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Monday, August 03, 2020

The lede, buried

I'm always interested in wargames, but this one by the DNC strategists is particularly intriguing in light of the current polls:
Democrats are contemplating secession and potential civil war as they game out possible scenarios for a closely contested election, according to a report by Ben Smith in a New York Times column Sunday.

The bulk of Smith’s column is devoted to the question of how the media will handle Election Night coverage, given that the result may not be known for weeks. Vote-by-mail, which many states have only recently adopted — ostensibly, to prevent the spread of coronavirus in polling places — could lead to an uncertain result.

However, buried near the end of Smith’s column is a report that Democrats have participated in a “war game” in which they considered several possible outcomes of the election.

In one scenario, John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.

The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces.
Ask yourself this: why are Democrats wargaming the loss of the election if Creepy Joe is genuinely ahead in the polls by seven points?

We'll just skip over the fact that most of the country would celebrate the secession of the entire West Coast. Throw in New York City and we'd happily pay them to leave.

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149 Comments:

Blogger Jeff aka Orville August 03, 2020 2:54 PM  

Another observation...more sides are talking secession. Not just one side. The Overton window seems to be sliding to that concept.

Blogger mike August 03, 2020 2:55 PM  

God,what a relief it would be to see them go. My biggest concern is that we red states leave and they come after US, so them making the first move really is the only shot we have at peaceful separation.

Blogger Out of Nod August 03, 2020 2:59 PM  

If the West Coast were to secede, you'd probably see a further breakdown based on county lines. The only reason why these states are blue is because of the counties with major metropolitan areas - the rest of the counties are solidly red. The Democrats overestimate their influence.

Blogger Crew August 03, 2020 2:59 PM  

The great freer of slaves, St Abraham of Lincoln has set the precedent that secession is verboten.

On a more mundane question, will Portland become the Ft Sumter of this round of secession?

Blogger Stilicho August 03, 2020 3:00 PM  

>>We'll just skip over the fact that most of the country would celebrate the secession of the entire West Coast. Throw in New York City and we'd happily pay them to leave.<<

But that's the best part! kurt Schlicter wrote some entertaining fiction about a similar scenario. Fun, light reading.

Blogger Gallant August 03, 2020 3:01 PM  

They should get Kurt Schlichter novels and 'read ahead'

Blogger Tomato bear August 03, 2020 3:02 PM  

Vox, any amendment to the 2033 prediction? Possibly sooner?

Blogger Hammerli 280 August 03, 2020 3:04 PM  

As we've discussed previously, any secessionist movement won't be on state boundaries. It'll be on county lines...and possibly even precinct by precinct.

The real question is whether or not it would be peaceful, and settlement of liability for debts, pensions, etc. You do NOT want to tell the military that their pensions just went up in smoke - they have the wherewithal to be their own tax collectors, and failure to pay the troops is the fastest possible route to a military coup.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid August 03, 2020 3:06 PM  

Giving up American continental soil is not an option, cremating tens of millions of traitors is. If it takes their attempted secession to do it, that's fine with me.

Blogger Filter Bear August 03, 2020 3:07 PM  

I am willing to trade LA and San Diego to have Des Moines and Topeka back, any takers?

Blogger Ingot9455 August 03, 2020 3:11 PM  

Even health-problems Hillary was doing 1-2 campaign stops a day at this point, with the occasional rest day. Biden can't even do that with a camera from his basement.

Blogger Angantyr August 03, 2020 3:11 PM  

Well, eventually we would need to do a Reconquista - no sense in letting degenerates have any prime real estate. But only after we've allowed "diversity" to devour itself for a bit and serve as an object lesson for the next dozen generations at least...

Blogger Linden Arden August 03, 2020 3:16 PM  

Probably one of the most frightening things I have read this week. Trump will not back down like Gore did in 2000 and the DNC, Media and Biden will not as well. I hate to borrow the overused term "constitutional crisis" but this may be the trifecta after living through Covid and the riots this year.

Blogger Mr Smith August 03, 2020 3:16 PM  

Yes, secession is the answer. The tyrant Lincoln's forced Yankee empire needs to end. Leave the blue states to their own ruin, we do not need them.

Blogger Barbarossa August 03, 2020 3:17 PM  

Guess these guys don't know history and can't read a map. There are huge swathes of northern interior California and almost the entirety of Oregon once you get an hour inland that will have nothing to do with some Democrat utopia fever-dream. Obviously, these areas are too thinly populated to affect electoral results, but the governor of Oregon might be very shocked to discover that his geographical domain (and attendant tax base) shrank 70% overnight since secession is almost contagious as corona-chan.

Of course, since none of them could even find West Virginia on a map, they'll obviously not recall how WV came to join the Union.

Blogger Jack Ward August 03, 2020 3:21 PM  

Question is can vote by mail be overturned by the federal government? Its so obviously a carrier for massive vote fraud. I would like to suspect that Trump, backed by the military would take a very dim view of anything like that. Now, that all said it would be quite the hoot if vote by mail still saw a Trump landslide. That happen, and the lamentations of the women in the dem camp would be epic.

Blogger ChipsAndSalsa August 03, 2020 3:23 PM  

Or if they can really cheat as much as we think they can.

Blogger PragmaticTroll August 03, 2020 3:25 PM  

Secession by the entire West Coast Squad Leader sounds ways more fun than Patreon Advance Arbitration Squad Leader.

Anyone know of any good wargamers.... (laughs maniacally).

Blogger Argus Bacchus August 03, 2020 3:27 PM  

"The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces."


Mexico: "We refuse to accept any refugees from California!"

U.S.: "Well, half of them are citizens of your country."

Blogger Oswald August 03, 2020 3:32 PM  

Agree the Dems are worried. I ask myself, if Sleepy Joe has the black vote in his back pocket, then why look at picking a black female for VP, if not to shore up black support for Sleepy Joe. Could it be the Dems can't count on the black vote this go around?

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel August 03, 2020 3:33 PM  

Imagine if US split in half and...

1. The Right America got 60% of whites, 30% of browns, 20% of yellows, 10% of Jews, and 5% of blacks who are said to be 'conservative'.

2. The Left America got 40% of whites, 70% of browns, 80% of yellows, 90% of Jews, and 95% of blacks who are said to be 'liberal'.

I know which side I'm joining.

Blogger RandyB August 03, 2020 3:36 PM  

Make them take Chicago, too.

Blogger Russell Morrison August 03, 2020 3:37 PM  

While I agree that the US would be better off without my native state, it won't happen; the state would lose all the money currently coming from DC.

California is far too dependent on the Federal teat...wait, California has been sponging off the rest of the country...no, that won't work either.

Is there any way to say this without offending every snowflake in California?

Blogger RonG August 03, 2020 3:38 PM  

Let them leave only if they take New York.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo August 03, 2020 3:50 PM  

Podesta wargaming... Did they order pizza or chicken?

Blogger Azimus August 03, 2020 3:50 PM  

VD:
We'll just skip over the fact that most of the country would celebrate the secession of the entire West Coast. Throw in New York City and we'd happily pay them to leave.


This is highly, highly inaccurate. Most of the country would celebrate the current west coast sliding into the sea, making a new West Coast. The distinction is important! Think of how unpleasant it would be shooting all those people trying to sneak back into the States... No, we Americans prefer "Pacific Coast 2.0" where Palmdale is the new coastal city, so much simpler. I'm not Catholic but I'm praying for Saint Andrew!

Blogger Lazy Hero August 03, 2020 3:51 PM  

Has to be deep state wag the dog. Twas in the news this weekend US prepping troops, etc., for potential conflict with Russia and China. Sure this will boil down to vs China. So, China-Calexit? I know big tech wants US DOJ backed up by our military to protect their copyrights and patents. Wonder if they've made deals with the chinee already to protect their intellectual properties (And yes I think they're stupid enough to trust the chinee, remember their love of Stalin, Mao, etc.) and they don't think they need US DOJ. And yes if actual conflict between US vs China happened the left would side with China. I say let them break away and be part of China. Full succession. Then POTUS Trump can tell China they can never have troops in new ca la la land, and yes China can do whatever they want with the intellectual property of ca la la land. The greedy chinee will love this, they get the absolute control they want and increased profits and they get to move all the big tech jobs to China. Lovely.

Blogger Silent Draco August 03, 2020 3:51 PM  

All compacts and agreements terminate upon exit. Shut off the taps, open the bus bars. Wait 90 days to be certain.

Blogger Weak August 03, 2020 3:53 PM  

Chicago is too important of a transportation hub, especially rail. But a power outage + cut off food supplies might change hearts and minds there. Call it the Siege of Chicago.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 03, 2020 4:00 PM  

Interesting that the DNC would have the NYT print this. I suppose that for Democrats, it's supposed to impress on them how horrible Trump is, that their leaders would be "forced" to contemplate such a thing. And for moderates, it's supposed to make them cave in and vote Democrat in the hopes of preserving peace, like giving a toddler a cookie, since they know Republicans won't do the same if it goes the other way.

Blogger Some Guy August 03, 2020 4:02 PM  

Set up a GoFundMe and I'll drop every dime I can spare if they promise to never come back.

Blogger The Lab Manager August 03, 2020 4:02 PM  

Well, these are the same degenerates that want to take away guns from mostly law abiding but at the same time defund the police.

I guess they had not thought this through to well given eastern Oregon, Washington, and parts of CA would be happy to leave them as well.

Blogger van helsing August 03, 2020 4:03 PM  

they've already been paid.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 03, 2020 4:03 PM  

Who knew the key to getting rid of Yankees was to let them think they should leave?
We should have thought of this a long time ago. Could have saved a lot of hassle and annoyance.

Blogger Jeroth August 03, 2020 4:09 PM  

Out of Nod wrote:If the West Coast were to secede, you'd probably see a further breakdown based on county lines. The only reason why these states are blue is because of the counties with major metropolitan areas - the rest of the counties are solidly red. The Democrats overestimate their influence.

It would be best for everyone if these metropolitan areas became city states. They can buy the food they need, but they have no say in telling us how to live, and we have no say in telling them how to live. Unfortunately they would probably never accept such a deal without a lot of pain paid upfront. But at least it seems more plausible than repealing the 19th.

Blogger Stan_qaz August 03, 2020 4:15 PM  

Any thought of secession by California is almost funny, they depend on water, electricity and natural gas coming in from the east. A lot of other stuff that doesn't have near instant impact too. Any shutdown of the borders to Arizona and Nevada is going to be crippling to them.

With a (remaining) US ban/firewall on any Internet traffic as well as on operations of any California based company in the US it gets even better.

A fun read on CalExit: ($5.00 or KU) https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B076V8R331/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p2_i3

Blogger Rebel Skate August 03, 2020 4:18 PM  

Long term giving up continental US soil is a no-go but short term it would allow us to rebuild our country and get on a viable demographic setting.
Manifest Destiny 2.0 can bring geographic control back but you have to be in a position to win the war first.
Remember, the South felt confident in its bid for war as well but history has shown how woefully unprepared they were

Blogger MATT August 03, 2020 4:19 PM  

Makes you wonder, what the hell did they have planned that these 4 years prevented?

Blogger JAU August 03, 2020 4:19 PM  

"Chicago is too important of a transportation hub, especially rail."

Who controls the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, has a veto on waterborne commerce everywhere east of the Rockies.

Blogger MATT August 03, 2020 4:27 PM  

As Bill Hicks called it,"Arizona Bay"

Blogger Bezzle August 03, 2020 4:28 PM  

@4. Crew August 03, 2020 2:59 PM
The great freer of slaves, St Abraham of Lincoln has set the precedent that secession is verboten.

But he allowed secession. The trouble was, they weren't satisfied. They demanded an additional speck, and went to war to get it.

- If they want to go at it again, this time we'll let them have the island in Charleston harbor, provided we keep the rest of the country. They can bring along their John Lewis brethren too, maybe set up a plantation to keep themselves occupied.

Blogger Zundfolge August 03, 2020 4:28 PM  

I still contend that the polls are rigged to make it look like Trump is losing so that when he wins they can claim shenanigans and then, Trump can be removed from office and either Joe gets in, or Nancy Pilosi sits in as interim president while they sort all this out in Congressional hearings and court filings to determine who "actually" won (and of course it won't be Trump). Democrats have called every election they've lost "illegitimate" since like 1968 (except for the 49 state landslides). I think now they actually think they have a chance to act on this charge.

Bold strategy, Cotton, lets see how that plays out for them.

Gonna be hilarious when Trump wins in a landslide that makes 1980 Reagan look like a photo-finish.

Blogger kurt9 August 03, 2020 4:34 PM  

We'll just skip over the fact that most of the country would celebrate the secession of the entire West Coast.

Many of us who do not live in actual Multnomah or King counties, here in the Pacific Northwest, would counter-secede from the left.

Blogger Gettimothy August 03, 2020 4:48 PM  

We have definetly turned a corner; "working this out and coexisting" is off the table; the middle of the bell curve is being squeazed by the changes at the tails.

Furthermire, California has olives, it has the only(?) Mediteranean climate zone in North America.

Ergi, It is ours, not globohomo's; they can quaff sand.

America from sea to shining sea, plus n.w Canada , greenland and cuba.


Seriously, this is a war between Christendom and evil, Christ's Kingdom will expand from Her current boundaries.

Blogger Werekoala August 03, 2020 4:49 PM  

Remember when there was a big stink from the Left in 2016 about whether Trump would abide by the outcome of that election?

I ‘member. They seem a bit more concerned about it this time around though.

Blogger Bezzle August 03, 2020 4:49 PM  

The God Emperor has now made it easier to forcibly secede SJWs from employment.

Blogger Fozzy Bear August 03, 2020 4:51 PM  

No surprise Podesta refused to concede, he did the same thing on election night 2016 when Hillary was blacked-out drunk.

@Ingot9455
Hillary spent the entire month of August 2016 fundraising in Beverley Hills, there might have been one or two public campaign events, but she stayed behind closed doors for the most part. September 11 was when she collapsed and that metal thing holding up her legs shattered.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 03, 2020 5:08 PM  

Washington State 206 gubernatorial election by precinct. Outside of the Puget Sound lowlands, Spokane, Yakima and Vancouver, and of course the Indian reservations, the only precincts that voted Dem were so sparsely populated as to be irrelevant.
http://rynerohla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-WA-Inverted.png

Blogger Dr Caveman August 03, 2020 5:09 PM  

@22 @29
Good chance that the shitlib portion of Chicago, and all the liberal fellow whites infesting the north side, will cut their losses and relocate to the promised land in the west. Then it won't be surprising if Chicago found the political will to clean up the ghettos once and for all.

Blogger FUBARwest August 03, 2020 5:12 PM  

Who reads this and thinks the Dems actually believe they are going to win? They can have the West Coast.

Blogger Newscaper312 August 03, 2020 5:17 PM  

Lex Luthors real estate scheme in Superman w Christopher Reeve. Mega earthquake and all the cheap land on the fault suddenly becomes valuable beach front.

Blogger Crew August 03, 2020 5:20 PM  

@41: But he allowed secession.

This is from Lincoln's first inaugural address (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp):

It follows from these views that no State upon its own mere motion can lawfully get out of the Union; that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void, and that acts of violence within any State or States against the authority of the United States are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances.

I think you are wrong in claiming that he allowed it. That he did not immediately commence military action does not mean he accepted it.

Blogger Newscaper312 August 03, 2020 5:21 PM  

It is bizarre that so many on the Right smugly reference Lincoln and the North successfully conquering the secessionist in Civil War 1.0, when they are actually strengthening the Lefts rhetorical hand should they win and *we* need to secede.

Blogger mike August 03, 2020 5:23 PM  

So, youre opposed to red states seceding, then? And why do you want violence, anyway? If they want to leave, fuck it, let them leave.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" August 03, 2020 5:24 PM  

If the west coast and NY secede i say we send them London as a gift of the British people.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 03, 2020 5:37 PM  

Sounds like a lie. My suspicion would be that they're actually wargaming the result of them declaring their candidate the winner via even more blatant mail-in fraud, and the "losers" refusing to take the BS.

"The real question is whether or not it would be peaceful, and settlement of liability for debts, pensions, etc."

It can't be entirely peaceful. Too many people mortally dependent on gibs that can't keep flowing.

"The trouble was, they weren't satisfied. They demanded an additional speck, and went to war to get it."

"Speck" meaning a fort in the middle of their largest harbor, a fort that insisted on continuing to tax and inspect ships going past even after it was part of a different country. If you're going to lie about the easy things, I'm going to assume everything you say is worthless.

Regardless, this isn't going to be north vs south again, stupid.

Blogger Chiva August 03, 2020 5:40 PM  

May the State of Jefferson rise!!

Blogger Canadian Warlord August 03, 2020 5:46 PM  

"In that scenario, California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned. The House named Mr. Biden president; the Senate and White House stuck with Mr. Trump. At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to the media for cues, and waited to see what the military would do."

Twilight 2000 "Milgov" and "Civgov"? As I dimly recall the people started ignoring both.

Well I guess I should be glad they are grounded in reality somewhere! They know that the media only has so much to say about how this will play out. I think they foresee riding that sled farther down the mountain than the media's current momentum has. Corona-chan has likely spent almost all that goodwill or automatic habit of listening to the talking heads on the little box in the corner of the room.

As for California, Washington, and Oregon, as detailed above, yes the maniac coastal cities only would be splitting as the rest of the states don't feel the same way. Call their bluff and watch those states splinter from the outside.

Then take down the big statue with a million fishing lines from the Cajun Navy, use some of the broken pieces to set up miniature "Ellis Island" swearing-in stations (manned by the national guard) outside of the CHAZ-walled cities, so that the boomer-influenced idiots have something they remember from their programming as they file back in to "The United States." Let those cities burn for decades like tire fires, leave those counties outside of the union until there is unconditional surrender. That's how America deals with nazis.

Blogger Akulkis August 03, 2020 5:57 PM  

>> Twas in the news this weekend US prepping troops, etc., for potential conflict with Russia and China.

The news is wrong. We aren't training specifically to fight Russia or China or anybody else in particular.

What we are doing, and which started over 18 MONTHS ago, was to turn our training doctrine AWAY from counter-insurgency, and to return to tactical and strategic level of behaviors, thinking and TTPs needed to fight a peer or near-peer adversary.

No more walking around at night using a flashlight -- learn to walk in the dark and not be seen, using the natural light available from the heavens above.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf August 03, 2020 5:58 PM  

In many ways rural Michigan is as redneck as the deepest parts of the south. I could see red blooded Michigandars storming the Governor's residence. Funnily, say 15 years ago I would get asked what the USA is like and a lot of people I spoke to had visited CA and NY and I always said those places are not "American"/Americana. Not mid-West America anyway. But, then my cousin told me the mid-West was just as shallow and showy as the worse Californians. They'd drive right past you stranded on a snowy side road in the middle of a blizzard and not even blink.

That's sad.

So? Back then I said, I'd be happy to see New York go. And good riddance. But California? I used to think we could slowly buy back better :) But I don't think so. History suggests otherwise.

I'm coming around to a winner take all sort of mind set.

Blogger ZhukovG August 03, 2020 6:02 PM  

Many Blue areas have significant Red populations. Likewise Red areas. It will be extremely messy. While I would be happy to say good bye to California; I don't see the GE letting them go without a fight.

Blogger Bobiojimbo August 03, 2020 6:17 PM  

I'll miss Oregon, but there would still be Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho.

Blogger ScottC August 03, 2020 6:19 PM  

Vox, he's not Creepy Joe - he's Hidin' Biden.

Pass it on.

Blogger Unknown August 03, 2020 6:22 PM  

The United States cannot cede the west coast ports of San Diego, SF Bay, or Puget Sound

Blogger Centurion Revolt August 03, 2020 6:26 PM  

The threat of a Biden win is real. With the suppression by Google, Twitter and the rest of conservative voices, plus the coronavirus hysteria and manipulation on an otherworldly scale by the mainstream media uninformed voters may vote for Biden in the mistaken belief that the pain will go away.

Ask yourself this: are you better off now than you were four years ago? I don't think many people could honestly say yes. It doesn't matter that it's not Trump's fault.

Trump's base will not desert him. They will probably be even more eager to vote for him than they were in 2016. But that's roughly 40% of the electorate.

And *if* Trump loses there will be a full scale persecution of his supporters, the likes of which this country has never seen. Please pray for President Trump if you're so inclined.

Blogger red 3215 August 03, 2020 6:31 PM  

One problem with letting the West Coast states break up and give the coastal cities free rein is that there are Federal, mostly military properties out there, right up to the water. They would be retained, as would transport corridors.
Those, if interfered with by the scumbags, would become the new Ft Sumters.

Oh well. History does rhyme.

Blogger Up from the pond August 03, 2020 6:35 PM  

Some of us voted for Trump to see him burn it all down: the media, the GOP, the Dems, the neocons, the left, the right, the legitimacy of the U.S. Empire - everything.

From this perspective, Trump cannot fail; he has already succeeded, and can only go on succeeding more and more. Anything positive in addition to this already effected system collapse is a windfall.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile August 03, 2020 6:36 PM  

The federal government owns 45% of the land in California. Despite much propaganda stating otherwise, their economy would fold up like a cheap lawn chair without the current flow of fed dollars. They'd have to mortgage the entire state to China in order to survive.

On the other hand, the port of Los Angeles is America's busiest, indeed the busiest in the Western Hemisphere. That may prove valuable in a secession scenario, if any of those clods had a clue what they're doing. Of course, nobody ships millions of gallons of water by boat, so it's no help with their most pressing issue. Maybe everyone in the state can build a desalination still in the backyard. Call it, umm, the Great Leap Forward.

I suppose I'm biased, but I'd be thrilled to see New York, in fact the entire Northeast, starve to death in piles of their own feces and refuse.

Blogger Joe Smith August 03, 2020 6:55 PM  

Podesta refusing to concede while wearing a Biden skinsuit might be funny to watch after the Trumpslide. Although everyone would catch on right away, after Podesta accidentally strung two consecutive sentences together.

Blogger Penrose August 03, 2020 7:03 PM  

When strong feign weak and when weak feign strength. When the election is contested the loudest side will be bluffing.

Blogger Stryker4570 August 03, 2020 7:30 PM  

They are foreshadowing. If Trump wins, they can contest the election and say he did not, claiming he is refusing to leave Office 'just like they said he would.'

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 03, 2020 7:33 PM  

I think the democrats are wargaming a total board-flip more so than losing the election. They try to make it so that their plans will be in response to a contested election, when they have already been contesting the 2016 election up to the point of violence.
For that reason, what they are doing now is going to be what they are doing then, and for the same reason, they just want to replace the appearance of the motive. They fully plan to disrupt the election by making the vote impossible by any means, and leave the integrity of the results in doubt, and then carry out the same plans regardless of who appears to win.
For the democrats, it's almost a win-win situation. If Trump appears to win, they can scream about cheating and the president's fight against mail in vote, blame it on Trump and Covid, conspiracy.jpg, and then continue with the riots and violence as before, maybe even take it up a notch.
If it appears Biden is the winner after a dismal campaign, and the vote can be contested considering the historical fraud by the left plus the mail in ballots they are pushing hard, then the left can continue with the same violence and take it up a notch in "defense" of the system - which all of the sudden they will love and want to defend.
Cue some bowtie-ery about double standards....
Regardless, I don't think winning an election is their objective at this point. They will want history to say it was over an election, just like we are told that Sherman's march to the sea and the atrocities he committed were "over slavery". The Union League whitewashed CW1 after they realized they were the baddies.
In the meantime, I'm all for the conflict. Back in 2015 it was obvious even than that Trump is the chaos candidate. There as going to be no voting our way out of this anyway. Not with the enemies we have and their will to power. We knew then the vote for yet another neocon would be business as usual and the slow "Cthulu swimming leftward" death by 1000 cuts a day BS that most of here who are not boomers have only known in their entire adult lives.
Whatever the case, we must not let the bowties and boomers pull some "let's just get back to normalcy" crap. For that crowd, it's simply ticket-taking for the bowties and getting fat while watching TV for the rest. A lot of horror in this world is due to "just dropping it and getting on with my life". A horrible sin IMO.

Blogger Silly but True August 03, 2020 7:57 PM  

In another lede, buried, the actual George Floyd arrest policecam footage has been leaked, proving that not only did he dindu nuffin, but he literally asks to be laid out on the street.
https://youtu.be/YPSwqp5fdIw

Blogger 7916 August 03, 2020 7:58 PM  

L-Exit!

Blogger Ingemar August 03, 2020 8:00 PM  

Heads you let us destroy this country, tails we destroy this country.

AKA the Left's gameplan since forever.

Blogger Stan_qaz August 03, 2020 8:25 PM  

The US does not need to allow the western ports to continue to operate, closing their entrances would be quick and not too difficult if we saw a reason to do so. Also the ports have little value if the rail and highway routes to the east are closed.

Trying to maintain transport corridors and a workforce at the ports probably isn't practical given snipers, IEDs and the like. Just leave them to rot and let China find another port to ship their junk to.

The military bases could be easily evacuated, anything left behind put to the torch so they have no value as military installations.

The US federal ownership of large parts of these states could be interesting, maybe a redrawing of the state's borders via land-swaps could be arranged?

A big hammer is the Hoover dam, Lake Meade is low enough we could shut the spillways and generators leaving the Colorado almost dry below the Davis dam for a few years. Without Colorado river water CA has a lot of thirsty folks.

Voiding the US citizenship of every resident as well as terminating their rights to any payments (SS, Welfare, even retirements) should be done instantly.

Of course removal of their Senators and Representatives should also be instant. Don't forget to terminate their pensions and other goodies too.

The biggest issue I see is if we decide to accept refugees, something we should not do. Tell them to stay home, clean up their mess and apply to become US territories as a precursor to rejoining as states. Not necessarily as the three that left and not with the same borders to the East.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 03, 2020 8:37 PM  

Centurion Revolt wrote:Ask yourself this: are you better off now than you were four years ago? I don't think many people could honestly say yes. It doesn't matter that it's not Trump's fault.
Most folks had three years in which they were indeed better off then they were during the 0bammy era. Then a Dem mayor or Dem governor took advantage of the Chinkypox to ruin it for them.

The Donald owns the boom. The Dems own the recession.

More than that, the lines are drawn. There aren't significant numbers of undecideds; folks either already know which side they're on, or else they don't care enough to go vote anyway.

Blogger Colonel Blimp August 03, 2020 8:51 PM  

This implies that in any way these people have a live and let live worldview. We are more than happy to let crazy cities do onto themselves what they will as long as they stay off of us. However their whole ideology is telling everyone in every corner to bake that cake. They're a virus that has to be purged.

Blogger JohnR219 August 03, 2020 9:12 PM  

Olive trees grow in Texas. Check out Texas olive oil. Guaranteed Mafia-free and unadulterated

Blogger cecilhenry August 03, 2020 9:14 PM  


One way or another, conflict is coming....


The Coming Second Civil War in America:



https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2019/12/the-coming-second-civil-war-in-america.html

Blogger Bezzle August 03, 2020 9:14 PM  

@52. Crew August 03, 2020 5:20 PM
> @41: But he allowed secession.
This is from Lincoln's first inaugural address (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp):

It follows from these views that no State upon its own mere motion can lawfully get out of the Union; that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void, and that acts of violence within any State or States against the authority of the United States are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances.

I think you are wrong in claiming that he allowed it. That he did not immediately commence military action does not mean he accepted it.


- He may not have "accepted" it, but he allowed it.

Lincoln was the "moderate" Republican candidate in the 1860 race, and won the primary and then the election largely because it was perceived, correctly, that he wouldn't unilaterally plunge the nation into war. This weakness led many Southern states to assume, correctly, that they would get away with secession regardless of constitutionality.

In Lincoln's inaugural, two paragraphs after the section quoted, he continued: "...there needs to be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere...."

It's hard to get much more clear than "there will be no invasion". Not that he could have easily done so had he wanted to. His predecessor Buchanan, a southern-sympathizer, had distributed federal forces far out west and along the Canadian border, such that none of them were readily available should war break out.

Lincoln wasn't quite a "cuck" by our modern parlance, although he did need a little girl's advice to grow a beard to look more manly. He was a lawyer of the typically voluminous antebellum species, and at home in a sea of suffocating blather; his seemingly endless inaugural address is representative. But he learned-on-the-job quickly, and the Gettysburg Address (delivered two years later) was the equivalent of a tweet by 19th Century standards of brevity.

The "deep 7" of the South had already seceded by February 1861, prior to the inaugural speech. Sumter would be shelled in April.

The prevailing mentality of the Confederacy in March 1861 resembled that of Imperial Japan on the eve of WWII: Both were run by hereditary bluebloods and generals, and confident of their military prowess versus larger-but-perceived-as-weaker opponents whose leaders lacked military experience, and both initiated an attack upon the seemingly weaker opponent to seize small bits of land they erroneously assumed that the weaker opponent wouldn't fight over.

More recent examples of this type of disastrous overconfidence include Argentina's junta attacking the British Falklands, and Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait (as if the West was going to let him control the oil-tap).

It remains to be seen if the CCP will attempt to invade Taiwan.

One thing is historically clear: whenever such a speck-grab is made, and fails, it usually results in regime-removal soon afterward.

Blogger Jack Amok August 03, 2020 9:18 PM  

The problem with Blue-xit is two-fold. One, every Red area is dotted with Blue Hellholes. Phoenix, Austin, Houston, St. Louis, Denver, Atlanta, etc. The Blue Archipelago. The people there will be a fifth column, unless they're driven out. But if they're driven out, they'll go to the Blue states, where they'll exacerbate the second problem: Blue states won't be able to support their hordes of useless eaters - both the chronically unemployable and the uselessly employed bureaucrats. It won't be long after Blue-xit before there are cross-border criminal activities and a massive "refugee" problem.

Bluetopia will be an intolerable neighbor.

Blogger John Rockwell August 03, 2020 9:24 PM  

mike wrote:God,what a relief it would be to see them go. My biggest concern is that we red states leave and they come after US, so them making the first move really is the only shot we have at peaceful separation.

Being power hungry. They will not keep it that way. "The Red States must be subjugated." as they would say.

Blogger Bezzle August 03, 2020 10:08 PM  

Dynamite the loop overpasses around the urban cores. Secession complete.

Blogger Statix August 03, 2020 10:47 PM  

The majority of Americans would eagerly pay a secession tax to break away from Seattle and California.

Blogger Hammerli 280 August 03, 2020 10:50 PM  

@72: I think you may be right in thinking that the Dems mean to make trouble no matter how the vote goes.

Blogger Jose Miguel August 03, 2020 10:56 PM  

@44 Gettimothy

California has olives, it has the only(?) Mediteranean climate zone in North America.

Central Texas has parts that are great for olives, but not enough to replace the California supply. If I find myself with land here, I definitely want to grow an olive grove. A few nights each year I may have to keep them warm with fires, but it's doable.

We'll just skip over the fact that most of the country would celebrate the secession of the entire West Coast.

It would be comparable to the secession of Venezuela from Gran Colombia. Politically and culturally a life-saver, but you get the constant pain of having a retarded neighbor for generations that constantly seeks to "spread the revolution" to you.

Closed border policy highly recommended, with exceptions only for the hottest of their young single women.

Blogger Akulkis August 03, 2020 11:31 PM  

>> Makes you wonder, what the hell did they have planned that these 4 years prevented?

Read up on the years 1918-1922 in Russia, known by Russians as the "Red Terror"

Blogger Crew August 03, 2020 11:43 PM  

I find it interesting that President The God-Emperor Trump has withdrawn troops back to the US.

Blogger Akulkis August 03, 2020 11:49 PM  

>> Long term giving up continental US soil is a no-go but short term it would allow us to rebuild our country and get on a viable demographic setting.

No. Not a single moment's peace for these assholes until every square inch of CONUS is recaptured.

And this time, no allowing TWANLOC to run away to some other land (like the Tories were allowed to run to Canada). Utter annhilation. As a warning to all others who might be tempted by (((SOCIALIST))) crap in the future.

Blogger jarheadljh August 04, 2020 12:08 AM  

God I would LOVE to be in the room when Kate Brown gives the order to the State Police and the National Guard to close the roads for this, and watch them just laugh. IF this actually happened, the rural parts would remain US territory while each city would effectively become a CHAZ/CHOP. Quarantine them all and then send in the camera drones to document the descent into cannibalism.

BEST. REALITY. SHOW. EV-AAR.

Blogger jarheadljh August 04, 2020 12:11 AM  

This... would actually be the single greatest *gift* the West Coast could receive. If Sacramento, Salem, and Olympia all declare secession from the Union, it will create a state of emergency. Just like CV19 has created an emergency which has given Trump the excuse to invoke the Defense Production Act which saved Kodak and will probably be the gift that keeps on giving, a secession would give Trump an excuse to break up the blue wall on the Left Coast.
California seceding would give the good people in Yreka the chance to declare the secession of the State of Jefferson from California and then to rejoin the Union under those terms. Rural counties in both California and Oregon would immediately jump on board. Rural Washington would follow once all of Eastern Oregon joined in.
And where the state of emergency comes into play involves the precedent set by West Virginia. WV was not created in accordance to the dictates of the constitution, but broken off during the War Between the States, and then allowed to remain free by SCOTUS, provided they compensate Virginia and maintain certain water rights. So after the rebel capitols are CRUSHED, and the traitors arrested, there's no requirement to glue the states back together. California especially could be broken up into five or six pieces so that it never again becomes the single deciding advantage of an election.
What absolutely CANNOT BE DONE right now could be done by default if the Democrats really are stupid enough to do this.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:14 AM  

>> They can have the West Coast.

Never. That would be rewarding them for breaking the very social contract that they go on and on about all the time.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:19 AM  

>> So, youre opposed to red states seceding, then? And why do you want violence, anyway? If they want to leave, fuck it, let them leave.

They can leave for Cuba or Venezuela or China or whatever leftist tyranny will take them.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:25 AM  

>> So? Back then I said, I'd be happy to see New York go.

New York has ALWAYS been a problem. Even before the Declaration of Independence, NY, and especially NYC has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the Republic.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:27 AM  

>> The United States cannot cede the west coast ports of San Diego, SF Bay, or Puget Sound

FACT!

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:35 AM  

>> Maybe everyone in the state can build a desalination still in the backyard. Call it, umm, the Great Leap Forward.

I have come up with a vastly cheaper way to desalinate water requiring no more energy than to pump the water into the device... it's close to the thermodynamic ideal. But i'm not making it public until California bends the knee to sanity.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel August 04, 2020 12:37 AM  

"Democrats are contemplating secession and potential civil war as they game out possible scenarios for a closely contested election, according to a report by Ben Smith in a New York Times column Sunday."

Again?

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:49 AM  

>> The US does not need to allow the western ports to continue to operate, closing their entrances would be quick and not too difficult if we saw a reason to do so. Also the ports have little value if the rail and highway routes to the east are closed.

China controls the Panama Canal, dude, and has for the past 20 years.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 1:06 AM  

>> The majority of Americans would eagerly pay a secession tax to break away from Seattle and California.


Speak for yourself. I do not reward criminality by voluntarily forking over my own hard-earned cash.

It's people like you who make it so easy for the left to win.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 1:09 AM  

>> Closed border policy highly recommended, with exceptions only for the hottest of their young single women.

With a stipulation that she must be both married AND PREGNANT within 12 months of her date of entry, or else back to the socialist hell-hole she goes.

Blogger John Rockwell August 04, 2020 1:16 AM  

Statix wrote:The majority of Americans would eagerly pay a secession tax to break away from Seattle and California.

Americas will seek to Secede. But people in those states ultimately want them all. They will never leave if they can and will seek to reincorporate them when they have the ability.

Blogger Mother Effingby August 04, 2020 1:41 AM  

Little blue islands in a vast sea of red would secede, but would the red counties follow?

Blogger BarryCuda August 04, 2020 3:09 AM  

Texas v. White: SCOTUS decision "finding" that secession is unlawful. Ergo, per extant law, the USG is required to ensure that secession doesn't occur and that its promoters are punished.

Blogger Pathfinderlight August 04, 2020 3:12 AM  

Democrats don't have to rig polls for that. The MSM has everyone center and right afraid to talk about their political beliefs. Especially to people they know are reporting. Dems also don't need poll numbers to "know" they are the majority, which is why they believe they have the right to rule, Electoral College be damned.

Blogger Pathfinderlight August 04, 2020 3:24 AM  

Prometheans don't care about costs, they want to burn down Western civ to increase their social status. After a California secession, the economy will start failing, many of them will start mysteriously feel like moving on (like SA's leftists did), many moving to places like Idaho or Texas. Mexico and China will try to exploit the failed state.

Blogger Gospace August 04, 2020 3:55 AM  

On of my distant ancestral relatives, 4th cousin 3x removed, was captured by Union forces. His interview was published in newspapers all over the North. Brilliant propaganda. What better way to rally the troops and the people then having a rebel openly state the South fully expected the North to tire of war within 30-60 days and give up. And he did have a relative in Brooklyn, who as soon as the war ended, restarted trading tobacco with England. He had all the connections he needed on both sides of the Atlantic. If he had been in Virginia when the war started, he'd have probably been a Confederate officer. In NY when it started, he just kept his shipping business going.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/14024486/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle/

I will mention several other distant relative were killed on the first day of Gettysburg fighting for their state. Very few Southerners fought for the CSA, most fought for and were embedded in state units throughout the war. Another distant relative perished in a CSA prison camp.

I hope the fears of civil war again are overblown. I suspect they may not be, and will be started by the same party that started the last one.

Blogger SciVo August 04, 2020 4:48 AM  

I assert that even though most would cheer California and New York seceding, that is exactly why they will never ever do it. All of their "I just might take my ball and go home!" bluster is the false pride of Fake Galtians.

They're dependant on us, and not the other way around. But they will never admit it, except by their behavior (specifically their inaction).

Blogger Homesteader August 04, 2020 4:53 AM  

In any secessionist clime, the entire west coast would fracture into at least 6 new states; Jefferson being probably the best-prepared culturally, as the
idea dates back to the 1930's, at least.

As for west coast leftists- they are all metropolitan entities.
By geography and culture, the west coast is more red than blue outside the cities.

Blogger Grooveware August 04, 2020 5:08 AM  

I hope I'm not miss quoting vox, he said the breaking up of America will resemble the Bosnian civil war, town against town, city against city. These psychopaths that are pushing for this don't realise, they will be some of the very first people to see the Guillotine.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 04, 2020 5:29 AM  

"speck-grab"

You're still lying. In addition the South tried to purchase it multiple times to remove the thorn, but the North wasn't having it because it was their goad to force the war while looking like they didn't start it.

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 04, 2020 5:56 AM  

I did back along enjoy bike rides down the Santa Ana path from Anaheim to the beach. Maybe that's stupid now.

Blogger rikjames.313 August 04, 2020 6:32 AM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:In many ways rural Michigan is as redneck as the deepest parts of the south. I could see red blooded Michigandars storming the Governor's residence. Funnily, say 15 years ago I would get asked what the USA is like and a lot of people I spoke to had visited CA and NY and I always said those places are not "American"/Americana. Not mid-West America anyway. But, then my cousin told me the mid-West was just as shallow and showy as the worse Californians. They'd drive right past you stranded on a snowy side road in the middle of a blizzard and not even blink.



The cops and national guard officers in Michigan are insanely highly paid. They also have gold plated pensions. They would, without a peep, obey Whitmer's orders to execute the Trump college members and seal the Biden votes.

They will also arrest, without question, Trump voters.

However, this is the last generation of cops who would do that. The newly hired cops are mostly vets and on 401k style plans, not the insanely padded 20 year pensions. They also make a lot less.

You have 12 year Oakland County deputies making $65 an hour straight time, plus all his contractual details, and the 2 year guy making $30 and knows he is going to top out at 2/3 of the guy who got in and then the union pulled the economic ladder up after them.

Blogger Nostromo August 04, 2020 8:53 AM  

Gonna need a bigger wall--apologies to Quint.

Blogger tuberman August 04, 2020 9:29 AM  

Comparing this possible secession to the 1860's is dumb, as in -- just who is talking secession this time? The leadership this time is literally globohomo nut ball perverts in every possible way, or Satanists. That is not rhetoric, it's actual fact. So what will insane demon possessed vile actors do? Are they going to leave all the rural decent people in 'their' states alone? Are they going to be satisfied with their secession territories? No, they ALWAYS grab for more, and everything you surrender to them makes them gloat, and assures them they can grab more. They will use foreign interests (who will really use them) as soon as possible.

This will be a great chance to root out many of them, right down to the blue cities in red states.

Akulkis is the only one on here who Powerfully states the Truth. If you leave them to their devices, they won't leave you to prosper. Remember, they'd planned on total control of the whole world by now, and they're still thinking this was a bump in their road.

Blogger CM August 04, 2020 9:46 AM  

I'm perfectly happy with self determination for commie proggies in their own hell hole if they leave the rest of us out.

I'd rather secession than war. Likely to get both, but Lincoln Redux does not need to happen.

Blogger flyingtiger August 04, 2020 9:51 AM  

I am ready to march with you,father Thrump, 200,000 strong!

Blogger Sheila4g August 04, 2020 10:04 AM  

@21 Andrea Daley Utronebel: Your purported 'right' America split, composed of 60% Whites, 30% browns, 20% yellows, and 5% blacks, is nothing more than the civnat's wetdream of just the right mix of 'diversity.' Given the races' different birth rates, Whites would promptly be back to minority status, and your racially mixed polity would be the republicans writ large - go over the cliff just a little more slowly than the West coast. Politics and principles do not a people make. Separate nations for separate races and people.

Blogger DonReynolds August 04, 2020 10:12 AM  

The tyranny of democracy is the implied a priori condition in any election is accepting and being bound by that outcome. Much like in gambling, when you bet your money on a chance for riches, there is implied acceptance of the roll of the dice or the spin of the wheel. There are no gamblers who get to change their mind or pull their bet once they find out they have lost.

Politics is much like gambling. WE place our bets and hope everyone else will let us win, but everyone else had rather win for themselves. If voters and gamblers could withdraw their votes or their bets once they find out they have lost, then voting and gambling would be pointless.

The fatal flaw in 1860 was not secession from the Union. The states have that right, just as the colonies had that right in 1776. Indeed, the United States would not exist without secession. The fatal flaw was participating in the election of 1860, which elected Lincoln with 39 percent of the popular vote anyway. Voting creates an obligation to abide by the outcome of the vote. Democracy is not about how we get what WE want, it is about how decisions are made. Decisions that are important and binding on the participants. In 1860, the Confederates should have quit the Union before the election, not after the election. Participating in that election created an obligation to abide by the outcome. If the Democrats want to pull the Blue States out of the Union....by all means, let's make a deal... but it needs to be before the November election and not after the votes are counted.

Blogger DonReynolds August 04, 2020 10:55 AM  

While few people imagine that outright secession would ever be entertained seriously.... and if it were actually attempted, the negotiations could last for decades, ironing out every expected wrinkle and exception and special case. If WE were a little less patriotic and a little more honest, WE would admit that secession has never actually been what anyone would call successful in this country...not in 1776 or 1860.

What HAS been successful and has been accomplished many times since 1619 is to move the border. THAT does not require a plebiscite election, like secession (or a constitutional amendment). It only requires a treaty with the US government, ratified by the US Senate. This has been a wonderful device and has been used many times with American Indians, and Canada, and Mexico, and France, and Spain, and Russia. This is actually the acceptable method for moving the border, whether that border is established by war, or outright purchase, or diplomatic compromise with neighbors.

What does this mean, in practical terms? It means that California, or a portion thereof, does not need to secede. It can accomplish the same outcome after a vote in support of moving the border with Mexico. The two governments would meet and either amend an existing treaty of make a new one. I would expect the new border with Mexico to run from the Gulf to the Pacific coast and few actual Americans would need to relocate. The same thing could happen with the Deep Blue areas along the Canadian border. They are not Americans anyway and they hate this country. They are Leftist radicals and they want to live in a Leftist country. Canada would be perfect for them. What would remain, would be a "more perfect Union", which has been the goal all along.

Blogger Kat August 04, 2020 11:15 AM  

Akulkis wrote:>> Closed border policy highly recommended, with exceptions only for the hottest of their young single women.

With a stipulation that she must be both married AND PREGNANT within 12 months of her date of entry, or else back to the socialist hell-hole she goes.


Might want to see how well that worked out for Israel in the Old Testament......

Blogger Zorlig August 04, 2020 11:48 AM  

It seems like cities would maintain control of surrounding red areas. Farmers would generally need to be in the same country as their customers or you'd end up with the countries invading that farmland if there was an issue.

Blogger Valar Addemmis August 04, 2020 11:58 AM  

People don't realize how much the race is going to change once we actually get to the general election phase and the Democrats have locked in Biden. Talk to normal, not political people about Biden. They tend to not *even know* about the whole paid Ukrainian no-show job where he didn't even speak the language. You can shock people without even going beyond the plain demonstrable public facts, or tying it together with Biden's brag about getting them to fire the prosecutor.

People just don't know this stuff. The media hasn't covered it, and they don't pay attention anyway. But as soon as ads actually start hitting Biden on substance, things are going to shift massively. People already know who Trump is, for better or worse. His favorability and personality is baked into the cake. Biden's an enigma, which is surreal to say for a guy who has been in government for half a century or so (including in the second-highest office).

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:05 PM  

>>
The cops and national guard officers in Michigan are insanely highly paid. They also have gold plated pensions. They would, without a peep, obey Whitmer's orders to execute the Trump college members and seal the Biden votes.

I served for nearly 20 years in 1-125th Infantry. Those men, INCLUDING their officers would sooner kill themselves than obey an order from Whitmer to attack their own families and neighbors for the benefit of the rogue elements in Detroit. The same goes for the state (non-National Guard) Militia, who reports directly to TAG (The Adjutant General -- the senior military officer at the state level). I personally know commander of that organization, as well as the commo chief (who was my platoon sergeant for about 10 years).

If given such orders, they would do one of the following:

1) Arrest Whitmer

OR

2) Ambush Whitmer and kill her AND her entire entourage, leaving no survivors.

Despite being "Weekend warriors", 1-125th elements were among of the highest performing units Iraq, showing up even most regular army units.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:15 PM  

>> I'm perfectly happy with self determination for commie proggies in their own hell hole if they leave the rest of us out.

There are still half a dozen commie hell holes around the world for them to choose from, if that's the socio-economic system they want to live under. Considering that not more than 20% of the American public, not even in the cities, wants that nonsense, they have no right to take even one currently incorporated city to implent such ideas here.

These people don't even have the ethics of the loony utopian (sex-) communes of the 1800's, who at least bought their own land and built their own towns to try out their nutty "free-love" & community-parenting & neither-private-property-nor-posessions ideas.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:17 PM  

It won't be Lincoln Redux. It will be closer to the Spanish and Finnish civil wars of the 1930s.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:45 PM  

>> Participating in that election created an obligation to abide by the outcome. If the Democrats want to pull the Blue States out of the Union....by all means, let's make a deal... but it needs to be before the November election and not after the votes are counted.

They would never do such a thing, because they're hoping to grab the jackpot.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 12:49 PM  

>>

It seems like cities would maintain control of surrounding red areas. Farmers would generally need to be in the same country as their customers or you'd end up with the countries invading that farmland if there was an issue.


Have you not sussed out that the people living in the cities ABHOR farmers every bit as much as Lenin did?

Blogger Jose Miguel August 04, 2020 1:07 PM  

@121 Kat

Might want to see how well that worked out for Israel in the Old Testament......

Mass intermarrying with the Moabites/Edomites/other is what got Israel into trouble with the Almighty, not snatching up a few dozen beautiful women per generation who swore fealty to Adonai Elohim like Ruth. The latter ended up with King David, or Moses with his wife as another example.

AKA If one of your brothers marries a gorgeous Ukrainian, all's fair. If half your brothers and cousins marry Ukrainian girls, your clan won't be American anymore in a generation.

@125 Akulkis

These people don't even have the ethics of the loony utopian (sex-) communes of the 1800's, who at least bought their own land and built their own towns to try out their nutty "free-love" & community-parenting & neither-private-property-nor-posessions ideas.

It's why I have far more admiration for Venezuelans, they just keep trying to make leftism work! To them it's always America's and/or Colombia's fault that they keep failing.

Blogger Bezzle August 04, 2020 1:45 PM  

@111. Azure Amaranthine August 04, 2020 5:29 AM
> "speck-grab"
You're still lying.

- Lying by calling another a liar. Tsk, tsk.

In addition the South tried to purchase it multiple times to...

- An offer to purchase contains within it the premise that the seller owns the item in question.

remove the thorn,

- The euphemism "thorn" equates the mere presence of Sumter as being comparable to an actual wound drawing real blood.

...but the North wasn't having it...

- Within the same sentence, you're stipulating Sumter wasn't for sale. Right, then. Now what? --Is it really so hard to ignore a Northern speck out there in the fog?

Intolerable! To war we go!

because it was their goad...

- "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!"

...to force the war.

- "Force"...how? "Goad" them to shoot first, it is implied, through the intolerable affront of not leaving? That would make Confederate leaders look both bad and stupid, wouldn't it? How did they fall for this cunning plan, if such a thing even existed? ...Insults are not force.

while looking like they didn't start it.

- "Looking like they didn't start it" because they in fact didn't start it ("it" being the shooting.

====

Imperial Japan offered the same excuses for shooting first in WWII. Like contemporary insecure SJWs, they were easily offended, and felt their loss of face intolerable. Were they goaded, were they insulted? Did they have it coming? ...It doesn't matter.

====

Prince Humperdinck made it out the other end of the movie alive and still in possession of his castle and crown because he was capable of weathering an affront to his pride. He correctly determined that contending for a speck (Princess Buttercup, who didn't like him anyway) wasn't worth the risk of losing everything that he already had.

Blogger rho.dan.us. August 04, 2020 3:42 PM  

I live in California. I wish California was not seen as represented by San Francisco and Los Angeles.

Blogger Akulkis August 04, 2020 4:16 PM  

>> I'd rather secession than war. Likely to get both, but Lincoln Redux does not need to happen.

Ask the Koreans and the Vietnamese about how satisfied their Commie fellow tribesmen were with ruling over and controlling only those who wanted to live under Communism.

Blogger Bezzle August 04, 2020 8:49 PM  

@131. rho.dan.us. August 04, 2020 3:42 PM
I live in California. I wish California was not seen as represented by San Francisco and Los Angeles.

- The Left's plan has been clear for decades: capture and destroy all centers of governance, productivity, and commerce in the United States. Along the way, anything else desirable. New York, Washington DC, and Detroit were the first targets, with all coastal port cities and internal transportation hubs (e.g., Atlanta, Minneapolis, Kansas City, etc) next.

Any secession leaving them in control of the American crown-jewels (however much filth they smeared over them in the interim) while leaving the red-pills deserts and blow-fly-ridden flyover country surrounded on the edge by Commieland -- is no viable plan.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( if you don't want to Racist, you must confess: Islam is right about the Jews ) August 04, 2020 11:03 PM  

13. Linden Arden August 03, 2020 3:16 PM
Probably one of the most frightening things I have read this week.


hark, what is that i hear in the distance? could it be, a Turclucken? smells like a good Thanksgiving coming up.

19. Argus Bacchus August 03, 2020 3:27 PM
U.S.: "Well, half of them are citizens of your country."



thus the refusal of repatriation; Mexico knows they're all rapists and murderers and drug mules.


23. Russell Morrison August 03, 2020 3:37 PM
Is there any way to say this without offending every snowflake in California?



*ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh*

don't tell them they get all of their water from Colorado, most of them are too stupid to know.



35. Jeroth August 03, 2020 4:09 PM
They can buy the food they need, but they have no say in telling us how to live, and we have no say in telling them how to live.


a ... Republican ... form of government? you DON'T say. i wonder if anyone has ever thought of this before?



81. Zero the EBTs August 03, 2020 9:14 PM
"...there needs to be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none unless it be forced upon the national authority."


yes. because the United States does not have a long, sordid history of instigating other nations into attacking us ( or even better, just claiming that they had: Remember the Maine! ) and then initiating a war.


85. Statix August 03, 2020 10:47 PM
The majority of Americans would eagerly pay a secession tax to break away from Seattle and California.



i would rather collect a secession fee.



87. Jose Miguel August 03, 2020 10:56 PM
A few nights each year I may have to keep them warm with fires, but it's doable.


there's a guy growing citrus. in Nebraska.

uses black drain tile laid 20 down and buried to pipe air through to keep his greenhouses warm at night.

115. tuberman August 04, 2020 9:29 AM
Comparing this possible secession to the 1860's is dumb, as in -- just who is talking secession this time?


it's dumb to compare the Democrat party to the Democrat party?

you DO realize that the Democrats of the 1850s and the Democrats of 2020 were both in favor of advantaging certain races in Law, yes?

they just changed their minds about which race they wanted to advantage.

119. DonReynolds August 04, 2020 10:12 AM
There are no gamblers who get to change their mind or pull their bet once they find out they have lost.


strange. that doesn't conjoin particularly well with "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".

perhaps you don't believe in the principles upon which the Union was founded?



119. DonReynolds August 04, 2020 10:12 AM
In 1860, the Confederates should have quit the Union before the election, not after the election.


this is absurd. and stupid.

EVERY opportunity to secede happens AFTER an election, and has since 1788. had they seceded prior to 1860 you'd be whining about how they hadn't abided by the results of the 1854 election and Buchanan's presidency.

either you DO believe that a Right of Secession exists or you don't. don't pussyfoot around playing these stupid word games as if it had any logical meaning.

either the 10th Amendment provides each State with the Right to determine it's own terms of Secession or the 10th Amendment has no meaning whatsoever.

do you defend the Constitution or not?


130. Zero the EBTs August 04, 2020 1:45 PM
He correctly determined that contending for a speck (Princess Buttercup, who didn't like him anyway) wasn't worth the risk of losing everything that he already had.



you're going to pretend that Humperdinck's plan wasn't to murder Buttercup and blame Guilder so he could start a war with them?

so you acknowledge that Sumter was intended to be a Casus Belli against the South?

now you're just trololololing.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 05, 2020 3:36 AM  

You call it an insignificant speck. It was seriously hindering trade at the South's most significant port. Therefore liar. One minute on infogalactic could cure your willful ignorance: https://infogalactic.com/info/South_Carolina_in_the_American_Civil_War#Secession

"More importantly, South Carolina's claim of independence would look empty if U.S. federal forces controlled its largest harbor."

What part of "controlled its largest harbor" reads as "insignificant speck"?

"An offer to purchase contains within it the premise that the seller owns the item in question."

Bait rejected. The US Federal was understood to be the owner, and attempts were made to negotiate the transfer of ownership of the fort, which Lincoln rebuffed.

"Right, then. Now what? --Is it really so hard to ignore a Northern speck out there in the fog?"

The one holding up shipping and situated in the middle of the mouth of their harbor? Yes. Pull up a map you moron, if you're capable of reading one.

"...Insults are not force."

A physical fort with cannons and occupied by enemy forces in the mouth of your harbor and refusing to leave, is.

"because they in fact didn't start it ("it" being the shooting.

The highest level of war is strategy. Strategy is logistics. I'll draw an easy physical analogy. You try to leave a train. Someone comes up behind you and holds a knife to your neck. Mind, they don't actually cut you, they just grab you and won't let go, thus threatening the blood supply to your head, or the shipping to your largest harbor. You tell them to let you go, no response. You try to bargain with them to let you go, no response.

By your retarded argument, you will of course be the aggressor when you initiate actual violence in attempt to free yourself.

Go ahead, triple down.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 05, 2020 3:37 AM  

"Imperial Japan offered the same excuses for shooting first in WWII. Like contemporary insecure SJWs, they were easily offended, and felt their loss of face intolerable."

You again prove you haven't the faintest clue.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 05, 2020 3:39 AM  

Here's a hint with Japan, we literally threatened to bombard their coastal villages with our warships in order to force them to open their doors for trade. That was only our first meeting with them.

Blogger ontoiran August 05, 2020 8:14 AM  

after they secede, we smuggle weapons to the good people stuck behind enemy lines. after about a year of guerilla warfare, we get our beautiful west coast back...minus the shit

Blogger Darren August 05, 2020 10:22 AM  

Although Kurt's novel is almost "Day Of The Rope" light, it is still quite good too.
Reading both is good for the subconscious, who knows how fast things are coming.

Blogger Darren August 05, 2020 10:24 AM  

I wonder if the "Fourth Turning" theorists are gonna call these "4a 4b and 4c"...

Blogger travvyboy August 05, 2020 12:15 PM  

Separate California from the rest of the US. Use NSA spying apparatus to find real right wingers and offer them a ticket out, keep the rest of the lunatics in. Use the location as a place to deport left wing lunatics.

They are a separate country without any say in United States politics, and they are barred from having any military force or any foreign takeover. They would be under control of the United States, without any say in it. They cannot travel into the United States.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 05, 2020 12:38 PM  

MATT wrote:Makes you wonder, what the hell did they have planned that these 4 years prevented?
I don't know. I suspect the pandemic was planned with the goal of putting small businesses out of business and consolidating power to the Amazon/Wal-Mart/etc big-businesses and banks.

Gospace wrote:I hope the fears of civil war again are overblown. I suspect they may not be, and will be started by the same party that started the last one.
The biggest problem, as I see it, is a lack of Justice within governance. IMO, there is such a dearth of Justice that the people's souls cry out for it, sure some are twisted by narrative or ideology to evil ends, but the need remains. — The somewhat recent study showing that nearly a third of young men in the US aren't having sex (see here) and the MGTOW movement are symptomatic of this lack-of-justice as applied to creating/sustaining a family: a man can be completely faithful to his wife, hard working and providing for his family only to have everything snatched away by no-fault divorce, and add to this the dangers of #MeToo/false-rape accusations. And government by it's policies encourage that non-stability.

Nostromo wrote:Gonna need a bigger wall--apologies to Quint.
A wall doesn't matter without the ability and will to (a) kill those who would violate the wall and its boundary, and (b) get rid of those who are here illegitimately.

CM wrote:I'm perfectly happy with self determination for commie proggies in their own hell hole if they leave the rest of us out.
I'd rather secession than war. Likely to get both, but Lincoln Redux does not need to happen.

Somewhat Ironically, I believe that the best solution to our illegal alien problem is siege warfare:
For each Sanctuary City, surround it, cut off water and prevent entry, allow the average citizen to leave, but arrest the city-leadership and the illegal-aliens, trying the former for sedition and Treason, and immediately deporting the latter... when Judges whine about the deportations, arrest them for their Treason.
Bam! Tons of corruption cleaned up.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 05, 2020 12:42 PM  

Akulkis wrote:Have you not sussed out that the people living in the cities ABHOR farmers every bit as much as Lenin did?
But not as much as Mao!

Blogger RadixMalorum August 05, 2020 3:57 PM  

ontoiran wrote:after they secede, we smuggle weapons to the good people stuck behind enemy lines. after about a year of guerilla warfare, we get our beautiful west coast back...minus the shit

More likely what will happen is the region will go to shit and then you start getting "refugees" and "undocumented immigrants" rushing for the bordering states and repeating the same process there. The cuckservatives will probably allow it to happen.

Until the American Nation gains the will to sink the damn boats and shoot them at the borders what happens in CA will repeat until there's no more land left.

Blogger RadixMalorum August 05, 2020 4:00 PM  

Unknown wrote:They would be under control of the United States, without any say in it. They cannot travel into the United States.

If the US had the will to control its borders what happened to CA would've never happened in the first place. CA itself used to be a red strong hold. This will repeat in all other states until the Americans gain the will to sink the boats and shoot them at the borders.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 05, 2020 7:20 PM  

RadixMalorum wrote:Until the American Nation gains the will to sink the damn boats and shoot them at the borders what happens in CA will repeat until there's no more land left.
I really wanted Trump to A-10 the "migrant caravans" back in 2018; but apparently he's too much of a "negotiator" to do something like that.

Blogger Angela August 05, 2020 8:35 PM  

If they secede can we have another big, beautiful wall? Oh pretty please.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare August 06, 2020 8:19 PM  

@Jack Ward

Iirc the Senate sets the rules for federal elections, so they should most definitely have the authority to disallow vote-by-mail. Whether they'd have the guts? Well, that's a question that answers itself.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 09, 2020 9:26 AM  

OneWingedShark wrote:I really wanted Trump to A-10 the "migrant caravans" back in 2018; but apparently he's too much of a "negotiator" to do something like that.
Trump wants what he wants, not what we wants, precious.

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