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Wednesday, July 08, 2020

St. Efan banned from Twitter

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you make it clear that you are not a hard out:
Stefan Molyneux has had his Twitter account suspended, just a week after he was banned from YouTube. His removal from the platform comes amid a growing debate over free speech on social media.

The ban came without warning, Molyneux claimed during a livestream in which he discussed the development. “It’s nice to see that Twitter is talking to tech journalists before they would talk to me,” he said. The popular right-wing pundit and intellectual suggested that he was removed from the platform after promoting a new essay that outlines his values and beliefs. “It’s not hard to understand why powerful people might not want you to read what I wrote below,” reads a note at the top of the essay, in which he announced his removal from Twitter.

Molyneux argued that the campaign to deplatform conservative voices has started to “energize” conservatives and that his ban demonstrates “who has the power and who doesn’t have the power.”

Twitter appears to dispute the notion that he was removed for ideological reasons. In a statement provided to CNN, the company said that Molyneux “was suspended for spam and platform manipulation, specifically operating fake accounts.”

Liberal journalists applauded Molyneux’s ban. Jared Holt, a reporter for Right Wing Watch, said the move was “overdue” and expressed curiosity about what finally motivated Twitter to pull the plug on his account.
As someone who was banned from Twitter long ago, and who voluntarily left Facebook, I don't see any significant harm here. And it's good for people to see even moderates are too extreme for the SJW-converged corporations. But it also underlines the fact that building one's own platforms is the only way to proceed, as everyone who has tried to pass as innocuous has been banned anyway.

Mike Cernovich's comment was both apt and amusing:

The Venn diagram of people who just signed that Against Cancel Culture letter and those who will mention Stefan Molyneux being banned will be two wholly non-intersecting circles.

63 comments:

  1. hmm not surprising. i notice this is a tactic that big tech firms use in order to make it look like they are not coordinating with each other. a couple of them ban you at a certain time and the rest ban you a bit later to make the bannings look unrelated and to not make it look like they are colluding with each other. Same happened to Milo. He first got banned from twitter and youtube then, months later from Facebook. They always allow you to stay on one last platform a bit longer before completely banning you.

    Oh well it is what it is. Also although I do understand Molyneaux's need to mention that "conservative voices" are being banned due to the fact that he sort of has to integrate in the "conservative movement" due to political protection and financial reasons I think he, along with others should drop the appeal to conservatives altogether. This is because Molyneaux wasn't banned for being a conservative. Heck the dude wasn't a conservative and he wasn't trying to conserve anything. He was banned mainly for his gender realistic, race realistic and prowhite views which are mostly hallmarks of the altright not of the conservative movement. Molyneaux wasn't a conservative as much as he was an alt righter. The sooner the alt right dissociates itself from the conservative movement completely the better. The alt right has as much in common with the conservative movement as it does with the liberal or left wing movement.

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  2. It is at the point where I strongly suspect any purported conservative or right wing figure remaining on Twitter to be an approved gatekeeper for the globohomo left.

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  3. Why are people still on Twitter. They get banned, feign surprise and cry about illusory free speech that they're 'entitled to'. There are no mistakes or misunderstandings. These people hate you and yet you continue to engage with them. Retarded.

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  4. I feel like I ought to be sympathetic towards Stefan, but he had been warned this was coming for years.

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    1. It is good to protest the banning even if it only serves to delineate the lines drawn to those out there that are still sleepy.

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    2. It is good to protest the banning even if it only serves to delineate the lines drawn to those out there that are still sleepy.

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  5. Well, St. Efan isn't "legitimate" speech, so the anti-cancel culture types will claim.

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  6. No one should be demoralized by these actions. You should be energized. When a team on the field changes the rules midgame it's because they're losing badly and they're very desperate.

    They're on defense boys and we're on the advance on all fronts.

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    1. This is a good point, and what I like to hear. No more despair, only truth and joy.

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  7. Cancel culture is bigotry by another name.

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  8. Building your own platform can keep you financially viable, but it also puts you in a ghetto away from new eyes.
    OTOH, Twitter is where you preach to the converted. The loss of YouTube is a far bigger loss for someone like Stefan who is trying to reach new people to convert to his NAP philosophy.
    But I'm glad he finally ditched the peaceful parenting bit. The idea of peacefully parenting your way to prosperity is just another dumb blank-slate proposition that we can environmentally eliminate bad traits from people. Beating your children can make them worse, but not beating them won't make them better.

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  9. Hard to sympathize with people who don't defend themselves.

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  10. Imagine how excited the conservatives were when mainstream liberals were going to sign a document against cancel culture and then how deflated they were when said document was a career killer for their liberal heroes?

    Imagine living your whole life with this super high IQ, wonderful education, and then get scolded to eternity by literal morons and sitting there taking it so you can make a salient point that matters not a whit to the morons and your liberal buddies do nothing but dog pile you for some made up transgression. That's suckage.

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  11. Why are people still on Twitter.

    To see what the 2% are saying, I guess.

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  12. If he broke the rules like they said, he made it easy for them and should stop being a sneaky little bitch.

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    1. That's not how Twitter or any of the social media works, stop being a little bitch.

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  13. Now that Twitter has no one to talk about eggs, they're as good as bankrupt!

    St. Efan never stood up to fight and now he's St. Eamrolled.

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  14. Molyneux has been building his own platforms for years. They are well developed and capable of sustaining his output.

    This is a scorched earth withdraw, making them remove you is far better then removing yourself. It's not like he's duplicating much effort running a Twitter and a Gab.

    To the ilk mocking his use of Twitter and YouTube, what have you built?

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  15. Some white people discovered they can fight back against the Orcs:

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/917/989/original/c7f3835df33a396c.mp4

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  16. @ the masked menace

    Or it means that they have complete power in certain areas of life like the tech sector and big corporations and they can do whatever they want. If a football team would completely change the rules in the middle of a game it means there was no game in the first place since a game would require two teams that play on an equal rule set. It means that the so called "game" was just a fake circus for the masses in which one team was planned to win form the get go no matter what.

    Being eliminated from public life is not winning. Molyneaux is joining a growing group of figures who will never be able to reach a mass mainstream audience again due to big tech censorship. It isn't winning. It's the very definition of losing.

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  17. "Why are people still on Twitter." (?)

    I'm not there but:

    Meme placement. It's fun for some to do memes on Twitter.

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  18. Haha I've been banned since 2014. Once he's banned from PayPal let me know

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  19. To the ilk mocking his use of Twitter and YouTube, what have you built?

    They've built Infogalactic, SocialGalactic, and Unauthorized, so far.

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  20. Building your own platform can keep you financially viable, but it also puts you in a ghetto away from new eyes.

    That's mostly, though not quite entirely, false. Everyone isn't on YouTube and Twitter. That's what people used to say about the new media too... unless you're on TV, you're nobody.

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  21. Crew wrote:Some white people discovered they can fight back against the Orcs:
    What is that creature? a negress? The Whites in that video aren't fighting very eagerly or effectively, but they're fighting, and that's great.

    The old dude with the blue hat and a purse started out totally ineffective, but he kept coming back, and he got a good kick in at the end.

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  22. As Vox says, weakness invites attacks.

    I wish the best for Stefan but I fear he will be kicked off each platform. Easy target.

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  23. An easy to use, customizable web based aggregator that suggests and promotes deplatformed people could be successful. Yes, you can already manually do this kind of aggregation with RSS feeds, but the vast majority of people simply won't be bothered to figure things like that out. Marketing would be key.

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  24. Twitter is in self discredit and disqualified territory mucking about with CNN and MSNBC. If a man has frame he would say they would be lucky to have him on it. Twitter gets by on the old scam of conservatives tailgating around it validating twitter like a beta orbiter validates a girl.

    Maybe the one conservative with Frame, Tucker Carlson who tweets once a month should let twitter know they are lucky to have him and then sit back and have the girls of twitter throw a hissy.

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  25. I'm sure Stefan is going to talk about this.

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  26. @15 That was like a scene out of Idiocracy. Dregs. Thanks for reminding me what cities are like. Haven't been in one for many years now.

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  27. Hoyabembe wrote:If he broke the rules like they said, he made it easy for them and should stop being a sneaky little bitch.

    You cannot obey their rules. The rules are whatever they say they are and that is subject to change at any moment and will apply retroactively.
    If YT, FB, Instagram, Twitter etc had rules that could be followed, everyone would still be on these platforms. The hate speech prohibition is not what you (apparently)think it is. It is not a prohibition on specific words or phrases. It is a catch-all designed to allow them to deem whatever they want as hate speech. Same with spam or misleading content. That is the whole point of a code of conduct. There are no rules to follow.
    VD wrote:That's mostly, though not quite entirely, false. Everyone isn't on YouTube and Twitter.

    If nothing else, they are no worse off than they were 10 years ago. I don't think anyone is going to pay for these platforms either. Why does anyone need to pay money to hear the same crap they can hear over the radio or over-the-air free TV?

    The MSM cannot compete, even with stuff having nothing to do with politics. Nobody watches the network car shows anymore. There are hundreds of far better channels on YT with basically a $200 camera and zero budget. Shows like "This Old House" have been surpassed by a guy with his camera doing work around the house, showing in detail how to fix the sink or patch a hole in the ground.

    Any platform, including our own, that has policies not actively hostile to us, ultimately loses to us. It started with the comment section of local news channels. The minute they opened themselves up to comments, their lies were exposed.

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  28. They almost wrote a complete sentence as a conclusion!

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  29. Has Stefan ever had a real job? This is tragic.

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  30. It took me awhile to understand why Vox highlighted Mike Cernovich's comment. Then I realised that Vox did call those Against Cancel Culture signatories cucks for not calling out what the main issue really is for fear of getting eaten.

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  31. @1. The term, "alt right", can be (((subverted))).

    "Christian Nationalist Right" is much harder to (((subvert))).

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  32. He needs to put on his big boy pants on and start fighting. He should look for inspiration from Owen and Vox.

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  33. "...what have you built?"


    Left out the "millennial" at the end.

    Let me guess... you smoked joints on the moon?

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  34. "This is a scorched earth withdraw, making them remove you is far better then removing yourself."

    The forced withdrawal is visible to everyone. There is no scorched earth going on. His reaction was his same reaction. "Join me over here on this livestream to talk about this".

    Stefan refuses to go scorched earth which is why he will continue to be banned and ostracized until he stops making content all together or he decides to pick up a flamethrower.

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  35. @jijijieac
    Being eliminated from public life is not winning. Molyneaux is joining a growing group of figures who will never be able to reach a mass mainstream audience again due to big tech censorship. It isn't winning. It's the very definition of losing.
    ________________________

    These bannings are inevitable. The 'line' has been moving one way for a long time.

    I think the people worth communicating with will still find online spaces. The fact that the new traffic is going to inevitably slow down, should serve as incentive to be better at building word-of-mouth slowly.

    The idea that all good ideas have to be 'viral' or teach everyone immediately, is a broken one, and we shouldn't be incorporating that nonsense into our thinking. This is the self-created trap that the Patriot movement, 9/11 truth, Alex Jones etc. will be stuck in forever. "Grow the brand! Sell more gold! More website hits!" Expanding forever, to nowhere.

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  36. RobertDWood wrote:Molyneux has been building his own platforms for years. They are well developed and capable of sustaining his output.

    Stefan dropped the ball years ago.
    He used to do live shows before Twitch was even a thing. He used to have a very active forum with a live chat. He used to have get-togethers which is where he found the people who helped his channel grow, and who built him his podcast site.

    For some reason he abandoned all of that in favor of YT.

    Keep in mind that he got into Bitcoin really early. He had (or has) the funds to build what Owen and Vox are doing but chose (or chooses) not to. Talkers talk and can only talk the talk.

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  37. B-but what about all the conversations we still need to have to change everyone's minds??

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  38. Canadian Warlord wrote:The idea that all good ideas have to be 'viral' or teach everyone immediately, is a broken one, and we shouldn't be incorporating that nonsense into our thinking.

    This is precisely why Stefan was so effective. It wasn't one single video or one single red-pill, but slid into other conversations in small ways all backed by a larger narrative that weaves together a story. All of this is done over and over to break down emotional resistance to the ideas (which is all they really have) they have been conditioned against.

    People really underestimate the degree to which they have been propagandized over the course of their lives starting as children. The average 8 year old child has had hundreds of hours of indoctrination in many different ways and from many different sources. Our enemies have spent many decades perfecting the propaganda, indoctrination and their ability to project the narrative. You cannot undo this kind of programming in one sitting. My guess is most people don't think they have been indoctrinated and propagandized.
    They believe they think what they think because they have thought it through rationally and have come to the correct conclusion. Getting people over this conditioning is the first step in any red-pilling.

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  39. @20
    > > Building your own platform can keep you financially viable, but it also puts you in a ghetto away from new eyes.
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    > That's mostly, though not quite entirely, false. Everyone isn't on YouTube and Twitter.

    They don't have to be. YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook became dominant because they're "open", meaning that no user has to be logged "on" to them in order to *see* their content. Hot-linking (or even embedding) URL-links to their material from another platform is trivial and commonplace, and archive.vn has no trouble backing them up.

    Compare now to a place such as Parler, which requires a phone number for an account, and which walls off content to non-subscribers. It is a true ghetto, and therefore an absolute waste of time. Nothing said there can be seen outside of the ecosystem.

    Instructive lessons of this phenomenon occurred early in the file-trading scene, as torrent sites requiring the "private" flag to be set would see their entire torrent database rapidly zero of seeds if the site ever went down, which, given the advent of government interest, quickly became a probability approaching 100%.

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  40. It is all being done in preparation for the second coming of Christ. The son of god and the salvation of human kind must be silenced the second he opens his mouth.

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  41. Han Solo was right. Shoot first. Boring conversation anyway.

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  42. > Stefan dropped the ball years ago.
    He used to do live shows before Twitch was even a thing. He used to have a very active forum with a live chat. He used to have get-togethers which is where he found the people who helped his channel grow, and who built him his podcast site.


    > For some reason he abandoned all of that in favor of YT.

    Because YouTube blows everything else away in terms of gaining a global audience that absolutely dwarfs anything else. Most people who know Molyneux, first heard him on a shared video.

    This will remain the case until the monetization rewards of competing platforms come within striking distance (and that will be difficult with Google running it at a loss).

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  43. Tars Tarkas,

    After a certain point, getting messages out will pale in comparison to living the message.

    The people still conditioned, are worth a small effort to reach because yes - they can slowly break through their own mental walls. But only up to a point. Real life living by your principles quietly may be more powerful if our lives are good and theirs are crappy.

    Reaching the unreachable, should not be the core effort of a messenger. It's past time for the real conversations to begin, the conversations that are not for everyone. We don't need everyone.

    The sooner that we all figure out what fix we're really in, the better.

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    1. Shout this from the rooftops. People are easily convinced by your viewpoint if you live well as a consequence of it

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    2. This and the reply from Kraemer = example of why VP is one of the best and most important blog communities on the web rn.

      Just wanted to say that -- thanks all of you for the Hopium, for not being black pilled cuck cowards.

      "You are not alone" is an understatement.

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  44. Scour the Shire wrote:Because YouTube blows everything else away in terms of gaining a global audience that absolutely dwarfs anything else. Most people who know Molyneux, first heard him on a shared video.

    It's not a zero sum game. He could've kept the community that he built. He could've kept the alternatives that he built. His channel wasn't even monetized. He purposely made himself fragile over nothing.

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  45. The only messages we need anymore are two:

    1 ) You're not alone

    2 ) The enemy is fragile and about to break.


    Funny, as I typed "fragile" I of course thought of this idiocy going around lately about "White fragility." But of course, these are SJWs, so they always project.

    Anyway, we don't need to message the masses about all the various nefarious Q-things. All the masses need to hear are those two things.

    You're not alone, and one good blow will shatter the enemy.

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  46. Canadian Warlord wrote:Reaching the unreachable, should not be the core effort of a messenger. It's past time for the real conversations to begin, the conversations that are not for everyone. We don't need everyone.

    I don't really disagree, but it's funny to me how people want to pull up the drawbridge behind them.

    While we certainly should not waste time on people who will not even listen at all, there are lots of people who have not ever even heard what we have to say. We need all the people we can get.

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  47. >> You're not alone,

    True.

    >> and one good blow will shatter the enemy.

    Don't say things that lead to overconfidence. When a statement based on overconfidence is shown to be wrong (say, the far left survives the first strong blow), it blackpills a lot of people who would otherwise fight.

    The better follow up is -- ... and with enough effort by our side, we can and will defeat them.

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  48. Was good to see him changing. 2006 snippet of Molyneux helping dig his own future grave pushing the anti-white/pro-migrant line:

    "Just look at Congress. A bunch of old white guys, mostly. Look at the list of Presidents – yawn, might as well be a picture of the same guy over and over. Look at the history of how the government has treated minorities – from slavery to incarceration to Jim Crow to abysmal local schools and the soft quagmire of the welfare state. Do you think that the average minority member looks at the existing government and says: “Now there’s a bunch of white-haired old fogeys who are truly looking out for me!” Of course not!" ...
    Immigrants weren’t in charge when we lost our freedoms. White guys were. Millions of ‘illegal immigrants’ threaten you somehow? Compared to your neighbor who votes Democrat or Republican and demands his Social Security? Puh-lease! Who is more dedicated to freedom, a Republican who supports the President no matter what, or a man who risks death rowing a tiny boat over from Cuba? Who yearns more for freedom, your Congressman, or a Chinese woman who hides in the hold of a ship for weeks, is willing to live illegally and run the risk of get shipped back to her Communist masters if caught? … And if open immigration does turn out to bankrupt the state, is that the end of the world? ...
    Immigrants and minorities may well be the best friends that freedom has."

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  49. DeepThought wrote:As Vox says, weakness invites attacks.

    I wish the best for Stefan but I fear he will be kicked off each platform. Easy target.


    Likewise Feigned Weakness is good bait. Use it to draw out all Traitors and enemies in hiding.

    Then using their false confidence to lure them into a trap where they are destroyed.

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  50. "We need all the people we can get."

    No, we don't.

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  51. Calvinball Rules...

    >If he broke the rules like they said

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  52. Don't say things that lead to overconfidence.

    I still think it's true, one good - but it has to be good - blow will crumble them, but if you'd rather, I can change it to "the enemy isn't as strong as he wants you to believe."

    The main point is to encourage striking back. All it took was Boris Yeltsin standing up on that barricade and not being shot to bring it all down. All it takes for an enemy who's power is built upon lies to fall is for one person to strike back and live.

    Demoralized if someone fails? No. That's expected. The couple who painted over the BLM mural and got charged with hate crimes? Expected. Seeing it happen is not demoralizing.

    But when someone else paints over the mural and isn't charged? No matter how many previous charges might have been filed, when one person survives, it's game one.

    We're not starved for draws. We're starved for victories.

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  53. It sounds to me like Stefan has accepted defeat. He said on his latest blog post "WHAT I BELIEVE" that he's retiring from political commentary.

    I believe he is a Bitcoin millionaire. Maybe it just isn't worth the trouble for him at this point.

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  54. >> The main point is to encourage striking back. All it took was Boris Yeltsin standing up on that barricade and not being shot to bring it all down. All it takes for an enemy who's power is built upon lies to fall is for one person to strike back and live.

    That was the SECOND blow.

    Yeltsin's first strike was withdrawing Russia from the Soviet Union. The mobilization of tanks to Moscow was a demonstration that he had not slayed the beast. Fortunately, Yeltsin was mentally prepared to continue the fight until the Communist Party was defeated.

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  55. This is what happens when you don't fight back. If you don't knock out the first thug that sucker punches you, you inspire the lesser animals to pile-in on top of you.

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  57. He called himself Molymeme MA, that MA is the reason he depended on YouTube and whined and begged after being b&.
    If he was a better right-winger, he might have realized that intellectualism and its consequence transhumanism is the essence of the left. Despite his story about having been a young man fixing window screens and having his own stuff, he was always a beta orbiter to the university instead of his own alpha.
    Ideas are easy and irrelevant except that they lead people to change their identity. The purpose of neoreaction and the alt-right, alt meaning alternative lifestyle, was to get men of character who were raised as leftoids to find Jesus.

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