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Tuesday, August 25, 2020

Ain't diversity grand?

Kenosha, Wisconsin discovers the joys of a diverse and vibrant population:
On Monday night, rioters in Kenosha, Wisconsin spread their civil unrest from primarily urban and commercial centers, to residential areas.

And the residents in those areas were having none of it.

Shortly after midnight, a group of demonstrators got in their cars and traveled to a residential neighborhood where they parked in a grassy area across from a row of houses. As they began exiting their vehicles, a homeowner emerged from his house and began firing warning shots at the rioters.

The would-be rioters began to flee as the man fired several more shots. In another incident, a group of rioters attacked and burned several local businesses in an area near a residential neighborhood.
Sooner or later, whites in the USA are going to figure out that their problem isn't an excess of racism, but a severe shortage of it. It might not be a bad idea for Christians to recall that while racism isn't a sin, lying most certainly is.

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Blogger rikjames.313 August 25, 2020 1:57 PM  

https://twitter.com/BlessUSA45/status/1298129320259604480

If I were the man sitting at the table and actively resisted this person's threats to pay homage to her political stance, I would almost certainly lose my law license, and depending on the county here it happened in, I would likely catch a conviction and either time or a large fine and probation for years.

Seems like something I should think about now so I can react later when it happens, in an informed manner

Blogger Megamerc August 25, 2020 1:58 PM  

In a brief conversation with him, my father expressed his astonishment that Seattle looked like a warzone and that protests had been ongoing every night for the last two months. "The protestors have their own armor and equipment and flamethrowers to combat the police" is what he said.

I mentioned that this was a result of diverse America, that diversity + proximity = war.

The comment did not really get through to him, and he tried very hard to ignore that aspect of what's going on, judging by how he sort of stared off into space when I said it. And this from a man who thinks BLM is stupid.

The older generation are surprised by what's going on because they are convinced, somehow, that diversity is not the reason for all the turmoil.

Blogger Duh August 25, 2020 1:59 PM  

Same with police brutality. After seeing many neighborhoods looted and torched, people will realize we need more police brutality, not less

Anonymous Anonymous August 25, 2020 2:04 PM  

Racism is a cold brand that fades as genetically modified rhetoric turns into action.

Blogger Jeroth August 25, 2020 2:09 PM  

All it will take is a few skilled snipers to create some examples, and these people won't dare set foot in a suburb again.

How long did it take them to catch the DC sniper, btw?

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 25, 2020 2:12 PM  

I stayed up too late following the play-by-play. The rioters had a standoff with police for a while at the courthouse, burned some businesses (including some with signs supporting BLM, which was fun), and then started moving out into a residential area. As soon as one homeowner fired some shots, the rioters scattered and that was the end of it. They want nothing to do with white gun owners, and wouldn't go near them if not bused in and steered that direction by antifa.

Blogger Mad Italian August 25, 2020 2:20 PM  

"As they began exiting their vehicles, a homeowner emerged from his house and began firing warning shots at the rioters."

Will be interesting to see if this defender will get railroaded or left alone by the local authorities.

Blogger Geir Balderson August 25, 2020 2:34 PM  

But, the food!!!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 25, 2020 2:45 PM  

When the defender's neighbors start defending him against the authorities, that will be interesting.

The enemy of your enemy is not usually your friend, but the friend of your enemy is definitely your enemy.

If the police are not shooting rioters, they are the rioters' friends.

Blogger RadixMalorum August 25, 2020 2:48 PM  

Jeroth wrote:All it will take is a few skilled snipers to create some examples, and these people won't dare set foot in a suburb again.

How long did it take them to catch the DC sniper, btw?


Depends on what jurisdiction. They'd love it if people from suburbs in leftist states shoot these rioters. They'd have their victim narrative and be able to politically prosecute the shooters with leftist amenable authorities. Useful idiots are plentiful and expendable. They're slated for a purge anyway if the revolution succeeds.

Blogger Robert Browning August 25, 2020 2:51 PM  

The Jews want their race war and have been agitating for it for a very long time. The Jews have a plan to destroy Christ and Christianity and to prepare the world for their Moshiach, their messiah, the anti-Christ, the son of perdition. Part of that scheme is a race war. Why do they hate Christ the way they do? This not normal. These people are sick.

Blogger Azimus August 25, 2020 2:54 PM  

$10 gets you $20 that they brought in antifa types by the busload from Chiraq to tear that town up, its a 90 minute ride up I94 from Chicago.

And of course, the story as its being told is all but certain to be a lie. Cops don't just plug somebody in the back 7 times because they refuse to talk to them, particularly with children in the area. They had to think their lives were in danger.

Too bad - Kenosha was not a bad town, I used to live there when I worked in The Land of Nod (Illinois).

Blogger Peter August 25, 2020 2:56 PM  

I dont think its as big as that ... race wars white vs black. The cops screwed up. Three cops, couldn't control the situation and shot a man, who was walking away from them, 7 shots point blank range in the back - not a great look for law enforcement. Not complying with the cops might be a crime, but is not a shooting offense. We obviously don't know what the details yet past the video so we cant really comment intelligently.

In regards to protesters -- there are a lot of pissed off people of color and their complaints are not without merit; to a large extent they have been f'd over by the cops/law, the system etc .. they have reached a limit -- and I appreciate that -- if it were happening to my people I would already be out in the street making a change. But that anger needs to be directed in the right direction. If you come to my neighborhood to cause damage to my family or property you will be met with force -- but unlike the cops, you will get a few warning shots :) -- the homeowner did the right thing and probable saved lives.

Blogger RadixMalorum August 25, 2020 2:58 PM  

Dr Caveman wrote:Same with police brutality. After seeing many neighborhoods looted and torched, people will realize we need more police brutality, not less

It all depends on who gives them the orders. The riots could be easily stopped if the local police weren't told to stand down by the amenable authorities. That's why these riots are happening almost exclusively in leftist areas and whenever they attempt to enter a rightwing area they are almost immediately pushed back or crushed.

The people in leftist areas brought it on themselves with either their complicity or complacency. The the problem is these are the same cretins that will flee for greener pastures while bringing their degenerate, dyscivilizational ideas with them to repeat the same process in their new homes.

I really wish these leftists and cuckservatives that appease them can be made to stay and burn in the real life Sodom and Gomorrah they've created.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 25, 2020 3:01 PM  

If we can't arrest criminals for being in groups, then so must end the right to go anywhere. That is, if you turn up in a residential area and are not a guest, invited, on business, or a totally live there, then it's an arrest on the spot. That rule would have to apply to everybody, even those who think the rules don't apply to them.
I wonder if these BLM types know that on the subject of a race war in the US, the phrase "settle this matter once and for all" and "I'll make sure this is a problem my kids won't have" can be heard a lot.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 25, 2020 3:03 PM  

"The comment did not really get through to him, and he tried very hard to ignore that aspect of what's going on, judging by how he sort of stared off into space when I said it. And this from a man who thinks BLM is stupid."
I have seen boomers display this pre-programmed response, as if you said something so horrible they blocked it out automatically.

Blogger Unknown August 25, 2020 3:08 PM  

So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14. ( live in a commie state, can't get ARs or AKs

Blogger RadixMalorum August 25, 2020 3:12 PM  

Mad Italian wrote:"As they began exiting their vehicles, a homeowner emerged from his house and began firing warning shots at the rioters."

Will be interesting to see if this defender will get railroaded or left alone by the local authorities.


Depends on who the local authority is. Looking back on history in the late Han dynasty prior to the collapse the Yellow Turban Rebels were so despised that eventually people took to summarily killing anyone that wore any yellow clothing.

Maybe eventually it will get to that point for BLM or Antifa. All Trump has to do is declare open pardons to anyone that goes after them or their supporters and the purge will be on.

Blogger Balazs Varga August 25, 2020 3:35 PM  

The US will need roof Proud boys soon.

Blogger thethirdcoast August 25, 2020 3:43 PM  

Here's another example of brainwashed white youth acting like Red Guards:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1298313456714682368

Blogger Grooveware August 25, 2020 3:43 PM  

I understand why the whites are holding back, but these animal's only understand violence. Until there is some real action, where Antifa loses some comrades, night after night, there going continue their gay civil unrest.

Blogger Nate73 August 25, 2020 3:44 PM  

I found a comment section on a video about these riots and a guy was saying seeing how racist blacks are now he's going to be a 100% racist now. Two or three people tried to talk him out of it but I was pleasantly surprised he didn't bend at all. As he put it, we didn't want this world but now we have it.

Blogger thethirdcoast August 25, 2020 3:44 PM  

Probably railroaded.

It didn't sound like that individual observed the 3S procedure, which is a huge mistake.

Blogger PH August 25, 2020 3:49 PM  

Why doesn't Trump declare AntiFa a terrorist group?

Blogger kurt9 August 25, 2020 4:16 PM  

Use the old refrain again: "You want more Trump? This is how you get more Trump.".

Blogger Gen. Kong August 25, 2020 4:29 PM  

Will be interesting to see if this defender will get railroaded or left alone by the local authorities.

The police in Kenosha were obviously ordered to allow the rioting and looting to proceed (as they have been in all SJW-owned polities) - even when an armed mob of Antifa/BLM surrounded one of their armored vehicles. Anonymous Conservative has covered the Kenosha events pretty thoroughly. In light of the above the odds are high that the defender will be arrested and charged. The McCloskey case in St. Louis is instructive of how the game will be played. The Soros-funded prosecutor charged them and even ordered the police to re-build Mrs. McCloskey's non-functional pistol to be functional. If things really go hot the police should be counted as enemy soldiers in numerous locales. As noted by Gregory Hood over at Unz, Kenosha is 73% white. Other major centers of Antifa/BLM "peaceful protests" (rioting and looting) like Seattle and Portland have a similar high percentile white population.

The St. Louis police - showing themselves to be the totally craven, corrupt criminals they obviously are - obeyed the utterly criminal order to fabricate evidence. A non-corrupt department would have arrested the prosecutor for ordering them to fabricate evidence. In someplace other than Clown-World, she would have been arrested, charged with obstruction of justice, removed from office and dis-barred for life. While the Missouri state GOP cucks at least intervened on behalf of the couple, they've done nothing at all to remove the criminal from office for her blatant criminal action. The late Sam Francis described this state of affairs a couple of decades ago: Anarcho-Tyranny. This is just a foretaste of what life will be like under a President Kamala - as Grampaw Sniffy will be put out to pasture as soon as he's installed.

Blogger Avalanche August 25, 2020 4:49 PM  

@13 " Not complying with the cops might be a crime, but is not a shooting offense. We obviously don't know what the details yet past the video so we cant really comment intelligently."

Not complying with the cops, while reaching onto a car floor for something after making your way to and opening the car door, all the while ignoring police orders to stop -- and having already DROPPED something that appeared to be a magazine -- is 100% a shooting offense!

You just made a judgement about what is and is not a shooting offense, without any of the information you say is needed.

"we cant really comment intelligently" meaning you acknowledge that you're commenting UN-intelligently?

I am happy to call it a shooting offense; with the caveat that we'll see when more info, besides his violent background, comes out. If these damned negroes do NOT want to get shot by cops -- then stop doing things that LEAD to getting shot!

It's NOT rocket surgery: cops are rightly and reasonably hair-trigger around negroes acting out; they're stupid or dead if they don't.

You don't coddle rabid dogs, you shoot them! If you don't want to be mistaken for -- or accurately recognized as -- a rabid dog, then don't ACT like a rabid dog! Not hard.

Anonymous Anonymous August 25, 2020 4:50 PM  

@ 13 Peter: I'm hardly a supporter of the badge gang, but my God the copium and self abnegation and projection . . . where did you wander in from, snowflake?

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 25, 2020 4:52 PM  

They will...when all if America is clownworld. But then you'll float too.

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 25, 2020 4:54 PM  

i live in a somewhat blue bubble of a red state and I hear this ALL THE TIME. make it so

Blogger Hammerli 280 August 25, 2020 4:55 PM  

@17: Depends on the terrain. I would not bother with a Mini-14, though. Get an M1 Garand, which hits a lot harder.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 25, 2020 4:56 PM  

@5 Jeroth:

All it will take is a few skilled snipers to create some examples, and these people won't dare set foot in a suburb again.

Something like that is reported to have happened in a rural Pennsylvania town of slightly more than 300 people. I suspect the group on the road tour is headed for D.C. where a "besiege the White House" on a certain date until the election campaign is supposed to happen.

@2 Megamerc: note @11 Robert Browning, Antifa is "white", you have to go where most people aren't and will probably never be willing to go to make that diversity point.

@12 Azimus:

And of course, the story as its being told is all but certain to be a lie. Cops don't just plug somebody in the back 7 times because they refuse to talk to them, particularly with children in the area. They had to think their lives were in danger.

What I've heard is that the police escalated the fight to lethal force when the guy reached into his vehicle, that is, possibly to retrieve a gun.

@17 Unknown:


So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14. ( live in a commie state, can't get ARs or AKs

Move before you end up an anonymous body in a ditch. But I say go for range, a shotgun's ends around 100 yards, you won't be able to touch an opponent beyond that. I'd get an M1 Garand as first choice if I knew I was going to have to fight, a clip fed bolt action rifle or a Scout as second choice, use it in shoot and scoot mode and you just might survive, and a Mini-14 as a distance 3rd, especially if your commie government won't let you own 20-30 round magazines. But don't forget the authorities in your state want you dead, and will work very hard to arrange that if you shoot at any of their paramilitary forces like Antifa or BLM. See the example in St. Louis, a Blue city in a Red state.

@24 PH:

Why doesn't Trump declare AntiFa a terrorist group?

I've read such a concept doesn't really exist for domestic groups.

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 25, 2020 4:57 PM  

it doesnt take much to finally just acknowledge what you have seen literally your whole life. It's as if black folk have decided to take all of the most racist stereotypes of themselves and nake it real. Lol

Ive got a pet theory that 10 or 20 years from now people will look back and say this is the time when we decided to fix the elephant in the room

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 25, 2020 4:57 PM  

wait until day after election

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 25, 2020 5:01 PM  

So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14.
Both are short range weapons. Mini 14 lets you have a 30 round magazine instead of 8 or fewer. 12ga is significantly more powerful. Saboted slugs will probably penetrate two bodies per shot in a crowd. You probably can't find 5.56/.223 ammunition right now, but you can probably find bird shot for the 12ga. Bird shot is lousy for your purpose, but better than nothing. Past 20 or 30 yards, it'll probably wound, not kill.

I wouldn't choose either. A Garand is commie-state legal, has a bayonet, and you might be able to find ammunition for it.

Blogger Siestaking August 25, 2020 5:14 PM  

https://m.startribune.com/local-activists-head-to-kenosha-with-lessons-to-share/572208372/



Community organizer Toussaint Morrison, who helped lead the march, is heading to Wisconsin on Tuesday because he believes it's important for Black people like him to stand in solidarity with those in Kenosha and show authorities that this shooting will not go unchecked. And protesters, he said, are ready after the clashes with the Minneapolis Police Department.

"Protesters are more seasoned and more prepared," said Morrison. "People are already making kits. They're ready for tear gas, flash bombs and whatever militarization police are going to put on."

Blogger Dad29 August 25, 2020 5:19 PM  

Umnnh.....those are not exclusively Kenosha rioters. Plenty of cars were coming south from Milwaukee & Racine and north from Chicago.

It's co-ordinated very well.

There will be more "warning shots" fired as this progresses. Some may find their way into soft gooey insurrectionists.

Blogger Newscaper312 August 25, 2020 5:20 PM  

No hard answer here, but12 ga more versatile in some ways, while the Ruger gets you more range and ammo capacity. If you get a wood stock Mini, that looks a bit more to the uninitiated like a hunting rifle than a scary "assault rifle", if that's important for you, particularly w a 5 or 10 Rd mag... Can break out the 30 rounders if serious.
If you buy used, make sure don't get one too old... Early ones had a barrel w walks too thin that would overheat and throw off accuracy significantly. Just Google it.

Blogger Rowan August 25, 2020 5:21 PM  

Our local community group was recently told we are going to be enrichified and made to be inclusive, whether we like it or not.

We’ve had zero BLM issues or anything here, but this [guy] is trucking in loads of people from an urban area to hold a “peaceful demonstration” at one of the parks in our downtown area.

Blogger Crew August 25, 2020 5:24 PM  

Be funny if the rioters torched their own buses.

Blogger rognuald August 25, 2020 5:26 PM  

Don't give up on boomers. I'm hammering this issue hard at them and it's getting thru to most, except for the yellow dog democrats.

Blogger rognuald August 25, 2020 5:34 PM  

Finding ammo is hard now but not impossible. I've picked up 9, 45, 5.56 and even 5 boxes of Federal flyte control 12ga buckshot recently. Mini 14 would be my pick but ARs can be acquired anywhere if you're willing.

Blogger Dad29 August 25, 2020 5:35 PM  

@ #32: That caravan of activists SAYS that shots were fired. The leader of that bunch is a publicity hound; he cannot live 3 days without press notice. Don't believe a word he says unless you can see the hospital receipts.

Blogger Reader August 25, 2020 5:38 PM  

@24 I am just speculating here for I know not the ways of the God-Emperor, but perhaps if Trump were to declare AF a terrorist group, then he would be expected to take action against them. The MSM would make sure that any enforcement action would be taped, aired and continuously reverberated throughout the world as the second coming of Hitler - on steroids. Enough normies and faint-hearted squishes would be brainwashed to change their votes and possibly alter the outcome of the election. But pre-second-term Trump will not be the same as second-term Trump. And they know it. They will do anything and everything to stop Trump this time around. Pray they fail.

Blogger Tallen August 25, 2020 5:43 PM  

Homeowner charged, disarmed by the police the protestors are whinging about. Protestors return. In response, homeowners point out the homes of local police officers for first torching. Oh by the way their kids are at home thanks to the Kung Flu. Cops stop responding to anything in attempt to protect their families. Homeowners now have free rein to do what the police won't. The joys of shortsightedness.

Blogger rognuald August 25, 2020 5:44 PM  

Another idea about long guns for defense, the lever action. Can be had in .357 and 44 mag handgun rounds. I believe they can use the 38 Special and 44 Special respectively. And then there's the Winchester 30-30. They've been used to good effect for a long time.

Anonymous Anonymous August 25, 2020 5:49 PM  

Apparently Herschel F-ing Walker is the GOP's latest Magic Negro. These people make me nauseous.

Blogger Reader August 25, 2020 5:51 PM  

I need to change part of of my last comment. Actually, it's not the number of votes that would make the difference should Trump be vilified for taking action against AF, but rather the acceptance of the stolen election would be easier to pull off if the normies and faint-hearted squishes are sufficiently brainwashed against Trump.

Blogger Unknownsailor August 25, 2020 5:52 PM  

Unknown wrote:So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14. ( live in a commie state, can't get ARs or AKs

Head thee on to gun broker and try to find a Lee Enfield SMLE, a No 1 Mk III should run you about $350 or so, and those were about the fastest bolt guns ever made, and .303 Brit is not a pipsqueak cartridge. They also have removable 10 round magazines, so try to pick up a few spares.

Anything else is likely to be out of stock, as firearm manufacturers are selling every firearm they can make as fast as they can make them right now.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 25, 2020 5:58 PM  

The police in Kenosha were obviously ordered to allow the rioting and looting to proceed

They allowed the destruction of businesses and a church, but drew the line at the courthouse, where they used a sonic cannon to back them off. Shows what they consider important.

Three cops, couldn't control the situation and shot a man, who was walking away from them

And reaching into a car, according to locals. A man for whom they had a warrant, and they were there because he was accused of beating a woman. I'm no fan of the cops, but they didn't just plug some innocent bystander.

people of color

You have to go back.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 25, 2020 6:09 PM  

Another idea about long guns for defense, the lever action. Can be had in .357 and 44 mag handgun rounds.
Must be used while blaring the Marty Robbins song Big Iron.

Blogger MichaelJMaier August 25, 2020 6:11 PM  

Funny.... that same "anti-BLM homeowner" video is linked to as being in Wisconsin AND Pennsylvania! Can't decide which line of BS to use, BLM?

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 25, 2020 6:38 PM  

Umnnh.....those are not exclusively Kenosha rioters. Plenty of cars were coming south from Milwaukee & Racine and north from Chicago.

And they've promised to bring more tonight. A curfew has been declared, which means only rioters will be allowed on the streets. The mayor has been given emergency powers, so maybe he will take stronger measures than the governor did, which were basically nothing.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock August 25, 2020 6:39 PM  

What I've heard is that the police escalated the fight to lethal force when the guy reached into his vehicle, that is, possibly to retrieve a gun.

They should've let him go. It was a domestic, after all, and surely the bitch deserved it. Whatever is needed to protect the black man from harm, correct?

Blogger Peter August 25, 2020 6:44 PM  

As I said, we need more details to determine if I is justified but regardless the cops messed up and let it get out of hand.


@28.. you should know by now I hate the f*n police. They are organized thugs, poorly trained, tyrannical assholes. They violate their oaths to the constitution every day.

I too live in tyrannical state.. so limited capacity. The 9mm or 45 pistol is must, 12 gauge pump because you can't shot people at 100 yards anyway and nothing says leave like a 870 pump being racked. Mini 14 not bad choice but i would go with the mossberg or ruger 10 round scout 308 with short rel scope instead of the 223 mini ruger 10 rounder. Or a little old school maybe a 357 lever action like a henry.

Blogger glueballs August 25, 2020 6:46 PM  

Re: long guns for home defense

It depends on your likely scenario. I live in Chicago proper and have recently converted to 9mm for my kept-loaded long gun because my wife can shoot 9mm through a carbine and it won’t over penetrate given the old neighborhood where I live. Another advantage of my personal go-to choice, the traditional version of the Ruger Carbine 9mm w/ unthreaded barrel & 15-round mags plus holographic sight, is that its mag well accommodates my 15-round Glock mags and so our ready pistol stash can be recycled into a long gun and vice versa. We placed a large order for additional mags.

I have other compliant firearms and most are too much gun for where I live. My wife cannot shoot more than 20 gauge safely and 308 scares her, I don’t want to think how she would react without ear protection. So the Ruger Carbine in 9mm makes sense for us even if it was our sole long gun. If we lived in the countryside and needed both stopping power and range in a single platform, I’d totally go 5.56 or 6.8 Creedmore because their recoil is light.

If somehow you ever acquired a non-compliant long gun, hypothetically, say one without a serial number – you can make the receiver yourself without a serial number legally – you might wish to consider purchasing a few Calloway catchers or the like to catch spent brass. And forbid you ever had to use this non-compliant weapon, you could remove the brass catcher to destroy all of it and disassemble and destroy the gun’s barrel and bolt. This might prevent cruel treatment of you and yours in a self-defense scenario where even though you did nothing wrong the rest of society persecutes you anyway.

https://www.caldwellshooting.com/range-gear/brass-catchers/ar-pic-rail-brass-catcher/530143.html#start=1

Good luck, just get something you can shoot for now and then practice.

Blogger eclecticme August 25, 2020 7:11 PM  

I drove looking a World of Wireless store in St. Paul, near Snelling and University. Gone. Likely looted at the least. Right near there was Midway Used and Rare Books. No broken windows or looting. Weird huh?

Blogger rikjames.313 August 25, 2020 7:15 PM  

Tallen wrote:Homeowner charged, disarmed by the police the protestors are whinging about. Protestors return. In response, homeowners point out the homes of local police officers for first torching. Oh by the way their kids are at home thanks to the Kung Flu. Cops stop responding to anything in attempt to protect their families. Homeowners now have free rein to do what the police won't. The joys of shortsightedness.

In the Detroit metro area police command officer mostly live on Grosse Isle, a former navy air station with two bridges and lots of local cops they control.

Blogger Josh Brown August 25, 2020 7:15 PM  

On a trip abroad I took a peek at the land my grandfather's grandfather left in 1840 looking for a better opportunity. He made the right decision. But I do get that "oh I am back home" feeling when ever so briefly these days I might find myself back in the small country town and region in which I grew up, before moving to a large coastal city for university and work.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 25, 2020 7:22 PM  

Yes

Blogger SmokeyJoe August 25, 2020 7:31 PM  

BAH! So much word soup! The Supreme Being told us, "By their actions you shall know them." 'Bout time to take action. 'Nuff said.

Blogger Unknown August 25, 2020 7:32 PM  

Not really worried about capacity. Hang for a penny hang for a pound.

Blogger Unknown August 25, 2020 7:36 PM  

Got the pistols covered for quite some time. Couldnt justify the expense for a long gun earlier.


Blogger Unknown August 25, 2020 7:50 PM  

Im not moving. I live less than 20 miles from where some of my ancestors landed in 1620. I also live less than 20 miles where some of my other ancestors lived when the glaciers were just receding.

My family tree lived here through small pox, king philips war, and the revolutionary war that followed. Unless I get a sweet deal on some land somewhere, Im confident I'll outlast the sjws when the grid goes down

Blogger Hammerli 280 August 25, 2020 7:52 PM  

One other point - get a pair of earplugs. Shooting thugs is noisy work.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams August 25, 2020 7:53 PM  

With out reading a single news article, I'd the guess "unarmed black man" was a career criminal in the middle of another crime.

They never burn down businesses when a toddler is killed in a drive by.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 25, 2020 8:06 PM  

Kenosha, huh? Can't tell if the invaders came from Chicongo or Milwaukee.

Blogger Happy Camper August 25, 2020 8:58 PM  

Rooftop Koreans during the 92 riots were approached by the LAPD, and told they shouldn't be doing that.

The Koreans responded they had no choice since the cops weren't protecting them.



Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 25, 2020 9:16 PM  

Unknownsailor wrote:Head thee on to gun broker and try to find a Lee Enfield SMLE, a No 1 Mk III should run you about $350 or so, and those were about the fastest bolt guns ever made, and .303 Brit is not a pipsqueak cartridge. They also have removable 10 round magazines, so try to pick up a few spares.
Good advice. The Lee Enfield has a slick action, and is a pleasure to shoot.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim August 25, 2020 9:20 PM  

Their complaints are completely without merit. They lionize depraved criminals, then burn their own communities down. This is not a culture one can reason with. Death by cop is a tiny fraction of their causes of death. Meanwhile, they rape, torture, murder white people in far greater numbers.
Only demons appreciate that.

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 25, 2020 9:24 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:Apparently Herschel F-ing Walker is the GOP's latest Magic Negro. These people make me nauseous.

Herschel is a personal friend of the god-Emperor, and has leaned right as long as I've been aware. University of Georgia fans love Herschel, and Trump will win Georgia by 30 points now instead of the 20 he would have.

Everyone knows the god-Emperor is a civ-nat. Once they do the post mortem on the election, we'll see if Trump's landslide was helped by an increased black vote. In any case, the boomers will feel better about voting for Trump with a lot a black people on stage saying nice things about him. Optics matter.

Blogger Guy Incognito August 25, 2020 9:40 PM  

That's my take right now. I'm still fighting my civnat programming, but it's becoming increasingly obvious how screwed my city is.

My city has seen a massive influx of Chicago diversity, over the past decade, and most of the old neighborhoods I remember as a kid are now becoming unlivable.

My wife sold something on Facebook a year ago and the lady asked her if she could drop it off. She got to the house and two blocks down the street a couple of yoots decided to start shooting at each other.

My kids were in the car with me.

As we sped away I told her "never again, I don't care how much somebody begs you to drop something off. We aren't coming to this side of town again."

It's always the same thing now.

Some fella between the ages of 12 and 30 decides to shoot another fella and everybody pretends this is just something that's always happened.

Blogger A trite re-white August 25, 2020 9:41 PM  

Music to my ears.

Blogger braq August 25, 2020 9:44 PM  

Ugh, I come to this blog to get AWAY from the gammatard bs commentary!

>The cops screwed up. Three cops, couldn't control the situation and shot a man, who was walking away from them, 7 shots point blank range in the back - not a great look for law enforcement. Not complying with the cops might be a crime, but is not a shooting offense. We obviously don't know what the details yet past the video so we cant really comment intelligently.

Peter YOU need more information, but anyone who has looked into this in the slightest knows the cops were 100% justified in shooting that rapist non-compliant scumbag. See for example this video or this one. Don't shit in the pool here unless or until you bother doing a modicum of research.

Blogger WS4E August 25, 2020 9:44 PM  

Time for some roofamericans(tm) to take the high ground and drop some of them.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 25, 2020 9:50 PM  

My Boomer hubby told me that both of his Boomer brothers and two Boomer friends asked him if he had seen the Walker speech. They were fawning all over it. Nothing the Conservacucks love more than a negro parroting their talking points.
Disgusting. I threw a few gallons of cold water on all of it. They all just loooove me so much.

Blogger American Nationalist August 25, 2020 9:53 PM  

Shooting warning shots is NEVER a good idea. It's a waste of ammo, you risk shooting an innocent person, and you don't actually manage to kill any globalist scum.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 25, 2020 9:56 PM  

I don't like cops. I hate cucks like you a million times more. What is your major damage? Whites are killed by cops exponentially more than negroes and you don't see white people burning down their cities every time some meth head gets smoked.
Disgusting.

Blogger Stilicho August 25, 2020 10:00 PM  

@Peter their complaints are without merit. Everyone knows it, especially those complaining. Go spread your lies elsewhere, no one here believes your BS.

Blogger ToTheRightRon August 25, 2020 10:12 PM  

Before you take the advice to get a Garand or if you are considering the 12 gauge I recommend going someplace where you can shoot them both.
Personally I'd take the Ruger all day long over both of them. Next to zero recoil and accurate enough farther out than any non gunny guy will find themselves shooting in a self defense scenario. The Ruger is way more practical for close quarter combat than either the Garand or 12 gauge. The Garand is just a stupid choice on several levels. It requires training and competence to be competent with it. It is a freaking heavy beast and is long. It uses 30-06 ammo which is not made nearly in the volume as 5.56/.223. Did I mention training and competence? It will bruise and abuse you if you fire it with bad form. Sorry for the wall of text but a Garand? WTF? It's a true battle rife not a home self defense weapon. I love my 12g Police magnum but would grab the AR over it without a second thought.

Blogger Didas Kalos August 25, 2020 10:43 PM  

@rkjames.313 Would bear spray be legal?

Blogger Tim Gilley August 25, 2020 10:53 PM  

I'm a boomer. I believe in one shot, one kill.

Blogger Bucephalus August 25, 2020 11:03 PM  

How come a unarmed white guy being shot never gets filmed? I mean it happens, so where’s the footage? There’s always a camera around when shitavious gets it.

Blogger Crew August 25, 2020 11:17 PM  

Meanwhile the talking heads in the media are pointing out that the RNC seems to be a family affair ...

Are we seeing the beginning of the transition from democracy to monarchy?

Blogger @klosnet August 25, 2020 11:35 PM  

Great deals on culturally enriched real estate as well!
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5210-14th-Ave-Kenosha-WI-53140/40328846_zpid/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 26, 2020 12:29 AM  

As a collector of military bolt-action rifles, I'm telling you these guys are full of it. For your first long gun, buy an AR-15 or if you REALLY REALLY REALLY need to feel special, an AR-10.
You will spend less money to get a better, more usable, more accurate and most importantly more maintainable rifle. You will never be unable to get ammo for it.
If you already have an AR-15, then you might want to consider an AR-pattern .22lr or a pistol calibre carbine. Both are tons of fun and cheap for practice with.
Specifically, an SMLE is a terrible gun for a beginner. .303Br is a very capable round, but it will beat the hell out of you. I'm a practiced shooter, and I can get about 10 rounds out of my SMLE before I start flinching. If you can get ammo (by no means a given in the current year), it will run you over $1 per round.
The Garand is a fine rifle for bench shooting, but you really don't want pack one around. They are a pain in the butt to maintain, expensive to shoot and is in every way except power delivered on target a less capable rifle than a decent quality AR-15.

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 26, 2020 1:05 AM  

And still soccer moms and independent women jog obliviously in every city in this country. Still have pleasant mundane chats on facebook. Still can get a healthy salad with curbside.

Fellas this never changes until these bitc4es feel what is going on. Then and only then will the fight back be real. You get enough women's eyes open to this, there will be no stopping the fascist carnage that will ensue on the elephants in the room.

Blogger Jack Amok August 26, 2020 1:08 AM  

As a collector of military bolt-action rifles, I'm telling you these guys are full of it. For your first long gun, buy an AR-15

Agreed. Completely. A Garand was a fantastic weapon for it's day, and I loooooove the .30-06, but if you think you need to go rooftopping, an AR is the obvious choice. It's the closest thing you're likely to get your hands on to a modern battle rifle. A 5.56 round will go through body armor just fine. If you're planning on shooting up cement block houses, I suppose a .30-06 would be better than an AR, but if you're shooting up cement block houses, maybe you've made a strategic blunder.

Blogger Johnny Reb August 26, 2020 1:10 AM  

As already mentioned, 12 Gauge has its perks, but if I could only have one, I'd probably go with a Mini-14, for the reasons already mentioned.

Blogger Johnny Reb August 26, 2020 1:20 AM  

I'd go with a Garand over a Lee Enfield to be honest. They may be more expensive, but 30-06 ammo should still be easier to find than .303 British, since 30-06 is mostly a hunting cartridge these days.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock August 26, 2020 1:33 AM  

@83 - Because the white guy's lawyers know releasing it will won't incite the sort of braindead "outrage" it does in the poor lil' negro cases.

@71 - Them Dawgs is hell don't they?

Blogger Noah B. August 26, 2020 1:39 AM  

The AR platform is only as good as the mags you use, so stick with PMAG, USGI, Lancer, or HK and you'll be fine. Some others like Thermolds and MFT are hit and miss and there are several newer varieties I have no experience with. If you still happen to have USA brand mags, for the AR or any other platform, you would be wise to replace those. Please don't dump them on some unsuspecting noob who might be a friendly.

Blogger Guy Jean August 26, 2020 1:45 AM  

Interesting to compare the homeowner who fired the warning shots (bold, decisive action at a key moment) with the dithering of the Portland PD here: https://youtu.be/wMe2hou_sgE A dangerous mob is a dangerous mob, regardless of their colour.

Blogger Jack Amok August 26, 2020 1:46 AM  

As far as the RNC went, the funniest take was someone - when Nick Sandmmann was speaking - saying "hey, the highest paid person at CNN is speaking at the RNC!."

But Abby Johnson's speech was hard to hear. Very hard. For those out of the loop, she's a former Planned Parenthood mid-wig who is now strongly pro-life because of what she saw. The hardest part was when she described a sonogram guided abortion she was asked to assist on. She talked about the baby fighting to avoid the... well...

Kid's not even born yet and fighting harder than fucking Mitt fucking Romney or John Fucking Roberts or any of the other cuckservatives selling out to the globalists.

I'm not big on conventions, and yeah, there's a lot of civnattery, but this is body blows. There's an old saying about not having a heart if your a conservative before 30 and not having a brain if you're a liberal after, but this convention is pointing out you have neither a heart or a brain if you're a liberal at all.

Blogger CoolHand August 26, 2020 1:49 AM  

This is what I do for a living, and Snidely has the right of it, 100%.

Only a retard or a bowtie commando would recommend a full length bolt gun for a home defense rifle, much less one chambered in a ridiculously obscure cartridge like 303 Brit.

Buy an AR pistol with a 10.5" barrel and an adjustable brace and be done with it. Skip all the whiz bang optic shit and learn to love your irons. Use the money you save to buy a lot of ammo and practice until you can run it in your sleep.

If you can't get an AR pistol by law, a Ruger Mini-14 is a reasonable substitute, but BARELY. IMO the better bet is one of those mutant AR's with traditional furniture, I forget who makes them, and they're goofy looking, but the overall action is the same, just no "evil" assualty features to make the law scolds wet themselves.

If you want a shotgun to go with your AR, get a Mossberg Shockwave with a pistol brace on it. 14" barrel, 5rd mag tube, just over 26" end to end. Remington makes an 870 in the same configuration, and both makers have semi-auto versions of same too (but they're high dollar for what they are).

SMLE...

SMDH

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 26, 2020 1:55 AM  

Stop sperging on gins and stay on topic for once. Ffs

Blogger SmokeyJoe August 26, 2020 2:09 AM  

@American Nationalist "Shooting warning shots is NEVER a good idea."

Shoot to "win" first! Then, after the situation is "fixed", fire a warning shot into the ceiling/floor/whatever. Ain't nobody duckin' n' divin' gonna know what the hell you fired first or last. But of course, those of us on the jury, will just know you DID fire a warning shot! Wink wink, nudge nudge...

Blogger Unknown August 26, 2020 2:14 AM  

13. Peter August 25, 2020 2:56 PM
so we cant really comment intelligently.


if you are unaware that a motor vehicle is considered a Lethal Weapon, capable of carrying and concealing other Lethal Weapons then you are correct.

you have no intelligent comments to make.



13. Peter August 25, 2020 2:56 PM
you will get a few warning shots :) -- the homeowner did the right thing and probable saved lives.


most jurisdictions have ordinances against Negligent Discharge and Brandishing Weapons.

what differentiates between Self Defense and a Brandishing or ND prosecution?

firing "warning shots" indicates that the person wielding the weapon DOES NOT CONSIDER HIS LIFE TO BE AT IMMEDIATE RISK.

congratulations, you've just walked yourself face first into a jail sentence.



26. Gen. Kong August 25, 2020 4:29 PM
The police in Kenosha


answer to a Demonrat Mayor.



32. ThatWouldBeTelling August 25, 2020 4:56 PM
Something like that is reported to have happened in a rural Pennsylvania town of slightly more than 300 people.


those are the same idiots who got arrested in Columbia City Indiana. they're getting pretty close to leaving US-30 ( which goes to Philly ) so they can transition down to DC. if they try to take I-70 south out of Breezewood, they're liable to get arrested for hiking on an interstate.

32. ThatWouldBeTelling August 25, 2020 4:56 PM
I've read such a concept doesn't really exist for domestic groups.



go ask the Michigan Militias and Tea Party groups if the that's true.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 26, 2020 2:24 AM  

BTW, a google search of "Connecticut-legal AR-15" shows several manufacturers of CT-legal AR variants.

Blogger Linus August 26, 2020 5:28 AM  

Garands are fun as hell to shoot, but nobody who actually owned one and had put a ton of rounds through it would recommend it for home defense. It's heavy, it's long, it kicks pretty good (fun on the range, less fun in your home), and the loading of the clips, both with ammo, and then into the breech, is tedious and difficult, even when you have experience. An AR is preferable every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Blogger map August 26, 2020 5:35 AM  

An Enfield? A Garand? What...recommend a Mosin-Nagant next? A shotgun where you rack slides as a warning? C'mon people.

The only guns you should be buying are guns that are common and that are used by police and military all over the world. For a semi-auto handgun, any 9mm that fires over 1120 fps, including the +P hollow point ammo, the .40, the 10mm and the .357Sig. Makes sure the bullet has a proper ogive so it feeds correctly, like an FMJ round.

Do not buy .45. They are too slow. You want very fast ammo because the speed aids in the expansion of the hollow point. No 1911's for self-defense because they are not reliable. I've had many of them stovepipe on me at the range.

No shotguns. The noise is deafening and within the confines and distance of a home, a shotgun will take off the head and half the torso. You will have a biohazard in your home.

No carbines. The overall size is too big for the round that you are firing. What is the point of a 9mm carbine?

No 30-06 or .308. Those guns are powerful enough to put a round through the wall and into your neighbor's house.

The 5.56 mm AR-15 is ideal for a rifle. That bullet will kill anything, but its mass is light enough that it quickly loses energy as it passes through wood, concrete, metal, etc. Do not buy the pistol versions. Their short barrels can be misconstrued as an SBR, which could lead to NFA violations. Get a red-dot sight for easy target acquisition and whatever adjustable furniture you need for any other shooters in the house.

For women, guns are very personal so your wife or girlfriend should try any number of pistols to see what she likes to shoot. The easiest to fire is all-steel mid-size handgun firing the Federal HST 9mm +P hollow point round. The weight will absorb recoil making it comfortable to shoot. The Federal HST will stop anything. Any woman can fairly easily shoot and manipulate an AR-15.

Do not buy AR's that are piston-driven.

The overall best package is the AR-15 combined with a Glock 19 sidearm, assuming you like shooting the Glock.


Blogger map August 26, 2020 5:36 AM  

Palmetto Armory is excellent for AR-15 kits.

Anonymous Anonymous August 26, 2020 6:26 AM  

Are we seeing the beginning of the transition from democracy to monarchy?

No.

We're seeing the monarchy re-emerging from hiding. We've never had a democracy. It is a lie designed to pacify us and encourage our submission.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 26, 2020 7:10 AM  

Pretty much all the latest comments are completely ignoring what the original guy asked, specifically:

@17 Unknown:

So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14. ( live in a commie state, can't get ARs or AKs

He's got handguns, he's got home defense locked down. He's going to get one long gun, and he says an AR is not an option, something I'll take his word for. They're also pretty hard to find right now.

@80 ToTheRightRon

Before you take the advice to get a Garand or if you are considering the 12 gauge I recommend going someplace where you can shoot them both.

Now this is good advice, we're assuming Unknown will tolerate battle rifle round recoil.

The Garand is just a stupid choice on several levels. It requires training and competence to be competent with it. It is a freaking heavy beast and is long. It uses 30-06 ammo....

See if you can get one chambered in .308, I had mine refurbished by Fulton Armory including a barrel change, which would take too long in the current situation. But the weight, and it is heavy, helps to make the recoil more tolerable.

Did I mention training and competence? It will bruise and abuse you if you fire it with bad form.

Whichever single long gun he gets, he needs to do that.

@90 Johnny Reb:

I'd go with a Garand over a Lee Enfield to be honest. They may be more expensive, but 30-06 ammo should still be easier to find than .303 British, since 30-06 is mostly a hunting cartridge these days.

You need ammo that fits a certain profile of energy, speed of the powder etc. for a Garand. I wouldn't expect any random .30-06 hunting round to fit that, and something other than FMJ or OTM might have feeding problems.

@100 Linus:

the loading of [Garand] clips, both with ammo, and then into the breech, is tedious and difficult, even when you have experience.

The former, yes, but if you're going to do some "serious social work" you're probably going to do it with the clips you've already loaded with rounds. I call BS on the latter, putting a new clip into the Garand is fast and easy. The en bloc system it uses has its problems, but feeding lots of ammo fast into it is not one of them; by the 21st round, possibly faster than changing a 20 round box magazine.

@101 map

Do not buy .45. They are too slow. You want very fast ammo because the speed aids in the expansion of the hollow point. No 1911's for self-defense because they are not reliable. I've had many of them stovepipe on me at the range.

Don't buy or use cheap M1911s, I've never had one fail, but I put a lot of money into mine. And the nice thing about .45 ACP is you don't have to depend on your ammo doing tricks which might not work in for example winter if people are wearing heavy outer coats, any expansion you get it gravy, it's wide enough without that.

No shotguns. The noise is deafening and within the confines and distance of a home, a shotgun will take off the head and half the torso. You will have a biohazard in your home.

Agree with the first part, and they're too easy to wrench out of your hands. But their shot pattern doesn't expand hardly as fast enough inside the lengths of a house to achieve what you claim.

Blogger Mirko i Slavko August 26, 2020 7:47 AM  

That sweet sweet sound of hollow-point racism.

Blogger Macs August 26, 2020 9:21 AM  

If you wrestle with the police and tgen reach into your car for something they will shoot you, especially if you are a felon with gun offenses on your record.

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 9:29 AM  

Police being "brutal" is a civilized society's preferred way of dealing with the anti-social -- because the alternative is lynch mobs. Literally.

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 9:35 AM  

Vox in his recent Darkstream pointed out that, although right now it might be mostly the juice in control of the chaos and involved in the worst monstrous acts, similar evil is a common thread throughout human history and around the word, evil's always gonna evil -- but the common counter that makes evil cower is THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. So who is really behind this chaos...

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 9:37 AM  

Kenosha = YADH.
yet another dindu hoax.

"New footage shows Jacob Blake brawling with cops before being shot."

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298138566787125248 https://archive.fo/f1HzU

Blogger Avalanche August 26, 2020 9:41 AM  

@83 "There’s always a camera around when shitavious gets it."

Cause you can't win the "Ghetto lottery" (tm) if it's not on tape, and editable to make it look $$-worthy!"

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 9:42 AM  

>>> "Whites are killed by cops exponentially more than negroes and you don't see white people burning down their cities every time some meth head gets smoked."

And even more infuriating is, *Whites are demonized by every form of media exponentially more than negroes*. Which only encourages them in anti-white HATE not just anti-white fear. So frequent now, to the point where even Scott Adams is openly angry that Biden "painted a target on my back" with the race-baiting Fine People Hoax.

Noticing the "real racism" has never been easier. Only one side is untouchable and beyond criticism. What do the useful idiots think the OTHER side is going to do in response, eventually?

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 26, 2020 9:46 AM  

How come a unarmed white guy being shot never gets filmed?

It does, the media just doesn't cover it. When Arizona cop Philip Brailsford killed a prone white man with a gun with "You're fucked" etched into it, it was caught on his body cam and shown at his trial. The media didn't show it to you, and no one rioted over it. Same thing happens if it's a bystander's camera.

Brailsford was rehired so he could get his $30k/year pension, by the way.

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 9:46 AM  

Didn't RICO laws come into being to discourage GROUPS of people from doing evil as a mob, that they would never attempt in small numbers?

How is there no similar increase in penalties when physical violence is done under anoymous cover of an actual mob of physical people!? Especially in this day and age of facial recognition, I just don't get this more than 2 months of consequence-free open war...

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 9:49 AM  

When I saw that was Michael Tracey twitter I wondered for a moment but then I saw he was just sharing this:
https://twitter.com/rawsmedia/status/1298078919527202816
At least most of the replies aren't brainwashed NPCs.

Blogger Avalanche August 26, 2020 9:57 AM  

@109 "footage shows Jacob Blake brawling with cops "

Never makes a d@mned bit of difference, does it? Wave a 'black' flag in front of the mobs and they charge....

Blogger Avalanche August 26, 2020 9:59 AM  

@111 "What do the useful idiots think the OTHER side is going to do in response, eventually?"

Think? THINK? There's not thinking going on over there...

Blogger Johnny Reb August 26, 2020 10:06 AM  

"Don't buy or use cheap M1911s, I've never had one fail, but I put a lot of money into mine. And the nice thing about .45 ACP is you don't have to depend on your ammo doing tricks which might not work in for example winter if people are wearing heavy outer coats, any expansion you get it gravy, it's wide enough without that."
Exactly what I was thinking. A well made 1911 such as a Kimber shouldn't have reliability issues as long as you do your part. Good 1911's are also very accurate pistols.

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 10:14 AM  

It is never as simple as "shot in the back while innocently walking away". Mockingbird legacy media in the first 6 hours ALWAYS lies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/amp/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 10:15 AM  

Wrong Saloon Syndrome

Blogger Darren August 26, 2020 10:26 AM  

It's been a one-sided war for a few months. No longer.

The other side, long demonized by every form of media (despite superhuman restraint and patience in the hopes of non-violent end to the chaos) is now starting to shoot back in self defense.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-blm-protesters-shot-homeowners-while-marching-through-rural-pennsylvania-town

^ Such a large # of comments makes it ripe for feds encouraging *initiating* violence though.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 26, 2020 10:28 AM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:Pretty much all the latest comments are completely ignoring what the original guy asked, specifically:

@17 Unknown:

So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14. ( live in a commie state, can't get ARs or AKs

In addition, he needs advice that takes into account that everything tacticool is out of stock, and most common calibers of ammunition are bought out, with whatever little bit is available costing $1 a round and up. The dude doesn't know what's what, that's why he's asking.

So, Garands and SMLEs aren't tacticool, are probably still on the shelves. The ammunition is expensive, but right now it's all expensive. This dude doesn't need much ammunition, anyway. Two boxes is probably all that's on the shelf, and his problems will probably be solved before he's shot them all.

For the folks who are bitchin' that the Garand is heavy, I have two responses:
1) He's not talking about carrying this through the mountains all day, every day, he's planning on using this at home, and will probably never carry it further than from the car to the front door. Heavier is better: less felt recoil, faster second shot.
2) Ya'll are pussies. I have carried my Garand into the mountains, through bear country. The weight never bothered me enough to put a sling on it. Maybe that's because I'm 30-50 pounds lighter than most folks my height. Maybe ya'll are just pussies.

For the folks who are bitchin' about recoil, the Garand softens the recoil nicely. The SMLE will hurt, so get a slip on rubber recoil sleeve or just duct tape some foam onto the butt. Heavy dampens the recoil. I'm very sensitive to recoil, flinch easily, so I really like the heavy Garand with the rounded edges on the steel butt plate and the gas action.

Most 150 grain white box 30-06 factory loads will function in a Garand without bending your op rod. Spend $30 and 30 seconds to install an adjustable gas cylinder plug, and you can shoot almost anything.

I wouldn't recommend the Mosin, though most of them are long enough to make a decent polearm. Mine aren't slick, fast shooting actions, and they aren't any cheaper than the crappy old bubba-ed SMLEs that are still on the shelf in the local gun shop.

I own Garands, SMLEs, Mosins, Mini-14s, Mossberg and Remington 12gas and even one AR. I would recommend the Garand, the SMLE or the 12ga, if you had to buy one long gun and ammunition, right NOW, from stock in some random gun shop in some commie state.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 26, 2020 10:32 AM  

Darren wrote:How is there no similar increase in penalties when physical violence is done under anoymous cover of an actual mob of physical people!?
Those mobs are government-sponsored mobs, protected by your enemies the police, under orders from your enemy the government. That's why there are no penalties, let alone increased penalties.

The mobs are murderous, psychopathic street theater, put on by commies wherever they have power.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 26, 2020 10:46 AM  

Darren wrote:I just don't get this more than 2 months of consequence-free open war...
This is intentional on the part of local officials. They want a few deaths to spice things ups. They somehow think this is helping Biden.

Blogger PJW Gent August 26, 2020 11:40 AM  

Good "sjw-proof" defense for shooting your shotgun into the air as a warning to the mob who might come to your house and then racking the shotgun for a second shot afterwhich you reload for the spent shot: "Isn't this what VP Biden said I should do?" ;-)

Blogger Noah B. August 26, 2020 12:10 PM  

Do not buy .45. They are too slow. You want very fast ammo because the speed aids in the expansion of the hollow point. No 1911's for self-defense because they are not reliable. I've had many of them stovepipe on me at the range.

I'm generally a 9mm guy these days, but even with ball ammo, .45 is still a highly effective round despite the lower velocity. In a standard 1911 with quality ammo, you can deliver accurate fire at much greater ranges than you can with 9mm. And the combination of a quality 1911 and good ammo (properly tested, of course) will give you excellent reliability. It's one thing to have preferences, quite another to tell someone that their rig is no good.

And blanket telling people not to get 12 gauge, .30 caliber, piston ARs, Garands, etc. is bunk. These are all proven platforms with the potential to be reliable and effective, and for some applications each of these choices is unequivocally the best. Going to be running an AR with a can on it? A quality piston AR is the way to go. Need range and/or improved penetration against vehicles, buildings, body armor? One of the .30 caliber options is preferable to the AR. Want a single long gun with the least risk of overpenetration at close range while also having the ability to fire at long range? You want the shotgun. Options are limited for many people and being prepared to defend yourself and your family now is more important than waiting for the perfect solution.

But to be clear, for most self defense purposes my long gun of choice is an AR or AK.

Blogger PJW Gent August 26, 2020 12:54 PM  

Re: "improved penetration against vehicles, buildings, body armor?"
That's what my lever action 45-70 is for with high velocity Lever Revolution ammo. Accurately scoped and tested out to 300 yards. What body armor?

I chose the Israeli Tavor over the AR primarily because it is a bullpup and is better in close quarter activity, with decent longer range accuracy. It also shoots both NATO and standard 223 widening my ammo choices.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 26, 2020 2:21 PM  

PJW Gent wrote:That's what my lever action 45-70 is for with high velocity Lever Revolution ammo. Accurately scoped and tested out to 300 yards. What body armor?
I was in the ammo store a few weeks ago. Shelves were pretty bare, not much selection and higher than normal prices. I got three boxes of 45-70 on sale for half normal price. People who are panicking aren't jonesing for 45-70.

It's good to have guns chambered for the common calibers. It's also good to have some chambered for oddball calibers, because when the shelves are bare of the common stuff, there will likely still be some of the uncommon stuff.

Blogger Bobbicus August 26, 2020 2:50 PM  

Damn some of y'all are Boomer AF.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:
So, Garands and SMLEs aren't tacticool, are probably still on the shelves. The ammunition is expensive, but right now it's all expensive. This dude doesn't need much ammunition, anyway. Two boxes is probably all that's on the shelf, and his problems will probably be solved before he's shot them all.

Then get an M1 carbine. Far more versatile, far easier to shoot, cheaper ammo and you don't have to worry about blowing your gun up with the wrong load.

For the folks who are bitchin' that the Garand is heavy, I have two responses:

1) He's not talking about carrying this through the mountains all day, every day, he's planning on using this at home, and will probably never carry it further than from the car to the front door. Heavier is better: less felt recoil, faster second shot.


What if something goes down and he needs to take his gun in his car? It's not just weight, it's useability - especially if this is his only rifle.

2) Ya'll are pussies. I have carried my Garand into the mountains, through bear country. The weight never bothered me enough to put a sling on it. Maybe that's because I'm 30-50 pounds lighter than most folks my height. Maybe ya'll are just pussies.

And maybe you've never employed a rifle in a serious tactical environment, or a non-permissive one where you don't want to announce to the world that you're armed. Hiking through the mountains != sprinting from cover to cover. Look at the guy that just shot three dudes coming at him from different directions on the ground. How do you think that would have played out with a Garand? I'm assuming he wants a rifle because of all the civil unrest - a dynamic environment prone to sudden shifts.

For the folks who are bitchin' about recoil, the Garand softens the recoil nicely. The SMLE will hurt, so get a slip on rubber recoil sleeve or just duct tape some foam onto the butt. Heavy dampens the recoil.

All that weight and length makes it difficult to get on target, transition between targets, shoot and scoot, etc. Real life shooting during SHTF moments != plinking away at the range at a static target from your nice bench rest.


I own Garands, SMLEs, Mosins, Mini-14s, Mossberg and Remington 12gas and even one AR. I would recommend the Garand, the SMLE or the 12ga, if you had to buy one long gun and ammunition, right NOW, from stock in some random gun shop in some commie state.


I own and restore surplus guns, and I love them. I also use firearms professionally. I strongly recommend you not buy surplus guns for serious use. Unless you know what to look for it's easy to buy one that's been ran rough and put away wet. The "one gun to rule them all" is an AR-15. It's the standard for dudes who kill other dudes for a living for a reason. There are many, many platforms which are better for certain tasks or in certain conditions, but for only one gun? AR-15 pistol. 11.5" barrel, variable 1-4x optic. Check your local laws, sometimes the idiots who write these things ban AR rifles but AR pistols are perfectly fine. If still no joy, then any pistol or rifle caliber carbine with ample mags and ammo is your best bet.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 26, 2020 3:16 PM  

@127 Ominous Cowherd

Did you see any 6.5mm Creedmoor? I was surprised to see 3 types of that stocked at my local Walmart Supercenter some time ago, underlines how popular it's become very quickly as these things go.

This is a caliber to possibly look for in the current scarcity situation, especially in a hunting style bolt action, has some solid advantages over .308/7.62 NATO (which, if you don't know about the caliber, you probably won't be able to take advantage of any time soon, like shooting out to 1,000 yards or so), with lighter recoil for those who can't tolerate ~.30 battle rifle rounds (it's somewhat derived from the old 6.5×55mm Swedish service round, with similar advantages in a shorter package that fits modern form factors).

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 26, 2020 6:50 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:Did you see any 6.5mm Creedmoor?
Four weeks back the ammo store still had cases of 6.5 Creedmoor in stock. I bought two. Last trip to town, they didn't.
Bobbicus wrote:Then get an M1 carbine. Far more versatile, far easier to shoot, cheaper ammo and you don't have to worry about blowing your gun up with the wrong load.
That's a good idea, but those guns fetch crazy collectors prices, and I haven't seen one in a gun store in years. Otherwise a great choice, similar to the Mini-14.
Bobbicus wrote:The "one gun to rule them all" is an AR-15. It's the standard for dudes who kill other dudes for a living for a reason.
That reason is that their employer buys it for them, trains them on it, and it's the only thing they know. There's other stuff, and some is better, but Uncle Sam buys whatever comes with the biggest kickbacks.

Anyway, tacticool is generally out of stock right now, so if you want to buy RIGHT NOW, you probably won't find an AR-anything.

Blogger map August 26, 2020 7:38 PM  

Unknown wrote:So what's the concensus for a one and only long arm? 12 gauge or mini 14. ( live in a commie state, can't get ARs or AKs

Ahhh...should have read this.

Get the Mini-14 in .223. The mini has a large aftermarket in stocks and other elements so you can customize this gun.

Blogger map August 26, 2020 11:48 PM  

Noah B. wrote:And blanket telling people not to get 12 gauge, .30 caliber, piston ARs, Garands, etc. is bunk. These are all proven platforms with the potential to be reliable and effective, and for some applications each of these choices is unequivocally the best.

The question boils down to what is best to equip yourself with when a Zombie apocalypse is approaching.

1) If you are running out of choices, then you take what you can get.

2) If you have choices, then you focus on common military weapons in common calibers. You build from the bullet, to the magazine, and, finally, to the platform.

The most common bullets in the Western world is the 9mm, the 5.56mm and the 7.62 x 51mm. The 9mm handgun is the most personalized and the one you have to practice with the most to decide what you like shooting. That said, you should always have a Glock 19, because the Glock 19 is a very common gun. Police forces carry it and you will always find parts for it.

The second factor is the magazine. The Glock magazine is very common, as is the AR-15 PMAG. Glock and AR15 magazines fit into all manner of carbines and rifles. The Tavor uses it and Keltec makes guns that use Glock and AR magazines.

What's great about Glocks and AR's is that they are so common, you can assemble them from parts from different manufacturers. This custom tailoring allows you to adapt to all kinds of functions, while still being standardized.

I don't like pistons because they are proprietary to the manufacturer and the AR15 was not designed to run a piston. This is a retrofit with different designs. If you want a piston rifle, buy an AK or anything designed from the start to be piston-driven. As for running a can, a silencer, go to Lewis Machine Tool or Knights Armament. They supply the spec-ops people. None of their canned AR's use pistons. It's all gas-impingement.

I don't like shotguns because this whole "racking slide" nonsense. If anything, the shotgun should be in semi-auto, not some derivative cowboy gun. Besides, military using the shotgun as a breaching tool only.

So, you have widest choice in 9mm, handgun, but the rifle should be at least interchangeable with an AR magazine, and, when you get to 7.62, then you running something similar to the Army's M24, a Remington Model 700 bolt-action rifle.

If by necessity you have to deviate, well, that's fine. And always TRY THE GUNS YOU'RE ARE BUYING. It's astonishing what you discover what works for you.

Blogger Jack Amok August 27, 2020 12:24 AM  

Map, your firearms knowledge is fubar.

The 1911 is a very reliable design. If you're having malf trouble, you either have a poorly made cheap version, or it hasn't been properly maintained. Maybe you have the wrong spring in it. But whatever reliability problems you're having , it isn't the design's fault. And the .45ACP is not "too slow." What kind of bullshit YouTube videos have you been watching? There are a couple of legitimate criticism of the M1911, like magazine capacity and difficulty in concealed carry, but nothing you said against it is true.

And this baloney about 30-06 going through walls while 5.56 is "light enough" it won't? Have you ever tested this? 5.56 will go through your wall, your neighbor's wall, several interior walls, and out the back of your neighbor's house with enough energy to kill someone. Even a frangible round will penetrate your neighbor's house and a few interior walls with enough energy to kill.

(and the rest of you - keep that in mind if you think you can "take cover" at your window sill. Anyone with a rifle can just riddle the wall beneath the window. Unless you live in a cinderblock house, your house does not provide cover)

Shotguns are too loud inside? So is anything not silenced.

Find some better YouTubers man.

Blogger Unknown August 27, 2020 8:35 AM  

133. Jack Amok August 27, 2020 12:24 AM
Shotguns are too loud inside? So is anything not silenced.


i like how he complained about shotgun noise
...
and then recommended a supersonic round like 5.56

Blogger Jack Amok August 27, 2020 12:03 PM  

...if you had to buy one long gun and ammunition, right NOW, from stock in some random gun shop in some commie state.

If you haven't bought and familiarized yourself with something before now, perhaps your best bet would be to find some other way of contributing. This will come across more condescending than I mean it to be, but if you haven't taken steps to arm yourself before now, you probably aren't really the type who should be doing this.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 27, 2020 1:57 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:... if you haven't taken steps to arm yourself before now, you probably aren't really the type who should be doing this.
Probably the best advise in the entire thread.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 27, 2020 4:29 PM  

@136 Ominous Cowherd:

Jack Amok wrote:
... if you haven't taken steps to arm yourself before now, you probably aren't really the type who should be doing this.

Probably the best advise in the entire thread.


Except he later clarifies:

@63. Unknown
Got the pistols covered for quite some time. Couldnt justify the expense for a long gun earlier.


If he's any good with his handguns, a long gun should be easy to move up to, as long as he can handle its recoil.

Blogger Bobbicus August 27, 2020 4:35 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:
Bobbicus wrote:Then get an M1 carbine.

That's a good idea, but those guns fetch crazy collectors prices, and I haven't seen one in a gun store in years. Otherwise a great choice, similar to the Mini-14.


Yeah, I'm lucky that I've seen some Inland reproductions locally for ~$800. Still expensive. That said, the "optics" have actually come in handy. Black rifles scary, wood rifles are fine. Sometimes it really is all about image, and "grandpa used this to kill Nazis!" can mean more than it should.

Bobbicus wrote:The "one gun to rule them all" is an AR-15. It's the standard for dudes who kill other dudes for a living for a reason

That reason is that their employer buys it for them, trains them on it, and it's the only thing they know. There's other stuff, and some is better, but Uncle Sam buys whatever comes with the biggest kickbacks.

Valid point. As a side effect though, there's an incredibly wide breadth of armorer knowledge/platform specific training/accessories/etc readily available for this platform, along with plenty of real world proof that it works. Dvorak is more efficient than QWERTY, but you're going to get alot more ROI learning to touch type QWERTY.

Anyway, tacticool is generally out of stock right now, so if you want to buy RIGHT NOW, you probably won't find an AR-anything.

Yep, but if you can operate a jig and a drill press 80% build kits are available in pretty much any configuration you could want. They also don't require an FFL. Including all the tools you need you can build a single AR for ~$600-800. Ammo is still expensive, though, and please check your local and federal laws before manufacturing firearms.


Jack Amok wrote:
The 1911 is a very reliable design. If you're having malf trouble, you either have a poorly made cheap version, or it hasn't been properly maintained. Maybe you have the wrong spring in it. But whatever reliability problems you're having , it isn't the design's fault.


Unless you've got a 3" barrel. Still not St. Browning's fault, but those are notoriously unreliable. A better criticism of the 1911 is that there are better, more modern designs available for cheaper.

And this baloney about 30-06 going through walls while 5.56 is "light enough" it won't? Have you ever tested this? 5.56 will go through your wall, your neighbor's wall, several interior walls, and out the back of your neighbor's house with enough energy to kill someone. Even a frangible round will penetrate your neighbor's house and a few interior walls with enough energy to kill... Unless you live in a cinderblock house, your house does not provide cover)
Cover != concealment. This is also the reason why one of the Cardinal Gun Rules is "know your target and what is behind it."

Shotguns are too loud inside? So is anything not silenced.
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Quiet Gun. Any firearm worth a damn is going to exceed OSHA standards for hearing damage, especially indoors. That's why silencers are a thing.

Find some better YouTubers man.

Some things have to be experienced. Realistic training is the best thing to spend money on. I've certainly been humbled by force-on-force training many times, all for the better.

Blogger Jack Amok August 27, 2020 6:40 PM  

If he's any good with his handguns, a long gun should be easy to move up to, as long as he can handle its recoil.

I don't want to discourage anyone from owning a firearm or preparing to defend themselves. But the time to gun up was a while ago, if you're just now getting around to thinking about a rifle, there's a mindset you're behind on developing. If you're comfortable with a handgun, focus on that.

Blogger map August 27, 2020 11:47 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:The 1911 is a very reliable design. If you're having malf trouble, you either have a poorly made cheap version, or it hasn't been properly maintained. Maybe you have the wrong spring in it. But whatever reliability problems you're having , it isn't the design's fault.

Browning was a genius. The 1911 is a wonderful shooter with the best trigger of any gun, best grip angle and very beautiful to look at. Its weight makes it very easy to shoot. The problem is that the 1911 was built at a time when guns were hand made and hand-fitted. Today, the 1911 is off-patent so anyone can make a 1911-pattern gun. Parts are run off of CNC machines, but, because the 1911 has 94 parts compared to the Glock's 34, 1911's have an issue with stacking tolerances. To increase reliability, you either need to change the tooling more often on your machine or hand-fit the parts or both. This makes 1911's more expensive. Minimum, is $800, from Colt and if you go to Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Wilson Combat, then you're talking about several thousand dollars. You should not have to pay for that kind of reliability.

Jack Amok wrote:And the .45ACP is not "too slow." What kind of bullshit YouTube videos have you been watching? There are a couple of legitimate criticism of the M1911, like magazine capacity and difficulty in concealed carry, but nothing you said against it is true.

.45ACP at 230 grains is around 900 ft/sec for ball ammunition, which you never run. To increase this velocity, you need to reduce the weight of the .45, maybe down to 200 or 185 grains or 160 grains, which defeats the purpose of running the bigger, heavier bullet. You need that velocity to open the hollowpoint so that the rounded ball shape does not pass through your perp and hit a baby a block away.

Jack Amok wrote:And this baloney about 30-06 going through walls while 5.56 is "light enough" it won't? Have you ever tested this? 5.56 will go through your wall, your neighbor's wall, several interior walls, and out the back of your neighbor's house with enough energy to kill someone. Even a frangible round will penetrate your neighbor's house and a few interior walls with enough energy to kill.

In a certain commie state I live in, to defend myself in a home, I have to lock myself in a bedroom, barricade the door with a bed, call police, and threaten anyone in my house outside of that door with arrest or being shot if they try to break in.

I can shoot them through the door if they try to break in. The AR fires a .22 caliber bullet that weights between 55 and 62 grains and it loses velocity and spin quickly and "tumbles" as it goes through the wood door, through the perp, through any other object. This tumbling is why the 5.56 does not have the range of the 7.62. in effect, at a certain point, the 5.56 hits "sideways."

Jack Amok wrote:Shotguns are too loud inside? So is anything not silenced.

It's less the sound than the blood mass you've sprayed all over your home. Using 3 1/2 inch 00 buck on someone at a bedroom distance and you will have a biohazard in your house.

Blogger Jack Amok August 28, 2020 12:40 AM  

map, quit gammaing around with this. You said 1911's weren't reliable. You got called on it, now you're saying "well, it's off-patent." So don't by cheap guns dumbass.

You said .45ACP is "too slow." Says who? That Caleb dude on GunNutz? Sounds like something that idjit would say.

Look, make your first step - stop doubling down. Nothing in your response is a response - it's all huff and puff and shifting definitions. Clearly you are interested enough in guns to get some credit on that front. Awesome. Roll with that. But you're not an expert. Not many people are. Dial it back a bit.

Blogger map August 28, 2020 3:10 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:map, quit gammaing around with this. You said 1911's weren't reliable. You got called on it, now you're saying "well, it's off-patent." So don't by cheap guns dumbass.

If a gun stovepipes on me once, then it is not reliable. Anything along fail-to-fire, fail-to-feed, fail-to-eject, is a non-starter.

Remember, this thread is in the context of offering advice to a new shooter: what should they buy? Beyond trying everything at the store, how do you narrow down what to look for this hypothetical new shooter? For a handgun, 9mm pistol. Start with the striker-fired pistols first for rental. For comparison, try the DA/SA Sig and Beretta models in all-steel. The ideal size is anything around the Glock 19. See how it fits your hand.

New shooter: try Glock 19, S&W M&P, H&K VP9, Ruger SR9 or American, Walther PPQ, etc. MUST SHOOT and try. Don'y buy without rental.

For a rifle? AR-15 hands down. Hugely adjustable, lots of modularity, easy to upgrade.

Yes, 1911's can be run reliably by experienced shooters such as yourself. I simply don't recommend them for new shooters.

A good striker-fired sidearm and an AR and you are all set for the start.

Blogger map August 28, 2020 4:13 AM  

My God: Laughed my a** off.

https://twitter.com/PennStateBMP/status/1298666308939264000/photo/1

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 28, 2020 7:37 AM  

@142 map:

Remember, this thread is in the context of offering advice to a new shooter: what should they buy?

That's not how it started; rather, someone well equipped with handguns, who hadn't yet been able to financially justify the purchase of a long gun, asked what was the best single long gun for him given a common set of legal constraints (which also now include procurement constraints).

Skimming the comments, I discovered you were the one who expanded the scope of the discussion by adding handguns in @101, after the original guy clarified in @63 "Got the pistols covered for quite some time."

And as a complete jerk, for example starting shitting on .45 APC and M1911s altogether (show us on the doll where John Moses Browning touched you), which you've now admitted was purely based on economics for the gun design. Why on earth did you derail the focused and very productive discussion on long gun options for Unknown??

I'm not in the habit of accusing people of being gammas, but you're sure coming off like one.

Blogger Maniac August 28, 2020 8:38 AM  

Anyone have experience with the S&W Bodyguard. 38?

Blogger map August 28, 2020 4:52 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:And as a complete jerk, for example starting shitting on .45 APC and M1911s altogether (show us on the doll where John Moses Browning touched you), which you've now admitted was purely based on economics for the gun design.

Ok...I admit it...I sperged out.

Sorry, guys.

Blogger Jack Amok August 28, 2020 5:33 PM  

Sorry, guys.

No problem. There's worse things to get enthusiastic about.

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