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Saturday, May 02, 2020

Keep your gates

And defend your interests. Inclusivity is just another word for invasion, and diversity is just a synonym for destruction:
This is where the inclusivity experiment must end. Everything cannot be made for everyone, no matter how much some people try. Popular media with decades of history should not be trashed just so individuals who didn’t even like it in the first place can feel at home. And since most companies don’t have the balls to stand up to internet outrage, it’s up to long-term fans to shut down those who want to forcefully enact change. So, for as much backlash as the woke crowd is already receiving, they need to get even more of it. These people don’t deserve to feel welcome in our hobbies. There is no place for them here.

On the same hand, I don’t belong in theirs. If they create a new property built around stopping orc racism and snagging the land back from colonizers using the power of rainbows and hugs, who am I to barge in and demand they include more death and murder? That would be a game that caters to them, and they deserve to have that, just as we deserve to have our D&D with orcs as they have always been.

Gatekeeping. It’s for the best.
Don't be afraid to kick people out of your games, groups, and organizations. No one has a right to be involved, and they certainly don't have a right to demand changes that will suit their preferences or psychological issues.

And different people suit different roles. A perfectly suitable player might make for a terrible DM or guild master just as a first-rate sales manager can turn out to be a horrifically bad director of sales and marketing. The Peter Principle applies to entertainment as well as business.

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42 Comments:

Blogger J Van Stry May 02, 2020 11:30 AM  

What I couldn't understand was why they were comparing Orcs to blacks. Made no sense to me at all. Then again, I guess it's not about making sense.

I mean Tolkien wrote all this stuff after experiencing WW1 trench warfare, right? So it's only logical that Orcs would best be a parallel to Germans. Cause that's who he was fighting, other white people.

That is assuming of course that he was trying to parallel any human races at all. I tell you, these people make my head hurt.

Blogger Lightning in My Hands May 02, 2020 11:33 AM  

The path that Wizards of the Coast has chosen is that of Saruman.

Blogger Eincrou May 02, 2020 11:44 AM  

"Diversity and Inclusion" is a totalitarian ideology that cannot accept, or even begrudgingly tolerate, any human endeavor, past, present or future, that does not abide by its strictures.

This ideology is too powerful to challenge head-on and none of the major institutions of culture will rebuke it or even just ignore it. We should expect all of our beloved long-running franchises and mythologies to be tainted by it over the next few decades.

Independent media will keep creating media that is non-observant of Diversity & Inclusion, though they will be brutally attacked for doing so. Video games like Kingdom Come: Deliverance & Mordhau were decried for doing this, but those games developers weathered the storm, refused to compromise their vision, and are still going strong.

Blogger Gregory the Tall May 02, 2020 12:20 PM  

Close all the gates, Gates ante portas!

Blogger ar10308 May 02, 2020 12:26 PM  

@1
Tolkien was writing a mythology for England and the West. Think bigger than WWI, think of the history of the West for the last 1500 years. If you consider where most of the threats to Western nations have come, they have come from the South and East. So North Africa, Middle East and West Asia.

Guess who the Orcs behave and act like compared to Westerners? Even to this day...

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 02, 2020 1:14 PM  

"If they create a new property built..."
These wokespittles are not interested in building. Even if they could. They are not even interested in the thing they are messing with. They are here only because everything else has rolled over and is being waddled around in as a skinsuit.

And these people don't know what they are trifling with. They are after the last bastions of escape. And they are doing this to people who just want to escape. When you don't allow escape, then your quarry needs only a good leader to come along.

Blogger Sam May 02, 2020 1:22 PM  

@5
Yeah, the 'arabs with Minas Tirith as Constantinople/Vienna' interpretation is pretty strong.

Blogger Shane Bradman May 02, 2020 1:51 PM  

Many friendship groups have been ruined when someone decides they should bring along a "quirky" friend or their girlfriend. Same thing when we were all in school and the teacher said you had to play with the loner so he could feel included.

Blogger Shane Bradman May 02, 2020 1:54 PM  

Orcs are not Germans. You're still thinking in terms of 20th century propaganda. The only parallel you can draw to modern races are orcs and Mongols, and dwarves and Jews, although the dwarves were inherited from Wagner.

Blogger sammibandit May 02, 2020 2:56 PM  

@ar10308

If Middle Earth is the British isles isn't the more immediate proxy for Mordor something like Brittany/Breton or Normandy? What if you zoom out to the Celtic world in general and proxy Mordor with Austria (Hallstatt)? You mention the last 1500 years but what about the last 5000 or 2000 or so on?

Sometimes there's a tendency in following the metaphor too far out both in time and space. If the story is foundational to The West and is about Westerners why would the enemy not be derived from that stock?

Blogger SirHamster May 02, 2020 2:59 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:I mean Tolkien wrote all this stuff after experiencing WW1 trench warfare, right? So it's only logical that Orcs would best be a parallel to Germans. Cause that's who he was fighting, other white people.

ar10308 wrote:Tolkien was writing a mythology for England and the West. Think bigger than WWI, think of the history of the West for the last 1500 years. If you consider where most of the threats to Western nations have come, they have come from the South and East. So North Africa, Middle East and West Asia.

Vox mentioned that the Orcs were like the Mongols in destructive effect in yesterday's Darkstream, and this exchange reminds me that in WWI, the UK propagandized the Germans as the Huns.

Islamic expansion conquering and converting formerly Christian lands also echoes the idea of fallen elves becoming Orcs.

There are probably several different threads of historical inspiration to be found for Orcs. Whenever and wherever you find Man's nobler traits reduced to lust for violence, there you find orcs.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica May 02, 2020 3:20 PM  

Tolkien hated allegory with a passion, and the thought that Orcs were a stand-in for any real world person would probably be met with derision by him. You could take a Death of the Author interpretation of them being based on mythical characters or on a real world culture, but in my mind, they were basically the Middle Earth version of demons. They were once virtuous beings corrupted by evil, since the Devil can never create, just take what exists and twist it to his ends. The Jackson movies certainly seem to take this approach, as after Sauron is defeated, all of his orc armies are seemingly sucked down into Hell.

Of course, Hollywood loves Satan and demons, so of course they're going to feel outrage at the ultimate defeat of such creatures. And since most Democrats view black people as barely more than human - brutes that need to be manipulated and controlled, of course, they're going to conflate them with orcs and project their own beliefs onto Conservatives.

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 4:07 PM  

"The path that Wizards of the Coast has chosen is that of Saruman."

Well, of course.
Even their NAME reeks of gamma.

What is a wizard, if not the most special and secret of all the secret kings?

Blogger R Webfoot May 02, 2020 4:20 PM  

@1 "What I couldn't understand was why they were comparing Orcs to blacks."

According to Tolkein, they were a degraded version of the Mongols. Which, we have been reliably assured, is an ethnic slur against Africans.

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 4:24 PM  

"Many friendship groups have been ruined when someone decides they should bring along a "quirky" friend or their girlfriend."

And many bands great and not-so-great.

The Beatles are a notable casualty of the girlfriends.


Similar thing happens in regular army units. Buck-sergeants dating female privates... and two of them get into an argument... or one starts a stupid argument with a male peer.... so they call in higher rank for back-up (regardless of whether they're in the right or not). This is the kind of idiocy that drives the upper mid-level NCOs insane.

Blogger ar10308 May 02, 2020 4:30 PM  

The Hobbits were akin to British, both in name and character. It's called "The Shire", after-all.
Rohan were very Norse. Gondor is a mixture of Central and Southern Europe. Many of the names for Gondor were taken right from the names of Spanish cities and provinces. Just look on a map, it will be quite illuminating.

The whole "Germans/Nazis" are the ultimate bad-guy" is completely derived from modern propaganda. Which we all know who is responsible for that, hence why every movie ever is about the Holocaust and the greatest thing America ever did was fight WWII to save the Jews.

Blogger Steve Samson May 02, 2020 4:54 PM  

Same thing when we were all in school and the teacher said you had to play with the loner so he could feel included.

If it's any consolation, it's as bad for the loner as it is for you. We don't want to "feel included," if we did we wouldn't be loners.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2020 5:02 PM  

@ Doktor Jeep:

And these people don't know what they are trifling with. They are after the last bastions of escape. And they are doing this to people who just want to escape.

I believe that you would enjoy the currently ongoing sci-fi epic, First Contact. Daxin ("everyone's favorite walking warcrime") has as a catchphrase, "I JUST WANTED LEFT ALONE!"

Blogger Skyforger May 02, 2020 5:34 PM  

Let the SJW's make their own fantasy/RPG settings. If they are better, they will win out eventually.

If not, we or someone else will.

As a first priority, build your own culture.

This 'Oh hey, why did orcs remind you of blacks? And you call ME the racist?' kinda stuff is good entertainment but ultimately not productive.

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2020 5:39 PM  

"Wizards of the Coast" replaced "Tactical Studies Rules" of Lake Geneva.

Blogger Grooveware May 02, 2020 5:42 PM  

I'm 49 still to meet a Nazi meet lots of racist left wing commies though.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 02, 2020 6:05 PM  

Let the SJW's make their own fantasy/RPG settings. If they are better, they will win out eventually.

They don't want to make their own, even if they could. They want to take away yours so you can't enjoy it your way.

On Reddit, the normal Star Trek forums are all SJW converged and full of studio shills promoting their new shows with pretend fandom, and dissenting opinions are routinely banned. So one guy made r/star_trek as a group for people who don't like the new shows. He's got the right idea: don't try to allow all opinions, let people who feel differently go to the many other forums where they're welcome. But the gatekeepers from the other forums can't have that, so they swarm his group with garbage and trolling to try to ruin it. If that doesn't work, eventually they'll just get the group banned, since Reddit itself is converged.

They'll never leave you alone unless you make them.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 02, 2020 6:12 PM  

"Orcs are not Germans."
I recall reading that Tolkien used to get quite brittle at the notion LOTR was some metaphor for WWII. He even said something like "If the outcome of LoTR was anything like WWII, the ring would not have been destroyed, and Sauron would have managed to trick and defeat Sauron using an alliance with men, but not destroy him. Whatever happened, it would have been bad for hobbits in the long term".
Or something like that.

Needless to say, Tolikien was very based and this could be taken as a reason to believe that the leftists had their knives sharpened for him for a long time. This woke crap might be just window dressing or a forward guard.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 02, 2020 6:20 PM  

The problem started when the SJW broads whined that women were bullied in online gaming and simps rushed to apologize and/or prove to them that wasn't so instead of saying, you're not wanted, GTFO.
If you want something, don't be passive aggressive babies and don't cave in because of your fear of losing out on female attention. Be forceful and just say no. Decent women will respect that and who cares about the rest?

Blogger Akulkis May 02, 2020 6:26 PM  

"Which we all know who is responsible for that, hence why every movie ever is about the Holocaust and the greatest thing America ever did was fight WWII to save the Jews."

... for which we they thank us by called US Nazis.

Blogger Ranger May 02, 2020 7:07 PM  

Orcs are not stand-ins for Muslims, Blacks, Germans or Mongols (though physically Tolkien describes them as "squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.")

Orcs, and this is clear both in the books and in Tolkien's letters, are a stand-in for a mindset.

A mindset that is collectivist, hive-mind-like, irrevocably convinced of it's own righteousness, ennamoured of ugliness and drab, and always happy to snitch others to the "authorities" if there is something to be gained.

No wonder SJWs find them problematic.

Blogger Scott May 02, 2020 7:38 PM  

Gandalf was an Omega hermit who came into town to buy shire tabacco and blow up fireworks for the kids.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 02, 2020 8:19 PM  

I worked for a German WWII vet thirty years ago or so. Didn't seem very Nazi-ish but you can never tell.

Blogger The Lab Manager May 02, 2020 9:05 PM  

I've been watching the SG-1 series as re-runs for a while now. I was not aware of this show years ago when it came out. One nice thing is no outright faggot crap being shoved in your face. A bit of 'go vagina' but the women are mostly attractive to hot. I'm not sure about a blonde/blue-eyed petite astro-physicist, but at least the men are men and the women are women.

Blogger 5stonegames May 02, 2020 10:35 PM  

Speaking from experience here. it is vital to screen everyone who comes into the group and to make sure they are into whatever it is you are doing.

It was only by dumb luck did one of my players decide to investigate a couple of female gamer prospects and found out that these people needed to be on Megan's List not at our table and even if innocent were of the wrong political persuasion.
Screening absolutely includes style of game. I will say though, be precise and upfront and do not call say tactical military style D&D "roleplaying" in order to get more players.

Openness and honesty is better for everyone.

Blogger Sargent.matrim May 02, 2020 11:05 PM  

This is so true.

Blogger Nihil Dicit May 03, 2020 12:27 AM  

@29 - I am forced to disagree. SG-1 had/has a very strong proggy open borders, everyone even aliens from other dimensions are just like us dimension to it, and that "blonde/blue-eyed petite astro-physicist", as cute as she was, was also supposed to be an ace fighter pilot during the Gulf War and an expert in small unit military tactics.

There are almost no modern shows uninfected with the proggy taint, and SG-1 is no exception. It was made in Canada, for Pierre's sake.

Blogger Ryan May 03, 2020 2:27 AM  

https://www.sott.net/article/433726-Paper-shows-that-mutational-load-arguments-dont-refute-ENCODE-findings


"When the ENCODE project first proposed, on the basis of direct empirical research, that 80 percent of the genome may be biochemically functional, a huge prediction of intelligent design was fulfilled. Evolutionary biologists saw the writing on the wall and were quick to fight back. Perhaps one of ENCODE's staunchest critics has been Dan Graur, a molecular evolutionary biologist at the University of Houston. He argued in 2017 in the journal Genome, Biology and Evolution that ENCODE's empirically based conclusions could not possibly be correct because "Mutational load considerations lead to the conclusion that the functional fraction within the human genome cannot exceed 15%." What exactly is "mutational load"?

..."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 03, 2020 3:08 AM  

Mutational load is the net effect of mutations on the evolutionary fitness of an organism. It is based on the idea that almost all mutations are harmful rather than helpful to an organism. Mutational load is not about individual mutations, but the mutation rate of a particular organism, and how well it repairs or recovers from mutation.
If the great majority of the DNA is actually used by an organism, then the mutational rate that would be required to evolve at the assumed rate would doom genetic lines universally.
In other words, if the genome were about 15% as large as it actually is, the mutations would largely occur in sequences that don't matter and can be ignored. If all or almost all sequences are used at some point in the life of an organism, then almost every mutation matters, and almost universally to the detriment of the organism.
The calculate maximum functional percentage of human DNA for the evolutionary model to be true is about 15%. This is the source of the frequently seen claim that almost all of our DNA is "trash" that serves no purpose.
The ENCODE project, based on actual observation of protein encoding in human cells reveals that about 85% of our DNA is used in the production of proteins.
This is a basic falsification of the random mutation model of evolution. There is no way for random mutation to occur at the needed rate for the model to be true without dooming the entire population to extinction.

Blogger SciVo May 03, 2020 4:44 AM  

Genetic load is also one of the first factors that a normal person will notice in a physiognomic observation. By the time it is readily visible it is also very off-putting, which is why freaks insist that we not judge them by their appearance.

In a Morissettean irony, they also tend to be atheist adherents of TENS; so they might as well curse the name of St. Darwin, for such judgement affects the fitness of the species.

Blogger mike May 03, 2020 5:55 AM  

Since you're on this topic, Vox, I think it would behoove you to talk about the absolute debacle related to the upcoming game "The Last of Us 2". It's a textbook example of what happens when SJWs get involved in a game.

Blogger urthshu May 03, 2020 6:14 AM  

The 'problem' of LOTR for SJWs isn't really what the orcs are supposed to be but what the hobbits are. They're pretty clearly villager Midlands Brits with incredibly healthy boundaries, mental physical and spiritual. Can't have that. If you notice, there's still plenty of orc candidates everywhere in the world but hobbits are extinct or almost so.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 03, 2020 9:02 AM  

There are almost no modern shows uninfected with the proggy taint, and SG-1 is no exception.

That's true, but there's a big gap between 90s TV message fiction and today's. Then it had to appeal to general audiences, so you got some equality and girl-power stuff that was already part of the culture, but anything beyond that had to be subtle. Today they only have to appeal to their comrades who provide the funding and the reviews, so they can go wild.

I'm always surprised when someone, even in this crowd, is talking about a current TV show he's watching, and then he says something like, "You just have to look past the gay couple scenes and the way all the relationships are mixed-race." What? No, no I don't. The day I saw a promo for a show with two dudes kissing during an NFL game was the beginning of the end of me watching TV. There are plenty of good pre-2000 shows (and video games) to consume, and while they may be progressive for their time, they seem quaint now.

Blogger Macs May 03, 2020 7:09 PM  

I'm trying to rally the boomer resistance (gen-xer myself) in my town and this millennial liberal kid I know was going to agree to be our token mixed-race grifter, but he was incapable of saying anything nice about Trump, unfortunately

Blogger 1LLoyd May 03, 2020 7:22 PM  

What is overlooked is that there are blacks in Lord of the Rings. Only briefly mentioned, they fought along side of the Arab forces of Sauron. Orcs are not even dark enough to qualify as looking black.

Blogger 1LLoyd May 03, 2020 7:23 PM  

So the elves are Mongols? *snicker*

Blogger 1LLoyd May 03, 2020 7:25 PM  

Hear, hear.

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