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Tuesday, April 21, 2020

The heat is on

Patreon lays off 30 people:
Creative platform Patreon  has laid off 30 employees, which is 13% of its workforce, TechCrunch has learned.

“It is unclear how long this economic uncertainty will last and therefore, to prepare accordingly, we have made the difficult decision to part ways with 13% of Patreon’s workforce,” a Patreon spokesperson said in a statement to TechCrunch. “This decision was not made lightly and consisted of several other factors beyond the financial ones.”
Several other factors indeed.... Snicker-snack.

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48 Comments:

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 21, 2020 7:35 PM  

May I take a guess at who the other (f)actors might be:
- The Legal Legion of Evil
- Corrosion through SJW-infection
- The kind of stupidity characterized by being unable to recognise your own stupidity
- And, of course, the Hand Of God!

Blogger bramley April 21, 2020 7:35 PM  

To 'part ways'? Dishonest euphemising will not save them. The way they are headed is doooooooownnnnn. Best of luck to those who made it out early.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 21, 2020 7:36 PM  

How can a decision consist of factors?

Blogger Brett baker April 21, 2020 7:36 PM  

Wonder if these were the employees responsible for getting people kicked off of Patreon?

Blogger Yossarian April 21, 2020 7:38 PM  

There's Corona-chan, then there's SDL-chan.

Blogger Unknown April 21, 2020 7:55 PM  

According to that article, Patreon had roughly 230 employees. That seems low for a company in a dominant position.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2020 8:31 PM  

They need 200 people to run a website?

Blogger turk187 April 21, 2020 9:05 PM  

What the heck does Patreon do with 230 employees?

Blogger Phelps April 21, 2020 9:07 PM  

And nothing of value was lost.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2020 9:31 PM  

Accounting and HR got together to see who's actually generating revenue, either directly or indirectly, and who is the local advocacy advocate, who spends all day writing haranguing e-mails to fellow employees in lieu of doing things that actually make a positive monetary impact.

"And then I got involuntarily detained in the mental ward for the entire weekend!" { /emke }

Blogger Unknown April 21, 2020 9:34 PM  

To run a website dealing with finanes, perhaps 30-40 people tops. Unless they have people doing outreach and community engagement with all the groups singled out for specialized treatment.

Blogger tweell April 21, 2020 9:39 PM  

I would think that 30 competent people would be all that's required to run Patreon. What are the other 200 people doing?

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 21, 2020 9:59 PM  

They should learn to code.

Blogger CostelloM April 21, 2020 10:07 PM  

...and with its head he went galumphing back.

Blogger Stacey April 21, 2020 10:22 PM  

Excellent Darkstream yesterday.

Blogger anorganicbear April 21, 2020 10:31 PM  

30 down, 200 to go.

Blogger Aetherdad April 21, 2020 10:52 PM  

heh.

Blogger TheMaleRei April 21, 2020 10:58 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:They need 200 people to run a website?

1 for the CEO
10 to clean the offices
10 to code
179 to run their Trust and Safety Council.

And of course, zero for customer service. That's done by Trust & Safety.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 21, 2020 11:05 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:They need 200 people to run a website?

At most they'd need 50, assuming a good chunk of them were accountants. They wouldn't need a very large software development team either.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) April 21, 2020 11:17 PM  

3. Gregory the Tall April 21, 2020 7:36 PM
How can a decision consist of factors?


a decision is the final result after a process of weighing and judging the facts available.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/factor
1 - one of the elements contributing to a particular result or situation:

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 21, 2020 11:41 PM  

Following on from both @6 & @7, these "powerhouses" of the latest "New Economy" don't seem to employ that many people. Mostly likely a feature not a bug.

I also wonder how many of those "employees" are in fact those contract workers that Big Tech likes so bad, yet another erosion of the viability and stability of working for a living.

Blogger Picturemaker April 21, 2020 11:43 PM  

I hear Onlyfans is hiring...

Blogger Unknown April 22, 2020 12:10 AM  

Poor Jack Cunte.

Blogger Sean April 22, 2020 12:15 AM  

I know there are made about Patreon and others, but I don't remember reading what exactly the actions the LLoE took against them. Would you be able to share this? Or is this something that must remain confidential for now?

Blogger Crew April 22, 2020 12:25 AM  

And the media is laying off people. This is great!

Blogger Up from the pond April 22, 2020 12:45 AM  

They need a fair number of employees to monitor, report, and punish customers for political infractions.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 22, 2020 1:44 AM  

I'm 100% sure Patreon has an HR Department, possibly an outreach to ____________ (insert aggrieved minority group here), and maybe a Sexual Harassment Inquisitor. These departments will be there until the bankrupt company is sold to Owen Benjamin, LLC for $1. Owen could run the whole company on his laptop with some decent software. He wouldn't even have to change his PO Box.

Blogger Seth S April 22, 2020 1:47 AM  

they should learn to code.

Blogger Tetro April 22, 2020 2:00 AM  

Not sure why Patreon doesn't have a Moozloid tranny mestizo at the helm. Something raciss afoot, perhaps?

Blogger Slippin JImmy April 22, 2020 3:11 AM  

You'd think that in the midst of a public health lockdown businesses like Patreon would actually be enjoying revenue growth.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 22, 2020 3:18 AM  

@ furor etc. and so on
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/consist
"to be made up or composed"
A decision can be based on the consideration of factors, but it cannot consist of them. Something that contributes cannot be the material of a thing. The heat of the oven and the stirring or kneading of the dough are factors that contribute to making bread or cake, but neither cake nor bread consist of them.

Blogger VD April 22, 2020 5:13 AM  

Would you be able to share this? Or is this something that must remain confidential for now?

As detailed in CORPORATE CANCER, Mr. Owen Benjamin filed for arbitration against them. As have a number of his supporters... among others.

Blogger roundeye April 22, 2020 7:46 AM  

It is kinda standard. They have a website and can process credit cards. Servers probably run via AWS or the ilk. You need a couple of guys to do that. Management. Outsource cleaning the office to third world Helots. The rest are probably user wranglers.

I read about four years ago Fitbit hired their 300th employee. And they make physical objects - which I would never own but that is that.

Blogger Karen took the Kids April 22, 2020 8:16 AM  

13% of employees gone. They must have been the ones committing 50% of the crimes.

Blogger Sean April 22, 2020 9:41 AM  

As detailed in CORPORATE CANCER, Mr. Owen Benjamin filed for arbitration against them. As have a number of his supporters... among others.

Thanks! A few things I've always been curious about, would be great if VD or someone can help me on this.

1) I remember VD and/or Mike Cernovich talking about "tortious interference". Is tortious interference a justification for arbitration or could tortious interference be used to hit these companies in a civil case, and arbitration brought about by other means?

2) I remember posts by VD talking about tech companies changing their terms or use. If they do so, will they successfully prevent arbitration and the situation such as Patreon is now facing?

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 22, 2020 10:04 AM  

I can't help but laugh.

Not so much at the people being fired but Patreon's reaction. They are sending out mass emails to people they #Canceled begging them to come back in the name of artistry.

So many people I know got screwed by this and now Patreon is coming around to them going, "Hey buddy! Long time, no see! How are you doing? We should talk."

You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2020 10:08 AM  

"You'd think that in the midst of a public health lockdown businesses like Patreon would actually be enjoying revenue growth."

You're making the rash assumption that a net-tech company run by millenials has ANY competence outside of the IT department.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 22, 2020 10:09 AM  

tweell wrote:I would think that 30 competent people would be all that's required to run Patreon. What are the other 200 people doing?

Competent. I think there is a problem with an underlying assumption.

Blogger Crew April 22, 2020 10:25 AM  

Heh, looks like the gravy train is going to end for Universities and their stupid diversity bullshit as well!

Arizona Law School Dean: Due To COVID-19, International Student Enrollment 'Is Not Going To Slow Down—It’s Going To Shut'

Blogger crescent wrench April 22, 2020 10:39 AM  

Brett baker wrote:Wonder if these were the employees responsible for getting people kicked off of Patreon?

Unlikely.

By the time SJW's are kicking out the customers responsible for revenue publicly, they have full power over the back office.

I expect the "factors" considered in firing those 30 were things like "feminist, but still believe in biology" or those whose vision of "social justice" considers Israel a right and just compensation to the jewish people for the atrocities of WWII

These are the more insidious wrong-thinkers who are not with "the program" and are now purged.

Blogger Hoyabembe April 22, 2020 11:13 AM  

That Patreon CEO looks like the kind of jerk who starts playing acoustic guitar in a dive bar and makes it all about him while you're just trying to talk to your buddy.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 22, 2020 11:24 AM  

Let this go on until Patreon only consists of factors and there is no substance left.

Blogger Nostromo April 22, 2020 11:39 AM  

With 52 fluid genders, and rising, you gotta make a lot of diversity hires to make that quota!

Blogger Aeroschmidt April 22, 2020 12:28 PM  

What you would want the company to be is a pass through entity. What it has to do to stay open is "know your customer" bullshit required by federal law.

It's better that people patronize directly.

Blogger Section 8A April 22, 2020 12:34 PM  

I hope they didn't offend anyone while parting ways.

Blogger crescent wrench April 22, 2020 4:48 PM  

@44

With the "de-banking" movement gaining steam, I forsee a great number of caribbean style "po box" corporations showing up in North Dakota where the bank is state owned and subject to first amendment lawsuits.

I'm honestly surprised this is not already a thing.

Blogger Kraemer April 22, 2020 5:06 PM  

1) Tortious interference is illegal in most jurisdictions, although the precise definitions vary. However, due to the delocalized nature of these businesses, that's already an interesting loophole.
2) Yes-ish. It can certainly prevent a fraction of the current situation from repeating itself. However, not too much of it. The thing is, once money changes hands, the full force of contract law kicks in, and that cannot be ToS'ed away as easily.

Blogger SirHamster April 22, 2020 6:22 PM  

Sean wrote:1) I remember VD and/or Mike Cernovich talking about "tortious interference". Is tortious interference a justification for arbitration or could tortious interference be used to hit these companies in a civil case, and arbitration brought about by other means?

2) I remember posts by VD talking about tech companies changing their terms or use. If they do so, will they successfully prevent arbitration and the situation such as Patreon is now facing?


1. TI is a type of legal damage, which when proven to the authorities gives you legal right to demand compensation from the people who caused the legal damage, under said authority.

A claim of TI is cause for arbitration. You don't need a justification to justify an arbitration or a lawsuit. But you should have a solid claim backed up with evidence and the law so that your lawsuit or arbitration resolves in your favor.


2. Arbitration is being used because the terms of use these companies have forced on their users demand that all legal complaints go through arbitration first. The alternative is that these companies get sued with lawsuits.

It is impossible for terms of use to prevent legal remedies like lawsuits or arbitration. That's not allowed by the law. The reason arbitration is being used here is because the terms of use promise that the company will pay the arbitration fees.

The only thing that a company can do to prevent the situation of Patreon is to act in the interests of their users and customers. Satisfied customers aren't paying money to destroy your business.

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