Saturday, August 15, 2020

Machiavelli and the Holocaust laws

From The History of Florence by Niccolo Machiavelli:
Nor is it possible for a public to enact a law more pernicious than one relating to matters which have long transpired.
Machiavelli was discussing here the fate of the ammoniti, or the descendants of the Ghibellines who were banned by law from holding any office of government in Florence after the victory of the Guelphic party in 1356. He states that this law "laid the foundation of many evils" and noted "none felt so particularly injured with it as the Ricci; for they knew themselves to have occasioned it, they saw it involved the ruin of the republic, and their enemies, the Albizzi, contrary to their intention, became great in consequence."

History always repeats itself. The direct attacks on the First Amendment rights of Americans by U.S. citizens who are not, and never will be, Americans, are not only going to fail, they are going to ruin the republic and make great their enemies.

There is a reason the Prometheans don't want you to study history and why the Shapiros and Pragers relentlessly lie about it and retroactively attempt to revise it. There is nothing new under the sun. If you know history and you recognize which patterns apply to current events, you will have a very good idea what is going to happen.

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Blogger Kraemer August 15, 2020 8:24 AM  

The difference between rhetoric and dialetic:

Shapiru: but, but, but muh six bazillion!
VD: As Machiavelli already observed in "the History of Florence"
BB: Rollerblading!

Blogger Robert What? August 15, 2020 8:35 AM  

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Blogger Brett baker August 15, 2020 8:54 AM  

Unfortunately, watching the shock on Benji's face as he realizes he can't escape isn't going to be worth the destruction of the country. But there will be that small pleasure at least.

Blogger Yossarian August 15, 2020 8:59 AM  

I like Owen's strategy on this: just call it the judeo-christian holocaust.

Blogger Shane Bradman August 15, 2020 9:09 AM  

I'm sure that a number of Jews were killed during the 30s and 40s, but can we take a moment to mourn the tens of millions of Christians that died? My great granddad lost all of his friends in that damned war, but the Jews try to hog all of the attention. They need to show some respect to the deceased and stop making it all about them.

Blogger Silent Draco August 15, 2020 9:21 AM  

Over 6 million, oops, 3 million served.

Blogger The Masked Menace August 15, 2020 9:31 AM  

It's apparent that Germany didn't have the fuel nor food for a prolonged war. Is it possible that most of those in the camps died of malnutrition and disease? Anyone know much about the food situation in Europe during the war? I know during WWI the Central Powers were near starvation at the end. I assume those poor souls in the camps would have been the last to be fed.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 15, 2020 9:44 AM  

Probably the best rhetorical smack is the old question "if it's so true, why make it illegal to question it?".
Or the even shorter: they doth protest too much.
Roughly a month ago a "Jewish Priviledge" hashtag trended on Twatter. And it was full of Jews bringing up what things happened to relatives and ancestors during the Holocaust.
What struck me was, that was their answer, but with "muh six million" as their answer, it became clear that when you have media and academia practically overloaded with people using a mid 20th century incident like this, in this manner, then it's no wonder we have a situation of whites who, not only did not own slaves themselves, but whose ancestors even arrived later, getting blamed for slavery.
Jews created this atrium to live in and it has affected everybody. And it's the absolute worst thing to do to a country with a history like this. We can speak of their banking, legal, and globalist tricks all day. But this one element of their influence may ultimately lead to burning cities and piles of dead bodies. All whole claiming whites want that and they themselves are not white.
That's how sick this all is. Holocaust is more of a projection from these people now.

Blogger Rex Leroy King August 15, 2020 9:52 AM  

That is not the topic of this thread, "Robert What?"

Blogger Shane Bradman August 15, 2020 10:11 AM  

@7. The axis powers weren't just "near starvation", they were literally starving. Churchill's naval blockade of Germany, which persisted after the Armistice was signed, caused the deaths of over a million Germans.

Blogger Darren August 15, 2020 10:25 AM  

Now that BigTech has more power over public opinion than any government in history, everyone should be shouting "if it's so true, why make it ban-worthy to question it?"

Blogger gbob August 15, 2020 10:51 AM  

Excellent book about that called "other losses". Mostly focuses on allied prisoner camps after the war, and Eisenhower's complicity. Even going so far as to destroy humanitarian aid rather than distribute it.

Blogger Jack Amok August 15, 2020 11:00 AM  

Bad things happened to your ancestors? Yeah, that sucks.

Now excuse me while I pay attention to my kid's future.

Blogger Brett baker August 15, 2020 11:12 AM  

Germany got a lot of food from the rest of Europe to keep itself fed. The rest of Europe had trouble finding enough food, but not Germany until the last 6 months of the war.
After 1943 when the extermination camps were shut down, the Nazi policy was to slowly starve Camp inmates while getting as much work as possible out of them.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry August 15, 2020 11:22 AM  

My grandfather (Papa) was released from prison in Germany and immediately began eating grass and whatever was close. He also slept in fetal position for 10 years due his former short blanket. He was the most dangerous man I ever met.

Blogger Tallen August 15, 2020 11:28 AM  

Anyone know much about the food situation in Europe during the war?

Since you're interested, the best resource I've found on the topic is at I believe it was someone's photo-tour of WWII-related sites in Europe, but they included extensive first-hand sources on holocaust topics. The site appears to have been shoah'd very recently but archives are still available.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry August 15, 2020 11:33 AM  

Some look around and all they see are masked vegetarians bemoaning the lost buffalo herds of yesteryear,...Others see an abundance of Free Range Rube and highly evolved Dodo Birds!

Blogger TiredPoorHungry August 15, 2020 11:35 AM  

Some look around and all they see are masked vegetarians bemoaning the lost buffalo herds of yesteryear,...Others see an abundance of Free Range Rube and highly evolved Dodo Birds!

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" August 15, 2020 12:49 PM  

re: food shortages in Germany c. '44/'45 - i once took an Amtrak journey and sat next to a German lady who had emigrated to the US some time after the war. She told me about the terrible conditions that civilians had to endure after the conflict ended, walking for miles and miles in a refugee train with hardly anything to eat, being treated like dirt by the victorious forces. We got on to the subject because she kept offering me food from the veritable pantry she had packed for her trip, including numerous tins of fruit and such. It was evident when she talked about it that the trauma she experienced as a young girl had stuck with her for all that time (this was mid 2000s), and that she needed to make sure she always had more food than was strictly necessary when travelling, to the point over being over-encumbered with supplies. There was very real sadness in her eyes when she thought back to that time. It was the first i had ever heard of the terrible treatment of the German people post-war. Quite shocking.

Blogger Canadian Warlord August 15, 2020 12:57 PM  

The questions of how many dying, in what circumstance, is first opening the door to all this nonsense in the first place. The fact is if (((they))) insist on historical baggage, on collective guilt, then they are at negative 5 million at least by this math calculation, corrected for local Ukrainian heritage:

(((hoax))) - Holodomor
(((6 million))) - 11 million = zero fucks given in Alberta

There's nothing Ezra Levant can do about it - they've said the magic incantation "judeo-christian" a million times and still it's not working. Maybe they need hotter bitches than Lauren Southern to parade around.

Blogger Scuzzaman August 15, 2020 1:01 PM  

Hard cases make bad laws.

Blogger Sam August 15, 2020 1:12 PM  

About 300,000 Greeks starved to death during the war. It wasn't part of a plan, the Greeks weren't a great enemy of the German Reich; the Nazis just couldn't feed everyone. Part of the problems were innate (conscription sucks up labor and you need fuel and machines for the war effort) and parts were Nazi stupidity (remember how gas became scarce in the US because the government set the price low? Now do that with food). The Germans managed to kill 2.8 million Soviet POWs by January 1942 mostly by starvation.

Jews were on Hitler's shit list and not surprisingly did worse.

Blogger Kraemer August 15, 2020 2:26 PM  

My grandma is just like that. Born in 42, so she was too young to verbalize most of her trauma. She has AT LEAST three week's worth of food at all times, more in the pantry. Doesn't even go to the gas station without a bottle of water and an apple. The meme that European grandparents overfeed the kids is due to this trauma. They all starved for at least a year. Her husband, ie my grandma. was about three inches shorter than he should have been, cos he was born in 33, so the starvation hit him in puberty. And they're both country folk, who had their own small field. Can't imagine what city kids went through.

Blogger crescent wrench August 15, 2020 2:38 PM  

Regarding laws banning parties from political office, don't we still have laws on the books banning communists and other openly anti-American parties from holding office?

It's time to enforce them.
I'm liking the set of fangs Barr has grown recently. Perhaps if they piss him off enough he will.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 15, 2020 2:41 PM  

They ruined a good high trust society by turning to typical histrionics. Perhaps we can hold them to some higher standards? Probably not, but I'm sure the POCs will taunt the gods of clay feet for us.

Dieter Dengler of "Little Dieter Must Fly" wrote that he, his mother and brother had to eat wall paper paste harvested off old wall paper in their Southern German town after the war. Then he almost starved in a Vietnamese POW camp and till he died he was a food hoarder.

Blogger van helsing August 15, 2020 2:43 PM  

well if one of the selfchosen whines to you about the holocaust (TM), tell them this... hey my grandfather died at Auschwitz too. (they will perk up) yeah he was laughing so hard he fell out of a guard tower and broke his neck. (big letdown for them, many yuks for you)

Blogger crescent wrench August 15, 2020 2:44 PM  

Darren wrote:Now that BigTech has more power over public opinion than any government in history, everyone should be shouting "if it's so true, why make it ban-worthy to question it?"

Yes, let's appeal to fairness.

Or it can be forced via multi-pronged lawfare.
Attack their carve-outs with equal protection lawsuits from competitors.
Once their carve-outs are gone, attack their censorship and anti-competitive behavior directly with anti-trust and other lawsuits.
Don't just settle for forcing their hand: demand their break-up.

Legislative solutions are unlikely to happen given the number of senators they've bought.

Lawfare Lawfare Lawfare.

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2020 2:47 PM  

@1- Akshally...Vox is giving you a pithy one-line quote. Not like it's a homework assignment on Italian Renaissance philosophy.

@20- Makes things easier if you throw blame on Germany for all of WWII (not counting the Far East I suppose). Then they're responsible for the biggest war ever. Terror famine can't compete.

On top of War Guilt there are absurd generalized moral claims laid upon all German actions (i.e. "attempted race-murder"). Which are accepted uncritically. At the same time, other Evil Empires have armies of defense lawyers ready to mitigate every charge. What makes the holocaust worse than any crime ever in the history of history? Well, a bunch of reasons. Mainly because they had the evillest motive ever motived. Also the way they went about it, which was the Metaphor for Modern Industrial Mass Murder method. Very unpoetic.

What makes Soviet crimes lesser? Reasons, again. Literally for some it's the fact that instead of a majority population persecuting a minority, it was a minority faction going after a larger group partly picked on political and class instead of ethnic bases. Even if the political group is made up of a particular ethnicity.

Basically, it's worse when we murder them. ("Us" is not the Nazis but rather any Euro-people.)

Blogger van helsing August 15, 2020 2:47 PM  

7 is right. 22 is a shill.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid August 15, 2020 3:04 PM  

110, here we come.

Blogger Crew August 15, 2020 4:41 PM  

@28: Mistakes were made. If we eliminate White Europeans those mistakes will not be made again! Clear?

Blogger Hylemorphist August 15, 2020 5:14 PM  

Two rules:
1. Don’t harm them.
2. Don’t let them influence your thinking, your beliefs, your society etc.

Getting the leftard NPCs and conservative cucks to repeat the two rules as a guide on how to treat those that hate you and then watch the inevitable cries of anti-semitism would be popcorn worthy.

Does anybody have a good picture that demonstrates the dominance of fake Americans in entertainment, news, finance, retail etc.? I’m thinking of getting the woke to use it in their anti-white supremacy memes followed by a fake American induced red pill of “but fake Americans are not white”.

Blogger eclecticme August 15, 2020 6:56 PM  

I know the Dutch Hunger Winter of 1944-45 was very bad.
I recall that pregnant women in that period gave birth so children that grew up to be obese/diabetic. See epigenetics.
A little OT, but if you want a pro German, anti British polemic try The Vampire of the Continent (1916). We are told how awful it was for the German U-boats to blockade Britain in WWII, leaving out that the British blockaded Germany in WWI.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 15, 2020 6:57 PM  

>extermination camps

At the risk of making Vox angry, get f'ed, Brett. Seriously. You consistently have
some of the worst & cuckiest takes in these comments.

Blogger Akulkis August 15, 2020 7:06 PM  

>> They need to show some respect to the deceased and stop making it all about them.

That's what narcisism does.

Blogger Shane Bradman August 15, 2020 10:20 PM  

To clarify, Churchill's naval blockade was after the first war. Most of the war crimes that happened to the Germans after the second war were perpetrated by Americans.

Blogger Storm Rhode August 15, 2020 10:53 PM  

Is that a conservative policy because it's destined to fail. But muh Catholic. How's that working out for them?

Blogger tublecane August 16, 2020 1:39 AM  

Along similar lines, I discover in the game Last of Us 2 there's a pointless digression in which you explore a synagogue and have a character teach you about the faith. Despite the fact that you can wreak any amount if damage you like elsewhere in the game, they don't allow you to do so in this building. Which doesn't surprise me, but is funny.

Because you know they had to weigh forcing a little Judaism down people's throats against giving badplayers a fat target.

Blogger Hylemorphist August 16, 2020 4:14 AM  

Storm Rhode: Is that a conservative policy because it's destined to fail. But muh Catholic. How's that working out for them?

Reply: It worked pretty well for them until they abandoned it.

Rule one has a physiological basis. Never underestimate the power of hate. The physiology behind hate is a long-term adaptation driven by the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal (HPA) axis. It can cause a person or group of people towards great but terrible ends. The Holocaust is a great tool to instill hatred (a power stimulus for the HPA axis, their natural adrenochrome atm) in Jews and serves to justify their treatment of those whom they think caused it. Not harming them cuts off this particular HPA stimulus by the knees and weakens their resolve. Of course hatred can also cause a person or group of people towards great but good ends if hatred is directed towards defeating evil. Inclusivity, tolerance and the rest of SJW woke BS are excellent tools to blunt the HPA axis that can instill hatred towards evil and the users of these tools know it.

This is where rule two comes in. If you are driven by hatred to stamp out evil then instead of causing harm, the hatred can be channeled towards utterly shutting out evil from any and all influence in your life, society, civilization etc. Vox is already demonstrating the effectiveness of this rule by building his own platforms and not being influenced by those that hate him. I am not saying he is or is not driven by hatred, I don't know, and you don't have to be driven by hate to apply rule two.

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 16, 2020 4:28 AM  

@Shane Bradman: By Americans? Or by people with US passports?

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" August 16, 2020 7:01 AM  

Hmm, makes you think... why didn't the kids of all the 'concentration camp survivors' grow up to be obese diabetics also if their parents were so abominably treated in kind?

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 16, 2020 10:15 AM  

I don't think I've ever seen an answer to : "If so, then who did the accounting?"

Blogger Major Styles August 16, 2020 2:35 PM  

Hollywood really did a number on everybody. Take The Blues Brothers where, out of nowhere, Jake and Elwood are suddenly being chased around by Nazis in Illinois. Or The Sound of Music, which segues from Julie Andrews singing in the Alps to her being chased around by Nazis.

The goyim muse about "it's only film...take it easy." Meanwhile, the Jews in Hollywood clutch onto the Narrative Machine like a starving dog gripping a hambone.

Blogger Canadian Warlord August 16, 2020 5:50 PM  

@43. Major Styles,

There's a Dave Thomas interview on the "Projection Booth Podcast" where he rambles on about a jewish producer who _had_ to squeek the nazis into the movie, "Strange Brew." They resisted and there remained a very dour and scheming Max Von Sydow, not goose-stepping. A movie based on a skit existing because of canadian content laws, still has to have nazis in it!
"Take off, hoser, there's a molson beer under that human lampshade."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 16, 2020 6:06 PM  

The Sound of Music is an autobiographical story by a nun who left the convent, got a job a nanny for an Austrian aristocrat, and got him to fall for her while escaping the Nazis. They couldn't very well tell her story without Nazis.

Blogger Grooveware August 16, 2020 6:27 PM  

Why was Steve Austin called the 6 million dollar man? 6 seems to be a special number for the Jews, no other religion could turn the horrors of war into a multi billion dollar industry.

Blogger eclecticme August 16, 2020 7:31 PM  

@41. bramley says "Enoch was right"August 16, 2020 7:01 AM
Hmm, makes you think... why didn't the kids of all the 'concentration camp survivors' grow up to be obese diabetics also if their parents were so abominably treated in kind?

The women had to be pregnant while starving, not likely in the camps. Epigenetics is strange and I am no expert. I recall some experiment where rats were conditioned to fear the smell of almonds(?) as they were shocked when they smelled it. This fear was passed down to their offspring.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" August 17, 2020 8:19 AM  

Wat! No conjugal visits in the camps?! Oy vey dem Nazis were bad news.

Blogger Avalanche August 18, 2020 7:03 AM  

@48 " No conjugal visits in the camps?!"

Gee. That's funny, because there were WEDDINGS in (some?) camps. There are WEDDING PHOTOS extant -- not secret, hidden from the eeeeebil natszi's photos; photos taken BY the camp photogs of prisoners marrying. Prisoners didn't have their own cameras in prison. The newly-weds may not have been able to live together in a cottage, but then, prisoners generally aren't afforded that luxury.

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