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Sunday, June 28, 2020

Parler may be a trap

While it's possible that some of these restrictions are in place to deal with the inevitable SJW infiltrators and activists, I would not utilize it based on the dichotomy between its public free speech posturing and its Terms of Use. It's founder's statements about fighting badthink are also a significant red flag.
14. You agree to defend and indemnify Parler, as well as any of its o cers, directors, employees, and agents, from and against any and all claims, actions, damages, obligations, losses, liabilities, costs or debt, and expenses (including but not limited to all attorneys fees) arising from or relating to your access to and use of the Services. Parler will have the right to conduct its own defense, at your expense, in any action or proceeding covered by this indemnity.
Parler's claim to be pro-free speech also appears to be somewhat overstated:
9. Parler may remove any content and terminate your access to the Services at anytime and for any reason or no reason, although Parler endeavors to allow all free speech that is lawful and does not infringe the legal rights of others. 
Don't forget that Twitter and Facebook both used to cloak themselves in free speech rhetoric before unmasking their social justice faces. Parler also mandates AAA arbitration while banning group action, but lacks the California consumer protection laws.

I'm not saying this because we intend SG to compete with the likes of Twitter, Parler, and Gab - we don't. At best, Parler is for the cons and civnats who are being banished from the SJWsphere. It strikes me as the Breitbart of social media, a gatekeeping action meant to keep conservatives in the corral and ineffectual.

The core problem is that mass social media is now little more than an involuntary resignation machine.

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94 Comments:

Blogger Pierre June 28, 2020 7:11 AM  

Looks like a honeypot.

Blogger Yossarian June 28, 2020 7:34 AM  

"Free speech" are just buzzwords like "diversity is strength", "democratic socialism", "civic nationalism", "classical liberal", "new and improved", etc. It's probably the only thing both sides of the spectrum don't see as taboo therefore it's also the safest marketing strategy possible.

Blogger JACIII June 28, 2020 7:39 AM  

I'm on it. First impression is: It's just a little too slick. Some $$$ got sunk into it before it ever went live. Not a work in progress, but a full polished, prepped, and debugged launch right down to conservative inc personalities pushing it.

Blogger Nihil Dicit June 28, 2020 7:46 AM  

Mass social media is now little more than an involuntary resignation machine.

But muh important message!

I mean, but muh personal brand!

Okay, fine: but muh dopamine hits!

Blogger StrongCoffee61 June 28, 2020 7:59 AM  

Parler maybe a trap, or maybe not.

I've been going full blast nationalist rightwing for 2 days and have been well received.

My response to a Katie Hopkins comment has been the favorite so far.

I've been called a racist prick by a lefty.

So far, so good.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 28, 2020 8:17 AM  

Probably would not hurt if Trump, threw a little shade on the whole social media thing instead of building it up as the voice of The People. Clay Travis always notes that twitter is just twitter, most people in America do not post there and the loudest voices there are mainly lunatic leftists paid operatives. At Travis' website Outkick the Coverage he has a writer that makes a case for Parler, but yeah relying on mass social media is a trap.

Blogger JC June 28, 2020 8:20 AM  

Maybe I don't keep up with news but it seemed to come from nowhere and suddenly have high-profile names joining up with it. With everything going on at the moment, that should immediately raise a bunch of red flags.

Blogger Dont Worry About Me June 28, 2020 8:36 AM  

Appears to say you will be held personally liable if Parler is targeted for the kind of lawfare waged against hate speech

Blogger Crew June 28, 2020 8:37 AM  

Advertisers, many claiming waaaaaaacissssssm, also seem to be pulling back from social media ... which may starve the beast!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/coca-cola-pauses-advertising-on-all-social-media-platforms-globally.html

Blogger Br1cht June 28, 2020 8:38 AM  

I follow Neon Revolt on Gab and he re-posted two guys, the first had a salty meme regarding Rubios latest bill to give illegals Trump bux- censored..

The other guy had a anti vaxx ad that he wanted to run and it was denied and according to him, they did not refund him either.

I believe that Mr. Secret Service,Dan Bongino is a stockholder now and he follows the lamestream Cuckservative narrative in most things from what I´ve seen.

No expert on Mr. Bongo though so..

Hail the Supreme Darklord and his faithful servants and may they take away yet more sculls for our Darklord´s throne of sculls!

Sculls for the Scullthrone!

Blogger papabear June 28, 2020 9:01 AM  

Conservatives started announcing their decision to create Parker accounts after Carpe Donktum was banned from Twitter last week.

Blogger Unknownsailor June 28, 2020 9:03 AM  

JACIII wrote:I'm on it. First impression is: It's just a little too slick. Some $$$ got sunk into it before it ever went live. Not a work in progress, but a full polished, prepped, and debugged launch right down to conservative inc personalities pushing it.
Dan Bongino owns part of it. He's a CivNat, but he is useful for his pounding on the table coverage of the Obamagate scandal coverage. I think even he realizes by now that there will likely be no consequences for any of the principle architects of same, but Ive seen him say on many occasions that the right needs to play by the rules the left plays by.

Blogger nswhorse June 28, 2020 9:15 AM  

Seems pretty obvious Parler is just another Conservative Inc. gatekeeping operation. Because the world desperately needs another one of those. Just waiting for the NYT puff piece.

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 28, 2020 9:16 AM  

How dare you. All the conservative "influencers" are there.

More seriously, giving this well-kept gate a hard pass.

Blogger urthshu June 28, 2020 9:22 AM  

I've been seeing more talk about urbit and federated social media in general. At first glance it looks promising but I don't use social media anymore so it's a little hard to judge.

Blogger liberranter June 28, 2020 9:23 AM  

NONE of these social media outlets can or will resist the infection of SJW. None have to date, and it's unlikely any will. This is why I've avoided all of them.

Blogger Thad Tuiol June 28, 2020 9:28 AM  

I love the smell of astroturf in the morning!

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 28, 2020 9:29 AM  

@5 Strongcoffee61

What's your username there, if you don't mind sharing?

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 28, 2020 9:33 AM  

I used to think the only safe way to use social media was as a read-only news aggregator: follow people you like and read the things they share, but never post anything yourself. Even that's not really true anymore, though, because now you can be dinged just for following the wrong people. And if you're prominent enough for anyone to pay attention to, you can be attacked for failing to join in on the latest struggle session. Best to stay away entirely.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 28, 2020 9:36 AM  

All I see on "who to follow" in parler is Conservative Inc. That alone is fishy.

Blogger John Rockwell June 28, 2020 9:48 AM  

Not only doxing yourself but your entire phonelist:
https://twitter.com/DoppelMark/status/1276320504392159234

Parler is seriously glowing in the dark.

Blogger ZhukovG June 28, 2020 9:57 AM  

So, it sounds like it's a Gatekeeper Platform for the 'Controlled Conservative Opposition' as they progressively march a respectful three paces behind their Globalist masters.

Blogger ToTheRightRon June 28, 2020 10:00 AM  

I guess decentralization of social media isn't a bad thing. As the election draws closer twitter will probably deplatform more and more voices on the right. Maybe even the President himself. It may actually be there for that one reason only, as a platform for the President when he gets kicked off twitter and FB.

Blogger matveidaniilovich June 28, 2020 10:36 AM  

Weaponized Nerdrage has already been banned. Gamergater & OG Comicsgater

Blogger fredulent June 28, 2020 10:44 AM  

Parker also had a spurt of interest a year ago. A number of people joined then. I did too. Nothing happened there till recently.

Blogger Johnny June 28, 2020 10:45 AM  

>>14. You agree to defend and indemnify Parler, as well as any of its o cers, directors, employees, and agents, from and against any and all claims, actions, damages, obligations, losses, liabilities, costs or debt, and expenses (including but not limited to all attorneys fees) arising from or relating to your access to and use of the Services.

Something I don't get is how these institutions can write up conditions that seem to deprive their users of the court system. How can Parler get to decide the above? Isn't that the province of a judge?

Blogger Rick June 28, 2020 10:48 AM  

I like Twitter, it’s design, etc. Nice and clean, yet not plain and ugly. And I like it as a general news aggregator, in a sense. Ads are easy to skip. MSM news websites are unreadable. Direct comms from the Prez himself on Twitter right in the trenches. They (or we) just need to change what’s bad about Twitter. Not leave it. That just delays the problem. Having effectively two twitters by way of Parler effectively eliminates persuasion, and hides stupidity.
There’s room for SG as practically if not precisely a separate category, so this is not a criticism of SG at all.

Blogger peacefulposter June 28, 2020 11:11 AM  

Voulez vous parler avec mois ce soir?

Blogger James Dixon June 28, 2020 11:21 AM  

> Parler will have the right to conduct its own defense, at your expense, in any action or proceeding covered by this indemnity.

An open ended claim on your finances if they get sued? Uhm, no, I don't think so.

Merely from the evidence to date Parler is the controlled opposition. But it looks like even controlled opposition may be too much for the left. They're already get the attack stories in the media.

Blogger FUBARwest June 28, 2020 11:25 AM  

""Free speech" are just buzzwords"

This 1000%. One of the great benefits of this blog and Vox is how they cut through the lies. A History of Freedom of Thought is an illuminating book and I doubt I ever would have read it if it wasn't discussed here.

Blogger Gettimothy June 28, 2020 11:29 AM  

It strikes me as the Breitbart of social media, a gatekeeping action meant to keep conservatives in the corral and ineffectual.

#metoo

Blogger Careless Whisper June 28, 2020 11:30 AM  

Mr Antibully pointed out earlier that you can't read anything posted on it without signing up for an account. That move essentially mutes whatever is being said within to all parties not already signed up. Nothing said there will ever matter to anyone on the outside. In other words, just in time for the 2020 election, make all the MAGAs piss off and leave everyone else alone.
They know what they're doing.

Blogger Leoric June 28, 2020 11:33 AM  

It is probably going to be the Fox news of social media or crash and burn. Either way love SG and the Ilk family.

I cut out 90% of media I used to consume. So much more free time.

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 28, 2020 11:41 AM  

It's a small thing, but if calling tweets "parlays" was any more affected, it would glow in the shape of a fedora.

Blogger TMLutas June 28, 2020 11:47 AM  

The core problem is how to have two way mass communications going on in a sustainable way in a free society. Free people will experiment until we get it right with a maximum reduction in difficulty and a minimum amount of free speech restrictions going on (making conspiracy to commit murder illegal is likely always going to be with us and for good reason).

Is there any good reason for Parler not to be in the experimental mix? That it will fail is a hypothesis. How it will fail and can it be used as a testbed to improve the state of society in the meantime may be useful.

I say run the experiment.

Blogger Beardy Bear June 28, 2020 12:08 PM  

In theory, if you are the one suing or going into arbitration with them, then according to their terms, you must pay for their defense?

Not touching that.

Blogger Voracious Reader June 28, 2020 12:15 PM  

Like fredulent in @25, I signed up to Parler a year ago when it was being touted as the conservative alternate to Twitter.

I haven't been back since. Not even to check my account, to see if was still there. There was nothing on it that would entice me as cutting edge information, such as what I find on Gab or in blogs such as this one. And Gab has very much improved over the last year, too.

Parler was like reading National Review. As ZhukovG, stated, its another "Controlled Conservative Opposition" platform designed by our degenerate overlords to steer us sheep into pre-defined thought patterns.

I've had enough of amateurs hiding their crimes and telling me, their betters, on what to think. I'll stick with Gab and the many intelligent thought-provoking blogs, aggregators, and alt media, and laugh at Twitter and the rest dropping markers of the Truth when they deplatform or obfuscate.

I wonder how much Bongino is standing to make from Parler. He's a good man, but as stated above, definitely useful for addressing the upper levels of progressive/Deep State scandal but not so much the sordid, juicy stuff hidden away in the basement.

Blogger James Dixon June 28, 2020 12:19 PM  

And just in time to add to the conversation: https://gab.com/exitingthecave/posts/104416917915206359

Is the joke in poor taste? Obviously. Is it obscene? Not by any stretch of the imagination. But under no circumstance will you be allowed to ridicule Conservative, Inc. on their platform.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 28, 2020 12:30 PM  

NONE of these social media outlets can or will resist the infection of SJW.

I suspect that as long as they're open to the masses, it's inevitable. You can even look at forums that aren't strictly social media, from reddit to the Linux kernel mailing list: places that at one time were rough-and-tumble and if you didn't like someone's attitude that was your problem, but are now SJW safe spaces.

It's the old quote from someone: unless a thing is explicitly right-wing, it will drift left. And the corollary: even that doesn't stop it sometimes.

I cut out 90% of media I used to consume. So much more free time.

Same here, which is probably why this is the first time I'm hearing of Parler.

Blogger Gregory the Tall June 28, 2020 12:31 PM  

To be pronounced "parlour"

Blogger rikjames.313 June 28, 2020 12:32 PM  

I did sign up a few weeks ago, but haven't posted anything and had not gotten around to following the people banned from Twitter. Sounds like I want to drop it, though

Blogger Jeroth June 28, 2020 12:39 PM  

I already know someone who got banned for talking about Jews on Parler, and not in a vulgar or trolling way. It's definitely a kosher space.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 28, 2020 12:46 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Parler will have the right to conduct its own defense, at your expense, in any action or proceeding covered by this indemnity.

An open ended claim on your finances if they get sued? Uhm, no, I don't think so.

If they don't like you, I'm sure they can find someone to sue them about you, and an amenable court in which to be sued.

Pence is a judas goat.

Blogger PJW Gent June 28, 2020 1:03 PM  

Would be nice to have multiple accounts on multiple places: Twitter, Gab, Parlor, whatever and build an app that posts the same post to them all or whatever ones you check to (you can add places and accounts at will) that will collate posts/responses so you can track all online activity. That way you can be sure to get maximum effect with each effort and track responses by location. Sometimes I wish I were a programmer and then I say, forget it, since my limited efforts showcase my limitations.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2020 1:19 PM  

PJW Gent wrote:build an app that posts the same post to them all or whatever ones you check to (you can add places and accounts at will) that will collate posts/responses so you can track all online activity.
The problem is that Twitter, for an example, will continually change their API so that your app will stop working. Then you have to update, then they change, etc, annoying your users and eventually killing your app. Also, they have their own private API that allows them to do thing you can't, things that people who are willing to spend money on an app want.
There used to be 4 or 5 Twitter posting apps around. I'm not sure if any of them have survived.

Blogger Nostromo June 28, 2020 1:36 PM  

I just assumed it was a way for the C_A to lure unaware conservatives to put their names on a list for later re-education.

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 1:40 PM  

>> ["Free speech"]'s probably the only thing both sides of the spectrum don't see as taboo

If you think SJWs believe in Free Speech, you haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention to what's been going on for the last 15 years.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling June 28, 2020 1:44 PM  

"The Daily Lama" pointed out Tim Apple hasn't deleted their app.

Blogger Joe Smith June 28, 2020 1:48 PM  

@Crew It is not possible to "starve the beast" because the beast requires no outside resources. They're getting boosted by the deep state as mind control. Twitter has never made a dollar, and will never make a dollar.

Blogger PJW Gent June 28, 2020 1:51 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:
The problem is that Twitter, for an example, will continually change their API so that your app will stop working. Then you have to update, then they change, etc, annoying your users and eventually killing your app. Also, they have their own private API that allows them to do thing you can't, things that people who are willing to spend money on an app want.

There used to be 4 or 5 Twitter posting apps around. I'm not sure if any of them have survived.


There are a number of successful apps out there but they don't do anything but the big five and are fairly costly, mostly meant for commercial use, e.g., Buffer, Hootsuite, Sendible, and others. None of them touch Gab or Parlar or any of the smaller platforms and are overkill for what I wish I could do. Yes, you would need a plug-able interface approach to add APIs for new platforms as separate plug-able mini-apps and keep your function set relatively tight. If I were a young, smart programmer I would be right on this since the market exists and there is a large gap between the commercial approach and a lean, mean, keep track of what I am doing and who responds approach for the regular person.

Blogger Karen took the Kids June 28, 2020 2:27 PM  

Facebook and Twitter are open about their biases. Parler seem fishy, or piggy perhaps. Social Galactic is all you need anyway.

Blogger SirHamster June 28, 2020 2:28 PM  

Jeroth wrote:I already know someone who got banned for talking about Jews on Parler, and not in a vulgar or trolling way. It's definitely a kosher space.

Nostromo wrote:I just assumed it was a way for the C_A to lure unaware conservatives to put their names on a list for later re-education.

Word is that Parler is (((owned))). They also demand a phone number, which is why I quit Twitter.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 28, 2020 2:34 PM  

Just make a dummy acct using a VPN. If you never post anything, I don't know why anyone would ever pay attn to your acct. I had just under 10K followers when Twitter sank my decade old acct, and because I was very erratic on posting, (I'd take months and months off), my acct never grew much after year one. Nobody ever paid me much attn, even when I posted VERY no no things, until I got into it with a Pajeet and dissed her cow worship and swimming in a river full of dead bodies, because she was mocking and derogatory to the Amish. My kids' grandparents and extended family on their dad's side are all Amish, so I'm not a fan of Amish bashing, especially from some Brahmin who shouldn't even be in my country.
I forgot the #2 person at Twitter is also a dot head.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 28, 2020 2:41 PM  

I'll join and my first test post will be "The Jews did 9/1."
If that goes ok, I'll post "Black Lives Don't Matter." If that stays, the post will be "Grannies aren't women, there are only 2 genders."

That should work well enough for a test. Parler was soliciting subs about 6 weeks ago on Twitter, and I asked them just how free speech were they really and they were all "Oh, totally, totally. Anything can stay except death threats."

I don't believe them.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 28, 2020 3:02 PM  

Check out the Hootsuite app, which has some of the functionality you describe.

Blogger Heretic Hymnal June 28, 2020 3:17 PM  

Its a honeypot.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 28, 2020 3:28 PM  

Free speech as a concept is a trap itself.
Imagine if nobody said anything that they personally were not ready to sacrifice everything for. But free speech only ensures a value of zero. And that's all it is.
When I left faceberg, some boomers I knew complained and told me I was giving up on the fight. I'm not kidding.
They actually think they are making a difference. While being reduced to anklebiters before the Leviathan of mass culture poisoned and brainwashed by media and academia. Ohhh I get to post something Soros does not like online, I'm making a difference!
All free speech will ever amount to is the right to curse and yell while being hauled to the Gulag.
Possibly the whole damned internet is the Honeypot. Imagine if everybody took it outside.

Blogger crescent wrench June 28, 2020 5:14 PM  

Free speech as a concept has been a trap for a long time.

Appeal to "fairness" and "free speech" when not in power, crush it mercilessly when in power. The M.O. of the fake Americans since they started showing up in the 1960's

Blogger crescent wrench June 28, 2020 5:15 PM  

Parler is unfit for purpose to compete with twitter for a more obvious reason:

You can't even view timelines without partially doxing yourself to them by singing up for an account.

Blogger Jeff in OR June 28, 2020 6:14 PM  

Some of the folks from Red Ice radio are Parler so I think that is a good enough reason to maintain an account even tho I do believe it is an astro-turf Conservatism Inc. Operation.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel June 28, 2020 6:28 PM  

@27

"They (or we) just need to change what’s bad about Twitter. Not leave it."


Exactly how do you plan on doing that? Have a polite meeting with Dorsey? Let's be realistic. Maybe you can get him to promise he'll be more even-handed to you, just the way he promised that to Sean Hannity.

Of course, he's not going to do that. His corporate masters, the ones that are funding BLM and excising long established intellectual property in conspicuous virtue signalling won't tolerate it and won't advertise. Likewise the little leftbots that write the code would rebel.

These Silicon monsters need to be replaced, by something without the centralized control. I used to have some faith in open source, but that seems to be succumbing to convergence as well.

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 6:29 PM  

>> Something I don't get is how these institutions can write up conditions that seem to deprive their users of the court system. How can Parler get to decide the above? Isn't that the province of a judge?

They can't.

Microsoft put similar provisions in their EULA's. Lots of small business owners not savvy about law thought they actually signed away their rights to not only sue Microsoft, but to even contact police and turn over evidence (as those actions all violated the EULA).

Fortunately, such clauses are null and void. It's all verbal bullying, and NOTHING ELSE.

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 6:57 PM  

>> Facebook and Twitter are open about their biases.

No, they aren't. They swear up and down that they're neutral.

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 6:58 PM  

>> Word is that Parler is (((owned))). They also demand a phone number, which is why I quit Twitter.

Burner phone.

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 7:05 PM  

>> Of course, he's not going to do that. His corporate masters, the ones that are funding BLM and excising long established intellectual property in conspicuous virtue signalling won't tolerate it and won't advertise. Likewise the little leftbots that write the code would rebel.

Anybody who talk about changing Fakebook, Twitter, Google and or Youtube with sooper-sekrit stragety #321 (posted on Fakebook, Twitter, Google's properties, including Youtube) is an absolute idiot. Nothing less than a full and complete VIOLENT take-over of Twitter will change any of them. Anything less is insufficient. And even doing that, the only change will be dissolution of the whatever company, as the SJW's in HR will refuse to show up, and then nobody (not even the rare real Americans who continue to work there) will get paid.

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 7:57 PM  

Here's a non-deplatformable alternative:

http://diasporafoundation.org/

Blogger Akulkis June 28, 2020 8:06 PM  

Oh, I forgot to mention, most Linux distributions have the disapora* server as an installable package. Set up your own server, connect it to the diaspora* network. You can't be deplatformed from your own server, and it's difficult to root out particular servers when many of the other server-owners own their own servers for the same reason you do.

Blogger Didas Kalos June 28, 2020 8:55 PM  

How could the person post about joos and not say anything vulgar or trolling? "my neighbor Mr. Weiner just mowed his lawn?"

Blogger Kat June 28, 2020 10:19 PM  

My main thing is that Flynn is on there. For those that follow Q, Flynn is kind of a north star, so if he's on Parler I'm willing to check it out.

I'm actually kind of glad to see them patrolling the shitlords though. If you want to use racial slurs and swear words then Gab is your place. If you're a basic red state normiecon then Parler is the sort of place where you can feel like you're not alone. That's huge for many people.

Blogger Canada78Bear June 28, 2020 10:50 PM  

I like how you agree to defend them in any case resulting from you using their service. Termination at any time and you pay their legal bills they send you.
Never heard of Parler, seems they now don't want anyone with an IQ over 80

Blogger Bezzle June 29, 2020 1:10 AM  

>> Word is that Parler is (((owned))).
>> They also demand a phone number,
>> which is why I quit Twitter.
>
> Burner phone.

The whole point of not using a phone is so the device cannot be used a doxxing tool. Even a burner phone is likely to have location services that are PITA to babysit (i.e., every time there's an update). -- Of course you could throw the thing away, but then you're SOL if the site you joined demands a verification code.

Better idea: Chris Pratt middle-finger unroll to all sites requiring a phone number.

Blogger Darren June 29, 2020 2:02 AM  

...controlled by Amazon / Bezos.

A few people shared that perspective after digging into its history etc.

Blogger Darren June 29, 2020 2:05 AM  

WWNFD?

What Will Nickels Fuentes Do?

Blogger Darren June 29, 2020 2:08 AM  

[I'll take my plateful of Globalism Gruel with "right wing" flavor crystals please]

Blogger Darren June 29, 2020 2:16 AM  

(!) Nice find -- that convo, that kind of glowing exposee of Parler is the type.of stuff I always appreciated when it goes viral oeganically all over Gab but would never be allowed to do so on Twitter.

Of course the VP community is usually even faster on breaking and analysis, but two different audiences, each serving their own important purpose in this War.

Blogger Darren June 29, 2020 2:20 AM  

BIG glowing flag of warning.

When someone or something is under attack by certain people and their 4amMemos you just know it is likely worth checking out... but the opposite is a sign to be wary of -- the dog that didn't bark, and all that...

Blogger VD June 29, 2020 5:51 AM  

Burner phone.

You're missing the point. Now stop with the Smart Boy routine. It's tedious.

Blogger Pontificus Maximus June 29, 2020 10:32 AM  

“Resignation machine”. LoL. It reminds me of “quiet desperation is the English way” (Pink Floyd, Time)

Blogger John Rockwell June 29, 2020 11:54 AM  

Also MasterCard is in the Business of Deplatorming us:
https://twitter.com/LABasedComedian/status/1277009113659043840

Likewise with Visa too.

Blogger Akulkis June 29, 2020 12:36 PM  

>> I like how you agree to defend them in any case resulting from you using their service. Termination at any time and you pay their legal bills they send you.

Contract of Attachment. Hugely favors the contract-writer with little to no benefit for the contractee. Will not survive court scrutiny. Ignore it.

Blogger Akulkis June 29, 2020 12:40 PM  

>> The whole point of not using a phone is so the device cannot be used a doxxing tool. Even a burner phone is likely to have location services that are PITA to babysit (i.e., every time there's an update). -- Of course you could throw the thing away, but then you're SOL if the site you joined demands a verification code.

You don't EVER use it, or even put the battery in it while at home. You insert the battery in the middle of a shopping mall, coffee shop, bus station, or other place with a lot of people in transit and sitting/standing around using their phones to look things up. You do what you need to do, and then you take the battery out again.

This isn't difficult.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 29, 2020 1:45 PM  

Akulkis wrote:You don't EVER use it, or even put the battery in it while at home. ...

This isn't difficult.

Better yet, don't stick your neck into the trap.
This isn't difficult.

Blogger David Buchner June 29, 2020 4:48 PM  

Got any links to "It's founder's statements about fighting badthink "? I too have been very suspicious of Parler. If for no other reason than the sudden bandwagon of everybody and his uncle urging me to move over there... as if Gab didn't even exist. Hmmm...

Blogger Akulkis June 29, 2020 6:14 PM  

Don't trust anybody.

Blogger SacrificialLamb June 29, 2020 7:31 PM  

@69. (((Gab))) is controlled by Israeli Mossad. Take note that Gab is housed in Anguilla (a money laundering haven), which is a mere fart's breeze away from Saint Martin/Sint Maarten.....which houses a stronghold for (((Chabad))).

Gab can be useful, but it's wise to always be aware of it being a (((controlled opposition))) site.

And yes, Parler is also a honeypot and controlled opposition site. At best, it's a gatekeeping site. How do we come to this conclusion?

* draconian Terms of Use
* need for a phone number (to create an account)
* open willingness to harvest your phone contact list
* arbitrary content deletion
* declaration of forced arbitration
* declaration of no class action lawsuit allowed
* hyper-slick appearance
* hyped by mainstream media; promoted by conservatives
* cannot view timelines without being doxxed (by signing up for an account)
* number 14, which Vox lists above

There's more, but you get the gist of it. And all this is without even doxxing any possible investors or proxy owners for the site.

It's unwise for people to stick their necks into an obvious trap, burner phone or not. Personally, I would just leave the site alone, and let it rot. To put this mildly, Parler is "kosher-approved".....and it glows in the dark.

Blogger Tasso June 29, 2020 8:35 PM  

Doesn't matter if it's CONSCIOUSLY a honey pot or not. If you want to use computers safely, you must assume that any and all proprietary software is a honey pot. Social media platforms that are BOTH proprietary AND centralized especially fall into this category. Parler is both proprietary and centralized. You don't ever actually know what you're subjecting yourself to and you have no power to take matters into your own hands.

GAB, on the other hand, is neither proprietary nor centralized. Gab is just one node in a wider network. You can have an account on freespeechextremist.com or noagendasocial.com or something, and you can still follow and interact with gab users. Anybody can host their own gab server. Anybody can be their own admin if they want to. The network doesn't rise and fall based on Torba's ideology or whatever. Free speech is guaranteed, not merely promised. Torba couldn't censor the wider network even if he wanted to. I have an account on shitposter.club, so Torba ain't even my admin. See the genius of this design? See why we can't settle for half-assed non-solutions like Parler? Don't waste a single second of your time on Parler, guys. Parler is not the answer. It solves nothing.

Blogger Akulkis June 30, 2020 1:27 AM  

>> Doesn't matter if it's CONSCIOUSLY a honey pot or not. If you want to use computers safely, you must assume that any and all proprietary software is a honey pot. Social media platforms that are BOTH proprietary AND centralized especially fall into this category. Parler is both proprietary and centralized. You don't ever actually know what you're subjecting yourself to and you have no power to take matters into your own hands.

Exactly.

Likewise, assume ANYTHING that you put into encrypted form will be decrypted at some future time. Don't put anything which needs to stay secret for 5 years under encryption which can be broken with 6 months of computing power thrown at it.

Blogger Tasso June 30, 2020 7:05 AM  

>Likewise, assume ANYTHING that you put into encrypted form will be decrypted at some future time. Don't put anything which needs to stay secret for 5 years under encryption which can be broken with 6 months of computing power thrown at it.

Yeah, essentially. In theory, aes-256 will take an exceedingly long time to crack, like probably longer than the supposed remaining lifespan of the universe. But who knows what kind of technology will develop in the future to crack this stuff? Even with encryption we're not 100% safe. Far better to have it than not to have it, though

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 30, 2020 4:20 PM  

Tasso wrote:But who knows what kind of technology will develop in the future to crack this stuff?
People always go on about technology.

People eagerly give up their privacy for a free app, eagerly give up passwords for a free candybar. Brute-forcing is probably almost unheard of. When they do use force, it's more likely to be skull-cracking than password cracking.

Blogger Tasso June 30, 2020 11:33 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd

This is true. It's probably because most people see the computer as just another household appliance. We all feel perfectly content to use things like refrigerators and plumbing, even if we have no idea what kind of infrastructure makes plumbing possible or have no clue how a refrigerator works or whatever. We don't really care to figure out how our pens and pencils work, or how different kinds of papers interact with different kinds of ink. Our ignorance of how these things work doesn't dissuade us from using them. So what's so different about a computer?

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As soon as they abandon the requirement to provide phone number for registration, I will register there. Noway so far. Too sketchy.

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Even if they get rid of the phone number requirement, you still can't *see* (or archive) anything outside of the ecosystem. IOW, it's a complete waste of time mutual circle-jerk, and site content will 100% delete as soon as they're inclined to pull the plug.

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