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Monday, August 24, 2020

Build your own platforms

Sam Francis saw it first, according to the Z-Man
A long time ago, Sam Francis pointed out that Conservatism was likely to fail as a political movement, because it was engaging in formal politics. In order to engage in formal politics, it had to accept the rules of politics and the process of creating those rules. Inevitably, conservatism would be assimilated into the system they set out to oppose. Go back and read the early conservatives. Listen to a Reagan speech from the 60’s. They are unrecognizable relative to the modern conservative.

The fact that Francis was correct has always stuck with me. Everyone that takes on the system directly is destroyed and made into a useful example by the system. Everyone that tried to work the system is assimilated and turned against its original mission. There have been no exceptions.

The logical first step toward an alternative approach is accepting the reality of the past. It means “doing something” outside the system. The first step in building a genuine alternative is to turn your back on the system and stop reacting to it.
The irony, of course, is that most post-conservatives, including the Z-Man, attack everyone who actually attempts to build any alternatives to the mainstream system as a "grifter". Apparently you're supposed to build your own platforms, but somehow do it without any resources and provide the end product to everyone for free.

Granted, it's a different strategy for losing, but it's still a strategy for losing.

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Blogger DAMN SON August 24, 2020 11:15 AM  

>Apparently you're supposed to build your own platforms, but somehow do it without any resources and provide the end product to everyone for free.
it's just teenagers on /pol/, they want absolutely everything to be decentralized, content-centric, edgy and not for profit. the same kids who worship sam hyde, fuentes, pastor steve and all the other e-celebs who don't actually do anything of merit but hey they make libs cry so they're the good guys.
most of them are good kids and they'll eventually come around, they just need to learn what we learned back in gamergate, to stop having heroes left or right and stop indulging drama whores. the skepticism is deep and ingrained, and the avenues they use to communicate are pure gamma and sperg honeypots, so it's gonna be a hard job separating wheat from chaff, but no one here needs to be told it's already being done.

Blogger Harris August 24, 2020 11:27 AM  

I tried to be a Republican. I attended a county convention, and was appalled. I voted for Reagan in 1984, and Bush is 1988 & 1992. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Dole in 1996, but both donated to the campaign, and voted for Bush in 2004 and 2008.

But in the early 2000's, I said I vote for McCain. And after the 2006 election, I abandoned the Republican party. They had broken too many promises. I haven't voted in the last 3 Presidential Elections. McCain and Romney were not worthy of my vote, and I just didn't believe Trump. I

But Trump has proven to be the best President in my lifetime. But the Republicans in Congress, being true to form, blocked Trump from accomplishing some of his goals in the first two years of his administration. McCain proved once again to be a snake in the grass, and Paul Ryan completely undermined Trump's agenda in Congress.

Fortunately, many of the Republican back-stabbers "retired" or were sent packing. But many remain. Still, voting for Trump is essential this time around. I still don't trust the Republicans, but Trump has more than earned my trust and my vote.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville August 24, 2020 11:32 AM  

Interesting. Conservatism are the Borg. In that paradigm it makes absolutely no sense to attempt to reform the party.

Blogger A rebel without a General August 24, 2020 11:35 AM  

Robert Lewis Dabney, Stonewall Jackson's preacher and architect wrote that Northern conservatism was a mewling mess and would never stick to its principles and he died in 1898. He had a great quote

“It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This [Northern conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.”

Blogger Jeroth August 24, 2020 11:36 AM  

I'd rather risk giving my money to a "grifter" than an established organization that normalizes pedophilia and subverts innocent children. This is not difficult, people.

I think what's really going on here is jealousy. People want to see the building come from someone who already has a tremendous amount of resources. Otherwise they think "pffft... Even *I* could do that. What a grifter." It's very similar to Jesus' observation of a prophet never being accepted in his home city.

Blogger doctrev August 24, 2020 11:41 AM  

Build your own platforms and make them completely open?

Gab did that. And drove away a lot of people in the process.

Blogger The Greay Man August 24, 2020 11:54 AM  

The word "grifter" is the recent gamma "dog whistle" of the month. Call others a grifter and you're now accepted by the gammas on "our side".

Blogger Caesar Rodney August 24, 2020 11:56 AM  

Of course it's still a strategy for losing. Losing is the conservative ideal.

Blogger Yossarian August 24, 2020 12:04 PM  

It's easier to get off of meth than it is to quit the drug of constantly complaining about everything. See Jordan Peterson for reference.

Blogger TheMaleRei August 24, 2020 12:27 PM  

It's as if said people expect some billionaire to set up the infrastructure etc etc and then deliver it unto their fellow-travelers as a gift for the good of the cause or some such.

The very idea that a lone individual or even a small group of such gathering to raise the money, talent, supporters, etc that are required for the task is somehow anathema to them.

"What? VD is doing just that? Why, he must be a fraud of some kind!"
"Why? Because he's practicing what he's preaching?"
"Shut up! Where's my Koch money? They'll build an alternative platform for me! Lemme get the Kochs on the phone! They'll help me out!"

I think that said people see highly skilled and motivated individuals who aren't bought and paid for as a threat to their own grift.

Blogger Daniel August 24, 2020 12:42 PM  

It is easier for a losing strategy to obtain its objectives, because both parties have a vested interest in seeing them achieved.

Blogger Cappuccinobear August 24, 2020 12:49 PM  

It's easier to build platforms based on the values and morals (or their opposites) of a group with strong in-group preferences.

Thank you for helping this new group materialize based on strong and ancient values.

Blogger Noah B. August 24, 2020 12:51 PM  

Lots of false statements and flawed assumptions. Z-man really is a lightweight.



Blogger Doktor Jeep August 24, 2020 12:53 PM  

It's an old problem really. I used to see this argument against Alex Jones back around 1999 even. It was the shill "oh he's just trying to make money so therefore everything he says is a lie" kind of thing.
It's as if we're supposed to try to do everything on top of a full-time job and be, well you know, be ineffective and eventually get burned out and fail. Or end up divorced and hence divorce-raped and shut down for example. To actually make money while fighting back? Oh no can't have that.

Blogger Stilicho August 24, 2020 1:00 PM  

@rebel. Pure gold. Dabney accurately predicted the function and demise of the conservative movement decades before it was born based on the lack of principle of the political party with which it would become associated.

Blogger J Van Stry August 24, 2020 1:04 PM  

I was in the Conservative party in NY early in the 70's (as a kid and later when I turned 18) it started out pretty good. Do what we had to do, use the rules against them, fight and don't give up and be a pain in the ass until people gave in just to shut you up.

Then things started to change. As it got bigger and got power 'experienced politicians' came along and 'showed everyone how to do it right'.

Oh, you have to compromise. You have to wait. Oh they'll do what you want, but just be quiet.

And so on and so on. The people who did all the hard work? Yeah, they were just regular guys in blue collar jobs who couldn't be there all the time, and hey? What do they know? These new guys sound so cool and they promised me everything!

I really do believe now, looking back, the Buckley was the death of the movement. Or perhaps its executioner.

People are stupid. Thinking an intellectual will 'save' you or even help you is foolish. They are not men who live by their word or honor their word. A handshake is worthless. Even contracts can be hard to enforce. That's why you never trust them.

Blogger Peter August 24, 2020 1:12 PM  

Does blogspot cost money ?

Blogger RadixMalorum August 24, 2020 1:22 PM  

These cuckservatives think that their principles can just manifest and be maintained in the real world magically from the ether. They probably never did any honest work in the real world their whole lives. They don't realize action in the real world requires time, resources, and energy and isn't free.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 24, 2020 1:25 PM  

Z-Man is just sore that Vox basically told Gab they need to adjust their policies to be viable and then Vox was later proven right.

Blogger Christian Schulzke August 24, 2020 1:48 PM  

I've never understood why Z man has such a hard on for Vox. My evaluation process is "if I gave this guy a magic wand to remake the world, would it be more in line with my outlook, or less so." I have no doubt that Z man would find Vox's world vastly preferable to what we are living in now.

Blogger Manuel August 24, 2020 2:23 PM  

Every time cons tried to play "culture" rather than "politics" they would be bamboozled by the neo-Trostkyites, get co-opted, and then "disavowed" as extremists.
Conservatives only have themselves to blame, though, as after something happening 36,663 (heh) why would you keep running back to National Review and Shapiru?

Blogger Lance E August 24, 2020 2:58 PM  

What Zman apparently means by "build a genuine alternative" is "talk about building a genuine alternative. a lot."

Sums up his contribution so far, at least. Has he supported any of the alternative platforms in any way? Not necessarily even financially, but merely telling his readers "hey, go try out this platform" or participating on it himself?

Blogger Brett baker August 24, 2020 2:58 PM  

Further proof of the brilliance of Sam Francis.

Blogger Rek. August 24, 2020 3:07 PM  

Everyone at his own pace. But what took you so long? Then again I am in Europe where its been possible to vote "far right" since before I was born. We are not stuck with Dems/GOP bipartisanship. Then again as has been pointed out for years now it would be an illusion to think that change will come from the system.

Blogger 7916 August 24, 2020 3:16 PM  

It's a curious mix of economic fear and guilt that I have not worked out fully. It's the opposite of SJW'ism in desire. Where an SJW has internalized that they are the author of their life and fight against God's will, a cuckservative sees themselves adrift in a hostile world they can't change and refuse to grab on to the lifeline God has thrown them.

That lifeline isn't just spiritual action, it's physical action. God also hates those who do nothing with what they're given, and expect to be taken into the kingdom without taking risks in their own lives. The parable of the taels is an excellent example. So while cuckservatives fear change, they also fear taking action and the responsibility that comes with it.

Blogger Doom's Children August 24, 2020 3:17 PM  

Does Sam Francis mean that there's no point in working in government, with the goal of trying to help people and administer services effectively? No matter how much you try, your efforts will be bent to serve opposing purposes? I feel like there's truth in that, at least in the long term, and that's a bitter pill to swallow.

Blogger liberranter August 24, 2020 4:06 PM  

The irony, of course, is that most post-conservatives, including the Z-Man, attack everyone who actually attempts to build any alternatives to the mainstream system as a "grifter".

"Establishment conservatives" are all frauds, always have been, and always will be. As much as they posture and bloviate otherwise, they love the existing system as much as the liberals do. The very thought of having to "conserve" anything worthwhile gives them the nervous-stomach gut cramps and shits, because they might actually have to stick their necks out and take risks. In other words, having actual principles means having to fight for them in order to live them, and that just takes too much guts.

Blogger The Last Roman August 24, 2020 4:07 PM  

How do we make it clear that we are serious, and that will not vote for candidates who oppose nationalism? How do you do this without being disregarded as a fringe, Alt-Right, or Nazi group?

Blogger The Last Roman August 24, 2020 4:08 PM  

How do we make it clear that we are serious, and that will not vote for candidates who oppose nationalism? How do you do this without being disregarded as a fringe, Alt-Right, or Nazi group?

Excuse me if this went through more than once. I didn't realize that I was not logged into Google when I first posted my comment.

Blogger Kraemer August 24, 2020 4:31 PM  

If you're going to engage the system, you have to subvert it, else it subverts you. If you're proficient in and comfortable with subversive tactics, go for it. Else it's BYOP

Blogger megabar August 24, 2020 5:00 PM  

Re: Voting Republican or not.

Republicans are not, in their current state, going to restore sanity. But they will slow things down. That's a good thing. If the population wakes up from its slumber, it will be better to have some rule of law, some ability to speak your mind and associate with others as you see fit, and fewer rather than more incompatible people in the country. The Republicans provide those more than the Dems.

If the people never wake up, it doesn't matter. The only argument that a nationalist can make to vote Dem is accelerationism, which I think is a mistake.

Blogger Jeroth August 24, 2020 5:16 PM  

@28 Act and stop worrying about labels. Any substantial opposition to civic nationalism and globalism will be regarded as Evil Nazis. If labels is all it takes for the side that controls the media to win, then we are hopeless.

Blogger Pathfinderlight August 24, 2020 5:44 PM  

If we were serious about stopping them, we'd have lawyers go after their corrupt fraud companies and NGO's. It's time for us to create laws that hold these people accountable for their "corporate" decisions, then use those laws to prosecute their clearly criminal behavior. Think of the victims.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock August 24, 2020 5:45 PM  

The irony, of course, is that most post-conservatives, including the Z-Man, attack everyone who actually attempts to build any alternatives to the mainstream system as a "grifter".

They're the grumpy old farts, welded to their chairs on the porch, screeching "It'll never work!" at anyone attempting anything new.


Does Sam Francis mean that there's no point in working in government, with the goal of trying to help people and administer services effectively?

All bureaucracies' primary, often exclusive, purpose is self-perpetuation. It's inevitable and unavoidable. It's also what makes them so easy to turn to evil purposes, because any change, especially actually "solving" whatever problem they were created to address, is an existential threat.

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2020 6:06 PM  

@16- Buckley came along pretty early, in the 50s. If the modren Conservative movement (such as it was) formed around opposition to the New Deal, it was at first steamrolled politically. But afterwards it had a chance to succeed. It very obviously failed in the 60s, when we had our own Cultural Revolution of sorts. And again it failed massively after the Long March led to P.C. Not to mention the vicissitudes of war, economy, and all manner of globohomo chicanery in the meantime.

If Buckley, or the idea of Buckley which is controlled opposition, was the root of failure from almost the beginning, that's 70 years of gatekeeping. Which just makes us look pathetic.

Sam Francis had a book called Beautiful Losers. He got the Losers part right.

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2020 6:08 PM  

@28- You already are disregarded as such. To begin, you must not fear the Nazee label.

Blogger The Last Roman August 24, 2020 6:58 PM  

The Left claimed that Buckley was a radical, and a racist. They also argued that being pro New Deal was true conservatism because you were going along with the now established law of the land. I have become increasingly concerned that there is no talking with these people. There is no compromise that can be made with what I am convinced is evil. They push radical policies (exmp. Dont Ask, dont tell), establish them as law, and return ten years later arguing against their own policies in favor of ever more radical policies. We can not have a government that includes these people; not as policy makers, not even as voters

Blogger Elmo August 24, 2020 8:12 PM  

Sums up his contribution so far, at least. Has he supported any of the alternative platforms in any way? Not necessarily even financially, but merely telling his readers "hey, go try out this platform" or participating on it himself?

The Z Man wants readers to send him $5 a month. That's the support he wants.

... I have wondered if "Z Man" is a ((( ))) man. He often worries about antiEskimo-ism on the Right.

Blogger map August 24, 2020 8:37 PM  

But you can't just build your own platform. The Left really does not build its own platform. They overrun existing platforms, build a beachhead, and then use that to attack and co-opt other platforms. Whatever else they cannot completely take over, they will subvert into ineffectiveness. What they cannot subvert, then they will destroy with a scorched-earth policy.

Take over, subvert and destroy is the three-pronged strategy to use.

The easiest way, for example, to strike a blow against the Left is to use left-wing policies against their own economic interests. One of those ways is to allow student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy with the caveat that the cost of that debt will be born by the Universities. Every bankruptcy that occurs is paid out of university assets. This sets up parents and students against professors and administrators until the four form a circular firing squad. On the ashes of that battlefield something new can then be built, but what matters is that a leftist beachhead is destroyed.

This is the kind of jiu-jitsu that you play.

Blogger rondolf August 24, 2020 8:45 PM  

Z-man would be on Vox's side except he doesn't believe in God. Everything else proceeds from there.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 24, 2020 8:54 PM  

map wrote:This is the kind of jiu-jitsu that you play.
And how do you, personally, intend to play it? What have you, personally, done to further your preferred strategy?

I wade through the flood tide of spam to help out here. I subscribe to Castalia's patreon. I put what I could afford into the Arkhaven IndieGoGo campaign.

I don't do much, I have work and a family. I'm just a grunt, PFC Snidely.

But for all that, I'm actually helping execute on a strategy, not waiting for some political or lawyerly savior to fix it all in return for my purely theoretical support. Not telling other people what needs to be done.

Executing a strategy. The army has far greater need of privates than it does of captains or generals. This is why Vox likes the Bears. Like good soldiers they take orders and stand their ground, under sometimes withering counter fire.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 24, 2020 9:19 PM  

The Left really does not build its own platform.
The CIA would like a word.
Since they're the ones who sponsored Google and Facebook.

Blogger Avalanche August 24, 2020 9:49 PM  

@18 "They don't realize action in the real world requires time, resources, and energy and isn't free."

Hence, antifa and BLM and Soros...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 24, 2020 10:45 PM  

So a guy who supports his blog on donations is calling a guy who is building 4 different platforms, 4 different businesses from the ground up on a pay-as-you-go basis, a grifter? The businesses turning out literally hundreds of hours and several printed volumes per month of quality content, with thousands of devoted customers is a grift?

As Inigo says, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Blogger map August 24, 2020 11:07 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:map wrote:This is the kind of jiu-jitsu that you play.

And how do you, personally, intend to play it? What have you, personally, done to further your preferred strategy?

I wade through the flood tide of spam to help out here. I subscribe to Castalia's patreon. I put what I could afford into the Arkhaven IndieGoGo campaign.

I don't do much, I have work and a family. I'm just a grunt, PFC Snidely.


Snidely, I wasn't making an argument in that spirit, trying to blackpill that if you are not taking this one step that I am suggesting, then all is lost. No, not at all. You do what you can do. I'm just making an observation that there is nothing wrong with using the left's methods against it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 25, 2020 2:57 AM  

@Map, I'm sorry that came across as an attack. I just think we have way too many armchair generals, when what we need are men in the trenches. We need captains, we need sergeants, we need foot soldiers. We don't need any more strategists.
That's why I support Vox. He's not perfect but he's doing something useful and productive, and making progress. The occasional thighbone to chew on is great, but Victory is Life.

Blogger RadixMalorum August 25, 2020 3:24 AM  

map wrote:
This is the kind of jiu-jitsu that you play.


Your statement is premised on the assumption the right has the presidency and enough majority votes in the houses to pass those policies. If that was the case then why even use half-assed measures like that? Why not just ban those with any debts from voting all together through some amendment? In fact why not just remove universal voting and allow only net tax paying Americans to vote?

Blogger Bezzle August 25, 2020 6:43 AM  

Z-Man is just sore that Vox basically told Gab they need to adjust their policies to be viable and then Vox was later proven right.

I'm not up-to-speed on this. What were Vox' recommendations?

Blogger Tars Tarkas August 25, 2020 10:11 AM  

The dissident right is surrounded on all sides by people who hate us and want us dead. The enemy is over there.

Circular firing squad.
I'll never understand the tendency of the personality clashes and infighting. I like VD and Z-man and read the blogs daily. VD and Z are not that different. I don't see either working at cross purposes. Neither are drama queens with YT channels.

The whole grifting angle is completely retarded. Superchats aren't grifting, but your video site is? Selling books is griftig? Where do people come up with this stuff?

Blogger Sam Drucker August 25, 2020 1:39 PM  

As Lew Rockwell said at the Ron Paul side convention last time, "We don't want a seat at the table, we want to turn the table over."

Blogger map August 25, 2020 5:52 PM  

RadixMalorum wrote:map wrote:

This is the kind of jiu-jitsu that you play.


Your statement is premised on the assumption the right has the presidency and enough majority votes in the houses to pass those policies. If that was the case then why even use half-assed measures like that? Why not just ban those with any debts from voting all together through some amendment? In fact why not just remove universal voting and allow only net tax paying Americans to vote?


My premise is based on a hypothetical conversation with The Donald.

But, yeah, you are right.

Blogger map August 25, 2020 5:52 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:@Map, I'm sorry that came across as an attack. I just think we have way too many armchair generals, when what we need are men in the trenches. We need captains, we need sergeants, we need foot soldiers. We don't need any more strategists.

That's why I support Vox. He's not perfect but he's doing something useful and productive, and making progress. The occasional thighbone to chew on is great, but Victory is Life.


No big deal.

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