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Wednesday, May 20, 2020

A quiet end

L'affaire du Damore has come to a quiet close:
Google and the engineer it fired agreed to end their legal fight but didn't detail terms of the case's conclusion. Google and James Damore, an engineer it fired in 2017, have agreed to dismiss his lawsuit against the tech giant, a quiet end to a loud case that began with a controversial memo in which Damore criticized the company's efforts to improve the diversity of its workforce.

"This matter is dismissed in its entirety," Judge Brian Walsh wrote in a Thursday order with the Superior Court in Santa Clara, the Silicon Valley county where Google is headquartered, after Damore and Google "agreed to end the case ... between them." Details of the agreement weren't disclosed.
Translation: Google paid Damore several million dollars in order to prevent the further public release of information.

Meanwhile, Pikachu confirmed that Google remains committed to complete convergence:
Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai responded to a report that Google has dramatically scaled back diversity and inclusion programs to appease conservative critics, promising that the company remains committed. “Diversity is a foundational value for us. Given the scale at which we build products and the fact we do it locally for our users, we are deeply committed to having that representation in our workforce,” said Pichai in an interview on The Vergecast. “What we are doing in the company is constantly at our scale. We look at that first — see what works, what we can scale up better. All I can say is we probably have more resources invested in diversity now than at any point in our history as a company.”
Translation: Google will keep hiring people who can't possibly do the necessary work until it goes bankrupt.

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67 Comments:

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 20, 2020 1:11 PM  

Damore took the ticket?

Blogger VD May 20, 2020 1:12 PM  

No, that's not taking the ticket. That's taking the win.

Blogger RedJack May 20, 2020 1:17 PM  

A tactical victory is better than a long strategic defeat

Blogger Kraemer May 20, 2020 1:23 PM  

Ticket would be to renounce his memo for a high paid position somewhere. This is a dude who already made his point with the memo, basically getting a gigantic severance package for his unjustified firing

Blogger Gallant May 20, 2020 1:32 PM  

A thought from inside that world. If paid out, he's not just being paid out on a job but a career. I've seen some of the simpiest rationalizations of why 'he deserved to be fired' from the inside. There's a certain career type you can have in biggest tech companies ($250-300 + bonuses and stock) that was closed to him forever the moment Google crucified him. He could never lead a big team of lefty simps, so at best he could be a programmer on some obscure non-public-facing integrations thing.

I hope he got a good amount of money to live on, and can find the best way to both do tech work in some way, and to help out his civilization in some way.

Blogger Unknown May 20, 2020 1:35 PM  

he got a looooooooooooot of money

I think he will be fine

Blogger Iceeater May 20, 2020 1:39 PM  

But the judge refuses to allow the settlement till another judge reviews it.

Blogger Guy Incognito May 20, 2020 1:41 PM  

If he didn't get at least 8m +attorneys fees, he got gyped.

Blogger Dave May 20, 2020 1:43 PM  

I hope he took them for more than a few million. The Bay Area is expensive and the lawyers are gonna take a chunk.

Wonder if we could have found a platform to crowdfund his defense to at least get to discovery. Or found a sympathetic rich right wing sugar daddy.

Blogger Daniel May 20, 2020 1:44 PM  

Damore's information trove is likely not significantly more damaging than what has already been disclosed, at least not in this case as it relates to his personal employment, but Google can't be certain. Basically, this is good timing on Damore's part. He's not taking the ticket.

Blogger Yossarian May 20, 2020 1:47 PM  

Does a dismissed lawsuit imply he's not legally binded in any way to keep quiet as opposed to a legal settlement?

Blogger rycamor May 20, 2020 1:49 PM  

Google's desperate attempt at damage control. They are now under fire from the right and the left.

Blogger VD May 20, 2020 1:50 PM  

Does a dismissed lawsuit imply he's not legally binded in any way to keep quiet as opposed to a legal settlement?

There was a legal settlement. The lawsuit was dismissed because Google settled. So Damore is almost certainly bound by a confidentiality agreement.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 20, 2020 1:50 PM  

This deal comes out shortly after the DOJ announced antitrust investigations.

I wonder if Damore threatened to go to the Trump administration.

Blogger boogeyman May 20, 2020 1:53 PM  

Good for him. Anyone that gets put through the wringer like that deserves a little something.

Now, let's see if Google learns anything from this. I somehow doubt it. I suspect that part of the reason SJWs always double down is that they can't learn from their own mistakes. Who knows, there might be an entire cottage industry in the offing where Google employees speak the truth, get fired, then get paid.

Blogger Ingemar May 20, 2020 2:03 PM  

Current events are forcing me to solve how to exit the corporate world, which I am convinced is the "free" economic arm of the Cabal.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos May 20, 2020 2:09 PM  

Considering how much they just paid for GIPHY, of all things, I don’t think a meager 7-figure payout would teach any kind of lesson.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam May 20, 2020 2:10 PM  

Google needs to be diverse. They got rid of their old slogan “don’t be evil” to include evil. Now that’s diverse!

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 20, 2020 2:16 PM  

It's almost as if these types can't help themselves.

Sooner or later they need to learn that buying off their adversaries can only go so far. This will be entertaining to watch when their little empires are completely turned inside out because of the anti-trust investigations.

Blogger sammibandit May 20, 2020 2:20 PM  

I'm not sure how this is going for the win. Is this just his win?

Blogger VD May 20, 2020 2:23 PM  

I don’t think a meager 7-figure payout would teach any kind of lesson.

It won't. But it will change Damore's life, presumably for the better.

I'm not sure how this is going for the win. Is this just his win?

You really don't see how forcing an employer who threw you out on your backside to pay you a lot of money for the privilege is a win?

It's almost certainly a very big win. But it's just one small battle fought by one man.

Blogger Daniel May 20, 2020 2:32 PM  

What do you think he had on them that was worth more in public than in secret? The antitrust movement doesn't need a single thing from Damore, so Google was highly motivated to clear that irritating channel now.

Damore got a Max deal. Good for him. He got paid way more for not writing the book than for writing it.

Blogger kurt9 May 20, 2020 2:33 PM  

A prominent AI researcher recently quit Google mainly because he believes they no longer have the corporate culture and human capital necessary to support his research efforts. I believe his has the last of the "moonshot" projects to be shutdown at Google.

Google will gradually lose capability, but it will be a long time before they go bankrupt because they get too much money from the NSA.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon May 20, 2020 2:39 PM  

I'm not convinced it was a huge win. I haven't followed it at all, but wasn't Damore's case tossed by the labor relations board?

If so, what was his bargaining power? He was not high up in the company or working on particularly sensitive material, nor was he in one of the functional units that gets to see a lot of different projects in the company (mergers/acquisitions, security, etc). The good stuff is not available to your average engineer on Maps, etc.

As for 'diversity', the simple truth is that if you take out the Jews, Arabs, Turks and others (who are counted as 'white'), white males are not the biggest demographic. They are massively under-represented compared to the US population, with Indians taking top spot. Various studies on software developers confirm that Indians males are ahead of white males in all the various major centers. I don't think we are going to see the 'diversity' officers discouraging Google (Facebook, etc) from hiring too many Indian men.

Blogger sammibandit May 20, 2020 2:43 PM  

My bad. I'm in the celebrating mood now. I feel the ship rocking a lot the last few days and I notice that when this happens it's good news for us. Fantastic news.

Blogger Sean May 20, 2020 2:47 PM  

I don't understand why some ppl are not seeing it as a win. Firstly, I'm pretty sure it's definitely a win for Damore. Secondly, this may set the tone for other developers unfairly dismissed by their employers to seek retribution.

Blogger Pratisara May 20, 2020 3:04 PM  

>>. I don't think we are going to see the 'diversity' officers discouraging Google (Facebook, etc) from hiring too many Indian men.

It has already begun. It is getting progressively harder for an Indian male to rise up in the ranks. The discrimination against Indian males into US medical schools has also increased in the last decade.
It's not white males or Indian males they are after. It's merit.

Blogger FALPhil May 20, 2020 3:08 PM  

@24 As for 'diversity', the simple truth is that if you take out the Jews, Arabs, Turks and others (who are counted as 'white'), white males are not the biggest demographic. They are massively under-represented compared to the US population, with Indians taking top spot. Various studies on software developers confirm that Indians males are ahead of white males in all the various major centers. I don't think we are going to see the 'diversity' officers discouraging Google (Facebook, etc) from hiring too many Indian men.

It's only good business. If you could get workers that only cost as much as non-black women (black women are one of the highest paid demographic groups, position for position, thank you, EEO). but could actually do the work, why wouldn't you? This is the whole argument around immigration. Mass immigration is a tool to keep wages low.There is really no other reason for mass immigration to exist.

Blogger Pratisara May 20, 2020 3:12 PM  

>>Translation: Google will keep hiring people who can't possibly do the necessary work until it goes bankrupt.

Google will go bankrupt when the US government goes bankrupt, because it is the US government.
The purpose of Google is to not make money - it is to analyse who is looking for what,when and why so that tptb can act based on that knowledge.
The purpose of Uber is to not take people from point A to point B. It is to inform the tptb who is going where and when.
The purpose of Facebook is not post your vacation photos and get likes. It is for tptb to see how people are connected to each other.
The purpose of Amazon is not to facilitate easy delivery of items. It is to tell tptb how money is being circulated in the economy.
I could go on...but all of these companies are the government. They will never be bankrupt.
And just as the DMV hired only diverse candidates starting a couple of decades ago, so will these companies.

Blogger tublecane May 20, 2020 3:13 PM  

"What we are doing in the company..."

As opposed to in the heat of the night or in the bedroom?

"is constantly at our scale"

Say what?

Can I sue him for allowing me to stumble into this maddening corporatespeak?

Blogger 357Delta May 20, 2020 3:16 PM  

It was a win. Google was clearly shown to fear the truth. They are not indomitable. They don't have god-like legal powers.

Winning a local track meet is not winning State, but it is still a win and we can cheer.

Blogger tublecane May 20, 2020 3:18 PM  

@22- "The antitrust movement doesn't need a single thing from Damore"

Why are you bringing antitrust into it? Damore's case shouldn't have required anything more than California employment law. He was clearly fired for political wrongthink, and that is a no-no.

Blogger James Dixon May 20, 2020 3:34 PM  

> If he didn't get at least 8m +attorneys fees, he got gyped.

I'm thinking it's probably something in the $10-20M range. Even after legal fees that would be more than enough for him and Google would barely notice it.

> I'm not convinced it was a huge win.

There was absolutely no reason for him to settle for anything less than FU money and it was not in his nature to do so. You seem to think Damore was a normal. He wasn't. He was a functional Aspy; a classical gamergate type. He wasn't going to go away quietly.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 20, 2020 3:36 PM  

Sean wrote:I don't understand why some ppl are not seeing it as a win. Firstly, I'm pretty sure it's definitely a win for Damore.
One small win for mankind, one giant win for Damore. No downside.

Blogger bramley May 20, 2020 3:38 PM  

Are legal settlements taxable?

Blogger d May 20, 2020 3:49 PM  

One short-term win for a man.
One giant nada-burger for mankind.

Google corporation openly brags of their racial discriminations and their sex-based discriminations; their race-based hiring practices and sex-based training programs.

The did so then.
They do so now.

All to the delight of the everyone who is anyone, including those who control all the machine guns and jail cells. All the Affirmative Racism programs of the governing cartels are only getting more merciless.

Their racketeering judiciary isn't going to save anyone.

Blogger Oswald May 20, 2020 4:01 PM  

"Diversity is a foundational value for us."

Was it a foundational value in the beginning???

Changing horses midstream is a dangerous course indeed!

When I think about a good solid mission statement such as "We will provide the best possible ___________ service at the most affordable price." How exactly does diversity serve this goal. Does it improve service? Does it improve price? No and No. The company that gets into diversity, gets away from the core values that made them great. In order to achieve diversity, standards must be lowered. This is a sin the US military has committed. This is why we will lose a war eventually if this is not corrected.

Google in making diversity a foundational value, and we all know it was not an original value, they have basically paved the way for their own destruction down the road. A hungry competitor will arise, not weighed down by other goals besides delivering the best product to the market, that will deliver that better product, and google will become a has been like yahoo, and then possibly a netscape, and so on into oblivion. From diversity to oblivion.

Blogger Freeholder May 20, 2020 4:14 PM  

I am suspecting he got considerably more than being talked about here. No only did he have a rock solid wrongful termination case, but with it being very public, he could probably ask for life time wages being publicly blackballed, plus pain and suffering and violation of privacy, etc etc etc. Factor in this is San Francisco and we are probably looking at least 10 million for the salary alone. Now hopefully he can live like a king in a friendly place.

Blogger Akulkis May 20, 2020 4:25 PM  

"If so, what was his bargaining power? He was not high up in the company or working on particularly sensitive material, nor was he in one of the functional units that gets to see a lot of different projects in the company (mergers/acquisitions, security, etc). The good stuff is not available to your average engineer on Maps, etc."

If I'm not mistaken, Google's internal documents were available to every employee, based on what that other former-Google employee obtained when he left Google and gave copies of some and an interview to James O'Keefe before they SWATted him and he sent everything to the DOJ.

Blogger Akulkis May 20, 2020 4:26 PM  

"Various studies on software developers confirm that Indians males are ahead of white males in all the various major centers."

In headcounts, yes.
When it comes to productivity, no.

Blogger Cynic In Chief May 20, 2020 4:44 PM  

This is absolutely a win. Google could have just skated after the LRB decision, but instead they have to pay a settlement. This won't make other converged companies think twice, but that was never going to happen. You can't "reform" a company as converged as Google. Instead Damore made them pay for wrecking his career and he gets to live a nice life on the settlement.

As for why Google settled, I doubt it was because Damore had anything for the anti-trust investigation. It's more likely that they don't want to repeat the mistake of a certain European dictator and have to deal with legal wars on two fronts. They're going to have to put their legal team full-time on dealing with the DOJ, they don't want to have to fuss with this suit. So they just accepted Damore's latest settlement offer and are going to get it off the table ASAP before the big guns arrive and Google has to deal with them.

Blogger James Dixon May 20, 2020 4:51 PM  

> Factor in this is San Francisco and we are probably looking at least 10 million for the salary alone.

See my comment above. :)

> Are legal settlements taxable?

As a general rule, yes, especially wrongful termination. You'd have to ask a tax specialist to be sure in any individual case.

Blogger xavier May 20, 2020 4:52 PM  

Yeah Google'll double down on the convergence. Until the antitrust investigations force them to scale back...permanently

Blogger glueballs May 20, 2020 5:19 PM  

Are legal settlements taxable?

The classic legal answer: it depends. Because Damore’s lawsuit arose from employment, it’s likely that most of the settlement will be taxed as ordinary income. However, if a part of the settlement is structured to compensate Damore for psychological counseling, then that aspect may have been segregated out and it’s probably non-taxable. I assume Damore’s lawyers know their stuff and will have structured the settlement as favorably as possible for Damore. Taxation of legal awards and settlements can be tricky, especially in a state like California where local and municipal taxes may apply. Should Damore remain in Cali, which is expensive, a low eight figure settlement may not be F-you money, and he may need even damore money.

Blogger Trid May 20, 2020 5:39 PM  

Not having to work alongside leftists is its own reward

Blogger Azimus May 20, 2020 6:01 PM  

VD:
Google will keep hiring people who can't possibly do the necessary work until it goes bankrupt


Unless there is an alternative host to attach themselves to, the USG will provide the resources necessary to keep their... "creature" in the saddle until USG itself gives up the ghost.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 20, 2020 6:28 PM  

“Diversity is a foundational value for us. Given the scale at which we build products and the fact we do it locally for our users, ..."

He thinks they are actually producing something.
The only thing they are producing is income for SJWs and pajeets so they can live in cities and pay three grand a month for an apartment and buy seven dollar lattes.

Blogger sammibandit May 20, 2020 6:35 PM  

"I have a structured settlement and need cash now" sing it with me.

Blogger Canadian Warlord May 20, 2020 6:52 PM  

This was a huge black eye for Google, and they knew it. The settlement was to end the saga and let this case drop down the memory hole.

Not just a win, but a big win. Sometimes moral victories count.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 20, 2020 7:02 PM  

Well, the rule isn't "SJWs Almost Always Double-Down." When Vox first stated the rules, my pedantic side wondered if it was really "always," but it really is.

Blogger Nihil Dicit May 20, 2020 7:02 PM  

The NFL presents the SJWs with another "problematical" situation: "Whose side do we take here?":

https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/29200201/in-lawsuit-nfl-player-says-was-sexually-harassed-assaulted-united-airlines-flight

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 20, 2020 7:09 PM  

It is getting progressively harder for an Indian male to rise up in the ranks.

Trannies don't want them around any more than women do.

Blogger Didas Kalos May 20, 2020 7:14 PM  

@bramley there is this high techy thing invented by AL Gore......

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) May 20, 2020 7:46 PM  

45. Trid May 20, 2020 5:39 PM
Not having to work alongside leftists is its own reward



as i remember it, Damore was himself a Lefty.

he just forgot that the war against Eastasia was more important than competence.

Blogger bramley May 20, 2020 7:59 PM  

@53 que?

Blogger bramley May 20, 2020 8:08 PM  

glueballs wrote:
he may need even damore money.


Heh.

Thanks for the detailed answer, glueballs, appreciate it.

Hope Damore does well, whatever the deal.

Blogger Seeingsights May 20, 2020 8:31 PM  

1. When Damore sued Google, articles in the lamestream media presented the view that his case was weak. At the time, I thought that Damore had a good case. Lesson: do not follow the views of the lamestream media in legal, economic, scientific, or other technical matters. If you do, you will likely miss opportunities. You might even suffer financial loss.

2. When Damore filed his lawsuit, Julian Assange offered him a job. That was a clever move by Assange, for Damore might have interesting information about Google, such as internal emails, and evidence of deliberate bias in Google's search algorithms. As part of the settlement, however, Damore cannot discuss it.

Blogger TheDividualist May 21, 2020 3:04 AM  

>A tactical victory is better than a long strategic defeat

It is a strategic victory, or could be made into one. Because it is a strong message to other white males working at corporations that if they go SJW on you, you could get fuck-you money in both senses of the word. Actually, even in a third sense, as they will be able to finance a competing startup. I think there is no way of saving the currently converged corps and they don't deserve saving anyway. It is their customers who do. So competing startups is the way to go, if there is financing and that is how you finance it...

BTW a "notorious" right-winger game dev from my neck of Europe got employed in Montreal. I don't know any details, but first I thought Montreal and game development = UbiSoft. But surely he would not work for them. Wouldn't last a week if he tried. Is there a non-converged startup scene going in Montreal, made by up pissed off ex-UbiSoft employees or something like that? Does anyone know?

Blogger crescent wrench May 21, 2020 7:04 AM  

Daniel wrote:Damore's information trove is likely not significantly more damaging than what has already been disclosed, at least not in this case as it relates to his personal employment, but Google can't be certain. Basically, this is good timing on Damore's part. He's not taking the ticket.

It's about narrative control for both google corporate AND the wokies.

A quiet settlement heads off the prospect of people being able to point to public court records and officially submitted evidence of discrimination.

By preventing this, they mitigate the damage and preserve the bulk of their abusive practices both to their employees and toward the public.

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 21, 2020 7:30 AM  

As someone with Tech Support experience I can testify that the H1b's are not all top notch coders. Most are hired because they are Aunt Pushpa's kids or some other relations not for merit. They can't even reset their own passwords half the time. Now the American and Canadian tech support folks are being replaced by Phillipinos who work for less than Indians or Jamaicans. Hilarity ensues as folks call four or five times before their issues are fixed.

Blogger Karen took the Kids May 21, 2020 7:55 AM  

Nice win for Damore but as a result he comes perpetually uninteresting if hes bound to silence which is implied here if I'm not mistaken.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 21, 2020 10:45 AM  

Karen took the Kids wrote:Nice win for Damore but as a result he comes perpetually uninteresting if hes bound to silence which is implied here if I'm not mistaken.
He almost surely cannot talk about the terms of the settlement, or what they settled. He is almost surely a Lefty and didn't want to crusade against the poz anyway, so no loss to him or us.

A longer term result from this is that straight White boys will be encouraged to sue for FU money when this happens to them. That's a good thing.

Blogger rycamor May 21, 2020 2:02 PM  

Pichai: "All I can say is we probably have more resources invested in diversity now than at any point in our history as a company."

By "resources" he means employees, in modern corporate-speak. They have hired more and more people of diversity and freakdom, while the Damores are quietly leaving, so they don't have to have programs anymore. He can just spin all those employees as "investments in diversity".

Blogger John Bradley May 21, 2020 6:15 PM  

Google will gradually lose capability

Already well on its way. The ever-worsening of the YouTube user interface, both for viewers and creators, is well documented. I'm still annoyed that they removed the ability to organize channel subscriptions in folders, and they ripped out that very useful feature at least 5 years ago.

See also Google Earth (desktop app). Years ago when it was new (and probably still had a few actual Americans working on it) you could click down to StreetView and endlessly 'drive' around in other cities. Virtual tourism; it was awesome.

Now, the data is so screwed up that you can't go more than a few blocks in a city before you get to a pathing error and have to return to bird-eye view in order to re-enter StreetView somewhere past the problematic intersection.

Blogger SirHamster May 21, 2020 6:26 PM  

For those who don't see this as a victory, look at the change of message for non-SJW techies:

Before:
"If I speak truthfully, I might get fired and blackballed like Damore."

After:
"If I speak truthfully and get fired, I could get a multi-million settlement and be set for life like Damore."

Even if you think that's a small win, accept it as a deposit for the bigger wins to come. We're going to win so much, some of you might feel tired of winning. But we'll keep going.

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Blogger crescent wrench May 22, 2020 8:25 AM  

@64

Google search has been unfit for purpose since they made it forget everything over 18 months old in 2017 because "orange man bad".

If it's not being used as a coding reference, you're better off using competitors.

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