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Wednesday, July 29, 2020

Mailvox: the importance of family privacy

A reader belatedly decides that I was right to keep my family out of the public eye:
Just wanted to share with you what I've learned about keeping things private and especially keeping your children out of the social media world and all of that. One of the first times I saw you was on Jesse Lee Peterson, and when Jesse asked you about your kids I soured on you. He merely asked how many you had or how old they were, absolutely casual and normal questioning, but you went a bit quiet and hesitant and replied that you didn't like to talk about your kids. I thought it was a bit rude and it sliced through the fun and camaraderie you two (and us in the audience) were enjoying.

I didn't think anything ill of you for something that simple, but it seemed a strange quirk or issue, I wasn't sure. But I read more of your blog, and have watched nearly every Darkstream since, and thought your rule about banning or ignoring the questions about yourself or your family were a bit overboard. Not because I didn't know how much you're hated by the SJW demons and how badly they would love to get any info on you they could to hurt you, that is obvious and I respect that justification for privacy. But the cloak around your family was extreme, again just insofar as even relaying an anecdote or being able to share memories about them as part of the dialogue, since a decent chunk of the community talks about the family and marriage cornerstones.

Well, here I am realizing how right you were, because my brother posted a picture on his FB of him holding a can of Goya from his truck's cargo. He was smiling and posted it saying thank you to the President for appreciating the company and about how simple things like what Goya produces are taken for granted. A message of decency and gratitude, and the insanity that follows I still can't believe. This vile woman went trawling through his FB, found pics of his kids with their school either captioned or mentioned, and contacted the fucking school to tell them their dad was dangerous, that he was a racist, blah blah. This nonsense took a few days to sort out as my brother had to return from his job, and he let the school have it for even entertaining this bullshit, and got them to apologize to him. It's not a typical cancel culture ending, thank God, but the fact that he had to go through this shit in the first place!

Now I think about this, about my brother who is barely even political but just said thanks to the President for supporting a large company. That's freaking it, nothing else on his FB, only pics of their family, dogs, etc.! So I thought back to you, about how you had reacted to Jesse, and how I misjudged you and didn't FULLY appreciate what these monsters would like to do to you. I not only respect you shutting all inquiries about your family down, I admire it.
Fair enough. Now, I will readily admit that there is only so much you can do, what with public records and curious fans and naive friends and family members who don't understand how there could possibly be any harm in posting innocent pictures where no one is doing anything even remotely objectionable. And eventually, your children are going to grow up and live their own lives.

But there is no reason to make it easy for the stalkers and trolls and would-be harassers to chronicle your life, and the harder you make it for them, the more likely it is that they will cross a criminal line that will give the police, or at least the social media police, a reason to crack down hard on them. And, more importantly, living a public life online should be the child's choice, not the parent's.

It's too bad, because what parent isn't proud of their children and eager to share their achievements and accomplishments. But the world has changed, we now live in a no-quarter culture that refuses to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, and it is vital to understand that even as we embrace the conflict.

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46 Comments:

Blogger Barbarossa July 29, 2020 3:11 PM  

If they're willing to sacrifice their own children in the womb, why would anyone think they aren't wholly ready to slaughter someone else's kids for any reason whatsoever?

Blogger Daniel July 29, 2020 3:14 PM  

...the real reason defunders want to defund is so they can get away with it.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 29, 2020 3:21 PM  

This person's brother's first mistake was being on Facebook in the first place. It's nothing but a cesspool of enemy surveillance and with the ever evolving and changing narrative of the Left, everything you say or share is potentially dangerous.

Stay off the mainstream Tech company social sites and only share little information on the larger alternative social sites. Be cautious even on Social Galactic because you never know when there will be Gamma-sleeper cells waiting to pounce on someone.

Blogger Autarky Bear July 29, 2020 3:24 PM  

This was something that as a young person I never understood. My parents forbid me from sharing anything online until I was 18 and basically on my own. I enjoyed being in that world for a bit, but after 3 years I just deleted everything I had as it ultimately led to unproductive bickering and the chance for people to judge me before even meeting me. Social media can be an effective tool for the promotion of good, but in the end it is still apart of the Beast system.

Blogger Sheila4g July 29, 2020 3:35 PM  

Like any normal parent, I am involved - to one degree or another - in the lives of my kids. But I have never ever understood this impulse people have to document every occasion exhaustively and then share it with the world. I wish I had a few more photos from special occasions when they were younger, but we were all busy living those moments, not photographing them. And even if I had the photographs, why in the world would I share them on a profile hosted and moderated by people who hate me, and with laughable security to boot? If I want to tell someone well done, or criticize another, I do it directly. I don't need to signal to anyone via photos or social media.

I'd like to have sympathy for the brother of your correspondent, but I really can't - it wasn't merely "thanking the president," it was the type of virtue-signaling the Trucons do, the inverse of the leftists' cancel culture. I try to use or withold my dollars in accordance with my principles as much as I am able (given that almost every company is utterly pozzed), but I am still going to do it directly with that company - not a letter or photo posted for all the world to see.

Blogger Warunicorn July 29, 2020 3:37 PM  

I wholeheartedly agree on family privacy.

Anyone remember when Peter Fonda tweeted (and I do quote in its original all caps): "WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PEDOPHILES AND SEE IF MOTHER WILL WILL STAND UP AGAINST THE GIANT ASSH*LE SHE IS MARRIED TO."

He said he was sorry, though. /rolleyes

Blogger Meanoldbasterd July 29, 2020 3:48 PM  

^ this X 10,000.
Shout it from the rooftops
I used to create target packages in training for an army reserve unit who's mission it was to backup the shooters downrange... Most Americans would be trivially easy to target and kill due to social media presence.

Blogger Stilicho July 29, 2020 4:23 PM  

Isn't Peter Fonda dead now?

Blogger Joe Smith July 29, 2020 4:24 PM  

Obviously Vox is correct, but what's with the first half of this guy's email? He had all these feelings because Vox didn't want to talk about his kids publicly? What?

Blogger PJW Gent July 29, 2020 4:28 PM  

Warunicorn: Yes, but last year he got to meet his true lord and I believe he now knows being caged up with pedophiles would be a picnic compared to what he is experiencing now. So sad, too bad.

Blogger Unknownsailor July 29, 2020 4:29 PM  

The man in the email is kinda lucky, in a way. He learned first hand how vindictive our opponents are via observing it 2nd hand. That father is lucky they just tried to mess with the child's school, they could have gone to Child Protective Services and really messed with his life.

Meanoldbasterd wrote:^ this X 10,000.

Shout it from the rooftops

I used to create target packages in training for an army reserve unit who's mission it was to backup the shooters downrange... Most Americans would be trivially easy to target and kill due to social media presence.


For this we should be thankful, because when the current cold war type conflict goes hot, the vital people the left will need to run their democide systems are easy to find.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 29, 2020 4:33 PM  

My desire to be an antisocial hermit, outside of close friends and family, has been vindicated.

Blogger Noah B. July 29, 2020 4:33 PM  

Next time some SJW cries about children suffering, remember that they don't give a damn about your kids and would gladly see them dead.

Blogger Joe July 29, 2020 5:18 PM  

Things need to happen to discourage such outrageous SJWism. Their boldness stems from expecting no accountability or push-back.

Blogger Avalanche July 29, 2020 5:48 PM  

I had t... I chose to raise absolute HELL with a friend who would take her GORGEOUS-but-she-looked-18 *13*-yr-old daughter on beach vacations and post pix every day of this lovely sweet little girl looking like a model in skimpy bathing suits! Discounting (but I didn't) that photos usually carry EXIF data (longitude and latitude) of where and when they're taken; AND she was posting the pix on FakeBook WHILE on vacation -- that immediately followed earlier pix of the family at her HOUSE (including ITS long/lat)... sheesh!
Her husband couldn't go on these vacations, so he was at home (at night) 'guarding' the house. Finally got her to realize it was crazy...

Blogger Reader July 29, 2020 6:04 PM  

He said he was sorry, though. /rolleyes

I wager Peter Fonda is very seriously sorry now. He is dead. Best thing he ever did.

Blogger Tanjil Bren July 29, 2020 6:04 PM  

More and more people are beginning to wake up to the insanity and rampant evil we are now confronting.
As for never, ever discussing family (and children in particular)...this is an absolute no-brainer.
Evil will *always* hit you where you are most vulnerable.

Oh, and just by the way, get the hell off Facebook!

Blogger Edjamacator July 29, 2020 6:22 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:But I have never ever understood this impulse people have to document every occasion exhaustively and then share it with the world.

Attention hogs. I haven't had to deal with this as I am not a social person, so don't have any FB accounts or anything and wouldn't post pics of my family online at all. The rest of my family that I actually see are all older and couldn't transfer pictures from a digital camera to a computer, and even if they could, also don't have FB or any other kinds of accounts.
The only time we had to worry about this at all was when a church member liked to take pics of group activities of the kids and post them online. After we found out about it, she had left for another church, but we were going to not have our kid included in pictures had she stayed.
So yes, never had a problem with Vox's view on this. I don't even show pictures of my kids to people in real life, unless I really know them, let alone put them on some public forum.

Blogger Sargent.matrim July 29, 2020 6:26 PM  

I agree with this rule 100%. We have always been sparing about sharing pictures of our kids online. We've done it very rarely. And gotten stricter over the last few years.

We've trained our family to support us in this with group events as well.

Kids deserve to choose their own online presence once they are adults.

There are real demons out there who are just looking to cause trouble.

Blogger Owen July 29, 2020 6:31 PM  

Well said.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam July 29, 2020 6:43 PM  

SDL is cool! I respect and value your blog and Darkstream’s. I enjoy the mailvox blogs the most. Thanks man!

Blogger marsouin July 29, 2020 6:47 PM  

The psychotic was a female. Every. Damn. Time. Likely no husband or children. The female ID unshackled.

Blogger qwsae10 July 29, 2020 7:11 PM  

Yeah, Vox dressed me down for suggesting that facebook seemed innocuous for family photo sharing. I've come around since. BTW the bears and owens lawsuit is everywhere. Even normyville.
Sid

Blogger Ingot9455 July 29, 2020 7:29 PM  

People have long memories. Anything you say online lasts longer than that.
Any funny story you give out can be used against you by someone who chooses to remember.

Blogger Angela July 29, 2020 7:49 PM  

That's the heart of it.

Blogger Angela July 29, 2020 7:54 PM  

As much as I love seeing Sweetloaf I worry about Wranglerstar's exposure for these reasons. I've been praying for all the folks with Unauthorized for a while now.

Blogger John Rockwell July 29, 2020 10:07 PM  

Indeed I see no reason to allow anyone you love to dox themselves in any way whatsoever.

Blogger Canada78Bear July 29, 2020 10:22 PM  

I've never found Vox's policy on discussing family particularly odd. I found it to be very well informed about human nature and the nature of the Internet.

Unfortunately for the young people, it was a more civilized Internet during the dialup era when there was an IQ barrier to getting online.

Blogger eclecticme July 29, 2020 10:26 PM  

While surfing the web I came across Spacebunny maybe on FB.
All I saw were viscous ridge back dogs. Weird huh?

Blogger JD Curtis July 29, 2020 10:26 PM  

I've recently had these types of unhinged bigots scroll through (literally) freakin' YEARS worth of posts to weigh in on discussion threads from many years ago.
I couldn't believe they would take so much time to troll through my account. I've since clamped down my settings but man, these unhinged freaks are out there and it seems to be getting steadily worse.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo July 29, 2020 11:36 PM  

He merely asked how many you had or how old they were, absolutely casual and normal questioning, but you went a bit quiet and hesitant and replied that you didn't like to talk about your kids. I thought it was a bit rude and it sliced through the fun and camaraderie you two (and us in the audience) were enjoying.

There's a not insignificant subset of people who have a strange entitlement to know personal and family details of strangers.

since a decent chunk of the community talks about the family and marriage cornerstones.

Neither Vox nor any of the commenters are under any obligation to say anything about themselves, their families, or their personal affairs. I don't have to tell anyone anything unless it's my wife, my employer, or the police, and even then there will be limitations.

I've never found Vox's policy on discussing family particularly odd.

If one continues to ask Vox about his family despite his clear and uncontroversial refusal to speak about them, the problem does not lie with Vox.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 29, 2020 11:45 PM  

That's not totally fair. People who wanted social media like FB to be places they could share pics and comments with their distant friends and family did nothing wrong by naively assuming that it was ok to do so, when social media was brand new.
That said, if you haven't figured it out in the last decade, then IDK what to tell you. I'd love to share stuff about my kids and grandkids online. I just know better.

Blogger Geir Balderson July 29, 2020 11:49 PM  

Never been on Facebook and never will. I thought it evil the first time a relative kept barraging me with 'friend' requests. And then i received requests from people i did not know in my emails. I told the relative to delete any info about my family. I still get a request ever few months, which i block.

No one should know that much about you ever.

Blogger Shimshon July 30, 2020 1:25 AM  

It's always gratifying when people come around to seeing things from your perspective on their own, especially on something you've explained more than a few times over the years. But my goodness, that is a serious wall of text that could have been better expressed in 1/4 the length.

Blogger cyrus83 July 30, 2020 2:09 AM  

This is why I've stopped using social media to say anything about my personal life - I don't want an audience of the world for that, at most I would want only friends and family to ever see that material. There are a whole lot of kids who are going to grow up pissed over what their parents rather thoughtlessly put on the web for all to see.

Blogger bobby July 30, 2020 2:19 AM  

These kinds of posts need to include the name of the obnoxious woman who contacted the school.

Blogger Tanjil Bren July 30, 2020 3:18 AM  

@26 I was concerned when Zammi first appeared and for the very same reason.
The people who do these things are possessed.
I'm convinced of it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 30, 2020 8:47 AM  

People who wanted social media like FB to be places they could share pics and comments with their distant friends and family

Yeah, to some extent it's just people doing what they always did, but with new technology that kind of short-circuits normal caution.

When your kid graduated from high school 30 years ago, you took some pictures and marked how many extra copies you wanted when you sent the film in to be developed. Then you gave the extra copies to his grandparents and godparents, maybe a couple other close friends, sending them through the mail if necessary. They put it in a frame or a photo album, and that was the end of it.

So social media comes along, as well as digital cameras and smart phones, and suddenly you can do that for free with a couple clicks. And the easiest way to do it is to share with everyone, instead of just a select few. And even if you limit it to your "friends," that might be 200 people you barely have a connection with.

Social media tricks people into feeling like the people they interact with on it are real friends. They're all liking each other's stuff and giving each other hugs, so why wouldn't they share photos? They would share physical photos if they were all in the same room. They don't think through the differences, like the fact that showing someone a photo in real life doesn't give him a copy.

Blogger Linda Fox July 30, 2020 9:08 AM  

I stopped using FB a while back, as it had become quite contentious (even with family and friends). I went back briefly, this year, when the C-death kept me home - it was a way to keep in contact with family and friends who I could not see at that time.

After reading this, I deactivated it again - unlikely I'll go back, but may (briefly) download the history for my own purposes.

I have a life to live. I don't need the distraction.

Blogger Akulkis July 30, 2020 9:32 AM  

>> These kinds of posts need to include the name of the obnoxious woman who contacted the school.


The name of the SJW harpy is being protected, obviously.

Blogger Darren July 30, 2020 10:50 AM  

Having your face and name "in Facebook" is not a choice.
I am not on Facebook and never had an account.
But my son has been active in his church youth group for 9 years and at least once had tagged me by name in photos of our family. (And even deleting now would do nothing, because as we know The Internet Never Forgets.)

That's just a hint of how this evil game is played by the evil players -- not by fair rules that us sane moral people would prefer to play.

Blogger Darren July 30, 2020 10:55 AM  

They refused to discuss and debate.
They refused to negotiate.
They refused to leave alone those with opposing voices, to lice *and let live*.
They refused to separate peacefully.
They -- wittingly or not -- brought upon themselves the only alternative remaining.
4th Generation Warfare isn't just limited to the Middle East, fools.

Blogger Darren July 30, 2020 11:02 AM  

Ms. Anon E Mous, 666 Concern Troll Way.

Blogger Karen took the Kids July 30, 2020 3:03 PM  

No need for these degenerates to have any idea what the next generation of their enemies look like.

Blogger RobertT July 30, 2020 5:51 PM  

I achieved some notoriety years ago and at first it was kind of cool, but you can't serve on every committee. Eventually it became stifling, so I took my practice to the cloud and dropped out. It was a good idea for me, but not everyone can survive economically. But everyone's moment in the sun is brief, so why fight it?

Blogger American Nationalist July 30, 2020 6:00 PM  

Never forget the time that a white woman simply posed for a picture with her four white children, and she got called a Nazi on twitter, with people saying "this is what Hitler wanted."

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