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Tuesday, August 04, 2020

No accountability

Anyone with more than half a brain will take their chances with the coronavirus instead of the so-called cure once it arrives:
Last week we warned readers to be cautious about new COVID-19 vaccines, highlighting how key parts of the clinical trials are being skipped as big pharma will not be held accountable for adverse side effects for administering the experimental drugs.

A senior executive from AstraZeneca, Britain's second-largest drugmaker, told Reuters that his company was just granted protection from all legal action if the company's vaccine led to damaging side effects.

"This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects," said Ruud Dobber, a top exec at AstraZeneca. "In the contracts we have in place, we are asking for indemnification. For most countries, it is acceptable to take that risk on their shoulders because it is in their national interest," said Dobber, adding that Astra and regulators were making safety and tolerability a top priority.

AstraZeneca is one of the 25 pharmaceutical companies across the world, testing experimental drugs that could be used to combat the deadly virus. And, of course, if testing yields positive results, AstraZeneca could manufacture hundreds of millions of doses, with no legal recourse if side effects are seen.
If vaccines were actually anywhere nearly as safe as the media usually claims them to be, their manufacturers would not require complete legal unaccountability for the harm done by them.

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102 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous August 04, 2020 12:50 PM  

Why do I see myself living in the mountains in the next few years?

Blogger Section 8A August 04, 2020 12:55 PM  

The vaccine issue has become as a religious faith with boomers and Karens. I'll frame VD's statement as a question sometimes: "If vaccines are safe, why does Big Pharma need legal immunity?"

Then I sit back and watch an oil tanker sized wall of text form in the air....

Blogger ADS August 04, 2020 1:15 PM  

Remember, health experts say we can't use an anti-malarial drug in common usage since 1955 to treat covid-19, because we need to be sure it's safe and effective.
We can skip all the clinical trials and safety studies for a vaccine though. Health experts say so, that means it's science.

Blogger Mocheirge August 04, 2020 1:15 PM  

Our Doctor, who art in DC, Deep be Thy name.
Thy vaccine come, Thy will be enforced, in flyover land as it is in DC.
Give us this day our daily circus, and forgive us our obstinance, as we forgive those who Karen against us.
Lead us not into Z-paks, but deliver us from introspection.

Blogger Some Guy August 04, 2020 1:17 PM  

I'm sticking with hydrochloroquine and zinc. Already talked to my doctor about it if the need arises. They can take the RNA/DNA vaccines with Lucifase and stick it up their collective asses.

Blogger Jack Amok August 04, 2020 1:18 PM  

Patreon writes a clever ToS. Big Pharma writes a check to a Senator.

Blogger Gregory the Tall August 04, 2020 1:19 PM  

A group of EU countries is paying them to provide a cure that might very well be worse than the disease allegedly at no profit (at "cost price"), so cui bono? Your tax dollars at work to turn you into a vegetable, how vegan and laudable!
https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/astrazeneca-to-supply-europe-with-up-to-400-million-doses-of-oxford-universitys-vaccine-at-no-profit.html

Blogger Stilicho August 04, 2020 1:21 PM  

Well, "side effects" are one way to get rid of leftists dumb enough to get the vaccines. Silver linings... especially if cuckservatives take the shots too...

Blogger Lunchbag Lizard August 04, 2020 1:25 PM  

Vaccines can harm people. The 1955 Cutter Incident. The company's mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus and resulted in people contracting polio. Even Wikipedia has reported on this incident.

Blogger 1100 August 04, 2020 1:40 PM  

When there is an approved vaccine then the first 10 million doses should be sent to one US military base. Random vials of this vaccine will be publicly administered to all the top executives and scientists from the company who came up with it. The politicians who promote this should also be first in line.

Then we can see if they put their own health where their mouths are.

Blogger 7916 August 04, 2020 1:44 PM  

Infertility will not be easy to detect.

Blogger Newscaper312 August 04, 2020 2:00 PM  

$64k question is if in limiting liability for the makers, the government's are establishing their own funds for possible harm, as is sometimes done.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 04, 2020 2:01 PM  

Oh, it's worse than these vaccines just being unsafe. With those legal protections, the companies could put whatever they like in there and be free of remuneration for it.

Giving me Dahmer vibes, "I had these obsessive desires and thoughts wanting to control them [victims], to–I don't know how to put it–possess them permanently". That, of course, coming from the guy who tried to do something like lobotomize some of his victims with acid.

Blogger Joseph August 04, 2020 2:05 PM  

I don’t know... I can certainly see everyone’s point but I can also remember the realities of these types of trials... where some jackass like John Edwards parades a horseshit case in front of a panel of room-temp IQ jurors who feel really sorry for the plaintiff and don’t see the harm in awarding big money since it’s someone else’s money (i.e. the best kind to spend, e.g. Congress).

I mean, I work in the business and won’t be taking any sort of fast-tracked vaccine, but I can see the pharma’s point too. For every legitimate claim there’s probably 20 Edwardses, just looking to win the litigation lottery.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia August 04, 2020 2:10 PM  

VD wrote:

If vaccines were actually anywhere nearly as safe as the media usually claims them to be, their manufacturers would not require complete legal unaccountability for the harm done by them.

Really?

Tell that to Monsanto, who had to shell out billions to a whole bunch of shyster lawyers who convinced a bunch of low and midwit jurors -- most of whom couldn't pronounce the word "protoplasm" -- that Roundup causes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

It has ZERO to do with science.

The personal injury lawyers were no doubt palpitating with orgasmic reactions to the enormous targets of opportunity the Kung flu vaccines would provide.

"Look..my client got lung cancer...it's all the vaccine's fault!

The sleazoid cable commercials narrated by the mellifluous non-attorney spokesman write themselves.

Blogger Noah B. August 04, 2020 2:10 PM  

Risks to children from Covid-19 infection are practically zero. It's grossly irresponsible to inject some new and untested vaccine into a child when that child isn't in danger in the first place.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 04, 2020 2:11 PM  

"If vaccines are safe, why does Big Pharma need legal immunity?"

Because no one, especially governments, are willing to pay what Big Pharma would have to charge to build reserves for their long term legal costs in a zillion jurisdictions. They are of course the only organizations that operate on a scale to produced 100s of millions of doses, and they've been playing the liability game forever.

The US is paying AstraZeneca $1.2 billion up front for 300 million doses of their vaccine (Project "Warp Speed", Manhattan Project style, this is happening in parallel with other vaccine candidates). AstraZeneca is also claiming they aren't going to make a profit from their COVID-19 vaccine production, for what that's worth. Obviously they'd be pilloried, if not literally guillotined if they reserved enough money to cover their legal costs. What would be enough for the notoriously litigious, and almost entirely donating to the Democrats, US plaintiff's bar? 10 billion? 100 billion?

Because costs there would be, it's inherent in vaccines that there will be bad outcomes, generally including death, if you give them to enough people. Same is true with any medication, including the mostly harmless HCQ. It's all a matter of risk/benefit tradeoffs.

Thinking about that, Trump's Warp Speed project is awfully optimistic there will be a need for 300 million doses of vaccine in the US, because one of our political tribes is rejecting the entire concept as violently as the other tribe is rejecting the HCQ quadrumvirate. I suppose excesses could be sold to other countries, and this does of course assume any of these vaccines pass their 30,000 people phase III trials.

And I'll continue to repeat: you can just let the wild type virus infect you and yours sooner or later and get immunity the old fashioned way. The goal of herd immunity, to protect those for whom a vaccine does not infer personal immunity, doesn't care how that's achieved, and it will happen sooner or later no matter what we do or don't do with something this infectious.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams August 04, 2020 2:13 PM  

How much economic fallout will result from results of this "safe" vaccine if people are too damaged to work?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 04, 2020 2:19 PM  

Thalidomide. Given for 2 plus decades after it was discovered to cause horrific deformities and death.
Never trust these people. My brother in law was one of the children who got polio after the vaccine. He passed away in December, after decades of declining health.

Blogger carnaby August 04, 2020 2:57 PM  

Vox, your are literally killing my 94 year old grandma who otherwise probably has a year or so to live if you could encourage everyone to take the damn vaccine. How dare you literally kill my grandma by spreading this misinformation?

You fiend.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 04, 2020 3:02 PM  

@9 Lunchbag Lizard:

Vaccines can harm people. The 1955 Cutter Incident. The company's mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus and resulted in people contracting polio....

Good point. If and when a vaccine passes stage III trials, there's going to be tremendous pressure on the company manufacturing it to make doses ASAP ... thus you might want to take an earlier manufactured dose to avoid this sort of mistake!

Except I see Cutter also started production ahead of approval, and:

Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio. The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths.

This exact screwup is probably not in the cards, I can't imagine trying to inactivate an enveloped virus in same way the polio virus with its exclusively protein outer surface was with formaldehyde. Any based on growing live viruses would I imagine follow the grown in egg membranes flu vaccine protocol and harvest only the proteins that infer immunity.

But there are plenty of other ways to screw up, and US and Western society isn't the one it was in 1955. We've even seen an Indian company import it's "rerun QA until it 'passes'" ethos to an American manufacturing facility it set up....

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 3:04 PM  

This might end up being what makes me quit the army before reaching 60.

Blogger Russell Morrison August 04, 2020 3:08 PM  

"...testing experimental drugs that could be used to combat the deadly virus."

"Deadly" as in less lethal than the vaccine. Thanks, I'll take the disease over the cure.

Fear porn makes me absolutely sure I am hearing a lie, and I'll be sure to look out the window to verify the color of the sky, and put my hand a bowl to verify the wetness of water.

Blogger thethirdcoast August 04, 2020 3:13 PM  

Quercetin is another zinc conduit available OTC. There are also some foods that are rich in quercetin.

Blogger steb August 04, 2020 3:16 PM  

Will compulsory vaccines apply on a per state level, per city, or per employer? There's no chance of them applying it nationally in the US, but I can see France, Spain and Germany making it compulsory for everyone except immigrants. And presumably health insurers could refuse to cover the non-vaccinated.

Blogger Crew August 04, 2020 3:20 PM  

Will Ghislaine Maxwell be the first victim of a Covid-19 vaccine?

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2020/08/blind-item-10_4.html

Blogger Hbogbinder August 04, 2020 3:20 PM  

You don't really need to be a vaccine sceptic as regards MMR, polio, etc, to worry about a COVID vaccine. The latter has bypassed the usual testing process and is part of a highly politicized response to a politicized virus. In fact, it is almost the case that if you are *not* a vaccine sceptic -- justifying your confidence with reference to the extensive clinical testing regime, intense regulatory oversight, and historically demonstrated safety and efficacy of the standard battery of vaccines -- you would have every reason to harbor doubts about *this* vaccine, which checks none of those boxes.

Blogger OldFan August 04, 2020 3:47 PM  

It is going to get a lot worse.

The primary threat to the US in the foreseeable future is not nuclear, radiological or chemical weapons: it is bio-weapons. All of the rest are limited in effect or very complex to construct (there are only 4 people in the US that can machine a nuclear weapon, using the equipment at only one facility).

Bioweapons manufacture themselves and we deliver them to each other.

And what is the countermeasure? Rapid virus detection, vaccine research, vaccine production, vaccine distribution, and vaccine delivery. Did I say vaccine enough times?

The organization we will have to build to do this task will need on the order of 100,000 personnel. To practice, they will probably manufacture and administer all vaccines for free, all year round.

Are people going to like it? NO.

Are people going to accept it? When something boils out of Asia and kills tens of millions? YES.

If they do not, it will be a self-correcting problem.

Blogger BalancedTryteOperators August 04, 2020 3:52 PM  

All adult Americans have the freedom to reject vaccines and facemasks and eat the natural biological consequences of doing so, whatever they may be. All Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of one's notion of happiness.

Blogger kurt9 August 04, 2020 3:53 PM  

I have a friend who knows someone's mother who ended up bedridden for the rest of her life due to guillain-barré syndrome from the Swine Flux vaccine in 1976. The National Childhood Vaccine Act passed in 1986 granted complete immunity from liability to the vaccine manufacturers. It also established a "parallel" court system for vaccine injury cases that has different standards and procedures than the conventional civil court system. Only vaccine manufacturers benefit from this. Even the manufacturers of regular pharmaceutical compounds (e.g. Vioxx) do not enjoy these benefits.

The "experts" and mainstream media like to depict vaccine skeptics such as myself as either far right religious nuts or far left nature nuts. However, the vast majority of us are neither, but have become skeptics due to direct personal experience or experience of friends or family members.

The side effects of vaccines are from two causes. The first is from Thimerosal, the Mercury preservative that is still used in adult vaccines. The chronic Mercury poisoning causes a multitude of effects that vary considerably between individuals. The second is auto-immunity problems that result from the adjuvants, mostly Aluminum salts, that are used to boost the effectiveness of vaccines.

It is worth noting that the underlying molecular-biology of adjuvants has never been properly researched and understood by medical science.

Blogger K. August 04, 2020 3:58 PM  

I don't have kids and I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to vaccines. What I have noticed recently is an increase in people using "anti-vaxxer" as an insult and if most people are against something, I'm always interested in it.


Could someone who's actually done the research enlighten me on this? Obviously, I can see what's wrong with what Vox is describing here but what about the common vaccines we all get as kids?

Are some worse than others, even among the "accepted" ones?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 04, 2020 4:00 PM  

OldFan wrote:And what is the countermeasure? Rapid virus detection, vaccine research, vaccine production, vaccine distribution, and vaccine delivery. Did I say vaccine enough times?


Bullshit.
When a real weaponized virus comes out of Asia, the targets will be dead long before any possible vaccine could be developed.

Blogger Stilicho August 04, 2020 4:02 PM  

For anyone complaining about pharma needing liability protection for vaccines--how do they survive without liability protection for all of their other drugs (which is the overwhelming majority of what they sell)?

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 4:06 PM  

@ThatWouldBeTelling

You continue to put far too much faith in and industry dominated at all levels (major stockholders, senior executives, R&D, production) by people who abuse and misuse any trust extended to them because in their ethical model, fraud and criminal negligence and malfeasance only occurs when it happens to them, not when they do it to some else.

Blogger Gregory the Tall August 04, 2020 4:13 PM  

@steb. You wrote
"I can see France, Spain and Germany making it compulsory for everyone except immigrants"
You are dead right, because the immigrants would set the hospital on fire once a family member dies after being inoculated there.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo August 04, 2020 4:19 PM  

Infertility will not be easy to detect.
This.

Also at some point people will just decide that shooting nuclear war is preferable to endless bio-warfare, especially if they just decide to shoot pharma companies.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 04, 2020 4:20 PM  

Hospitals and medical professionals would really be wise to distance themselves from big pharma right now given how high vaccine skepticism is.
They won't, because the money is too good.

Blogger Joe Smith August 04, 2020 4:35 PM  

@OldFan OK, you go ahead and pump yourself full of poison. I'll watch. You can mumble gibberish about biowarfare all you like, I'll never line up to get pumped full of your garbage based on promises of non-existent safety.

Blogger Krymneth August 04, 2020 4:37 PM  

K. wrote:What I have noticed recently is an increase in people using "anti-vaxxer" as an insult and if most people are against something, I'm always interested in it.

It's a whole bunch of binary thinkers, binarily thinking at each other.

Some people made some hasty and probably false accusations about vaccines, which got amplified in various media, and decided that therefore, vaccines are Bad, forever and always.

The people who decided this had heavy overlap with Badthinkers according to the modern political mainstream consensus, so they've decided that vaccines are Good, forever and always. Because they can't be Bad, and the only other option that exists is that they are always Good, and anyone who questions that must secretly be a dumbstupid who thinks they are Bad.

You can expect a big media presence from the latter to show up in the near future pushing this Coronavirus vaccine and trying to slur anybody who asks questions about it as being the dumbstupids who think vaccines are totally Bad. You don't want to be a dumbstupid, do you? Then you should agree that vaccines are Good, simply by virtue of getting the label "vaccine" slapped on it, and be a Goodcitizen and take it.

In the meantime, smarter people who aren't generally paying attention will still observe vaccines in fact can be bad, and a rushed vaccine is a very scary thing, based on the history of vaccines and not any poorly-sourced accusations. Smart people who have been paying attention will observe that evil is running rampant right now and they've got everything set up to literally put anything they want in the vaccines without accountability, and this is even less reason to let them stick you with it.

You don't need to worry about whether or not the accusations about autism or infertility are based in truth. Just the readily available well-established consequences say that a rushed vaccine is quite likely to do you more statistical harm than even the worst projections of Covid the media can muster. If it killed 30% of the people it infected in the age range 20-40, we'd have a different conversation, but with its current batting average, it just isn't that dangerous to justify a huge risk.

Blogger Jack Ward August 04, 2020 4:45 PM  

This, a thousand times. Covid 19 was never a pandemic, unless you had some rough morbidity. Where the SHTF will be if the 'miracle vaccine' is made mandatory. At gun point? Or, the equivalent in removal from the social system, making a living, etc. If that sounds like 'mark of the beast', yes.
I hope Trump is not that stupid. And, Fauci in one of the more obvious conflicts of interest, moved the modena vaccine to the top of the list. He gets money from the company. Denninger at market ticker made the case, strongly, that there has never been a truly successful carona type vaccine. Couple that with the also obvious success of the HCQ/zinc treatment and why in the name of sanity would anyone take a rushed to market vaccine for a common flu that is winding down? By the way, if you do have to use the HCQ protocol be sure and require doxycycline for the antibiotic if you have heart problems. The azithromycin can kill you if you have irregular heart beat like me. The Docxy causes few if any heart difficulties. Always do your own research or make damn sure you a a good doc you trust.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box August 04, 2020 4:48 PM  

If the vaccine ends up with significant collateral damage to the population, then I would expect that if the courts will not mete out justice, some other disgruntled people with maimed or dead loved ones will.

Blogger Noah B. August 04, 2020 4:55 PM  

"The side effects of vaccines are from two causes."

You've identified some key issues but there are many others. For example - some vaccines contain DNA fragments from aborted fetuses, so what is the ultimate fate of that DNA after it's injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing the body's primary immune defenses to become circulating free DNA (cfDNA)? It's known that mitchondrial DNA has high potential to cause inflammation and that higher levels of cfDNA are associated with many cancers, so what potential harm can the DNA found in vaccines do? Because vaccine makers are shielded from liability they have little interest in investigating such unanswered questions.

Blogger Troushers August 04, 2020 4:55 PM  

I wonder if the vaccine's fatality rate will be less than Covid's fatality rate?

Blogger boogeyman August 04, 2020 4:55 PM  

Just turned 50, have had a heart attack and stroke, and I'm pretty sure I had this crap back in Feb before there were reliable tests available to everyone. I spent two days throwing up blood and phlegm, and it felt like it was coming up from my lungs instead of my gut. It felt like I was dying, and I've had trouble breathing since.

Still wouldn't have taken this vaccine, and I'm not going to take it until it's been out for 4 or 5 years. Most people wait for some new bit of technology to be in circulation for a year or three before they go out and buy one. If you can wait for the kinks to be worked out of some new gadget, you can probably wait for the kinks to be worked out of this. I mean, it's not like we're facing a world ending zombie plague or something. Let someone else be an early adopter.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 04, 2020 4:56 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:VD wrote:

If vaccines were actually anywhere nearly as safe as the media usually claims them to be, their manufacturers would not require complete legal unaccountability for the harm done by them.

Really?

Tell that to Monsanto, who had to shell out billions to a whole bunch of shyster lawyers who convinced a bunch of low and midwit jurors -- most of whom couldn't pronounce the word "protoplasm" -- that Roundup causes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

It has ZERO to do with science.

The personal injury lawyers were no doubt palpitating with orgasmic reactions to the enormous targets of opportunity the Kung flu vaccines would provide.

"Look..my client got lung cancer...it's all the vaccine's fault!

The sleazoid cable commercials narrated by the mellifluous non-attorney spokesman write themselves.


I smell a gamma. Shall the Wild Hunt begin?

Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between a vaccine and a spray bottle, you're an absolute useless moron.

No company in the USA has been sued over bad vaccine reactions because it's impossible.
Both doctors and vaccine companies are exempt from such lawsuits. Instead, you have to file a claim with the Department of Health and Human Services.

Google it.

Blogger tuberman August 04, 2020 4:59 PM  

28. OldFan

Worse? All we have with CV-19 is Fake lockdowns with Fake numbers. And, people like you trying to spread panic so there will be further economic damage.
Ah-h-h more fear porn.

Reminder: CV-19 when it's tracked accurately kills old people, and people with usually multiple pre-existing conditions. If you stay away from Ace inhibitors, and several other meds that obviously enhance your chance of getting the virus, and make it worse if you do get it. Chances are, even if you're old, or in the high risk groups a few precautions will get you through with minor symptoms.

It's been shown many times, that blue state governors are purposely murdering nursing home patients by shoving CV-19 positive people in among them. There has also been a money incentive to call all kinds of other deaths CV-19 deaths.

Children don't get deathly sick from this EVER, and people below 55 seldom get very sick. Most of the people who die are well over 70. Considering the amount of hypochondria that exists...??

The damage is being done by this fear porn spread by propagandists.

Blogger Gregory the Tall August 04, 2020 5:19 PM  

@thatwouldbetelling. You wrote:
"Because costs there would be, it's inherent in vaccines that there will be bad outcomes, generally including death, if you give them to enough people. Same is true with any medication, including the mostly harmless HCQ. It's all a matter of risk/benefit tradeoffs."

One has to mention, however, that if only 0,2 percent or less of the population might ever require HCQ a vaccine administered to everybody would have be more harmless by several orders of magnitude.

Blogger Crew August 04, 2020 5:42 PM  

@21: Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio.

That proves that the polio vaccine is essentially useless since abortive polio is the version that most people get and recover from completely. Aseptic meningitis from contracting the polio virus also does not cause paralysis, but is more serious than abortive polio.

The vaccines have probably paralyzed and killed more people than polio itself has.

Blogger cpenn August 04, 2020 5:42 PM  

Has no one seen the movies "I am Legend" or "Serenity"??? Sorry, not taking a pre-mature vaccine for a virus with a <.02% death rate.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 04, 2020 5:44 PM  

@34 Akulkis:

@ThatWouldBeTelling

You continue to put far too much faith in and industry dominated at all levels (major stockholders, senior executives, R&D, production) by people who abuse and misuse any trust extended to them because in their ethical model, fraud and criminal negligence and malfeasance only occurs when it happens to them, not when they do it to some else.


Maybe so. I will admit to partiality to AstraZeneca, for I wouldn't be alive without a drug they brought to market. I don't think they and the rest of "Big Pharma" are quite the black hats you make them out to be.

Blogger tdcommenter August 04, 2020 5:44 PM  

"Anyone with more than half a brain will take their chances with the coronavirus"

Only if one is so gauche as to still believe in math:
"Woke Leftist SJWs Actually Do Start Arguing That 2+2 does Equal 5, If That's How You Feel About It"
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=389450

Blogger Don Vance August 04, 2020 5:49 PM  

i would feel safer rushing the training to solo for my private pilot license than rushing to take karen's vaccine

Blogger tdcommenter August 04, 2020 5:55 PM  

"Anyone with more than half a brain will take their chances with the coronavirus", if people are so gauche as to still believe in math.

"Woke Leftist SJWs Actually Do Start Arguing That 2+2 does Equal 5, If That's How You Feel About It"
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=389450

Blogger Cinco August 04, 2020 6:01 PM  

Nobody lets a crises go to waste, not even the drug companies. One day the rope manufacturers won’t either.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 04, 2020 6:09 PM  

Obviously they'd be pilloried, if not literally guillotined if they reserved enough money to cover their legal costs.

Poor widdle AstraZeneca, just a mom and pop operation really, without a nickel to spare for legal costs. My heart bleeds. Why won't anyone think of the giant multinational conglomerates!?!?!!?

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 04, 2020 6:30 PM  

All you have to do to know vaccines are not meant to help us is to notice that their biggest advocate supports a 90% reduction in world population, and does not vaccinate himself or his family.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 04, 2020 6:32 PM  

Good thing I already have enough to homestead if I get a "take the shot or you're fired" scenario.
This vaccine alters DNA.
Then in 10 years we hear the blithering retards: "Gee, I don't know why cancer is up 500 percent. What's on Netflix? I'm hungry. Is the game on?"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 04, 2020 6:34 PM  

Troushers wrote:I wonder if the vaccine's fatality rate will be less than Covid's fatality rate?
Officially? Of course.
In reality? Maybe not.
Compared to the Chinkypox fatality rate when given early treatment with HCQ, zinc and azithromycin? Probably not.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 04, 2020 6:55 PM  

Funny thing is, the United States and Sweden don't really need it any more as the virus has already hit the required 12% or so that's necessary for herd immunity to kick in enough for cases to start declining on their own, based upon reported cases only being one-tenth the actual infection rate. As of today, it's 14.4%.

Now tell that to Europe, Canada, Australia, and other leftist Western countries who locked down and didn't have enough highly-susceptible minorities like blacks, Latinos, or American Indians to cause their lockdowns to fail, but which now are on constant high dudgeon about imported cases.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 04, 2020 6:59 PM  

@47 Gregory the Tall:

@thatwouldbetelling. You wrote:
"Because costs there would be, it's inherent in vaccines that there will be bad outcomes, generally including death, if you give them to enough people. Same is true with any medication, including the mostly harmless HCQ. It's all a matter of risk/benefit tradeoffs."

One has to mention, however, that if only 0,2 percent or less of the population might ever require HCQ a vaccine administered to everybody would have be more harmless by several orders of magnitude.


That the usual way risk/benefit ratios are handled for drugs for the sick vs. vaccines for the healthy. A pandemic like this one changes those a bit, but any vaccines that pass phase III should indeed be quite a bit safer than the HCQ quadrumvirate, several orders of magnitude sounds right to me.

They still won't be 100% safe; suppose "they" (it's all theory until we have ones that have passed phase III trials) kill 1 in a million who receive them, disable quite a few more, etc. Are they worth taking? That depends.

One other thing I've read is that this rush means they'll be missing a normal phase of fine tuning. I looked up the Moderna details for yesterday's discussion, in mcg they did 25, 100, and 250, then 50 and 100, and phase III will be 100 mcg given to 15,000 people with an equal number of placebo controls to discern efficacy. Without looking at any of the data, one wonders why 75 and/or perhaps 125 and 150 mcg aren't being tested.

@40 Jack Ward:

Fauci in one of the more obvious conflicts of interest, moved the modena vaccine to the top of the list.

I think they're at "the top of the list" because their technology is inherently fast to create vaccine candidates, like Protein Science's for flu, the latter created a batch in a matter of days back when there was a bird flu outbreak in Asia. The major variables are which types of cells you want to target, which by now may be a menu type of thing, and what snippets of mRNA to put into it, based on what they think will produce conserved proteins or regions of them once it hijacks some human cells to produce them, just like SARS-CoV-2.

Not an expert in this field, but I can see more trial and error in some other approaches, including adjuvants, which are from what I understand pretty close to black magic, but might not be needed for their approach.

Note that Fauci can be both corrupt and not incorrect in everything he boosts. He certainly has said some correct things as he's wandered all over the map in what we should do about COVID-19, stop clock and all that.

Blogger Canadian Warlord August 04, 2020 7:03 PM  

I've worked with two electricians (coincidentally) over the years, each with a daughter who was damaged by the 18 month package of vaccines. One has a hyperbaric chamber in the back of a van (of all places) and last I heard is slowly bringing her back to a fully functioning brain.

Both these men were told, privately, by their doctors that it was the vaccines. The doctors will not say it publicly.

The interesting thing to me is that both surely started as "vaxxers." What's driving the "anti vaxxer nutjob hysteria?" Vaccinations!

It does look like the narrative is headed towards vaccinating for corona-chan. I've been working on debts and am honestly game planning having to quit my job. It's the line in the sand. For anyone with a job in the firing line, start working that next career now. Because the number of unemployed people after the "choice," is going to be yuge.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 04, 2020 7:07 PM  

@55 My 1 millionth internet profile

Obviously they'd be pilloried, if not literally guillotined if they reserved enough money to cover their legal costs.

Poor widdle AstraZeneca, just a mom and pop operation really, without a nickel to spare for legal costs. My heart bleeds. Why won't anyone think of the giant multinational conglomerates!?!?!!?


They don't, you know, have to do anything, they could stand pat and say they aren't going to accept any of the deals being offered to them. And they do have a duty to not bankrupt themselves, you're asking them to take an unbounded risk in a crisis where they won't be able to take as much care as they normally do in developing a vaccine.

Would the world be better off if half of "Big Pharma" was put out of business? We'd be paying less for drugs, seeing how how that would end the development of many new ones. Few think this through and wonder if one day, they might die from something that could be cured or mitigated by the Big Pharma companies they hate with a red hot fury, a future we're rapidly approaching.

Blogger Shane Bradman August 04, 2020 7:07 PM  

If take my chances with an uncontrolled spread over the Victoria police state enforced unemployment.

Blogger Haxo Angmark August 04, 2020 7:17 PM  

all Jews, Blacks, mestizos, and gooks should get their "vaccinations"

ASAP.

Blogger Duh August 04, 2020 7:32 PM  

Looks like we need a better control. If big pharma wants to cut corners and not do due diligence, the first people to receive new vaccines should be the scientists, CEOs and their families

Blogger 7916 August 04, 2020 7:46 PM  

@28 (and @32, because you're right) future bioweapons will either kill quickly or will disable their populations in some way, and the only defense is not a vaccine but a border. A rigorously enforced border with ship sinking, aircraft shootdown, automatic death penalty for illegal crossing, and a six week quarantine for legitimate visitors. Victoria will be a thing, though I hope the part about the northwest US never, ever comes to pass.

Vaccines are a thing of convenience, not a first line of defense. A border is.

Blogger rumpole5 August 04, 2020 8:18 PM  

I'm a Boomer. I lost my complete confidence in vaccines in the 1970s with the Swine Flu inoculation debacle. A number of SF inoculees ended up paralyzed. Many of my contemporaries are equally sceptical of Government sponsered vaccines.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 8:50 PM  

>> Maybe so. I will admit to partiality to AstraZeneca, for I wouldn't be alive without a drug they brought to market. I don't think they and the rest of "Big Pharma" are quite the black hats you make them out to be.

I trust them to a point.

Example -- The VA covers the cost of various inhalers to keep me breathing, due to service-related lung issues. Albuterol with an extending agent and another of inhaled steroids, but to prevent/suppress asthma symptoms, and straight albuterol when the others have been overwhelmed. If I was buying the first two out of pocket every month, it would costs me over $450/month, and albuterol is about $75 per 200-inhalation canister.

I am incredibly thankful for these, as without them, I would have most likely drowned/suffocated in my own mucus years ago.

Blogger map August 04, 2020 9:17 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:Tell that to Monsanto, who had to shell out billions to a whole bunch of shyster lawyers who convinced a bunch of low and midwit jurors -- most of whom couldn't pronounce the word "protoplasm" -- that Roundup causes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Vaccine companies have been exempt under the PREP Act for decades. There is a separate fund that pays for vaccine adverse reactions. It has paid out $4 billion so far.

Besides, Monsanto is not exempt from legal liability for producing Roundup. Why should AstraZeneca be exempt?

Keep in mind an important element here: the plaintiffs bar has never challenged the vaccine's exemption from liability. The plaintiff's bar has walked away from at least $4 billion in settlements. Think about that. What exactly do you think is their motivation for this? That their cases are so slam dunk it would render vaccines nonviable for manufacture in the US?

This tells you how dangerous vaccines really are, compared to things like thalidomide.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 04, 2020 9:30 PM  

"any vaccines that pass phase III should indeed be quite a bit safer than the HCQ quadrumvirate, several orders of magnitude sounds right to me."

Found the person totally unfamiliar with drug trials, let alone vaccine trials.

"They don't, you know, have to do anything,"

And they, of all people, should be able to easily recognize how much of a threat Corona isn't. So ask yourself, why are they rushing to produce 300 million injections for 360 million people in the USA? Your best possible rationalization is that they're virtue signaling their benignity with it. Fuck off.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 04, 2020 9:33 PM  

"Would the world be better off if half of "Big Pharma" was put out of business? We'd be paying less for drugs, seeing how how that would end the development of many new ones. Few think this through and wonder if one day, they might die from something that could be cured or mitigated by the Big Pharma companies they hate with a red hot fury, a future we're rapidly approaching."

Risks benefit analysis says you're a moron. Your repeated postings say you're a concern troll.

Blogger map August 04, 2020 9:57 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:They don't, you know, have to do anything, they could stand pat and say they aren't going to accept any of the deals being offered to them. And they do have a duty to not bankrupt themselves, you're asking them to take an unbounded risk in a crisis where they won't be able to take as much care as they normally do in developing a vaccine.

But they make pharmaceutical products that are not exempt from liability. Why vaccines?

Blogger map August 04, 2020 10:05 PM  

Coronavirus vaccine is like Brawndo...it's got electrolytes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 04, 2020 10:11 PM  

@Akulkis,
15 years ago, the straight albuterol inhaler cost $5, and the fancy combo inhaler cost $15. A-Z jacked the price up because the could.
Still feeling quite so grateful to the exploitive bastards at A-Z?

Blogger Taylor? August 04, 2020 10:12 PM  

I'm already not looking forward to getting my annual Kung flu shot in addition to my regular flu shot. Although I'm currently in isolation after testing positive last week so maybe they won't make me get one... Ah who am I kidding.

Blogger Jack Amok August 04, 2020 11:42 PM  

Would the world be better off if half of "Big Pharma" was put out of business?

Yes, if it's the right half.

A-Z is kinda like Patreon. The lotto-legal system is a problem, but I'm through defending corrupt companies as a byproduct of legal reform. Let them suffer. Once we're able to re-establish a civilized society, however long that takes, we can look at tort reform. Until then, it's partisan all the way.

Blogger Crew August 05, 2020 12:07 AM  

I'm already not looking forward to getting my annual Kung flu shot in addition to my regular flu shot.

Why are you even bothering with the fucking flu shots?

Vitamin D and zinc and good health!

Mucus in a healthy individual is your best defense!

https://www.virology.ws/2014/01/08/cutting-through-mucus-with-the-influenza-virus-neuraminidase/

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 05, 2020 12:28 AM  

I went back and looked at the stories attacking the doctor who got his Lancet article unpublished. Dr. Andrew Wakefield. Not through it all yet but much reads like a Very Bad Boy Wikipedia entry. Over the top enough to activate the old BS detector.

Blogger Auriga August 05, 2020 12:51 AM  

boogeyman wrote:Just turned 50, have had a heart attack and stroke..

Heart disease is primarily caused by toxic metals, and nutrient deficiencies. The most important deficiencies for heart disease are magnesium, lysine, and vitamins C, D, and K2. Toxic metals include aluminum, cadmium, lead, mercury and thallium.

To cure heart disease, take a good multivitamin which has organic magnesium and vitamin K2, to solve nutrient deficiencies:
https://naturelo.com/collections/mens-health/products/one-daily-multivitamin-men-60
https://naturelo.com/collections/womens-health/products/one-daily-multivitamin-women-60
https://naturelo.com/collections/womens-health/products/one-daily-multivitamin-women-50-plus

Also, take EDTA orally at bedtime to slowly eliminate toxic metals:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01MXRRZTQ
https://www.townsendletter.com/Chelation/chelation_extreme.htm

Also, use Pauling/Rath therapy with at least 3 grams/day of vitamin C (to prevent arterial calcification) and lysine (to remove existing calcification):
https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Vitamin-Crystals-Ascorbic-Powder/dp/B00028LX1U
https://www.amazon.com/NutraBio-L-Lysine-Powder-500-Grams/dp/B00333D4VS
https://jeffreydachmd.com/heart-disease-vitamin-c-and-linus-pauling2
https://saveyourheart.com/effective-cholesterol-reduction-and-blood-pressure-reduction/

The cure for heart disease has been around for years, parts of it for decades. The medical industry suppressed it, killing millions.

Blogger Jad August 05, 2020 1:03 AM  

*Weeks* not years, bro. Good luck though!

Blogger cyrus83 August 05, 2020 1:27 AM  

I would sooner be infected with the actual live virus after starting on HCQ and Zinc rather than take this rushed to market vaccine.

Vaccines have become overused and overhyped, and this one will be so hyped that a fair segment of the population would probably do anything to get it, despite the fact that it will be unproven and that almost all available evidence suggests this virus primarily kills people who are already vulnerable with other health issues and near the end of life (they call them co-morbidities for a reason).

Blogger Josh Brown August 05, 2020 2:34 AM  

Silly isn't it although the 'studies' rushed through to discredit HCQ once Trump endorsed it tend to be along the lines of we cannot be sure there is a statistically significant effect in treating SARS2, so ban it. If there is any logical connection it would have to be an argument which ignored those who might benefit from HCQ and instead considered third parties, e.g. money spent on government subsidies for HCQ or potential suits against service providers using HCQ when a patient still dies, so better they certainly die up front than deal with uncertainty.

Blogger T-Square Bear August 05, 2020 7:45 AM  

As far as legal liability go, no one coerces me to take ventolin or use round up. TPTB will surely coerce us to take this vaccine (as with many others). No liability for a mandated shot before you are sick is very different to no liability for a medicine you choose after getting sick.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 05, 2020 7:50 AM  

@70. Azure Amaranthine

"any vaccines that pass phase III should indeed be quite a bit safer than the HCQ quadrumvirate, several orders of magnitude sounds right to me."

Found the person totally unfamiliar with drug trials, let alone vaccine trials.


If so, explain how. All I'm confessing ignorance to is the exact risks allowed for drugs for the sick, and
vaccines for the healthy. I know there's a big difference, I don't know how much. Quick, without looking it up, tell me the figures for normal drugs based on severity of illness, normal vaccines for frequently lethal or maiming illnesses, and pandemic vaccines.

"They don't, you know, have to do anything,"

And they, of all people, should be able to easily recognize how much of a threat Corona isn't. So ask yourself, why are they rushing to produce 300 million injections for 360 million people in the USA? Your best possible rationalization is that they're virtue signaling their benignity with it. Fuck off.


So I just imagined COVID-19 already exceeding our worse pandemics since 1918-19, and it's barely begun to storm through our population? Or maybe it's because I have Silent Generation parents I'd prefer survive it? While they're not yet in them, in my area almost all the deaths are from a very few long term care facilities that failed to keep it out. And it would be nice if those who are defenseless against Blue state governors in such facilities had more options. Fuck off, genocidal socipath (one of many who's revealed I don't belong in your tribe).

@72. mapAugust 04, 2020 9:57 PM

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:
They don't, you know, have to do anything, they could stand pat and say they aren't going to accept any of the deals being offered to them. And they do have a duty to not bankrupt themselves, you're asking them to take an unbounded risk in a crisis where they won't be able to take as much care as they normally do in developing a vaccine.

But they make pharmaceutical products that are not exempt from liability. Why vaccines?


Because of how vaccine legal cases in the US play out, which caused us to remove them from the normal system. This is in part because they're given to everyone, and that means there absolutely will be real, genuine cases where they kill or maim some of those who get them, our immune systems are very powerful but not perfect. Plus I agree with VD that we're very likely screwing up scheduling for the young and artificially increasing bad outcomes.

For COVID-19? Reread my @17 comment, governments are absolutely not willing to pay what it would cost for vaccines with enough money reserved to cover liability. Plus the optics of manufacturing them while making a profit are so terrible this company is claiming it will sell them at cost.

Blogger Avalanche August 05, 2020 8:07 AM  

@14 "For every legitimate claim there’s probably 20 _____, just looking to win the litigation lottery."

This is the precise current description of "our" "just-us" system!

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 05, 2020 8:08 AM  

@82 Josh Brown:

Silly isn't it although the 'studies' rushed through to discredit HCQ once Trump endorsed it tend to be along the lines of we cannot be sure there is a statistically significant effect in treating SARS2, so ban it.

It's much, much worse than that. The claimed benefit is from a quadrumvirate (thanks, IreneAthena) of "EARLY prescribing of HCQ, AZM & Zn." While I stopped paying attention some time ago, while I was there was not a single double blind study in the West that followed the full recipe, and people who made a point about their all not including zinc were simply mocked by the I F***ING LOVE SCIENCE!!! crowd.

See how for instance how Derek "things I won't work with" Lowe completely shredded decades of credibility he'd built up, see comments to his essays for the mocking. See also how this tribe and two of the most prestigious journals gleefully accepted studies reporting obviously impossible data that was supplied by Indian fraudsters.

Whereas the remdesivir study which actually didn't start out with stated endpoints decided to adapt one of less time recovering instead of survival and/or less bad outcomes. For scientists in the West, don't know about the medical community that also does studies, it would be a career ending move to publish one that claimed HCQ had a benefit. So we're reduced to some non-double blind studies, or 3rd World ones, both of dubious quality, and we just don't know if the quadrumvirate helps, but we're pretty sure at worst it's mostly harmless.

Logical argument? We've got at least two tribes here, each ignoring logic and facts to blindly and totally condemn either the HCQ quadrumvirate or any vaccine, the latter before any have even claimed to pass a phase III trial.

Blogger Avalanche August 05, 2020 8:38 AM  

@31 "Could someone who's actually done the research enlighten me on this? Obviously, I can see what's wrong with what Vox is describing here but what about the common vaccines we all get as kids?"

http://coconutrevival.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/index.jpg

I'm not (yet?) an anti-vaxxer -- but I see the insanity of what "we" are doing to children! Realize an infant's immune system is NOT YET ON LINE: hence "colostrum" -- a mother's first milk, which provides some of HER immune system products to the wide-open baby's body. And then "we" inject multiple multiple "challenges" into their wee bodies and think all will be well... And "we" pile them one on top of many others, and then "hope" the brand new, still immature system can cope!

Still, if you'd see what serious anti-vaxxers put out:
http://coconutrevival.com/?p=3479

Or, stick with the mainstream media and Orthodox Big Pharma, Big Medicine, Biiiiiig Money...

Blogger Avalanche August 05, 2020 8:42 AM  

@37 "medical professionals would really be wise to distance themselves ... given how high vaccine skepticism is.
They won't, because the money is too good."

Or, they won't because if they do their local medical boards will bring them up on charges and try to take their licenses; and the hospitals will cancel their privileges so their insurance co's will cancel their malpractice insurance.

Where is a doctor's FIRST loyalty? To his or her family!

Blogger Avalanche August 05, 2020 9:04 AM  

@41 "If the vaccine ends up with significant collateral damage to the population, then I would expect that if the courts will not mete out justice, some other disgruntled people with maimed or dead loved ones will."

{sigh} Like they do now?

Blogger Avalanche August 05, 2020 9:23 AM  

@75 "Although I'm currently in isolation after testing positive last week"

Did you submit your dog's sample for testing? A paw-paw? Oh, no pun intended -- that's the fruit the african pres submitted for testing that came back "positive."

Blogger Avalanche August 05, 2020 9:29 AM  

@77 "I'm already not looking forward to getting my annual Kung flu shot in addition to my regular flu shot.
Why are you even bothering with the f--king flu shots?"

I'm guessing you've been carefully "shepherded away" from this study? I went to pull it, cause I know it's out there. When I tried to find it with Google, didn't come up on the first two pages. DuckDuckGo? FIRST answer!


"A recent military study shows military personnel evaluated who received the flu vaccine were at 36 percent increased risk for coronavirus with varied benefit in preventing some strains of the flu."

https://www.disabledveterans.org/2020/03/11/flu-vaccine-increases-coronavirus-risk/

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 05, 2020 9:50 AM  

Silly isn't it although the 'studies' rushed through to discredit HCQ once Trump endorsed it

It might be the most irrational, self-destructive burst of TDS that we've seen yet. They acted like he claimed to have invented HCQ in the Oval Office, rather than just raising it as a positive note in a press conference. Every mouthpiece of the establishment, from media to academia to government and all the paid shills they could muster, kicked into overdrive to discredit it.

They never once considered whether HCQ *worked*, or whether their efforts would cost or save lives. That didn't matter; the only thing that mattered was keeping President Trump from getting credit for something in a crisis. They'd rather see millions die (if that had happened), even primarily in their own voting strongholds, than contemplate the history books someday saying, "The cure for the pandemic, endorsed by President Donald J. Trump,...."

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling August 05, 2020 11:20 AM  

@92. Damelon Brinn

Silly isn't it although the 'studies' rushed through to discredit HCQ once Trump endorsed it

It might be the most irrational, self-destructive burst of TDS that we've seen yet....

They never once considered whether HCQ *worked*, or whether their efforts would cost or save lives.


I think it's even worse, a lot of them fear the HCQ quadrumvirate works, see for example some of the more notable ones taking it when they came down with COVID-19. Killing millions of Americans, lots of them no so elderly as we thought was possible back then before we got possibly solid IFR data would have been acceptable egg breakage to make an omelet that might have rid them of the BAD ORANGE MAN. "The worse it gets, the better it is," which certainly applies to the nationwide rioting that just happened to start after their COVID-19 gambits failed.

Remdesivir by comparison is ideal, having failed with every other virus it's been tried on, and being very difficult, expensive, and a bit hazardous to synthesize.

Blogger map August 05, 2020 2:09 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:But they make pharmaceutical products that are not exempt from liability. Why vaccines?

Because of how vaccine legal cases in the US play out, which caused us to remove them from the normal system. This is in part because they're given to everyone, and that means there absolutely will be real, genuine cases where they kill or maim some of those who get them, our immune systems are very powerful but not perfect. Plus I agree with VD that we're very likely screwing up scheduling for the young and artificially increasing bad outcomes.


Give what you said some thought. For vaccines to be exempted, that means there would have been a massive lobbying effort to push that exemption. Such lobbying efforts produce their opposite: people who do not want that to happen. One of the lobbying groups against the exemption would be plaintiffs lawyers. The other would be anyone harmed by the vaccine, who would work with plaintiffs lawyers.

Did any of these groups actually lobby against such a congressional exemption? If not, then why not? This is telling, given that we know plaintiffs lawyers have somehow walked away from $4 billion in vaccine settlements. You know, the same lawyers who think talcum powder causes cancer and roundup causes penises to shrink.

The reality is quite different. Vaccines are under, or were under, military control, or, at least, they are heavily wrapped under military jurisdiction. If a city is attacked with anthrax, the military can whip up a quick vaccine and give it to a population. Sure, it may kill half the population, but that is better than all.

The military is also exempt from legal liability. They can't be sued.

What Big Pharma has done is wrap this military exemption from lawsuits for vaccine consequences around its own commercial activities, while lobbying for mass mandatory vaccinations to juice revenues.

This isn't Congress saving innocent businesses from a legal system run amok. This is pure corruption with real lives at stake.

Blogger Crew August 05, 2020 2:10 PM  

@91: But, but ...

It's been debunked by the #LyingMSM. Surely that is good enough for anyone?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-evidence-that-flu-shot-increases-risk-of-covid-19/ar-BB13h8zt

Blogger map August 05, 2020 2:13 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:I think it's even worse, a lot of them fear the HCQ quadrumvirate works, see for example some of the more notable ones taking it when they came down with COVID-19.

HCQ and chloroquine was given to soldiers in Vietnam 7 days a week for a year to fight malaria, without any of the side effects that these Democrat doctors insist are the results.

That is 500,000 troops on this stuff without incident. It is, after all, a derivative of quinine.

As of now, the Veterans Administration has administered 45,000 doses of the HCQ cocktail for coronavirus with a recovery time of 3-5 days.

The military does have the best healthcare.

Blogger Gregory the Tall August 05, 2020 4:26 PM  

@thatwouldbetelling
You are exuding ever new walls of text, but little of it actually makes sense. From what transpires you are very much afraid of the virus, do not regard mRNA vaccinations as particularly risky (although all earlier attempts at creating one failed), regard all evidence but double blind studies as irrelevant (presumably including the studies of renowned Prof. Raoult in Marseill), do not believe in HCQ, regard the whole therapy discussion here as a fight between a pro Trump tribe and an anti Trump tribe (and not as a discussion between wrong and right or between good and better), and you have empathy for the financial woes of big pharma. When someone comes up with a really good counter-argument you cave and switch the topic. Somehow it is hard to detect if the truth matters for you. I think not.

Blogger Unknown August 05, 2020 6:19 PM  

Good point.

Blogger Crew August 05, 2020 7:02 PM  

And now we get news that Big Pharma has been peddling bullshit!

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/08/05/Study-questions-benefit-of-cholesterol-drugs/5571596576256/

Hundreds of millions of people worldwide take cholesterol-lowering drugs, like statins, but now a new review suggests that many folks don't benefit from these medications.

The researchers said the review of 35 randomized controlled trials failed to show a consistent benefit in lowering the risk of heart attack or stroke, or for preventing deaths.


Doctors should be sued as well for prescribing useless shit!

Blogger Akulkis August 05, 2020 7:35 PM  

>> He certainly has said some correct things as he's wandered all over the map in what we should do about COVID-19, stop clock and all that.

And as everybody who has played "Battleship" (aka "Salvo"), knows -- even if you can't see the target, you'll eventually make some correct guesses.

Blogger Akulkis August 05, 2020 8:25 PM  

>>
Still feeling quite so grateful to the exploitive bastards at A-Z?

In that respect, no. Albuterol used to be delivered with R-12 as the propellant. Then R-12 was outlawed worldwide. So the can with the new propellent are under patent, and regardless of brand, yeah, they all cost an arm and a leg because on of the manufacturers is collecting royalties on an old invension. They could have just as well used CO2 and been just as safe as the R-12.

It's disgusting.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 06, 2020 5:39 AM  

"If so, explain how. All I'm confessing ignorance to is the exact risks allowed for drugs for the sick, and
vaccines for the healthy."
"So I just imagined COVID-19 already exceeding our worse pandemics since 1918-19, and it's barely begun to storm through our population?"

Key word: Imagined.

"So we're reduced to some non-double blind studies, or 3rd World ones, both of dubious quality, and we just don't know if the quadrumvirate helps, but we're pretty sure at worst it's mostly harmless."

"X doesn't jump through the proof hoop my modern, ignorant cargo-cultist sciencepriests dictate is the proper ritual, so there's no evidence for its efficacy. Quadumvirate causeIcan'tcounttofour blahblahblah...."

Yeah, no, we've only been using it successfully for over a hundred years for nearly identical conditions. Only.

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