Wednesday, May 27, 2020

China brings Silicon Valley to heel

As I wrote in Corporate Cancer, China is going to dominate the consumer technology high ground - namely, the apps and interfaces, because they a) protect their home markets from competition and b) don't hate more than 50 percent of their users. The signs of this coming domination are already visible.
YouTube is automatically deleting comments that contain certain Chinese-language phrases related to criticism of the country’s ruling Communist Party (CCP). The company confirmed to The Verge this was happening in error and that it’s working to fix the issue.

“Upon review by our teams, we have confirmed this was an error in our enforcement systems and we are working to fix it as quickly as possible,” said a YouTube spokesperson. The company did not elaborate on how or why this error came to be, but said it was not the result of any change in its moderation policy.

But if the deletions are the result of a simple mistake, then it’s one that’s gone unnoticed for six months. The Verge found evidence that comments were being deleted as early as October 2019, when the issue was raised on YouTube’s official help pages and multiple users confirmed that they had experienced the same problem.

Comments left under videos or in live streams that contain the words “共匪” (“communist bandit”) or “五毛” (“50-cent party”) are automatically deleted in around 15 seconds, though their English language translations and Romanized Pinyin equivalents are not.
The fact that we're already seeing companies like Apple, Google, and Facebook beginning to kneel before Beijing means that it won't be long before other converged companies like Paypal and Patreon are completely compliant, assuming, of course, that they even survive the initial shock of competition from the East.

It's even possible that rogue independent platforms like SG, BitChute, and UATV may have a brighter future than the Silicon Valley giants.

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Blogger Robert Browning May 27, 2020 6:27 AM  

Huawei's, Meng gets a decision today.

Blogger A trite re-white May 27, 2020 6:52 AM  

Very telling

Blogger Rakshasa May 27, 2020 7:06 AM  

We should move away from the anachronistic comment system currently used, and move to a distributed one where you can comment on any webpage.

Don't like the official youtube moderation? Unsubscribe from their moderation actions and switch to another source of moderation for youtube-related comments, e.g. an AI that only removes spam and lame posts while leaving uncle posters alone.

Blogger TMLutas May 27, 2020 7:16 AM  

Sure, it's possible that the silicon valley giants will remain converged and slide downhill to an ignominious final doom. It's much more likely that they'll be taken over and reconfigured to make them better and they'll rise again.

Apple already died after all. The name survived but it's NeXT computer corporation "alumni" that are running the place. In a world where that has happened, it would be an interesting discussion to have regarding what corporate life and death really means.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 27, 2020 7:21 AM  

It shouldn't take a programmer to know that something like that can't happen "in error." Someone put certain phrases, in a specific language, on a block list, or they were put there by an automated process that works from reports--something gets reported enough times, it's automatically blocked. Either way, it's not something they'd have to work on to fix. Just unblock the phrases, "problem" solved.

Sad thing is, the CCP doesn't even have to twist arms to get it done. Just the fact that they're not-America and not-white means the SJWs at all these companies will volunteer to cover for them. It's no different from the NBA and its woke players bashing Trump and America in one tweet and running interference for China in the next.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 27, 2020 7:54 AM  

YT is protecting the CCP but you can still view "Anti-racist Hitler" vids from 4 years ago, thought I would mention that for those that like satire.

Blogger JDUP777 May 27, 2020 8:02 AM  

Why are these companies bowing before China? Most of them aren't allowed to operate there?

Blogger Miguel May 27, 2020 8:08 AM  

No wonder Neo-Palestinians are kvetching so much about China.

Blogger Solon May 27, 2020 9:23 AM  

Because most of them have heavy Chinese investment funding. Insult the CCP, lose your investors, company goes into a tailspin.

It has nothing to do with serving the Chinese population and everything to do with collecting Chinese money.

The CCP is like the Italian mafia loan sharks: we'll give you money, but now we own you. Dont play by our rules, we take you out.

Best solution is to ban foreign investment in American companies, just like China does, but that would ruffle a LOT of (((tailfeathers))).

Blogger Tars Tarkas May 27, 2020 10:14 AM  

This is nothing new. They have deleting English language comments for years. There are all kinds of words and phrases that cause an auto-deletion now.
Though I know nothing about the Chinese language, if it is anywhere near as flexible as English, this is a somewhat hopeless endeavor.

Blogger pnq87 May 27, 2020 10:15 AM  

This is something you can try for yourself. If you use the word "globohomo" in a youtube comment and check back after about 60 seconds your comment will have been deleted. I've tried other forms too such as "globo-homo" and gl0b0homo and they also get removed. Our enemy knows the power of rhetoric and the power of words. They have used the power of words against us for decades. Now that we are fighting back rhetorically via the internet with our own words they use the power of their tech monopolies to silence us.

Blogger Bodo Staron May 27, 2020 10:52 AM  

I have installed WeChat once, I wanted to see what it's all about because you can pay with it, chat etc.
The interface and usability is laughable, it runs badly even on a modern phone. They protect their markets because they would get crushed from Silicon Valley.
Didn't do anything with the app, was banned after a week, removed it and that's it. Chinese stuff is not our way out.

Blogger Dan in Georgia May 27, 2020 11:00 AM  

Anti-racist Hitler is the best Hitler. Ending is great. He lets Israel have a taste of Weimar Germany.

Blogger SamuraiJeff May 27, 2020 11:42 AM  

Crazy..well we can keep creating more words. Global homo was a really funny one

Blogger Akulkis May 27, 2020 11:57 AM  

"Don't like the official youtube moderation? Unsubscribe from their moderation actions and switch to another source of moderation for youtube-related comments, e.g. an AI that only removes spam and lame posts while leaving uncle posters alone."

I assume you have the software written and ready to roll out?

And how, while on the youtube page naive users going to comment on this other system without youtube providing links?

Blogger Section 8A May 27, 2020 12:32 PM  

The key phrase that hit hard with me was this one:

"and b) don't hate more than 50 percent of their users."

"Bad Whitey" was a winning strategy short term, with a certain sector of the population, but not long term. Required Reading for your MBA at SG University in 2027: "Corporate Cancer".

Blogger Steve Samson May 27, 2020 12:34 PM  

Is 'globopedo' still allowed?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 27, 2020 3:18 PM  

I have asked tons of people about this, and so far no one has had this exact experience.
About 2-3 mos ago I made.a playful comment on someone's YT comments that was calling MYSELF a redneck. Next day I get a message from Team YT telling me they had removed it and would ban my user acct if I continued making "racist" comments and they added a link to their rules.
I thought most comment moderation was under the purview of the 0age's owner so I contacted them very surprised because there was tons of way more blatant anti Twitter rules type of comments there. The person was extremely surprised, stated they considered themselves to be redneck as well and most definitely DID NOT delete or report my comment to YT and the only things that got removed on his page were the auto delete words programmed by YT.
Ok, we all have had that. You say something like globohomo or dindu and it's an auto delete.
What I've never heard of is TeamYT themselves, with a real person sending you an email stating they personally had removed a comment and also WHY that had happened.
Curious as to whether that is a new thing they are trying to roll out and this happened under testing to smooth out the kinks.
Btw, I have since posted dozens and dozens of more proactive comments to see what would happen,and those have been on tiny and huge accts,and some very political to not political at all, like cooking and farming channels.

The experiment continues...

Blogger cogofwar May 27, 2020 3:24 PM  

"I assume you have the software written and ready to roll out?

And how, while on the youtube page naive users going to comment on this other system without youtube providing links?"

It could be implemented as a browser extension that opens chat, based on the page you're on. The chat could begin by wrapping IRC - or some well-known protocol that supports moderation - in a point-click way that's easy for naive users to install and operate.

Technically, the browser extension could completely replace the YouTube chat, or let you switch between them, without touching any of YouTube's internal code.

That's just an example. I think he has a cool idea.

Blogger Gen. Kong May 27, 2020 4:13 PM  

Steve Samson wrote:

Is 'globopedo' still allowed?

It would be amusing to see the Chinese use 'globopedo' against the baizuo, especially those whose names (((echo through the pedo-eternity))). Here in Murika we there be two-parties: on stage left in the Globetrotter jerseys we have the Pedocrats and on stage right in the Generals jerseys we have Gay Old Pedos. That's almost as much choice as voters in Wuhan have.

Blogger Rakshasa May 27, 2020 5:22 PM  

"That's just an example. I think he has a cool idea."

I assumed everyone would know about Dissenter and that it already pioneered the concept of off-site comments on web-pages, and what I was suggesting was making the comments distributed and adding customizable filtering provided by either corporations or communities.

I guess this is a feeling VD often feels.

Blogger michimartini May 27, 2020 8:30 PM  

This already exists, forgot what it is called though.

Blogger Akulkis May 28, 2020 12:33 AM  

So basically, nobody pays attention to the existing platform to do so. Not surprising.

Blogger meo fio May 29, 2020 1:55 AM  

while google website is blocked in china, google still have offices in china

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