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Thursday, April 23, 2020

The nature of the conflict

The Saker always has interesting and informative analyses, but the one thing he simply can't seem to grasp is the nature of the struggle between Team Trump and the Deep State. I find this strange, since he clearly grasps the idea that there is no singular and unitary ruling elite in the West, but rather, a class of predatory rivals constantly jockeying for position:
A quick study of history shows that when exploiting elites are doing great, they all faithfully support each other, but when things start to go south, they immediately turn on each other. The best recent example of this phenomenon is the schism in the US ruling elites who, since the election of Trump, have immediately turned on each other and are now viciously fighting like “spiders in a can” (to use a Russian expression). In fact, this is so true that it can even be used as a very reliable diagnostic tool: when your enemies are all united, then they are probably confident in their victory, but as soon as they turn on each other, you *know* that things are looking very bad for your opponents. Likewise, we now see how southern Europeans are getting really angry with their northern “EU allies” (Macron seems to be falling in line behind Trump even if he uses a more careful and diplomatic language). Finally, the way the US CIA has one foreign policy, the Pentagon another and Foggy Bottom one of its own (even if limited to sanctions and finger-pointing) tells you pretty much all you need to know to see how deep the systemic crisis of the Empire has become.
My suspicion is that since the Saker is not a religious man, he does not understand the nature of the vicious fighting is quite literally a battle between good and evil, between those who worship the Christian God the Father and those who serve the god of this world.

It's a war between those who would protect children and those who prey upon them. Which is why we can be confident that the Saker's narrow focus on traditional foreign policy tends to lead him astray; President Trump is the only reason that the USA is not already at war with Russia, China, and Iran.

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Blogger Jeroth April 23, 2020 10:31 AM  

I wish the war with China part was something the MAGA crowd understood. Amazing to see how many of them follow the neocons straight into drum beating for it. Learning is truly not possible with most people.

Blogger Pope Cleophus I April 23, 2020 10:33 AM  

I have read some of his analysis regarding the situation in Donbass. He seems to have a good grasp of the situation and the various factions, but his analysis and predictions in this area are only somewhat better than reading Ukrainian media sources. What talent he has in collecting and assessing situational facts, he lacks in equal measure in being able to understand the big picture.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 23, 2020 10:35 AM  

Dear Vox, for all I know the Saker is religious. He has written a lot of articles about Orthodox Christianity in the past. Only in the last few years his blog has let us say "changed" and is fairly full of praise for communism and socialism. He also seems to understand the concept of a fifth column quite well as he keeps on describing Putin's fight against the oligarchs and what the Saker calls the "Atlanticists" in Russia.

Blogger Weak April 23, 2020 10:36 AM  

The actual history of this Invisible War will be fascinating. I hope there is an honest scribe in the Trump Administration who is capturing this for posterity.

Blogger Jeff Wood April 23, 2020 10:46 AM  

"Spiders in a can"

A lovely expression. The British equivalent is "Ferrets in a sack".

Blogger BillHinDaytona April 23, 2020 10:54 AM  

"President Trump is the only reason that the USA is not already at war with Russia, China, and Iran."

The Deep State through Obama cut a deal with Iran, sold out the country for Chinese money, and Obama made real overtures to Russia and mocked Romney for opposing Russia.

I don't understand. The Deep State clearly wanted all three on board.

What am I missing?

Blogger brbrophy April 23, 2020 11:04 AM  

I was thinking the same thing @Vox. There is a fundamental divide between good & evil people tend to forget about. Trump wants to build. Others just want to control.

Blogger Daniel April 23, 2020 11:22 AM  

The religion theory is interesting, but even if true, I can not grasp how the Saker can, through any filter in his otherwise polished analysis, believe Trump's masters are the neocons. That's like saying D'Artagnan's master is the Cardinal because D'Artagnan hasn't killed him. In what secular hysteria are wily enemies viewed as lieges and vassals? I guess the "darkly lens" goes entirely black outside the Kingdom!

Blogger Crush Limbraw April 23, 2020 11:33 AM  

I have noticed this limiting factor with several writers I follow who have an excellent grasp of DaDeepState, but hit the DaWall of spiritual discernment. Although most of them are non-believers, it also affects Christians as they limit spiritual battles to individual concerns.
DaLimbraw Library has a pretty good compilation of articles by various authors here that relate to Ephesians 6:12 - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2019/07/what-happened-to-church-in-america-here.html?m=0 - takes some follow up reading, but it sure is confirming for me the spiritual battle that is going on - if we have eyes to see!

Blogger Damelon Brinn April 23, 2020 11:33 AM  

What am I missing?

The Deep State didn't want full-out WWIII between the US and Russia or China, at least not yet. But they definitely wanted proxy wars between them in places like Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea, which they intended to manage and profit from on both sides. Trump has kept us out of several such wars.

Keep in mind that the DS assets in each country are not the same thing as its government, though they may control it to a large extent. Obama shipping cash to certain individuals in Iran doesn't mean his bosses don't want a war between the US and Iran.

Blogger LAZ April 23, 2020 11:35 AM  

"I don't understand. The Deep State clearly wanted all three on board.

What am I missing?"

These people have no allegiance except to themselves. To them, friends are just stepping stones. As an example, look at all the Clinton confidants who are dead.

Blogger Mathias April 23, 2020 11:42 AM  

@Jeff Wood,

I wonder why the author opted for that instead of the far more familiar American version of the aphorism : "Crabs in a bucket".

Blogger Martel April 23, 2020 11:48 AM  

@11.

Iraq and Afghanistan. What the devil gives out he wants back, and he likes to use war and blood to get it.

Blogger [Redacted] April 23, 2020 11:50 AM  

At some point, in talking with friends on the nature of the adversary, language itself becomes a barrier to fully convey its nature. The modern rationalist dialectic was deliberately neutered, and eventually a theological perspective, rich in allegory and myth-history will reassert itself. It is more efficient. In absence of a firmer Christian presence, you see liberals extrapolating their morality from Harry Potter and To Kill A Mockingbird, and misguided conservatives stagnating as they fight against this process and remain unable to convey important concepts. It is the Tower of Babel. God willing, he will see it.

Blogger Grooveware April 23, 2020 12:01 PM  

And also avoided a war with North Korea just shows you how evil those on the left are demonising the the man for wanting to protect his borders and not wanting a world war with Putin.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 23, 2020 12:13 PM  

Mathias wrote:I wonder why the author opted for that instead of the far more familiar American version of the aphorism : "Crabs in a bucket".
Crabs in a bucket just keep each other in the bucket. Spiders in a can are actually fighting? Also, TS is a bit of a Russophile.

Blogger Joe Smith April 23, 2020 12:22 PM  

This is a difficult thing. I can say from personal experience that admitting to myself material evil actually exists forced me to also admit that God exists. That ultimately requires a person to change their whole mental framework, which is humbling. It means you've been wrong for a long time.

Blogger Stilicho April 23, 2020 12:25 PM  

China is at war with the US and has been for a long time (whether the US wants or recognizes that war). We are only discussing the current level of that conflict along with the appropriate retaliation and proprtionality of our response.

Ignoring the attacks of a near peer power is not a viable option no matter how much libertarians and pacifists wish it were so.

Blogger Kraemer April 23, 2020 1:02 PM  

The supermajority of Chinese war efforts are done with the permission and active compliance of the US government. Think fentanyl and labor outsourcing and academic espionage. Takes but some good old-fashioned isolationism to stop China's rise

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 23, 2020 1:06 PM  

I wonder if a bowtie can spin fast enough to gain flight?
"But Vox, who are we to judge what evil is? The term itself is very subjective! We should just withhold judgement and let Jesus decide! Tee hee".
Hmmm.. I did feel a little lighter there.

Blogger tuberman April 23, 2020 1:13 PM  

@DB

I often agree with you, but:

"The Deep State didn't want full-out WWIII between the US and Russia or China, at least not yet. But they definitely wanted proxy wars between them in places like Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea, which they intended to manage and profit from on both sides. Trump has kept us out of several such wars."

I believe there was several signs the DS was getting ready for all-out WWIII, and with Russia being the goat. (((They))) hate Russia, in spite of often trying to use them. There was tons of evidence suggesting just this, and that it was HRC job To move it in that direction using The Uranium that moved through Canada to start that war (Uranium One was to have a Russian signature).

Blogger ZhukovG April 23, 2020 1:19 PM  

@BillHinDaytona: They would not intend to start WWIII, but that is what their wickedness would achieve.

Blogger ZhukovG April 23, 2020 1:25 PM  

I like The Saker, and, in case it isn't obvious, am a bit of a Russophile(that ain't dirty, is it?) myself.

But he has a real blind spot where President Trump's war against the Deep State is concerned. I see signs that the GE and Tsar Vladimir the Great are most likely acting in cooperation, but must conceal it.

When you fight an invisible foe, your alliances must oft be well hidden.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger SCBen April 23, 2020 1:26 PM  

I do believe the majority of PRESIDENT TRUMP'S supporters do not want a war with ANYONE! We simply what the USA to be safe and prosperous and for other nations to be the same. It's a shame that there are so many evil people around who would rather destroy others than build their own! PRESIDENT TRUMP is showing them they can do better and SURVIVE by putting their nations first.

Blogger crescent wrench April 23, 2020 2:07 PM  

Jeroth wrote:I wish the war with China part was something the MAGA crowd understood. Amazing to see how many of them follow the neocons straight into drum beating for it. Learning is truly not possible with most people.

Keep in mind the same rhetoric is required during the first few yards to push de-coupling as would be used to push war.

Public sentiment must be strong enough to force financially-conflicted legislators into the position of choosing between their positions of power and their pocketbooks.

Once it reaches the point economic de-coupling is feasible, MAGA breaks in that direction leaving the David French brigade twisting in the wind with no popular backing.

Blogger Stilicho April 23, 2020 2:29 PM  

I think we can all agree that corona chan has created an inflection point (schwerpunkt) in the war betwee nationalism and globalism and that we need to exploit it fully against the globalist. That exploitation will also disrupt various and sundry deep state machinations as well (whether tied directly to globohomo or not).

While we are at it, let's put the Navy to use inspecting any ships bound for our ports from China (dierect or indirect route) for the chinese virus. Detection of which will result in immediate forfeiture of ship and cargo to US.

Blogger stevo April 23, 2020 3:12 PM  

I also fervently hope that some Obama era scribe will do the same.

Blogger stevo April 23, 2020 3:14 PM  

The deep state wants Russia on board. Obama tried...

Blogger stevo April 23, 2020 3:18 PM  

One thing I noticed a long time ago. Good and evil seems obvious to Christians, and an easy litmus test is abortion. Before my conversion abortion was not on my radar at all. But afterwards its evil was completely apparent.

Blogger Ingemar April 23, 2020 3:25 PM  

Physical war with China is an overreaction and, I reckon, exactly what the Cabal wants.

If a merchant is selling you crappy, defective goods, you don't go to his house and set it on fire while he and his family are asleep. No, you stop buying his goods and warn others about his shoddy products.

This is an oversimplification of course. What's missing in this analogy is the shuttering of the US industrial capacity at the behest of our elites as well as all the fuckery that has happened since then. But I think the analogy encapsulates the best course of action and describes the strategy that GEOTUS is taking.

Blogger Ann April 23, 2020 3:41 PM  

As usual, they are forgetting the lessons of history, if they were ever taught those lessons in the the first place.

Blogger Jeroth April 23, 2020 3:55 PM  

@25 Good point. The trick will be not letting them get away with decoupling with China only to transfer everything to India. And just the other day Ted Cruz was saying we should rely on Israel for drugs instead of China. It's like negotiating with a crack head who promise to clean up his act by moving to straight cocaine.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 23, 2020 3:59 PM  

VD wrote:

there is no singular and unitary ruling elite in the West, but rather, a class of predatory rivals constantly jockeying for position

You see, THIS is why I come to this blog.

Precision prose getting to the heart of the matter in 25 words or less.

Worth skipping over all the comic book stuff to which I haven't been paying attention.

Blogger Scuzzaman April 23, 2020 4:13 PM  

When things are going well for the elite the illusion of their rule as inevitable and unassailable is convincing, unmarred by any suggestions of weakness that might cause or be caused by internecine power struggles.

When things are not going well these inherent flaws in the rule of evil become more obvious.

This explains the Saker's observed patterns far better than anything he described in the linked article. It also relates to observed patterns of human history, for irrespective of the character of the king their kingdom is inherently limited by both their own lifespan and the inevitable corruption of their offspring that occurs as a consequence of those children being born into power and privilege rather than earning it.

See Belshazzar, grandson and heir of Nebuchadnezzar, or Prince Charles or James Packer or Lachlan Murdoch - none of whom had/have half the strength of character of their parents.

See also Ecclesiastes 2: 18 & 19
Yea, I hated all my labour which I had taken under the sun: because I should leave it unto the man that shall be after me.
And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool? yet shall he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have shewed myself wise under the sun. This is also vanity.


History strongly suggests that the son of the mighty is most often a fool.

Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2020 4:13 PM  

@2

I'm pretty sure that the Saker's inability to see the big picture with regard to the Donbass and other Ukraine/Russia issues is because he's a Ukie.

I don't know for sure that he's a Ukie, but what evidence we have makes me believe he is.

Understand this ... Ukraine is the homeland of all of the Rus'... they are all one people, divided by a difference in tolerance levels for government corruption, with Belorus being most tolerant of such (they STILL have a Stalin/Beria-ist government), and Russia the least tolerant.

Blogger Lazarus April 23, 2020 4:29 PM  

Stilicho wrote:Detection of which will result in immediate forfeiture of ship and cargo to US.

They can use test kits supplied by the CDC. Should be a good haul.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 23, 2020 5:07 PM  

Hopefully out of the ashes will rise a code among men that eschews clamoring for wars that they themselves cannot or will not fight.
And that should also be the end of women who cannot be drafted getting to vote for those who can start wars.
I don't think, or could try, to fathom the depths of evil but instead to wonder at, with much disgust, how so many people are to evil and corruption like moths to a flame. We wondered why we're neck deep in gammas, but what machine is cranking out so much evil?

Blogger Joe Smith April 23, 2020 5:11 PM  

Worth skipping over all the comic book stuff to which I haven't been paying attention.

What a telling aside.

Blogger tuberman April 23, 2020 5:28 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:VD wrote:

there is no singular and unitary ruling elite in the West, but rather, a class of predatory rivals constantly jockeying for position

You see, THIS is why I come to this blog.

Precision prose getting to the heart of the matter in 25 words or less.

Worth skipping over all the comic book stuff to which I haven't been paying attention.


No, this was VD's setup. He was stating the obvious, or what most people on here know very well, so he could get at the crux of the matter: "My suspicion is that since the Saker is not a religious man, he does not understand the nature of the vicious fighting is quite literally a battle between good and evil, between those who worship the Christian God the Father and those who serve the god of this world."

You constantly treat the Cuck obvious stuff, of the kind that most neocons might present, for example -- Ben Shapiro, as if it's important, when it is low hanging fruit at best.

"It's a war between those who would protect children and those who prey upon them." The attack on the innocent by Satanists is real, and the best reveal of Evil, but you gloss over that. Why?! Is this second part your idea of 'comic book stuff' that you don't pay attention too?

"It's about the children."

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 23, 2020 5:43 PM  

The best parallel is the Mafia. Despite all their talk about omerta and onore, they'll whack each other in a second if there's a dollar in it, or just out of petty spite.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 23, 2020 5:58 PM  

I wouldn't really care about the comic book stuff, except that we have a culture war to win, and Castalia House is one of the very few orgs on God's side that are actually fighting that war, and the comics are a front where nobody else is fighting. Reports from the comic book front are worth reading, even though I really don't care about comics.

Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2020 6:24 PM  

"I hope there is an honest scribe in the Trump Administration who is capturing this [Invisible War] posterity."

15 years from now, you'll start to see memoirs published, akin to those autobiographical accounts written by participated in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam.

Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2020 6:32 PM  

"I wonder why the author opted for that instead of the far more familiar American version of the aphorism : "Crabs in a bucket"."

Because he's Slavic. Probably a Ukie, less likely a Russian or Belorussian.

15 years from now, you'll start to see memoirs published, akin to those autobiographical accounts written by participated in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam.

Blogger Gen. Kong April 23, 2020 6:38 PM  

Mathias wrote:

@Jeff Wood,

I wonder why the author opted for that instead of the far more familiar American version of the aphorism : "Crabs in a bucket".


Probably because he's a Russian who's been living in the USA for a long time (60s or 70s as I recall). I agree he's got a blindspot about Trump but I would attribute to a kind of laziness more than religion (He's practicing Russian Orthodox form what I've read). He's missing the forest and focusing only on the trees. For example....

Daniel wrote:

The religion theory is interesting, but even if true, I can not grasp how the Saker can, through any filter in his otherwise polished analysis, believe Trump's masters are the neocons. That's like saying D'Artagnan's master is the Cardinal because D'Artagnan hasn't killed him. In what secular hysteria are wily enemies viewed as lieges and vassals? I guess the "darkly lens" goes entirely black outside the Kingdom!


If you look at Trump's three years as "God-Emperor" (a term which is profoundly ironic given his near powerlessness over the folks he supposedly commands) and pay no attention to what has not taken place (e.g. war with Russia and/or China just for openers), the view that Trump is yet another Repuke sockpuppet for Neo-Clowns makes sense at a certain level.

He's appointed scores of Neo-Clowns and Deep-State operatives to high positions - then acts surprised when they betray him. Bolton, Matthis, Pompeo - the list is near endless. Chief among the roster is his own Son-in-Law - a Chabad Satanist whose religion's goal and objective is the subversion, inversion and destruction of Christianity (who basically gutted the immigration halt just announced). Either Trump has very little actual control or it's as Saker says (except far worse).

The reaction of the Deep State clowns and assorted known bad actors to Trump argues against Saker's position as does the failure of some grand Neo-Clown dreams of world war. This is not Saker's only blind spot. He's also quite wrong on nationalism and it's legitimacy vis-a-vis Christianity (as is E. Michael Jones, by the way - who made the profoundly stupid claim that a negro can be Polish). This is another type of magic-dirt theory. By the same logic a man can become a woman, etc. Perhaps being in the USA so long has caused some Boomertard notions to rub off on the man.

This is not to say one should ignore either Saker or Jones when they make good points and provide good analysis. None of us is perfect and we all have blind spots.

Blogger Gen. Kong April 23, 2020 6:50 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:

I wonder if a bowtie can spin fast enough to gain flight?

"But Vox, who are we to judge what evil is? The term itself is very subjective! We should just withhold judgement and let Jesus decide! Tee hee".

Hmmm.. I did feel a little lighter there.


Helicopter bowties for those in dire need of one-way chopper rides.... Wonder if some of the numerous Chinese drones used by the various Polizei and Stasi here in Kwa-Bananaland could be hooked up to some bowties? Neither needs to come back once they're on their way.

Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2020 7:17 PM  

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Blogger tuberman April 23, 2020 7:47 PM  

@41 OC

" Reports from the comic book front are worth reading, even though I really don't care about comics."

Hmm, you took him only literally. I did take him literally, yet I think he meant more than literal comic books. I think he meant, using a type of snark, that there is much worth ignoring on this blog (anything he disagrees with), including 'conspiracy theory' material. Who knows -- just my guess. Ya know, Alt-Hero and Alt-Hero Q are Conspiracy Rhetoric. Reaching kids with these comics is huge.

Blogger sammibandit April 23, 2020 9:08 PM  

Understand this ... Ukraine is the homeland of all of the Rus'... they are all one people, divided by a difference in tolerance levels for government corruption, with Belorus being most tolerant of such (they STILL have a Stalin/Beria-ist government), and Russia the least tolerant.

There's never been a kingdom of Ukraine.

Blogger RedJack April 23, 2020 9:52 PM  

What was conspiracy theories years ago are facts now.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 23, 2020 10:27 PM  

You guys kill me.

It was a bit of inside joke.

When Vox mentioned -- I can't remember exactly what he said -- something about that comics weren't important to him as an intellectual endeavor (or something to that effect, I am not going back to confirm because I am too busy watching the NFL draft right now), he said I wasn't "paying attention."

And he was right, which he normally is. I wasn't paying attention to THAT.

So really, do us all a favor and give it up, why doncha?

Of course, unless you get a hard on by calling somebody a cuck. Then by all means carry on. Don't want to deprive you of your pleasure, minuscule as it might be.

Blogger Daniel April 23, 2020 11:47 PM  

Mathias wrote:@Jeff Wood,

I wonder why the author opted for that instead of the far more familiar American version of the aphorism : "Crabs in a bucket".


Simple. The Saker is not an American.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 24, 2020 12:10 AM  

@47 tuberman, even on the literal level, that snark struck me as wrong-headed.

Blogger Akulkis April 24, 2020 12:18 AM  

"I wonder why the author opted for that instead of the far more familiar American version of the aphorism : "Crabs in a bucket"."

Because he's Slavic. Probably a Ukie, less likely a Russian or Belorussian.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 24, 2020 3:07 AM  

@KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia
Try Jeeves on Webtoons, it might change your mind.

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 9:49 AM  

Any "popular backing" for the bowties and RINOs is artificial and amplified in Mockingbird MSM to appear significant beyond the left coast

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 9:53 AM  

"the inevitable corruption of their offspring that occurs as a consequence of those children being born into power and privilege rather than earning it"
Definitely not just the children of kings/queens in the past.

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 9:56 AM  

television PROGRAMMING.
Or maybe that's just the particular primary outlet for the last century. By whom is that programming dictated...

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 10:00 AM  

I find myself grinning whenever Vox shares a link to WebToons and when I click it and I visually encounter the growing presence of ArkHaven. Vox & Co. are the real alt-heroes. And I am not a real fan of that particular form of storytelling. But telling stories is how humanity has always communicated the good the beautiful ans the true, despite format snobbery.

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 10:03 AM  

Jeremy from The Quartering has a hat, "Meme War Veteran".
Remember we all can be archivists and historians. Or rather *should* be. Our children and grandchildren deserve it, and will need it.

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 10:06 AM  

Reaching the minds and hearts of children before they are cold calculating adult law makers and law enforcers and teachers and writers is *crucial*.

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 10:07 AM  

Alex Jones said nothing wrong
;-)

Blogger Darren April 24, 2020 10:08 AM  

DO YOU DENY the Magic Dirt theory? :-)

Blogger Akulkis April 24, 2020 12:35 PM  

"There's never been a kingdom of Ukraine."

There was a Tsar'dom of Kiev before the Mongols came.

Blogger Boaty Bear April 24, 2020 11:50 PM  

I'm hoping Mel Gibson is directing the Movie.

Casting BB as Flynn.
Vox (+ a wig) as Adm Rodgers

& St Efan as Loretta Lynch (progressive enough?)

Blogger Kiwi April 25, 2020 2:08 AM  

I don't know who this guy is but he doesn't sound like he's American.

I might have to put Russia back into my conspiracy equation.

Blogger Akulkis April 25, 2020 12:58 PM  

Russia is a country with which we should be putting much effort into strengthening our relationship.

The father of Russia's ocean-going navy is none other than John Paul Jones (of Revolutionary War "I have not yet begun to fight!" fame).

During the Civil War, Russia's Pacific fleet spent every winter in California ports in support of the U.S. staying united.

When Russia wanted to sell Alaska, the most obvious country to go would have been the U.K., or more specifically Canada.

Instead, they sold it to the U.S.

The only time we've had differences with the rulers of Russia was during the period when it was hijacked by (((Communists))): 1917-1991.

Blogger John Rockwell April 26, 2020 7:19 AM  

The same evil that likes to prey on children loves the Holodomor where Stalin starved Millions of Ukrainians to Death or the massacres carried out by Chairman Mao.

Its the same mindset with the same demonic backing.

If starving people to death and Gulags is nothing. Of course preying of children is nothing to them likewise.

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