Friday, May 08, 2020

A chapter ends

A homeschooling father writes to express his appreciation after successfully homeschooling of his boys:
Fourteen years ago I wrote to see what advice you and the Voxologisti could provide a family embarking on homeschooling:

The youngest of my three sons just completed his homeschooling this month, closing out this chapter of our family's story.  We're grateful for all the encouragement and suggestions we received through your site, and the wonderful community we discovered through the experience of homeschooling.  The road is challenging, but full of blessing.

It was amusing in the early years when I'd have the boys with me in the hardware store during school hours (field trip!).  The odd looks from strangers sometimes made me wonder if they wished they could call a childcatcher.  What annoyed me most was the constant "aren't you worried about their socialization?"  After the first few times I began replying "no, because I'm not raising them to be socialists."  That usually ended the conversation quickly.

My older two are nearly finished learning trades (welding and physical therapy).  Like his older brothers, my youngest will work full time for a while before making a decision about training/education.  My wife and I are proud of the young men they're becoming.

Our thanks to you and the Vox Popoli community.
It's always good to hear the happy endings. But man, have we really been doing this for so long....

That doesn't seem right.

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Blogger Azimus May 08, 2020 9:17 PM  

@JT - well done sir! Three more men who will never know the fear of indecision when confronting an unknown, three more men who will spend more time fixing an issue themselves than whining impotently to some "authority" to fix it, three more men who will roll up their sleeves, and turn to face the danger, rather than find a way to hide from it or get along with it. Well done indeed!

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2020 9:23 PM  

What annoyed me most was the constant "aren't you worried about their socialization?" After the first few times I began replying "no, because I'm not raising them to be socialists."

I am stealing that. Its perfect.

Blogger Fargoth May 08, 2020 9:32 PM  

That question, "aren't you worried about socialization?" is getting easier and easier for homeschoolers to answer.

Blogger lowercaseb May 08, 2020 9:48 PM  

3 new citizens that we can entrust the future to. That's pretty damn impressive. Well done JT!

Blogger R Devere May 08, 2020 9:59 PM  

Performing good works is fun!

And....Time flies when you're having fun!

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 08, 2020 10:10 PM  

Vox, I know that your commenter community can be annoying at times, and, hey, I would confess that I have been annoying at times as well, but when I read missives like this that you get, we should all realize it's not about me, or even about you, but about the directional ideas, details or specifics notwithstanding.

Lights in the darkness. Lights we should admire and celebrate.

Keep doing it. As long as you can.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 08, 2020 10:12 PM  

Excellent to read. Thanks for posting something positive in this sea of garbage.
As for you doing this a long time, I still remember reading your WND columns during Ws 1st term. I think some of your current readers weren't even born then.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 08, 2020 10:20 PM  

"no, because I'm not raising them to be socialists."


Blogger Cy True May 08, 2020 11:06 PM  

Thinking about home schooling as well.

Blogger Jad May 08, 2020 11:22 PM  

I've got twin 9 months old and am looking for the same advice! I know it's early days yet but the school system is so much worse now in Victoria, Australia than even 14 years ago. With all the trans, gender fluidity and satanic mind control not to mention sexual and physical abuse... No thank you!

Blogger L May 08, 2020 11:33 PM  

I found Vox Popoli from a link at Steve Sailer's blog in, I think, 2008 or so. Hard to believe. I too followed Vox's recc and homeschooled one daughter for HS and it worked out well.

Blogger The CronoLink May 08, 2020 11:36 PM  

When we want time to go a bit slower, it never does. God bless that man and his family.

Blogger Nate May 08, 2020 11:45 PM  

Been longer than that homie. Jeb is 17 now.

Blogger A rebel without a General May 09, 2020 12:01 AM  

Well that aged well I am happy for that man's family.

Blogger Creepingsancy May 09, 2020 12:02 AM  

It's been forever, I've be here since odd 6 or so. Just so you know, I credit you with helping me net a wife. thank you vox, and God bless you

Blogger Unknownsailor May 09, 2020 12:21 AM  

Yes, Vox, it has been that long. I turn 49 this year, I know just how you feel. Every year before I retired from the Navy the new kids looked younger and younger.

Blogger Nihil Dicit May 09, 2020 1:01 AM  

"What annoyed me most was the constant "aren't you worried about their socialization?" After the first few times I began replying "no, because I'm not raising them to be socialists." "

That's a keeper.

Blogger stevev May 09, 2020 2:03 AM  

I wish all the best to homeschoolers. Their children are worth it. You strike me as least likely to falter in hope or determination, but I'll give you this encouragement anyway. Stay strong, Vox and SB. You're advancing His kingdom, and everywhere I see evidence of this I rejoice.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 09, 2020 2:10 AM  

Your discussions about homeschooling were THE push that drove my wife and I to do it. It wasn't friends. Wasn't family. Wasn't church. It was this blog, right here.

We're not even halfway done with this, but we're well into teaching our little tribe how to read, write, do math, and be good people. I look forward to that Junior Collier Classics set.

The way things are going, I can confidently say that this will have been a fruitful and good decision.

Blogger Gregory the Tall May 09, 2020 3:01 AM  

"But man, have we really been doing this for so long...."
The truth is not changed by time.

Blogger Tetro May 09, 2020 3:25 AM  

Wow, that's awesome.

These things matter. Those boys will have 100 times more peace and confidence, and will far more easily attract marriageable girls. The girl part will come without having to chase or even lift a finger.

Good on them, Vox, and other homeschoolers out there.

Blogger MichaelJMaier May 09, 2020 3:33 AM  

"School" is such an abnormal place for humans. I want a wife who will homeschool our kids and I use the "socialists" statement whenever someone mentions that idiocy.

Some years back, I was minding my own business, watching a baseball game at Hooters and my waitress was bored and kept interrupting. Place was dead, so eventually I took pity on her and talked to her.

One of the very few times I could say that I found a female who was really engaging in conversation.

Turns out she was homeschooled.

I immediately teased her about that: ".... and it obviously crippled your social skills!"

But she conspicuously mentioned a boyfriend early in the conversation. These days, I would have ignored that remark as a likely lie, but back then, I didn't know better..... ah, c'est la vie.

Blogger Jamie-R May 09, 2020 4:19 AM  

Yeah and when I was shooting guns with Nate his boy was 7 and now my boy is about to turn 7. How naive was our political discourse in the time of Bush and post-9/11 vs Trump's ability to Bill Cooper us all into the farthest right of militia-minded Americans. Innocence is definitely gone, we're no longer debating merit & Austrian school, we've all been 'subjects' of much grander schemes that were never about finding the optimal ways. It's pretty gay.

Blogger Tetro May 09, 2020 5:22 AM  

MichaelJMaier wrote:"School" is such an abnormal place for humans.

I think this is the best argument/rhetoric for normies out there. It's so much easier and effective for homeschooling advocates to just keep saying this instead of engaging in long-winded and potentially emotional conversation with normies about the topic. The normies get lost in their fears and establishment-approved sophistry.

Modern schooling is abnormal. There is nothing human or normal about it. It is abnormal for children and young adults, with loads of physical and mental energy, to spend hours sitting down and being passive. That is now how true learning happens.

Everyone knows learning happens most effectively through doing and repetition.

Blogger Silent Draco May 09, 2020 6:31 AM  

Congratulations and prayers of thanksgiving to be offered, sir.

Vox, the living spirit of St. Thomas Aquinas will look on your post, smile, and express his satisfaction to Aristotle. Some rides started longer ago than expected.

Blogger Tetro May 09, 2020 6:46 AM  

Jamie-R wrote:we've all been 'subjects' of much grander schemes that were never about finding the optimal ways.


Blogger Karen took the Kids May 09, 2020 6:57 AM  

Nice. Three trustworthy young men that will hopefully go onto raise their own kids the same way.

Blogger David The Good May 09, 2020 7:01 AM  

Do not think about it. Do it. There is no other way to go if you love your children. It is worth it.

Blogger MichaelJMaier May 09, 2020 7:08 AM  

Jamie R, this is the place that cured my Republicanitis.

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers May 09, 2020 7:30 AM  

Be careful once you let them go. My oldest homeschooled boy had a crisis of faith at one of the most conservative schools in the country. Caused by a professor that shouldnt have been there.
He was there for electrical engineering, and it was one of the science professors.
His faith survived, thankfully, but only just barely.

Blogger Clint May 09, 2020 8:07 AM  

We had some good conversations regarding homeschooling. Too bad the comments from those posts are gone. There was some wisdom and experience in those, as well as your original posts.

Spacebunny had the yahoo group for homeschoolers, as well, which was always a good resource for questions. Of course, now those groups no longer exist, since no one uses yahoo groups anymore.

Three kids. The oldest went to public/private school for about a year, homeschooled the rest of the way, then went to college on a full ride music scholarship (and some smaller academic stuff, as well). She does art for money now, and many of the Dread Ilk can attest to her talent there. When she incorporates her music skills and her art into video form...well, yeah, the Dread Ilk can tell you have good that is, too.

Second one is in college now, working in the Athletic Training field, also on scholarship. This speaks to the flexibility of homeschooling. We did not participate in team sports, etc. (though he was in martial arts), but during his last year of homeshooling, he would go up to the local community college a couple of times per week and "intern" with the atheltic trainers, since that is what he wanted to do. He learned the ropes that year, and they gave him a scholarship his freshman year of collee and onward (they usually save those for sophomores).

The last one is still doing HS. We have another couple of years with him, but he is already planning out his next step (being a diesel mechanic).

We never pushed any of them to college, but let them decide the path they wanted. It has not always been rosy, but they are prepared for whatever comes at them.

Blogger Rek. May 09, 2020 8:29 AM  


Could a young woman working at Hooters probably a high narcissist really be good housewife material? God's choice as a wife for you?

I am not being facetious or hollier then thou/her. It's an honest and genuine question.

I've never set foot @ Hooters for lack of access I am quite sure but I tend to think that I know the type that would work there.

Blogger Dont Worry About Me May 09, 2020 8:51 AM  

I can only hope God smiles upon my family as we pursue this path too. I know some core tenets will be Right and Left Brain, physical activity, civics, English, and SSH, along with church

Blogger Curlytop May 09, 2020 9:11 AM  

We finished our homeschooling chapter last year and I credit this blog for much of our success. It's hard to believe 16yrs have passed. Oldest is pursuing civil engineering and the other is in an electrical Apprentice program w area Electrical company. As some have said above, it's not easy but totally worth it. Our second had a rough last two years in high school, not due to academics rather the Social Gospel culture slipping into our group(another thread), yet he still told us that he's thankful we homeschooled instead of dumping them into what he calls the local high school: Babylon.

Thank you Vox, Spacebunny, and Dread Ilk for all the wise counsel in those early years.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 09, 2020 9:21 AM  

Government/Religion/Politics/Culture - and the fundamental pillar of this structure is education which begins at home.
My family taught me that fact beginning almost two decades ago. That story is here - - and yes, we heard 'DaSocialization' word as well.
Needless to say, all 5 grandkids were homeschooled and the other families we have come to know through their homeschooling groups are DaFuture!
And DaFuture is NOW!

Blogger lexlocus May 09, 2020 9:34 AM  

Started reading in 2005. Time really flies. Do homeschool your kids. I didn't, and it was a bad decision, rooted in inertia and "Come on, how bad can it be?" Learned a lot here, had the privilege to meet some OG Ilk IRL. It was a great life- phase. N5

Blogger maniacprovost May 09, 2020 9:34 AM  

Vox almost certainly influenced my wife picking process. Perhaps I should have used a little more common sense too but that probably applies to most of us.

Everyone knows learning happens most effectively through doing and repetition.Everyone knows learning happens most effectively through doing and repetition.

For people with the capacity for abstract thought, one of the most useful skills is to actively engage and analyze what you're hearing or reading. It's a form of "doing," not enough by itself, but a major efficiency boost. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act.

I don't know what the right proportion is, but for technical fields maybe 1 hour of study per 7 hours of practice.

Blogger David May 09, 2020 9:36 AM  

14 years? That's insane. I started reading VP over a year before that when I was in high school. Now I'm married, having my first child and looking to homeschool my kids as well.

The time, it flies.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 09, 2020 10:05 AM  

Was homeschooled myself for most all of my primary education.
And planning to homeschool my soon to be born son once he's of age.
I know from my experience a lot of people acted like FBI interrogators when it came to (((socialization))) and learning standards.
Best just to laugh and mock.
And as Corona Chan has proved, government education is worthless.

Blogger tuberman May 09, 2020 10:31 AM  

This homeschooling success is very cool. Colleges are attempting to shut down the aptitude tests, which could show such success of homeschooling, and some few remaining decent high schools. Yet why send kids to colleges leaving all standards behind? This question is true now, but will become more obvious. We know colleges now are just part of the Debt Machine.

How many colleges will close in a few years? Too many going to college learning merely propaganda. Most should learn trades anyway.

Blogger Jason May 09, 2020 11:42 AM  

Awesome to hear another success story, well done JT and prayers for you boys' futures.

I've been here since the early days as well. Started reading Vox's WND posts sometime shortly after 9/11. Back then I was taken in by W's "If you're not with us you're against us" rhetoric. Vox's commentaries really caused me to re-think everything surrounding 9/11 and the resulting war, WMDs, and conservatism in general.

Rarely a day goes by where I don't hit the blog at least once, but I hardly ever comment because I don't usually have anything intelligent to add that hasn't already been said.

But I've learned so much from this blog over the years regarding Churchianity, the SSH, conservatism. I've found some great SF/F authors to read. And it's helped me recognize the lies we're faced with every day, with increasing frequency and intensity. And the more lies I recognize, the more it strengthens my faith and longing for Christ, who is the Truth.

SO, thanks to Vox for all the time and energy spent on the blog over the years. I imagine it has more of an impact than you know.

Blogger Critias May 09, 2020 12:35 PM  

I am new to the topic, does anyone have any experience homeschooling the Trivium? Is it used much in homeschooling circles or are there good curriculums out there for teaching it?

Blogger Sambuca_Ford May 09, 2020 2:13 PM  

Vox's writings have served as a road map for 15+ years back to the WND days. Started reading as a fellow SBC member (the traditionalist SBC), stayed for the insights. The fam doesn't fear Corona, China, AOC, or to the point, We Don't Fear.

Deus Volt.

Blogger Azimus May 09, 2020 2:59 PM  

maniacprovostMay 09, 2020 9:34 AM
Vox almost certainly influenced my wife picking process.

Not me. Not at least in the looks department. I remember reading a comment of his, ages ago, about preferring cheekbones sharp enough to shave with, and I realized that at least in the looks department we were on divergent courses. Still, he married a Wisconsin gal so he at least wasn't a total loss...

Blogger Bosworth May 09, 2020 4:18 PM  

My answer to the "S" question was always "Once a week I take them into the bathroom, beat them up and take their lunch money away from them" and then I would stare the questioner in the eyes until they sheepishly turned away... no one ever pursued the line of questioning further.

If we had to start over again I would wish it seemed twice as long before they left home

Blogger wEz May 09, 2020 4:49 PM  

Big reason we homeschool is from this blog. I have an amazing homeschooled wife and we are homeschooling our girls together since we both work. We make it work.
We're also involved in a Christian co-op called Classical Conversations, which helps supplement some material.
It's great being able to start each school day with prayer and scripture and to be directly involved in their education. You can also a la carte material based on their learning style and center it around your worldview with the flexibility as you see fit. It's incredible and has been extremely fruitful.
If anyone is on the fence, do it. So much better then playing Russian roulette with your children in front of wolves that are ready and waiting to devour.

Blogger Red Raven May 09, 2020 6:07 PM  

Hi Jad, I know what you mean - the Victorian and NSW schools are terrible.

I’ve already discussed with the man who’s courting me that I would only want to homeschool. Your not alone, I think more and more people are realising how shit the Aussie school system is.

God Bless you and your little ones

Blogger Sicilian Switchblade May 09, 2020 6:47 PM  

We finished homeschooling about 3 years ago. Honestly the single best child rearing decision we made was pulling them out of "institutional learning."

Yes the Prussian model didn't suit us well at all and my daughter's have grown up into fine ladies who engage "socially" better than most.

I mean what the hell? How are they supposed to "socialize" if they don't have to raise their hands to speak, ask a question, be told when to piss, eat, start and stop like one of Pavlov's dogs every tome they hear a bell?

I'd advise anybody of at least average intelligence and discipline who cares about their children to do it. They'll be far better off long term, and so will society.

Blogger eclecticmn May 09, 2020 9:17 PM  

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Blogger eclecticmn May 10, 2020 5:41 PM  

49. eclecticmnMay 09, 2020 9:17 PM
Being herded en mass to eat in a group in a cafeteria and being herded en mass outside to exercise is NOT the social life of most adults and schools do not prepare students for the normal social lives of adults with one exception; those in prison.

Blogger Wiseagle May 13, 2020 11:59 PM  

We home educated our 2 boys: all the way through for the oldest (now a Mechanical Engineer) and 11 of 12 years (til my wife died) for the youngest who is a college junior. I reminded them that they had more time with their mom than any other "regular school" kids ever would. What a blessing!

The kids also gain such a better vocabulary and learn to be self-learners just by being around adults so much and not just dunder-headed peers.

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