Canceling Rape Rape
The SF-SJWs have finally come for George R. R. Martin:
UPDATE: They all know that Jemisin's "best novel" wins are a fraudulent joke. Robert Silverberg couldn't bother to hide his contempt for them:
Celebrated author George R.R. Martin angered a lot of fans this week. No, not because he still hasn’t finished the next book in A Song of Ice And Fire (although he missed his self-imposed deadline for that this week, too), but because of the incredibly lackluster job he did hosting a prominent award ceremony.Shameful. Truly shameful. Just wait until they actually read one of his books and discover what a rape culture enthusiast he is. And then they'll come for Scalzi.
The Hugo Awards is one of the most prestigious and well-known award ceremonies for science fiction and fantasy literature, and something many SFF fans and creators alike look forward to every year. Like many big events this year, the Hugos turned into a virtual ceremony, streamed online for fans and nominees, and with pre-recorded hosting duties completed by Martin.
But some felt Martin fell short of the responsibility bestowed on him, repeatedly mispronouncing the names of nominees and celebrating the achievements of dead white men over the actual winners.Natalie Luhrs summarized the disaster on her blog, calling the entire ceremony “blatantly disrespectful of the nominees and winners.”
“George R.R. Martin repeatedly mispronounced the names of nominees and, in one case, a publication which was nominated. All the nominees were asked to provide pronunciations for their names in advance,” she wrote. “The fact that Martin chose not to use that information is disgusting and racist as f*ck, as nearly without exception the names he mispronounced were Black and brown.”
Martin also continually name-dropped John W. Campbell, a writer who had a Hugo Award named after him until 2019, when the title was changed to the Astounding Award on the heels of a scathing speech given by winner Jeannette Ng.
“John W. Campbell, for whom this award was named, was a fascist,” Ng said at the time. “Through his editorial control of Astounding Science Fiction, he is responsible for setting a tone of science fiction that still haunts the genre to this day. Sterile. Male. White. Exalting in the ambitions of imperialists and colonisers, settlers and industrialists.”
The Game of Thrones author also reportedly complained about fandom getting bigger, which some took to be a criticism of the fandom becoming more inclusive and welcoming to anyone who isn’t a straight white man. And when mentioning N.K. Jemisin, a Black female author who won best novel three times in a row—an accomplishment Luhrs rightly pointed out is unprecedented for the Hugos—Martin turned it into an excuse to harp on the achievements of a white male author who won the award three times over a span of nine years.
UPDATE: They all know that Jemisin's "best novel" wins are a fraudulent joke. Robert Silverberg couldn't bother to hide his contempt for them:
He fucked up primarily by focusing all of his attention on ancient Hugo history, pointing his gaze backwards to the 1970s and lionizing problematic faves like Heinlein and Asimov and, yes, Campbell. The latter was especially egregious, since just last year Jeannette Ng began her now Hugo-winning Campbell Award speech by declaring him (rightly) to be a “fucking fascist.” It felt like a stinging rebuke of Ng’s incredible speech, a speech that actually prompted the Hugos to change the name of the award, to spend so much time talking about Campbell throughout the ceremony. To then trot out Robert Silverberg, who made dismissive comments about N.K. Jemisin’s deserved three-peat in the Best Novel category, felt like an especially craven capitulation to the old racists who feel the genre slipping out of their hands.
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I did catch the part about Rape-Rape "harping" about a 3 time male winner, wonder if that is Scalzi? Speaking of McRapey not a peep about the Hugos, though I did notice he is reviewing some books or something and two of them are edited by Big Larry C. and famous SJW Tom Kratman and not a one of his idiot commenters noticed or objected to even posting a picture of their names.
Anyway IMO Vox is the most effective man on the right, the only one with enough sense and ability to actually divide and destroy the Left. The Sad Puppies bless their tender hearts did the usual appeal to authority, the Rabids got the SJW to form a firing squad for one another, truly bless the Rabids, may monuments be built to them in a better future.
George rr Martin is a relic, he has no peers in the current generation, he can't keep up with its insanity despite his leftist leanings.
I wonder if this is just pent up rage at not being able to attend the Hugos in person and diddle the fan base.
Having seen him in person, Rape Rape doesn't strike me as much of a master of ceremonies kind of guy. It says something when you can't even get a pre-recorded gig right.
Note to self: pick up more popcorn at the grocery.
I love the fact that even SJW realize the HUGOs have fallen in importance. To be "one of the most prestigious and well-known award ceremonies for science fiction and fantasy literature," is a big step down from being THE science fiction award like it was 20 years ago.
I am pleased to hear that GRRM let his racist, fascist and imperialist freak flag fly. It is heartwarming to hear.
Those who swim with sharks are bound to be ate.
1. Give yourself and your children foreign or made-up names which are hard to pronounce.
2. Complain when people mispronounce your name.
Hugo? Victor Hugo of Les Miserables?
No? ... Oh, Yugo! Better fit. Unsafe, cheap, lousy performance.
Ng? Anyway, it's no surprise that actual decent sci-fi authors are seen as fascist. NK Jemisin wins three times in a row? Did they not enter anyone else?
GRRM's has his cis white male colonizer game On Fleek!!
“ Sterile. Male. White. Exalting in the ambitions of imperialists and colonisers, settlers and industrialists.”
This is what makes stories interesting and what sells. Are they so self unaware? Absolutely.
"complained about fandom getting bigger, which some took to be criticism of the fandom becoming more inclusive and welcoming to anyone who isn't a straight white man"
Hang on, aren't Tranny Dyke Hugo people constantly complaining about fandom? Bunch of incel basement-dwelling neckbeards who use continuity and lore as an excuse to strangle the Other? Or however they put it. That's when they're not Russian alt-right bot review-bombers.
Ah, but these people like to pretend promoting authors of color/femininity (real or imagined)/perverse sexuality results in new readership. At best, it results in a few extra unread books on the shelves of virtue-purchasers. There is no expanded readership.
If Martin specifically complained about bigger fandom, and I do not trust he did, I imagine he meant the sort of casual scifi-fantasy who got into Game of Thrones for boobies and dragons. The sort of people the Tranny Dyke Hugos don't like either.
That they think lackluster literary mediocraties deserve better than a lackluster host boggles the mind
Time for the Castalia Awards soon?
Once attended a binfire. The sight of half burnt nappies, and the smell of burnt plastic was unpleasant.
And yet I'd rather grill on that binfire than watch the Hugo diversity awards.
@13 It's not about logic. The mediocrity complaining wants xer fifteen minutes of fame for cancelling the best known, living fantasy writer. This is more like trophy hunting or whaling.
"On the heels of a scathing speech given by Jeanette Ng"
As if the ravings of some Chinese bitch at an event no one cares about has anything to do with it. There are plans to destroy the reputation of all vulnerable Sci-Fi/Fantasy authors, as there are all public and private figures of any kind if they feel like it and have time to get around to it.
Campbell's Wikipedia page has the standard format of a Canceled Person. Part "who is this guy," part "Why Should Goodthinkers Hate Him." The latter has none of Mz. Ng's complaints. Instead it's Isaac Asimov bitching about Campbell's support for George Wallace and such. Boo-hoo.
Can we pause to appreciate the stupidity evinced by the Nefarious Mz. Ng on the subject of "setting the tone" with imperialism et al.? As if she could go back to 1945 or whenever and force sci-fi fans to buy stories about young women with mysterious powers that burst forth unannounced one day (obvious menstruation metaphor).
Maybe, just maybe, the Campbellian "tone" became popular because that's what people want. Maybe we can say people don't want Tranny Dyke sci-fi based on the fact that no one buys it.
That article. Talk about "skin suit".
@9 Get your joke, but if you dont know the real answer, its for Hugo Gernsback, one of the earliest and most influential pulp SF publishers.
Im sure having the award still named after a dead straight white male, but wearing the skinsuit loses the 'in your face' aspect unless you keep the original tag.
I'd really like to know how GRRM pronounces "Ng".
GRRM has more balls than I would have thought. I guess when you're old and have fuck-you money, you can just speak your mind openly.
The SJWs are outraged because GRRM praised some of the classic figures of science fiction such as John Campbell and Heinlein, and acknowledged their great contributions to the genre. Once those men were labeled as "old white fascists," they were supposed to be forgotten forever, doesn't GRRM know that?!
And he didn't bother to labor over pronouncing their ridiculous ooga-booga names because he knows these people are jokes and don't deserve these awards.
The fatty supposedly promised his fans they could imprison him if he didn't deliver the novel a week ago.
I'm not surprised, I read the first GoT book and by the second I could already see his plot threads were so tangled they would never get resolved.
Ng
"Neg"?
"Nig"?
"Nog"?
"Nag"?
So rayciss.
@21 Yep, because I really don't know how you'd pronounce it other than nigga. Other than some other sound that my brain isn't made to produce. So nigga it is.
Hmm. A feeding frenzy for Barefoot Johnny. Do you think they could give us sufficient advance notice for a pay-per-view livestream ?????
Well, at least he got the right people throwing tantrums. So he's not all bad. :-)
@17: "The mediocrity complaining wants xer fifteen minutes of fame for cancelling the best known, living fantasy writer."
They were targeting John Wright AGAIN? :-)
(I'd mention Vox, but the only way he finishes ASOS and its sequels is to hire John Wright and his water-cooled typewriter. :-) )
The "on fleek" got me. :D
He needs to die like Robert Jordan, assuming there's a Brandon Sanderson waiting to finish things.
But seriously who cares at this point, between the mess of the last book, and HBO doing such a bad, rushed job of wrapping it all up, when they clearly *did* get their big points from Martin.
If you never read the last book, Jordan *stopped* the dwarf in his journey half around the world before finding Daenerys, because Jordan had a completely different list Targaeryn ? Come out of the woodwork, the boy traveling w the old knights that Tyrion was with.
In hindsight presumably that was a long word wasting red herring before uncovering Jon Snow.
Ng is pronounced differently by English speaking people. Some say Ing like sing, some say it Eng, and others say Ong.
Now this is the limit to *my* personal knowledge base.
I remember reading in a newspaper yrs ago where a Cantonese guy with that surname was saying it was pronounced Woo. I am still unsure about all of that, but my actual point is, who cares? Go back to China if you don't like senior citizen perv pronunciations.
Why would you not speak your mind openly? What are you afraid of? Why do you care so much?
What is it you think will happen to you?
Oh look. The Hugos are still a ragin dumpster fire.
Just the way we left them.
There's nothing more satisfying than a job well done.
Jemisin has only won three times in a row? What's wrong over there?
I didn't see Joker, but that one line from the film is a meme unto itself.
And George Martin? You did it to yourself.
May Martin be an epithet in the future, for someone who over complicates things and can't deliver in a timely manner, all while sniffing his own farts.
(Or something even more pithy and incisive.)
This looks like the perfect excuse for GRRM to be hounded from the fandom, give up writing, live off his proceeds, and never complete his series.
(While editing Wild Cards anthologies.)
Was Game of Thrones supposed to be something other than boobs and dragons?
Oh no! I really, really hope this won't delay The Winds of Winter as I was looking forward to its prompt release (sarcasm).
@24, @25
I read it as "ung," as in "ungh, that's disgusting."
He mispronounced a vibrant's name!!! DESTROY HIM!!!!
Oh no, poor George, that's what being a lifelong leftist gets him. Just like Rowling. And the ones who defend him are probably going to be few, he always was hugely disrespectful to his readers, and only the truly great in an artform can afford to treat their fans with disdain and ignore all their own set deadlines. Martin is not one of the Greats. I really hope he gets deplatformed, he deserves it.
If SF fandom gets any bigger they'll have to limit them to using the freight elevators.
Newscaper 312, height check. You missed the punchline.
Heh...George Martin.
There's an image of GRRM sitting at his desk while behind him is a huge painting of the Pied Piper leading a long line of children...
And GRRM likes looking like Santa Claus...
There's nothing the least bit surprising about an author who isn't terribly charismatic in person. It's practically a trope.
Last line of the article is wonderfully telling: "merely getting a seat at the table isn’t enough to ensure fair treatment".
You will bow down, White Male, YOU WILL BOW DOWN.
If you're stupid enough or clueless enough to turn up for the meetings.
Best Related Work: Hugo Awards 2020
Winner - “2019 John W. Campbell Award Acceptance Speech”, by Jeannette Ng
That is what she won her first real Hugo award for, her acceptance speech from last year.
The one where the most gifted new word-smythe of last year referred to John W. Campbell as a "fucking fascist."
And George RR Martin got her name wrong.
"THIS IS THE WORST KIND OF RACSIM!
THE KIND AGAINST ME!!!"
As usual they're assuming a lot of things about Martin's statements that probably never crossed his mind. Additionally heaven forbid that an old man who popularized fantasy for the 2010s audience isn't 100% clued into the latest orthodoxy.
If it's pronounced 'woo,' why would anyone choose that to transliterate it? It's even worse than the Vietnamese "Nyugen," but at least Vietnam uses the Latin alphabet so I'll forgive them.
But who cares about Ng.
I'm sure we were all in it for Our Girl N.K.
You'll all be shocked to know that she won yet another Hugo, this time for Best Novelette.
Emergency Skin (Forward collection). Published by Amazon Original stories, (which explains the three figure sales rank).
I'm delighted for her, especially in light of the fact that she has admitted that more than half of her annual income comes from Patreon.
Yeah, as a sad pup I have to agree. We wanted to reform the unreformable, the Rabids wanted to destroy them. The Rabids were right. It's just so surprising how easy it was for Vox to get the SJWs to destroy themselves.
I avoid anything that has a Hugo award and typically avoid books that are listed as NY Times best seller as well.
I was wrongfanned by George Martin when I joined the Rabid Puppies. Unfortunately, the racists of the mainstream industry couldn't accept the expansion of the fandom. How white supremacist of them.
I'd really like to know how GRRM pronounces "Ng".
I remember reading in a newspaper yrs ago where a Cantonese guy with that surname was saying it was pronounced Woo. I am still unsure about all of that, but my actual point is, who cares? Go back to China if you don't like senior citizen perv pronunciations.
吳 is "Wu" in Mandarin and various forms of "Ng" in south Chinese languages, which are as far from Mandarin as Dutch or Scandahoovian are from English.
The Viets pronounce it "Ngô", so the last competent South Vietnamese president was also a member of that family.
Eh, he addressed it in the most gamma way though. It's a sneaky, passive aggressive, secret king way of being critical of the current state of the industry done in a way to give him plausible deniability. He doesn't have the stones to come out and say what he obviously thinks, and I say that as someone who likes ASOIAF.
That Martin would trample their feels like a bull in a China shop at their invitation pleases me greatly. His sales are orders of magnitude above all the people he inadvertently caused impotent rage. And I'd wager not a f was given when he was told about it. His public contempt for their fake accomplishments detract from their legitimacy in the eyes of critical readers.
So nice to see my worldcon membership investment for Rabid Puppies is still paying out LOL dividends.
1. Mr.MantraMan,
Have to agree that Gamergate demonstrated that the Rabid Puppies was the Right way to go for the win. Although, the Sad's didn't strike me as quite as stupid as the ComicGate people.
Sterile. Male. White.
Whichever mediocre SJW writer said this got one thing correct. After side-lining the pulps, the Golden Age of SF also sidelined marriage and children.
It was literally fiction for mules.
@55- I would prefer he come out guns a-blazin', saying, "I don't care if an author was Hitler's gay lover. If his books are good, I'll say so." But was any such thing in Martin's mind? Or did he simply drop some names he respects? You know, like a normal person.
@48- Probably true.
Despite the reverence with which the TrannyDykePedo Sci-Fi Elite invoke the Acceptance Speech Heard Round the World of the Hugos' own Yellow Peril temptress Mz. Ng., I don't assume Martin knows anything about it. He's too busy not writing books.
To my knowledge Mz. Ng is not a Politburo into herself and lacks authority to declare Campbell anathema.
If Martin doesn't care enough about the Sci-Fi/Fantasy scene to have finished TWOW still, I can't imagine he cares about sucking up to these foreign nobody pretenders.
@43
The punchline wasn't in question. Just a tidbit about the setup.
It's a good thing these SF-SJWs don't even read science fiction!
There is a Robert Silverberg story in one of those "There Will be War" or "Far Frontiers" compilations, about a post-apocalyptic San Francisco and a ruling monarch whose royal customs fit exactly today's Science Fiction Awards. He's the central party attraction with a secret service detail and lots of pomp and ritual. As everyone gets messed up on drugs, he sits on the throne and pees himself. It's the high point of the local social scene.
Kinda says it all right there! I take it Silverberg doesn't like hippies (or whatever they're calling themselves these days)?
Whichever mediocre SJW writer said this got one thing correct. After side-lining the pulps, the Golden Age of SF also sidelined marriage and children.
It was literally fiction for mules.
Martin wrote not one, not two, but three pieces of masturbatory wish-fulfillment fantasy in which his vegan, ugly, chess-playing and supposedly hyperintelligent Mary-Sue self-insert sterilised a planet of people he deemed to be breeding too vigorously.
@63 sounds like the source material for the Star Trek TNG premier episodes.
Was Game of Thrones supposed to be something other than boobs and dragons?
In the first book, it looked like it would be a series about a badass family from the hinterlands and their traditional ways, facing off against more powerful and sophisticated families in a vast game of kings, with the additional pressure of some kind of dark forces coming from the north to take advantage of their division.
By book 4, yeah, it was pretty much boobs and dragons. And rape, of course.
We weren't stupid, just misguided. We really believed the SJWs in charge of Worldcon really cared about the integrity of the awards and weren't just engaged in some kind of literary circle jerk. In retrospect, that could be seen as stupid.
Thought I was reading Owen Stanley's "The Promethean" there for a minute. It's hard to believe this is really happening.
Santa Claus from the Netflix show 'Happy!'
Jemsin is absolutely "savage" about George.
The pronounciation furore reminded me of "It's spoke 'Lay-dash-a'. THE DASH DON'T BE SILENT."
Imagine complaining that your awards ceremony, whose prestige derives from the historic works of past masters of your genre, isn't denouncing those same past masters and their legacy enough. I mean, it's self-refuting performative hypocrisy.
>>Ng is pronounced differently ...
I remember reading in a newspaper yrs ago where a Cantonese guy with that surname was saying it was pronounced Woo. <<
Point deer make horse.
Time for a separate awards ceremony.
If they are going to demand that all nominees and recipients be bastions of moral virtue, they are in for a very long (and hilarious) day.
Half-savsge.
Ung! sounds like the name of a caveman, or cavewoman in this case. How fitting that far left conventions started to get names that sound as intelligent as their philosophy.
Hope the next few ones are called Ug, Mff and Argh, or just call them "grunt" and "fart" .
LMAO.
I love these kerfuffles.
Live for them.
Racefail, the Puppy Saga, the disinviting of Elizabeth Moon over her "Islamphobia" (LOL) and so on.
A bunch of finger wagging scolds they are.
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