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Monday, May 18, 2020

Antiheureusitarianism

A question asked on SocialGalactic: What tribe does the American who’s ancestors include multiple Europeans nations belong to?

None. Such individuals don’t have a tribe or a nation. That’s why US society is described, correctly, as “atomized”. It has been literally blown apart by mass immigration and labor mobility. Forget tribe, many US citizens don't even have a clan, as their extended families are spread out across the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

It's rather like asking what AKC-registered breed a mongrel is. The correct answer is "none". No matter what the mongrel's genetic pedigree might be, it is not accepted as any of the 193 breeds recognized by the American Kennel Club.

Passport-based civic nationalism is pseudonationalism. It’s the substitute of state paperwork for nationality. It's the "divided" state that precedes the "conquered" state in the "divide-and-conquer" concept.

It may help to remember that the truth is not heureusitarian and the concept of nation is not determined by whatever makes the greatest number of individuals feel good about themselves.

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Blogger MATT May 18, 2020 5:50 AM  

Is "heureusitarian" a new addition to the Voxicon? I haven't slept in 30 hours, cant pinpoint its most likely definition

Blogger Meanoldbasterd May 18, 2020 5:54 AM  

It took me a moment to realise the root of that word is heureux/euse French for happy... Ha ha

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 5:56 AM  

Being Lithuanian/Scottish/German/Ukrainian, when asked what ethnicity I am, I've replied, "Standard American Mongrel" for almost all of my adult life.

My allegiance is to the U.S. and only the U.S., as I'm quite sure that, being 37.5% / 25% / 25% / 12.5% mix, none of my ancestor's countries would have me.

Now if we could get rid of all of those whose allegiance is to some other group -- by deportation or otherwise -- those of us remaining, I'm sure, could work it all out.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 5:57 AM  

But see for consolation if needed, hybrid vigor. What's done is done.

Blogger MATT May 18, 2020 6:09 AM  

I assumed that at first, but didnt think thats what he was going for

Blogger MATT May 18, 2020 6:14 AM  

And, as an Italian, Irish, Mexican, Puerto Rican, pale as a ghost, 3rd or 4th generation pseudoamerican, I can confirm it can be difficult to pick a tribe. You'll find yourself realizing you dont completely identify with any of them. Family scattered all over, aimless.

Blogger Tetro May 18, 2020 6:17 AM  

We can unite within the context of being White. Radio Albion's 'White Civilizations' series is a great place to start.

Can we also find some unity of mind, purpose, and tribe by recognizing a common enemy, or ten?

This channel rocks, most especially this choice selection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG8Kv_Mie30

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 6:22 AM  

25% Scottish. That explains a lot.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 18, 2020 6:41 AM  

"But see for consolation if needed, hybrid vigor. What's done is done."

Now we get to see which mixes can both propagate fast and true enough and live with themselves well enough to take and hold territory. My guess would be near to none for several generations at least, so expect divided states territory to also be heavily encroached upon in possibly permanent manner.

Blogger Storm Rhode May 18, 2020 6:46 AM  

Interesting. I've called myself a European American since being introduced to Owen, Vox and Jones. It gives me a better sense of the reality.

Blogger Nostromo May 18, 2020 6:47 AM  

This is also my standard go to answer. The only nationality I KNOW I come from is my grandfather is from Italy. Everyone else was already here, and had mixed lines. Family stories talk of every nationality imaginable including black, so without a DNA test, who the hell knows? (And I ain't about to give someone some DNA just so they can hand it over to the popo.)

Blogger Nihil Dicit May 18, 2020 6:49 AM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:But see for consolation if needed, hybrid vigor.

Humans aren't wheat. You have nearly as good odds for picking up a new negative trait as a new positive one.

Blogger Avalanche May 18, 2020 6:56 AM  

@4 "hybrid vigor"

Unless the 'success' of the hybrids and invasive species results in destroying the 'field' wherein they grow....

No consolations there!

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz May 18, 2020 7:00 AM  

SDL,
do the standard balance ("The Blood/ The Language/The Religion/ The Culture; The Nation is if 3 of 4 are identical") works?

Blogger yoghi.llama May 18, 2020 7:10 AM  

"Umlungu" is a derogatory term but a technically correct description of us White mongrels.

Blogger VD May 18, 2020 7:11 AM  

But see for consolation if needed, hybrid vigor. What's done is done.

A little more vigor isn't much consolation for the average IQ dropping 10 points. The USA of the 2020s is rapidly approaching a standard deviation less intelligence on average than the USA of the 1950s.

But at least the food is spicier and no one can call you racist, right?

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 18, 2020 7:14 AM  

And on top of all that, we're on stolen land.

Blogger rognuald May 18, 2020 7:15 AM  

I was raised as an American with traditional American values. My family name is from England but we didn't look back fondly on England as our ancestors left that country and made a better one. Genetic wise, overwhelming UK ancestors with a very small percent of Scandinavian and other fragments.

Before I came by Vox, I dated a Sicilian-American woman whose grandparents were originally from Sicily. Although she was a conservative republican, it didn't take me too long to realize that she wasn't one of my people; she was still emotionally and culturally Sicilian.

It's all so clear now.

Blogger crescent wrench May 18, 2020 7:18 AM  

Nihil Dicit wrote:Humans aren't wheat.

According to polling, a huge plurality of Americans think Trump is a Russian asset.

If they're not wheat, they're certainly Rutabagas

Blogger Unknown May 18, 2020 7:20 AM  

I agree with this entirely. I'm half Mexican half white. My Mexican side has foods, songs, stories, and generally a lot of culture. My white side has lost that culture (the fact that I just call it white for example)

I'll never understand those white nationalist idiots

Blogger Meng Greenleaf May 18, 2020 7:28 AM  

I asked a Japanese grandmother about her two granddaughters (who are half-European). They speak perfectly fluent Japanese. The one was awarded a writing award in Japanese recently. Anyway, I asked if they were Japanese. The grandmother replied: Of course, no.

I sort of left it there...

Blogger Scuzzaman May 18, 2020 7:29 AM  

I’m 100% British and Empire derived but Britain herself would prefer a Middle Eastern refugee with poor English language skills, an alien culture, a hostile religion, and no intention to assimilate (except in the violently sexual sense).

What’s a tribalist to do?

Since I live in Germany on the sufferance of the Germans I behave in a practical sense as if I am German. This is not overly complicated since the major enemy of the Germans is their own political class, just as it is in my country of origin.

The only real difficulty this presents is that I am a far more staunch defender of the Germans than most of themselves, a situation I view as unsustainable. But again it was the same in my natural home so it doesn’t make that much difference. I do it because it’s right.

Blogger Scuzzaman May 18, 2020 7:32 AM  

Nihil Dicit

The point is that animal and plant breeders discriminate, favouring positive traits and eliminating negative traits.

It’s not a bad word unless you’re a leftard who beloved hard that there are no negative traits.

Blogger doctrev May 18, 2020 7:34 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:And on top of all that, we're on stolen land.

The tribals aren't remotely strong enough to escape their reservations, even with liberal governments doing their damnedest to make them pets against white America.

Whatever replaces modern America probably won't be founded on religion, or even on "white people" as a laughable racial concept. Maybe the idea of your state and neighborhood will be involved, maybe religion, and if we're really unfortunate ideology will be the weathervane on which everything spins. The process will be extremely unpredictable, and likely involve oceans of blood. We were warned.

Blogger Stilicho May 18, 2020 7:45 AM  

As the pacifists point out from time to time, we've become good at killing brown people. That skill will be practised inside the border in the future as this all gets sorted out.

It does take time though. England was a polygot until the succeding waves of invaders sorted themselves out. Italy is still sorting it out. Hardship/war speeds the process. America was sped along the road to an American identity and nation by two world wars and a depression. The 1965 immigration act fractured much of that progress. It will happen again, but won't be easy. There isn't too much mudsharking statistically to change that (despite constant hollywood/jewish propganda). The drop in average IQ is attributable to the brown horde invasions, so that too wwill be rectified, but the America that survives and thrives will not look like the ersatz nation of today.

The external threat from China will also help the process of developing a cohesive nation, but may affect the speed of the process depending on the reaction to the threatening others and how the internal others are perceived at various points in time.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf May 18, 2020 7:45 AM  

Incidentally, since we're on the topic of tribes, this leads one to think to the coming collapse of the USA, so I wondered again about the Romans. Did they go extinct? I suppose I assumed that modern-day Italians thought of themselves as the descendants of the Romans. But, are they? 

Another idea I was thinking about had to do with Deltas. I feel the Deltas are more NPC than the Gammas. Maybe I'm wrong, but Gammas have a sort of innate drive (admittedly in the wrong direction and for the wrong reasons) that makes me think they're a bit more ..... conscious in a weird way? They're driven, insanely so, but driven anyway - I have to give them that.
What made me think about this was having my conversations with very clever moderately-high-IQ people, whom I think are deltas. Kind of the salt of the Earth types. They just seem to be so content with going to work, coming home to a family, keeping their wife and kids happy and watching TV - where they're programmed to repeat the first half of the sentence tomorrow. 
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like Delta's are the ultimate In-Group glue? And if they are, are they more inclined towards NPC-ness? Which isn't really "NPC" per say. It's more like the act of maintaining in-group tribal cohesion, comes at the cost of thinking outside the box, which seems to me, like the act of thinking altogether in a way. 
Bear in mind (as opposed to bare in mind, which is something else entirely), some reasonably cogent studies strongly suggest up to 83%+ of our predisposition is genetic. So, on the best of days, we're all being driven by our genes anyway. 

Are categories of males more NPC, than others on the hierarchy? 

Blogger Balkan Yankee May 18, 2020 7:48 AM  

Why should the mongrel care what the AKC thinks?

Blogger VD May 18, 2020 7:49 AM  

What’s a tribalist to do?

Fix your tribe.

Blogger Rowan May 18, 2020 7:51 AM  

The divide part of divide and conquer. Exactly.

Technology was supposed to elevate us, no? Yesterday I was browsing a Reddit sub about nature and gardening and not one, not ten, but multiple tens of people commented on a nice photo that they...they did not know that strawberries came from flowers. Or that any fruit came from flowers. Or that the definition of fruit was the fertilized, seed-bearing part of a plant. And that potatoes aren’t fruit, when it was argued that potatoes don’t come from flowers...

Trolling, or a snapshot of the general decline in IQ plus the mind-sucking brain decay of social media as icing on the public school cake?

Things I learned as a young child are not known by the average teenager. The hispanic and black and islander peoples don’t care that Rome is burning as long as they are eating.

The year is ending at most schools. My school has a policy that even if a student does no work, they’ll get a 55 for the marking period so they won’t fail. A teacher friend said that in life no one will give you a 55 just for breathing. I agreed, and said but they will give you an EBT card and free healthcare.

We have no loyalty to each other. We’re held together by a fragile detente based upon rapidly disappearing money for gibs.

Blogger Tetro May 18, 2020 7:54 AM  

'European American' works in some ways, though just owning 'American' and telling people it refers to whites predominantly, works as well, ala Vox's 'Cuckservative' line of argumentation.

Of course, that won't stop the degradation and deconstruction of the word 'American' by our enemies. And adding 'European' may be good for your own clarity of mind, but it can also create some dissonance and make you and others around you feel that whites don't belong in the Americas, which is wrong. From the Cloud Peoples of Peru to early Viking settlers of N America, to Celtic peoples in eastern China who still wear plaid kilts, White people have gotten around, everywhere, for a long, long time. We DO have claims upon places. Lots of them, even outside of Europe.

A strong and unapologetic association with these peoples and our wildly advanced, creative, impressive civilizations, from pagan times until our Baptism in Christ, is the way forward. Our forefathers in Christ did not teach us to be ashamed of or disparaging of our pagan ancestors, but to rather turn (repent) to Truth in its fullness, taking the Good from our pre-Christian cultures and communities, and leaving the bad behind. And there was much of the Good and Beautiful in those cultures and civilizations. Placed there by God. The quintessential example of this is with the Greeks.

Your own personal details and form of this will work itself out. You will make a few of those decisions consciously and deliberately, other decisions will be made for you by God and His Hand in your personal affairs, in your heart, and in the affairs of the world. As long as you seek the cleansing of your heart through His Commandments, obey Him, and continually seek Truth.

White Hispanics need to understand they're White, and have much more in common with the hated Gringo than they do with their mestizo and Aztec underlings. Many of you tan more easily, but that doesn't mean you're not one of us.

An effective counter-attack to shrieks of racism and demands for offering a pinch of salt to the Diversity demons and Civic Nationalism deities? Simply say that NO ONE believes such nonsense anymore except for stupid white women and non-whites pretending to believe it so they can fleece white nations for their stuff. Say with as much derision, mockery, and disgust as possible. The devil flees from mockery.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 18, 2020 8:00 AM  

"Happiness" I think the globalists are the opposite in that regard being typical women they are more concerned if others are happy and enjoying life more than they are, so the greatest number of unhappy people is their measuring stick.

But per usual the dopey conservatives want to reason with the globalists instead of using globalists to do our dirty work for us.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf May 18, 2020 8:00 AM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:But see for consolation if needed, hybrid vigor. What's done is done. There's some evidence that second cousins (I believe it was second) produce offspring with the ideal immune systems. Scent studies also found a similar result for scent preference (again, if I recall correctly).

Also, there's some good evidence that admixtures that are extreme (say, very north and very south) may lead to nicely symmetrical features, but to temperament issues that have to do with brain development we don't really understand well. The facial symmetry in this sense is sort of throwing off a heuristic used to determine genetic health. Symmetry is perceived subconsciously as healthy, when in fact, there's probably some underlying mental weaknesses concurrent. 

A safe example would be Asian-Americans having a high predisposition towards depression.  Also, I've been told that dog-breeders wouldn't find this cross-breed temperament issue very surprising? I'm not sure.

My guess is that our brains, or at least male brains, are meant to be asymmetrical. And it may be that brain symetry (similar to facial symmetry) an affect of extreme admixing. I've never read such a study, but, it'd be intersting to see if there is data out there.

Blogger Tetro May 18, 2020 8:06 AM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote: I suppose I assumed that modern-day Italians thought of themselves as the descendants of the Romans. But, are they?

I only know this: Italics, Latins, Romans, Ligurians, Lombards, Sicilians, Magna Grecians, Sardinians... different names for different peoples, different languages, etc.

He is apparently regarded as not having airtight theology, but Romanides' historical work and theories are to be taken seriously. Romans and their elites considered themselves Greek. Descendants from Greek settlers who came to the Italian peninsula with a superior language and more advanced civilization. This division was fundamental to the structure of Roman society from the beginning, with the division of the elites from the plebes (Latins and Italics), and restrictions against elites marrying plebes, which were anti-miscegenation measures. All these important details have been lost and scrubbed out of Western history books, for many obvious reasons.

I would also add that even a great many modern Italians wouldn't claim descent from 'Romans'. I've got a cafe owner nearby who is Italian-Piemontese, but claims descent from Eastern Europeans from centuries ago. To say that Italy and Italians have also struggled with identity is a massive understatement.

Blogger VD May 18, 2020 8:07 AM  

Why should the mongrel care what the AKC thinks?

One would have to be tremendously stupid to imagine that a dog is capable of understanding what a pedigree or the American Kennel Club is, let alone cares about the latter's institutional policies. Don't get pedantic with an analogy.

But if we must descend to your level, I will simply point out that a mongrel that wants to participate in the dog show is required to care what the AKC thinks.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 8:08 AM  

In general I think you reduce the chances of some recessive dread disease.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 18, 2020 8:09 AM  

"But at least the food is spicier and no one can call you racist, right?"

I've concluded "racism" is just a way to insult people who are mostly like them for not being as clever/sophistic as they are. So in the end everyone gets called it by the successive more dishonest person.

"it seems like Delta's are the ultimate In-Group glue? And if they are, are they more inclined towards NPC-ness?"

They'll parrot just enough until it gets in the way of what they care about, where they'll ditch it in a heartbeat with no regrets. Simple people simple solutions. Source: seen it happen.

Blogger glueballs May 18, 2020 8:10 AM  

I work with many foreigners. Among the Europeans, quite a few are mutts. The Brits can be mixed Albion/Wales/Scotland/Ireland/”Germany” (whatever that is given the history of that territory)/Sweden/France. The Swiss can be France/Belgium/Germany/Italy/Austria/Hungary. And then there are Brazilians. From what I can tell, only East Asians are almost universally homogenous. Even the Hasidim are mutts. Mutt is a most common breed. My personal loyalty is to straight, “white” Christian folks of majority European stock who obey the “canons” of Western Civilization. That's as close to my "tribe" as it's gonna get.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 18, 2020 8:11 AM  

Brief note on this hybrid thing: it's bullshit.
We can speak if if deleterious race mixing. There was a reason why the colonies were breeding black African slaves with white Irish slaves: mullatos are dumb. The practice was banned in 1745. I work with "crispy" blacks from the islands like Jamaica and Haiti. They are actually clever and despise American blacks. Often when you hear of a black doing something real dumb, it's a lighter skin black. IQ drop is a reality.

But does not stop there.
ETHNIC mixing is almost as bad.

What nation has the dumbest white people? The USA. What nation has all these Heinz 57 whites? Has Europe been improving at all with all that mixing going on?
Nope. The policies and ideals and ideas keep getting worse. Just look at who gets elected.
It's also apparent that people are getting fatter too. Low IQ means more mindless pigging out and being less aware of cause and effect.

The world needs an enema.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 18, 2020 8:15 AM  

Forget tribe, many US citizens don't even have a clan, as their extended families are spread out across the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

I feel this one. I also wonder if this is part of why some members of my family have turned very left, politically, if not outright SJW.

Blogger Careless Whisper May 18, 2020 8:19 AM  

Living in an Ellis Island area exurb, I look around at neighborhoods of Irish/Italian/German/Pole admixtures. The ratio of one ethnicity to another lines up very tidily with what you would presume they would make their towns grow up to be. Irish predominant town is dirty but comfy, putteringly corrupt, blundering (via real estate manipulation) into forcing the next generation to move out of state to afford a home. Bad drivers are drunk. Italian predominate is full of ostentatious tacky architecture, equally divided between awful McMansions and slums. Every couple years the FBI has to arrest some elected officials for flagrant acts of public theft. Bad drivers are trying to show off.
But let me tell you, the worst of it is just to the north, though, where half of them are heritage American mixed with the previously described slurry. Living there is hell. Architecture is cookie cutter tasteful soulless NeoEclectic. The corrupt politicians stay in place for decades. Bad drivers are usually frustrated middle aged women trying to run you off the road just because they can.

Mutt that I am, I can still sniff out my own.

Blogger Greg from the Piedmont May 18, 2020 8:22 AM  

My ancestry is Celt and Swede only diluted further by a great great grandmother who was Cherokee. I married a 3rd generation from the boat Italian/Irish girl, and her family is completely different from mine. With such a short history here, they consider themselves American. I have over 300 years of family buried in north Georgia and the rest of the South. Outside of family loyalty, I was raised to consider myself north Georgian first, then Southern. For my elders, South Georgia was not really a part of Georgia due to the differences in ancestry and outlook.

The first time I noted that we were not really a people was when I worked with a large group of Irish who had come to the US to work in Boston. It was easy to see then what a people were. That understanding changed my view of the world. All that really has been left was a cultural loyalty which has been made weak by all the sameness society has pushed on us. Or maybe the loyalty to a sports team.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 8:24 AM  

But at least the food is spicier and no one can call you racist, right?

Hard to say. More than one of my regular acquaintances have called me raciss a time or two such as when we were out to lunch. And I hadn't yet even mentioned I frequented this blog. I'd guess that staying away from serial first cousin lineages is a good start for at least maintaining the IQ of the parents.

The hybrids do well in sports and entertainment all around but for sure don't enjoy leading national class status. They get exemptions from most of the cultural peccadillos too. For the time being. In both the Americas and Asia.

Blogger Up from the pond May 18, 2020 8:24 AM  

Every day, I wake up and thank God I'm not a 56%-er. My family is Anglo British and has been so since 1700, when we arrived in America.

Since I don't know of any 56% who identifies with his more intelligent side instead of his less intelligent side, I would suggest that all of them trace the roots of their "more authentic" identities and go back.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 18, 2020 8:27 AM  

Does this relate in any way to 'Go and make disciples of all nations'?
It doesn't say bring'em all here!
Only the Spirit of God can fix any tribal purity or mongrelish mishmash.
Man without God is destined for destruction - tribal purity is worth a bucket of warm spit when push comes to shove with the Lord of the Universe!

Blogger Salt May 18, 2020 8:27 AM  

John Winger: We're all very different people. We're not Watusi, we're not Spartans, we're Americans. With a capital "A", huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 8:32 AM  

If your AKC papered offspring come with hip dysplasia how will they defend it?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2020 8:32 AM  

Neologisms from French? Ick. Instead of filtering it through the froggies, how about direct from Latin, antifelixtarianism? Or anticharoúmenotarianism?
VD wrote:But at least the food is spicier and no one can call you racist, right?
The awkward thing is that because of the invaders, they never stop calling us racist.

Blogger VD May 18, 2020 8:37 AM  

If your AKC papered offspring come with hip dysplasia how will they defend it?

What part of "don't get pedantic with analogies" did you not understand?

Blogger Meanoldbasterd May 18, 2020 8:37 AM  

You misspelled "conquered"

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 8:41 AM  

I was talking to an expat Swede a few years ago about how poorly I thought that government was treating its people, considering myself a staunch defender of Swedes. Which I probably was. Boy, did he get pissed off at me.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2020 8:41 AM  

VD wrote:What’s a tribalist to do?

Fix your tribe.

First step in that is to find a tribe that will have you, and stay loyal to it.

Blogger TMLutas May 18, 2020 8:55 AM  

Fix your tribe, Vox says. That's easier said than done. The tools are lacking. The tools to make the tools aren't even there yet.

There's a lot to be built up before the interesting, really useful stuff is even possible. Most of it is boring and not very useful on its own. Virtually all of it is generically useful for all tribes in my observation. Some will just take advantage faster than others.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 18, 2020 8:57 AM  

Shorter Doktor: They was kangz til they got that hillbilly blood.

Blogger ZhukovG May 18, 2020 9:02 AM  

The USA, a multi-national empire that makes Austria-Hungary look monolithic by comparison, has survived mostly through bribery. Material wealth, whether real or debt based, has been used to paper over the widening fractures within the empire.

That little party is coming to an end.

Unfortunately, the Fall of America is going to make the fracturing of Yugoslavia look like an amicable divorce.

If nothing ends the European Union before it, beholding the horrors in North America should finally do the trick.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 18, 2020 9:09 AM  

So this just raised an interesting question for me, which I don't know if anyone here is qualified to answer. I'm given to understand that class distinctions are still pretty important in England (or were until recently). How much of that is a remnant of the ethnic divisions between Norman conquerors and Anglo-Saxon natives from almost 1000 years ago? Is there any continuity there at all? Or have they been mixed to the point of indistinguishability?

Blogger rikjames.313 May 18, 2020 9:10 AM  

Selfishness by baby boomers broke up family links among whites in the US. In our local case, dying rust belt area baby boomers forted up in decent little cities not too near the diversity and drove up housing prices keeping out their kids and everyone elses. So as the diversity and the democrat pols the boomers voted in expanded the no go schools and areas, yonder people had a choice. College loans and then scramble for the jobs remaining while their own children suffered crime and substandard education, or college/loans and then pack up and flee to an area with jobs and good schools.

Just to be even funnier, the baby boomers then sat on their homes and vacation homes up north until the nursing homes, and then the government ended up with them.

Much the same happened in areas with jobs. The boomers sat on their homes as they went from 100k homes to 1.9 million dollar homes, and then wondered why their children had to take the grandkids to a regional business cluster and they never saw them. So they sold the house, moved to Scottsdale, and take 5 cruises a year and lecture their children on why they aren't smart with their money and how they didn't need college loans in 1972 because grandad was in the air force for 3 years in New Mexico and grandmom worked 10 hours a week in a clothes store.

Blogger Zach May 18, 2020 9:15 AM  

We'll end up with a variety of "pale Euro-mutt" tribes and nations as things shake out. That'll be the work of generations.

Blogger buzzardist May 18, 2020 9:24 AM  

All land is stolen land. Outside of possibly Antarctica and a few uninhabitable islands around the world, can anyone name a single square foot of land that hasn’t been fought over and claimed by right of conquest scores of times throughout history? What makes a civilization is that a tribe seizing land occupied and protects it for centuries so that the people grow distinctive from other nations.

America’s open-door immigration policies since the 19th century have ensured that America never began developing into a civilization. An empire? Yes. A nation or a civilization? No.

Blogger ZhukovG May 18, 2020 9:26 AM  

@Zaklog the Great: One thing to bear in mind is that a lot of the British peerage including the Royal Family are German. King George III could barely speak any English at all and Queen Victoria was much more comfortable with the German language. Many British peers didn't renounce their German titles until WWI.

Blogger LiveForever May 18, 2020 9:26 AM  

@22
"What's a tribalist to do?"

You could start with not abandoning it and criticising it from afar in a foreign land.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 18, 2020 9:40 AM  

Italy serves as an example of what North America is going to be like in 2000 years.
Brown, short, and dumb to the south, white tall and smart to the north.

Blogger The Other Donald May 18, 2020 9:44 AM  

Ever notice how octoroons quadroons and mulattos bear more racial animus against whites than do full blooded negroes? It seems like the whiter they are, the more they hate whitey.

Blogger CM May 18, 2020 9:52 AM  

Now we get to see which mixes can both propagate fast and true enough and live with themselves well enough to take and hold territory. My guess would be near to none for several generations at least, so expect divided states territory to also be heavily encroached upon in possibly permanent manner.

New nations have formed before - old England being one example.

I think large variance in skin color does not "hybridize" well because skin color is a short hand proxy for tribe and nation. If someone is noticeably different color (which can happen randomly in mixed race populations), they will be "othered" by the group. One example is there was the story of a mixed race couple who had twins - one was white and the other black. Normally, twins have a special bond, but these twins' peer groups pushed them apart.

If new tribes and nations WERE to form, utilizing tools of ritual inclusion and means for expulsion are necessary (jail is supposed to be a modern version of banishment, but retaining their families and allowing for conjugal visits messes with this).

Blogger Haus frau May 18, 2020 9:58 AM  

" Also, I've been told that dog-breeders wouldn't find this cross-breed temperament issue very surprising? I'm not sure."
This is my field of nerdiness so ill bite....Conflicting temperamental characteristics lead to unpredictable outcomes in the puppies. The result is the hybrid pups arent really suitable for the work that either parent was bred for. A good example would be a high prey drive border collie bred to a low prey drive lgd breed like a great pyrenees.

Blogger Tetro May 18, 2020 10:02 AM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:How much of that is a remnant of the ethnic divisions between Norman conquerors and Anglo-Saxon natives from almost 1000 years ago? Is there any continuity there at all?

Can't speak to England, but it seems to me, from my pitifully meager level of knowledge of Irish history, that the Anglo-Norman versus Irish division lasted well into modern times. I would think more so than the Norman versus Anglo-Saxon divides within England.

Blogger John Rockwell May 18, 2020 10:20 AM  

We are seeing Ethnogenesis in real time. God will over time refine the Mongrels into a new Ethnic group after ironing out the kinks.

Blogger John Rockwell May 18, 2020 10:23 AM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:JamesB.BKK wrote:But see for consolation if needed, hybrid vigor. What's done is done. There's some evidence that second cousins (I believe it was second) produce offspring with the ideal immune systems. Scent studies also found a similar result for scent preference (again, if I recall correctly).

Also, there's some good evidence that admixtures that are extreme (say, very north and very south) may lead to nicely symmetrical features, but to temperament issues that have to do with brain development we don't really understand well. The facial symmetry in this sense is sort of throwing off a heuristic used to determine genetic health. Symmetry is perceived subconsciously as healthy, when in fact, there's probably some underlying mental weaknesses concurrent. 

A safe example would be Asian-Americans having a high predisposition towards depression.  Also, I've been told that dog-breeders wouldn't find this cross-breed temperament issue very surprising? I'm not sure.

My guess is that our brains, or at least male brains, are meant to be asymmetrical. And it may be that brain symetry (similar to facial symmetry) an affect of extreme admixing. I've never read such a study, but, it'd be intersting to see if there is data out there.


I think there is definitely going to be problems at 1st. But Natural Selection will refine the genetics and Fashion a New Nation.

All those problems will be going away over time.

Blogger BalancedTryteOperators May 18, 2020 10:28 AM  

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Blogger James Dixon May 18, 2020 10:46 AM  

> None. Such individuals don’t have a tribe or a nation.

Fortunately for them, many of the rural American based tribes are rather welcoming as long as you don't make trouble. So you can find a place you will be tolerated, even if you don't actually fit in.

Blogger 7916 May 18, 2020 10:47 AM  

Whatever you might think or say of your past it's only purpose is to provide a basis for your future decisions. Atomization and neglect of culture, tradition, and purpose has happened. Fixing aimlessness starts with you, right now.

In the last year I used to post elsewhere comparing having children to planting trees, and why it was wise to do both now, versus 5 years ago or some time in the future. The typical derision of the don't get married crowd and those who had no concept of the relationship between children and trees in this context of fixing aimlessness, providing a purpose, and building a future you'll never see can't be overcome factually, only rhetorically.

This is a different audience, fortunately.

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 10:52 AM  

"That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world."

No.

Most of our ancestors came voluntarily.

Some of our ancestors were brought here in chains.

(((Very few))) of our ancestors were kicked out of their previous homes.

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 10:55 AM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:25% Scottish. That explains a lot.

I'm curious -- what do you mean?

Not looking for an argument, so I'll probably not reply to your reply, whether it's positive or negative.

Blogger Daniel May 18, 2020 10:56 AM  

This is probably the driving force behind the transsexual epidemic. Tribe-seekers willing to do the exotic rituals, mutilations and sex and social practices unique to the clan in the attempt to join something durable, identifiable and larger than themselves. For some people, it beats secular nomadicity.

Blogger Matthew May 18, 2020 11:00 AM  

I'm Italian-Polish. I guess I'm lucky that that's a pretty common mix in some areas of the U.S, and it's only two nationalities. I have often felt I should only marry a person of similar heritage because I have assumed that people who are extremely mixed are for the most part not happy about it. Is this a responsible position to take?

Blogger megabar May 18, 2020 11:00 AM  

America has an identity. Well, it did when I grew up in a typical white suburb. AFAICT, nobody felt like an outsider due to heritage. I sure didn't, as a Euro mutt of Anglo and Mediterranean ancestry.

Europeans are not all the same, but they're not dramatically different, and when you select for willingness to migrate, they were compatible enough. The lunch tables in my schools were pretty integrated across our ethnicities (Slav, Irish, Italian, German, some English). Notably, in contrast, in high school there were de facto segregated black tables.

Importantly, the average of the Euro immigrant traits resulted in a lawful and prosperous people.

I think white America still has an identity -- one of self-reliance and service to the group. But it's rapidly collapsing as we attempt to integrate people who are not innately similar. Watching the Super Bowl halftime show was more like watching Telemundo than an American sporting event.

If the US halts immigration, it _may_ form a new single identity. I'm not sure, because blacks are still a separate group on the whole after all this time. But if Hispanics, Arabs, and blacks do ultimately integrate, the new identity that forms will be less prosperous, because genes matter.

Blogger Macs May 18, 2020 11:10 AM  

I'm a Deadhead.

Blogger VD May 18, 2020 11:15 AM  

"That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world."

No.


FFS, Akulkis, it's not necessary to sperg and show off what a Smart Boy you are every time anyone says anything that is not strictly and literally true.

It's a quote from the movie STRIPES.

You're literally attempting to correct a quote from a 39-year-old Bill Murray comedy.

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 11:16 AM  

" I'm given to understand that class distinctions are still pretty important in England (or were until recently). How much of that is a remnant of the ethnic divisions between Norman conquerors and Anglo-Saxon natives from almost 1000 years ago?"

Remember, when the Normans captured the English crown (1066), they were speaking French... and French continued to be the language of the English court, and much of the nobility for hundreds of years thereafter. [I think this is one of the reasons why English-speaking women to this day regard that language of mumbled slurring as "sexy"... due to the association with political power and wealth in English-speaking culture.]

The upper class there STILL distinguishes themselves by dropping French words and phrases, less for the purpose of communication than a sense of "now see, when *I* drink my tea, *my* pinky finger is raised away from the handle, not the way those working class oafs who hold the handle like it's a beer mug!"

Growing up and reading a LOT of personal memoirs from WW1 and WW2 front-line combatants, those written by RAF fighter pilots (who nearly all came from the "upper crust" families -- almost all were Cambridge or Oxford alumni) tended to come across as pretentious, using a 25-cent French phrases even when a 5-cent English word would do perfectly as well. They narrated their stories very differently from even other British officers, and most especially differently from the submarine captains. [In contrast, if you didn't know about the high degree of mental acuity needed to fly fighter planes even as early as WW2, you would think that the typical American fighter pilot barely graduated from high school, as opposed to being the engineers that nearly every single one of them were.]

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 11:21 AM  

Ah, I missed that.

I saw STRIPES twice, and the last time was 30 years ago.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos May 18, 2020 11:22 AM  

Imagine becoming conscious and finding yourself treading water in the ocean. Around you are ships of all kinds and sizes, but none of the passengers care that you’re alone in the sea. You try to climb aboard, but time after time, you’re told “you don’t belong on OUR ship.” They leave you, and as they sail off, you can hear their songs and stories, and smell their food. You feel tired and alone. Off in the distance you see a *raft*, of all things, headed straight toward you. As it approaches, you notice that, unlike the other boats, the people on this raft have different uniforms, different flags, and, other than all being mostly-pale, different features. Almost upon you, they finally notice your head bobbing above the water, and one of them shouts “hey, one of our guys is in the water!” Several of them rush over, lift you up, embrace you, and say “you belong on our ship.” You don’t correct him, because it’s obviously a crappy raft, not a ship, but at least you aren’t alone in the sea. That night, you eat, and the food is vaguely familiar, you have heard of their stories, and there is music, which you learn in time.

Occasionally, you see one of the real ships, and long for passage on one, but you know you don’t belong on any of them, so you do what you can to make a life for yourself among the man on the raft.

That’s what makes white nationalist idiots.

Blogger Enjcj May 18, 2020 11:43 AM  

Europeans "tribe" is the traditional Catholic faith. Without it you're nothing and have no "culture" as reliable observed. Good news is there's a resurgence of the faith. Young women and men are repopulating and course correcting, vigorously.

Blogger upchuckmcduck May 18, 2020 12:05 PM  

How do we unatomize and form new nations? Is it as simple as big families and time? Does nation formation have to wait for the collapse of the USA?

Blogger Starboard May 18, 2020 12:09 PM  

We've been told the lie that America is one culture. Anyone who has lived in more than one state knows that isn't true. By buying into corporate nomad ideals we lose our regional cultures until no place feels like home, even our hometowns.
People don't recognize their own culture until an obviously foreign culture moves in, whether that be Californians moving east, Yankees moving south, or Mexicans moving north.

Blogger John Rockwell May 18, 2020 12:14 PM  

megabar wrote:

If the US halts immigration, it _may_ form a new single identity. I'm not sure, because blacks are still a separate group on the whole after all this time. But if Hispanics, Arabs, and blacks do ultimately integrate, the new identity that forms will be less prosperous, because genes matter.



Executing Violent Criminals of both sexes. And Clarkian Selection led to the Prosperous Europe of the Industrial Revolution.

That may have to be repeated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P78Zd8265_k

Blogger The Cooler May 18, 2020 12:19 PM  

The nationless form nations, given the proper stimulus. It happened with deracinated African blacks upon being shipped to the Americas; almost instantaneously, in fact. Which ought to open-up entirely different landscapes of consideration for those so inclined.

Forget tribe, many US citizens don't even have a clan, as their extended families are spread out across the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

I would argue one has a clan whether one wants to or not, regardless of the spatial distance between clan members. It's either that, or there is a definitive amount of both time and space one has to be apart for the apical ancestor to no longer matter, or, there are subjective considerations that can, at least potentially, trump familial ties in the determination of clan-ness. Things get fuzzy with 'tribe' and fuzzier still is the space in between tribe and 'nation'. The dynamism increases the further away one gets from the nuclear family.

Group Identity is a formula, not an equation; the ultimate arbiter being the consensus of the appropriate caste, when opposing yet equally reasonable viewpoints present themselves.

I see this caste on the horizon.

Blogger VD May 18, 2020 12:46 PM  

I saw STRIPES twice, and the last time was 30 years ago.

And the comparison of Americans to Spartans, of all people, didn't strike you as highly improbable?

The point is to stop deriving pleasure from correcting others. It is a serious weakness. There is no reality police, except perhaps gravity.

Blogger Salt May 18, 2020 12:58 PM  

I am entertained.

Blogger 7916 May 18, 2020 1:03 PM  

@81

Yes, have families and 3+ children. It will take time.

Land is also important. Atomization is easy when everyone is moving. Culture and nations develop when the same people are in the same place over many generations. Find a place and stay there, and educate your children to do so as well. That means teaching them how to live within and develop the economy of their home. It also means rejecting boomerism of assets; turn over control of the business and property you build to your children early, pay them well, such that they have a reason to stay on their land and in their home. Make it a priority project that they meet young people that look like them near their home and approve of earlier marriage for girls, and later marriage for boys after they can support a family.

Also, plant trees now rather than later. A good storage food garden this year would not go amiss either.

Blogger Careless Whisper May 18, 2020 2:10 PM  

Son of a bitch I don't think you could accurately say my *county* and the next county to the north have anything resembling a common culture. Regionalism deserves much greater consideration on a micro scale.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 18, 2020 2:15 PM  

We've been told the lie that America is one culture. Anyone who has lived in more than one state knows that isn't true.

I think there's a default culture that we tend to think of as American, that you see in books, TV, and movies. Happy Days, A Christmas Story, Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn, The Brady Bunch, etc. All recognizably American, even though there are regional differences. But those highlight the commonalities while ignoring the differences, and culture alone doesn't make a nation anyway.

I recently watched the original Little Shop of Horrors, and I kept thinking how glad I am that I don't live around people like that. The "humor" that opens the movie comes from an old woman trying to haggle a better deal out of the shop owner by moaning about how poor she is and how his prices are a rip-off and him crying about how he's nearly bankrupt. So Jewish and so New York City. Those people are completely foreign to me, yet we're both supposedly American.

The work of Jayman and others on the 11-nations hypothesis shows how divided we really are, and how most Americans probably belong to a nation more than they realize. I live near the border between the Midlands and Greater Appalachia, and as soon as I saw that map, it explained things I'd noticed all my life. Drive a little to the north, and you get tidier neighborhoods with stricter zoning and pets on leashes. Drive a bit to the south, and you get more dogs running loose and people burning their own trash in the back yard. Neither one is necessarily wrong, but one or the other probably suits you better, and that has to do with your nationality. Those unstated nations still exist because most Americans *aren't* mutts as much as they think. We just never had to think about it, because we had this post-war artificial culture that worked well enough for a while.

Blogger BalancedTryteOperators May 18, 2020 2:46 PM  

Yes society's rules against anti-miscegenation only apply to the little people.

Blogger Gallant May 18, 2020 2:48 PM  

A problem has been pointed out, and probably correctly. And (paraphrasing what is said around here) pointing out a problem does not obligate the person to name some solution.

That said, all of us, or each of us, eventually has to find some path forward with the problem and the rest of reality in mind.

Like the poster who was referring to Germany, even if not German perhaps pointing out the issues to people who are is still helpful. In a way with what is called 'white flight' people are trying to demographically rebalance, albeit subconsciously . . . maybe explore the nuances to this and see if it can be done in a more orderly or deliberative fashion.

Blogger Maidels May 18, 2020 3:08 PM  

As today is my 51st birthday, this is an opportune time to ponder my own lack of "people". I see my experience is similar to many. I am part "Posterity-American" as some of my ancestors arrived on the Mayflower. But honestly, what does it matter any more? I have 75 close first-cousins, most of whom identify as patriotic Americans but who also describe themselves as other nationalities- Welsh, Polish, German, Italian, African etc. As close as we still are, and despite the deep love and loyalty we share for each other and our country, heritage still divides us. As my son lamented to me a few years ago, "I wish we had people." I surmise many Americans are not self-aware enough to recognize the malaise.

Blogger map May 18, 2020 3:23 PM  

This "tribal identity" isn't hard to recognize or develop. Your tribe is the tribe that the government has identified for attack and marginalization. Funny, how the government does not make any distinction between German, Irish, Italian, Polish, English, or European. The government has no trouble with these categories when t wants to identify a problem. Why should anyone here?

It's like "conspiracy." The government can prattle on about "conspiracy theories" on the one hand, and then legally charge you with "conspiracy" on the other, when it suits them.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 18, 2020 3:45 PM  

You work with the "smart enough to flee Haiti, Jamaica, and Africa," negroes.
Have you ever spent any time with the gen pop of those places? Have you walked around them as a white man in their countries? Because I have and there's a reason Haiti is a 4th world country yearning to be 3rd world and the only functioning part of Jamaica is held up by tourism and white property ownership.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo May 18, 2020 5:40 PM  

A lot of people here were insulting "white nationalist mongrels" for lacking a tribe. But that is lazy reasoning. White tribes are already forming in USA. And besides there is a pretty old and pretty large white tribe of "dixie flag" that will be a big factor in the future. That is why the left is devoting so much energy in pulling down the statues of their heroes.

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 6:13 PM  

@95

Something tells me that Robert Ludlum had never even met one Jamaican when he wrote "The Cry of the Halidon" in 1974. Suspension of disbelief shattered.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 18, 2020 6:31 PM  

"New nations have formed before"

Yes and will again, but in the mean time stillborn nations will lose territory to other pre-established tribes, and will probably never get all of it back.

The sufficiently mixed will be tied to the "flame" for a time until they run true long enough to develop features and behaviors that will set them apart, and prune these among disciplines capable of holding territory. I expect a lot of them to fail and disappear from history.

"Your tribe is the tribe that the government has identified for attack and marginalization."

Yes, accepting the enemy's classification of you is a smart way to self-organize. Wait, no it isn't, it's dumb as hell. They classify you as "white" because "white" has no structure to support it and no strength to persecute its accusers. It's an evocated weak point to be exploited.

Blogger sammibandit May 18, 2020 7:26 PM  

Thanks. Right off the bat I see I made some thinking errors in the past. This topic is a most interesting enigma.

Blogger Autarky Bear May 18, 2020 7:35 PM  

Yes this true. It took me alot of time to accept, but it makes sense and shows in how someone acts.

I'm the descendent of conquered Mexicans/Spanish nobleman in the southwest on my paternal side, but my maternal side are from Italy(grandparents). So it's been hard picking a tribe, but I think American Mongrel sounds like a good way to sum it up.

For now I plan to start my own tribe and clan, as hard as it may be.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf May 18, 2020 7:50 PM  

I wonder how long a Civil War would last in the event of a break-up of the USA? Maybe 6 years tops?

Blogger MidnightSun May 18, 2020 10:18 PM  

I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the tribe of "Christianity!" Where are all the on 'bended knee' people? This is what we are. This what we have to identifying as. This is where the power lies. This is the way the truth and the life. We already have the power. Now use it.

Blogger Akulkis May 18, 2020 10:49 PM  

Meng Greenleaf, the left/globohomo/parasite coalition is almost (but not completely) unarmed in comparison to their numbers. In contrast, the right/nationalist/productive coalition owns over 90% of the weapons that can reach out beyond 50m with accuracy.... and they go to the range often enough to make use of that long reach. Also tend to live in less vulnurable areas (not cities) and have the majority of the skills needed to sustain life (growing food, building & repairing things) and among their numbers are the majority of those in government uniform who carry weapons, or did so at one time, especially those with actual war experience and good enough physical capacity to make use of that experience.

The left has been yearning to stat a revolution for over a hundred years, but hasn't done so because they know the odds aren't in their favor if it comes to force of arms.

There's a store that, in the face of a mobilization of German troops to invade Switzerland, with a force 2x the size of the Swiss army, a Swiss ambassador in Spain(?) advised his German counterpart that such a move would be fruitless. The German ambassador asked what the Swiss reservists could do in the face of such forces coming over the Alps -- and the Swiss ambassador's reply was simple: [Each reservist] "shoots two and goes home."

In a U.S. civil war, patriots might have to draw straws to see who even gets to "shoot one and go home" before there are no more targets.

The left doesn't have the numbers -- they have the organizations which make it APPEAR that they have at least 10x more than they actually do. And even the most violent ones will back down when directly confronted -- they attack ONLY from ambush precisely because they know they don't have the numbers on their side.

Blogger Kiwi May 18, 2020 10:55 PM  

I describe myself as New Zealand European but I'm a New Zealander. The native decedents would describe themselves as Maori but are Tangata whenua (people of the land), which predates the naming of NZ. Collectively, sounds very China I know, we call ourselves Kiwi.

Don't ask me how this happened but it does explain why our biggest gang is called the mongrel mob.

Blogger SirHamster May 18, 2020 10:56 PM  

TMLutas wrote:Fix your tribe, Vox says. That's easier said than done. The tools are lacking. The tools to make the tools aren't even there yet.
National decline and revival is not a new problem or need. History gives us enough direction to get started.

The starting point of your nation is your religion and your worship. Without the Author of Life, your nation is DOA.

Abraham was an old man married to an old woman. He became the father of many nations, because of faith.

Your nation begins with faith. Faith in God by living in faithful obedience to all His laws and principles.

Your tribe is broken because of faithlessness. Rebuild faith in God and your tribe will find healing.

JamesB.BKK wrote:I was talking to an expat Swede a few years ago about how poorly I thought that government was treating its people, considering myself a staunch defender of Swedes. Which I probably was. Boy, did he get pissed off at me.
If you accurately criticized my father to my face, I would consider it an insult, no matter how truthful. For you as a non-Swede to criticize the Swedish government triggered the same feelings in the expat Swede.

It's not surprising he got pissed off. Are you surprised?

Blogger Primus Pilus May 19, 2020 5:02 AM  

SirHamster wrote:If you accurately criticized my father to my face, I would consider it an insult, no matter how truthful. For you as a non-Swede to criticize the Swedish government triggered the same feelings in the expat Swede.

Especially coming from an American, when the US is far worse off demographically than Sweden.

Sweden is still 88% European and 81% Swedish.

Blogger doctrev May 19, 2020 5:46 AM  

Akulkis wrote:
The left doesn't have the numbers -- they have the organizations which make it APPEAR that they have at least 10x more than they actually do. And even the most violent ones will back down when directly confronted -- they attack ONLY from ambush precisely because they know they don't have the numbers on their side.


The segment of the traitor coalition with actual preparation is preposterously weak and small, as you said. And now their main homes are even weaker thanks to lockdown and public pressure. It's entirely possible that the ground is being prepped to crush them entirely- at which point mail-in votes will become rather superflous.

If nationalists have a disadvantage, it's imagining that everyone is ready to go in shooting. If they had half the left's initiative, the war would have already begun in earnest. The Minutemen used ambushes- you can too!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 19, 2020 6:16 AM  

"I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the tribe of "Christianity!""

Not a tribe. End of story.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 19, 2020 7:16 AM  

Are you surprised?

Nope, especially after I kept going on and on after he was red-faced. I would add that criticizing social Democrat mob rule govts or govts of other stripes in particular about their importations of self segregating - with qualified exceptions for rape fests, abuse of the local girls, and sexual emergencies at the local swimming pool changing room - enemies of the locals is unlike criticizing one's father.

Blogger ZhukovG May 19, 2020 8:30 AM  

@Meng Greenleaf: Just my opinion, but this is how I see it happening.

Phase I - Ideological Split: Most folks in the USA are to greater or lesser degree Civic Nationalists and tend to describe their differences with others in terms of Left/Right, Conservative/Progressive, Republican/Democrat.

So the first split will likely be a Blue vs. Red split, not unlike what Kurt Schlichter describes in his 'Peoples Republic' books. But that is just the beginning.

Phase II - Your Skin is Your Uniform: During and immediately after Phase I, racial issues begin. This will primarily effect Blue(Leftist) America. After everyone sorts themselves out ideologically, Red(Right) America will likely be firmly European Majority. While Blue America is Minority Majority. Blue America will probably descend into chaos at this point while Red America proceeds to Phase III.

Phase III - I'll Take My Stand: Mostly in Red America folks will come to the initially uncomfortable realization that an Irish-American is not an Italian-American is not a Southerner is not a, well you get the idea. Further Splits here will likely be generally amicable. It is even possible that a New Union may form provided the New Constitution strongly supports Regional Sovereignty.

Phase IV - Reconquista: Eventually the issues in Blue America will cause issues for Red America. Red America or a coalition of Red American Nation-States will reconquer and reorganize Blue America under Red American ideals.

Of course, I could be totally wrong.

Blogger ZhukovG May 19, 2020 8:37 AM  

Americans are in no position to criticize any European Nation.

Blogger MidnightSun May 19, 2020 8:51 AM  

@108 "Not a tribe. End of story."

It this suppose to be a end all a statement?

I have news for you. Christianity is the only hope you have of driving the evil out of this miserable funcking world!

After 3-4 generations of living in a host country, immigrants no longer identify with their country of origin but the tenants of their faith. We see this in most open societies today. Look at the mess the Mohammedians have made of Europe. And since you don't believe this theory I guess you'll never recognize which 'tribe' holds the most power today in the US.

Blogger Storm Rhode May 19, 2020 8:56 AM  

From what I understand, white is a made up term from around 70 years ago by people who had bad intentions in using it. E Michael Jones spelled it out if you want some bread crumbs to follow. Hence, I'm not keen on embracing their frame. Also, white encompasses many Nations. Russians, Icelanders, Australians and Italians are very different people and for them to work together could require recognizing that.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2020 10:38 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the tribe of "Christianity!""

Not a tribe. End of story.

Not a tribe, but a sound foundation for coalitions of tribes.
Autarky Bear wrote:For now I plan to start my own tribe and clan, as hard as it may be.
If everyone takes that approach, it boils down to everyone going it alone.
You need to find a real-life group that will accept and trust you, and be a trustworthy part of it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 19, 2020 1:20 PM  

Christianity is the only hope you have of driving the evil out of this miserable funcking world!

That doesn't make it a nationality. It's a category error.

After 3-4 generations of living in a host country, immigrants no longer identify with their country of origin but the tenants of their faith.

Did Karl Rove tell you that? Mexicans are supposedly Catholic, but after a couple generations in the US they get abortions at a higher rate than American white women. And they still wave Mexican flags at soccer matches in the US.

Also, it's "tenets."

Blogger SirHamster May 19, 2020 5:20 PM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:I would add that criticizing social Democrat mob rule govts or govts of other stripes in particular about ... is unlike criticizing one's father.
You are incorrect. This is basic insider/outsider dynamics. Your nation is your father, and your government is your father's system.

If I complain about my father or how he does things, I'm not inviting you to criticize him or list all his sins, no matter how accurately you can do so. Even more so if I didn't bring it up in the first place.

In an abstract intellectual discussion, one can talk about anything. At the conversational, emotional level, no. Don't be a social retard.

"Stop talking shit about my country, American fatty."

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 19, 2020 11:08 PM  

Americans are in no position to criticize any European Nation.

Here we see an example of a failure to properly distinguish a people from its state, its government, its rapacious and enslaving on behalf of others often feckless overlords, of whom the people or many of them are often victims. Intentional? Who knows.

The United States has many people descended from those that decamped from European countries, who are therefore in a perfect position to explain some of the continuing reasons why. About the govt of the Kingdom of Sweden I'm betting the CCP is all asking, "Who'd those guys and fat ladies in Stockholm pay for all that fawning press coverage?"

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 19, 2020 11:15 PM  

Your nation is your father, and your government is your father's system.

If one's father did what the state does with aplomb and adulation from all the wrong people, he'd deserve to be in jail. Or executed. The government under mob rule posing as sacred holy democracy is other people's fathers' government. Don't be a serf-tard.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 19, 2020 11:31 PM  

If I complain about my father or how he does things, I'm not inviting you to criticize him or list all his sins, no matter how accurately you can do so. Even more so if I didn't bring it up in the first place.

Don't know about lists. Really a single issue thing about importation of savages that despise their hosts and enjoy abusing the latter's daughters while govt largely lets the former off scot-free.

If your father is abusing you and you don't see it or rather support it due to years of school messaging from tender years and I see it and don't support it, should I remain mute or feign agreement so as to not upset you? Is it better for you to retain bliss or worse self-righteousness in supporting those that abuse you or others on your behalf or for me to air truth? Assume that I am correct or at least pointing out facts worthy of consideration.

Blogger sammibandit May 20, 2020 4:57 AM  

For a guy who is so self-assured in his stride you sure whine a lot, JamesB.BKK. Obviously you got feelings about being called out and the more you talk the more obvious the self-troll becomes. And the Swedes are the losers in your mind? Cope harder, boy. Now please stop treating the thread like your own personal LiveJournal.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 20, 2020 5:57 AM  

"It this suppose to be a end all a statement?"

It's a literal statement that a tribe is a tribe, and Christianity is not a tribe. This is not hard, you're just stupid or dishonest. Crack open a dictionary.

"After 3-4 generations of living in a host country, immigrants no longer identify with their country of origin but the tenants of their faith."

Dishonest it is then. They identify with both.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 20, 2020 6:01 AM  

James, it's all another form of removing the beam from your own eye first. Don't be surprised that the guy gets hostile when you criticize his gov which is doing better than ours.

Blogger Akulkis May 20, 2020 8:07 AM  

"Phase III - I'll Take My Stand: Mostly in Red America folks will come to the initially uncomfortable realization that an Irish-American is not an Italian-American is not a Southerner is not a, well you get the idea. Further Splits here will likely be generally amicable. It is even possible that a New Union may form provided the New Constitution strongly supports Regional Sovereignty."

All that's really needed is a determination that the "interstate commerce clause" and the "general welfare clause" do NOT give Congress carte blanche to make into binding law whatever cockamamie idiocy the K-street lobbyists want.

Blogger Akulkis May 20, 2020 8:14 AM  

I'm still waiting for James.BKK to tell me what my being 25% Scottish has to do with anything. I don't know if it's a plus or minus in his book, but obviously, something was on his mind, I'm interested in hearing (not for reasons of hostility), and he still won't put it to words.

Very strange.

(James, if you're worried about insulting me or whatever, don't be. In my life, some of the most useful observations have been people telling me something I didn't want to hear (but soon realized that the criticism was true, and I should do something about it)).

Blogger ZhukovG May 20, 2020 8:17 AM  

@Azure Amaranthine: You get it, as usual. James, not so much. MidnightSun, completely out of his depth.

My family has lived in North America since the Virginia Colony, around 400 years. In the 1980's I was stationed in the United Kingdom. I hadn't been there a week, and I felt like I had come to another home that I didn't know I had.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 20, 2020 9:03 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:

"After 3-4 generations of living in a host country, immigrants no longer identify with their country of origin but the tenants of their faith."

Dishonest it is then. They identify with both.

If you see yourself as an immigrant, you aren't assimilated.
If you have any identity other than one of us, you aren't us.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 20, 2020 9:21 AM  

Did I say Swedes are losers? Show me.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 20, 2020 9:24 AM  

I think Scots are great. One of them with help from other Scots invented the reciprocating steam engine.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 20, 2020 9:27 AM  

A determination that the 14th Amendment does not invert the agency of the federal government and the states would need to precede these no?

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 20, 2020 9:32 AM  

Don't be surprised that the guy gets hostile when you criticize his gov which is doing better than ours.

No surprise. Most or all people make their govt part of their identity to various extents. We're tricked into thinking we somehow control it or it is our friend. In the US it is a high art form. Sweden's State is very adept at this too. You did use the ol' cleaner-shirt-in-the-hamper defense though.

Blogger sammibandit May 20, 2020 12:34 PM  

You definitely showed us you're a loser.

Blogger MidnightSun May 20, 2020 1:24 PM  

Mr or Ms. Azure:

You've clearly don't know what your talking about. Do you consider the Jewish people a tribe?

Blogger MidnightSun May 20, 2020 1:30 PM  

When you look at the state of affairs in the United States its no doubt that these people have stuck together and promoted themselves and their organizations. I suggest we as Christians start doing the same. So don't get all high and mighty saying "I'm either stupid or dishonest. It's you who cant see the forest for the trees!

Blogger sammibandit May 20, 2020 2:19 PM  

MidnightSun you can't just tell the world that God made the tribes incorrectly. Stop that.

Blogger ZhukovG May 20, 2020 2:37 PM  

@MidnightSun: I'll try to keep this simple.

A Nation/Tribe is a People who share a common Cultural AND Genetic Heritage. The Jews are a Nation. Christians are not.

Christianity can be part (I would argue, the most important part) of the Cultural heritage of a Nation. But it is not the whole of a Nation.

African-American Christians are a completely different Nation from British-American Christians. They can have amicable relations, but they are still better kept in separate territories.

Blogger SirHamster May 20, 2020 7:13 PM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:If your father is abusing you and you don't see it or rather support it due to years of school messaging from tender years and I see it and don't support it, should I remain mute or feign agreement so as to not upset you? Is it better for you to retain bliss or worse self-righteousness in supporting those that abuse you or others on your behalf or for me to air truth?
If this were a face to face conversation, your asking a hypothetical of my father being an abuser is in itself an insult, and I'd be wondering if you were trying to pick a fight.

Your hypothetical is too mushy to illustrate a principle. Am I being quiet about my father's abuse or supportive of it? Those are two different scenarios. That in turn makes your options nonsensical. How would you feign agreement with my being quiet?

If I am being abused and quiet about my father's abuse, then in this scenario I am an abuse victim. What is this bliss or self-righteousness you assume is there, and why would you be trying to fix the victim instead of dealing with the abuser? It doesn't follow. You are not thinking clearly or speaking precisely.

JamesB.BKK wrote:Most or all people make their govt part of their identity to various extents. We're tricked into thinking we somehow control it or it is our friend.
You're the kind of guy who will white knight for a woman getting beaten by her boyfriend in the street, and then become surprised when she attacks you to help her boyfriend.

B-b-but you were helping her! She must be tricked somehow!

Too bad she doesn't see it that way. It's not a trick. Normal people aren't atomized libertarians.

"I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world."

Blogger MidnightSun May 20, 2020 7:22 PM  

@sammibandit

I don't know what your talking about. I never said "God made the tribes incorrectly.'

@ZhukovG
Apparently they have turned America into their nation because they either own or run a great percentage of the following:
Mainstream Media
Wall Street
Banking
Hollywood
Political Offices
Universities
Non-Profits
If they have their own nation as you claim, they clearly have hijacked American Institutions therefore making them a tribe of the multi-cultural United States of America.
The same with Muslims. They banned together in Europe and America and have their own tribal villages in many cases "no go zones."
So tell me why as Christians the minute we try to organize they calls us racist, zealots, homophobes etc.
What I'm saying we as 'white people' have Christianity in common and if we don't ban together we will soon disappear as these other "tribes' are free to do whatever they want and never face consequences. Let the Black Christians in Africa fight the battles in Africa. I'm sure they go thru the same discrimination as we do here in the US and Europe. The whole agenda of the left is to eradicate you the Christian. If there is no cohesion between Irish, Italian, Greece,., German etc., etc., Christians we will never ever win!
Therefore unite under the banner of Christianity.

Blogger Johnny May 21, 2020 1:30 AM  

Vox's form of Nationalism is too genetically deterministic. He's stated in the past that former Yugoslavs like the Bosniaks, Croatians, and Serbians were genetically different and thus eventually balkanized. Where's the proof that European nations are simply genetic in nature?

Studies on Autosomal DNA (The best metric to determine genetic similarity between groups) have come up with different results. For example, look at the Autosomal DNA in the top-left corner: https://imgur.com/a/KpdoPOL

Pay attention to Croatian ("Cro"), Bosnians ("Bos"), and Serbians ("Se"). Look how close they are genetically speaking. Now look at ethnic Russians from North Russia, Central Russia, and South Russia ("RuN", "RuC", and "RuS"). The Russians are WAY farther from each other than the Former Yugoslavs are. Yet just 30 years ago the former Yugoslavs slaughtered each other to have independent nation-states from one another while Russians would look at you funny if you said North, Central, and South Russians were actually different nations.

You could say that the Russians simply haven't had their biological tendencies expressed yet, but that's more of a just-so theory.

The better explanation is that like all behavior - both heritable factors and environment play a role in what make the different European nations distinct. Biology is very important when it comes to things like race because it causes IQ gaps which lead to disparate outcomes as well as things like the warrior gene coming into play. There's also the fact that humans have a natural "Us vs. Them" instinct when it comes to race as that study where they put magnets on people's heads to make them less bigoted showed.

So I'm skeptical of the role underlying ethnic differences would play amongst White America. The ideological differences between White Americans (Excluding Jews and Middle Easterners) aren't that vast. Just take away the false Conservatism vs. Liberalism divide and give the Nationalist Populism and they'd unite as a single American polity (Well except for a few liberal catladies and LGBTQXYZ who'd just be fringe lunatics with no institutional backing).

Blogger Johnny May 21, 2020 1:40 AM  

@113

The term White is centuries older than that. The word or a similar word has been used whenever Europeans encountered other people. That's what white means - someone descended from Europe.

In China it doesn't matter if you're Italian, Russian, Irish, or German. You're a "gweilo". Similar story in the US where racial diversity lead people to associate with their race, intermarry with them, live next to them, etc. All whites who've been here for 3-4 generations are nearly indistinguishable from one another.

Blogger JamesB.BKK May 21, 2020 5:04 AM  

Mr. Hamster be assured that no such street intervention would ever occur. Who came up with the retarded idea that the state is our father? That's where we got off rails. It doesn't take some atomized libertarian to see that a group of parasites unrelated by blood posing as helpers cannot be one's father, in particular where they're going to turn over Malmo to people they're importing after convincing the natives that reproducing is evil. Spiraled into you shot my paw; them's fightin' words quickly.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 21, 2020 12:30 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:African-American Christians are a completely different Nation from British-American Christians.
Yes! Nationality is blood and soil and culture/religion. Becoming a Christian doesn't change your nationality, it makes you a saved whatever-you-were-before.


Midnight, Jews are a nation because they are blood relatives, not because they share a religion.
There are Christian nations, but Christians are NOT A nation, because not all Christians are blood relatives.
Same for Moslims. There are many Moslim nations, but there is not A Moslim nation.

Religion can be a basis for cooperation between nations, and that's what I think you're talking about in @137.

An African Christian is still an African. He becomes my brother in Christ, but he never becomes part of my nation. That's the way God made us: we're each born into our nations, we're each saved into God's church.

Blogger sammibandit May 21, 2020 3:34 PM  

@MidnightSun

You're right. My bad. You're a thoughtful person and I can see that you have the desired conclusion picked out: sink the damn ships. The other gentlemen are faring better at showing this.

That said, if you humor me I'll fix the rhetoric. Look at who and what is pushing the unity of Christianity: NGO rape invader footclans, overbese transvestites who want to use word magic to molest kids, women who just want to be seen as being nice, etc. Why should we do what our enemies and traitors want us to do? Uniting under the banner of Christianity in the material world necessarily means diluting the Gospel and weakening the Armor of God. The Kurgan says it best. Whatever sect you are, fight to be the best Christian you can be.

Blogger MidnightSun May 24, 2020 8:30 PM  

@sammibandit
How's this for humor:
I've been reading and commenting on this blog for about 5 years. Long before you came in and sucked up to Vox and every moderator here. You never take a stance and just pile on and demean those who have a different opinion from the above mentioned. I know you want to be accepted here but don't try so hard. It demeans your womanhood.

Now I'll address your immature comment: Obviously these are NOT Christians that are "pushing for the unity of Christianity." Often on this blog we speak of organizations that have been converged. The Vatican is no exception. 400 years of this lay back watch and see attitude, caving to Judaism and Islam is what exactly got us here in the first place. Just think if Crusaders had your attitude they'd be no Christianity today. So stay shuttered on your little farm in the middle of nowhere, I let you know when defeat is total! Or better still, you can read about it on the blog!

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