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Monday, July 27, 2020

You can't fix convergence

A reader emails about Wikipedia's new code of conduct:
There is a big SJW convergence step happening on Wikipedia right now. They are trying to impose an universal code of conduct on all Wikimedia projects to be more "inclusive" and target "harassment". Aka the same old bullshit as always. Only this time it would target something as big as all of the Wikipedias in all of their languages (another hilariously hypocritical example of SJW imposing their standards on different peoples and cultures, btw). The new code would be retroactive as well, apparently, so already closed cases could be opened again.

In the meantime they are also setting up an interim "case review committee", just to be able to start doing this shit as fast as possible:

They are clearly trying to close this process as fast as possible, even doing it during summer when a lot of users are enjoying their holidays. I wonder if something could be done to stop it or limit its effect. Maybe some users that have been on Wikipedia for a while could work on it somehow. I don't know if you have any ideas about that.
Why would we want to stop it? We've already provided everyone with the ideal alternative. People have got to learn to stop crying, stop complaining, and stop trying to fix the enemy and simply start making use of the existing alternatives instead.

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55 Comments:

Blogger cheddarman July 27, 2020 9:46 AM  

Let the enemy shoot themselves in the face, repeatedly

Blogger DrDeath July 27, 2020 9:47 AM  

The ultimate “build our own platforms” would be to create our own universities. Academia is the nexus of the left.

Blogger Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2020 9:49 AM  

Be honest, is this email real? No one is stupid enough to solicit an opinion on this from a founder of infogalactic. Don't misunderstand, I believe you, it's just... Mind boggling stupidity, engraved in email.

Blogger Akulkis July 27, 2020 9:56 AM  

Has this e-mailer not herd of Infogalactic?

Blogger Owen July 27, 2020 10:00 AM  

Totally agree.... I have brave and the plugin which redirects from Wikipedia to Infogalactic. I had no idea how bad it was until I went to Molyneux’s page and saw that he was described as “far right“ and a “white nationalist”.... evidently there’s an editor squatting on the page that reverts any changes or corrections. Also, you can make money using brave rewards! I don’t know of any other browsers that pay you to view ads.

Blogger Crave July 27, 2020 10:05 AM  

I welcome their self-immolation. It's already barely more useful than, The Onion. Look forward to the time when others will realize it too.

Blogger The Course of Empire July 27, 2020 10:10 AM  

I generally liked Infogalactic when I used it, but also found it had limits. Quite often I'd look up something and it didn't have the information, whereas Wikipedia and other sites did. I realize this is because things are still being brought up to speed and once it is, Wikipedia will become completely useless as a valid source.

Blogger VFM Bear July 27, 2020 10:10 AM  

'as all of the Wikipedias in all of their languages'

Oh, I can't wait until they do that to the Arabic and Hebrew versions of Wikipedia as but one of many ferinstances.

Epic popcorn time.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira July 27, 2020 10:17 AM  

I've cited Infogalactic for school assignments. Wikipedia should burn.

Blogger Dr Caveman July 27, 2020 10:17 AM  

Wikipedia was lost long ago. Just look at their entry on Moral Panics - it goes to great lengths trying to argue that fear of pedophiles is a moral panic

Blogger thechortling July 27, 2020 10:19 AM  

Abdu Murray from RZIM.org gave a great response at Berkeley to the question of "how can a religion which claims exclusivity exist when we here at this institution are completely committed to completely open and diverse cultures-- all of them".

Murray points out the hidden lie in modern, academic claims to diversity: it's not diverse at all, it's prescriptive and intolerant to the core.

It reminds me of the de-platformed, Asian Facebook employee discovering that diversity is a lie. It's a complete Kim Jong style power play.

Here the Murray response here.

Blogger Scuzzaman July 27, 2020 10:27 AM  

InfoGalactic or Die!
SocialGalactic or Die!
HomeSchool or Die.
Christianity or Die!

How’s your pattern recognition working, huh?

Blogger Out of Nod July 27, 2020 10:27 AM  

You are correct - I push it every chance I get on Blab. There a lot of butt hurt dissident-right wingers who can't let the Dark Lord of the Internet be right.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 27, 2020 10:29 AM  

But Vox, complaining is how you make money from the cuckservative Boomers, so why would we fix anything or build anything new?

Blogger Theaitetos July 27, 2020 10:38 AM  

I was a member of Wikimedia Germany - pretty much the largest & most important Wikimedia group outside the US, where most of the big projects were started and developed (like Wikidata) - and I was developing extensions (addons) for the Mediawiki code base, especially the Dynamic Page List extension, which is used in tens of thousands of Wikis.

Despite knowing about all the crap that was going on, I refused to quit, since I spent so much time into building things there and was heavily invested. Then, three years ago a super-fag from the Wikimedia Foundation used his admin privilege to stealth-insert (via BOT flags to avoid notifications) "Codes of Conduct" into each and every volunteer project. God, my rage was massive and I finally managed to quit that addiction.

Didn't know you back then Vox Day, aside from GamerGate events, but I'm really glad to have found you now. I no longer need rage to quit crap projects/groups. So thanks for all you do!

Blogger rikjames.313 July 27, 2020 10:40 AM  

I understand feeling bad when the left ruins something big and old like a library system or a manufacturing giant, or the final death of universities going on now.

But wiki was just a major thing for 15 years (maybe 20 depending on how you count). Let it kill itself and smile.

Blogger buzzardist July 27, 2020 10:44 AM  

I wonder if something could be done to stop it or limit its effect.

Ummm...is this person actually a reader? I'm not sure how any reader of Vox's blog in the last few years, even an occasional reader, could have missed frequent plugs for Infogalactic, as well as the explanations for why it's necessary. What needed to be done already has been done...except for the part of this individual using the new platform instead of Wikipedia.

This desire to preserve organizations that were rotten from their inception baffles me, but here it is, on display: "I wonder if something could be done..." Stop wondering, and get on board!

Blogger VD July 27, 2020 10:45 AM  

I generally liked Infogalactic when I used it, but also found it had limits.

So become an editor and improve it.

Blogger VD July 27, 2020 10:47 AM  

I was a member of Wikimedia Germany

Consider yourself invited to join the Infogalactic project. Get in touch with Crew, there are loads of things that can be done.

Blogger The Masked Menace July 27, 2020 10:50 AM  

This doesn't affect me. I use Infogalactic.

Blogger Rhino Bear July 27, 2020 10:57 AM  

I installed infogalactic transporter on every computer in this office. It's been an incredible experience. It's gamma kryptonite.

Blogger Daniel July 27, 2020 11:11 AM  

Wikipedia has NEVER been a good source, due to its original tenets. They were always tied to the quality of their "notable" sources, and those had already begun their decline prior to Wikipedia's founding: Stephen Glass was writing for New Republic in the late 90s, for example.

Wikipedia baked it's own suicide right into the cake, and now serves merely as a grave upon which better services may freely dance.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 27, 2020 11:12 AM  

Brave has gone janky in the last month or so, sudden CPU overloads and page shutdowns, which is too bad but their tech help is pretty much non-existent, but at least my mobile Brave browser still works.

Blogger Ingemar July 27, 2020 11:20 AM  

Once you realize that the mainstream and social medias are enemy comms, it is truly awakening. I refuse to look even at billboards and bench ads without practicing information hygiene.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 27, 2020 11:22 AM  

You can't fix convergence

I say you can, but only by means of encouraging self-pwnage, which is a beauty to behold.

Blogger thechortling July 27, 2020 11:36 AM  

Daniel wrote:Wikipedia has NEVER been a good source, .

indeed. Even fully converged Universities still push back (YMMV) Wikipedia as an exclusive source for academic work.

Of course, more and more examples of the sources academics do accept make Wikipedia look like a far more palatable source than the other "original source materials" out there -- check out the Rutgers U grammar-is-colonization email and what the source of the Critical Grammar nonsense is all about (culture trumps grammar-- groove the meaning and the symbol not whitemanrules).

All that to say, Wikipedia is bad; other academically-accepted sources are seeking "woke" sources not quality, true, meaningful sources.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 27, 2020 11:47 AM  

VD wrote:I generally liked Infogalactic when I used it, but also found it had limits.

So become an editor and improve it.

I did, and so can you.

I don't have time to do much, but when I find an IG article which is lacking pictures, I import them from Wikipedia.

Blogger Leahn Novash July 27, 2020 11:48 AM  

And you'd be wrong. You can make a thousand SJWs self-pwn. They will simply be replaced by another thousand.

Blogger thechortling July 27, 2020 12:24 PM  

Leahn Novash wrote:They will simply be replaced by another thousand.

But like orcs, given the right conditions they start fighting and eating each other.

Blogger thechortling July 27, 2020 12:46 PM  

Is anyone else throat-vomiting the John Lewis orgy of accolades? He was a racist pot-stirrer. Any progress was never enough for him. As soon as one "victory" was won against the "enemy", it was on to wider and grander vistas... right up to the last heartbeat. And, of course, the enemy was all of his fellow citizens he was shrieking in the face of about equality, equality, equality -- Lewis' equality, not yours.

You have to wonder how many hot mics the media have in archives of the likes of Lewis, Jackson, Sharpton and ultimately Farrakhan. Pray the day will come that all comes out.

Blogger "William Berke" July 27, 2020 1:06 PM  

There are many subjects not in their encyclopedia, I do not have the time to put them in nor would I be granted authorship because I am not paid by the US government to have free time, my time is more important. I do not see the website as a reference but rather a social communication board between lazy government employees. It is difficult to fathom how much will the orators of educational and social justice have to stare at their own reflections beyond the light. Thy will be done...

2011-- "Having gone through this process, I’m now a confirmed Wikipedia admirer , which before this experience I was not. True, I wanted to tear my hair out at times, but it was well worth the effort. What has your experience been with Wikipedia? Have you created pages or articles? Have you run afoul of Wiki editors? Have you had problems correcting erroneous information posted by others? Post your comments below."

2020--"The final step is taking your draft to the articles for creation process, and adding it to the review queue. Once you’ve done that, it will probably take a few weeks for a volunteer to read the draft. Sometimes editors will come back with critiques about what else it should include or what should be deleted. Do your best to incorporate their feedback, and don’t take it personally if they don’t like something you’ve written. Sometimes, what seems reasonable to you may run afoul of Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines – and Wikipedia has many of them. Undoubtedly, this can be a confusing process, and Wikipedia editors know it. Alas, there simply isn’t a better way: Building an encyclopedia is hard and reviewing contributions from outsiders can be harder still. But if you can figure out Wikipedia’s sourcing requirements, internalize its style points, and learn the process for writing and submitting an entry, you can help make Wikipedia better and tell your brand’s story at the same time."

https://contentmarketinginstitute.com/2020/05/tips-wikipedia-page-published/

Blogger rikjames.313 July 27, 2020 1:12 PM  

Daniel wrote:Wikipedia baked it's own suicide right into the cake, and now serves merely as a grave upon which better services may freely dance.

I thought it was an interesting idea. Encarta, only with quality hyperlinks to the web. Then around 2000 I was reading and ran across a local men's service group entry. Except the article misrepresented them as a defunct shopping center.

I read up a little on how to do it and fixed it up to be correct, with citing links. A few days later it was changed back. I asked the much higher level editor and she said she was lesbian and basically didn't like men's clubs (little more wordy and ranty than that).

Then I escalated and the outcome was that she was a higher level editor. that was enough wiki for me.

I mostly see wiki now when I teach undergraduates, as an adjunct. The papers and tests are online so I have my submissions set to go straight to turnitin. Which is where about 1 student per section tries to cut and paste from, sometimes even from the wrong article

Blogger The Greay Man July 27, 2020 1:13 PM  

Infogalactic has to improve loading on mobile at first.

Blogger SirHamster July 27, 2020 1:20 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:I don't have time to do much, but when I find an IG article which is lacking pictures, I import them from Wikipedia.
Is there a list of things like this that are desired on InfoGalactic?

I use the IG addon, but broken images often send me to the source wiki article. Is there demand to crowd-upload wiki images to IG? I recall there being work done to auto-import edits and articles from wiki.

Is anyone giving directions to guide volunteers?

I could start fixing image links for an IG page each time I run into broken links.


What are other minor busy-work type tasks that new editors can ease into?


What I'm thinking is a simple repeatable task, like,

"Use Random to select a random article. Fix image links/Review article for typos/etc."

Then volunteers can choose to do 1/5/10 a day, etc.

Blogger boogeyman July 27, 2020 2:25 PM  

Never try to save a drowning man that wants to see you dead. He'll just pull you to the bottom with him.

Blogger Lazarus July 27, 2020 2:37 PM  

In case people don't know:

If you type " !infog " (without the quote signs )before your search in DuckDuckGo, you are directed to Infogalactic.

Blogger Xellos July 27, 2020 3:47 PM  

The faster Wikipedia converges, the better. They're still not shit enough to put off FB normies.

Blogger Terrific July 27, 2020 4:41 PM  

is there a way I can make my browser default to Infogalactic the way google does with Wikipedia?

Blogger JM July 27, 2020 5:27 PM  

\strong
VD wrote:
I generally liked Infogalactic when I used it, but also found it had limits.

So become an editor and improve it.

I did, and so can you.
\strong

I've tried several times. It never lets me set up an account. Would appreciate some help with this.

Blogger FrankNorman July 27, 2020 5:51 PM  

Vox, how are things going in terms of increased public use of InfoGalactic?

Blogger Joe July 27, 2020 6:15 PM  

It can't be fixed, but it can certainly be mocked at every opportunity.

Blogger Darren July 27, 2020 7:03 PM  

Every couple of hundred years, history repeats apparently.

What wealthy Christian family will take the first step this time? And hopefully have something in its founding documents about value litmus tests etc. for staff let alone board members and executives.

Blogger Darren July 27, 2020 7:05 PM  

All this narrative-maintaining squatting pays very well, probably. And will only increase in frequency via the $500 million given by coward cuck CEOs to Bmarxist Lies Mustbebelieved.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 27, 2020 7:10 PM  

DrDeath wrote:The ultimate “build our own platforms” would be to create our own universities. Academia is the nexus of the left. Any ideas on how to do this?

I'm currently working on a couple projects: (1) medical lectures together with an illustrated coloring book (adv neuro) and (2) a children's storybook that sort of teaches basic logic, step two of the trivium.

I'll be done with the neuro March 2021.

But, this is the thing about higher education, it's very difficult to get a return on time investment. That's probably why we ended up with government funded education in the first place.

I'm working with someone to translate everything into Japanese and then we'll market to Japanese medical schools. Comparably, medical schools have a ton of money and can afford to trial something without it being an issue.

For American Universities, I would say they need to be massively defunded. Most education put online (except STEM labs). And the value will have to be in individualized high quality certification.

Oh, one other note, the market isn't just high quality education and good 'teachers', but also getting high quality students. That's probably equally as important. While retarded university teachers and admin is a major issue, equally as rotten is the low quality students being suckered into fake degree programs.

Defund Fake Degrees needs to gain traction.

Blogger Owen July 27, 2020 7:10 PM  

If you use brave there’s a plug-in you can install that does that. I highly recommend brave. Not only is the browsing experience better and faster than chrome, there are fewer ads and you collect rewards that you can convert to cash, for viewing ads.

Blogger Darren July 27, 2020 7:11 PM  

And secondarily it serves as a night-and-day contrast to Infogalactic.

Like how PressSec Kaylie can let the lying legacy media report nonsense then she shows full context facts, or how TGE can point to Democrat cities that refuse to enforce the law or accept his help.

Making available Evil side by side next to Good for comparison is Red Pill Level 9001.

Blogger Darren July 27, 2020 7:17 PM  

I just did a Re:View of Star Trek III last night, and the Klingon captain (played by Christopher Lloyd) tried to do that to Kirk in his final moments hanging from the edge of a cliff; that vivid image came to mind when I read your comment. Vivid.

Blogger Darren July 27, 2020 7:18 PM  

!infog Wikipedia

...the resulting page might need updating about the new info shared by VD :-)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 27, 2020 8:54 PM  

JM wrote:I've tried several times. It never lets me set up an account. Would appreciate some help with this.
It took me some effort. I finally contacted one of the IG admins on here, and he set me up.

Blogger Bezzle July 28, 2020 4:34 AM  

22. Daniel July 27, 2020 11:11 AM
Wikipedia has NEVER been a good source, due to its original tenets. They were always tied to the quality of their "notable" sources, and those had already begun their decline prior to Wikipedia's founding: Stephen Glass was writing for New Republic in the late 90s, for example.

Wikipedia baked it's own suicide right into the cake, and now serves merely as a grave upon which better services may freely dance.


- When viewed from the lens of Wikipedia being a propaganda project from the outset, then it has been a spectacular success from the outset. It works hand-in-glove with Google (usually listing Wikipedia as the first return) to herd-control the bulk of humanity.

So long as there are 501c3 charitable write-offs, Wikipedia will always be there. It doesn't need ad-revenue, and hence cannot "fail" by any profitability metric.

Blogger Nostromo July 28, 2020 7:38 AM  

I turned on Fox on for lunch, saw the saint being buried with all the D.C. hosannas, turned it off immediately. Didn't turn the tv back on until 9 pm.(by then I had forgotten) Even skipped Jeopardy. 2020 was good for something at least.

Blogger nswhorse July 28, 2020 7:55 PM  

> Wikipedia will always be there. It doesn't need ad-revenue, and hence cannot "fail" by any profitability metric.

One wonders why they continuously e-beg for money then. If they don't need it, then why are they asking for it and where is it going? Is Wikipedia, on top of everything else, a Promethean money laudnering operation?

Blogger Akulkis July 29, 2020 1:18 AM  

>> One wonders why they continuously e-beg for money then. If they don't need it, then why are they asking for it and where is it going? Is Wikipedia, on top of everything else, a Promethean money laudnering operation?

Network connections. Physical plant bills. Property taxes. AND SALARIES!

Blogger Bezzle July 30, 2020 2:45 AM  

Desires exceed needs. --If you're dumb enough to give Wikipedia your money, they'll take it.

Stalin didn't need Spain's gold, but he was happy to take it when they were dumb enough to send it.

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