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Thursday, August 06, 2020

Conservatives fiddle while the USA burns

The unmitigated failure of conservatism is now beyond undeniable. Even the Hillsdale crowd is beginning to recognize it.
What is conservatism in America today? It’s hundreds of millions of dollars a year spent fiddling while Rome burns. It’s ideas with little to no consequence. It’s getting trampled all over by History, but while yelling Stop!

Conservatism is the seven cheers for capitalism and the deafening silence on demographic change, feminism, and corporate malfeasance. It’s the same tired cast of speakers blathering about limited government almost a century after the New Deal. It’s the platitudinous Reagan quotes and the worn-out Buckley anecdotes. It’s the mindless optimism and the childish exhortations—if something can’t go on forever, it won’t!

If it were only that, conservatism would simply be a harmless persuasion for nostalgic Baby Boomers. Or to be more generous, one big Benedict Option to offer a semblance of an alternative to the pervasive progressivism of our age.

But conservatism is also the endless wars, the nation-building, and the outdated alliances. It’s the free trade fetish. It’s the foolish libertarianism that hates the government more than it loves America. It’s the unconscionable refusal to clamp down on immigration.

Worst of all, conservatism is the cowardice and accommodation in the face of leftist hegemony. It’s the long list of enemies to the Right. It’s the court eunuchs and other members of the controlled opposition who offer an echo, but never a choice. It’s the faux grandstanding while living in fear of being called a racist.

Admittedly, this is not the whole of conservatism. There are still dissidents, contrarian thinkers, and courageous gadflies who refuse to lick the boots that crush them. Alas, their voices are, more often than not, drowned out by those of the conservative establishment.

If this is conservatism, then we may be inclined to say, let the conservatives keep it. Perhaps the time has come for patriotic Americans tired of the Left desecrating all they hold dear to go beyond conservatism?

Conservatism may indeed be unsalvageable at this point. The old guard is too heavily invested in—nay, it benefits too much from the status quo to own up to its failures, correct its leftward drift, and reground itself in the realities of the 21st century. Its business model works, as evidenced by the hundreds of millions of dollars that flow into its coffers each year.

And yet conservatism, in its dotage, cannot shake the nagging suspicion that it no longer speaks to the country it loves, in particular to those who have no living memory of the Cold War. This dawning realization could be amplified through probing questions: is America today more conservative than it was when the conservative movement began 70 or so years ago? Is conservatism itself as conservative as it was then? On the off chance that the conservative agenda were to be implemented, would it fundamentally transform the United States of America and lead to conservative hegemony (or would it simply save us money and buy us time)?

Across the board, the answer is a resounding no. Conservatism must therefore overhaul itself. If it refuses, then it should be left to die with the passage of time. A new Right, in any case, is already overtaking it.
Call us whatever you will - New Right, Alt-Right, Nationalist Right, American Right, or Crusader Right - but our ideas are inevitable because the truth always breaks through in the end.

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71 Comments:

Blogger Sargent.matrim August 06, 2020 7:40 AM  

Amen. May the the conservative decline be swift and final.

Blogger xevious2030 August 06, 2020 7:44 AM  

Conservatives were to sew inaction during a smothering. Instead, to a degree, they were sidetracked to buy time, for the emergence of the Reticulated Right.

Blogger Kari Hall August 06, 2020 7:48 AM  

And all the people say AMEN!
You said this years ago (and I parapharse) "There will be no where else to go but to the New Right."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 06, 2020 7:51 AM  

The USA is not a Christian nation but a Cultural Marxist Empire, the Evil Empire. Doubt me then ask any loudmouth conservative what ism, ist or phobia they wish to perfect out themselves which is idiocy that has only come about for the general population maybe post WWII.

A person could probably ask this of the author of the TAC piece and he would trip over himself trying to rid himself of the taint of some ism, ist or phobia. The person or people who can liberate great swaths from this word magik will have power beyond belief.

Blogger The Lab Manager August 06, 2020 7:52 AM  

It's been very clear the last four years that GOPe hates Trump and anything that could be done to benefit the average citizen. They are simply another group of grifters that need to be sent to concentration camps if that day ever comes. Trump is more of a populist, but at times more Republican than the Republicans.

Too bad Texas is stuck with the cuck Cornyn; Cruz only moves in a certain direction since Trumped kicked him in the nuts.

Blogger DroppingBear August 06, 2020 7:54 AM  

David must be a bit of a hammer considering all those nails he's just hit on the head.

Blogger Kari Hall August 06, 2020 7:58 AM  

And all the people say AMEN!
Vox, I remember when you said this years ago and have kept it in my heart as a touchstone:
"There will be no where else to go but to the Alt Right."

Please correct me I if I am wrong whether it was the ALT, Dissident, New or Nationalist Right.

Blogger Off The Wall August 06, 2020 8:01 AM  

So far "New Right" hasn't been smeared by the enemy but it will eventually, so maybe just "Right" is the best.

Blogger Lazarus August 06, 2020 8:01 AM  

And it should emulate the Left in using them to reward friends and punish enemies (within the confines of the rule of law).

Well, that was a disappointing caveat.

Blogger Drew August 06, 2020 8:02 AM  

And you didn't mention the best part of the article:

We also understand the importance of knowing how to govern. However much we may long for a return to constitutional government, the modern administrative-welfare state is here to stay. No one, not even the great Reagan, has succeeded in taming it, much less scaling it back. The right must be comfortable wielding the levers of state power. And it should emulate the Left in using them to reward friends and punish enemies (within the confines of the rule of law).

Ours is obviously a non-libertarian Right. The common enemy that justified an alliance with the free market fundamentalists is long gone. Today, libertarians actively side with our enemies: they promote open borders and empty prisons, and strengthen China’s hand through their consumer-focused economic policies. Ours is primarily a conservatism of countries and borders, citizens and families, none of which can take root in the barren libertarian soil of atomized individuals and global markets.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 06, 2020 8:02 AM  

"It’s the foolish libertarianism that hates the government more than it loves America."

Damn if that doesn't say it all. How many times have we heard someone, even here, say that we shouldn't build the Wall (an achievable goal that hurts no Americans and gives jobs to some), we should just get rid of all government assistance (an impossible goal that would hurt many Americans, at least in the short term)? How many times do conservatives oppose possible ways to MAGA because the government might get an advantage from it someday?

Blogger Unknown August 06, 2020 8:33 AM  

when even a Canadian "conservative" realizes that Conservatism has failed
...
son, you done failed.

regardless of how inept the good professor's knowledge of the actual history is.

Blogger RandyB August 06, 2020 8:34 AM  

Chesterton was right about conservatives, almost a century ago.

"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution." (Illustrated London News, 1924)

Blogger Canadian Warlord August 06, 2020 8:43 AM  

"This new Right understands not just ideas, but power. The Left’s ideological hegemony is not principally the result of better ideas, but of its long march through the institutions. We understand the need to build new institutions—in particular those with the power to shape public opinion—and to reconquer lost ones or, at the very least, defund them. The universities, in particular, must be brought to heel."

It's a start. De-fund, bring to heel, or end institutions that have been completely leftist for generations. This may include giant swaths of the bureaucracy.

Castalia House is actually ahead of this curve, edifying and educating outside of universities - which are obviously completely trashed and need to swim on their own in the free market.

Blogger One of Us August 06, 2020 9:01 AM  

As a faithful reader of vdare.com, I appreciate the term "Dissident Right".

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 06, 2020 9:09 AM  

This is an opportunity to release ourselves from the shackles of the Democract/Republican paradigm. Neither party represents its alleged constituency.

I consider myself a Christian Nationalist. I am a member of the American Reconquista Party. Our starting platform is Vox's 16 points, no abortion, 7 debt jubilee, no blasphemy, the duty to bear arms. All 1st and 2nd gen immigrants gotta go. I dont give a fuck where.

It is an opportunity for an excuse for whites to get together.

Blogger Timmy3 August 06, 2020 9:10 AM  

You could say the same about Liberalism taken over by Marxism. Both are outdated, but Conservatives were always more accommodating.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 06, 2020 9:25 AM  

....fundamentalists is long gone. Today, libertarians actively side with our enemies: they promote open borders and empty prisons, and strengthen China’s hand through their consumer-focused economic policies....

Somewhere a pedophile enthusiest libertarian on a federal/state retirement who got his piece of "real" property is put out that he might have to pay $36.00 for a toaster instead of $18.00 because NAP...er I mean solopsicism... or whatever *wink *wink.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 06, 2020 9:26 AM  

Libertarianism quite literally breeds weakness. It preaches abandoning the battlefield, thinking that doing so will somehow result in you defeating the army that then just goes ahead with pillaging your villages and killing your men anyway, without any resistance. It lionizes and idolizes The Suit, the businessman and entrepreneur as the foundation and mover of all economic activity, the profit motive as the ultimate motivation in all society and life. Its materialist metrics for gauging the health/success of a society (or even individuals) or economy are astoundingly shallow.

It's so narrow-minded and detached from reality as to be incredible. It is wholly debilitating to entire communities and families and its hyper-individualism affects Americans far more than they know, even the liberals.

Libertarianism has convinced a great many good, traditionalist-minded Americans to stay out of politics, law, and even the military. Quite literally handing liberals and their minority group allies the reigns and levers of power. But it doesn't stop with government organizations and the government dole, it seeps out into how they interact with their own neighbors, friends, and family members, though they cannot even see it. This 'live and let live' libertarian attitude sees them watch others destroy themselves with sin without saying a word and sees their cowardice excused as some noble philosophical high horse when they decide to do or say nothing when foul people and foul ideas raise their ugly heads in their communities, private businesses, or even their own dinner parties.

The further I get away from libertarianism, the greater my disgust for it. It quite literally is a white flag of surrender. It is an excuse for all sorts of laziness and cowardice. Wrapped in the false pretense of a moral high ground.

Blogger Stilicho August 06, 2020 9:44 AM  

Anyone who still calls himself a conservative is just a man without a chest.

And Vox is quite right that it is telling that the uselessness of the conservative movement is becoming acknowledged at Hillsdale (which is the intellectual heart of the movement in many ways). Subtract Hillsdale from the conservative movement and all that is left is what Schlicter terms the Fredo Cons, the cruise selling grifters, etc.

The conservative movement is already on the ice floe of history, but its remaining adherents think its just another sponsored fundraising cruise.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville August 06, 2020 9:46 AM  

@10 Ours is primarily a conservatism of countries and borders, citizens and families,

I get your point, but we need to strike out any form of the word "conserve" out of our vocabulary. They are not us, and we are not them.

Blogger peacefulposter August 06, 2020 9:57 AM  

Not sure when you adjusted the 16 points but "The Inevitable" has a nice ring to it.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 August 06, 2020 10:05 AM  

CONservatism is political science.
Nationalism is political engineering.

I see Conservative Inc. with endless whiny analysis about our current mess with complete obliviousness to the 1965 American Extinction Act and the urgent need for its repeal and replacement with an immigration moratorium.
The CONservative establishment is also blind to the necessity of strengthening White racial-political solidarity.

Engineering is much harder than theorizing and the old Right is a doddering old scholar.

Blogger Manster August 06, 2020 10:08 AM  

When I heard your case that conservatism is an ideology destined to never take any ground back, it was a shocking revelation.

An ideology meant to only ever "hold what we have" (which results in slowly losing it over time) with no desire to even take ground back and go on the offensive is doomed to fail.

I explained that to a few of my conservative family members and the look on their face was priceless... probably similar to what mine looked like the first time I heard it.

Blogger Johnny August 06, 2020 10:12 AM  

Thinking about conservatives reminds me of an old story about how to train a mule. Seems this farmer had a mule that wouldn't cooperate. So he hired a mule trainer. The mule trainer got started by getting out a big old stick and hitting the mule's head good and hard, knocking the animal to its knees.

The farmer said, "What are you doing? You are supposed to be training the mule."

"Well," the mule trainer said, "if you want to train a mule you have to start by getting their attention."

That is really where we are with the US population. The last really bad thing to happen was the Great Depression in the 1930's. That event is no longer in anybody living memory any more. World War II was actually kind of an enjoyable crises for those who weren't in combat, and that event is fading also. People just don't expect a crises and so they will sleep walk into letting it happen. Until we get a big old hit in the head, nothing decisive is going to be done.

Blogger Silly but True August 06, 2020 10:12 AM  

Bannon infamously self-described himself as a Leninist, with context being he came to radically upend the political state.

Republicans don’t need and derive no benefit from conservatism. It needs radical action to return us to fundamentals of American society what made America great: belief in the Christian God, liberty, personal ambition and responsibility, sanctity of life, reliance on sound and sustainable economic policies, and an interest to continue forming a more perfect union of sovereign States.

Blogger JovianStorm August 06, 2020 10:13 AM  

I call our kind the Patriot Right, in the same vein as Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine.

Blogger Jeroth August 06, 2020 10:14 AM  

Well, at least some of them are starting to get it. Just a few days ago from The American Conservative:

It no longer matters if statistics or studies parse out to reveal racism in policing because society is more than statistics. The nationwide agony and anger of millions of black Americans—agony that knows no class or geographic barriers—is evidence enough.

Apparently facts do care about your feelings now.

Blogger ZhukovG August 06, 2020 10:18 AM  

I used to be a Libertarian.

It's a seductive ideology. Like Marxism, it looks good on paper. Then you realize people will be involved. More importantly, 'certain groups' of people who are equally able to use either Marxism or Libertarianism to enhance their own position, at the cost of others.

I think of myself now as an American Christian Nationalist. Hmmm, The American Christian Nationalist Party (ACNP). It might work.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 06, 2020 10:22 AM  

I note with no surprise that there is much hand-wringing in the comments at the AC in regards to what is to be done about "demographic change", and not one of them dares type the dread words "they have to go back".

Blogger Hates the Wicked August 06, 2020 10:35 AM  

Conservatism is Idolatry of Freedom.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 06, 2020 10:37 AM  

The article is notable for what it manages somehow not to say.

Blogger Shoji Kahn August 06, 2020 10:37 AM  

I usually refer to myself as Hard Right or Dissident Right.

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2020 10:42 AM  

How is Azarrad's magic imaginary nation any different from standard civnattery today? He decries 'identity politics,' but defines America and Americans by ideology, not genetic ties. The sole mention of race is 'white guilt.' Nowhere does he discuss demographic and racial reality. He's proposing a slightly more muscular 'citizenism,' a thin, tired, shopworn concept which Sailer has pushed now for over a decade with nothing to show for it but more snarky columns about black hair. And both the writer and the commentariat are still harking back to their magic constitution. Old ideas in a used wrapping. None for me, thanks.

Blogger testtesttest August 06, 2020 10:43 AM  

Provisional right , official right , continuity right , real right ,
ANLA

Blogger Nym Coy August 06, 2020 10:44 AM  

Who is AngryFarmer in the comments there? Legend.

Blogger Section 8A August 06, 2020 10:50 AM  

Long bowties after reading this one.

Blogger FP August 06, 2020 11:13 AM  

"And yet conservatism, in its dotage, cannot shake the nagging suspicion that it no longer speaks to the country it loves, in particular to those who have no living memory of the Cold War."

Oh, its worse than that. You have those (boomers especially) who think that they know what it was truly like, that they grew up through bad times because it was a real deal unknown threat in the 50s-60s Cold War. Oh, sure you kids in the 80s still had to duck and cover under your desks but it like wasn't as bad.

I had that argument with a boomer a few months ago. I didn't get it because I was too young man. Yeah, I totes didn't like live through the last 15 years of the cold war as a kid and then the next 30 years of my life in a "war on terror" since the Gulf War.

Blogger RedJack August 06, 2020 11:17 AM  

I used to lean libertarian, till I got into dealing with people. Most people are not mentally capable of balancing their check, let along making good decisions.

I not sure what I am now, but I have realized that the warnings about democracies were not only correct, they were overly optimistic. Fallen people will do anything to hold off repenting of their favorite sin.

I will vote for the GE, but I do not see the empire last much longer.

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2020 11:17 AM  

Silly but True wrote:It needs radical action to return us to fundamentals of American society

Those are all good, but you left out the most important fundamental: real nationalism. It's the people that make a nation.

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2020 11:18 AM  

Just don't read the comments at that article. Ugh.

Blogger RadixMalorum August 06, 2020 11:23 AM  

StrongCoffee61 wrote:CONservatism is political science.

Nationalism is political engineering.



More like Conservatism is Political Scientology. It's about as coherent and less effective.

Blogger tuberman August 06, 2020 11:27 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:The article is notable for what it manages somehow not to say.

Snidely, go for it. State those notable not stateds. Not being snarky here, I'm interested. This is how all the Fakes operate, leaving out the critical.

Avalanche said it once, to paraphrase,"They jump to the front of of the stampeding herd, trying to adjust their momentum, ever so slightly keep the Overton window from changing too far Right."

She was talking about Rush, but the same applies here.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 06, 2020 11:47 AM  

JovianStorm wrote:I call our kind the Patriot Right, in the same vein as Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine.
Paine was no patriot. He was a dedicated trans-nationalist revolutionary and anti-royalist.

He wasn't even American. Paine arrived in America in 1774 and left for France almost as soon as the war was over.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 06, 2020 12:33 PM  

Libertarianism quite literally breeds weakness.

And yet they largely took over both political parties, without ever winning an election. The Democrats went from a party of union factory workers and working class people to one that was only too happy to replace those people with foreigners to dodge the regulations they enacted. The GOP went from a party that was at least somewhat pro-small business and America-first to one that made the stock market and the banks its highest priority. Both parties embrace the libertarian ideal of complete sexual freedom, just one more enthusiastically than the other. And on the issues where the parties were traditionally anti-libertarian, like abortion for Republicans and guns for Democrats, they've turned those into talking points for collecting donations from the base, while they put their real effort into open borders and legalizing perversity.

Maybe it was their weakness that made that possible: no one took them seriously enough to see how they were infiltrating.

Blogger Theodoric August 06, 2020 12:50 PM  

Very well said. Laziness and cowardice is exactly right. I have people close to me that still embrace it because they haven’t accepted that it this is a battlefield, and that the libertarian and “open” ways they are so keen on defended are creating mass casualties.

Blogger Gator McCluskey August 06, 2020 12:56 PM  

the comments on that piece are both hilarious and sad. Even when's almost spelled out, right in front of their noses, these pathetic cucks fail to see it

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2020 1:07 PM  

I realized the other day that even when Buckley was a youth and given manufactured fame for his first book, God & Man at Yale published 1951 - it didn’t add up and was suspicious. In that day and age ethnic nationalism was not yet dead and it was more regular to understand that the foundation of the country was the Protestant Anglo (or European assimilated to the Anglo). Yet here we have an Irish Catholic being chosen by the powers that be to be the new fresh voice of traditionalism? Even he accused Yale of “ism” and “ist” behavior for excluding him due to his Irishness and Catholicness (in that day and age the Catholic, like the Jew today was regarded suspiciously of having dual loyalty to Rome) - hardly a right wing attitude. How can someone who doesn’t even belong to the tradition be the new torch bearer for it?

Then I read the interesting detail that the man who brought Buckley into the limelight was one John Chamberlain, a senior and famous writer at the then influential Life. Chamberlain wrote a foreword to the book stamping it to the public as worthy of reading and fame - and this Chamverkain’s readership read it.

Chamberlain was a liberal by all accounts who pretended to a conversion or more compromising view toward conservatism and was part of the same school of thought, fusionism, that the alleged converts from Communism, the Jewish Frank Meyer and potential crypto-homosexual Whittaker Chambers, belonged to and used to build up the National Review. Chamberlain helped progressively push Buckley further and further into a “libertarian” view, audaciously claiming libertarianism is the true classical liberalism. He likewise, in spite of Buckley’s hatred and protests, perpetually pushed the infantile objectivism, atheism, worship of corrupt moguls as some Atlas godly elite, and nonsensical hyper-individualism of the Jewish Ayn Rand. The fusionism, inexplicably dominated by Jews and alleged ex-communists, of the 40s through 60s that pushed conservatism to “libertarianism” is strikingly similar to the 80s to present neo-cons that pushed conservatism to communism often using calls to libertarian values as a tactic of manipulation.

Even if it’s not a deliberate, purposeful strategy by undermining enemies (which I personally believe it is at the very least in part) but is instead just the natural drift of ideology as the conservatives’ own strategies of co-option and integration spectacularly fail - it is strong evidence that their entire approach is defined by nothing but failure.

Blogger Jack Amok August 06, 2020 1:14 PM  

If conservatism is losing the people who write "alas" and "nay", it's just about done.

Well, that was a disappointing caveat.

What's so disappointing about it? Insufficiently conservative?

Blogger RadixMalorum August 06, 2020 1:36 PM  

kennymac wrote:the comments on that piece are both hilarious and sad. Even when's almost spelled out, right in front of their noses, these pathetic cucks fail to see it

As Bezmonov said these people are subverted. There's almost no way to save them. They will refuse to be convinced that their ideology failed until they themselves suffer the consequences and by then it's too late.

The only way to start rolling things back is to educate a new generation of people to refuse to accept these failed ideologies. At the last stage of subversion only direct military intervention can roll back things.

Blogger Akulkis August 06, 2020 1:41 PM  

>> An ideology meant to only ever "hold what we have" (which results in slowly losing it over time) with no desire to even take ground back and go on the offensive is doomed to fail.


This is why I now refer to myself as "reactionary" rather than conservative. Reactionaries aim and work to restore what was lost, rather than Conservative's minimialist goal of (and failing at) preventing losses.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 06, 2020 1:42 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:And yet they largely took over both political parties, without ever winning an election.

An interesting take, to be sure. Without getting into some long philosophical discussions, you could say that social atomization (individualism plus materialist Newtonian physics) and intra-Christian religious tolerance was what eventually became the common thread holding together all the different Whites that populated our nation for 150 years, with those weak spots eventually being exploited by some (((people))) to destroy us by injecting non-Whites into the mix as weaponized cultural 'enrichers.'

I am butchering this, but our priest once told us of a time when a foreigner was in the states giving some talks and lectures and after getting to know some supposedly very traditional and conservative Catholics and attempting to get a few points across to them, remarked, "Oh, you Americans are all just Classical Liberals."

Or something to that effect. But it's true for White folk in the States. Individualism and 'personal choice', mixed with cocktail party decorum, are the idols and gods of most White adults in America, to this day.

And even if they don't take that attitude to the ballot box, it begs the question, which truly is more important, choices at the ballot box or choices at the cocktail party?

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 06, 2020 1:50 PM  

Silly but True wrote:It needs radical action to return us to fundamentals of American society what made America great: belief in the Christian God, liberty, personal ambition and responsibility, sanctity of life, reliance on sound and sustainable economic policies, and an interest to continue forming a more perfect union of sovereign States.

This quite literally has been the mantra of the Republican Party and conservative libertarians for a long, long time.

This is quite literally the 'conservatism' that failed.

What you fail to realize is that 'liberty' means nothing and is entirely and completely relative and subjective outside of liberty from Sin in the (Orthodox) Christian context and explanation of it. All True Liberty flows from that and the freedom of man to follow that path and that Way. That is the only true definition of Liberty. The 'liberty' you speak of is the Revolutionary idea of liberty and inherently is anti-traditionalist, anti-Christ, and is just an earlier form of Liberalism which demands progress and change and, as you yourself said, and ever more 'perfect' 'union.'

These are the very terms and rhetoric of the anti-Christ, anti-conservative revolutionaries of the U.S., France, and every other revolutionary movement and force up to this day.

Those words are meaningless unless defined and delimited and got us to this very point. These are the very words of Revolution that has destroyed the social and religious fabric of ALL of Europe and European Christian civilization in the Americas, Africa, and Australia. These words have quite literally cause all this destruction, and returning to them will do nothing for the 'conservation' of anything.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 06, 2020 1:57 PM  

Theodoric wrote:Very well said. Laziness and cowardice is exactly right. I have people close to me that still embrace it because they haven’t accepted that it this is a battlefield,

Thank you. Yes, I have the same, people close to me who still think that once the gold markets are cleansed of the fraud, gold futures will somehow pull the trigger on the hungry, lecherous brown hordes who show up on their street, grow the crops, birth the new generations, and all will be hunky dory and fix itself while they watch Netflix for 3 hours a night for the next 15 years.

They don't want to lift a finger. They think something or someone will save us all, and do all the hard, dirty work for them.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 06, 2020 2:07 PM  

RadixMalorum wrote:As Bezmonov said these people are subverted. There's almost no way to save them. They will refuse to be convinced that their ideology failed until they themselves suffer the consequences and by then it's too late.

True. So often our beliefs become so personalized that we refuse to let go of them or change them, for it would cause too much pain to our ego, pride, or worldview.

It reminds me what only Orthodoxy taught me, that evil is not some impersonal force. Just as Good is not some impersonal force. Good is not something in the ether, it is a Person, the Person of Jesus Christ. The Person of the Father. The Person of the Holy Spirit. Three Persons in One. All Good.

And the evils that we adopt, or that attack us, are personal. Designed for us, specifically, and presented to our specific person by a personal (hypostasis) spirit being or beings. A demon, several demons, or the devil himself.

This can give one hope though, as it did me, because then Evil is not some ubiquitous, intangible thing. It is something tangible, with form, and place, that we can identify, isolate, wrestle with, and battle. It does not have to be always something surprising or seemingly coming out of 'nowhere.'

As per conservatives and libertarians, even if they are more correct than our wacky liberal friends, their beliefs can be just as personal. Personal idols. It is very hard for many to let go of them or change them. As it was for us who have changed our own views many times to get here.

Blogger John Regan August 06, 2020 2:38 PM  

Speaking of pathetic.

Blogger Jofrieder Luther August 06, 2020 2:39 PM  

Lately been leaning more to the conspiracy theory Right.

The Q material has been very influential in this shift.

When it comes to the past it should be noted that Buckley set up a magnetic force-field around respectable conservatism and purged out objectivists, paleo-libertarians, and anyone who looked askance at rhe zionist entity (Sobran). Also the Birchers were amongst the first fo go.

Since Buckleys passing that magnetic force field has been collapsing (David Frum tried to keep it up) along with the rest of respectable conservatism losing power during the PopulistcTrump era and now Q is rising in the light!

Blogger Jack Amok August 06, 2020 2:40 PM  

The NY AG going after the NRA gives further proof of conservative fecklessness by way of comparison.

Blogger Silly but True August 06, 2020 2:53 PM  

“But Nikita Khruschev banged his shoe on his podium, hardly! You can’t know how hard its noise was unless you lived through that terrible time.”

Blogger Hates the Wicked August 06, 2020 5:12 PM  

On a related note, I contend there is a Christian argument that nation-states are the only justifiable society.

* Great Commandment. If we protect our our extended families and our direct families and desire from foreign adulteration, then we can expect that to be respected in kind.

* Jesus refused the offer of the kingdoms of the world in exchange for serving Satan. Therefore, any international offers of peoples abroad can be reasonably argued to be an offer of power. After all, most nations would enslave or only grant residence to foreigners. Christ refused, so must we.

* Jesus came to fulfill the Mosaic Law, not subject his followers to it alone. Fulfill means to complete, as well as execute. Therefore, a nation does not have to tolerate the heathen / Canaanite, because God commanded Israel to displace them entirely, to not enslave him, marry their daughters or sons, etc. That cannot be ignored any more than being just and charitable to the foreigner.

* Jesus did not articulate Kingdom on Earth, he was talking about Kingdom in Heaven. Ephesians is misquoted if it is being justified to accept all people regardless of origin for migration on a Christian basis. It is not talking about state policy, but the opportunity for believers to enter the Kingdom of God.

Even St. Thomas Aquinas was flawed in this thinking. He was for tolerance of Jews, and recommended caution for new migrants, but who can really be disciplined about an emotional issue like that for centuries. Better to make it more simple.

But the key is reciprocity. If a nation-state demands no migration into the country, then it ought to minimize conquest and prevent emigration too. This is more in line with reciprocity, just as banning usury entirely is better than Mosaic Law's allowance of usury on the foreigner.

Blogger John Rockwell August 06, 2020 10:45 PM  

The reason they get to be so respectable and mainstream is because they are ineffectual.

If they weren't they were purged long ago.

Blogger Emmanuel August 06, 2020 10:48 PM  

As Ann Coulter said, many bowtie conservatives would be ok getting a pay check playing for the Washington Generals and loosing every contest against the Harlem Demon Rats

Blogger John Rockwell August 06, 2020 10:49 PM  

@Don't Worry about Me



* Jesus did not articulate Kingdom on Earth, he was talking about Kingdom in Heaven. Ephesians is misquoted if it is being justified to accept all people regardless of origin for migration on a Christian basis. It is not talking about state policy, but the opportunity for believers to enter the Kingdom of God."

For now the world is under the control of Satan. But Jesus did promise in the Old Testament as well as Revelation.

That he will usher in a Millennial Reign under a Christian government directly by Him.

And he alone with overthrow the power of Satan to institute his rule.

Its not for us to take Power prematurely because we are still ambassadors right now.

Diplomats negotiating surrender for all potential subjects of our God-Emperor Jesus Christ.

We are still offering pardon via the Gospel while there is still time.

But we will Reign on the Earth as Glorified Saints when the First Resurrection occurs.

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 06, 2020 11:38 PM  

How many times have heard that . . . we should just get rid of all government assistance (an impossible goal that would hurt many Americans, at least in the short term)?

Which parts of the intergenerational EBT plantation shall we retain?

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 06, 2020 11:47 PM  

Tetro : which one are you talking about?

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 06, 2020 11:53 PM  

... conservatism is an ideology destined to never take any ground back,

After reading some of the American Pravda materials I'd conclude it was designed so.

Blogger xevious2030 August 07, 2020 12:00 AM  

"even when Buckley was a youth"

Buckley, from the political side, impersonated masculinity. Rock Hudson Hollywood encouraged women to drool over closet queens, and men to emulate pretend masculinity. All adding to the situation.

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 07, 2020 1:31 AM  

Self described ancap Doug Casey does a fair job here with the likes of Howard Dean and Karl Rove and Rove's brand of conservatism in his open [link below]. He with others built a small very high end village in Argentina. As the non-aggression principle plainly allows for vigorous self defense and defense of others and property - not just weed, hookers, and cowardice gussied up as principles - I'd imagine they have a private security force or three. The challenge with this is how to manage the security forces. The term "state" comes immediately to mind. Still, what a shitty manager the state is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2ubxIHyQo

Blogger papabear August 07, 2020 8:42 PM  

First thing I've ever read from Julius Krein. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/conservatism-is-a-collection-of-losers-it-doesnt-have-to-be/

Blogger Hates the Wicked August 07, 2020 11:35 PM  

John Rockwell wrote:@Don't Worry about Me

* Jesus did not articulate Kingdom on Earth, he was talking about Kingdom in Heaven. Ephesians is misquoted if it is being justified to accept all people regardless of origin for migration on a Christian basis. It is not talking about state policy, but the opportunity for believers to enter the Kingdom of God."

For now the world is under the control of Satan. But Jesus did promise in the Old Testament as well as Revelation.

That he will usher in a Millennial Reign under a Christian government directly by Him.

And he alone with overthrow the power of Satan to institute his rule.

Its not for us to take Power prematurely because we are still ambassadors right now.

Diplomats negotiating surrender for all potential subjects of our God-Emperor Jesus Christ.

We are still offering pardon via the Gospel while there is still time.

But we will Reign on the Earth as Glorified Saints when the First Resurrection occurs.


It would be an amazing and beautiful thing to experience.

I know that I have no fear in my heart anymore for any man, because following Jesus eliminates that kind of weakness.

Blogger Morrisfactor August 08, 2020 2:04 PM  

For the past 70 years, conservatism's goals seem to be: lose a little slower, never attack, never win, never regain lost ground. Always appear to be above-board and gentleman-like, even if it means losing.
Conservatives second goal seems to have been joining the left in attacking anyone to their right as some sort of misguided tactic to have the left like them. And with people like McCain, Romney, Rubio, Bush, etc. as "conservative" allies, who needs enemies?
The net result has been that the progressives have gained victory after victory while the conservatives simply shook their head in dismay or even joined them in condemning fellow conservatives who might be seen as being farther to the right.

In 70 years, conservatives have "conserved" - nothing....while our schools, our colleges, our Hollywood films, our government, our churches, our MSM - all have been conquered by progressive Socialists masquerading as Democrats.

Trump, as flawed as he is, remains the only hope, the only alternative to the Socialism which hovers on the edge of total domination. If you think "woke" and "cancel-culture" is bad, you haven't seen ANYTHING of what will happen in the next decade if Biden wins.

What remains of conservatives must shift to Alt-right, who are willing to FIGHT for retaining the best of America and not let it slide to Communism.

"Feminism is the vanguard of Socialism", "Socialism is the vanguard of Communism" - Vladimir Lenin

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