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Sunday, June 21, 2020

Google activates fake conservative network

Of course, all conservatives are necessarily frauds of one sort or another, but the professional variety don't even hold to the fake non-principles of their failed non-philosophy. They're just pseudo-intellectuals-for-hire to the highest bidder.
Google reached out to nearly 100 conservative figures involved with the Heritage Foundation and with Koch-affiliated organizations to help with the company’s messaging after a dust-up with The Federalist this week, according to a new report.

“You may not have seen that NBC has corrected an inaccurate story they put out saying Google was no longer finding and running ads for The Federalist to profit from their content,” Google outreach manager Max Pappas wrote in a June 16 email to the group. “That is not accurate, we are, see Google public tweets below.”

NBC reported that day Google had pulled ads from The Federalist due to content in the site’s content section that Google found objectionable. NBC later clarified that Google had only given The Federalist a warning, but would not pull ads until the third policy violation.

Pappas directed his message to dozens of leaders or staffers affiliated with groups in the Koch network, according to The National Pulse’s Raheem Kassam and Natalie Winters, who obtained the email. The names included Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist; R Street President Eli Lehrer; Competitive Enterprise Institute President Kent Lassman; Heritage Action Executive Director Tim Chapman; Cato Institute Executive Vice President David Boaz; and Reason Foundation editor Peter Suderman.

Some of the most prolific recipients included the American Enterprise Institute, where 13 staffers received the message; the Cato Institute (10); the R Street Institute (8); the Mercatus Institute (5); the Competitive Enterprise Institute (5); and the Charles Koch Institute (3).

The groups have all reportedly received financial contributions connected to Google in recent years. They are also members of the State Policy Network, a group of organizations historically backed by libertarian business magnates Charles and the late David Koch, who died in 2019.
At this point, there is no meaningful difference between a cuckservative and a conservative. There simply aren't any conservatives who don't cuck on demand. Only genuine nationalists will ever stand up for the nation, and only those who openly oppose equality, tolerance, inclusion, and diversity are honest enough to be given even an initial modicum of the benefit of the doubt.

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Blogger xavier June 21, 2020 6:47 AM  

And these are the same organizations taking chicom money.
Very edifying to see the globohomo consensus so public
Now the enemies have thrown away their sheepskins

Blogger The Lab Manager June 21, 2020 7:08 AM  

Sadly, Texas is stuck with the cuck Cornyn for re-election this year. He was ready to cave to the renaming of military bases. Cruz is less cucky at times, but I think that is because Trump kicked him in the crotch.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart June 21, 2020 7:14 AM  

Meanwhile Reading in Surrey County has another outbreak of diversity. Couple of hours after a #BLM demo, an African stabbed and killed multiple Englishmen who were hanging out in the park with their families and children, enjoying the sunshine. You've all seen the news I'm sure.

Blogger boogeyman June 21, 2020 7:29 AM  

"Conservative" thought leaders were never meant to lead you anywhere, certainly not to anything like victory. They were only ever meant to ride herd on the unruly not-leftists. Just keep moving those Republican voters in circles from empty pasture to empty pasture, keep them distracted by the latest leftist outrage, until it's time to shear them at the ballot box. Then it's back out to pasture again.

Conservative think tank types and talking heads are the Grima Wormtongue's of American politics. They all deserve his fate.

Blogger CM June 21, 2020 7:32 AM  

Cruz is less cucky at times, but I think that is because Trump kicked him in the crotch.

Trump reminded him he has a pair...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 21, 2020 7:35 AM  

Probably just ask the conspirators to that party what exactly they are conserving.

Blogger Brett baker June 21, 2020 7:48 AM  

+1

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 21, 2020 8:09 AM  

The Lab Manager wrote:Sadly, Texas is stuck with the cuck Cornyn for re-election this year. He was ready to cave to the renaming of military bases. Cruz is less cucky at times, but I think that is because Trump kicked him in the crotch.

I believe Trump has a grudging respect for Cruz. The balls it took, rightly or wrongly, to attack Trump at his nominating convention was notable. I think they genuinely like each other now that they've had to work together. Ted may get his SCOTUS seat at some point after all.

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 21, 2020 8:15 AM  

Wondering how bad it would have been with Paul Ryan as Minority Leader and Jeff Flake still in the Senate voting with Chuck Schumer. A lot of cucks got run out in 2018. Two more house elections to go. I've heard that Trump isn't crazy about the two-party system, like the founders weren't. It'd be so different seeing no sides, but reasoned discussion about what's best for America. It wouldn't be hard to get used to the lack of traitors, though...

Blogger Jose Miguel June 21, 2020 8:16 AM  

@The Lab Manager

Why can't Texas produce a Texan more based than the Cuban for Senate?

That's something I still don't get.

Blogger Stilicho June 21, 2020 8:33 AM  

(((Lehrer Lassman Boaz Suderman))) quelle surprise. The only real surprise is that they haven't replaced Norquist and Chapman. I suppose it is fine to to keep a few tokens around for th optics.

Anyone want to bet whether Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz et al. Got the Google message too?

Blogger The Lab Manager June 21, 2020 8:54 AM  

Jose Miguel wrote:@The Lab Manager

Why can't Texas produce a Texan more based than the Cuban for Senate?

That's something I still don't get.


That's a good question. I did not vote for Cornyn in the primary this year. Even Texas has too many conservatards and really think the Bush family is Texan (they are about as Texan and BHO is a hetrosexual).

I listen to this local black conservative who agrees that Team R is run by establishment whores. He has some interesting people that opposed Cornyn in the primary and some other state offices.

Blogger John Rockwell June 21, 2020 9:20 AM  

"and only those who openly oppose equality, tolerance, inclusion, and diversity"

All those forktongued buzzwords have one thing in common.

The opposition to any standard that would make distinction between good and evil, beautiful and ugly and greatness and mediocrity.

Blogger Rough Carrigan June 21, 2020 9:34 AM  

"Anyone want to bet whether Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz et al. Got the Google message too?"

Some dogs are so well trained that their master doesn't have to use specific words or show a treat. They roll over and play dead on cue with no prompting.

Blogger Joe Smith June 21, 2020 9:40 AM  

@Dan in Georgia And you figure getting rid of the two party system would get you reasoned discussion, do you? Take a look at the Knesset.

Blogger Mr Smith June 21, 2020 9:41 AM  

Of course Google would hire Kochsucking Libertarians to play conservative.

Blogger JC June 21, 2020 10:09 AM  

I've noticed YouTube really wants me to watch decade old videos from the Hoover Institution lately. I have autoplay switched off but they are always on "Up Next" after I watch something that is actually right-wing. I'm guessing most of the channels I'm subscribed to will be banned before the election. I'd predict American Renaissance soon and Stefan Molyneux will probably lose his too. It is already shadow-banned.

At this point I just wish they'd go all in. Then we'll know that any that remain can't be trusted.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 21, 2020 10:15 AM  

The co-founder of The Federalist went on Tucker and said they did do that, or at least didn't deny it. Google needs to be completely broken up.

The government needs to just eliminate all non-profit status from all organizations in the US including churches. Without the non-profit status, we wouldn't be experiencing the BLM riots, J Street wouldn't exist, all these libertarian and left wing and phony right wing think-tanks wouldn't exist or at least would not be anywhere near as well funded or powerful.
While everything you do is taxed, everything they do isn't. The people who want do destroy us get to fund these people artificially with untaxed money. There are a lot of phony churches and synagogues out there. The "church" Dylann Roof attacked was one such church. It is an SJW activist "church" which exists to take advantage of the non-profit status of churches. They're all churchians anyway.

Blogger VD June 21, 2020 10:20 AM  

Then we'll know that any that remain can't be trusted.

We already know.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 21, 2020 10:22 AM  

Jose Miguel wrote:Why can't Texas produce a Texan more based than the Cuban for Senate?

That's something I still don't get.

The Texas GOP are giving you Cuban-Canadians to vote for to rub your nose in the fact that the GOP is an alien force in your nation. Same as the Texas Dems.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 21, 2020 11:11 AM  

Long list of ticket takers and bowties

Blogger Andrew Jackson June 21, 2020 11:14 AM  

To ominus cowherd: Colorado and Arizona Senate seats gone ,definite losses.Dems need 2 more to control Senate! Cruz most loyal Senator to Trump ,always votes with Trump! We will lose this election because of poeple like you!!!

Blogger Wild Man June 21, 2020 11:28 AM  

The way I look at it is that in the U.S. it really is a uni-party with two wings that gather up support by way of differing (sometimes opposing) narratives, as such gathering up enough political support so as to block outsiders from entering the political fray (Trump was an outsider, I think, and that is the reason for the huge animosity he has received from both wings of the uni-party). It really amounts to just this: - Trump can't be trusted, because he was not an insider, didn't come up through that political system as an acolyte first, and so ..... the primary thought by the uni-party on this is ...... 'Trump can be contained , manipulated, redirected etc., so as to begrudgingly support our agenda, yet he can never be trusted to not go rogue at any moment ..... and that should scare the crap out of any of us true supports of this uni-party!'

OK .... looking at it that way, what then does the uni-party actually support? Well that is pretty clear - eh? It's this 'neoliberal corporatist globa1ist western world order inclusive of the role neocons play in that vein'. This ideology has nothing to do with left/center/right. It is a totalitarian ploy whereby the proponents of this 'neoliberal corporatist globa1ist western world order inclusive of the role neocons play in that vein' seek to erase national sovereignties, so as to impose a new quasi-kingdom at the post-national level. Note that social and political ideas around left/center/right only apply after a kingdom has been broken. Before that, while a kingdom is still intact, .... the narratives and dictates that emanate from the kingdom's so-called sovereign - the king and his cronies - are really just about the whimsies that come up in the minds of this extremely small cohort (i.e. - you can't really talk about left/center/right until it is recognized within said jurisdiction that the sovereign is the people, however even after such eventuality, it is more likely than not that the people will be played and will be sold a new totalitarian sovereign, in the name of 'people sovereignty' - i.e. - eventualities like communistic regimes are examples of this fake-out in the name of 'people sovereignty').

So what we have here is a small group of political technocrats, as fostered by the billionaire class, working towards the new global kingdom. And in order to work towards this agenda, of course they must mercilessly lie (i.e. - gas-light) those within their so-called left/center/right political tent (which is a sham – there is no left/center/right political tents – because upon close examination these 'tents' are actually all just political chimeras).

Blogger Andrew Jackson June 21, 2020 11:34 AM  

Trump/Cruz 2020 guaranteed win in Nov!

Blogger VD June 21, 2020 12:53 PM  

The way I look at it is that in the U.S. it really is a uni-party with two wings that gather up support by way of differing (sometimes opposing) narratives

Wow, what an entirely new and incredibly original concept! Is that really how you look at it? Those are some truly groundbreaking thoughts you're coming up with here!

Blogger Wild Man June 21, 2020 1:25 PM  

VD - you agree then, that this uni-party aspect is completely obvious. Do you also agree that the motivation for the uni-arty to covertly behave as such, is for the reasons I gave?

Blogger Ska_Boss June 21, 2020 1:40 PM  

Would you rather get cucked or conned?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 21, 2020 1:49 PM  

It's not like your governor didn't fold like a cheap suit, himself. Texas loves their pseudo-hardcore right wingers, just like they love their population of S of the border folks.

Blogger Wanderor June 21, 2020 1:50 PM  

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Blogger Wanderor June 21, 2020 1:50 PM  

@23 Wild Man, are you new here bro?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 21, 2020 1:51 PM  

Actually, the news I read seem to indicate the stabber was an "Asian" as you all call them, who was doing a Muslim terror event.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 21, 2020 1:55 PM  

Trust them? You should trust no one and nothing. What part of this whole thing don't you get???
I *mostly* trust my immediate family.
Past that, no.

Blogger Solon June 21, 2020 2:24 PM  

@31 "as you all call them"

Hell no. Speak for yourself. I call them muzzies, because that's what they are, overwhelmingly so. "Durka durkas" if I'm talking to someone old enough to remember Team America: World Police.

Blogger Sheila4g June 21, 2020 2:26 PM  

@12 The Lab Manager: "I listen to this local black conservative who agrees that Team R is run by establishment whores."

I'm sure that 'black conservative' always has your best interests at hear, and will be there holding back the mob when the time comes, because principles over people, amirite?

Blogger Sheila4g June 21, 2020 2:30 PM  

@28 Zeroh Tollrants: "It's not like your governor didn't fold like a cheap suit, himself. Texas loves their pseudo-hardcore right wingers, just like they love their population of S of the border folks."

This x 1000. Granted, urban Texas (Houston, DFW, Austin) is filled with Californians and Chicagoans and NJ refugees, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of various vibrants. And don't forget all the karens. But in the 25 years I've lived here I've yet to see anyone win office other than a cuckservative. Texans are like the Mormons, in a big hurry to atone for their past reputation by virtue signaling and ruining their home as fast as possible.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 21, 2020 3:05 PM  

Wanderor wrote:Wild Man, are you new here bro?

I'm pretty sure he is a long time troll who has been banned many times (though I might be mistaken)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2020 3:23 PM  

Wild Man is not banned.
Conversation here is pretty open, except personal attacks on VD, black pilling, and Hasbara/actual trolling.

Blogger VD June 21, 2020 3:38 PM  

I listen to this local black conservative who agrees that Team R is run by establishment whores.

I applaud your virtuous refusal to see color and would like to express my sincere hope that you be eaten last.

Blogger The Lab Manager June 21, 2020 3:50 PM  

VD wrote:I listen to this local black conservative who agrees that Team R is run by establishment whores.

I applaud your virtuous refusal to see color and would like to express my sincere hope that you be eaten last.


I was simply making an observation; nothing more. So I'm not sure what you think are reading into here. I'd be more than happy to deport the nation ghetto duh-versity trash or concentration camps whichever comes first.

Blogger Wild Man June 21, 2020 3:52 PM  

@36 - I have no wish to 'troll' here (or anywhere). I never ever thought I was ever outlining some train of thought, so at to be purposely offensive, or to inspire an angry response, so as to enflame things for the sake of 'fire'. I want exchange of ideas. Patriots (those that understand what westernism is about - about responsible individualism - and support that) have about 100 different narratives going on (they can't all be accurate). Nothing is gonna happen unless we work towards some consensus, so as to actually have a big enough voice that may actually make some difference. That is not on right now. I want to rectify that. That is what I am about (and always have been). If there has been some misconceptions about me, with respect to past exchanges (and that was going back quite awhile ago now) .... that is unfortunate, for your endeavor (westernism) which is my endeavor.

One thing I think everybody here understands is that leftism is silly, stupid and really doesn't seem to amount to much more than extremely child-like narcissism. That is both a strength and a weakness. Since they don't need to make deep sense (only very superficial sense, if at all) .... leftists can therefore coalesce around any old stupid narrative (as long as it feelz good in the moment), and so they don't have a need for the proclivity towards nuance that centrists need. So leftists don't tend to have about 100 partially-conflicting narratives going at the same time (unlike centrists whom are capable of nuance).

Now suppose we all realizied this tactical difference and did something about it? Well that would turn the leftist strength into a huge weakness. We need to get there. As such we need to discuss nuance.

Blogger cecilhenry June 21, 2020 4:27 PM  

Controlled opposition is very much the reality of Conservatives across the West.

IN Canada the main 'Conservative' media and press is heavily controlled by the most vicious and anti-White of globalists behind the scenes.

Canuck Law reveals this very well:


Media #4: Much “Conservative” Content Dominated By Koch/Atlas

https://canucklaw.ca/media-4-much-conservative-content-dominated-by-koch-atlas/


Media #3: Post Media Controls MSM, Conservative & Alternative Media

(Post Media, which owns most “conservative” media outlets in Canada)

https://canucklaw.ca/media-3-post-media-controls-msm-conservative-alternative-media/


Sooooo, the head of the “alternative media” Post Millennial outfit is Matthew Azrieli, the grandson David Azrieli, the billionaire and Israeli media tycoon. Good to see some real opposition to the status quo here in Canada.

https://canucklaw.ca/media-6-inner-workings-of-the-post-millennial-staff/

Blogger Reprehensible Adam June 21, 2020 4:36 PM  

No more questions. You go back now. It’s party time.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 21, 2020 5:13 PM  

I'd be more than happy to deport the nation ghetto duh-versity trash or concentration camps whichever comes first.

There can be no solution as long as people are determined to draw a line between the diversity trash ("bad apples" as I heard them called today) and the good ones like your black conservative. That's the emotional stumbling block that's going to hold people up the longest.

There's one black guy at work. Seems like a good guy, I've worked with him on a couple things, and he knows his stuff. Definitely in the talented tenth. But I don't have any illusions that if BLM were marching up my road, he'd be there with me and my neighbors to fight them off. Maybe he would be; maybe he's a unicorn. But it's much more likely that he'd be marching with them, or quietly staying out of the way and rooting them on.

That's just the reality of race. That's how all the other races see it. Whites are going to have to come to grips with it too.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 21, 2020 5:15 PM  

@Wild Man As I said in my post, I may be wrong and apparently I was. My apologies.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 21, 2020 5:24 PM  

Wild Man wrote:Nothing is gonna happen unless we work towards some consensus,

This project is hopelessly doomed to failure. Creating a consensus necessarily moves to the center and cucking. Aside from that, we are not allowed to and are prevented from making our case to the larger society. We cannot form a consensus when we are not allowed to even part of the conversation. Promoting more civnatery does not help us. The center is too far to the left. Trying to form a "consensus" is what got us here.

Whatever the solution may be (and there probably isn't one anyway), it is not more of the same. It is not to be found in appealing to the center. It will not be "consensus" driven.

One of a few things can happen.
1) Things go on the way they are, slowly getting worse. This is a very real option.
2) Society falls apart and we lose anyway.
3) There is a civil war and we lose.
4) We are somehow able to impose our will on the rest of the country and in most other Western countries.

The ONE thing we are not going to do is form a concensus and then vote it into office and the system reforms and undoes most of the damage.

Blogger Sheila4g June 21, 2020 5:51 PM  

@40 Wildman: " Patriots (those that understand what westernism is about - about responsible individualism - and support that)"

"Responsible individualism" is an oxymoron. God's world is about hierarchy and community. Putting yourself second (to your husband, or to your people) doesn't come easily given our fallen nature. But it's the only way to avoid utter destruction. Egalitarianism and radical individualism were deliberately championed by the special people to prevent White identity and/or cohesion. Race matters. Hierarchy matters. Community matters. The individual? He's not the lone hero that libertardians like to imagine - he's a loser.

Blogger liberranter June 21, 2020 9:37 PM  

I'm guessing most of the channels I'm subscribed to will be banned before the election.

Subscribe to Bitchute. It has much better content (the type of material JewTube would ban before it ever saw its first view).

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( i'm not shocked Bubba Wallace got outsmarted by a garage door ) June 21, 2020 11:33 PM  

23. Wild Man June 21, 2020 11:28 AM
*jibberjabber*



the whole international pedophilia angle has completely escaped your attention, eh?



40. Wild Man June 21, 2020 3:52 PM
that centrists need.


centrists don't need a damn thing, they'll conform to whomever kicks their ass most effectively.

"centrist Republicans" are used by media ( going on a century of overt control by Marxists now ) to control and constrain anyone on the Right.

notice how CIA operative Buckley provided cover to eject the Birchers from polite society
...
even thought they've proven correct about almost every single claim they made.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 21, 2020 11:37 PM  

Kind of like China picking the next Dalai Lana or Chinese national pastor.

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2020 12:32 AM  

Hahahaha Dark Lord burn

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2020 12:33 AM  

Hes on fire!

Blogger JamesB.BKK June 22, 2020 3:00 AM  

@Tars Tarkas you omitted secession. That wouldn't be so bad. And it's constitutional. Contra what the mendacious emit.

Blogger crescent wrench June 22, 2020 3:26 AM  

"Only genuine nationalists will ever stand up for the nation, and only those who openly oppose equality, tolerance, inclusion, and diversity are honest enough to be given even an initial modicum of the benefit of the doubt."

The political reality of democratic process and propagandized masses make that electorally radioactive. The BLM riots are showing the magnitude of the black swan required to trigger a preference cascade would need to be Rwanda-tier.

Blogger JamesB.BKK June 22, 2020 3:46 AM  

National Review Conservatives are experienced deplatformers in service of changing the country and other countries. Rabid leftists are at least honest about their destructive horrible aims.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 22, 2020 7:31 AM  

you omitted secession. That wouldn't be so bad. And it's constitutional.

Constitutionality is irrelevant. Otherwise, secession sounds nice, but is only practical for a few places like Hawaii and Texas, maybe. But in most places the sides aren't divided by handy geographical lines; it's urban versus rural. How does Chicago secede from Illinois? Atlanta from Georgia? They can't and won't, because despite all their bravado and sneering down at us, they know they can't survive a week without our food. The worst ones, like Chicago/Illinois, also can't afford to secede from the union because they desperately need a federal bailout.

If they did secede as states, it would increase their internal pressure, as there would no longer be a federal government to blame for things and suck money from. That would lead to civil wars in each state, ending in either subjugated rural areas or burning cities.

Blogger Wild Man June 22, 2020 8:42 AM  

@46 - I maintain that westernism is about responsible individualism as per Enlightenment philosophy (which in turn is a philosophy that is contingent on pre-Christian Greek philosophy). As far as I can tell, deep Christian theology supports this responsible individualism, as well, (though today that still is a controversial topic within Christian circles).

Responsible individualism, at root, is based on the western conceptions of self-agency. The western conception of self-agency goes like this: We believe, as humans, that we each possess the power to make meaningful non-deterministic decisions ..... non-deterministic because we believe the outcome of many events in our lives, would have been different, if we had made different earlier decisions. Though decision-making is fettered by all kinds of conditionalites that limit pragmatic choice ..... nevertheless, westerners believe there is a core human decider-function, that does not cease operation, despite said fettering. We can almost always decide among choices (even if circumstances have severely limited the choice options).

Now what this then implies is that human beings are responsible for the consequences of their decisions. Thus the 'responsible' in 'responsible individualism'.

Note that much of the leftist bunk constantly being mercilessly pressed into the culture, at this juncture, is akin to a 'radical individualism' - an individualism free of personal responsibility for personal decision-making. This dynamic is very apparent in many dominant leftist themes at present – themes such as 3rd-wave lesbianistic man-hating type of feminism (which begets the idea that 2nd wave feminism, with it's focus on parity of opportunity vis-a-vis men, didn't go far enough – wut?), or such as this idea that – 'victimhood is synonymous with moral superiority', or such as - one-sided racism narratives that the idea that 'victimhood is synonymous with moral superiority' beget, or such as - the concept of white privilege (the idea that white people suffer from the condition of unconscious unearned white privilege …. note the gaslighting apparent within this concept of 'white privilege' … apparent by way of the confounding use of the term 'unconscious' within the concept definition). Also note that when one examines what elements within western culture have traditionally been prone to this radical individualism ….. one sees that, once upon a time, this was more or less limited to children (narcissism is normal within some human developmental stages), or psychically disordered adults (narcissists and psychopaths whom appear to be rather incorrigible by way of said psychic deficiency). However this is no longer the case. Now these pathologies are being presented as 'normal', more and more-so now.

Blogger Wild Man June 22, 2020 8:46 AM  

@46 continued:

This is an absolutely HUGE problem, because westernism's support of responsible individualism is a critical feature, because without it, the social ideas apparent in westernism (ideas like – 'equality of opportunity is good, because this leads to a merit-based system, whereby those that seize equality of opportunity, and are successful, by way of these efforts also bring more benefits for everyone'), collapses. If these western social ideas collapse, …. this leads to a massive curtailment of the progression of human ingenuity ….. and that will probably ultimately lead to species collapse (i.e. - the level of human-ingenuity-spawned benefits, is now so large, partly because the western system has become complex enough to support that – however once complexity becomes a criticality like this …. concepts that are subversive to that complexity, concept such as 'radical individualism' …. are extremely dangerous …. for every last person on earth). My explanation of this dynamic is akin to saying something along the lines of:

“So ...... the whole deal, about economics and politics and all that ..... it comes down to this: always always always foster the human ingenuity. That's the main thing. This always should be the main thing in economic/political systems. At one time this was well understood by the towering western intellects that shaped the western world by way of the whole arc, from the Greeks, to the Renaissance period, on to greater fulfillment of some of these ideas during the Enlightenment. These are western gifts to all of mankind. How best to set up a system to best foster human ingenuity is what the whole western endeavor has always been about. We best get back to that. Can't without centrist thinking. Time for the leftists to stand down. The view on human ingenuity I am espousing is a very optimistic viewpoint. Centrist thinking allows for this optimism. Leftism is about pessimism about human nature. Time for the leftists to stand down. Way, way too much Chicken Littleism.”

Sheila4g – given how I have defined 'responsible individualism' here, I can't see how that would be an oxymoron.

Blogger Wild Man June 22, 2020 8:47 AM  

@46 continued:

Your comment:

“God's world is about hierarchy and community. Putting yourself second (to your husband, or to your people) doesn't come easily given our fallen nature. But it's the only way to avoid utter destruction..”

I disagree. I believe that the deepest take on Christian themes in fact does support this idea of responsible individualism, even though there is a hierarchy of influence in people’s lives. The hierarchy of influence apparent in people's lives, as per westernism, is as follows:

By way of the root principles of western culture (the Enlightenment principles) - the culture is ordered as follows: The culture is arranged around the promotion of the concept of 'the responsible individual' as paramount with respect to the ordering of cultural priorities, with said support for this 'primacy of the responsible individual', supported by other cultural structures, and these structures are as follows (arranged in descending order of importance): Family, community, nation, humankind. The dictates of the 'primacy of the responsible individual', command this ordering (because these are the descending spheres of influence apparent within the lives of individuals). Care must be maintained to ensure that cultural coercion does not take place in this regards (by way of harming the primacy of the responsible individual, by way of harming the secondary primacy of the family, by way of instead supporting the primacy of the community). Internationalism (and not globalism), if we had it, would serve the nation which serves the community which serves the families which serves the individuals. In turn the responsible individual is expected to partake of the meritoriousness dynamic, so that all 5 sections of the overall culture will prosper. It is absolutely imperative, that any help provided, by way of the larger cultural structures helping the family structure, does not swamp this ordering.

I see no conflict between westernism and deep Christianity, with regards to these conceptions around individual/family/community/culture. In fact, deep Christianity supports westernism, I think.

Sheila4g – your further comment - “Egalitarianism and radical individualism were deliberately championed by the special people to prevent White identity and/or cohesion. “

There has been a lot of controversy over the centuries with respect to this word 'egalitarianism'. The Enlightenment philosophers, meant by that term – 'equality of opportunity'. Unfortunately the original meaning of the term has been subverted, and so now it is widely used to connote 'equality of outcome'. I would say that the term 'egalitarianism' has probably been subverted by the special people, ….. as it is readily apparent that the special people have been on the forefront of prompting this childish and extremely dangerous idea of radical individualism (i.e. - the shoe fits, but I haven’t done any research of precisely when and how the term 'egalitarian' was first subverted).

Sheila4g – your further comment - “Race matters. Hierarchy matters. Community matters. The individual? He's not the lone hero that libertardians like to imagine - he's a loser. “

Yes – race, hierarchy and community matter. They matter as to how they impinge upon the responsible individualist's life (as I outlined above). I don't see how this makes the responsible individualist a loser.

Blogger Wild Man June 22, 2020 10:27 AM  

@45 - Tars Tarkas - your comment:

"This project is hopelessly doomed to failure. Creating a consensus necessarily moves to the center and cucking. Aside from that, we are not allowed to and are prevented from making our case to the larger society. We cannot form a consensus when we are not allowed to even part of the conversation. Promoting more civnatery does not help us. The center is too far to the left. Trying to form a "consensus" is what got us here."

Yes - consensus is much easier to achieve within a centrist viewpoint. But that does not need to be equated with cucking.

Look - first of all we should get clear about what left/center/right is supposed to mean, because almost everyone misuses these terms, because the social science around discussions with respect to the political and economic spectrums have confounded the definitions. Which is just another deeper layer of cultural subversion (it has been going on for a very long time).

Left actually means a wish for more collective control (either politically or economically) whereas right actually means a wish for more individual freedom (either politically or economically). Centrists see that, the best option, is for a balance between these two 'wishes' of the people. This is very simple and straightforward. However, the social scientists have adhered 'fascism' to the far-right of the economic/political spectrum …. which doesn’t fit. Fascism is about the degree of ethnocentrism apparent in the culture. It is not hard to see that as such 'fascism' appears all over the political spectrum and has nothing to do with the far-right per se (intrinsically). Nobody is far right here. Nobody here wants complete and utter laissez faire economics, nor political libertarianism that pretends that power dynamics above the individual level are unimportant. Everybody here understands that these far-right conceptions are flawed because they ignore some realities of human nature (people will act immorally if they are not incentivized not to do so). Nobody here is naive enough to actually truly be right-wing because everyone here seems to be well versed with respect to the flaws of human nature (that far-right constructs downplay). As such, everybody here is a centrist. Upon this corrected defining around left/center/right …. as a centrist yourself…. I am quite sure you do not see yourself as a cuck.

You are right that, as centrists, - “we are not allowed to and are prevented from making our case to the larger society.” and that - “We cannot form a consensus when we are not allowed to even part of the conversation.” You are not right that promoting civic nationalism does not help us. American civic nationalism is THE prime example of westernism. If you abandon American civic nationalism you are in fact abandoning westernism.

You comment – 'the center is too far to the left'. It does appear that way. But what has happened is the entire culture has moved left since the 1970's. What inaccuretely passes for 'the center' right now is actually just a slightly less radical from of radical leftism (if we are being true to the real meaning of left/center/right).

Blogger Wild Man June 22, 2020 10:27 AM  

@45 continued:

Tars Tarkas – your further comment:

“Whatever the solution may be (and there probably isn't one anyway), it is not more of the same. It is not to be found in appealing to the center. It will not be "consensus" driven.”

Yes it will be. It will be a consensus formed by centrists, like you and me. Don't shirk your responsibility around this, as a centrist.

Tars Tarkas – your further comment:

“One of a few things can happen.
1) Things go on the way they are, slowly getting worse. This is a very real option.
2) Society falls apart and we lose anyway.
3) There is a civil war and we lose.
4) We are somehow able to impose our will on the rest of the country and in most other Western countries.“

Yes – you got that all pretty much right, in my estimation. There is very real imminent cultural danger at large – danger that could crater the western system if left unchecked. We call this danger 'leftism'.

Tars Tarkas – your further comment:

“The ONE thing we are not going to do is form a consensus and then vote it into office and the system reforms and undoes most of the damage.”

Yes I agree. The cultural realities of this leftist imposition has gotten so bad that more than the usual will be needed to correct westernism's current heading towards oblivion. Thus my idea (as I outlined in other recent comment threads here) that we should mercilessly scapegoat Obama/Biden/Hillary Clinton, and put responsibility for all these extremely dangerous false leftist narratives on them, when the opportunity arises, which looks like it might, by way of the Barr/Durham efforts …. it looks like extreme malfeasance will be revealed. These leftist dummies like scapegoating. We should give them what they want.

Blogger Akulkis June 23, 2020 6:35 AM  

Wildman -- at least learn how to refer to previous comments.

You don't need to put "your comment" in front of each thing. The quote marks are sufficient.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 23, 2020 11:48 AM  

@wild man "Fascism" is not inherently wraysist. Other fascist countries outside of National Socialism were not any more ethnocentric or wraysist than any other country at the time. Ba'athism is allegedly fascist (though they usually say National Socialist) and is not generally wraysist. Pinchet is also not considered wraysist.

I am not a centrist. While I am sympathetic to the view that leftists play a lot of word games and play fast and loose with definitions, we also must understand that other people hear words and believe them to be in their common use. If you call someone a sport, they are going to take that as a "good sport" and not a biological mutant. In that context, being a good sport is the commonly understood definition of the word. Appealing to the dictionary is completely useless. It is even more useless to appeal to an entire philosophy or political system that takes enormous effort to understand.

I completely reject equality, democracy and the alleged will of the people. Libertarians and cuckservatives redefine right-wing to mean extremely liberal. In the commonly understood sense of the word, as someone who rejects equality and the like, I am far right. Not a caricature of far right (Neo-Nazi racial supremacist), but actually of the right wing. Having a king would have entirely prevented the takeover of our elite with foreigners. It allowed foreigners of bad will with enough merit to get into the meritocracy to pull his fellows into the meritocracy, even though they did not merit being in the meritocracy. (Shlomo gets in on merit and pulls Jacob and David, who don't have merit into the meritocracy ) Most of the problems we face would not exist if not for our extreme liberalism and alleged "meritocracy" (which it is not) open to all people by merit.

When I said that we will impose our will on the rest, I was including secession.

What you want to fight for is "real liberalism" which is precisely how we got here. Even if one argues that recent changes were not "real liberalism," one cannot make the argument that it never existed in America. At some point in our past we were "real liberals" and yet, this is where we ended up. "Real liberalism" has led to self-hatred and riling up minorities to hate the majority. "Real liberalism" either created this mess or failed to prevent it.

I am not race obsessed, but my enemy is. The enemy gets a vote as our SDL likes to say.

Blogger Avalanche June 23, 2020 8:52 PM  

@58 "Yes – race, hierarchy and community matter. They matter as to how they impinge upon the responsible individualist's life (as I outlined above). I don't see how this makes the responsible individualist a loser."

If the race, or hierarchy, or community decide that your responsible individualist is not adequately supporting any/each of them in toto; then they will use their disparity of numbers and kill or drive off the responsible individual. An individualist gazelle gets eaten, 100% of the time. An individualist wolf starves and/or does not reproduce 100% of the time.

It does not matter how "responsible" either is; LIFE is based in groups of varying sizes.

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