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Saturday, May 02, 2020

Exposing the fraudulent "Green" movement

Who would have expected Michael Moore would take on one of the biggest shibboleths of the Left, the so-called Green movement and its massive globo-corporate charade of "renewable energy":
Examples include a zoo that claims to power itself on 'renewable' elephant dung but only produces enough to heat the elephant house.

They film a supposedly solar-powered music festival that quietly plugs into the grid and a similar arrangement at General Motors' HQ at the launch of a hybrid, plug-in car, where the electricity grid powering the vehicle is '95 per cent' fed by coal.

The film also takes issue with solar panels, highlighting their limited shelf-life and that they are made from non-renewable quartz and coal.

In another sequence, joshua trees are chopped down in California so a huge solar facility can be built.

Moore's documentary is particularly damning of 'biomass', the supposedly-renewable energy created by burning organic matter. The film shows huge piles of trees that have been chopped down to feed a power plant, its chimney belching out smoke that appears far from environmentally sound.

Viewers are told biomass is the biggest single source of renewable energy around the world, and — nonsensically given it is supposed to be about energy conservation — has involved wood chips being shipped to Europe from North America, Brazil and Indonesia.

'Our anxiety over [global] warming has panicked us into embracing anything green or alternative without actually looking too closely at what is involved,' the film states. With plans to turn animal fat into biomass fuel, the film asks: 'Is there anything too terrible to qualify as green energy?'

The film suggests that mega-rich businessmen — including Sir Richard Branson and British timber investor Jeremy Grantham — and banks such as Goldman Sachs — are keen to invest in green energy because they want to make a quick buck rather than because they are worried for the planet. According to Moore, Toyota, Citibank and bulldozer giant Caterpillar becoming sponsors of Earth Day provided final confirmation that Big Business has taken over the green movement.

When they had picked their jaws off the floor, the first response from some of the climate scientists and environmental campaigners who have been enthusiasts for renewable energy delighted their opponents — they wanted to ban it.
The truth is always the most powerful rhetoric.

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94 Comments:

Blogger bramley May 02, 2020 6:05 AM  

Talking heap of blubber complains about misused biomass

Blogger Lazarus May 02, 2020 6:23 AM  

Another blessing from Coronachan. 50th anniversary of Earth Day cancelled. A Jubilee of sorts.

Blogger Toni Pereira May 02, 2020 6:28 AM  

Oh Mickey! We never knew you...

Blogger Brett baker May 02, 2020 6:28 AM  

Renewable energy was supported by environmental groups as reducing the amount of energy available to people. Now that we might actually be able to get a fair amount of energy from them, we must attack renewables.

Blogger Jpc May 02, 2020 6:33 AM  

The truth always hurts.
And loosing control of the narrative infuriates these people.
Watch the vilification come thick and fast.
Amazing that the same outraged folk never found issues with his previous work.

Blogger Gregory the Tall May 02, 2020 6:35 AM  

Of course, without governments regulating the emission of CO2 and subsidizing "alternative" sources no capitalist in his sane mind would have invested in these scams.

Blogger Ingemar May 02, 2020 7:01 AM  

What could have caused Moore to break ranks?

He's learning in real time that the Left has no principles and that any platform it adopts is simply a timely, expedient means of destroying society.

Blogger The Lab Manager May 02, 2020 7:02 AM  

I despise Moore; he could be melted down for some bio diesel and probably fuel a tractor trailer diesel a few tens of miles. But I may have to take a look a this one. Hopefully he covered that Nevada solar plant that is a net CO2 emitter from heating up the water before the sun comes out to operate. Or those blades off the windmills that break or are damaged and end up as landfill because there is no economical way to recycle them. The coming toxic waste issue if it is not already here of recycling the solar panels which will probably also end up as toxic landfill. I've found other examples, but these are some highlights.

Blogger Uncompliant May 02, 2020 7:23 AM  

Amazing (still) to me that the "tolerant" libtard's response to something they hate is to ban it.

Here's a great example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTxktfc5MJ0&t=216s

Just have a look at the "wah-man" doing this video.

But, the propaganda is exquisite. Libtards really ARE good at propaganda. Here's a taste:

"... in an age
2:59
where people are dying because they
3:01
drank bleach in order to cure themselves
3:03
of coronavirus because the President of
3:06
the United States implied it might be a
3:08
good idea, this film is extremely
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dangerous.
3:13
in fact, I'd agree personally with many
3:17
environmental groups and commentators in
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calling for its retraction because of
3:21
its factual inaccuracies and extremely
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poor handling of science and data if
3:27
nothing else. to deconstruct this film to
3:30
its fullest extent would take longer
3:32
than our regular videos -- even though this
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one is going to be a lot longer in fact
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it would probably take -- longer than the
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film itself so I'm not going to
3:40
deconstruct everything ...."

Did you get the programming?

1. Stupid people are drinking bleach !!!!!! -- [you're not one of those stupid people, are you?]
2. People are dying !!! -- [so YOU must obey and we must get others to OBEY]
3. this film is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS --

4. believe me cuz I could go on for hours about how bad this film is -- [I am super smart]

5. believe me also cuz I personally agree with "many" environmentalists and commentators -- [Be part of the group! Join us, comrads! You don't want to be in the out-group, do you?!]

6. believe me also cuz I am nice and magnanimous (and super smart) cuz I COULD deconstruct this film for hours, but I won't -- [I'm so wonderful! and, LOOK! I used a buzzword by which you can tell I am supper smart.]

7. What you should believe is that Moore should retract this film -- ["we don't ban or censor; we insist on self-banning and self-censoring -- shame shame shame Michael Moore, retract your film!!! -- if you don't, there will be consequences!!!"]

8. Retraction is needed "if only" because the science and data "are poorly handled" (not wrong, but "poorly handled") -- well!!

So, NPC, did you receive your programming?

TL;dr -- Moore should retract this film cuz science and data are poorly handled which will cause stupid people to drink bleach and die!! This film is dangerous !!!

Of course, what is meant by "poorly handled" is that Moore told the truth and pulled back the curtain and disclosed the dirty secrets of "green" energy. Science and data have to be CAREFULLY handled so that we -- the science elite -- can manipulate the gullible masses.

FWIW, I realized "green" was bullsh*t the day I bought some laundry detergent that claimed it was "green" cuz it had reformulated itself to reduce some of its water content. Yeah, no.

Blogger Gulo Gulo May 02, 2020 7:27 AM  

Biomass is predominately comprised of the tops and residuals from the overall timber harvest. Added to the mix is residual chips from high production sawmills. The price paid for the chips barely covers the cost of production. In the deep south its a bit higher but still not enough to incentivize anything higher than lower grade stems from being turned into it.Its a myth that mature old growth forests are being harvested solely for biomass. Ive been in the timber industry my entire life and regularly rely on biomass markets to move our harvested low grade stems...so I have a good understanding of the topic

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2020 7:30 AM  

Since over population figures in Moore's rhetorical defense of his latest I'll just assume he has met the diverse and vibrant people, and they scare the sh*t out of him and suddenly his Michigan luxury lake house and luxury Manhattan apartment are not the safe spaces he imagined.

How stupid are conservatives? One look at the Left and it is obvious that is a coalition of cheap champagne glasses stacked at the rodeo arena. If you ain't pitting one group against another well then you must be a conservative.

Blogger Balkan Yankee May 02, 2020 7:33 AM  

Green scammery has been obvious for years. And so has the BS climate change narrative: If we don't take action, the climate is going to change! If we do take action, the climate is going to change!

Blogger The Other Donald May 02, 2020 7:37 AM  

#SoylentGreenNewDeal

Blogger Subversive Saint May 02, 2020 7:52 AM  

Truth

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 02, 2020 7:55 AM  

bramley wrote:Talking heap of blubber complains about misused biomass

He is a fat fuck, as you and others so far have noticed, although it is almost impossible NOT to notice.

But like the oleaginous Bill Maher, even an otherwise mostly stupid and largely ignorant shitlib can be right once is a while.

Of course, in this instance Moore is right for the wrong reason: he hates business, and while many businesses are actually good for humanity, some see gold in destructive activities they can co-opt as "socially good." When you are in business, one way to make money is to leverage the prevailing attitude of the zeitgeist.

The other dynamic that's operative here comes from Nassim Taleb -- "the most intolerant" group wins, the "dictatorship of the small minority," a concept at the heart of "The Skin in The Game." As he puts it, the foundation "morality" in a society comes from the most intolerant minority who impose "virtue" on others because of that intolerance.

Inevitably, as sure as night follows day, the small minority imposes, and unintended consequences ensue.

It can happen at even the smallest level -- cities and town bans plastic bags, but re-usable cloth bags are little germ factories, and particularly nasty when you have a pandemic virus running amuck in the environment. Of course, you can avoid that problem by washing your bag, but washing your bag consumes precious water, so you use your environmentally friendly washing machine which, because it doesn't use enough water, and doesn't run long enough, your bag doesn't get clean so you wash it a second time.

And so, the farce continues.

But sometimes, as with car batteries that can never be recycled and the trees that are chopped down that will take eons to grow back, the consequences are appalling.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 02, 2020 8:01 AM  

It's like "organic" labels on food only older and even more corrupt.

As for Moore of Hockey Stick Graph AGW fame, what do we think, that he finally turned his life around or that someone got a hold of his jewels and squeezed? Maybe some of both?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 02, 2020 8:04 AM  

Oh my mistake that was Michael Mann.

Blogger urthshu May 02, 2020 8:09 AM  

Moore fulfills the same function as Maxine Waters - he promotes outrageous ideas to push thinking in slightly different direction. With this one he's pushing limits to population growth which was always in the body of leftist and environment thinking to begin with but not being promoted much of late. The film is a poison pill

Blogger RMH in StL May 02, 2020 8:17 AM  

If Moore truly believes depopulation is the cure, I guess he'd side with all those rightwing protesters who want the Corona-chan shutdown to end posthaste. What better way to knockoff a few million destroyers. What lengths are they willing to go to achieve the cure? Forced sterilization? Implementation of "one child" laws worldwide? China maybe a model in all this, if not for the fact it is a nation that consists of 17% of the world's humans and which pollutes the planet more than just about anyone.

Blogger CoolHand May 02, 2020 8:23 AM  

Nobody is cutting down eons old trees to make lumber or biomass, that's just not how timber is harvested in the US.

Basically all timber harvested in the US is either purpose grown stands, planted specifically to be timber or select cut from natural forest ground managed by the owner to be sold as timber. Both types are planted and harvested over and over again through time. The trees are a handful of decades old when cut, if that.

The last of the ancient old growth timber in the US was cut way back in the 1800's.

Anything that old left standing now is still there because it's protected. None of that stuff will ever be cut now unless it dies of it's accord (and sometimes not even then).

Environmental policy is such a clusterfuck precisely because most people don't have any idea how any sort of resource harvesting works or is done currently, ergo they're exceptionally easy to lie to if you're a grifter or a democrat (but I repeat myself).

Same thing happens with firearms law. Which is how you get leftists pissed off at gun stores because when they get scared they can't just go buy a machinegun online and have it shipped to their door.

Blogger Nihil Dicit May 02, 2020 8:24 AM  

What could have caused Moore to break ranks?

He didn't. Near the end of article he reveals his reasoning for the film is that of the Eternal Gamma: everybody else is doing Being Green WRONG!

Blogger Shane Bradman May 02, 2020 8:26 AM  

Wind turbines are not eco-friendly. They decimate the bird populations, create their own wind patterns which disrupt the natural order and have larger ramifications for the environment, and ruin the aesthetic of the landscape. If you look at how many birds have been chopped in half by wind turbines and you look at the pathetic amount of energy coming from those ugly things, nobody in their right mind would allow them to exist.

Blogger [Redacted] May 02, 2020 8:29 AM  

Michael Moore realized that renewable energy won't keep the iterative progress of technology intact. This means that the surveillance state, the mass media propaganda framework, and the governing power implied by the internet of things will not exist, the magic tricks will end, and no longer grant them undue power over others. If true renewable energy is embraced, along with the radical drop off of energy consumption, people will discover that they don't need air conditioning, electricity, or indoor plumbing if they build cities close to their food gardens and proportional to human body. They won't be soft and comfortable, they will move about without trackable vehicles, and they won't be inclined to put up with the government pushing them around...

...or he is a Boomer, he was planning on uploading his brain and living forever, and that won't happen without the energy density of hydrocarbons. I can't tell when it comes to Boomers and their evil and/or stupidity.

Blogger bramley May 02, 2020 8:42 AM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:
The other dynamic that's operative here comes from Nassim Taleb -- "the most intolerant" group wins, the "dictatorship of the small minority," a concept at the heart of "The Skin in The Game." As he puts it, the foundation "morality" in a society comes from the most intolerant minority who impose "virtue" on others because of that intolerance.


Well, that sounds like a nice explanation. Pity it's a load of nonsense that explains precisely nothing about the formation of human societies. Expected output from the humble genius thought-pincher Taleb.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 02, 2020 8:44 AM  

@1 He's scared that if the idea of using animals as fuel catches on someone might get the idea to make use of the massive oil deposit that is Michael Moore.

Blogger tickmeister May 02, 2020 8:55 AM  

We will eventually functioning with renewable energy. It will be firewood and muscle with some help from wind and falling water.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 02, 2020 8:56 AM  

I heard about this and wondered what has gotten into Moore lately, besides a box of twinkies.

For years I've used this "carbon footprint" concept as an intelligence test. Anybody touting hybrid or electric cars instantly fails this test and becomes somebody I avoid entirely if possible or if forced to put up with them, render unto the Caesar of this matter only that which is required. They all thought I was a very withdrawn and quiet person not knowing my utter and absolute contempt for them.

When you run the numbers, it takes less energy to take an old vehicle for which the energy to make it has already been spent, and cannot be unmade. In before hurf blurf but it's an old car!. The B-52 fleet is slated for upgrades and maintenance that will keep them flying until 2050, barring the collapse of the USA. Regardless, these aircraft will have been in service for nearly a century. Bushings, bearings, and ball joints and such for older vehicles is not expensive unless you got something British from the 1960s. Any machine can run forever when maintained instead of treated like a consumer product and thrown away. Mindless Consumer = Zombie. George Romero was not kidding.

To cost of a long block assembly ranges around $2k if it's a small block and not some rarity like a 351 Cleveland for example. V8s that were used in old cars and trucks are still being made now, sort of. The block castings perhaps. And those blocks will mate up to later model transmissions that had overdrives. The Ford AOD has an overdrive. The real problem from the 70s was big throaty V8s at highway speed with 3.0X to 3.3X axle ratios and final transmission ratios of 1:1. Even modern econo cars don't spin at those RPMs for highway travel. Overdrive fixes that. A simpler but more expensive solution is to use a Gear Vendors overdrive unit that replaces the tail cone of the transmission. It also lets you pretend you have a six speed if you want to attract the ladies with it.

Throw in a throttle body injection unit, Holley sells some that are programmable though simpler cheaper stuff is available and that's more mileage. Add in also an electronic ignition. Now you have a vehicle that went from maybe mid-teens MPG highway over into the mid 20s. New advances in tire technology also helps. You might even hit 30 if the boat was not as boaty to begin with.

And what is an electric or hybrid car costing these days? Oh but no bank would finance a resto. And after Shlomo at the bank gets his interest cut, Shlomo at the insurance company gets his added coverage costs. So only freaks like me and pull this sort of thing off. And rednecks with tools.

And it does not help that the boomers, who threw these cars away, now get all nostalgic when they see one and will spend big bucks on them and drive the price up. Oh and Cash for Clunkers, thanks to Obama, was the nail in the coffin.

Did I mention that the alloys used in these hybrids take higher temperatures and therefore more energy to produce? Old cars made of stamped steel: a huge press and then a guy in bellbottoms spot-welded it all together. That guy is probably dead now.

So when I see a Prius or comparable sort of car, I see a monument to the stupidity and why we can't have anything nice. It's no mere cohencidence that the kind of people driving them are also examples of why democracy was a suicide pact.

As for Moore, I don't think his treatment will be well. We're merely background noise to the globohomo system that is banking on carbon credits - or intends to bank on them if only those rascally right wingers would die. What Moore did amounts to treason for them.



Blogger Rick May 02, 2020 8:58 AM  

It is truly remarkable how much oil there is the ground. And how so many things can be derived from it: from all the various forms of energy to chemicals and products. I can’t think of another natural resource even close to it in terms of variety of benefits to mankind.
It would be a sin to just leave it there. It’s a sin to treat it as intrinsically evil, when it is, if anything, the precise opposite of that.

Blogger Scuzzaman May 02, 2020 9:07 AM  

Yeah, they’re going to eat him alive.

It’ll be like The Walking Dead but without the delicate culinary habits.

Blogger Scuzzaman May 02, 2020 9:09 AM  

@[Redacted]

If you think of the most evil possibility you can imagine, multiply that by a thousand, you’ll be in the ballpark.

Blogger borsabil May 02, 2020 9:11 AM  

Renewable energy was the thing that made me realise that the environmental movement is made up of mostly sociopathic liars. For every megawatt of renewable energy you must, must, must have an equivalent megawatt of conventional capacity on standby, maintained and cycled up when the sun doesn't shine or wind doesn't blow.

In South Australia they 'got away' with not having this by importing coal generated power from other parts of the country. One bad storm blew down the inter-connector cable between them and Victoria and, boom, they had no electricity for a solid week. Their since then is to buy portable diesel generators for hospitals and the like, so you know super green.

A significant proportion of journalists and politicians are retarded so we can maybe excuse some of them, but the businesses that back this bullshit are all rent seeking swill. One of the good consequences of Corona-Chan is that trying to sell bird killing windmills to the public during an economic depression when they're literally paying you to consume oil will be a little.. challenging.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 02, 2020 9:17 AM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:But sometimes, as with car batteries that can never be recycled and the trees that are chopped down that will take eons to grow back, the consequences are appalling.
Never? Eons? Seriously? Or did I miss the sarcasm?

Blogger Pratisara May 02, 2020 9:37 AM  

MMoore is cashing in his idiosycritic credits.

Blogger Karen took the Kids May 02, 2020 9:38 AM  

This is like Naughty Dog banning dissent of their leaked games. The predictable result: more dissent. The truth cuts like a knife.

Blogger rognuald May 02, 2020 9:43 AM  

Earlier this week, I read that Michael's latest documentary was being attacked by green energy fans so I had to watch it. Before I got very far, I sent it to an Eco conscious friend, she's in he 70s. She finished and wrote back that she was having trouble breathing and was crying. She has now looked for an authoritative source to refute the film and has sent it to me to read. Cognitive dissonance has struck hard.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 02, 2020 9:46 AM  

What could have caused Moore to break ranks?

He's smarter than most of his ideological comrades, so he probably spends a lot of time shaking his head at how stupid they are. Put that together with a Gamma personality (I assume), and he can't help but try to correct them sometimes. He also tried to warn them that Trump was going to win in 2016, which didn't earn him any respect either.

But ultimately, in the who/whom scale of the Left, he's a who because he hates the right people, so he can get away with it. When they decide to cast him out, it'll be because they wanted to burn a white male and he got the short straw, not because of anything specific he did. As far as this documentary goes, they'll just pretend it doesn't exist.

Blogger Kraemer May 02, 2020 9:53 AM  

Are purity spirals intrinsic to any ideological revolution or intrinsic to gammatude?

Blogger Hammerli 280 May 02, 2020 9:57 AM  

You want green power? Build nuclear reactors.

Although there is an appeal to a coach pulled by 30 or 40 Leftists. They'll pull at 60 mph...or be whipped to death trying. :-)

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon May 02, 2020 10:02 AM  

@18

" With this one he's pushing limits to population growth which was always in the body of leftist and environment thinking to begin with but not being promoted much of late"

Yes, the original Sierra Club was actually quite hard on immigration and reproductive rates, because, rightly, they realized that more humans means more resource consumption/

Then a nice Jewish billionaire (forget the guy's name) came along and gave them a big whack of money on condition that they stop speaking about immigration.

There's a right wing environmental movement as well that has been completely cold shouldered and written out of history. Garret Hardin being one of the names that I remember.

Blogger ontoiran May 02, 2020 10:03 AM  

the fact that the watermelons are dead set against nuclear power tells you everything you need to know about "green energy" bullshit

Blogger Hoyabembe May 02, 2020 10:36 AM  

Something I liked about the movie Bladerunner 2049 is that solar farms and bug eating are shown to be major indicators of a dystopia.

Blogger RedJack May 02, 2020 10:42 AM  

I spent my youth in ethanol. Enjoyed it. Allowed me to live in a part of the world where engineering jobs were in short supply. But it was dependent on subsidies. The best thing my old boss ever did was making the plant more of a cattle feed than ethanol.

Company went bankrupt 4 years ago because they didn't fill out grant applications correctly. Guy whose job it was to do it had an attack of conscience and left for better work.

That is the issue. Green energy was green because of the government boondoggle money, not renewable energy

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 02, 2020 10:43 AM  

If the climate alarmists are right, we have to build a bunch of nuke plants. No other answer, if we want to keep the lights on. Solar and wind won't cut it. Whatever the dangers of nuclear power, they pale compared to the nightmare global warming scenarios.

My problem: I can't automatically dismiss the alarmists, almost none of whom favor fission energy. They may simply be too foolish to accept the logic of their predictions.

My other problem: overall intelligence may be declining too much and too fast to safely keep the reactors humming in the decades to come.

Easiest thing to do is just assume the alarmists are wrong. Which is what I do. But they may not be, Arrhenius' underlying logic is sound. I'm in favor of doing anything cheap and easy that reduces greenhouse emissions. Also funding research into solar power and energy storage. Current solar tech's not good enough, but maybe it'll get better.

Blogger d May 02, 2020 10:51 AM  

HILARIOUS: "unforgivable disloyalty" say the Green mystics.

Blogger pyrrhus May 02, 2020 10:51 AM  

The only form of renewable energy has always been passive solar, like building your house with a large southern exposure, and that has been exploited since the Bronze Age....The fact that the renewable energy "scientists" get away with this nonsense is that 99% of the American population is widely ignorant of all physical science, and no other reason....

Blogger Brett baker May 02, 2020 11:06 AM  

+1.

Blogger Seeingsights May 02, 2020 11:18 AM  

@ Hammerli 280

From what I understand Michael Moore does not advocate for nuclear reactors in his documentary. I haven't seen the documentary though.

Blogger Crew May 02, 2020 11:27 AM  

CoronaChan has already dealt a serious blow to the whole Green Energy nonsense boondoggle.

I hope that Moore is the straw that broke the camels back because otherwise he is a net negative force.

Blogger MaskettaMan May 02, 2020 11:33 AM  

Go green! Just don't inhale...

Blogger Magnifico May 02, 2020 11:41 AM  

Reclaim the language and culture, it's "Arbor Day". And plant a tree.

Blogger jarheadljh May 02, 2020 11:43 AM  

Ingemar wrote:What could have caused Moore to break ranks?


The film is a bait&switch. He *didn't* break ranks, "The way to really save the planet, says the film, is for people to have fewer children." He snuck in a message to kill your children among a bunch of truth telling. He's "exposing corporate greed and corruption." The Greenies are attacking him, meaning our side will ignore what he's really saying and will champion him and his message to kill your children.

This is the kind of thing he's been doing the whole time, all the way back to Roger&Me. He plays the working class truth-teller just poking whoever deserves a poke, but what he's really doing is to further Promethianism. It's the same character Jon Stewart plays, Jon is just better at it.

Blogger Unknownsailor May 02, 2020 11:54 AM  

Alternative energy has not, and will not for the foreseeable future, reach the energy density required to be practical for primary power generation. Any electrical engineer can tell you that. There is only one "green" energy solution that can scale to power levels required to power the US: Nuclear. But watermelons don't like nuclear power.

Blogger Nostromo May 02, 2020 11:55 AM  

As a worked all over this country I drive past lots of these wind mill farms, and rarely are they all working. You might see 6 at a time spinning. The rest sit idle. I believe (believe because I don't care enough to find out) that they sit idle because the cost of operating them is more than the profit from the energy they harvest. It's all a boondoggle. All the major envirimentalistare watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2020 11:58 AM  

Moore is a Commie and a trainwreck, but he's long been a problem for the Left because he refuses to lie.

Blogger Maniac May 02, 2020 12:04 PM  

"He's learning in real time that the Left has no principles and that any platform it adopts is simply a timely, expedient means of destroying society."

Judging from some of her recent social media posts concerning Joey's #metoo fiasco, Rose McGowan is on her way to being Red-pilled too. There's always hope.

Blogger Rick May 02, 2020 12:26 PM  

Thank you Unknownsailor. If the energy density truth ever gets out among the masses, and understood, that’s it for solar and wind. Those are only good for places you don’t have cheaper forms of fuel available, such as say, Mars.
Nuclear is great of course but you can’t power a passenger plane with it.
Oil is a gift from God.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 02, 2020 12:30 PM  

bramley wrote:KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:

The other dynamic that's operative here comes from Nassim Taleb -- "the most intolerant" group wins, the "dictatorship of the small minority," a concept at the heart of "The Skin in The Game." As he puts it, the foundation "morality" in a society comes from the most intolerant minority who impose "virtue" on others because of that intolerance.



Well, that sounds like a nice explanation. Pity it's a load of nonsense that explains precisely nothing about the formation of human societies. Expected output from the humble genius thought-pincher Taleb.


Pity you have your head in the sand and fail to grasp that THIS is the way large swaths of Western society is currently engaged in its -- ahem -- "formation."

Meanwhile, no thinker is perfect, including Nassim, but he has more neurons firing than you, apparently, will ever have.

Blogger bramley May 02, 2020 12:42 PM  

@39

Edward Abbey is another name to note, and there's a good piece on counter-currents about the subversion of Earth First!.

Blogger Gulo Gulo May 02, 2020 12:45 PM  

b : a unit of geologic time equal to one billion years

There is no tree alive.. on this planet..that is remotely close to one billion y.o.

Blogger bramley May 02, 2020 12:47 PM  

@57 Pity you resort to ad hominem as a response

Blogger Noah B. May 02, 2020 12:47 PM  

"The way to really save the planet, says the film, is for people to have fewer children."

That's also a great argument in favor of stopping immigration and foreign aid. Also when you dive into the stats, it isn't whites who are overpopulating. Global population growth is now almost exclusively driven by Africa.

Blogger Tars Tarkas May 02, 2020 1:02 PM  

I went and watched it. It's a total cringe fest complete with dancing Indians (feather) and Indians (dot) telling us how evil we are.
While complaining about "overpopulation" not an African is on the screen. The only race of people still expanding (and at an exponential rate) are left completely out of the story. The average African woman in Uganda believes the IDEAL number of children is 13! Thirteen keeds! Between Coronachan and Locustchan, this ought to be a good year for Africa. We are having shortages ourselves and are in no position to feed the Africans. Mother Nature can be a bitch. Let's hope she makes her presence known!
I hope 2020 turns out to be the year of "Gaia the gift giver!"

Blogger boogeyman May 02, 2020 1:15 PM  

Funny thing is, an anti-renewables documentary created by lefty environmentalists was already made a few years back, and it was pretty good. It's called Pandora's Promise. It shows how there is no way in hell "green" energy can possibly ever meet demand, that nuclear is way safer and less toxic to the environment than coal, oil, and gas, and in the end makes a pretty good pitch for thorium reactors.

Part of me hopes the Blob from Flint tells these people to go piss up a rope, then starts touting this documentary alongside his own.

Blogger kurt9 May 02, 2020 1:22 PM  

The green movement has always been a sham and a smoke screen for leftism. The green movement never identified the single worse environmental issue in the 70's which was environmental Lead. Lead in gasoline was banned in the 70's because it damaged catalytic converters that were used to reduce sulfide and nitrite pollution from cars. It was only later that the harmful effects of even small quantities of Lead were identified in toxicity labs. The greenies had nothing to do with this. Today, the most significant toxicity problem is Mercury, which comes mostly in the form of preservatives used in vaccines and other medical products. Some of it comes from coal plants and from eating of certain fish. But the bulk of it today comes from medical sources. The greenies have yet to even discuss this issue.

It is worth noting that the UN Convention on Mercury, which bans most uses of Mercury, specifically exempts the use of Mercury preservative in vaccines. I believe this is a result of lobbying efforts on the part of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2020 1:31 PM  

@Kraemer:

Are purity spirals intrinsic to any ideological revolution or intrinsic to gammatude?

Embrace the healing power of "and".

Ideological revolutions have purity spirals because those in the tighter loop snatch more power within the group. Gammas have purity spirals because they are black holes of need for respect that can never really be filled, because the problem is within themselves.

The two phenomenae mix like oil and flame.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2020 1:45 PM  

@Nostromo:

You might see 6 at a time spinning. The rest sit idle. I believe (believe because I don't care enough to find out) that they sit idle because the cost of operating them is more than the profit from the energy they harvest.

I saw the same thing, when I spent a couple of years working all over a couple of states. Given the radio ads at the time (offering training in wind turbine repair), my suspicion was that they break down a lot.

So I'm agreeing with you, except that I assume the problem is the cost of repair (which on second thought could be considered a cost of operation).

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2020 1:54 PM  

@ Doktor Jeep:

As for Moore, I don't think his treatment will be well. We're merely background noise to the globohomo system that is banking on carbon credits - or intends to bank on them if only those rascally right wingers would die. What Moore did amounts to treason for them.

Yeah, carbon credits are just medieval indulgences for the SocJus cult. A great scam, selling clean consciences for whatever the suckers are willing to pay. Money for nothing and chicks for free.

And it could've been as big as the coal and oil markets put together, if it weren't for those pesky Christians having a different concept of sin!

Blogger Cinco May 02, 2020 2:16 PM  

This is the ultimate, “hey look at me”. This only proves that the left, is at the end of the day completely self absorbed.

Blogger eclecticmn May 02, 2020 2:40 PM  

31. borsabilMay 02, 2020 9:11 AM
For every megawatt of renewable energy you must, must, must have an equivalent megawatt of conventional capacity on standby, maintained and cycled up when the sun doesn't shine or wind doesn't blow.

In South Australia they 'got away' with not having this by importing coal generated power from other parts of the country.


Yes. If you have cheap coal electric power and switch to wind/solar
1. Build the solar/wind.
2. Build huge transmission networks to collect the diffuse sources.
3. Tear down the coal plants and build gas plants that can spin up quick enough.
4. Ignore the costs of 2 and 3 and say solar is cheaper than coal.

Some parts of Australia have banned new residential solar because they destabilize the electrical grid.
There is a poem.

A Diesel in the Shed.
You can have your solar panels
and your turbines on the hills;
You can use the warmth of sunshine
to reduce your heating bills.

You can dream you’re self-sufficient
as you weed your veggie bed;
As long as you make sure to keep
A diesel in the shed.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) May 02, 2020 2:51 PM  

7. Ingemar May 02, 2020 7:01 AM
He's learning in real time that the Left has no principles



Moore already knew that ... because Moore is a Leftist and Moore has *never* had any principles.



15. KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 02, 2020 7:55 AM
It can happen at even the smallest level -- cities and town bans plastic bags, but re-usable cloth bags are little germ factories


that's another False Dichotomy:
there's nothing wrong with brown paper bags. in fact, a lot of grocery stores still have them ON REQUEST.


27. Doktor Jeep May 02, 2020 8:56 AM
You might even hit 30 if the boat was not as boaty to begin with.


*1971 Electra 225, Olds Toronado and Cadillac El Dorado wave ahoy*


54. Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2020 11:58 AM
Moore is a Commie and a trainwreck, but he's long been a problem for the Left because he refuses to lie.



that is absolutely NOT TRUE. Moore misrepresents things all the time in his movies.

an example just from this film:
native US reproduction is ALREADY well below replacement rate ( 1.93 in 2019 ), so what is the point of hectoring Americans about over population?

ALL US pop growth for the last several decades has been due to illegal and legal immigration.

did Moore demand an end to immigration?
did Moore demand that Africa and India and China stop having children?

show me where the "honesty" in this film is.


speaking exposing fraudulent Leftists, Jimmy Dore is having a depressing time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUm8VRa1IhQ

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2020 2:52 PM  

Moore hasn't changed. He's always been a brilliant (if dishonest) rhetoritician.

His dialectical argument is false (hey we aren't being green enough) but his rhetoric is defending a truth (green is a scam).

He typically uses this bait-and-switch "right rhetoric-wrong conclusion" fallacy in his better performing movies.

"Roger and Me"'s conclusion was "Elites won't talk to the common man they enslave" when his rhetoric was "communist monopoly is destructive."

Fahrenheit 9/11 was dialectically "Don't trust the alt-right" but rhetorically "the Jews are running the show."

Bowling for Columbine: fake conclusion - "guns are bad" rhetoriC - "public schools are bad"

His moneymakers have all had persuasive rhetoric married to outright lies so this one is no different.

His poorly performing movies are bad rhetoric plus false conclusions. His successful ones are good rhetoric plus false conclusions. He'll follow this one up with something unwatchable again. For every Fahrenheit 9/11, he makes two Fahrenheit 11/9s

Blogger eclecticmn May 02, 2020 2:54 PM  

Manhattan Contrarian has very quantitative concise writing on the folly of green energy, and on the global warming hoax. He shows the huge costs of even trying to rely on batteries for storage. NY, where he lives, banned fracking then banned a new pipeline to bring in fracking gas from PA citing bogus water quality issues. In response, a utility banned new gas hookups in certain areas near NYC, citing lack of capacity. Gov. Cuomo went nuts, blaming the utility. The govt solution was to allow using NG trucks (3000 psi) to bring in the additional gas.

Blogger The Lab Manager May 02, 2020 2:55 PM  

kurt9 wrote:
It is worth noting that the UN Convention on Mercury, which bans most uses of Mercury, specifically exempts the use of Mercury preservative in vaccines. I believe this is a result of lobbying efforts on the part of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.


Not that I would put it past them, but any links on this one?

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 02, 2020 3:13 PM  

A Diesel in the Shed.
You can have your solar panels
and your turbines on the hills;
You can use the warmth of sunshine
to reduce your heating bills.

You can dream you’re self-sufficient
as you weed your veggie bed;
As long as you make sure to keep
A diesel in the shed.


Great and useful poem.

Blogger Sean May 02, 2020 3:27 PM  

Wow, I'm only 37 mins into the documentary (thanks for sharing!) and it's compelling stuff! Anyways, I know alot of ppl who buy into this climate change theory, and my response to them is that I believe that mankind's impact on climate change is greatly exaggerated. Now, I can add to that statement, "so that rich elites can continue to suck $$$ from the masses". And I'll point them to this documentary.

The good thing is that if a climate change skeptic made this documentary, it would've had less impact. But someone shoots his own side, ppl will take more notice.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2020 4:29 PM  

Even if the true believers in the Malthusian menace only call out grifters for hurting the credibility of their dumb cult, that is still a good thing for them to do. They aren't wrong about the conmen being bad.

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 4:41 PM  

"FWIW, I realized "green" was bullsh*t the day I bought some laundry detergent that claimed it was "green" cuz it had reformulated itself to reduce some of its water content. Yeah, no."

Green as in $ U.S. Federal Reserve Notes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2020 4:41 PM  

furor kek tonicus ( what do you get if you make a honey bear Gen Sec of China? Winnie the Flu ) wrote:that is absolutely NOT TRUE. Moore misrepresents things all the time in his movies.
There is a very distinct difference between telling the truth and refusing to lie. Can you work it out?

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 4:54 PM  

"The govt solution was to allow using NG trucks (3000 psi) to bring in the additional gas."

In Iraq, that would be classified as a VBIED
(Vehicle Borne IED).

Bringing natural gas (primarily propane and butane) by truck rather than pipeline is a needlessly dangerous game.

Blogger Felis Concolor May 02, 2020 5:11 PM  

I knew it was a scam long before Car Craft ran its "How to Make BIG Power With E85" articles. When the hot rodders wholeheartedly adopt a "green" technology, you know something's up.

I am still and will always be a proponent of PV, wind and small scale hydropower for remote living and homesteading applications, especially when the user is looking to obtain lots of land for a low price with no municipal utilities nearby.

The key word is "small:" PV and wind power do not scale well, especially once you get past the individual or very small community level. Trying to replace the equivalent power output of a coal, gas or nuclear electricity plant with wind will easily add 3 orders of magnitude to the land area required, and roughly half wind's footprint for an equivalent PV array. Neither of those will ever provide the 24/7 baseline power required for even a small city or township, while providing ever present hazards in the form of infrasound and flying ice bombs from those constantly spinning trebuchet arms, and dead birds from the reflected infrared energy of PV arrays.

Look up "ivanpah streamers" to see how idiotic these ideas are. Better yet, talk to a commercial airline pilot: they're not too busy right now and they'll be more than happy to share their horror stories about flying into LAS and the blinding hazard nearby.

Every single "beneficial" program/project/idea will be warped and abused into an unrecognizable caricature of its stated intentions. It's a simple axiom: create a system, and it will be gamed.

Blogger SirHamster May 02, 2020 5:21 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:There is a very distinct difference between telling the truth and refusing to lie. Can you work it out?
The existence of a distinction depends on if you're using the definition that lying is intentional deception or telling a falsehood.

Blogger Paul M May 02, 2020 5:30 PM  

Michael Moore predicted Trump's win when every other lefty was certain that such a thing could not happen. He came by his leftism the honest way: growing up working class. Him coming out and telling the truth about the greens shouldn't surprise anyone who has been watching.

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 6:49 PM  

" Before I got very far, I sent it to an Eco conscious friend, she's in he 70s."


I'm having trouble interpreting your typo.
Is that supposed to read:

"She's in he*R* 70's"

or is it supposed to read:

"She's in *T*he 70's."

Inquiring Minds Want to Know!

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 6:56 PM  

"This is the kind of thing he's been doing the whole time, all the way back to Roger&Me. He plays the working class truth-teller just poking whoever deserves a poke, but what he's really doing is to further Promethianism."

Roger & Me, the movie about how he couldn't get to see Roger Smith, which, during the filming of, he personally met with Roger Smith 4 times in Smith's office.

That patent dishonesty of Micheal Moore is boundless.

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 7:05 PM  

" Given the radio ads at the time (offering training in wind turbine repair), my suspicion was that [electric company windmills] break down a lot.'

VERY heavy airfoils on one end of the axle.
Nothing on the other.

This creates a huge torque rotating downwards on the propeller end and upwards on the free end.

VERY hard on bearings, and the axle's bearing-surfaces.

Blogger Richard Martel May 02, 2020 10:26 PM  

Can't wait to see the Squad turn on this rich, white man. Let them eat their own.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( no need to be racist, Ratchets can Karen better than anybody ) May 02, 2020 11:34 PM  

78. Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2020 4:41 PM
There is a very distinct difference between telling the truth and refusing to lie. Can you work it out?


overpopulation is just as much a lie today as it was when Malthus concocted it and when Ehrlich regurgitated it.

even if i concede "overpopulation", it's a lie to say that the US is responsible in some way for it. what are we supposed to do, convert Africans into Long Pig ( see what i did there? ) and sell it to China as an aphrodisiac?

shall i continue?

it's not of the same order as splicing footage from two different Heston speeches together and presenting them as contiguous in 'Bowling for Columbine', but it's still not is if he hasn't included Lies in this movie.



80. Felis Concolor May 02, 2020 5:11 PM
I knew it was a scam long before Car Craft ran its "How to Make BIG Power With E85" articles.


alcohol offers better vaporization, cooler air charges and allows higher compression ratios, which can allow a given displacement engine to make more power than an equivalent gasoline engine ... if you give it a full rebuild.

however, you're still hampered by the much lower energy density of alcohol ( awful mpg ) so it's not really useful for anything other than a pure race application.

for instance, Indy Cars have used methanol since the 1970s, drag racers have used alcohol for +50 years, Sprint Cars ( Little 500 moved to Sept 5 ) and Midgets have used alcohol for decades.

please don't snarl up out of your crevasse at me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-eOvqWO7I&t=85

Blogger James Jameson May 03, 2020 4:44 AM  

"The way to really save the planet, says the film, is..."
Nuclear power plants? CO2 filtering machines?
"...for people to have fewer children."
Ah.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 03, 2020 11:56 AM  

"The existence of a distinction depends on if you're using the definition that lying is intentional deception or telling a falsehood."

I hold it as the latter, someone doesn't have to say anything at all if they're unsure. If the disinformation gets passed it's because they wanted to pass it. As a bonus this eliminates any potential grey area.

There is another distinction though. Someone can know the truth and intentionally say nothing. The elimination of this grey area is to term it a "lie of omission", but many people don't recognize any such thing.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 03, 2020 12:18 PM  

"overpopulation is just as much a lie today as it was when Malthus concocted it"

If Malthus was incorrect, it was only in not realizing that population was already limited by famine, disease, war, and vice without man having to lift a hand to manipulate it. The Malthusian Catastrophe is in reality no catastrophe, a continual, ever-present burning rather than a distinct event.

Some people will unsurprisingly read his work and extrapolate that man has already exceeded optimal population, but this is because they themselves want to kill, sterilize, or suppress other people rather than it being requisite.

Blogger SirHamster May 03, 2020 7:34 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:I hold it as the latter, someone doesn't have to say anything at all if they're unsure. If the disinformation gets passed it's because they wanted to pass it. As a bonus this eliminates any potential grey area.
Both are valid language, but the latter case is objective.

Just because it's not your lie doesn't mean it's not a lie.

The moment you are informed that you have an uttered a falsehood distinguishes whether one is a liar or lover of truth.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:The elimination of this grey area is to term it a "lie of omission", but many people don't recognize any such thing.
Depends on if there is a duty to disclose. "Need to know".

God doesn't tell us everything, and there are things we too need to keep confidential. But there are times we must not be silent, and that is where the lie of omission occurs.

Blogger Sean May 03, 2020 11:52 PM  

Just finished watching the documentary and this biomass thing was mind boggling. Here in Aust, I have never heard about it, but can't believe that environmentalists would fall for this scam!

When I heard in the documentary what it was about (burning trees for fuel) I can't believe it was called "renewable energy" ROFL

Blogger Akulkis May 04, 2020 11:32 AM  

Burning trees for fuel... is why Europe is mostly deforested.

Blogger Macs May 05, 2020 9:12 PM  

Environmentalism is creating an environmental catastrophe, how typical!

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