate Vox's work with comics as nationalist, truth-based remedy to the mass-produced nonsense and globalist propaganda. There are many fronts in the culture war.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon April 24, 2020 9:50 AM  

I was at a major conference recently with quite a few high powered CIOs in various organizations. One of them, a 55+ year old white male, made a comment to the effect that the software industry was too white and too male, and that had to change.

During the question period I raised my hand and asked what decade he lived in. He didn't know what I meant, so I explained that Indian males outnumbered white males heavily in all of the major software markets: silicon valley, redmond, virginia, chicago, etc. He was out of date by 20 years.

Although he looked kind of bemused, an Indian guy (from India no less) chimed in to say that I was right, software was heavily Indian.

These boomers are stuck in the past. Just take a tour of Nvidia or any other major tech company and the demographics are clear.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 24, 2020 9:56 AM  

Should we mourn the demise of the white liberal? White Liberalism did have some appeal to me but then again so does Jack Daniels, both are bait from the devil. Anyway the author of the piece summed up my views on ST, at least the two series I bothered to watch.

Blogger David The Good April 24, 2020 9:58 AM  

Wardogs > Star Trek

Blogger Barbarossa April 24, 2020 10:00 AM  

I wanted to watch the original series when it aired

I was but a mere babe during that time, but I watched the series in syndication. Way too young to grasp all the one world nonsense; I watched it for spaceships and aliens and phasers.

Loved Wrath of Khan. And then not too longer after...Gene Roddenberry showed up to speak at my university. It was free and why not? First real "celebrity" I had a chance to see in person. I was appalled. It seemed like what exercised his mind the most was about was how awesome sex in space would be. Then I started paying a lot more attention to the "message" contained within. When TNG showed up, I already knew to give it a hard pass.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon April 24, 2020 10:02 AM  

"Warhammer 40,000 was probably not written by Christians, but maybe by accident it is very beautiful Christian allegory."

Written by anti-Thatcherite punks, I believe. They basically riffed off of Judge Dredd, Aliens, Star Wars, Moorcock, and a ton of European history. It's one of the few universes where demons and deviants are to be purged, not celebrated (by bye Marina Abramovic). The Emperor is quite obviously a Christ figure, and human civilization falling from grace (a period of optimism, rationality and technological progress) due to decadence, moral failings, lack of faith etc is a constant theme. They were out to parody 70s and 80s totalitarian regimes like the Pinochet government, I believe.

There are, however, signs that the left wing wackjobs want to change that state of affairs. Feminist 40k, more diversity, plot suggestions about the Emperor waking up or finally expiring, etc etc.

Wish I bought their stock a few years ago.

Blogger urthshu April 24, 2020 10:04 AM  

Was always a bigger fan of the Aliens franchise than ST SW or the Terminator series. Very thankful it never became a TV series.

Blogger heyjames4 April 24, 2020 10:08 AM  

1. The first few seasons of the Stargate Franchise were pretty okay. Heroic American Military w/native auxiliaries and sometimes Russian assistance vs. face-stealing space demons and the bad parts of the military-industrial-complex.

Blogger KBuff April 24, 2020 10:22 AM  

I was enough of a fan to have read Shatner's 'behind-the-scenes' books on TOS and the movies. Apparently, throughout the early movies, Roddenberry was obsessed with the idea of the Enterprise returning from the future to save JFK, but no one else would go along with it. That seems pretty consistent with his 'perfect future of humanity' vision.

Blogger L April 24, 2020 10:23 AM  

The Lamb Among The Stars trilogy by Chris Walley.

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2020 10:31 AM  

"Meritocracy in Silicon Valley? Silicon Valley is "largely free" of diversity requirements?"

We now know how absurd these two claims have been, as the top Silicon Valley people were half-way selected and promoted by Deep State and government agencies (think Zuck and wife at Facebook), or they were at least comped easily . The tech industry also led as soon as possible, getting rid of Americans for H1Bs. Yes, there was a time that they needed American STEM talent to get off the ground, but they quickly switched over.

Many IT and STEM Americans of all generations are arrogant and narcissistic, thinking they are the exceptions, and that they can't or couldn't be replaced (as they are so talented)-- amusing. This attitude has helped the Globalists move forward quickly.

I know of one Black manager that got let go at an insurance firm due to several complaints about sexual harassment. He was snapped up immediately by Microsoft and slotted there into a 'diversity enforcement' program at a higher wage. This was in the 1990s. This guy, of course, was tech illiterate.

Blogger Daniel April 24, 2020 10:31 AM  

Star Trek was not logical.

Blogger John Rockwell April 24, 2020 10:32 AM  

Gay luxury Communism is what "Star Trek" is all about. Post-scarcity wonderland for perverts.

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2020 10:33 AM  

27. [Redacted]

Yes, so true.

Blogger John Rockwell April 24, 2020 10:34 AM  

My Shield Is Disgust wrote:“I wonder what Christianized space fiction would look like”

John C. Wright’s fiction is Christian. I highly recommend his Superluminary trilogy.

Warhammer 40,000 was probably not written by Christians, but maybe by accident it is very beautiful Christian allegory.


I recommend this song by Jeremy Soule. Used in Dawn of War but the Latin Lyrics is about Jesus Christ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-6dKVNt1C4

The Song is: "Pange Lingua Gloriosi Corporis Mysterium"

Blogger 351wsl April 24, 2020 10:55 AM  

The best thing to come from Star Trek was the parody film, Galaxy Quest.

I did like Wrath of Kahn, too.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 24, 2020 11:08 AM  

Ironic that a guy like Nicholas Meyer helmed two of the better entries in the overall franchise (Wrath of Khan, The Undiscovered Country) by deliberately forcing realism into the actions of the actors on set (no Easter eggs for console operations, there's an explanation for each and every system function).

I was always attracted to the technical portions of the shows, myself. Maybe not to the point of techno-babble, as they were often guilty of in TNG, but just the idea that you could bend space or shoot lasers, because that at least gives you an idea of making something tangible.

Now? I really don't even give it the time of day. The franchise vaporized for me when they attempted to turn Nemesis into a carbon copy of Wrath of Khan, and did so rather poorly. It was clear even then that they were out of ideas.

And also fault CBS/Paramount/Viacom for the disincentive of making people pay to see the garbage they're currently putting out. Saw what they were trying to pull with Discovery and just said, "No, thanks. I'm good."

Blogger AbnEng April 24, 2020 11:10 AM  

I thought the reason Star Trek didn't have money was that they were on a Navy ship. Of course, this thinking is from a guy that didn't bring his wallet on the overnight at Amphib School and didn't buy one of the neat blue and yellow hats -- without that I don't even remember which LSD we were on any more.

If Star Trek away teams did have money, how would it work on another planet? Would the rock monster even take gold and silver, much less Visa?

Blogger JovianStorm April 24, 2020 11:11 AM  

I've been a nerd for 30 years and went into science... So I did like Star Trek. The transhumanism and technology worked well in my childhood mind.

But I'm in my 40s now , with an advanced STEM degree and I understand that Trek was wrapping the unpalatable bitterness of Communism and Atheism in optimistic platitudes.

I'm not such a fan anymore.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer April 24, 2020 11:12 AM  

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=shatner+saturday+night+live+get+a+life&&view=detail&mid=87D5FFFE74D2ADA7AAFB87D5FFFE74D2ADA7AAFB&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dshatner%2Bsaturday%2Bnight%2Blive%2Bget%2Ba%2Blife%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

Blogger Unknownsailor April 24, 2020 11:19 AM  

TNG had its moments, Inner Light is about as good as the writing got on that show. I never took the whole proposition of "no money" seriously, because no matter how much Roddenbery liked to pitch that, there has to be some sort of money, even in a post scarcity society. Not currency, of course, but money. DS9 put that to bed with gold pressed latnium.

DS9 was the best of the bunch, IMO, but even then you could tell the writers were inexperienced with some things, such as having ground troops fighting with out any sort of armor or equipment on their person.

Blogger Gr8Again April 24, 2020 11:25 AM  

I thought TOS was pretty good. I guess it was sort of SJW for it's time, but SJW in the 60's is still hard core traditionalist when compared to media of today.

The first two seasons of TNG were awful, but then Rick Berman took over the show and season 3 through 7 were pretty good (albeit hit and miss). There was still plenty of annoy SJW material in there, but it was often subverted. The ultra-communist Borg being the most terrifying enemy of all, for example.

DS9 was also half-decent on the SJW front, with Sisko often being forced to make real-world decisions that weren't always in line with what the utopian technocrats would recommend. And there was real racial animosity there. Some species, you simply could not get along with.

Every Star Trek show created since 1999 has been awful.

Blogger Oswald April 24, 2020 11:26 AM  

The original series is from the 60s. There were a number of good episodes like Mirror Mirror, Balance of Terror, and the Enterprise Incident.

I can't say I liked any of the other series. I did like some of the early movies, but absolutely hate the latest ones with their overt SJW themes.

Blogger JRR April 24, 2020 11:26 AM  

There are only 3 seasons of Star Trek, the first two are excellent. ToS is the most conservative/libertarian show in the history of television. Most of Rodenberry's drivel was left out by the writers. From TNG on, it's always been nothing but propaganda.

Blogger Silly but True April 24, 2020 11:29 AM  

Part of the problem is that most of its liberal die-hard fans missed the point in that despite of a future secular, sexually liberated, humanistic, meritocratic, equitable, and technological – a man’s — world, basically, where religion plays practically no role in public life, problems are solved with diplomacy instead of violence, money doesn’t exist, so there is no capitalism, greed, or want, or people spending their lives bettering humanity and doing other such noble things like negotiating peace with aliens or exploring the universe in one of Starfleet’s advanced starships, each equipped with a plethora of miraculous technologies that on a weekly basis that the only right and correct people — Captains Kirk, Picard, and Sisko — had to all violate all of those principles to ensure the right end by killing instead of parlaying, and using all of their great technology intended for exploration and understanding to blow the f’k out of whichever enemy was present that week.

The message of Star Trek was while it sought gammas to be the ideal, it was only the alphas, betas, and deltas of Western ideals and thought who safeguarded its very existence.

Blogger Newscaper312 April 24, 2020 11:33 AM  

@46
I grew up on STOS reruns after school in the 70s, but quickly began reading real SF so by the time of STNG I could take it or leave it. Never gave others the time of day. By contrast Babylon 5 was written by an atheist but one who appreciated the role of religion and was pretty respectful.was
A friend who hates Discovery and Picard convinced me to give The Orville a try, which unlike my first impression is more than a spoof. Yes, the basic mindset is liberal, but they actually do tackle some complex subjects without ending up with a self righteously tidy, SJW result.

Blogger Sgt Polite April 24, 2020 11:44 AM  

I admit I like The Original Series but don't own it or anything. I grew up watching it in syndication. People talking about how liberal it is nowadays I think are confusing it with TNG, which was utter boring trash. TOS the crew got paid in credits, Kirk exclaimed he'll never get used to female yeomen, there was an episode about the one true son(Jesus), a fairly jingoistic episode about the US constitution, an episode making fun of hippies, and an episode where Kirk puts a spoiled female leader in her place. Aside from a multicult crew TOS isn't that liberal.

Blogger Jack Amok April 24, 2020 11:45 AM  

Money doesn’t exist, so there is no capitalism, greed, or want.

I forget who wrote it, but I remember a column years and years ago that contemplated just what sort of society you would really have with Star Trek's end-of-scarcity technology. In a world where food, energy and all material wants were ubiquitous, the only thing left for humans to - as humans do - compete over would be raw power.

He imagined the real Federation would be a horrible place where everybody was competing to gain power over other people, since that would be the only route to status left. Anybody could have a diamond necklace, a fine suit, all the best food they could wish for. So all the competitive energy would go into bossing other people around.

Funny, as the years have gone by, in our own (very temporary) post-scarcity society, that's exactly what happened. SJWs, Progs, eco-nuts, an all the panoply of various Leftists have stopped fighting over prosperity and degenerated into finding as many ways to tell other people how to live as they could.

Blogger Quartermain April 24, 2020 11:52 AM  

My take on Star Trek:

https://quartermainsquarantine.blogspot.com/search/label/star%20trek

Blogger SaltHarvest April 24, 2020 12:06 PM  

Star Trek is still watchable as long as you realize that the Federation is an idealized self-identification (Read: "As a (blank),..."). The other races in the series are frequently projections.

Exercise is left to the reader to figure out what went into making up the Borg and Ferengi.

Blogger Akulkis April 24, 2020 12:12 PM  

"In general, Sci-Fi turns people away from matters of this world into a fantasy-based "outer space" world. Although I grew up loving Sci-Fi and Fantasy, and I still very much enjoy some of it (Lord of the Rings, some of Philip K. Dick's works), now that I am older, I see how all this fantasy has taken people away from reality, making them more ignorant, fat, lazy, disconnected, and easy to control."

This is why all you Warhammer 40k players should drop that fantasy shit and get back to playing non-fantasy wargames.

"B-b-b-but, muh fantasy games are easier! And there is no 'wrong' values as opposed to 'correct' values."

Yes. Precisely. And that's what's wrong about them.

Blogger doctrev April 24, 2020 12:18 PM  

At least part of enjoying Star Trek has to be starting young (which I'm sure appeals to the pedo group). Atypical children that already find themselves enjoying sci-fi will feel some connection with Star Trek, especially "logical" characters like Spock or Data. Re-watching TNG as an adult, quite a bit of the writing is just -bad-, with only flashes of insight to redeem it. DS9 had better writing in general, but the AU episode of the sci-fi writer was as cringingly awful as anything Star Trek has ever done. It's even based on Samuel Delany, who readers of this blog will recognize as an appalling deviant with extreme pedophilic fantasies!

Star Trek is iconic to the sci-fi crowd, and despite seeing far better fiction in the world I would LOVE to bottle whatever magic was used in its creation. Was it characters? Space violence? Who can say for sure. But the evil it promotes, and has promoted since at least TNG, is sufficient to run screaming from the show. Both for you and for your children.

Its demise is an excellent gateway drug to bring otherwise left-leaning Americans into a more nationalist mindset, though. Start by blaming Picard's failure on one of its half-dozen executive producers (who mostly belong to a certain elite), and work from there.

Blogger Roman Daoist April 24, 2020 12:35 PM  

Watched TOS for the first time recently. Was surprised that Kirk was sometimes the victim of strong women (who just happened to be some variety of gorgeous), letting himself be taken for the sake of the crew. Poor guy.

Blogger peacefulposter April 24, 2020 12:36 PM  

Replicator Rations were a form of money on Star Trek.

Blogger Canadian Warlord April 24, 2020 12:41 PM  

The CBC used to show "Star Trek" reruns, so much so that they supplanted an NHL playoff overtime game for it 20 years after original airing. This is a famous clip featuring Dave Hodge's on-air self-firing (he found greener pastures).

"Star Trek", was simply what was on TV in the 80s. Kids spent time outside! It's not like today where people can watch anything they want. Which may be why other science fiction shows prevail while it 'falters.'

My favorite "Star Trek" was the one planned immediately following Roddenberry's death, "Deep Space Nine". Why was it better? The captain lost his cool all the time, he 'went native,' and the station never traveled anywhere. Also it featured an interesting villain (Gul Du Kat). Later I heard about how this series was a direct ripoff of "Babylon Five" before that show was aired.

So the high water mark of all the series, was the black sheep due to specifically _not_ being the original. And now people don't go outside, watch more tv, and have apparently seen enough "Star Trek."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2020 12:47 PM  

John Rockwell wrote:The Song is: "Pange Lingua Gloriosi Corporis Mysterium"

Pange, lingua, gloriósi
Córporis mystérium,
Sanguinísque pretiósi,
Quem in mundi prétium
Fructus ventris generósi
Rex effúdit géntium.

Sing my tongue,
the mystery of His glorious body
and His precious blood
which, to redeem the world,
the fruit of a noble womb,
the King of Nations, poured forth.

Written by St. Thomas Aquinas.
Here it is by some people I know, in traditional plainchant.

Blogger Monotonous Languor April 24, 2020 12:50 PM  

I wonder if a Star Trek society has vaccines to keep their population in control? (Here's something off topic...)

According to these links, the Deep State a la Comey covered up Dr.Fauci's malign program of foisting off vaccines tainted with mouse retroviruses on an unsuspecting public, along with other conspirators like Bill Gates.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/sweet-innocent-dr-fauci-assistant-doctor-fired-jailed-2011-warning-vaccines-giving-americans-known-chronic-diseases/

see next, especially at around 4:13 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNG8wRMyoyg

Who knows, someday we may discover that leftism itself is actually caused by a mind-virus with high infection and transmittal rates, but is sadly incurable with the only option being permanent quarantine.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 24, 2020 12:50 PM  

Bobiojimbo wrote:@1 "I wonder what a Christianized space fiction would look like."

It would look like Quantum Mortis or CS Lewis' Space trilogy.

Can anyone recommend any others?


The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

When I first read it, it was almost startling to me that anyone had written an SF book where there was Christianity in the future and it was viewed as a good and important thing.

Don't bother with the sequel.

Blogger Jim April 24, 2020 1:11 PM  

Jim the Curmudgeon wrote:
Written by anti-Thatcherite punks, I believe. They basically riffed off of Judge Dredd, Aliens, Star Wars, Moorcock, and a ton of European history. It's one of the few universes where demons and deviants are to be purged, not celebrated (by bye Marina Abramovic). The Emperor is quite obviously a Christ figure, and human civilization falling from grace (a period of optimism, rationality and technological progress) due to decadence, moral failings, lack of faith etc is a constant theme. They were out to parody 70s and 80s totalitarian regimes like the Pinochet government, I believe.

I'm always amused at how leftist attempts at parody tend to wind up as effective marketing tools for the opposing team. Verhoven's spoof of Starship Troopers also comes to mind as one that wound up inadvertently glamorizing what it tried to pillory.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 24, 2020 1:12 PM  

When Star Trek was differently, but equally awful.

I respectfully disagree.. Picard is SO MUCH WORSE.

Starfleet didn’t want to let the Romulans to migrate into Federation Space after Romulus was destroyed. So Picard resigned in protest. The Globalist sentiment here is surprisingly stark. Sure they lost their home planet but the Romulans had an entire damn empire of their own. Why do they need to move into the Federation?

Anyway, Picard has been having dreams himself, about a CGI de-aged Data. Which compels him to go look in some storage facility for a portrait that Data had painted and sure enough this portrait from decades ago looks like Dahj.

Dahj, as it turns out, is Data’s not exactly daughter. She is a flesh and blood human but, (buckle up for this one boys), she has a positronic brain that was cloned from one positron of Data’s brain. If you need time to let the galloping stupidity of that one sink in I’ll give you a moment. I’ll still be here.


The only intriguing thing about Picard is to watch the frantic burning of the Left’s own fanes and temples in the name of Wokeness. Star Wars, Doctor Who, Star Trek, these were all products of the Left and their canons have all been entirely destroyed in order to make them conform with feminist ideology.

Avatar the Last Airbender’s canon was completely demolished by the guys who created it. All to make Korra the most specialist, bestest girl EVER.

Rey Palpatine managed to cuck the entire Skywalker family’s legacy to include stealing the family name...and farm!

Doctor Who’s entire backstory was rewritten to make the First Doctor now and forever a diverse woman of colour.

Any fan who objected was immediately declared a Ist-Phobe-Nazi who were never “real fans.”

Or at least they WERE declared to be such. I’ve noticed that since the plague hit town, that stuff pretty much vanished about the same time that the studio marketing budgets disappeared.

Fancy that.





Blogger ex-pastor April 24, 2020 1:23 PM  

TOS also has 3.5” floppy disks and tablet computers years before they were on the market.

Blogger ex-pastor April 24, 2020 1:23 PM  

C. S. Lewis’ Space Trilogy

Blogger One Deplorable DT April 24, 2020 1:35 PM  

All one has to know to confirm that an individual's mind is intrinsically off-balance is to learn that he's a fan of Star Trek in any iteration:

Comments filled with people explaining why they liked Star Trek.

Hmmm...I see what Vox did there.

Blogger Darwin is a Harsh Mistress April 24, 2020 1:43 PM  

Okay I agree most of so-called "Star Trek" is shit.

But classic Star Trek, the real one with Shatner and Gene Coon made in the Sixties shouldn't be dismissed so easily.

First of all, it must be considered in today's context and there it is almost glowing in tradition.

1. it's the U.S. Navy in space.

2. Men were men and women loved them. No sex confusion and the last show was about a SPACE TRANNY so demented and self-hating she tried to steal Kirk's body. The character was considered totally insane.

3. Traditional nations existed and their stereotypes were celebrated.

4. Christianity was not part of the show but the Christian virtues were. Jesus Christ was the unseen hero of one plot line and a Christian wedding ceremony featured in another + more.

5. Star Fleet never backed down from a fight. Never!

6. Communism was evil. AI was evil. Dictators were all evil.

7. America was TOP DOG -- even featuring the U.S. flag, the Star Spangled Banner, and the Constitution of the United States not to mention a bunch of famous U.S. Navy warship names.

Star Trek, especially by today's standards of devilish filth is practically inspired and wholesome and sometimes noble.

Roddenberry was a troubled man on a downward spiral and was an adulterer, possibly a rapist, but he wasn't the whole company e.g., Gene Coon.

Star Trek I think marked the end of the Post War Golden Age and the start of the hell of the Sixties. It's a turning point. It is not great art but it is, on the whole, decent and entertaining even nostalgic. It was progressive only in comparison to the tradition it was compelled to honor.

And the ladies. They were beautiful in the classic manner and surprisingly normal by today's standard of deviancy.

I know I know gamma wall of text.

Nuts!

Blogger Revelation Means Hope April 24, 2020 1:44 PM  

The original Space Seed episode that Wrath of Khan was a sequel to was one the, if not the, best episodes of any Star Trek series.

Much socio sexual hierarchy truths in that episode.

Blogger Salt April 24, 2020 1:45 PM  

There's a meme out there, (TOS) Spock contemplating whether the Hokie Pokie is really what it's all about.

Blogger Angantyr April 24, 2020 1:46 PM  

[Redacted] wrote:Any tabletop role-play game in the Star Trek universe will destroy its peaceful technocratic premise within two sessions. Even a modest imagination will give tech like the food replicators, teleporters, dermal regenerators, and personal tractor beams military applications and it rapidly becomes Warhammer 40k. Examples: Replicators filling the lower decks with blood and tentacles. Gravity plates making diamonds out of the carbon from purse puppies. Dermal generation fields stitching crew members together. Xenomorph aliens impregnating via the teleporter. Tractor beams inches thick that rip enemies apart. By the third session, everyone armors up and starts to pray. It turns all the stories into farcical commercials for space communism.

HA! Years ago I briefly played the Star Trek RPG. Part of the plot of the GM-concocted adventure was something called an optical transporter, which could go through a ship's shields. When my ship was confronted by a fleet of hostile ships (Klingon? Cardassian? Don't remember) I simply used the fancy McGuffin plot device to beam a photon torpedo warhead into the warp core of each ship, and destroyed the entire fleet. The GM did not expect that move...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2020 1:49 PM  

Darwin is a Harsh Mistress wrote:But classic Star Trek, the real one with Shatner and Gene Coon made in the Sixties shouldn't be dismissed so easily.
OK Boomer.

Blogger Silent Draco April 24, 2020 1:53 PM  

Snidely, thanks for posting Pange Lingua and the link. Now I need to find that set of ideas again.

Blogger Angantyr April 24, 2020 1:55 PM  

Akulkis wrote:"This is why all you Warhammer 40k players should drop that fantasy shit and get back to playing non-fantasy wargames.

"B-b-b-but, muh fantasy games are easier! And there is no 'wrong' values as opposed to 'correct' values."

Yes. Precisely. And that's what's wrong about them."


FTR, I consider myself a Star Fleet Battles rather than Star Trek fan. I will say that a virtue of fantasy/sci fi wargames is getting one to think outside the box, and really consider the implications of the technology (see my previous post on 1001 Other Uses for an advanced transporter).

Having said that, one needs to spend more time playing Panzerblitz and Squad Leader to keep it real...

Blogger sammibandit April 24, 2020 2:41 PM  

Hmmm...I see what Vox did there.

I was hoping for more maturation stories about formerly liking it, coming to realize it's a creepy show and laying bare the lack of character/lack of intellect it takes to have such bad taste. It's cathartic to come out as a former ST fan. And since we know the ins and outs we can really rip on it.

Like Tom Paris? They need an ace pilot Billy Bishop guy but he needs to be a prisoner and interested in turning a new leaf. So he's under duress being a captive and even-keeled because he's motivated. Despite being a prisoner he's he has to be blonde and blue eyed because???

Oh and his Chinese friend is actually Beowulf (no really he is). And don't get me started on Kes and Neelix.

Blogger Storm Rhode April 24, 2020 2:47 PM  

The idea of being in charge of a space ship that explores the galaxy is appealing to me. Shatner made it look exciting. Being older I'm a bit jaded. The new Trek has too much woke to it. I still appreciate the old school movies and series.

Blogger Darwin is a Harsh Mistress April 24, 2020 2:47 PM  

Hey Snidely: I saw Kirk get the babes in reruns. Promise.

But hey man, if it feels good do it.

[Boomer Gimme 5]




78 Snidely Whiplash wrote:

OK Boomer.

Blogger The Lab Manager April 24, 2020 2:50 PM  

I'm sure the holo-deck would not any other use other than as acting out historical plays for the amusement of the crew. I was always suspicious about that one.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis April 24, 2020 3:15 PM  

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Blogger tublecane April 24, 2020 3:18 PM  

@73- Has our language been so corrupted that to simply like something means you're a "fan" of it?

No. Fan is short for fanatic. It has entirely different connotations than tuning in to a show once a week or seeing a movie, thinking "I enjoyed that," then moving on.

Star Trek was at one point mass popular entertainment which most people who bothered consuming proceeded to immediately forget. While the masses are all fallen creatures and lambs who have been led astray, I trust they are not the sort of people we mean when we refer to "Star Trek fans."

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 24, 2020 3:26 PM  

The Ferengi were Mel Brooks’ “Jews in Space”.

Blogger VD April 24, 2020 3:30 PM  

Were Vox's appearances on Chinese television paid appearances?

What business could that possibly be of yours? Also, you're off topic.

Blogger doctrev April 24, 2020 3:32 PM  

sammibandit wrote:Hmmm...I see what Vox did there.

I was hoping for more maturation stories about formerly liking it, coming to realize it's a creepy show and laying bare the lack of character/lack of intellect it takes to have such bad taste.


From the sheer number of engineers and scientists who were Trek fans, I'd say that higher intellects are in greater danger of liking the show. It generally takes less intelligent mindsets to ignore Star Trek from the start- and they were right to do so.

I actually respect the people who come out and say they used to be fans. Most of them started young thanks to commercial influence, and climbed out of it- usually with nothing to fall back on but their own willpower and maturing tastes. The ones who are still fans aren't nationalists, for self-evident reasons.

Blogger Stephen April 24, 2020 3:36 PM  

The Christians I know who enjoy Star Trek, including myself, consider there to be one and only one Star Trek, and that's the Original Series. And Kirk is The Captain. Every secular liberal of my acquaintance (I know, I know, but given my location I'd have to live in a bubble to avoid them) favours strongly Picard as The Captain and the Next Generation as the greatest series. In fact, it seems that Kirk is only begrudgingly accepted as part of canon only because he was the first, but he is also seen as a Sexist, Racist, Bad White Man Who Abuses His Power To Sleep With Every Alien CisGendered Female He Encounters.
I find it amusing that those who are supposedly so sexually liberal revert to moralising old shrews at the sight of an Alpha alpha-ing. They much prefer the tea-sipping celibate Picard, who consults the busty Counsellor's feelings (in the most respectful of tones) and safety nets the inept Riker, before finally and reluctantly ordering phaser fire upon intergalactic fart clouds attacking the Enterprise. Kirk, at least, wasn't afraid to get the job done and confines his inner circle to balancing Logic vs. Emotion in Spock and McCoy. He respected Scottie's abilities but never consulted his opinion because the Scotsman was the worst example of a White Knight in the entire cosmos...seriously, the number of times he came to the rescue of a woman who didn't fancy him and got his rear end kicked in the process was incredible - rivalled only by Worf, the NG's security officer and fierce warrior, who regularly got smashed in a fight, and was over-ruled every time he offered his advice or gave an order.

Blogger John Bosch April 24, 2020 3:56 PM  

While not overtly Christian, Rolf Nelson's 'The Stars Came Back' series is quite enjoyable. I'm very thankful for Vox featuring it in a blog post years ago.

Blogger The Cooler April 24, 2020 4:01 PM  

From the sheer number of engineers and scientists who were Trek fans, I'd say that higher intellects are in greater danger of liking the show. It generally takes less intelligent mindsets to ignore Star Trek from the start

And awkward nerds always think they are of 'higher intellect,' in general, and more intelligent because of what they like, in particular. The alternatives are too terrifying.

Blogger sammibandit April 24, 2020 4:05 PM  

Yeah I think you're right @doctrev. The high frequency of gammas in the fandom show that.

I also think you are getting at something about programming. It's a very passive show for the viewer, especially TNG. Not an especially demanding story and cozy without the logos of cozy catastrophe SF. Technically the whole project post TOS is fan service which underscores the coziness.

Blogger Jose Miguel April 24, 2020 4:21 PM  

I liked DS 9 as a kid, but found Stargate to be much more compelling and fun. Then the Universe spinoff came out when I was in college, and let my childish love for Stargate die.

As far as classic scifi goes, I'll share the original Star Wars trilogy, Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis with my kids. Hopefully though the first true culture push will achieve a good scifi show with Christianity permeating it.

Or the Astartes guy keeps producing material with a solid team and no interference from Games Workshop who are working on converging WH40k instead of creating awesome content in their accidently developed fantastic setting.

Blogger Canadian Warlord April 24, 2020 5:10 PM  

David Feintuch's "Midshipman's Hope" series starter. I read as far as "Children of Hope" but the author is usually two books ahead of me.

Series is 19th century English Navy discipline aboard ships making years-long voyages out of contact.

There is a Christian Theocratic government that doesn't enter the narrative in terms of bureaucracy. The ship captains represent the UN (shudder) as well as the church. Now there's a match made in hell!

Blogger Dole April 24, 2020 5:27 PM  

@74 Sounds like the conservative "winning through losing" attitude to me.

Blogger Emmanuel April 24, 2020 6:51 PM  

"All one has to know to confirm that an individual's mind is intrinsically off-balance is to learn that he's a fan of Star Trek in any iteration:"

*Cough* Bill Whittle *Cough*
Fittingly enough, Bill also did a video on the meme of 'ok boomer' where by the middle and end of it he was such a boomer he unironically criticized the name. And I had such high hopes that he'd at least be willing to have a laugh at his and his generation's failures.

Blogger Noah B. April 24, 2020 6:54 PM  

Roddenberry wrote several of the Have Gun, Will Travel episodes and I recall them being mostly pretty good. It would be interesting to rewatch those with a more critical eye though.

Blogger Newscaper312 April 24, 2020 7:53 PM  

@Lab Manager
The Orville, prob closer to original Trek than any other actual Trek product, did have an episode where an officer has marital and problems because he is running hacked bootleg porn programming on their version of the holodeck and getting addicted. Refreshingly honest, even though some aspects used for laugh. Better yet, it let's an enemy virus into the ships systems. Modern Trek would never go there.

Blogger God Emperor Memes April 24, 2020 8:09 PM  

Kirk was awesome! I seem to remember a scene where a Klingon is describing him as *paraphrased* "brash, arrogant, with delusions of godhood. - You can't help but admire the man!"
Also, if enjoying T'Pol in her Mirror Universe uniform is wrong, I will never be right.

Blogger God Emperor Memes April 24, 2020 8:12 PM  

Am I the only one who thought the controversy over the Ferenghi being "Space Jews" was hilarious?

Blogger Hammerli 280 April 24, 2020 8:16 PM  

@95: Feintuch was writing about a dystopia...frankly, a nasty one. And a character study. The "science" is trash, but the character study is outstanding.

What I find interesting about this thread is how the TOS characters became enduring icons...the whole Next Generation universe didn't make a dent. Nobody wants to be Jean-Luc Picks-His-Nose. And it's clear that while the Roddenberry/Coon team could do good work, Roddenberry by himself was too much in love with his own creation to be critical.

Blogger Hammerli 280 April 24, 2020 8:25 PM  

@58: It's interesting to consider what an end-of-scarcity world would look like. But the TNG universe never really did. Doc Smith did more with a half-dozen lines in "Skylark DuQuesne" that the entire Trek franchise.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit April 24, 2020 8:43 PM  

@28 Asks what other Christian SF can be recommended.

Already noted

C.S. Lewis, The Space Trilogy
Mote in God's Eye
Midshipmans Hope series
Jon Del Arroz


John C. Wright*
Gene Wolfe
Vox Day's Quantum Motis
The SF catalog of Castalia House (Long may she reign!)I

Also:
Rust by Royden Lepp
Christopher Stasheff
Cordwainer Smith (He's the one to wgich SF cognoscenti compare John Wright's short fiction)
Zenna Henderson
Brian Niemeier

That should be good to get started


*Pre-conversion Everness and Golden Age Age are atheist.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 24, 2020 9:05 PM  

VD
All one has to know to confirm that an individual's mind is intrinsically off-balance is to learn that he's a fan of Star Trek in any iteration:


oh yes, i've been aware that i'm "off-balance" for quite some time.

at least if you're using Normiefags for reference.

i should probably get around to getting a set of TOS someday and see if it fails as hard as i'm afraid it's going too ... after all, i used to watch professional wrestling when i was < 10. but TNG and newer? bitch, please.

Blogger Dorvannnn April 24, 2020 9:22 PM  

I liked Star Trek but the older I got I realized that Gene Rodenberry never really realized the implications of the technology that Trek actually used would have on society.I think #58 got it right about what would actually happen.

Trek was basically just wish fulfilment on Gene Rodenberry's part about what he fantasized he wanted society to be---no religion, no money, socialist to the core.

And personally I think Trek improved as whole after Gene died because they could explore topics he always rejected(mostly in Deep Space Nine). DS9 never would have been able to portray Star Fleet as corrupt and cynical as they did if Gene had still been around.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit April 24, 2020 9:57 PM  

@86 Fan vs. normie or, there's a reason people remember something fondly, even though it was gutted and it's hide worn as a skin suit

Here: https://wastelandandsky.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-real-normal.html

I know too many highly capable Christian men, who if asked would say "Oh yeah, Star Trek, that used to be a neat show" Up through DS-9. The memories of that innocent pleasure are still real. The good things you remember: Courage, patriotism, humor, brotherhood were real. Never let anyone fool you into thinking the SJWs crimes didn't happen Because the thing they pissed on and mutilated was "always bad."

But there's no point in being dedicated to the rotting remains of a putrid corpse.

Blogger Akulkis April 24, 2020 10:35 PM  

"Or at least they WERE declared to be such. I’ve noticed that since the plague hit town, that stuff pretty much vanished about the same time that the studio marketing budgets disappeared.

Fancy that."

Boomers and health-unrealists dropping like flies.

TV & Hollywood forced to halt production of all wokeness.

The "circus" portion of Bread & Circuses distractions (televised sports *) shut down.

Mega-Churchianity shut down.

Many of these things grow out of habits from the normies who consume them. Now that they've been cut off from this mental junk-food diet, how many will stay off of it, or at least limit their portion sizes in the future.

I was lucky to have been sent to Saudi Arabia in 1991. Being in a theater of operations made me realize what's really important, and what's really, trivially unimportant. Let's hope that this experience has a similar effect on not only the population of the U.S., but people throughout all of Western Civilization.



(*) Note: I like sports. They give even the ordinary man a reason to stay fit, and strive for improvement. That said, ESPN and other sports networks have catered to lazy, couch potato critics who have either abandoned the field, or never stepped foot on it in the first place, but just want to be entertained and have something to gamble on.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch April 24, 2020 10:40 PM  

@23. Wow. Warhammer sounds damn awesome. I'd like to check it out after reading that article. Any advice for the best way to delve into it?

Blogger Akulkis April 24, 2020 10:55 PM  

"It's a turning point. It is not great art but it is, on the whole, decent and entertaining even nostalgic. It was progressive only in comparison to the tradition it was compelled to honor."

Look, it had all of those traditional and patriotic elements you mentioned in your build-up because, at that time, IT HAD TO SUPPORT SOCIETY'S VALUES, otherwise, it never would have been put on the air in the first place.

The devil isn't the litany of traditional American values, it's the other stuff put in there that wasn't.

The worst lies are ones which include 90% truth, because the 90% truth part is used as a solvent to get the 10% lie past a person's mental defenses. ONLY IN RETROSPECT does it look good, because you're comparing it with today's dreck. But in the 1960's, compared to what else was on, Star Trek was *THE* exemplar of cultural dreck.

[TL;DR: "What are you complaining about? This ice cream is only 10% dog droppings! It's certainly better than this other stuff that's 70% dog droppings."

Dude, what part of NO animal waste in the food and beverages do you have such difficulty understanding?]

And look at the direction in which ALL of the subsequent series have gone -- each one expanded on the 10% lie part.

I couldn't stand this show when it was shown as reruns in the 1970's -- when my brother would turn it on, it just made a rainy Saturday afternoon when we couldn't play outside just that much worse, as there's a certain dreariness.

Unfortunately, my brother has had the sorts of legal problems which correlate highly with being a Star Trek fan.

Go figure.

Blogger Macs April 24, 2020 11:01 PM  

Patrick Stewart saved Next Generation from mediocrity and the writing got better as it went. It failed only because the character-development arcs were cut short by abrupt cancellation of the final season. I firmly believe that a lot of the dystopian nonsense that leaves one with a bitter feeling surrounding the characters was just the set-up for their personal conflicts in the last season. The worse the situation the greater the triumph. But corporate greed said no.

Blogger Akulkis April 24, 2020 11:16 PM  

"Having said that, one needs to spend more time playing Panzerblitz and Squad Leader to keep it real.."

If you like those, look into the TCS series, rules written by Dean Essig of The Gamers, which(*) has been bought up by MMP.

(both the games and the company*)

Units are platoons (ground troops) and sections (armored elements).

Essig wrote two sets of tactical rules, this one (appropriate for WW2 to modern day), and the CWB (Civil War, Brigade) series, both of which are fundamentally different from any other tactical ground combat games I've ever seen -- NO unit may engage in ANY sort of offensive operations or voluntary movement without first being issued orders to do so. Without orders, the forces capabilities are only these: Stay in place, Defend in place, Retreat, or change into (but not from) a "Rest" formation (consolidated into one hex).

The "must have orders" element does two things:
1) It forces players to come up with actual plans, just like their real-life counterparts, and more or less stick with that plan (just like their counterparts' subordinates were generally stuck with doing, unless and until a failing plan is called off.)

2) Prevents opportunistic actions seen in games which rarely if ever occurred in real life (like, say, a Civil War division commander making a snap decision to attempt to force a wedge into a momentary battalion-sized break in opposing line 3 corps long. You can try it, but the rules provide a mechanism for uncoordinated actions most likely ending in failure -- if the "loose cannon" division or brigade commander doesn't pass a check by die roll, the opposing player gets to move the units participating in the proposed action for that turn.)

By putting orders into the games, Essig really advances the state of wargaming to a level that I, with 30 years of service(*) actually recognize as how wars are actually run.

(*) and as a commo guy, when not in the field with the trigger-pullers, spending nearly all my time in Command Posts/Tactical Operation Centers, with the situation maps, and those who are using and attempting to control them.

Blogger Pseudotsuga April 25, 2020 1:24 AM  

Roddenberry sold the series on the premise of "wagon train in space," I recall reading. The famous letter campaign to save the series made it Important to TruFans, and it has never recovered from its sense of overblown importance.
TNG was never wagon train in space, but DS9, I think, managed to follow that trail in places. We will overlook any other Treks, as they don't exist.

Blogger Yossarian April 25, 2020 5:54 AM  

I was a Babylon 5 fan myself.

Star Trek had the Klingons, a war-prone race. They were depicted as ugly-looking, dumb, masculine, uncouth, and impulsive.
Babylon 5 had the Centauri, a war-prone race. They were depicted as snooty, upper-class special boys, with 16th century style fancy-pants, and absurd haircuts.

It's fascinating how much writers reveal about themselves through their fiction.

Blogger Kiwi April 25, 2020 6:18 AM  

As a child, I enjoyed watching Captain Kirk, Spock, and Scottie kicking alien butt while rescuing the occasional lady. My journey ended with Kirk.

Oddly, a house we built, coincidentally I hope, had a silhouette that remarkably resembled the enterprise. We did sometimes refer to it as that.

The original Star Trek was very popular here with the high IQ, high risk, science types. They're the sort of people that literally want to blast themselves into space for some reason. Not for me thanks.

Blogger James Fox Higgins April 25, 2020 7:07 AM  

I'm a recovered Star Trek fan. TNG was a very important part of my childhood, but like the West Wing, I only really enjoyed it because it confirmed my existing political biases and utopian wishful thinking from my public school leftist indoctrination.

Once I started studying philosophy, I stopped enjoying Star Trek altogether. I wasn't even sad to see it get raped in the two new series (neither of which I could stomach watching after 1-2 episode). It, like my childhood Utopianism, deserved to die.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 25, 2020 8:36 AM  

The Imperium is an oppressive Fascist empire and the Emperor sought to abolish religion. There's nothing Christlike about any of the characters and the Imperium are not the protagonists.

Blogger tuberman April 25, 2020 9:05 AM  

Akulkis nails early Star Trek:

"The devil isn't the litany of traditional American values, it's the other stuff put in there that wasn't.

The worst lies are ones which include 90% truth, because the 90% truth part is used as a solvent to get the 10% lie past a person's mental defenses. ONLY IN RETROSPECT does it look good, because you're comparing it with today's dreck. But in the 1960's, compared to what else was on, Star Trek was *THE* exemplar of cultural dreck."

Imagine Gene Roddenberry and fellow writers literal scheming about how much Globalist Propaganda they could insert into the 'entertainment' and preach their lies on the con.

Blogger flyingtiger April 25, 2020 10:57 AM  

Everybody complains about how awful the new Star Wars is. No one has noticed that JJ Abrams has gutted the Star Trek franchise. May be no one cares anymore. Time to put Star Trek on the scrap heap.

Blogger SirHamster April 25, 2020 11:38 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:@23. Wow. Warhammer sounds damn awesome. I'd like to check it out after reading that article. Any advice for the best way to delve into it?
I've mainly enjoyed it through article trawls on the wikis. Free, and easily available on the Internet. Have never touched the tabletop games, though I have played a few of the video games (Dawn of War I & II).

I highly recommend watching the Astartes fan films.

Blogger John Bosch April 25, 2020 2:55 PM  

Luetin09's videos on YouTube are also a good starting point

Blogger doctrev April 25, 2020 3:44 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:@23. Wow. Warhammer sounds damn awesome. I'd like to check it out after reading that article. Any advice for the best way to delve into it?

If you have friends interested in tabletop gaming, I guarantee at least one of them has Warhammer figurines. It's almost axiomatic. Ask them if they'd like to play a game against you, or just see their collection. Many will let you paint some of the figurines they'll never get a chance to paint themselves.

If you like computer gaming, waitlist Total War: Warhammer. Easily the best representation of Warhammer Fantasy on the PC (medieval setting, not sci-fi, but very similar themes and ideals). Wait for a 75% off sale- you just missed one, so it may take some time. Akulkis will correctly say Total War is inferior to more realistic games, but you're interested in the themes so it's worth a shot. If you really want the 40K setting on PC, get Dawn of War and its sequel at steep discounts (avoid Dawn of War III, it's not as good). Or even just watch the Let's Plays for a typical look at those worlds.

If none of that tickles your fancy, I'm not sure many other 40K products will grab your attention, but there are a number of books as well. I don't intend to ever read them.

Blogger AbnEng April 25, 2020 4:38 PM  

Browncoats forever!

Blogger CostelloM April 26, 2020 1:22 AM  

Wrath of Kahn wasn't a good movie? Two starships tearing each other apart? As a child I loved this. The original series episode (forget the name) but it was basically "The Enemy Below" but with star ships and cloaking devices was also very good. I never obsessed over the green women they tried to put out there and economics they hinted at were genuinely stupid but they had some good stories occasionally.

Blogger Akulkis April 26, 2020 1:25 AM  

"If you have friends interested in tabletop gaming, I guarantee at least one of them has spent a small fortune on Warhammer figurines."

There, fixed it for you.


Anything based on miniatures is
a) almost always monetarily wasteful compared to cardboard chits
b) definitely wasteful of time painting all the damned things.
c) more $$$ to buy paint for the things.


The same amount of money but into wargaming boardgames would provide you with a whole panapoly of experiences.
http://www.multimanpublishing.com/ (reprints some some old AH titles (esp. ASL), purchased and prints titles by The Gamers, and others. TCS (Tactical Combat Series), OCS (Operational Combat Series) and CWB (Civil War Brigade) with RSS (Regimental Subseries)/LOB (renamed "Line of Battle) are probably the best wargames of their class out there.

http://www.clashofarmsgames.com/
http://www.gmtgames.com/
http://www.decisiongames.com/ (now reprinting a lot of SPI titles)


This store carries lots of out-of-print games from Avalon Hill, SPI, etc.
https://www.nobleknight.com/MC/WarGames

Blogger The Abe April 26, 2020 7:52 AM  

Mean Gene confected an ostensibly palatable mix of soap opera and philosophy 101, given the era it arose in. The subsequent results speak for themselves.

Malachi Martin remarked on C2C about Star Trek's paltry dearth of allegory and mythos, and puzzled slightly at its grip on people's imagination. Les Moonves and the brass at Viacom found it unsavoury and beneath contempt, other than the money it brought in. The proliferation of spin-offs in the 90s/2000s were just a pyrrhic attempt to gain ROI before it dropped dead anyway.

Despite everything, it's consumed an unseemly amount of pop cultural real estate. Especially when you consider the abundance of superior alternatives, that might have arose. One can only wonder what mix of it being simply the appeal of science fiction for people who don't like sci fi and/or the efforts of forces seen and unseen fostering it's continued survival.

Blogger flyingtiger April 26, 2020 11:00 AM  

I have only seen clips of the new Star Trek show discovery, not a complete episode. The theme of the show is that Black women should not be put into positions of authority. Am I right about this?

Blogger Technomad April 27, 2020 4:15 PM  

I'd like to see a ST iteration set in the Mirror Universe Empire. Instead of all that goody-goody nonsense about "the Prime Directive" (which, I notice, Kirk routinely blew off when the situation called for it) the Terran Empire, taking names and kicking asses across the cosmos!

And ST:TOS was originally pitched as "Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE." A lot of it was based on what RN captains, far from home and unable to communicate with London, did when the situation called for it.

As for Christianity in SF, take a look at the "Honor Harrington" books, at least the earlier ones before Honor becomes the newest member of the Trinity. Many of those feature a planet dominated by a single church...which is portrayed respectfully, with even its differences from our own practices based in the circumstances in which it exists.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis May 06, 2020 7:36 PM  

I apologize.

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