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Tuesday, July 28, 2020

At least we have a good idea

How the USA is going to come to an end by 2033:
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, from the podium at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum in Yorba Linda, California, laid out in no uncertain terms what the administration wanted to do and how it planned to go about accomplishing its ambitious aims.

America, the secretary of state said, has effectively ditched five decades of “engagement” policy and is now embracing a policy now out of favor across the American policy establishment: regime change.

Formally, the State Department still “engages” China, Pompeo said, but “simply to demand fairness and reciprocity.” Gone are the days when American diplomats engaged China to support the Communist Party. Too often in the past, U.S. presidents rescued Chinese communism, three times—Nixon in 1972, Bush in 1989, and Clinton in 1999—in particular.

More importantly, Pompeo said there would be a new form of engagement. “We must also engage and empower the Chinese people—a dynamic, freedom-loving people who are completely distinct from the Chinese Communist Party,” he said. “That begins with in-person diplomacy.”
This is a spectacularly disastrous policy and it is coming straight from the neocon imperialists. (I note that on the same page as the linked article, there is featured a cover of an issue of National Interest entitled "The Case for Kissinger".) After all, "regime change" has worked so well in Southeast Asia for the last sixty years, right? It's hard to know where to even start criticizing this policy because no part of it makes any sense at all. Pompeo may have produced the single most idiotic speech related to diplomacy and war of which I've ever heard.

First, the Chinese people are no more freedom-loving than the Afghans, the Iraqis, or the Vietnamese. Their dynamism is irrelevant, and as suspect as the purported "natural conservatism" of Hispanics. Second, the Chinese government is not the business of the American people. Third, this is an acknowledgement of a new cold war, not between the United States and China as it appears on the surface, but between the Jewish and Chinese nations. Pompeo is speaking for his neocon masters and the USA, its people, and its military, are being utilized as a weapon against China.

Fourth, there is no shortage of in-person diplomacy available with the four million Han who now reside in the United States. If I had to bet on regime change, I'd bet on the larger country successfully invading the smaller one being the party to impose it.

It will be interesting to see if the President stands by these assertions about his administration or if he begins moving to jettison Pompeo as he has previously ejected other neocon puppets working for him. Because while the USA can win a trade war with China, it is likely to lose any other kind of war with it, and given the neocons' failure to force regime change on Syria and Venezuela, it is very hard to imagine they will be more successful with China.

And fifth, Pompeo said “It’s time for free nations to act.” But Americans are not a free nation.

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127 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker July 28, 2020 5:39 AM  

I'd give us marginally better odds if the speech mentioned dropping "Russia, Russia, Russia",but that's not going to happen.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo July 28, 2020 5:42 AM  

Yes, there is nothing that scares China’s insecure leadership as the United States speaking directly to the Chinese people.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Blogger crescent wrench July 28, 2020 6:00 AM  

Second, the Chinese government is not the business of the American people.

The Chinese government has been engaging in 4gw type attacks against the US and her allies in ever-intensifying manner, with the latest culmination being biological/economic attack via Covid and cyber-attack via large scale take-downs of services like cloudflare.

The nature of the attacks have been broad, and include ecological attack such as the introduction of killer species such as the "murder hornet" to the pacific northwest. Border agents have been catching Chinese nationals with all manner of "strange cargo" in their suitcases, including carrier species for disease and hostile species designed to cause damage to local flora or fauna.

I say it's very much the business of the American people that such a dangerous foe be undermined, with the understanding that the goal is to end the threat, not to attempt to rule the Chinese.

I'd love to see the proposal of someone stupid enough to think they would be able to stop the billions of Chinese from full choice of their next regime: China is not Iraq.

Blogger Scuzzaman July 28, 2020 6:03 AM  

Officially, every other nation in the world, including Togo, has been trying to regime change the USA, so this is only fair play.

Unofficially, i.e. in the real world, what Vox said.

Blogger Lushtree July 28, 2020 6:05 AM  

The only regime change I would support in China is ending the CCP in favor of a new imperial dynasty with the Mandate of Heaven.

Heck, Xi Jinping can be the new emperor.

Blogger boogeyman July 28, 2020 6:05 AM  

Another mission for when I get a time machine; go back and keep Nixon from opening up China. China may be ass ho, but it's not my problem.

Blogger Salt July 28, 2020 6:14 AM  

Pompeo must think that inside every Chinaman is a Hong Kongian waving the American flag.

Blogger crescent wrench July 28, 2020 6:32 AM  

I'd like to point out it's difficult to disentangle "trade war" from "regime change" in the case of the CCP.

The nature of their trade abuses comes from the CCP's total control over the "companies" in question. To defeat them economically is to destabilize their regime.

This is the reason they've been responding with everything from biological attack to wide-spread funding and organization of violent race-riots.

Blogger Mocheirge July 28, 2020 6:37 AM  

“It’s time for free nations to act” is clearly a racist dog whistle to Putin. This collusion cannot be permitted to continue. Impeach Bad Orange Man now!

Blogger JamesB.BKK July 28, 2020 6:39 AM  

@crescent wrench - got any citations?

Blogger yoyoyoBigD July 28, 2020 6:42 AM  

Liberalism has no place in China & Russia, their color revolutions won't work there.

If Trump were to go after the swamp(already) then the jewish globalists would have to run away(just like the oligarchs ran from Russia), they would lose their power center.

Russia, China & USA could then corner the jews & make them PAY & make them feel the world's WRATH.

Blogger Cinco July 28, 2020 6:42 AM  

They all do because those are the only people they associate with. They never have dinner with someone who once considered becoming a communist sapper to here their perspective or find out their actual numbers. DoS is so out of touch...

Blogger Slippin JImmy July 28, 2020 6:43 AM  

Having read Pompeo's speech as opposed to a NeoCon magazine's wishful interpretation of it, I'm pretty sure there's no policy of regime change.

Blogger Robert Browning July 28, 2020 6:46 AM  

The Jews are at war with the Chinese over back door access to Huawei equipment. The Jews want to spy and computer eavesdrop on the world and need access.China says no. How did bin Salman hack Jeff Bezos phone and how did bin Salman know the where and when of Kashoggi? His good friend Jewish Jared gave him help. Jared Kushner aided in the murder of Kashoggi.

Blogger ZhukovG July 28, 2020 6:58 AM  

The speech could have been entitled, 'Everything Wrong with American Foreign Policy'. Perhaps Pompeo realizes he's on the way out and was interviewing for his next job.

In the end, it would not surprise me to learn that Caesar Trump, Emperor Xi and Czar Vladimir(The Great) are working together to bring about a Multipolar, Nationalistic world order. Opposing them would, of course, be the 'Usual Suspects'. It's going to be messy.

Finally it should be remembered that a 'Conservative' Mexican, is an Aztec.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 28, 2020 7:09 AM  

What was that line from Full Metal Jacket?

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira July 28, 2020 7:11 AM  

Last week a friend of mine came by saying "We are at war with China! It's happening!" He was excited and making a case for why we should fight China, saying that the US will kick China's ass. People are retarded now.

Blogger rikjames.313 July 28, 2020 7:14 AM  

The Learned Elders of Wye are upset the new Emperor Xi Jinping rejected their offer to begin ruling over China.

Right on schedule copresident Jared has begun the push to war

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile July 28, 2020 7:23 AM  

First, the Chinese people are no more freedom-loving than the Afghans, the Iraqis, or the Vietnamese.

Pompeo's drivel is rife with leftard thinking: "Things just happen to people and it's not their fault and there's nothing the poor dears can do about it so we must save them, whether they want it or not!".

Because saving people from themselves is the easiest thing in the world, like collecting stray kittens or rescuing pit ponies. That's what TV teaches us!

Blogger kariseightytwo July 28, 2020 7:33 AM  

Vox can we get your thoughts on HCQ?

Blogger thethirdcoast July 28, 2020 7:39 AM  

Cinco is absolutely right the State Department lives in a bubble completely out of touch with reality.

It's instructive to watch their senior embassy staff tool around Third World countries in their Chevy Suburbans.

The women look like Hillary's sisters and they cackle like her too.

Blogger Pathfinderlight July 28, 2020 7:46 AM  

If you read "How Communists Negotiate" by Joy, you will understand that Chinese goals and overall strategy have not changed since the 1950's.

Blogger brbrophy July 28, 2020 7:54 AM  

The Chinese people in response to Pompeo (blank stare followed by),"...Stupid round eye."

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 28, 2020 8:09 AM  

Wat? For five decades of not pursuing regime change, there sure have been a lot of regime changes.

Blogger Thad Tuiol July 28, 2020 8:11 AM  

If the gloves come off and our military are allowed to do what they do best, free of political or faggoty MSM interference, WE WILL KICK CHINA'S ASS. Never, ever bet against the American fighting man when he's given free reign. Go ask the Japs and the krauts how that worked out for them. SEMPER FI!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 28, 2020 8:14 AM  

It's hard to keep track of who the Judean People's Revolutionary Government is at war with on any given day, a good many are on social media at this moment vowing to crush "whiteness" of course not to be confused with "white genocide", others see Cossacks down the block and the need to crush Czar Putin and his horde of vodka swillers, and now China's CCP. I need a scorecard.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 28, 2020 8:17 AM  

Always a great idea to start a war with a nation that has an excess in young men who can easily be jumped up to go pillage and conquer.
At this rate, China invading Alaska like the game Fallout might just happen.
2077 isnt that far away.

Blogger xevious2030 July 28, 2020 8:26 AM  

"'"regime change' has worked so well in Southeast Asia for the last sixty years"

Not that the new policy is good or bad, through this comment. The SE Asia policy has been a roaring success. Not good for Americans, but that was the intention of the globalists. Evidenced by giving food and medicine to the third world, and abortion/sodomy to the first world, for 150 plus years, by the scorpion and the snake. Now is the point where their success has provided for their failure. Frankenstein and his monster. Americans, high trust, lack leadership. In Rock Hudson cinema, snd Buckley politica, women were taught to swoon for and men to emulate, raging queens impersonating, badly, the masculine. A grid was smashed, and replaced with an inverted one. This false, which is about to be smashed. In spite of Pompeo, and his idiocy. 2033 smashes the inverted grid. It is the briar patch.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia July 28, 2020 8:27 AM  

VD wrote:
After all, "regime change" has worked so well in Southeast Asia for the last sixty years, right? It's hard to know where to even start criticizing this policy because no part of it makes any sense at all. Pompeo may have produced the single most idiotic speech related to diplomacy and war of which I've ever heard.

C'mon, do you really believe Pompeo BELIEVES this stuff?

It's just talk. Talk with a purpose, but just talk.

We're not going to war with China -- we don't want to -- and China isn't going to war with us -- and they don't want to either. It would not end well, and both sides know it.

Crescent Wrench above is right when he says

..."it's very much the business of the American people that such a dangerous foe be undermined, with the understanding that the goal is to end the threat, not to attempt to rule the Chinese.

...although I would say that the threat can't be ended, simply managed and countered.

The Chinese are a bad, perfidious regime whose leaders have visions a grandeur and don't care what anyone thinks about them, including Pompeo. But they understand power.

If you don't even begin to address them and confront them in the language of power they will steamroll you.

Blogger Stilicho July 28, 2020 8:35 AM  

China will continue its attacks until there are consequences. China has been encouraged to steal IP, interfere in US elections, pursue unfair trade deals and practices, etc. by every US president since Reagan. Having evidence that China is partially funding and encouraging BLM/Antifa in an attempt to destabalize the US, Trump is returning the favor (or at least having Pompeo make such an announcement). China has been engaged in a cold qwar against the US for decades. This is just notice from TGE that it will no longer be one-sided. No more blind eyes turned too Feinsteins giving away secrets in return for millions either. No more US subsidies for China.

Blogger Felix Bellator July 28, 2020 8:40 AM  

Geez, we have Communists of our own oppressing people here. Pompeo didn't need to go to China to find some people to set free. How about some regime change in Portland or any other Antifa and BLM run city or state?

Blogger urthshu July 28, 2020 8:44 AM  

Is it remotely possible this is another Trump Gambit like with North Korea where the rhetoric gets to hair raising levels and then talks resume on a more congenial basis?

Blogger John Regan July 28, 2020 8:45 AM  

Giving neocons any say whatsoever about American foreign policy is like giving a loaded revolver to a toddler. Trump should absolutely purge his administration of these morons, beginning with Pompeo.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade July 28, 2020 8:46 AM  

Today's Chinese "communism" has about as much in common with Mao's communism as the American "republic" has with what the founders established, even less so than Soviet style communism.
Thankfully, as a whole the American people are stupid and hear "communism" and think it's the iron curtain 2.0.
Double points for lulz as we have an attempted communist revolution (sponsored by the usual oligarchs) taking place on the streets here in the U.S. but apparently Pompeo hasn't noticed.

Blogger Bezzle July 28, 2020 8:55 AM  

Fauci and Wuhan Bio-Tech are joined at the hip, and the only reason that China has an economy at all is due to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (It would be less than a decade before Nixon and Kissinger were whoring it up with Mao and debasing the US currency.)

There's been other, equally bad legislation since then acting in concert to avalanche the culture down the slope, but CRA64 was the mortar shot into the cornice.

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Jack Amok (ZeroHedge, July 15, 2020 9:30 PM) wrote:

> Everyone assumes the offshoring was about wages.
> It's mostly not about wages. It's about regulations,
> taxes, costs, litigation risks and profit.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Exactly.

Labor cost differentials are known, relatively fixed over time, and so can be accounted for in planning. Changes in regulations and court assaults on a company are effectively random and can have massive, unpredictable costs that simply cannot be planned for.

You have a furniture factory in the US? Have you kept up with all the changes in EPA regulations for how you dispose of old paint and varnish? How you store it? How did the last visit from the fire marshal go? Did he tell you that you can't store your paint the way the EPA regulations told you that you had to store it? What's the OSHA guy going to say when he comes by next week? How are those worker's comp rates these days anyway? Oh, and that guy you fired last week for continually violating safety protocols, he's filing an EEOC discrimination lawsuit.

Maybe it would be easier to just sell stuff made in China...

Blogger tublecane July 28, 2020 9:04 AM  

Strange that among three alleged instances of bailing Chicoms out, unmentioned is the time that actually mattered. During and after WWII, when there was a superior fighting force capable of killing Reds. In the form of Nationalists.

Our supposedly dithering but actually underhanded policy allowed Stalin-backed Mao to prevail. Later we had the privilege of losing a major war to him.

In short, we're stupid and don't get what we want even when we get what we want.

Blogger wreckage July 28, 2020 9:04 AM  

Establish a case for disruption then walk it back to just economic disruption, is my bet. In fact Trump letting some swagger happen seems almost to reliably signal that he is positioning for a much lesser conflict. He prefers to have it known that he's got a moral case for taking much more in the next round of negotiations than he actually plans to.

Frame: what he leaves on the table is out of generosity, not timidity.

Blogger Scuzzaman July 28, 2020 9:15 AM  

Letting communism grow was policy not stupidity.

After the collapse of the Axis powers the pentagon needed a new paper tiger to justify their endless gravy train.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2020 9:24 AM  

> I'd like to point out it's difficult to disentangle "trade war" from "regime change" in the case of the CCP.

Correct. All we need to do is disengage from China completely. We don't need to take any other action. Send the Chinese here home, bring our companies back, and stop dealing with them.

The other thing we can do is support their rivals in the area with weapons and reengage with Russia.

Those probably won't actually topple the CCP, but they will greatly diminish their ability to carry out their agenda.

Blogger Carlen July 28, 2020 9:35 AM  

https://www.state.gov/communist-china-and-the-free-worlds-future/

Transcript of the speech that was linked in the story. I don't trust any media anymore to tell the full truth.

Blogger pnq87 July 28, 2020 9:45 AM  

I have warned a family member that he should not let his white children become cannon fodder for our foreign elite by joining the U.S. military. It falls on deaf ears. The military is the easy way for parents to get their children out of the house quickly.

Blogger "William Berke" July 28, 2020 9:47 AM  

"Now......now"

Executive authority does not need to build a case, it is quite apparent that is what this publication is attempting...


Blogger The Masked Menace July 28, 2020 9:48 AM  

Can Vox or any better informed person than me speculate and provide a reasonable probability that there are highly placed individuals within the Chinese government that clearly understand Vox's Third point above?

Blogger rikjames.313 July 28, 2020 9:54 AM  

tublecane wrote:Strange that among three alleged instances of bailing Chicoms out, unmentioned is the time that actually mattered. During and after WWII, when there was a superior fighting force capable of killing Reds. In the form of Nationalists.

I went through a phase where I found US/China history interesting. I started with the Marines, Boxers, army picking up the slack...

I thought Stilwell and his command staff were overplaying how corrupt the nationalist officers were, but Tuchman in her book says it was worse, as did a book by a OSS officer in China for the war.

They just stole everything. And several people from that time felt Stilwell was fired because the Dragon Lady charmed senior US leadership into it because Stilwell slightly increased the combat effectiveness of Nationalist units instead of letting the officers steal everything.

Blogger The Masked Menace July 28, 2020 9:55 AM  

Does any else find it extremely odd that the descendants of one of the most ancient and truly impressive civilizations that the world has ever known is currently run under the ideological cloak of a (((European))) (i.e. Karl Marx)?

I find that fact utterly dumfounding.

Anonymous Anonymous July 28, 2020 10:17 AM  

To echo Slippin Jimmy, I’d hesitate to rely on a single article from a single journal to shape one’s understanding of current policy. I used to have a subscription to the National Interest— it’s useful to get a network of names affiliated with their circles and writing for them and to see the trends of their dreams, ambitions, and plans, but otherwise it’s basically just empire porn that can and will reinterpret all events in the universe to fit their monomania. Some of them are quite sharp, though, and it’s useful to learn how they think. But there is no dispute that they won’t interpret as justification for an aggressive policy of liberating expansion (that enriches their military-industrial contracts naturally). While some of their neocon leadership genuinely do have the twinkle of manifest destiny in their eyes and dreams of glorious empire, a lot of the “neocons” aren’t really neocons as much as they’re more self-serving servants to the Bureaucracy Cthulhu monster created in part by neocons. Neocons wish their singular genius could have invented such a perfect monster but they only helped fatten it up and organize the rituals of worship and sacrifice. Cthulhu Bureaucracy Monster will not be appeased — it demands blood and must be pacified with endless convoluted contracts and subcontracts, preferably in an obscure desert area. Someone’s gotta keep the GS-14s of the world fat and happy in their townhouses in Reston, Virginia. The gods have spoken!

Blogger Stilicho July 28, 2020 10:21 AM  

It was a covenient means for the new madarins to take control.

Blogger Stilicho July 28, 2020 10:22 AM  

Exactly

Blogger Fozzy Bear July 28, 2020 10:24 AM  

I’ve been saying for nearly six months that historians will debate when the Sino-American war began, but the date they settle on will be before today. When tallying the battles, don’t forget the HK riots and three gorges dam from our side, or the ships burning in San Diego harbor from their side.

Blogger tuberman July 28, 2020 10:36 AM  

I've heard the major attack on the CCP will be a giant hologram of Pooh Bear bitch slapping Xi over and over again. This will be infiltrated everywhere.

In the final frame Xi will morph into an exact replica of the Devil Mouse's version of Pooh, in supplication, and give a deep bow to the other Pooh Bear, who resembles more the original illustration.

Blogger Sheila4g July 28, 2020 10:41 AM  

I have a different suggestion - how about the 4 million Han in the United States, and however many more millions are in Australia, Canada, England, and Europe, return to China and rejoin their countrymen? Since they're all so absolutely brilliant and hardworking, there's no reason to believe they won't bring some magic dirt with them when they return home.

In the real world, I really don't give a damn about China or the Chinese. Yes, most of them here are committing industrial or scientific or intellectual or other espionage. It's what they do - steal and copy. They are more than welcome to their own government and culture in their own country, which is where they all belong. Until we address that point, the rest is just distraction and noise - like Pompeo and his masters.

Blogger Scuzzaman July 28, 2020 10:52 AM  

Sorry tublecane, I just realised you did say it was policy.

Blogger tuberman July 28, 2020 10:53 AM  

30. Stilicho

Yes, you have a point, so I thought I'd give you some minor support before the attacks.

Until recently, almost all the Deep State members thought they were in bed with the CCP, and many still are in that cushy bed. It's the money, "Follow the money," as a big supply for the Demons comes direct from China. This has been going on for a long time. The fact that the Chinese have been playing the (((Tribe))) all along is amusing, but... I'll just leave it there for now.

Blogger tuberman July 28, 2020 11:09 AM  

29. KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia

It's amazing, as I agree with much of what you have to say here.

As the following is excellent:

"C'mon, do you really believe Pompeo BELIEVES this stuff?

It's just talk. Talk with a purpose, but just talk.

We're not going to war with China -- we don't want to -- and China isn't going to war with us -- and they don't want to either. It would not end well, and both sides know it."

Also much truth to:

"If you don't even begin to address them and confront them in the language of power they will steamroll you."

But Vox is correct about the Chinese masses, and it's not really the CCP who controls the aggression of China, as it comes from the people.

Blogger Jeroth July 28, 2020 11:10 AM  

I suspect there are some members of Trump's cabinet who are assigned to him. ZOG is real, and Trump isn't completely above it. I recall how Pompeo was absolutely staring daggers at Trump during his UN speech. Like Gorsuch's handshake, I think these little body language clues can tell us more than almost any other publicly available information.

Blogger Akulkis July 28, 2020 11:29 AM  

>> I find that fact utterly dumfounding.

Marxisn and traditional Chinese authoritarianism go hand in hand.

Blogger Bezzle July 28, 2020 11:31 AM  

Two or three years ago, before YouTube took the hose to all the good content, there used to be "crash video" channels. Most of us have heard of hilarious vodka-fueled Russian dash-cam footage, but the really horrific stuff was always out of China.

Two steps outside of the gleaming "1st Tier" cities, China is barely out of the stone age, and trucks are whizzing by shacks whose occupants had no evolutionary experience with objects moving faster than a goat until a decade ago. These people are rock-stupid literal peasants, dumber in many cases than Africans. Servility and obeisance that would be intolerable anathema to a Westerner has been bred into them by five thousands years of subjugation under tyrants.

- When you see lists of nations by IQ, discount communist dictatorships, especially any with a recent history of bloody massacres of dissidents and intellectuals.

Blogger Crew July 28, 2020 11:35 AM  

"Fellow Chinamen, you must be punished for failing to accept such quintessentially Chinese people as (((us))) as your overlords!"

Blogger RadixMalorum July 28, 2020 11:48 AM  

Felix Bellator wrote:Geez, we have Communists of our own oppressing people here. Pompeo didn't need to go to China to find some people to set free. How about some regime change in Portland or any other Antifa and BLM run city or state?

China's regime isn't even communist. It's an ultra capitalist society ruled by a committee of elites wearing communist skin suits. The last of the real communists were purged from leadership when Deng took over.

Blogger Akulkis July 28, 2020 11:58 AM  

Publius man... Use your paragraphs.

Blogger SirHamster July 28, 2020 11:59 AM  

The Masked Menace wrote:Can Vox or any better informed person than me speculate and provide a reasonable probability that there are highly placed individuals within the Chinese government that clearly understand Vox's Third point above?

Vox pointed out an article about how Chinese intellectuals see the US as controlled by Jews.

This is the first link I could find for that article.

Note that it was a Jewish article about Chinese perception of Jews and the US.

Blogger xevious2030 July 28, 2020 12:00 PM  

“we're stupid”
SSH. What are most Americans? What is it when one of that most, is deluded to the point of thinking they should be on the top? What happens when an imposter group gains manipulative position over the actual natural top, and artificially brings in the deluded to a higher position among high trusts? This is not stupidity, it is the nature, manipulated by the capable. Can be liked, disliked, situationally beneficial or detrimental, but it simply is the nature, hacked. An alternative is to find the characteristics that can be manipulated to invert the inversion, flipping it back to rights. Or to destroy the influence of the inversion, without supplanting it with a new source of inversion.

“We're not going to war with China”
Certainly not, they still have more work to do. But they did play their role in the virus, and that is an input to a variable of an equation of consequence.


The Masked Menace. Those topics (43, 45) have been addressed multiple times elsewhere in the blog, and the answers may be found there. Given the semantics of your questions, that is a place to start.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 28, 2020 12:01 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:I have a different suggestion - how about the 4 million Han in the United States, and however many more millions are in Australia, Canada, England, and Europe, return to China and rejoin their countrymen? Since they're all so absolutely brilliant and hardworking, there's no reason to believe they won't bring some magic dirt with them when they return home.


Why go back when we can just colonize and take your lands instead? That would be like retreating during a siege after our troops have already broken in. Migration is invasion after all.

Frankly the western whites are so cucked and degenerate I don't foresee any problems with us taking some segments of land after the collapse in the US.

Whites will just continue to dwindle South Africa style into extinction in the US. The main problem will be the Latinos since they're pretty aggressive and breed at high rates.

I think the only people that are capable of taking the torch of civilization after the fall of western civilization are the Chinese and to some extent Eastern European whites. You should be supporting China in this endeavor. Your civilization is already past the point of no return anyway.

Blogger yoyoyoBigD July 28, 2020 12:03 PM  

45. The Masked Menace, current chinese do not give one single fuck about Marx, a cultural revolution happened in China after Mao died, they've even ridiculed his communist wife.
China is an ethno nationalistic state, similar to fascists.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 28, 2020 12:07 PM  

crescent wrench wrote:. Border agents have been catching Chinese nationals with all manner of "strange cargo" in their suitcases, including carrier species for disease and hostile species designed to cause damage to local flora or fauna.
Yes, every Chinaman and Chinawoman brings that stuff over here. It's lunch.
Thad Tuiol wrote:Never, ever bet against the American fighting man when he's given free reign. Go ask the Japs and the krauts how that worked out for them.
Never bet against American factories. Our soldiers and sailors did their parts, but our factories won the war.
What a pity we shipped all our American factories to China.
pnq87 wrote:The military is the easy way for parents to get their children out of the house quickly.
Why would anyone want to send his children away? That's a satanic desire. Psalm 127:3-5.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2020 12:14 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Why would anyone want to send his children away? That's a satanic desire.
Someone who obviously has never had a sullen, intentionally useless, resentful teenager sitting around the house causing trouble.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 28, 2020 12:34 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Someone who obviously has never had a sullen, intentionally useless, resentful teenager sitting around the house causing trouble.
Sending them off to public school will do that. Sending them off to public school is an early way to partially satisfy of that satanic desire.

I do have one who is sullen and unhappy at home, but it's my fault; we raised her ourselves. We do our best, and we pray, but God doesn't have grandchildren and not every child follows Him.

My middle child married a man whose father - I know him to be a Godly man - subscribes to the kick'em out at 18 philosophy. The young husband is a Godly man too, but I think that he's marred by his father's philosophy.

They're all still young, and God can straighten them out.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2020 12:44 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Sending them off to public school will do that. Sending them off to public school is an early way to partially satisfy of that satanic desire.
We were homeschooling back when it was a criminal act.
Some kids grow up into mature responsible adults. Some grow into people who need an uncaring reality to beat them into shape. Wanting to get a physically adult man out of your house so he can mature into a fully adult human is not "Satanic" you virtue-signalling wanker.

Blogger Bezzle July 28, 2020 1:12 PM  

67. Ominous Cowherd
My middle child married a man whose father - I know him to be a Godly man - subscribes to the kick'em out at 18 philosophy.

That philosophy (which previously served well to eliminate the slacker mentality during times of full employment), when combined with nationalized K-12 Frankfort-school mind-imprisonment, resulted in the unholy abomination that is the Millennial generation. They were taught exactly nothing by their parents and the government, then kicked out of the house into the waiting arms of the bankstas to be plied with a lifetime of debt for a worthless college degree.

Of course they'll gravitate to Bernie, who promises to zero their debt. Why wouldn't they? That they've been hopelessly screwed is the one and only lesson learned.

Communists aren't born, they're made.

Blogger xevious2030 July 28, 2020 2:10 PM  

“Why go back when we can just colonize and take your lands instead?”
“Latinos since they're pretty aggressive and breed at high rates”
“the only people that are capable of taking the torch of civilization after the fall of western civilization”

Take those three concepts. If Whites are overrun, it will not be by Chinese, but through interbreeding with Latinos (of the Aztec variety), not being killed off. It is an infusion of the higher IQ set with the rip your heart out and throw your corpse down the temple steps voracity. In that situation, you won’t be staying. Would you prefer to deal with whites in their natural state, or the new bronze?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 28, 2020 2:19 PM  

Snidely, our children and the other family's children were all home schooled, as was I. Alaska has always enabled home schooling.

Of course children need to learn to make it on their own; soon enough we won't be here to help them. This is a matter of degree. Driving them off with a stick is no way to teach independence. The kick'em out at 18 method increases atomization and weakens family bonds.

In the rural area where I live, we see families that are teaching independence without alienating their children. There are several farms that have three or four generations, living in separate houses on the farm. There are many non-farm extended families that maintain close ties, get together most weekends, share heavy equipment, help one another to clear land and build houses and go hunting or dip-netting together. You don't make a strong extended family by setting his suitcase on the porch on his 18th birthday.

Children are a blessing from the Lord. Teach them to be independent adults, but don't drive them away as the first step.

Blogger tuberman July 28, 2020 2:30 PM  

After giving this issue much thought, I've altered my position to say that Pompeo is going to far with this crap, and he may be intending more than just minor saber rattling. The (((Neoclown))) side does tend to assert war, and I don't want that. So, it would be good to see him removed.

Blogger tublecane July 28, 2020 2:52 PM  

@44- Stilwell was popular and performed feats of courage, but he had zero political know-how and less understanding of Chinese culture. He was also a strategic blunderer, though I don't hold him personally responsible for the loss of Burma. Wedemeyer was better.

It was more the State Department and press that overplayed the corruption of the Chiang Kai-Shek regime. After all, it's not like we were virgins as regards lying down with foreign corruption. And there was simply no comparing Nationalists to Communists as regards corruption. (The worst of the Mao regime one might classify as Beyond Corruption, but at the same time it was also corrupt in the mundane sense.)

The success of the Foggy Bottom/Fourth Estate propaganda offensive against Chiang can be seen in the very fact that we're discussing it like this. We know the Communists weren't fighting the Japanese in earnest, but rather were waiting to cut Nationalist throats After the war. We know their leadership was controlled by Moscow. Heck, Chiang was also partly under Moscow's thumb, because they had his son.

After the Great Leap forward, the Korean War, and the Cultural Revolution, this point becomes rather moot.

Blogger FrankNorman July 28, 2020 2:59 PM  

There's a clear difference between trying to get the Chinese, (or any other nation) to abide by accepted norms in terms of international trade, respect for borders, etc on the one hand - and trying to tell them how to run their own country on the other.

It's a distinction that seems to be lost on some people.

Blogger tublecane July 28, 2020 3:02 PM  

@69- Communism is only one response to having been screwed over. One could turn reactionary, as have I.

Ah, but you mention Frankfurt School Mind-Prison. There's the rub. Kids aren't taught *nothing*. They're taught nothing useful. Meaning useful themselves as potentially productive members of a functional society.

They have been taught something, however. And this something makes them useful to sinister forces. That something softens up their heads enough to absorb the pink sludge.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 28, 2020 3:55 PM  

Some kids grow up into mature responsible adults. Some grow into people who need an uncaring reality to beat them into shape.

And the unpopular truth is that people mostly are what they are. A considerable amount is set at birth, and most of the rest is determined by peers, leaving little influence for the parents beyond keeping them away from bad peers. Life is a long fight against the negative aspects of the nature you were born with--or giving in to them, as the case may be.

Our ancestors understood this; it's where the term "bad seed" comes from. It was probably a harder truth to avoid when people had big families and there was a better chance of getting a mix of good and bad ones. But one of the pretty lies of modern society is that the perfect environment, including parenting, will gurantee good people. It just isn't so.

That's not to say you shouldn't homeschool, but that goes back to the point about keeping your kids away from bad influences. If you expect that homeschooling will make sure none of your kids goes bad, you're liable to be disappointed. Sometimes the homeschooled kid runs off at 18 and shacks up with a chick, to the shock and horror of his parents. Then most people claim the parents were too strict and made him rebel, while fellow homeschoolers secretly think they didn't do it right. It's probably just who he is, and there was little they could do.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 28, 2020 4:31 PM  

Are you really huffing the farts of the US ZOG military?
Stop that. It's embarrassing.

Blogger eclecticme July 28, 2020 5:13 PM  

@35. Zero the EBTsJuly 28, 2020 8:55 AM
...
Jack Amok (ZeroHedge, July 15, 2020 9:30 PM) wrote:

> Everyone assumes the offshoring was about wages.
> It's mostly not about wages. It's about regulations,
> taxes, costs, litigation risks and profit.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Exactly.


Steve Jobs used his only meeting with Obama to tell him Apple built their new glass plants in China rather than the US because of govt caused delays and added costs. NOT labor savings.

Blogger eclecticme July 28, 2020 5:28 PM  

@44. rikjames.313July 28, 2020 9:54 AM
tublecane wrote:
Strange that among three alleged instances of bailing Chicoms out, unmentioned is the time that actually mattered. During and after WWII, when there was a superior fighting force capable of killing Reds. In the form of Nationalists.


I went through a phase where I found US/China history interesting. I started with the Marines, Boxers, army picking up the slack...

I thought Stilwell and his command staff were overplaying how corrupt the nationalist officers were, but Tuchman in her book says it was worse, as did a book by a OSS officer in China for the war.


Interesting. I did not know that.
I read Blacklisted by History. The author detailed how communist infiltration of the state dept/OSS allowed them to control what was communicated back to the US govt about the nationalist forces compared to Mao's. Something similar happened in Yugoslavia.

My understanding of modern China was informed by the book The Party (McGreggor) which is a little dated now with respect to censorship. Also 100s of anecdotes by the ADVChina guys. In their videos in the background you see hundreds of happy energetic Chinese families. They don't seem to be candidates for regime change, especially not one brought about by barbarians. When the Chinese get angry enough they take over police stations and factories so the CCP tries to not make them too angry.

Blogger eclecticme July 28, 2020 5:41 PM  

@59. RadixMalorumJuly 28, 2020 11:48 AM
...
China's regime isn't even communist. It's an ultra capitalist society ruled by a committee of elites wearing communist skin suits. The last of the real communists were purged from leadership when Deng took over.


IMO the Chinese have a form of democracy without universal suffrage. Only 10% of people get to vote, the CCP members. You join, work hard, kiss butt, work your way up for decades in positions of increasing responsibility. These include positions control of cities and large agricultural provinces. It helps to be related to someone high up in the party. I think it is like the Elks Club where they control the army and they act as the shadow govt for the whole country.

If you don't screw things up you may make it to the standing committee.

Also, I read that students at some universities formed Marxist Leninist study groups. The CCP shut them down.

Blogger Jose Miguel July 28, 2020 6:56 PM  

@63 RadixMalorum & @70 xevious2030

To build on this hybrid Latin-Anglo race theory, I know three half Chinese half Tejano men, and they look like Mongolians who want your skulls and your still-beating hearts. They are three very tough brothers who reproduce like Latinos with East Asian IQ and look like they'd be at home with the Hu. My best Chinese friend said he's been tempted to find a Latina if his sons would be like that. Their descendants would probably regularly plunder any Chinese colony established in North America!

@71 Ominous Cowherd

In the rural area where I live, we see families that are teaching independence without alienating their children. There are several farms that have three or four generations, living in separate houses on the farm.

You've described the dream I've had since I've been 17.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 28, 2020 7:03 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:
Take those three concepts. If Whites are overrun, it will not be by Chinese, but through interbreeding with Latinos (of the Aztec variety), not being killed off. It is an infusion of the higher IQ set with the rip your heart out and throw your corpse down the temple steps voracity. In that situation, you won’t be staying. Would you prefer to deal with whites in their natural state, or the new bronze?


1. Aztec with infusion of higher IQ set already exists, they're called Mexicans. Any higher infusion would just make it a slightly watered down white and those have the same problems of cuckery and lower birth rates normal whites do.

2.We Chinese have been dealing with savages for thousands of years. Do you think we're nice guys like you whites? Instead of ripping their heart out in some stupid ritual we'll rip it out and sell it for a profit. Look at Xinjiang and Tibet for what we'll do to barbarian populations. That's when there's threat of western intervention. Once western civilization falls there will be a bloody reckoning against our enemies the world has never seen before.

3. My personal preferences for who I'd rather deal with is irrelevant. I'll end up having to deal with the bronze savage since the white is going to cuck itself to extinction.

Blogger Centurion Revolt July 28, 2020 7:34 PM  

We get it Vox. You love you some China. You never pass up an opportunity to talk China up and the US down. I will take even this America before those psychopaths in Beijing.

Asshole.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 28, 2020 8:08 PM  

eclecticme wrote:@59. RadixMalorumJuly 28, 2020 11:48 AM

...

China's regime isn't even communist. It's an ultra capitalist society ruled by a committee of elites wearing communist skin suits. The last of the real communists were purged from leadership when Deng took over.


IMO the Chinese have a form of democracy without universal suffrage. Only 10% of people get to vote, the CCP members. You join, work hard, kiss butt, work your way up for decades in positions of increasing responsibility. These include positions control of cities and large agricultural provinces. It helps to be related to someone high up in the party. I think it is like the Elks Club where they control the army and they act as the shadow govt for the whole country.

If you don't screw things up you may make it to the standing committee.

Also, I read that students at some universities formed Marxist Leninist study groups. The CCP shut them down.


Pretty sure you can't vote even if you're in the CCP. It's more like if you prove yourself capable and loyal you'll be given increasing responsibility and if you prove yourself especially capable eventually you'll either be undermined by your rivals and destroyed or you'll make it to the standing committee.

Xi definitely isn't someone to be underestimated. He's probably under constant threat of destruction by his rivals on that committee like the Jiang Zemin faction.

Western enemies could probably exploit that internal division if they wanted to undermine China without open conflict.

Blogger nswhorse July 28, 2020 8:44 PM  

How do people not notice the sudden change in rhetoric from China is a great capitalist success story to China is an evil communist regime that must be resisted? The number of people who should see straight through this but don't staggers me.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 28, 2020 9:47 PM  

nswhorse wrote:How do people not notice the sudden change in rhetoric from China is a great capitalist success story to China is an evil communist regime that must be resisted? The number of people who should see straight through this but don't staggers me.

Yeah. I've been following the "classical liberal" and "centrist" (ie cuckservatives and gatekeepers) side of Youtubers like Sargon, Quartering, and Tim Pool and they have recently shifted to the "China bad" talking point.

It's fascinating these people have now awakened to China's influence on Hollywood but absolutely refuse to acknowledge a certain other tribe that are small hat inclined who dominated it for the last several decades and still do today.

Blogger eclecticme July 28, 2020 10:43 PM  

@84. RadixMalorum

You are likely more correct than I. I had assumed that CCP members could vote for low level positions but you are likely right. Any such selection is from above. Someone wrote that the CCP was very efficient in keeping abreast of current mass sentiment and funneling it into the CCP.

I'll bet the CCP is laughing hard at the US inability to control some petulant rioters.

Years ago when I checked the standing committee had one member educated in economics and the rest engineers. Xi was educated as a Chem Eng. That is why they do not fall for the green energy crap.

IMO how the Chinese handle internal matters is none of our business and certainly not a cause for military intervention. The Chinese are handling the religion of peace in their own way.

At what point does forced organ harvesting become so offensive that the US puts up massive tariff barriers/whatever? It is an ill formed question for sure.

Blogger Oswald July 28, 2020 11:30 PM  

I predict it is China that will fail by 2033. At their foundation, they still rest on super cheap labor. Technology by 2033, will have totally eliminated the need for such mass scale cheap labor, and then all those cheap laborers become a liability, because they will still need to be fed and cared for. So I see that as one scenario. (Europe will benefit from technology and smaller populations to take care of. They likely will dominate the future.)

Another one is I could see China being attacked by North Korea. Sometimes a dog turns on its master.

Between nuclear powers though, regime change is really the only way to achieve victory. So what if we have not had great success with it. It worked against the Soviet Union and there was no bigger game to be had at the time. That counts for something. If you doubt we regime changed the Soviets, then why does Gorbachev live in America? I say because he was a US spy that we manage to get all the way to top. Maybe we have a few of these in China as well just waiting to be the next leader of China. That would be my third way, China could fail by 2033.

Blogger xevious2030 July 28, 2020 11:34 PM  

"Aztec with infusion of higher IQ set already exists, they're called Mexicans"

Mexicans are a genetic subset. And that's why you won't be staying.

Blogger Reph July 29, 2020 12:15 AM  

It's very interesting that our foreign policy matches what Thucydides described in the History of the Peloponnesian War. Both Athens and Sparta sponsored and encouraged regime change in their surrounding nations.

Globalisation has changed the reach of these policies, but not the underlying principles.

Blogger Akulkis July 29, 2020 1:16 AM  

>> We get it Vox. You love you some China. You never pass up an opportunity to talk China up and the US down. I will take even this America before those psychopaths in Beijing.


He's sounding a warning.

Blogger Akulkis July 29, 2020 1:46 AM  

>> How do people not notice the sudden change in rhetoric from China is a great capitalist success story to China is an evil communist regime that must be resisted? The number of people who should see straight through this but don't staggers me.

The people who were making money off of the first lie stopped with the daily avalanche of lies praising China.

Blogger Brian Dean July 29, 2020 2:40 AM  

I live in China and I can tell you, the US wouldn't even "win" a trade war. When I go to the supermarket (note, I live in a third tier city) I see all kinds of products from Germany, Austria, Australia, Russia, Japan, and so forth. Unless the US wants to be stupid and try to force other countries from trading with China too, any "trade war" is going to be pretty useless.

Blogger JamesB.BKK July 29, 2020 3:04 AM  

I memba watching the Beijing olympics opening back-along as it was being promoted by corrupted western media and some kid ran out to pick up some rubbish or something and the announcer says, "Oh look. A volunteer is doing ... [x]." And I was like, a volunteer? In China? Good one." That was around the time NYT people such as Friedman were touting the efficiencies of forced relocations to build stuff while bemoaning the lax rules and enforcement of the US EPA even as Obama's crew were getting ready to do sock puppet litigation to allow all kinds of horrible controls to be imposed and seemingly blessed by fellas in black robes.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 3:50 AM  

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Blogger Akulkis July 29, 2020 4:06 AM  

>> It's fascinating these people have now awakened to China's influence on Hollywood but absolutely refuse to acknowledge a certain other tribe that are small hat inclined who dominated it for the last several decades and still do today.

(((Who))) is the CEO of Youtube?

Blogger SciVo July 29, 2020 4:35 AM  

Oswald wrote:That would be my third way, China could fail by 2033.

So? It doesn't matter. This isn't XOR. Both can fail.

And you neglected to mention the most likely vector of ChiCom failure, which is peasant revolts.

Their fascist factories are eating the environmental seed corn -- reducing remediation capacity by overwhelming it -- and a village can only endure so many miscarriages and birth defects before going ballistic.

Which has nothing to say about our own vectors of failure.

Blogger SciVo July 29, 2020 4:50 AM  

Brian Dean wrote:I live in China and I can tell you, the US wouldn't even "win" a trade war. When I go to the supermarket (note, I live in a third tier city) I see all kinds of products from Germany, Austria, Australia, Russia, Japan, and so forth. Unless the US wants to be stupid and try to force other countries from trading with China too, any "trade war" is going to be pretty useless.

Who sells more to whom? In other words, who would lose if all trade stopped?

Blogger Bezzle July 29, 2020 5:09 AM  

@88. Oswald July 28, 2020 11:30 PM
I predict it is China that will fail by 2033. At their foundation, they still rest on super cheap labor. Technology by 2033, will have totally eliminated the need for such mass scale cheap labor, and then all those cheap laborers become a liability, because they will still need to be fed and cared for.

-- Will they?

No, no they won't.

Mao let sixty million starve.

China is legendary for its famines.

When the time comes, the peasants will sell each other their children, because it's too heart-breaking to eat your own.

====

Never judge the health of a tyranny by the yardstick of your own ethical standards.

Blogger xevious2030 July 29, 2020 7:56 AM  

“That logic doesn’t follow.”

By your writing style, your grasp for logic is recognizable. Mexicans are derivatives of Aztecs and Spaniards, as the larger contributors. With genetics though, it is proportionality, combinations, and recombination. With dominant and recessive. Being derivative, in that sense, provides the variety of traits available, not their proportionality. In this, the original combinations are less than the whole of the new availability, a subset of the whole. As the variety is expanded, the derivative sets become subsets. Mexicans are not the full extent of the proportionality of eventual combination. It isn’t that logic that did not follow.

Blogger sd July 29, 2020 8:54 AM  

@14. Robert Browning

And it's ironic to see then they was behind the rise of Mao. http://archive.vn/nY2ln. http://archive.vn/Sp9yK

Blogger Oswald July 29, 2020 10:05 AM  

SciVo: a peasant revolt that is one I had not considered, and so that to could happen. Yes America and China could both fail. That is a good point.

Zero the EBTs: I was looking through the lens of the west, always a mistake, when looking at the East.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:32 AM  

xevious2030 wrote:“That logic doesn’t follow.”

By your writing style, your grasp for logic is recognizable. Mexicans are derivatives of Aztecs and Spaniards, as the larger contributors. With genetics though, it is proportionality, combinations, and recombination. With dominant and recessive. Being derivative, in that sense, provides the variety of traits available, not their proportionality. In this, the original combinations are less than the whole of the new availability, a subset of the whole. As the variety is expanded, the derivative sets become subsets. Mexicans are not the full extent of the proportionality of eventual combination. It isn’t that logic that did not follow.



That's just "Diversity is our strength" with other words. Total nonsense.



Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:41 AM  

Oswald wrote:SciVo: a peasant revolt that is one I had not considered, and so that to could happen. Yes America and China could both fail. That is a good point.

Zero the EBTs: I was looking through the lens of the west, always a mistake, when looking at the East.



The difference is when China fails it remains Chinese and eventually returns with a new Chinese government just as it has in the past with the changing of dynasties. When the US fails it fractures and is never whole again because it's a multicultural society.

Blogger Sweet, Sweet Victory July 29, 2020 11:44 AM  

RadixMalorum wrote:The difference is when China fails it remains Chinese

No, no it won't, not when (not 'if') Japan, S/N Korea, Thailand, Hong-Kong, Russia and even Ukraine are involved.

Blogger tuberman July 29, 2020 12:26 PM  

93. Brian Dean

You've got things reversed, as Chinese manufacturing is dependent on others buying, and secondly, on foreign countries being located in China, and under their thumb. Example: Beyond USA pulling companies out of China, Japan is pulling 86 companies out too.

China's missing the solid middle class that can buy enough Chinese goods, as this is years away.

Another thing, Chinese military manufacturing of stolen tech, is completely inferior, they do a terrible job of their military theft copies. Their cutting edge military planes, radar, and etc. is all purchased -- most from Russia. Their own stuff is not as advertised (J-20 5Gen stealth planes that can be picked up on ordinary radar). It's just corruption, not lack of intelligence.

BTW, a peasant revolt is always what Chinese leaders fear, and right now the peasants are more nationalist and aggressive than the CCP, which will push the CCP toward the dragon stance.

Xi can't be like Trump, and he has to shut down all criticism that causes any loss of face. He made it impossible to put out any images of Pooh Bear anywhere in China. Why? Humorous anyhow. This is a severe weakness, as he's caught in a trap, that he needs to nearly always act strong, and what did Sun Tzu say about that?

Blogger tuberman July 29, 2020 1:14 PM  

105. Sweet, Sweet Victory

Radix is correct on this one, as demographics is the issue. I do see Japan as the regional power in a few years, but even if a big change in leadership in China, China will remain Chinese (even if there is a long starvation period).

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 1:54 PM  

Sweet, Sweet Victory wrote:RadixMalorum wrote:The difference is when China fails it remains Chinese

No, no it won't, not when (not 'if') Japan, S/N Korea, Thailand, Hong-Kong, Russia and even Ukraine are involved.


1. HK is a Chinese city with Han Chinese population.

2. Defeating a nation isn't the same as destroying it. To truly destroy it you have to destroy the people. This is something you apparently don't understand.

The Chinese nation won't be destroyed until its peoples are gone. You can defeat the current government but a new dynasty will arise so long as the Han exists.

This is why western liberalism is so insidious because the consequences of it is the destruction of the peoples that live under it.

As Vox Day himself said liberalism is even worse than full on communism for the nations inflicted by it because as bad as North Korea is it remains Korean.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 2:09 PM  

tuberman wrote:105. Sweet, Sweet Victory

Radix is correct on this one, as demographics is the issue. I do see Japan as the regional power in a few years, but even if a big change in leadership in China, China will remain Chinese (even if there is a long starvation period).


I have great respect for the Japanese unlike most of my mainland brethren. They turned what is essentially the Cuba of Asia into a global powerhouse and handed us our asses in a lot of battles. Their society is also very orderly and worthy of emulation.

The only problem IMO is their dysfunctional reproductive rates. I think that's partly to do with the liberalism forced upon them after WW2.

I think a strong rival in Japan is a good thing for China in the long run because it would keep us on our toes. Becoming complacent from too much stability and power can be a bad thing as the western world has demonstrated. "Good times breed weak men" as the saying goes.

Blogger xevious2030 July 29, 2020 2:27 PM  

“Any higher infusion would just make it a slightly watered down white”
“they're called Mexicans”
“That's just "Diversity is our strength" with other words.”

Diversity is our strength is total nonsense. What I said, is not that in other words. Nor was that the context in which what I said was applied. It was to the breadth of your category. Nor did I indicate that a mixing of the Americans and the Mexicans would maintain an “our,” but that the combination of the varieties of traits had a likelihood (more than an outlier) of posing problems for invading Chinese.

Blogger SciVo July 29, 2020 2:51 PM  

Oswald wrote:Zero the EBTs: I was looking through the lens of the west, always a mistake, when looking at the East.

"The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide." Chinese civilization is literally an order of magnitude older than American (thousands of years versus hundreds). And while experts and insiders can argue over the details, the preface to "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" resonates with their history, so we can at least take it as a signpost pointing in the general direction of a significant truth.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 3:33 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:“Any higher infusion would just make it a slightly watered down white”

“they're called Mexicans”

“That's just "Diversity is our strength" with other words.”

Diversity is our strength is total nonsense. What I said, is not that in other words. Nor was that the context in which what I said was applied. It was to the breadth of your category. Nor did I indicate that a mixing of the Americans and the Mexicans would maintain an “our,” but that the combination of the varieties of traits had a likelihood (more than an outlier) of posing problems for invading Chinese.


Your argument still narrows down to "diversity is our strength" despite your poor attempts to obfuscate.

Fantasizing about some magical ad mixture "combination of the varieties of traits" is just a repeat of the same logic globalists used to justify multiculturalism and will lead to the same multicultural collapse.

Despite your rhetoric obfuscations I hope you realize you're not fooling anyone.


Blogger Sweet, Sweet Victory July 29, 2020 4:09 PM  

RadixMalorum wrote:2. Defeating a nation isn't the same as destroying it. To truly destroy it you have to destroy the people. This is something you apparently don't understand.

The Chinese nation won't be destroyed until its peoples are gone. You can defeat the current government but a new dynasty will arise so long as the Han exists.


A nation can be fractured, a nation can be balkanized, the people of a nation can found themselves out of part of their nations or their whole nation, it has happened before, it can and will happen again.

What all those previous powers I mentioned, including India, which I forgot, owe to China that, when their country fails they would not scoop up to scavenge and pick up all any pieces they can get?

What makes you think that China, or any country for that matter, has any friends in the global game that would hie to their rescue, instead of just trying to get a piece of the pie themselves?

Also, with 1.6 children per couple for the last 20 years and with the trend not reversing, after the policy got reneged for 4 years, China is not fit to rule, much less conquer USA, not when muzzies had 3-4 children per couple.

But hey, if you really wish to conquer us and try to juggle two empires, one across the Ocean as well, be our guests, I am sure you will appreciate the extra trillions of debt and the thinning of your own country you will experience doing so.

Blogger xevious2030 July 29, 2020 4:35 PM  

I don’t try to fool people, but can be wrong. Thank you for clarifying things. After reading your last, and checking against mine, I had unfortunately taken the position of “it can be argued.”

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 4:41 PM  

Sweet, Sweet Victory wrote:RadixMalorum wrote:2. Defeating a nation isn't the same as destroying it. To truly destroy it you have to destroy the people. This is something you apparently don't understand.

The Chinese nation won't be destroyed until its peoples are gone. You can defeat the current government but a new dynasty will arise so long as the Han exists.


A nation can be fractured, a nation can be balkanized, the people of a nation can found themselves out of part of their nations or their whole nation, it has happened before, it can and will happen again.

What all those previous powers I mentioned, including India, which I forgot, owe to China that, when their country fails they would not scoop up to scavenge and pick up all any pieces they can get?

What makes you think that China, or any country for that matter, has any friends in the global game that would hie to their rescue, instead of just trying to get a piece of the pie themselves?

Also, with 1.6 children per couple for the last 20 years and with the trend not reversing, after the policy got reneged for 4 years, China is not fit to rule, much less conquer USA, not when muzzies had 3-4 children per couple.

But hey, if you really wish to conquer us and try to juggle two empires, one across the Ocean as well, be our guests, I am sure you will appreciate the extra trillions of debt and the thinning of your own country you will experience doing so.


I hope you realize the world isn't like a video game where you can just conquer territory and have it be yours magically. The real world isn't a Risk Board Game.

If you think China is after world conquest in some military occupation sense then you're totally delusional.

China isn't going to be occupying anywhere because empire is what gets your civilization destroyed in the long run. It's trying to become the Hegemon. There's a difference.

The reason China is able to reform time and time again even after various collapses and occupations is because it has always been demographically dominated overwhelmingly by the Han nation.

Blogger Bezzle July 29, 2020 8:40 PM  

@78. eclecticme July 28, 2020 5:13 PM
Steve Jobs used his only meeting with Obama to tell him Apple built their new glass plants in China rather than the US because of govt caused delays and added costs. NOT labor savings.

It does sound like the perfect sort a pleasantly vapid excuse (it even has the virtue of being true!) tailored for public consumption. But I wonder what else was said at that meeting that we're not privy to.

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@80. eclecticme July 28, 2020 5:41 PM
IMO the Chinese have a form of democracy without universal suffrage. Only 10% of people get to vote, the CCP members. You join, work hard, kiss butt, work your way up for decades in positions of increasing responsibility. These include positions control of cities and large agricultural provinces. It helps to be related to someone high up in the party. I think it is like the Elks Club where they control the army and they act as the shadow govt for the whole country.

- It's the old Mandarin system.

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@93. Brian Dean July 29, 2020 2:40 AM
I live in China and I can tell you, the US wouldn't even "win" a trade war.

- The only people who "win" trade wars are the handlers of politicians accruing greater power. In their Keynesian economic sine-wave, they front-run bull-markets with QE, and front-run collapses with trade-wars and interest-rate hikes. And, since we peons are getting wise to these antics, they now hint both at the same time so we don't know which one is the real plan and which one is bluster.

When I go to the supermarket (note, I live in a third tier city) I see all kinds of products from Germany, Austria, Australia, Russia, Japan, and so forth. Unless the US wants to be stupid and try to force other countries from trading with China too, any "trade war" is going to be pretty useless.

- An astonishing percentage of Western brand products on Chinese shelves are counterfeits, especially anything reasonably priced.

Blogger Bezzle July 29, 2020 8:45 PM  

@104. RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:41 AM
The difference is when China fails it remains Chinese and eventually returns with a new Chinese government just as it has in the past with the changing of dynasties. When the US fails it fractures and is never whole again because it's a multicultural society.

China is, and always has been, "diverse". It's glued together by brute force, and flies apart without periodic bloodbaths. It only seems homogenous to our Western eyes because [insert erroneous "They all look the same!" joke].

Most of the nations around China were once wholly or in part under the control of one or more dynasties, and all of its neighbors are acutely aware of current ChiCom ambitions.

(Before committing itself to a costly and likely impossible amphibious assault on Taiwan, China has more recent embarrassments nearby that don't require a naval armada.

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@106. tuberman July 29, 2020 12:26 PM
BTW, a peasant revolt is always what Chinese leaders fear, and right now the peasants are more nationalist and aggressive than the CCP, which will push the CCP toward the dragon stance.

- And their behavior in Hong Kong is amounting to a Pyrrhic victory in terms of lost international prestige, and they did not have to do this.

Xi can't be like Trump, and he has to shut down all criticism that causes any loss of face. He made it impossible to put out any images of Pooh Bear anywhere in China. Why? Humorous anyhow. This is a severe weakness, as he's caught in a trap, that he needs to nearly always act strong, and what did Sun Tzu say about that?

- Exactly. None of this was necessary.

In the West, the deep state rules through a facade of stupid, incompetent, blundering politicians, each easily replaceable when the electorate tires of their feigned imbecilities. The ChiComs are a century behind adopting this latest technique in the fine art of predatory governance, and are hence easily manipulated.

Blogger tuberman July 29, 2020 9:38 PM  

BTW, there is a power struggle going on right now in China with the butt-kissers of the old 'retired' Jiang Zemin on the other side against Xi, and they are worse than Xi.

Some of this is speculation, informed only by listening to 8Chan notables for couple years, but:

*The Jiang side is behind a huge amount of the corruption in China that weakens China's manufacturing and military. There would be corruption anyway, but this group is much heavier into blackmail and bribes than usual. They operate more like a mob than Xi's people, and sometimes even put hits out on others within their circle. Xi's desire to purge corruption meant Jiang's people.

* Also the Jiang people are behind the political prisoners being cut up for their organs, sold on the world market. To get ahead in power group, you had to be part of this, so blackmail info on all of 'their own.' This organ stealing is not business as usual for most Chinese.

I don't know if the Jiang people were behind the release of CV-19, but it hurt Xi, and Xi wasn't in control of Wuhan when it happened. These Jiang people strike me as sharing ghoulish traits similar to the Satanist West.

Just speculation.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:11 PM  

Zero the EBTs wrote:@104. RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:41 AM

The difference is when China fails it remains Chinese and eventually returns with a new Chinese government just as it has in the past with the changing of dynasties. When the US fails it fractures and is never whole again because it's a multicultural society.

China is, and always has been, "diverse". It's glued together by brute force, and flies apart without periodic bloodbaths. It only seems homogenous to our Western eyes because [insert erroneous "They all look the same!" joke].

Most of the nations around China were once wholly or in part under the control of one or more dynasties, and all of its neighbors are acutely aware of current ChiCom ambitions.

(Before committing itself to a costly and likely impossible amphibious assault on Taiwan, China has more recent embarrassments nearby that don't require a naval armada.

- And their behavior in Hong Kong is amounting to a Pyrrhic victory in terms of lost international prestige, and they did not have to do this.


With that absurd standard for diversity no nation outside of maybe isolated heterogeneous city states could claim to be not diverse. Every nation is going to have some minor populations of foreigners living within it. The point is there's a soft threshold by which a nation becomes "diverse" and China is no where near that point. It's overwhelmingly controlled by the Han ethnicity.

Bloodshed and conflict is part of human nature. You'd have a hard time finding any civilization in history not glued together by periodic bloodshed. Recall even the US had the civil war, and the various imperialistic wars of expansion with Mexico, Spain, Britain, and France. Even Japan, an isolated ethnicity throughout its history had massive amounts of internal conflict.

In fact in this way China is far more stable since it repeatedly manages to reform after the bloodshed rather than balkanize or perish completely like its western counterparts throughout its history. (eg Roma,HRE, Commonwealth, Alexandrian Empire, British Empire, Spanish Empire, Napoleonic Empire, etc.)

The key difference is as Vox Day himself has pointed out. China's more like a nation state and NOT an Empire, at least not at the moment.

This is why even if the CCP falls a new government that arises in China will still ultimately be Chinese. A nation is the people. It's not magic dirt.

Blogger Bezzle July 30, 2020 2:37 AM  

@119. RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:11 PM
China is far more stable since it repeatedly manages to reform after the bloodshed...

- The same applies to any regime prior to its moment of collapse.

...rather than balkanize

- Vietnam, deliverer of the embarrassing defeat linked in my last post, is just such a "Balkanized" break-away (the Tang lost it).

China's more like a nation state and NOT an Empire, at least not at the moment.

- Notwithstanding the assertions of (usually) Leftists, the United States isn't an "empire" either, save by a very loose, ahistorical definition. A world network of bases secured by defensive treaties after a world war does not constitute an empire when said bases are not being used to subjugate and collect taxes from natives while salting the conquered lands with imported settlers.

Spain, Portugal, and England had empires. The US had a celluloid empire (albeit increasingly SJW), until Covid. China is attempting to buy an empire in Africa, which will work until it doesn't, which is soon. Unlike wide-appealing Japanese anime, there is little external market for stilted, CCP-vetted Chinese entertainment.

China had been getting away with converting Uyghurs into organs and hair, but Hong Kong has an international spotlight on it. With its skeletons pouring out of the closet, the CCP will find it increasingly diffult to be simultaneously brutal and present a civil face worthy of most-favored status trading partner, for the US or anyone else. China will have to move to one side or the other, and the loss of the "Mandate of the Heavens" is a looming specter.

I hear tell that the rebar is rusting internally at Three Gorges....

Blogger RadixMalorum July 30, 2020 9:48 AM  

Zero the EBTs wrote:@119. RadixMalorum July 29, 2020 10:11 PM

China is far more stable since it repeatedly manages to reform after the bloodshed...

- The same applies to any regime prior to its moment of collapse.


You completely ignored the point of my thread and chose to respond to a single sentence out of context.

I never said China's regime won't ever collapse. In fact implicit in my statement that China reforms repeatedly is that the current regime will collapse eventually.

The point is it doesn't matter if the regime collapses because China will be still be ruled by the Chinese nation.This is why China keeps reforming while western counterparts permanently balkanized or perished throughout history.

Empire is one tribe of people ruling over others. Multiculturalism is empire. China is more a nation state than an empire since demographically it's overwhelmingly Han.

Blogger tuberman July 30, 2020 10:28 AM  

@ Zero

"China had been getting away with converting Uyghurs into organs and hair..."

Yes, but this was more the Falun Gong, then the Uyghurs. I am sure many of them went that way too. One and a half million Falun Gong were supposedly turned into body parts. Also, this was Jiang Zemin's group who did this. I'm sure Xi and all of China will be held responsible though, as Xi is now 'Chairman of Everything,' except he is not and never has been in total control.

"Notwithstanding the assertions of (usually) Leftists, the United States isn't an "empire" either, save by a very loose, ahistorical definition. A world network of bases secured by defensive treaties after a world war does not constitute an empire when said bases are not being used to subjugate and collect taxes from natives while salting the conquered lands with imported settlers."

The above in a strong argument, but people are going to suggest that the Monroe Doctrine, and keeping the South from breaking away during the Civil War made it an empire. What would you say to that? Not an attack, I'm interested.

Blogger Macs July 30, 2020 2:26 PM  

No way the Jews want Cold War with China, they are riling up their golem.

Blogger Unknown July 30, 2020 10:01 PM  

Oh I see; Germany in 1933, then America by 2033. The Chinese will stand down.

Blogger RadixMalorum July 31, 2020 10:52 AM  

Macs wrote:No way the Jews want Cold War with China, they are riling up their golem.

Their plan was to finish stripmining the US and jump to China. China has rejected their plan and now they seek to punish China in some way.

I see Trump as representing a faction of Jewish influenced elites that want to bring the US back from the brink so it can still be a host to the diaspora for a while longer while Trump's enemies represent the neoliberal world order that's still operating under the old diasporan globalist paradigm.

Both sides are Jewish influenced/controlled, just different factions of Jewish influence. Trump is the better choice but he represents a safety valve releasing pressure to delay the collapse, not a solution.

Blogger xevious2030 July 31, 2020 12:58 PM  

“Their […] solution.”

Pretty much. Although they Einstein-ed it, like they do everything else. And they underestimated their tool, overestimated their intellect, as they have for aeons. China was smart to shut the door as much as they have.

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 01, 2020 6:02 AM  

Chinese very good for copy. I've found the quality wanting. It is a cultural practice for a vendor to relentlessly degrade quality until the customer complains. First spec perfect. After that watch out for falling concrete. This observation excludes many among the Fujian diaspora.

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