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Friday, June 19, 2020

Who gave Floyd the Fentynal?

Even the St. Floyd skeptics aren't being skeptical enough:
We need to understand the facts surrounding the death of George Floyd. Many key facts are being ignored:
  • Floyd’s blood tests showed a concentration of Fentanyl of about three times the fatal dose.
  • Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid 50 times more potent than heroin. It has rapidly become the most common cause of death among drug addicts.
  • The knee hold used by the police is not a choke hold, it does not impede breathing. It is a body restraint and is not known to have ever caused fatal injury.
  • Floyd already began to complain “I can’t breathe” a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied, while resisting the officers when they tried to get him into the squad car. Fentanyl affects the breathing, causing death by respiratory arrest.
  • It was normal procedure to restrain Floyd because he was resisting arrest, probably in conjunction with excited delirium (EXD), an episode of violent agitation brought on by a drug overdose, typically brief and ending in death from cardiopulmonary arrest.
  • The official autopsy did indeed give cardiopulmonary arrest as the cause of death, and stated that injuries he sustained during the arrest were not life-threatening.
  • Videos of the arrest do not show police beating or striking Floyd, only calmly restraining him
  • In one video Floyd is heard shouting and groaning loudly and incoherently while restrained on the ground, which appears to be a sign of the violent, shouting phase of EXD. His ability to resist four officers trying to get him into the squad car is typical of EXD cases. A short spurt of superhuman strength is a classic EXD symptom.
Minneapolis police officers have been charged with Floyd’s murder. Yet all the evidence points to the fact that Floyd had taken a drug overdose so strong that his imminent death could hardly have been prevented. In all likelihood, the police were neither an intentional nor accidental cause of his death. These crucial facts have been completely ignored in the uproar.
Here is my question: what is the basis for assuming that the excessive amount of Fentanyl in George Floyd's system was self-administered? None of the facts being ignored appear to rule out the possibility that the lethal overdose was administered to him, possibly by one or more of the police officers involved in his arrest.

Considering that Floyd was hanging around after unsuccessfully trying to pass a forged $20 bill, when did he supposedly take the Fentanyl? Not being even remotely familiar with opioids, I have no idea how long it would take for the drug to take effect, but given the size of the fatal dose, it would appear to be possible that it was administered some time after the police arrived on the scene. Perhaps Floyd was a dealer who was trying to hide his wares, or perhaps the drug was surreptitiously injected into him once he was in custody.

The two points to take away from this are: a) we don't know who was the source of the lethal overdose and b) as usual, the Official Story is false and misleading.

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Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid June 19, 2020 7:58 AM  

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had been offered the acting role of a lifetime, but received an OD instead of a retirement after the job was done.

Blogger jijijeac June 19, 2020 8:10 AM  

I don't think cops administered it. Based on my knowledge of gangbangers and criminals gained from hanging around some of their internet communities they basically stay high on different drugs all day. Its their way of dealing with pain and the struggles in the street. They're basicly on drugs such as lean, molly,weed and fetanyl 24/7.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqO65Ep6FsY

Its rare but some do die from overdoses and many have health problems

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/20/fredo-santana-nearly-died-xanax-lean-three-months-death-7245312/

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-lil-wayne-sizzurp-codeine-20130321-story.html

I think in this case the guy was already having issues due to the drug and him being placed on the ground with a knee on his back was the final nail in the coffin.

I mean there is a chance of this being a false flag by the left who have been preparing for something like this for while now but neah I don't think the cops needed to inject any drugs in him. Pick any random criminals and gang bangers and all of them probably have some drugs in their system.

Blogger Nihil Dicit June 19, 2020 8:13 AM  

At the risk of a virtual chokehold: does it matter? The Official Story has take root the world over, and it's what every leftard is running with and on.

The autopsy clearly stating that the restraining hold was not the cause of death was released fairly quickly and was met with little more than "Unh-uh!" by the BLManiacs. What good are facts here?

Blogger Silent Draco June 19, 2020 8:13 AM  

Fentanyl can be delivered by dermal patch, with a carrier moving the drug into the body. It's a slow/steady release for safer use, but you can add any number of patches to deliver a higher or lethal dose. Floyd could have done this himself and received a final boost over the edge, or it could have been done to him without him noticing. The only way to find a "special" lethal dose patch would be to save the patch and test for its contents. A "special" patch could easily vanish into medical waste at the scene.

This is another reason why first responders are trained to put on gloves, first. A number of them became emergency cases after handling ODs who had more patches concealed under clothing, or after peeling off patches. The residual drug and carrier move that well.

Blogger qualitycontrol June 19, 2020 8:19 AM  

It's an interesting theory, but the use of Fentanyl really makes me wonder. I'm sure the deep state could have used a few actors to create a bulletproof narrative. Or they could have rigged the autopsy. This makes me think Floyd had the drugs on him and decided to take them just before he was caught by the police.

Blogger Stilicho June 19, 2020 8:22 AM  

Now we are being given 2 official stories: Floyd murdered by police and Floyd dies of overdose. TPTB are throwing a wider net.

Blogger Thomas Bateman June 19, 2020 8:26 AM  

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Blogger Weak June 19, 2020 8:29 AM  

The simplest explanation is that Floyd swallowed his stash when the police arrived.

The conspiracy angle is that Floyd & Chauvin worked at the same nightclub where they were part of a money laundering operation. This was Chauvin cleaning up a loose end.

Blogger Gettimothy June 19, 2020 8:32 AM  

The growing awareness of the intelligent malevolence running "our" institutions is not something I at all anticipated.

Leveraging our trust against us is a vile cunning.


This is getting grim.


Blogger Ken Prescott June 19, 2020 8:37 AM  

Knee on the neck is not an approved restraint method. Even back in the 1980s, I was getting told to be extremely cautious with knee restraint, specifically to apply the knee away from the spinal column (obvious risk) and in general due to the risk of asphyxiation (yes, there is a risk of asphyxiation anytime you forcibly restrain someone in the prone position for more than a couple of minutes). The rule is pretty simple; once the suspect stops resisting, get him upright and in the car.

If the fentanyl caused the death, Chauvin was making sure it would be too late to resuscitate Floyd.

Excited delirium is not an actual medical diagnosis.

Blogger Rocklea Marina June 19, 2020 8:39 AM  

Three times the fatal dose does not mean it was a fatal dose. Addicts build up a tolerance and Saint Floyd was a big guy.

Blogger rognuald June 19, 2020 8:40 AM  

The Official Story seems to be that George Floyd, a gentle giant getting his life together, was brutally killed by a racist white cop and that innocent Black people are being brutalized and killed in the thousands by white cops all the time.

Blogger VD June 19, 2020 8:40 AM  

Pick any random criminals and gang bangers and all of them probably have some drugs in their system.

You're missing the point. They don't have THAT MUCH in their system. They can't, or they'd drop dead.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 19, 2020 8:41 AM  

I don't think the conspiracy angle is such a huge leap. Look at all the theories that have been proven true over the years.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 19, 2020 8:42 AM  

Like Las Vegas and other incidents that the Kabal hangs their narratives on, we will never know the truth.
And it's not like it matters anyway. Truth will be ignored like double standards are ignored.
Truth takes thought and understanding. Even those without malice are incapable of grasping it. Possibly a natural human function that occurs when populations hit a certain level so as a means to curb itself.

So I prepare for lies and more people acting on lies. In a way it's like the decision to use a car horn or take the time and motion to avoid the accident. I have not had an accident in 32 years and every vehicle I had the horn didn't work. Conservatism died while honking the horn and the drunk driver never heard it.

Blogger Lazarus June 19, 2020 8:45 AM  

Rattlesnake_Kid wrote:Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had been offered the acting role of a lifetime, but received an OD instead of a retirement after the job was done.

Gotta tidy up those loose ends.

Back when just heroin was involved, you could get rid of a problem by supplying purer heroin to the difficult customer. Not being used to the purer form, they would O.D. It was called a Hot Shot.

Blogger rikjames.313 June 19, 2020 8:49 AM  

The Atlanta cop's stepmother was fired by her corporation as part of their Juneteenth celebrations. Locally the major employers are either giving everyone the day off or (like GM) are stopping the line for 8 minutes to honor George.

They removed the Columbus statute because his discovery of America led to colonization of America and therefore slavery

Blogger John Regan June 19, 2020 8:50 AM  

What struck me at the beginning about the video is that the guy on the ground didn't look much like the pictures of Floyd, and also it seemed earlier in the video he had hair on his head but on the ground he didn't. And I really don't know what to think about any of that.

Blogger Joe June 19, 2020 8:57 AM  

"Here is my question: what is the basis for assuming that the excessive amount of Fentanyl in George Floyd's system was self-administered? None of the facts being ignored appear to rule out the possibility that the lethal overdose was administered to him, possibly by one or more of the police officers involved in his arrest."

One of the common ways people are murdered is by tampering with their drugs, usually through the dealer. This is one of the ways they deal with celebrities when they have literally become worth more dead than alive. Police aid in the cover up by not doing a proper investigation.

Blogger [Redacted] June 19, 2020 9:04 AM  

When Epstein died, I told a former friend, that part of the social inversion would be making his death a rallying cry for justice far in excess of any justice for his victims. In doing so, it degrades and mocks justice as an ideal, the justice system as a practical institution, and purported truth seekers as viable investigators. It is likely the same with Floyd. Everything is fake, gay, and designed to instigate arbitrary conflicts as distractions.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 19, 2020 9:17 AM  

John Regan wrote:What struck me at the beginning about the video is that the guy on the ground didn't look much like the pictures of Floyd, and also it seemed earlier in the video he had hair on his head but on the ground he didn't. And I really don't know what to think about any of that.
Every part of the official story, everything we are being told, is intended to deceive. That doesn't mean it's all false, but it does mean none of it points us at Truth.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is that she don't know she's in Dunning-Kruger Club ) June 19, 2020 9:17 AM  

10. Ken Prescott June 19, 2020 8:37 AM
Knee on the neck is not an approved restraint method.


UNTIL the Israelis started training cops.

https://cloverchronicle.com/2020/06/09/did-derek-chauvin-and-other-minneapolis-police-officers-receive-knee-on-neck-training-from-foreign-forces/


regardless of when the Fentanyl was administered, the real key is Chauvin holding the position long after all resistance had ceased and even after they couldn't find a pulse.

what possible excuse could ANYONE have for continuing to kneel on a body which doesn't have discernible breathing or pulse and which is quite obviously unconscious or dead?

Blogger Cinco June 19, 2020 9:25 AM  

The dosage of fentanyl and the effects thereof would be largely dependent on the route of administration. If he went back to his car and OD’d on Fentanyl that actually explains a lot! Opioid induced respiratory depression is a killer:

http://uthscsa.edu/artt/AddictionJC/2020-01-28-Hill.pdf

It explains why he was saying “I can’t breathe”. Honestly combining fentanyl and morphine is a dangerous game.

Blogger Canadian Warlord June 19, 2020 9:32 AM  

There doesn't need to be any 'false flags' or other such orchestration involved, though I'm glad those terms are now in the lexicon. It's just another iffy, murkey, grey area police-related death that will split public opinion across a pre-existing fault line.

Blogger Servant June 19, 2020 9:40 AM  

"excited delirium is not a medical diagnosis"

Not all problems are medical. The descriptions of excited delirium are consistent with biblical possession accounts. Take a bunch of pharmakia (word most Bibles translate to sorcery) till you're in outer space and some unclean spirit takes you for a ride. In excited delirium accounts, restraint leads to them suddenly winding down. The fight suddenly leaves them. Going from a high heart rate to complete rest is dangerous.

Blogger Phelps June 19, 2020 9:45 AM  

The metabolites are the key. Since he had metabolized almost half of the dose, you just look a the half life of fentanyl, which is 2-4 hours in adults. That means that he dosed / was dosed (at least the majority) of his dose long before he me the cops.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 19, 2020 9:47 AM  

Fentanyl killed Floyd. That's reasonable doubt right there. Next: The jury finds the four Minneapolis police officers not guilty of murder as a result of said doubt.

Then all hell breaks loose in Minneapolis and other cities, just like it did in LA in 1991 after the jury acquitted four white cops of not using excessive force against Rodney King.

Same dynamic is evident in Atlanta. Lame duck DA overcharges white police officer with murder, likely expecting an easy acquittal followed by massive rioting.

Pure evil.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 19, 2020 9:48 AM  

Canadian Warlord wrote:There doesn't need to be any 'false flags' or other such orchestration involved, ... . It's just another iffy, murkey, grey area police-related death that will split public opinion across a pre-existing fault line.
Maybe the most important bit of misdirection in the official story is that how Floyd died matters. It doesn't.

As soon as the Chinkypox failed the Left, they were going to take the first dead nigger they found and run with the corpse, all the way to the riots. It's not like they would have to wait long for a dusky criminal to die while assaulting cops - it happens a couple of times a month.

Blogger rikjames.313 June 19, 2020 9:54 AM  

Joe wrote:"Here is my question: what is the basis for assuming that the excessive amount of Fentanyl in George Floyd's system was self-administered? None of the facts being ignored appear to rule out the possibility that the lethal overdose was administered to him, possibly by one or more of the police officers involved in his arrest."

One of the common ways people are murdered is by tampering with their drugs, usually through the dealer. This is one of the ways they deal with celebrities when they have literally become worth more dead than alive. Police aid in the cover up by not doing a proper investigation.


The Detroit Partnership, the local mafia family, reportedly uses forced hotshots of drugs to do most of their killing now. There was a big mess with Operation Game Tax and (allegedly) the Boss ordered low key killing so the police would have a reason to ignore the murders

Blogger Werekoala June 19, 2020 9:54 AM  

I will point out again, as I did with the death of the guy in New York a couple of years back - if you can SAY "I can't breathe" then you are, in fact, still breathing.

Blogger Other Josh June 19, 2020 9:55 AM  

@8, yep. This is the theory I have run across as I've researched. Both Chauvin and Floyd worked at a nightclub, El Nuevo Rodeo, for multiple years. This club has been alleged to be involved in human trafficking and counterfeit money. There's some weird stuff involving the FBI and the owner of Omar Investments, who owns the club.

So, we have a scenario where Floyd tries to use counterfeit money without permission. He's a loose end that is a threat to the counterfeiting operation. There is a reason those specific cops responded to the crime scene. They were dirty cops. They knew they had to deal with Floyd to protect the operation, so they made sure he couldn't speak and wouldn't pass anymore fake $20's without permission. Floyd knew he was going to be executed, hence the resistance and the end result we saw. In the riots, the club is burned and all records and evidence are destroyed.

It's just a theory, but it makes more sense to me than the stupid one put forward on the news networks.

Blogger Katusov June 19, 2020 10:01 AM  

It was reported that Chauvin was seeking a plea deal before the 2nd degree charges were brought. Now that it is off the table, expect the defense to bring up the conflicting post mortem accounts, and the drugs in Floyd's system, to raise reasonable doubt in the jury. Still, the video of Floyds death is quite compelling. Chauvin's cold hearted response to a man pleading for his life, a man handcuffed behind the back with limited means to pose a real threat, is what will get him convicted.

Blogger Roninf9 June 19, 2020 10:07 AM  

Here is video of Floyd furtively dropping bags of white powder during the initial arrest. Also, the original 911 caller said that Floyd was acting strange like he was drunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhyTi1ve0s

In addition to fentanyl the autopsy also found meth and traces of THC in his system. Mixing uppers and downers is very dangerous.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 19, 2020 10:08 AM  

The amount which is a "fatal dose" is extremely dependent on the person. A dose that could kill 3 people could have no effect at all on a person with a high tolerance. If there is an upper limit to this effect, I am not aware of it. But this effect is so strong that addicts are known to stop for a few days or go to rehab to reduce their tolerance.
There is no way that George Floyd was overdosing when the police made contact with him, nor was he on a high (for him) dose. People taking opiates do not act like that. He would have been passing out, not fighting.
He either had an enormous habit or it was administered after the fight or it was swallowed shortly after the cops made contact. But, had he ODed, his cause of death would have asphyxiation. Opiates kill you by slowing down breathing (after you pass out) to the point that you die from lack of oxygen. That's why people turn blue when they pass out from using opiates and usually with the needle still in their arm. I worked around this stuff for years.

Blogger yohee June 19, 2020 10:10 AM  

Finally, Intelligent discussion about Floyd's death. The knee ride didn't kill him, the body ride did (perhaps combined with the knee).But the body ride alone could have killed him, and no one even talks about that.

It's not even realistic to think you could get and maintain the knee ride without the body being controlled.

Positional asphyxiation can kill anyone. https://www.lawofficer.com/this-is-not-one-of-those-cases/

Blogger NP_see June 19, 2020 10:20 AM  

A dose of that strength would have put him under instantly if injected. I have witnesed it first hand with twice with heroin addicts. I called 911 and the firemen arrived in under 5 minutes. They barely survived. One even did the death rattle and the firemen couldn't believe he survived. That was just plain old heroin and at low dosage. No way he injected it.

If he ingested that amount it wouldn't take much longer. Junkies with a tolerance high enough to handle a high dose like Floyd had consumed are not built like linebackers. Not much time for food when maintaining a legit habit. Point being if he was just a chipper he would have gone under much sooner.

How long was the interval between the cops being called and their arrival at the store? The narrative doesn't make any sense.

Blogger Booch Paradise June 19, 2020 10:22 AM  

The fact that he's a porn actor would definitely correlate with the idea that there are people who thought of him as property and controlled him with drugs.

Anonymous Anonymous June 19, 2020 10:24 AM  

I first encountered fentanyl about 4 years ago when I had my appendix taken out.

If you've had acute appendicitis you'll know it is incredibly painful. I've had morphine in post-op situations previously so I also know the difference.

The fentanyl was used pre-op intravenously and I know about it only because when the nurse pushed the plunger the pain switch-off was full-body and instantaneous. I was so startled by the effect that I asked her about it. There was no slow creep up the arm like you get with morphine (and others have reported with heroin).

I have no idea how junkies take it so I cannot comment on that but playing with it is incredibly stupid. I don't see how one has 3 times the lethal does in their blood stream but is still walking around for 20 minutes after taking it, unless it was taken other than intravenously, which will produce a longer slower effect pattern.

All in all, skpeticism of official narratives is a treacherous minefield that most people learn to navigate incredibly slowly, if ever.

Blogger Rick June 19, 2020 10:37 AM  

3 times the fatal dose sounds like they wanted to be sure it “worked”. But not too much to be too obvious. I don’t think you would need a dermal patch. Didn’t some cops a while back get poisoned (non-fatal) by fliers left under their windshield wipers?

Wondering this morning if the latest video tweeted by TGE (soft censored by twitter) about deceptive editing of video (also coincidentally about race relations) was to prepare us for new video evidence of the Floyd incident.

Related, the actor known as Floyd has longer hair in one clip than the other. A logical explanation for this is that Hollywood makes mistakes like this all the time!
Look at the ROI (world wide race riots) for a such a small production budget!

Blogger tublecane June 19, 2020 10:54 AM  

They say certain people always project. Remember the Great Banghazi Video Scare that never actually happened? Where did that story come from? What even put it in the liars' minds?

Well, when they want to incite violence, that's what they do. Make a video.

Blogger Jeroth June 19, 2020 10:55 AM  

@23 Are you sure that's why he was saying "I can't breathe"? Am I really supposed to believe that two months of COVID "you can't breathe!" propaganda had nothing to do with this? Just a nice little coincidence?

Blogger Stocky Anglo June 19, 2020 10:55 AM  

An ignition event being planned? You conspiracy mongers.....how dare you.

Blogger Noah B. June 19, 2020 11:00 AM  

When the store owners called 911 they thought George Floyd was drunk. It could have easily been fentanyl intoxication instead.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 19, 2020 11:02 AM  

And you have swerved into the key question.

Worth remembering that Minneapolis has the highest concentration of intelligence community personnel outside of DC.

Blogger cecilhenry June 19, 2020 11:06 AM  

Nobody seems to have noticed the indifferent response of the paramedics on scene to the presence of an unconscious man who is possibly just died or in the process of dying.

I don't see anyone racing around, getting an iv, hooking up the cardio pads.... its just looks like they're lugging books.

Was Floyd dead on the pavement there, or was he still alive in the ambulance??


In other news, Chick-fil-A has caved to this anti-White agenda, announcing that Whites need to apologize for their 'racism'.


What the hell happened to this grounded company in just a few months??

Blogger widlast washere June 19, 2020 11:08 AM  

Fentanyl can be absorbed through the skin. If he had some on him and became exposed in the struggle with the cops that would do it. Either way "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

Blogger JamesB.BKK June 19, 2020 11:24 AM  

Note to Self: Use 1X the fatal dose. Stop wasting the inventory.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible June 19, 2020 11:25 AM  

Sounds like pirates, who were generally drunk to some degree all the time.

"Such a day; rum all out. Our company somewhat sober; a damned confusion amongst us! Rogues a plotting. Talk of separation. So I looked sharp for a prize [and] took one with a great deal of liquor aboard. So kept the company hot, damned hot, then all things went well again." Edward Teach (Blackbeard).

Blogger JamesB.BKK June 19, 2020 11:34 AM  

Ominous, you got a call for the next one? Is it Wu Flu 2 and burn Minneapolis etc. 2? Or maybe block the Mississippi for a deluge? Maybe collapse a rig in the gulf? It's a long time out til the vote. And this can't last.

Blogger Macs June 19, 2020 11:41 AM  

There are a ton of counterfeit pills going around that are pressed to look like Oxyies or Zanax but actually have a bunch of fetanyl in them. This is causing many, many ODs in the past several months. It would be easy enough for someone to munch a couple on the go not knowing that it was a high dose.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 19, 2020 11:43 AM  

Booch Paradise wrote:The fact that he's a porn actor would definitely correlate with the idea that there are people who thought of him as property and controlled him with drugs.

Males cannot use heroin/opiates and be a porn star. Women can, and often do, but not men.

NP_see wrote:Not much time for food when maintaining a legit habit. Point being if he was just a chipper he would have gone under much sooner.

Agreed. Although it is possible that he swallowed it and it began to hit him while he was on the ground. Problem is, he would have turned blue and the cops would have seen/noticed and the crowd too.
He claimed to have a hard time breathing, but opiates don't really do that to a person who is still awake. A person who has not lost consciousness will experience the effects of not breathing and take a breath. It is the unconscious person whose automatic breathing has been repressed and who will die.
I don't think fentanyl had anything to do with this.

Blogger OK June 19, 2020 11:44 AM  

Over long periods of time of heavy opioid use, the genetic expression of mu-opioid receptors in nerve cells gets down-regulated such that an opioid dose many times the lethal limit for an opioid-naive person might not even be able to get a heavy user high.

Blogger ZhukovG June 19, 2020 11:48 AM  

The 'Global Coordination of Outrage', is for me the biggest tell that George Floyd's death was planned in advance. Covid-19 + Civil Unrest + The Usual Doctored Polls = Plausible Case for the GE to lose the 2020 election.

I suspect this scenario is being used to boost Minority voter turnout. As well as provide cover for significant vote fraud.

Blogger jijijeac June 19, 2020 11:49 AM  

@VD - 13

Come to think about it you are probably right. The initial blm protests after trayvon didn't get a desired result and they needed a new wave to drive the idea in.

Blogger Bogey June 19, 2020 12:06 PM  

So we can expect the cops to be exonerated then a spark will be set to the powder keg that is the United States.

Blogger Avalanche June 19, 2020 12:14 PM  

@32 "There is a reason those specific cops responded to the crime scene. They were dirty cops."

Except two of the cops were total rookies -- one just a few DAYS into his new job; and Chauvin was their training officer...
"Mr Kueng and Mr Lane, two trainee officers, were days into the job when the incident happened."

So, what? They were dirty before they even got out of the academy?!

Blogger Bogey June 19, 2020 12:20 PM  

Help me with my measurements. A lethal dose of fentanyl is 3 Milligrams Floyd had 11 Nanograms in his system.

Blogger calebjames June 19, 2020 12:21 PM  

Counterfeit pain killers are in my area. They have killed several young people. Told they are Chinese fakes.

Blogger Avalanche June 19, 2020 12:23 PM  

@45 "Nobody seems to have noticed the indifferent response of the paramedics on scene to the presence of an unconscious man who is possibly just died or in the process of dying.
I don't see anyone racing around, getting an iv, hooking up the cardio pads.... its just looks like they're lugging books."

Lots of people have mentioned it. Lots of people also do not know that EMS arriving at OD scenes quite often inject naxolone. "Naloxone (also known as Narcan®) is a medication called an "opioid antagonist" used to counter the effects of opioid overdose, for example morphine and heroin overdose. Specifically, naloxone is used in opioid overdoses to counteract life-threatening depression of the central nervous system and respiratory system, allowing an overdose victim to breathe normally."

And, oh yeah, remember that COVID-thingie? EMS have been told in most cities / many states to NOT leap into life-saving procedures and risk themselves: EMS staff being more 'necessary' than OD druggies or heart attack 'victims.' So, usually, EMS would leap-to-it; but not during COVID.

Blogger Avalanche June 19, 2020 12:37 PM  

@49 Is it Wu Flu 2 and burn Minneapolis etc. 2? Or maybe block the Mississippi for a deluge? Maybe collapse a rig in the gulf? It's a long time out til the vote. And this can't last.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/did-we-skip.jpg

Blogger Skyler the Weird June 19, 2020 12:38 PM  

I had thought the Vegas shooter was part of a bad arms deal with ISIS but now I think it may be Antifa mayhem instead.

Blogger Newscaper312 June 19, 2020 12:54 PM  

@Bogey
My guess is the 11 has incomplete units
3 mg is a TOTAL dose delivered
11 ng/ml, nanograms PER milliliter, would be a concentration detected in the blood

Blogger Newscaper312 June 19, 2020 12:58 PM  

@OK
Supposedly that's also why so many ODs happen w addicts who fall off the wagon.
They take their usual dose from the period of their peak use, before finally getting treatment, but their recovering system can no longer handle it. So not necessarily a suicide by needle, not intentionally.

Blogger RedJack June 19, 2020 1:13 PM  

I personally know people who were drummed out of academies because they wouldn't "get the hint".

Blogger Reprehensible Adam June 19, 2020 1:14 PM  

Thanks SDL! Don’t let yourselves be so easily deceived.

Blogger papabear June 19, 2020 1:43 PM  

@10 According to the MPD policy (which was available online but taken down), it was approved.

Check out: https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

Blogger Jack Amok June 19, 2020 1:45 PM  

Except two of the cops were total rookies -- one just a few DAYS into his new job; and Chauvin was their training officer...
"Mr Kueng and Mr Lane, two trainee officers, were days into the job when the incident happened."

So, what? They were dirty before they even got out of the academy?!


Sure - why wouldn't a crime outfit want some of its recruits to join the local po-po if they've already got some senior leadership on their side? And in that case they'd make sure one of their own was the training officer.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 19, 2020 1:59 PM  

Bogey wrote:Help me with my measurements. A lethal dose of fentanyl is 3 Milligrams Floyd had 11 Nanograms in his system.

There is no cut and dry lethal dose to a person habituated to opiates. If YOU took 400mg of methadone, you would die. There are many, many people who take that much every single day. Sometimes it is all 400 at once, other times it is 200 twice a day.
There are duragesic patch users who take 100mg of fentanyl (or more) every 3 days (100ug per hour).

Avalanche wrote:Lots of people have mentioned it. Lots of people also do not know that EMS arriving at OD scenes quite often inject naxolone

There is absolutely no indication he was experiencing an opioid OD.

Newscaper312 wrote:Supposedly that's also why so many ODs happen w addicts who fall off the wagon.
This is very common. The amount that can kill you drops precipitously once you stop taking it. A 4 day stay in a jail or detox or even because the junkie has no money will take their tolerance back down (or close to it) to the average person's tolerance. Addicts released from jail OD all the time, even after a weekend stay.

I think it is much more likely that he died from a combination of things. Having Covid, being in poor health, the exertion of fighting with the cops and then being pinned to the ground with 3 adult males on his body and having speed (meth) in his system. These things together put an enormous toll on his heart and he unfortunately died.

Blogger One Deplorable DT June 19, 2020 2:03 PM  

20.6 ng/mL of fentanyl is the author's estimate of the peak serum concentration in Floyd's blood. I'm not sure if that's correct (don't care to do the math right now), but whether it is or not, it is not 3x the lethal (LD50) dose.

The author of the linked article misinterpreted his source which is why he claimed that 20.6 ng/mL of fentanyl is 3x the lethal dose. Specifically citation #2 "Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL." 'Patients who died in hospital...' is a biased group composed of people who could not tolerate those dose levels at that time for any of a number of reasons. It is not an indication of the actual LD50 in a population of adults.

From what I've read 10-20 ng/mL fentanyl is the expected range for anesthesia in a healthy person who has not built up a tolerance to the drug. The dose range that will knock out a person who does not abuse it, but shouldn't kill them. Floyd was a long time drug abuser and no doubt had built up a tolerance to fentanyl among other drugs.

That said his dose was certainly dangerous, especially mixed with the other drugs. Throw in the stress of being arrested and you have the formula for a heart attack. If I were a juror going off the information I've seen to date I would have to acquit the officers involved. George Floyd would almost certainly be alive today had there been no fentanyl in his system.

I can't dismiss Vox's suspicion entirely. This is not iron clad proof that Floyd was not given drugs in some conspiracy to shake up the western world. But the dose was not 3x the lethal dose, and it is consistent with Floyd's history of drug abuse.

For the record, I'm of the opinion that the initial incident was organic, but that Antifa/BLM were prepared to jump on any incident like it to produce the riots we've seen. Given the number of police killings each year you don't have to wait for long for a usable video if you've got the MSM and social media on your side for narrative control.

Blogger Anonymous Commenter June 19, 2020 2:33 PM  

A fact non of the MSM talking heads, on either side wish to point out. It doesn't fit the plan.

Blogger Angantyr June 19, 2020 3:52 PM  

Other Josh wrote:@8, yep. This is the theory I have run across as I've researched. Both Chauvin and Floyd worked at a nightclub, El Nuevo Rodeo, for multiple years. This club has been alleged to be involved in human trafficking and counterfeit money. There's some weird stuff involving the FBI and the owner of Omar Investments, who owns the club.

So, we have a scenario where Floyd tries to use counterfeit money without permission. He's a loose end that is a threat to the counterfeiting operation. There is a reason those specific cops responded to the crime scene. They were dirty cops. They knew they had to deal with Floyd to protect the operation, so they made sure he couldn't speak and wouldn't pass anymore fake $20's without permission. Floyd knew he was going to be executed, hence the resistance and the end result we saw. In the riots, the club is burned and all records and evidence are destroyed.

It's just a theory, but it makes more sense to me than the stupid one put forward on the news networks.


Also recently saw a publicity pic of the former owner/manager of the club, Maya Santamaria, with the Mayor of Minneapolis, (((Jacob))) Frey. Odd connections everywhere.

Blogger boogeyman June 19, 2020 4:04 PM  

Not going to count out dirty cops killing him via OD. Still, I think a few things point to that not being the case. There was a second autopsy paid for by the family, and I believe it was done by the same guy who did the second autopsy of Epstein. I don't remember him reporting there being a fresh injection site on the body.

Also, if you're a dirty cop an you're going to kill someone that way, you probably wouldn't want to do it out on the street where others can video either it or the aftermath. If he had been injected by the cops or they had forced some pills down his throat, he could have shouted about that before dying. The recording didn't show that. If you're going to off him that way, why not do it on the ride to county, where there's no witnesses?

Video also shows him dropping baggies as he was being cuffed and moved about, trying to get rid of evidence. It's entirely possible he swallowed some when the cops first pulled up. Junkies are stupid, and they are loath to part with their shit even in the face of imminent arrest. My sister, who dealt a lot of drugs of a good number of years, told me a story once of someone she bought from. Dude was in a second story apartment, and could see the cops outside getting ready to rush in. He ran into the bathroom with his shit, but instead of flushing it, he tried to hang half way out the window and throw it onto the roof, hoping he could retrieve it later on. The idiot misjudged a throw, and ended up hitting a cop on the ground in the head with a small brick of the stuff. He got an additional charge for assaulting a police officer.

Not going to rule out any conspiracy on the part of the cops. God knows conspiracies have been proven right before, and I've been proven wrong lots of times. Certainly not going to rule out the powers that be taking advantage of the death and having things set up before hand to make sure riots took place on the pretext of such a death. In fact, that seems likely. Still, if I had to bet good money, I'd say the incident is what it seems to be; a shitty cop roughing up some guy he had history with, while the perp was dying of a badly mixed speedball.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo June 19, 2020 4:24 PM  

Who gives a fuck about Floyd. It is retard level even to waste neurons on anything related to him. It is like thinking that WW1 started because of Gavrilo Princip. Even politics is unimportant now, the forces that are waking up are ancient and ugly and grumpy from being asleep for too long.

Blogger Mauldication Bear June 19, 2020 4:34 PM  

Onset of action for an intramuscular injection of Fentanyl is 7 to 8 minutes.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia June 19, 2020 5:28 PM  

Silent Draco wrote:Fentanyl can be delivered by dermal patch, with a carrier moving the drug into the body. It's a slow/steady release for safer use, but you can add any number of patches to deliver a higher or lethal dose. Floyd could have done this himself and received a final boost over the edge, or it could have been done to him without him noticing. The only way to find a "special" lethal dose patch would be to save the patch and test for its contents. A "special" patch could easily vanish into medical waste at the scene.

This is another reason why first responders are trained to put on gloves, first. A number of them became emergency cases after handling ODs who had more patches concealed under clothing, or after peeling off patches. The residual drug and carrier move that well.


Both Prince and Tom Petty died from Fentynal overdoses, and both were using the patch because of painful hip injuries.

It is an astonishingly good pain reliever, but of course highly addictive and like a lot of opiates it has a declining response curve. As a doctor friend of mine told me, its appropriate usage for pain requires both a disciplined patient AND a disciplined doctor.

The combination, alas, is rare.

Blogger plishman June 19, 2020 6:13 PM  

Does Chauvin have any kind of social media footprint? Any political history (Democrat?)

Just asking.

Blogger Akulkis June 19, 2020 6:23 PM  

>> What the hell happened to this grounded company in just a few months??

Founder gave turned over the reigns to his son a couple of years ago, then died sometime within the last year. Once dad wasn't looking over his shoulder telling him to do the smart thing, not the idiot thing, he veered hard left immediately.

Blogger Silly but True June 19, 2020 6:28 PM  

Trump declared a national health emergency against opioid abuse as one of his most significant early acts.

Trump was Floyd's biggest defender.

Blogger michimartini June 19, 2020 6:29 PM  

Chauvin wore gloves too.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 19, 2020 6:42 PM  

One Deplorable DT wrote:That said his dose was certainly dangerous, especially mixed with the other drugs. Throw in the stress of being arrested and you have the formula for a heart attack.

Opiates generally don't cause heart attacks. They are CNS depressants. The meth that was in his system is much more likely to have contributed to his heart problem.

Also, the build up of tolerance is not permanent and goes away very quickly. In my city they have basically stopped enforcing the drug law, but before that people who spent a week in jail would get out and OD. Sometimes it was people who had been using opiates for years. They get out of jail and still on the tail end of being sick go and get a bunch of drugs and a 1/2 hour later EMS is pumping them full of narcan. My city has one of the largest supplies of fentynal in the country.

Blogger LAZ June 19, 2020 8:26 PM  

Unfortunately I've had friends addicted to opiates and Floyd showed classic signs of being high when they approached him. Opiate addicts can go from passed out to violent in a heartbeat.

Blogger jarheadljh June 19, 2020 9:45 PM  

As someone who passed four different background checks over the years to work in private security, let me pose the following question - who hires a criminal to work security?

Floyd worked security for a nightclub for over a decade. Same with the cop that looked at the camera as Floyd was on the ground dying underneath his knee. Who is that brazen about murdering someone? The only person that brazen about murdering someone is an enforcer carrying out an order to kill a snitch/traitor/whatever, and that enforcer has to know that the are going to be protected. Lo and behold, the cop had been protected by Amy Klobuchar once before.

It's very likely that they are running something very illegal out of that nightclub.

Blogger Thordaddy June 20, 2020 12:29 AM  

An excitable mob mere feet away.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 20, 2020 10:16 AM  

jarheadljh wrote:Floyd worked security for a nightclub for over a decade.

This is what the press reported, but this cannot possibly be true. Floyd was a TX native and had only recently moved to the area, like after 2014 when he got out of a Texas prison. So it was no more than 6 years and probably not even that long. It is a bit insane for a nightclub owner to hire a convicted violent felon to be a bouncer. Presumably if he hurt an unruly patron the nightclub would be at serious risk of being sued.

Blogger Avalanche June 20, 2020 11:41 AM  

@68 "Lots of people have mentioned it. Lots of people also do not know that EMS arriving at OD scenes quite often inject naxolone
There is absolutely no indication he was experiencing an opioid OD.

Okay, lots of EMS arriving at medical emergency scenes where drug overdose is indicated or suspected -- e.g., storekeeper said Floyd appeared drunk, Floyd was unable to stand upright, Floyd apparently threw packs of white powder on the ground (you can see a cop pick one up and put it in his pocket) -- quite often inject naxolone.

It's the old EMS quandary; abeit, it is easier to figure this out on-scene today; this is an analogy, please go with it.

If you come across a mostly unconscious diabetic, you do not know if it's from high blood glucose (hyperglycemia) or low blood glucose (hypoglycemia). So, do you give that person some sugar/glucose in case it IS hypo? Most ambulance corps procedures said yes; because a bit more glucose was not going to substantially, if at all, harm the hyper- person on the trip to the ER, and AT the ER, he would be accurately tested, supported, and treated; and a person in hyperglycemia would not generally be further harmed by a bit more glucose. And, the usual caveat, doing first aid, out in the woods or not near an ER; no, you might not.

Most 'urban' ambulance medics deal with many ODs. Naxolone has been bruited about as a miracle, because it's saving the lives of so many druggies ODing. IF the impaired person is on opiods, it may save a life; if the druggie is NOT on opiods, it's not going to do much further harm: inject him and transport.

Blogger Avalanche June 20, 2020 11:50 AM  

@80 "Opiates generally don't cause heart attacks. They are CNS depressants. The meth that was in his system is much more likely to have contributed to his heart problem."

Too tight a focus:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7029209/george-floyd-autopsy-experts/
...
Several of Floyd's key heart arteries were severely narrowed – evidence of serious heart disease. Several were 75% blocked and one was 90% blocked, and that was made worse by where the clogs occurred in terms of crimping the supply of blood to his heart, Nelson said. Blockages of 70% or more usually cause chest pain, he added.

"That degree of narrowing is sufficient to cause death," Davis said.

Floyd also had an enlarged heart — "48% bigger than it ought to be" — likely from his high blood pressure and heart disease, Nelson said.
...

Blogger Avalanche June 20, 2020 11:53 AM  

@84 "This is what the press reported, but this cannot possibly be true"

The nightclub once-owner/apparently now just manager after some ME tycoon bought the place, said on video that Chauvin worked there 16 or 17 years. She ALSO said: Floyd worked there about a year.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 20, 2020 2:16 PM  

Avalanche wrote:If you come across a mostly unconscious diabetic, you do not know if it's from high blood glucose (hyperglycemia) or low blood glucose (hypoglycemia).
If you come across this person and know they are a diabetic, perhaps that is a good move. But when you come across someone who is not known to be a diabetic (though they might be one, but this is not known to you) and that person has just been fighting with the cops, assuming they are suffering a diabetic episode is probably not the best thing.

I'm pretty sure they use nasal Narcan now.

A person high on opiates to the point they are nearing OD is simply not fighting with the police. I don't think EMS gives Narcan shots to everyone who appears groggy or is unconscious.
When the police arrived, he was obviously not high on fentanyl. Other than surreptitiously swallowing a bag of dope, we know he didn't use any drugs between the time the cop arrived and his time of death. We also know he likely didn't use anything between the time he first tried to pass the bill and the time the cop arrived.
Oral is not an especially effective route for opiates. That is precisely the reason junkies inject it or shove it up their butts. It was likely in a plastic baggie, which is going to slow down absorption assuming he managed to swallow some bags.

Given all this, I don't think fentanyl played a major role in his death. The autopsy did not say that he died from lack of oxygen. He is not blue at any point in the video. His face looks normal.

Blogger Tars Tarkas June 20, 2020 2:18 PM  

Avalanche wrote:The nightclub once-owner/apparently now just manager after some ME tycoon bought the place, said on video that Chauvin worked there 16 or 17 years. She ALSO said: Floyd worked there about a year.

OK. That explains everything. I kept hearing that they both worked there for a long period of time.

Blogger Canadian Warlord June 20, 2020 6:36 PM  

Take this from a longtime 9/11 wrong-thinker:

Don't get lost in the weeds of the high weirdness that always surrounds these events - it is out there for two purposes:

1) Confuse investigation by laying red herrings on the trail. Almost 60 years on, look at the Kennedy Assassination community and it's deep internal divisions. 9/11 space beams, calling 9/11 space beams...

2) Make the info pursuers look crazy. Example: Anderson Cooper had his talking points about the Sandy Hook shooting oddities in pre-packaged, ready to go form. CNN knew what people were being shown, they probably were involved in casting the actors. This is to make us look nuts.

Black propaganda - talk about a double entendre!

Blogger Bandwidth Bastard June 20, 2020 6:48 PM  

If Floyd was a regular user, a dose "three times a fatal dose" probably would not have fazed him. What is remarkable was that methamphetamine was also present. Given that he had some serious cardiac issues, he was probably not 100 percent with it as well as dehydrated. Maybe low blood sugar if he hadn't eaten. HBP, heart disease...Possible this was his last day on earth, but we won't know. The part about being sat on by three cops did not help.

The conspiracy thread is more interesting though. EL Nuevo Rodeo appears in several articles. There are accusations of money laundering. Coincidence? Sure. Coincidence that both the cop and the criminal worked there? Maybe. Counterfeit 20 dollar bills? Now we are getting....ODD.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 21, 2020 1:03 AM  

JamesB.BKK wrote:Ominous, you got a call for the next one?
Not really. I don't have a pipeline to the future. Q might have a clue, and he's talking about stormy-stuff going on now. This could be the enemy's death throes.

More likely, they're casting about randomly, desperately, trying everything they can lay hands on. What straws are there for them to grasp at?

Right now, we see China playing up a resurgence of Chinkypox, maybe to support further political crackdowns, maybe to support their man Biden. That might mean our Left haven't totally given up on Chinkypox to facilitate vote fraud.

They always project, so what are they accusing us of? Violence? More dead niggers is an easy, obvious play, but even they probably see that's going to hurt more than help. Maybe another mass shooting? A mass shooting that makes dead niggers?

They always project, and they are accusing us of wanting a revolution. Maybe they will actually try an outright, violet coup?

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