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Thursday, September 24, 2020

Homeschool or divorce

This report doesn't actually include homeschooling, but given the significantly better family outcomes that accompany Christian Protestant private schooling than either Roman Catholic private schooling or public schooling, it is quite safe to assume that homeschoolers are even more likely to end up in intact families, without experiencing either children out of wedlock or divorce:

Men and women who have been educated in a private school tend to be more likely to be married, less likely to have ever divorced, and less likely to have had a child outside of wedlock. Figure 1 displays the proportion of US adults from each school sector who are in intact marriages, have ever divorced, and have ever had a non-marital birth. All other figures in this report, like Figure 1, do not adjust for background demographic characteristics like race, ethnicity, parental education, age, and gender. Nonetheless, these patterns remain unchanged even when results are adjusted using a regression framework for demographic characteristics. Specifically,

  • Adults who attended Protestant schools are more than twice as likely to be in an intact marriage as those who attended public schools. They are also about 50% less likely than public-school attendees to have a child out of wedlock.
  • Among those who have ever married, Protestant-school attendees are about 60% less likely than public-school attendees to have ever divorced.
  • Compared with public-school attendees, ever-married adults who attended a secular private school are about 60% less likely to have ever divorced.
  • Catholic-school attendees are about 30% less likely to have had a child out of wedlock than those who attended public schools.

The results detailed in this report suggest that boys and girls who attend private schools are more likely to avoid a nonmarital birth and to get and stay married. This pattern is especially pronounced among Protestant-school attendees, which suggests that these schools are more likely to foster a kind of “Protestant Family Ethic” among their students. This is an ethic that seems especially conducive to strong and stable families.

Of particular note is the complete failure of "missionary schooling" otherwise known as "sending your kids to public school to be a light unto the benighted godless masses". That was always a transparently absurd excuse, as children are in the public schools to be indoctrinated, not to indoctrinate. But now there are statistics demonstrating how stupid that feeble rationalization always was.

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Blogger rikjames.313 September 24, 2020 5:32 AM  

Quite a few years ago I was in education law at a decently ranked law school and a higher level Department of Education guy came in to guest lecture.

The thing that stuck with me, and he didn't say it this way, he took way longer, was: They wanted to spread out the white kids between schools and areas because they would serve as mentors and examples for the brown kids. They knew the white kids would get held back and there would be issues, but it would make the brown kids a little smarter and all schools would be equal.

I decided no way in hell would my future kids go to a public school.

I get a similar impression on race and 'equality' from a lot of catholic higher ups (when they aren't busy raping little kids or covering it up)

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot September 24, 2020 5:44 AM  

Of particular note is the complete failure of "missionary schooling" otherwise known as "sending your kids to public school to be a light unto the benighted godless masses".

Since the entire educational system, not just the other students are arrayed against you, this is tantamount to martyring your children.

Of course, this is always a fun point for playing with SWPLS: "If you're so worried about the state of inner city schools, send your kids to one. Think of all the rich cultural exchange that will occur! Lift your lamp beside the golden door!"

Blogger Boaty Bear September 24, 2020 5:56 AM  

I wish I hadn't fallen for the BS and waited until I was 49 before having children, but at least I've learned what not to do now that I have.

We decided to have a child/children after 2 years of BBs livestreams..

A happy synchronicity that our Son was born on 31 July... on the same day as BBs third was born.

Thanks BB, for waking us up before it was too late.

Blogger JC September 24, 2020 5:57 AM  

"Homeschool or divorce" is also what you should say to your wife if she wants to put your children in public school or even daycare. People hate hearing this but I maintain that even the nicest, safest daycare is child abuse because at best, you're putting your child in second place.

Anonymous Anonymous September 24, 2020 6:10 AM  

You send your girl to school as a lady and she comes back as a s**t

FUCK SCHOOLS!!

Blogger Ron Tomlinson September 24, 2020 6:46 AM  

@4 >"Homeschool or divorce" is also what you should say to your wife if she wants to put your children in public school or even daycare. People hate hearing this

Yes, they go ballistic. But it can't be helped. Daycare is the opposite of parenting. Strike that, there's no such thing as 'parenting'. There are mothers and fathers. Daycare is the opposite of mothering.

Blogger Shane Bradman September 24, 2020 6:48 AM  

Catholic schools are completely infested. When I was at Catholic school, they had lesbians teaching sex ed to 8 year olds. This was more than a decade and a half ago. Do not send your children to Catholic school, especially if you're Catholic. It's where children go to become atheists.

Blogger doctrev September 24, 2020 6:57 AM  

What surprises me most about this study is how few students were actually studied in Protestant and secular private schools. That has a major impact on the standard of error when studying Protestant populations, and one would think that conservative white Protestants would be more motivated to send their children to religious schools than the general Catholic population.

Plus, look at Figure 7 in the report. Non-whites do not go to Protestant schools (Hey, where's everyone running off to?). Understandable, but that's going to skew the results no matter how much regression is done to compensate- blacks have bad results, Asians have good ones. While Hispanics are more likely to retain intact marriages AND have children out of wedlock. Religious education is clearly better for the poor and non-whites who attend school.

I'm sure homeschoolers would have even better results, academically and morally. I'd be surprised if homeschooling numbers don't overtake Catholic numbers this decade.

Blogger mgh September 24, 2020 7:00 AM  

WASP Lives Matter!

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 24, 2020 7:08 AM  

There's that "hidden America" that I occasionally caught a glimpse of back when I was volunteering with hunter ed.
There are actually normal white American families out there, no TVs and Netflix, no kids glued to handeld post modernism, men run the house, the wives not obese and bossy.... They do exist. But if you are not one of them and on their sort of network, you ain't seeing them.

Blogger Aeroschmidt September 24, 2020 7:12 AM  

People send their children to Prot and Cath schools because they care more than other parents or the child got kicked out of public school.

Homeschool was next level caring about your children.

As homeschooling becomes more mainstream, will the selection bias diminish and become closer in outcome to other options?

Blogger AgiS September 24, 2020 7:14 AM  

In Germany school attendance is mandatory. I've signed today another petition at change.org for the legalization of homeschooling in Germany and hope more people will open their eyes and we'll pull this change through.

Blogger RedJack September 24, 2020 7:14 AM  

My kid go to a Protestant school. Local high schools love our graduates, and can always spot them.

It isn't about race either. The kids end up more behaved, driven, and push to succeed no matter what their IQ.
The Catholic school next door is known for sport, drugs,and the we need moms. Never understood why

Blogger VFM #7634 September 24, 2020 7:21 AM  

The Catholic school next door is known for sport, drugs,and the we need moms. Never understood why

For Catholics, the rule is: the Second Vatican Council ruined everything.

Blogger basementhomebrewer September 24, 2020 7:25 AM  

The light in the darkness should be a pyre in the distance, not a guttering candle in the abyss. Let them walk towards the beacon.

Blogger Pedro the Cat September 24, 2020 7:33 AM  

Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old it will not depart from him. Proverbs 22:6

Training them up in a public school is to have them trained up by Satan.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer September 24, 2020 7:35 AM  

...They wanted to spread out the white kids between schools and areas because they would serve as mentors and examples for the brown kids. They knew the white kids would get held back and there would be issues, but it would make the brown kids a little smarter and all schools would be equal..

Wow, that is just amazingly F'd up. so how did that work out? Did Tyrone Dindu Nuffin's scores go up? Whites are sacrificed in the name of trying to teach long division. The want to be white envy sticks out like a sore thumb.

... Daycare is the opposite of parenting. Strike that, there's no such thing as 'parenting'. There are mothers and fathers. Daycare is the opposite of mothering....

This X1000

Who raised Amy Barret's kids while she was going to college, law school, interning and playing a judge? She is a role model alright.... the standard bearer for solipsism.

Blogger boogeyman September 24, 2020 7:35 AM  

So many people use the "good schools" metric when they move, but it turns out the best school is at home. There's probably a zen koan in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to suss it out.

Blogger Paulito September 24, 2020 7:44 AM  

Expecting children to evangelize to other children in a public school setting is like expecting a good apple to turn a barrel of bad apples back to fresh. It just doesn't work that way.

Blogger Stilicho September 24, 2020 7:44 AM  

Well, as your Rieichsfuhrer said, give me your children and I do not care what your politics are, they will be mine... or somesuch.

Anonymous Anonymous September 24, 2020 7:48 AM  

@10 This is true. White western Americans tend to keep to their own and avoid anyone of the liberal persuasion.

Public school is basically glorified day care with a side of government brainwashing, which is the only reason the government hasn't canned the Department of Education yet. Yet. I think it's coming, and good riddance.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 24, 2020 7:52 AM  

Come to think of it, where are the black Southern Baptist private schools? Surely in this toilet bowl of anarchy at least one if everything exists.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 24, 2020 8:10 AM  

Catholic schools were already bad when I was going in the mid-80s. The old, no-nonsense sisters in full nun's habit were being replaced by younger, social justice sisters whose only habit was a simple veil with their pantsuit, and it wasn't long before they discarded the uniform altogether. They were more interested in teaching us about the evils of pollution and nuclear power, the great liberal bugaboos of the time, than about actual evil or our religion. As I think Michael Voris once said, I didn't learn much about my faith, but I can make a great macaroni Jesus. Even those weak sisters were eventually replaced by lay people drawn from the same teaching college pool as the ones in the public schools.

I don't suppose it's gotten any better. When I get appeals letters from the local Catholic school, for amusement I read until they brag about how they welcome students of all faiths (or none), and then toss it in the trash. That's another problem they have: instead of taking only the families who are serious about their faith, which I assume is what Protestant private schools tend to do, they virtue-signal by taking anyone and then water down what was left of the religious curriculum to suit them. They're private schools run by Catholics, not Catholic schools, so kids aren't going to get Catholic teaching on divorce there.

Blogger RedJack September 24, 2020 8:11 AM  

Ok. But they were known for that in my Dads time. He loved the Catholic school girls when he was in high school. Enough that he gave me strict warnings to never date one

Blogger Newscaper312 September 24, 2020 8:22 AM  

I do think part of the Protestant vs Catholic outcomes differential is an additional.element of selection bias on the former.
Since the dominant or default culture is (was) Protestant in most places in the US, and for a long time still had at least a shadow of influence in the public schools. Parochial school was more of a default choice for Catholics in reactio, whereas a protestant private school was more only a draw for the more motivated.
Of course the appeal has increased a lot in the last 20 years or so but has limited impact on the adult divorce stats.
Also note Catholic schools would have more lower class Hispanic students, possibly for another skew.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 24, 2020 8:24 AM  

Divorce breeds divorce, bastard bitches breed bastard bitches, and so on. Intact families are more likely to be able to afford private schools, and more likely to raise stable adults who will form intact families. The fact that this even works for Catholic schools shows that it isn't the school.

I think I remember that we see the exact same results for children raised in unbroken homes versus broken homes.

Blogger Avalanche September 24, 2020 8:27 AM  

@1 "I get a similar impression on race and 'equality' from a lot of catholic higher ups"

Thus my deep dismay at yet ANOTHER Catholic of the Supreme Court! Religion / religious upbringing cannot BUT 'form' the world view and underlying sense of normality.

We have Vox's 'conflict is the air we breath'; but the underlying unconscious sense of 'this is normal' is not even visible to many folk, and has a huge effect on what's acceptable -- without the parties even knowing they have that standard.

Some of the biggest stumbling blocks in forming a long-lasting marriage are not some big concept or belief; those can be negotiated and should be before marriage. "Will we have kids?" is a usual 'gate' before marriage. "Do we support / allow miscegenation or mass immigration?" would be another. As would "home school or public school?"

Smaller ones: "How will we celebrate Christmas? Ham or turkey or roast?" Or, {wince}, the Southern: "you ALWAYS have dinner rolls when you have people over" as against the Northern: "Sorry-what? We're having rice, that's the 'starch' to go with the meat and potatoes; of course I didn't prepare dinner rolls."

Such unconscious biases or unexamined expectations always have an effect. And the effect can be one of recoil and "What's wrong with you?!" The formation of 'what's normal' actually does differ by religion; and nationality, and a host of other differences.

Post-Kavanaugh, pre-dead-witch+new-Catholic: "The makeup of the current court puts Catholic judges in the majority, where over half of the Justices are practicing Catholics. The Supreme Court has had a sitting Catholic majority on the bench since 2006."

How the Protestant country that is the U.S. ended up with Catholic (55.6%), Jew (33.3%), Protestant (11.1%) "justices" is worth consideration. Just who runs The Federalist Society anyway?

Blogger Avalanche September 24, 2020 8:33 AM  

@13 " Local high schools love our graduates, and can always spot them."

Cause the home schooled kids are generally not feral!

Blogger tantonj September 24, 2020 8:39 AM  

I was sent to public school, every kid in my church went to the non denominational private school beside my school (high school). But my parents did this because money, and didn't use Bs excuses. My churchian sister however, used this exact excuse for herself. To be fair, she really embodied the philosophy. However, she's an extreme outlier in this case. God knows my school corrupted me. The problem now is she's using the same excuse for her children now while teaching at a protestant private school herself. I've asked her if she's going to put her kids in the school, but she just says, "no public school was great for me". For a young xer she's more Boomer than my father. She loves that civ nattery and churchianity.

Blogger VD September 24, 2020 8:51 AM  

the Southern: "you ALWAYS have dinner rolls when you have people over"

That's not Southern, that's just civilized.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 24, 2020 8:55 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Come to think of it, where are the black Southern Baptist private schools?
Unless White folks are paying, there aren't likely to be any. Why would a Black family pay to have their kids locked up all day with a bunch of Black kids? They can get that free at the public schools.

Blogger Thad Tuiol September 24, 2020 9:05 AM  

I had 2 years in a TradCath school back in the 80s, learned a ton of Latin and math, but the poz was already creeping in even then. We had a flaming queer lay social studies teacher who would insist the white man needed to atone for many sins around the world. I left when my USMC dad was reassigned to South Korea.

Still, I'm grateful for all that Latin.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot September 24, 2020 9:05 AM  

Catholic schools are completely infested.

And they're dying rapidly. Even the most cucked parents aren't willing to fork out to get the same "experience" at the "good" public schools in their area, and all the kids who don't have access to said 'good' schools we're always "on scholarship", so no help there. Even the good sports teams aren't saving them.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot September 24, 2020 9:12 AM  

How the Protestant country that is the U.S. ended up with Catholic (55.6%), Jew (33.3%), Protestant (11.1%) "justices" is worth consideration.

Cuz it's da nayshun o' immygrants, obviously.

Blogger VD September 24, 2020 9:14 AM  

where are the black Southern Baptist private schools?

First, blacks tend to be Baptist, not Southern Baptist. Second, blacks don't tend to run or volunteer for organizations. One of the things that kills club teams is permitting too many black players. Sure, they can play. But too few white players soon means no parents, no volunteers, no coaches, and no money.

So the club dies and the players move on to the next club.

Blogger Avalanche September 24, 2020 9:18 AM  

@30 the Southern: "you ALWAYS have dinner rolls when you have people over"
That's not Southern, that's just civilized.

I know that NOW, Dark Lord ... I was still feral when that particular 'rub' arose.

Bless my late husband for his insane patience while, as he called it: 'taming his feral female'! Wish he'd been here longer to finish the job. Deeply appreciate you and your commenters throwing in a helping hand. (Sorry for needing one sometimes: Half-tamed with no keeper... Still working on it!)

I'd offer a bit of hope to young men wanting families -- you CAN tame the feral ones. Of course, it's way better to find an undamaged one, but they're in short supply. And to your amazement, you may find many of them WANT to be tamed; even if they don't know it yet. Certainly not the town bike, but many girls are half-damaged and half-waiting/hoping. Romance novels are still the best selling books on the planet!

It's a sorting problem, not only/mainly a sourcing problem. Also, make sure your hunting ground is sound; you won't find many non-poisoned ones in the septic system!

Blogger mgh September 24, 2020 9:23 AM  

22: The black private school life cycle looks like this: An idealistic black man starts it, local businesses are guilted into support, mamas who want more for their kids enroll them, it looks promising for a number of years, and then it implodes when the founder gets caught up in a financial or sexual scandal that drags out while the mamas defend him. It is the fundamental problem with black society, the good people cannot band together to accomplish anything long term because they won't punish the sinners.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 24, 2020 9:32 AM  

Conservative Whites could get a whole lot better deal just by asking for a better deal, but conservative whites are the picture next to the definition of price takers. And if the social game is like the 100 meter dash then conservative whites are like Sparky from the group home up against Usain Bolt.

Blogger Matamoros September 24, 2020 9:41 AM  

We sent ours to public school for the sports programs, but home schooled up until junior high/middle school.

They were catechized with the Baltimore Catechism and Radio Replies, prayed the family rosary every night and attended Mass.

All of my large family remain traditional Catholics, and all of my protestant in-laws have either converted or are converting. Properly catechizing your family works.

Remember also, the Swiss study that shows that it is the father who determines by whether he practices his faith, whether the children will remain in the faith or not.

For Catholics I strongly recommend "My Catholic Faith" 1954 edition.

Blogger Brian September 24, 2020 9:42 AM  

Veritas

Blogger Shane Bradman September 24, 2020 9:51 AM  

@23. Catholic schools are not run by Catholics. They're funded by the Catholic Church, but run by worldy people who would rather worship a pagan idol of "mother earth" than Jesus Christ. You will not learn a world of Catholicism at Catholic schools.

Blogger Greg from the Piedmont September 24, 2020 10:03 AM  

When we lived in New Hampshire, my son went to a private Protestant school. When we changed his school, he went to a very traditional Catholic school for the 5th grade.

I wanted to impress upon him that there were some differences between what Catholics and Baptists believe in a way he could easily use to remind himself not to argue doctrine with his Catholic friends and teachers. I told him that the big difference between Baptists and Catholics was Baptists believed that Jesus turned the water into grape juice, not wine.

"Son, what's the difference between Baptists and Catholics?"

"GRAPE JUICE NOT WINE!"

The school was a very good one and rivaled the Protestant school for good Biblical teaching. Much to the surprise of the nuns and priest, the little Protestant boy had the highest grade in the catechism class, and when Lent rolled around, that same little Protestant boy made out like a bandit when his Catholic friends gave him their desserts.

Blogger Barbarossa September 24, 2020 10:20 AM  

@33: Here was my Catholic school experience. We lived in a south suburb of Chicago (still in Crook County). Our parish had a K-5 school, and it was within walking distance. How nice! Have the young ones educated in our faith, get a good education and some exercise tossed in as well.

But...the test scores, which had been stellar, were in decline. Had to investigate. Of course, you already know where this is going. Turns out that the school had decided to rescue a growing number of the darker folk from by educated by their own kind in the execrable public schools in the 99% black suburbs surrounding our suburb. Naturally, this had a circular dynamic: the disruption of the new students lowered test scores both from their own presence and from the departure of families who had the resources to move their kids to the more expensive private schools; and those missing bodies prompted the school to import even more of the burgeoning talent of Wakanda, and so on and so on. Best of all, those Black Panthers-in-training were all attending on "scholarship" (words aren't meant to inform; they're apparently meant to entertain us), while I was expected to pay full price for my kids (actually, there was a 25% discount on the second one; should have had four more!).

Not surprisingly, the school, which had been a primary driver of a lot of our Lenten activities, "unexpectedly" started running short on parents willing to volunteer. I guess tending to your young must be a "white" thing. We sensibly escaped Chicago shortly thereafter, but were still saddened to hear that the school closed its doors a few years later. An institution with 50 years of service to its community struck dead by Die-versity.

As an aside, this is a prime example of why missionary work has to be done in the homeland of those you seek to reach. You can't bring them here.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 24, 2020 10:40 AM  

Crunchy Cachalot wrote:Since the entire educational system, not just the other students are arrayed against you, this is tantamount to martyring your children.

I think it a bit more accurate to call it sacrificing.

Blogger pyrrhus September 24, 2020 10:40 AM  

My wife always paid lip service to the liberal mantras of the day, but when we had kids she turned into Genghis Khan and said that there was no way in hell that any of our kids was ever going to get on a bus to go to school....and they attended good, virtually all white schools up to college....

Blogger pyrrhus September 24, 2020 10:45 AM  

Second, blacks don't tend to run or volunteer for organizations. One of the things that kills club teams is permitting too many black players. Sure, they can play. But too few white players soon means no parents, no volunteers, no coaches, and no money.

Same thing is true at the public school level...black parents, and to a lesser extent hispanics, simply don't show up for parents' nights and other school functions..I know both white parents and teachers who have bailed from the neighboring school district for this exact reason...

Blogger Newscaper312 September 24, 2020 11:01 AM  

Speaking from first hand experience, some of the Catholic schools corrupted by sports and chasing booster club donations from alumni. The winning teams are purchased by giving "scholarships" to ghetto thugs *who are not even Catholic*. So you have thugs around your white daughters but , hey you can brag about that run at the state championship. Disgusting.

Blogger Silly but True September 24, 2020 11:03 AM  

There’s even more fundamental issue: live in a community that has your own school district in accordance with your community standards, then worries about its public schooling — while always under pressure from social justice — become much less. It’s a big difference when you’re the lone white kid expected to act as de facto teacher’s aid vs. no or 1 black kid in the class.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer September 24, 2020 11:24 AM  

....Sorry for needing one sometimes: Half-tamed with no keeper... Still working on it!)....

[holds chair. snaps whip] "Now get in the kitchen and make me a sammich."

Blogger RadixMalorum September 24, 2020 11:41 AM  

mgh wrote:It is the fundamental problem with black society, the good people cannot band together to accomplish anything long term because they won't punish the sinners.

The problem is many fold for blacks. Blacks have low IQ averages so don't have long term time preferences. Blacks don't have a cultural heritage of long term monogamous marriage. Blacks are from many different African ethnicities so inherently don't have unity.

Nothing short of Pre-Victorian British eugenics applied through several generations will be able to raise the black population, or any current population up to the standards of the settler Americans that founded the US.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 24, 2020 11:42 AM  

Still, I'm grateful for all that Latin.

Et ego. I wish the history, literature, and religion classes had been up to the same standard.

Blogger rikjames.313 September 24, 2020 11:44 AM  

Troy Lee Messer wrote:...They wanted to spread out the white kids between schools and areas because they would serve as mentors and examples for the brown kids. They knew the white kids would get held back and there would be issues, but it would make the brown kids a little smarter and all schools would be equal..

Wow, that is just amazingly F'd up. so how did that work out? Did Tyrone Dindu Nuffin's scores go up? Whites are sacrificed in the name of trying to teach long division. The want to be white envy sticks out like a sore thumb.


Because of a ruling in the 1970s, the metro Detroit area is a patchwork of smaller districts, there can be 4 different districts in the same 6 square mile block. It was related to busing. Detroit is crappy, and so are some of the small districts due to demographic change.

A woman at work is black. They live in Detroit for family reasons and her husband's job. She and her family take turns driving their teen son out to a very far suburb (school of choice is what we call it locally). They decided not even a charter school would work, because he is a bit of a follower.

So the experiment couldn't continue here, due to the loss of ability to bus more than a few miles.

Blogger B September 24, 2020 12:09 PM  

Most Catholic elementary and high schools are fully converged and not much different than public schools. Virtually all "Catholic" colleges and Universities in the US are converged (the exceptions are rare and you can count them on one hand). You will have better luck with Catholic-based homeschooling, which is supported by "traditionalist" (non-converged) Catholic parents who ignore the USCCB (i.e., bishops).

In my experience, those who attend Catholic schools are more likely to lose their faith because, simply, they are not taught it by either the school or their parents.

Blogger Zorlig September 24, 2020 12:35 PM  

When I looked at this previously, once you do factor in all the variables it seemed iq was the main factor in stable marriages. Choices about kids schooling seemed to follow that.

Blogger CarpeOro September 24, 2020 12:43 PM  

I was fortunate to grow up on the outer-fringe of metro Detroit (my father drove into the city to teach at Mumford during the day and Redford [where he had attended] at night). No bussing and maybe 2% non-white. With all that going for it, the teachers were a mixed bag [I imagine the hippie political science teacher was sad that the only ones participating in his discussions - no actual tests or anything resembling standard - were me and a couple of other conservative kids], a few good, alot mediocre. No nearby Protestant schools (not that it would have been in the cards for me as the son of a solid Democrat public school teacher) and only one Catholic k-9 school. The only person I recall attending it when I was growing up was a girl that had a child out of wedlock by the age of 19. If I ever have kids I'll insist on homeschooling - a niece took a video of one of my nephews sitting at a screen for the "elearning". I had nearly his reaction listening to his teacher, which was not positive.

Blogger Autarky Bear September 24, 2020 1:16 PM  

As someone that attended a Catholic high school, most of the people I attended school with were no different from those in public schools. They all engaged in degeneracy below the surface and "pretended" to some extent that they were good Christen people. The only aspect about the school that was moderately Christen was being pro-life but even that some people had "exceptions" too. The more Catholic I have become in my life, the more I realize how anti-christian most Catholics are. I hope my Church can find its way back, but right now I fear we will lose alot of souls along the way.

Blogger Autarky Bear September 24, 2020 1:21 PM  

Yes. Parents off loaded their duty to instruct and teach the faith to a bunch of hyper secularist "christians" in schools that were abusing children left and right. Catholic schools for a longtime have been just as bad as public schools if not worse because they cloud or hide their degeneracy. The current Catholic Church needs to burn and purify itself. Because it isn't what it used to be.

Blogger Autarky Bear September 24, 2020 1:28 PM  

I agree with that line of thinking, but would just make it a stipulation of marriage. When people get married they need to be on the same page regarding; how children are raised, lifestyle choice, religion, income expectations, and roles each one plays in that system. Marrying someone when you haven't even agreed on how to educate your potential children will lead to serious conflict that is best avoided.

Anonymous Anonymous September 24, 2020 1:31 PM  

My husband and I both attended public schools; both our sons attended various private Protestant schools. Some of their teachers were stellar, but as time went on more and more were cut from the same cloth as the public school teachers. Initially the student body was mostly White. Again, this began to change. Particularly towards the end of my younger son's elementary years - his school 'reached out' to the blacks in a big way and gave far too many scholarships. Part of this was because of the churchian mothers, not one of whom would admit they were leaving for other private schools because of teachers or demographics, but claimed to want the opportunity for their kids to be on various sports teams. So the school brought in blacks for teams, and the White parents kept leaving, and the school eventually closed.

The schools all have this problem - unless their tuition is extraordinarily high, pricing out the average middle class family, they end up taking in too many non-Whites. Asian parents do not volunteer for anything, either - unless it's a cultural night featuring their own culture. My older son, in particular, learned his bible front to back, and got an excellent foundation in Latin, and did Shakespeare plays in 8th grade. He's now seriously considering converting to Catholicism. The younger son's experience wasn't as positive, and we ended up pulling him out altogether when the school's curriculum got totally pozzed and his young new teachers were all in for group projects.

Wherever you send your kids to school, if you do, READ ALL THEIR TEXTBOOKS FIRST. Both my sons ended up with the same American history book, albeit 8 year apart. In that interim the Christian publishers added numerous pages about blacks and removed all mention of various names in American history. The difference was striking.

Blogger Autarky Bear September 24, 2020 1:35 PM  

I think Protestants have an advantage over most Catholics in that they don't often have a defined structure to their practice of faith. This has made Protestants, more individualist in their faith and therefore more independent to practice outside a Church and in the home. Because of that, it is much more likely for a Protestant over a Catholic to actually practice their faith in daily life. Catholics because of our strict traditions and how dogma plays into those traditions tend to have a separate life from Church and home as they can "practice faith" at Church and be secular at home or elsewhere.

Maybe I am over generalizing all this, but that has been my experience so far. Catholics need to start returning to faith at home not just Church.

Blogger ex-pastor September 24, 2020 2:31 PM  

Missionary schooling is possible. It has to fully intentional, the kids involved and fully supported. We were literal missionaries in an Islamic country when the kids were small. Pub Ed compulsory (actually helpful for acculturation and language acquisition). But homeschooling to supplement (esp English and writing). Our children understood they were missionaries just as much as dad & mom, we prayed with and for them, we had their backs if peers or teachers were out of line. We had a certain amount of grace as foreigners thus high status. Christ was revered as a prophet (but that’s all) and there were no blue hairs or Pride Days so YMMV as you try to apply this in the USSA.

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 24, 2020 2:58 PM  

@60

One of the big issues I have with Vatican II: the word "optional". I've grown to loathe that word with every fiber of my being as a practicing Catholic. I know that by removing the weight of sin from neglecting your duties as a practicing Catholic, thousands of souls a day are lost because of this.

The big one is abstaining on EVERY Friday. My oldest always complains because, in her words, "It's NOT Lent!"

My response: "Well until the USCCB declares what we're actually SUPPOSED to do, I'm doing this just to be on the safe side."

In the past few years, I've started following up on Embertides, where you fast and abstain or partially abstain the Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday after St. Lucy (December), Ash Wednesday (February/March), Pentecost (May/June), and Holy Cross (September).

At least I have a windfall coming next week. New Rosaries for everyone in the house that we should be praying on a daily basis. Can't wait to finally get out of our rental and into a home where I can set up a personal altar. That will definitely help.

The whole point behind all of this is if I can set an example and remain active in my children's lives, and they see that, then they will eventually want to emulate that. Can't exactly do that if we're all over the place and not paying attention.

Blogger Bezzle September 24, 2020 3:03 PM  

@21. Ceirwyn September 24, 2020 7:48 AM
@10 This is true. White western Americans tend to keep to their own and avoid anyone of the liberal persuasion.

- With any luck, the "west" in "Midwest" will shortly be reasserting itself with a vengeance

Public school is basically glorified day care with a side of government brainwashing, which is the only reason the government hasn't canned the Department of Education yet.

- Public education has always been communist, by intent, i.e., not by happenstance or O'Sullivan's Law (AKA "convergence").

Similar to the Department of Labor, the Department of Education was simply another outpost of consolidated infiltrating communist power within government bureaucracy. Such agencies would multiply like bacteria during the Cold War, feeding off the taxes of the host to enervate it.

Blogger doctrev September 24, 2020 3:07 PM  

Crunchy Cachalot wrote:How the Protestant country that is the U.S. ended up with Catholic (55.6%), Jew (33.3%), Protestant (11.1%) "justices" is worth consideration.

Cuz it's da nayshun o' immygrants, obviously.


The elite have been pretty open about using the court to "protect" religious minorities. In reality, making the Supreme Court a third Jewish only made the conspiracy to destroy Christianity overt. The Jewish bakery and accountant had nothing to do with that: but history teaches us they will bear the brunt of the backlash.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 24, 2020 4:36 PM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:I know that by removing the weight of sin from neglecting your duties as a practicing Catholic, thousands of souls a day are lost because of this.
Dude, there is a lighter, easier yoke. Get somebody to tell you about Jesus.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 24, 2020 5:07 PM  

I went to public school in Alabama and the last 4 yrs were in a tiny private non-denominational school. The kids that spoke in tongues were a trip. My kids started school in the early 90s in the same elementary school as I had attended, many of the same teachers. After moving to GA, my husband convinced me that the brand new junior high school was great.
Spoiler alert-it was not great.
I pulled my kids out and they went to private boarding school and both finished 11th and 12th at a local Christian school that only makes you attend 3 days a week for instruction and testing. You're on your own in the meantime.
My grandkids attend a Catholic private school which I loathe, but their Catholic parents love.
It annoys me to no end.

I like "homeschool or no wedding ring," myself.

Blogger DourCdn September 24, 2020 6:21 PM  

I guess he wanted them all to himself?

Blogger American Nationalist September 24, 2020 6:30 PM  

I'm pretty sure I never once convinced anyone at my public school to believe in God or to vote Trump. In fact, my attempts were met with open hostility, especially since I was a Theater kid.

Anonymous Anonymous September 24, 2020 7:15 PM  

@69 Zeroh Tollrants: "I like "homeschool or no wedding ring," myself."

I didn't really know anything about homeschooling when I got married, but I knew my future children would not grow up in daycare. That was an absolute for me - if we marry, we have children who are raised at home. The private school and then home school question didn't even arise, and later it was an automatic consensus. If a woman claims you can't afford to live on one salary or refuses to do without various extras at the cost of sacrificing her kids to the state, she's not the one to marry.

Blogger liberranter September 24, 2020 7:22 PM  

Of particular note is the complete failure of "missionary schooling" otherwise known as "sending your kids to public school to be a light unto the benighted godless masses". That was always a transparently absurd excuse, as children are in the public schools to be indoctrinated, not to indoctrinate. But now there are statistics demonstrating how stupid that feeble rationalization always was.

Most despicable of all are self-professed "evangelical Christians" who CLAIM that they "teach" in publik skoolz for the same reason. We know this to be pure bovine excrement, as any teacher who evangelizes the Christian Gospel in a publik skool will be purged from it faster than the words "Jesus loves you" can escape from his or her mouth.

I actually asked a fellow church congregant once why he taught in a publik skool rather than in a Christian school. His unsurprising answer: the pay and benefits are so much better." Needless to say, I never had anything to do with this ticket taker ever again.

Blogger liberranter September 24, 2020 7:28 PM  

Who raised Amy Barret's kids while she was going to college, law school, interning and playing a judge? She is a role model alright.... the standard bearer for solipsism.

EXACTLY. Barret is just another example of the only difference between "Conservative" and "Liberal" feminists being that the "Conservative" type, specifically those falling into the "Christo-feminist" bucket, are anti-abortion. Otherwise Barret is in practical terms indistinguishable from RBG.

Blogger Account Name September 24, 2020 7:38 PM  

I second creating a plan before marriage. Matrimony comes from mater (mother) and monium (the state or function of). The natural end of marriage has always been the propagation of and raising of children. If you don’t have any discussions about how you want to raise your children, something is wrong.

Blogger Account Name September 24, 2020 7:40 PM  

I agree lots of Catholic schools aren’t any better than public schools and may even be worse in that they may teach doctrine wrong. But if you can find ones that advertise a classical curriculum their worth a look. Many of them are amazing.

Blogger Account Name September 24, 2020 7:53 PM  

If you want to help support good Catholic schools, look for the ones that advertise classical curriculums. My sister goes to one and it’s fantastic.

Blogger Account Name September 24, 2020 7:58 PM  

Them being infested makes it all the more important to donate to the few gems that you can often find by their advertising of classical curriculums (my sister goes to a new one that’s amazing)

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 24, 2020 8:05 PM  

You ruin your argument by using that word “easier”. That’s why we’re in this mess to begin with. Following Christ has never been an “easy” task. He even said so.

Anonymous Anonymous September 24, 2020 8:07 PM  

@71 liberranter: Spot on. Barrett is not a good example for anyone. Women are not meant to be judges. And her choices have diminished her own children at the expense of strangers'. From what I've read, she adopted infants when her own were infants, forcing them to share the mothering she owed them from birth.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 24, 2020 8:09 PM  

How the Protestant country that is the U.S. ended up with Catholic (55.6%), Jew (33.3%), Protestant (11.1%) "justices" is worth consideration.

It's an odd quirk that has to do with the different political inclinations of the most highly-educated members of each religious group who go to high-end law schools.

For whatever reason, the most highly-educated Protestants tend to be left-wing, whereas that's not necessarily true for highly-educated Catholics. The last two Protestant justices appointed by Republicans before Gorsuch were the ones who backstabbed us and went hard-left, namely, Stevens and Souter... and Gorsuch himself is wobbly, even if not yet as much as the closet-case Roberts.

So conservative judges will be disproportionately Catholic.

As for liberal judges, the most aggressive, verbally facile ones will be Jewish, so Jews end up being chosen over Protestants. The one "Catholic" liberal justice was clearly picked as a quota hire rather than for any practical reasons.

Blogger Account Name September 24, 2020 8:09 PM  

As we’ve seen with especially white liberal women going so insane so quickly, clearly a lot of it is not genetics (though sure they may play some part). It is heritable though through the values and lifestyle your raised with, your culture and the desire to grow up like those who look like you.

Blogger Unknown September 24, 2020 11:40 PM  

Patricia McCloskey would be the only acceptable female SCOTUS nominee.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 25, 2020 12:30 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:For whatever reason, the most highly-educated Protestants tend to be left-wing,

Highly education just means most indoctrinated. The education system was subverted first, which led to the indoctrination of the "highly educated". Those "highly educated" people then become the elites of society and reinforce the system of subversion that indoctrinated them for the next generation. The roots of evil go very deep.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 25, 2020 2:25 PM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:You ruin your argument by using that word “easier”. That’s why we’re in this mess to begin with. Following Christ has never been an “easy” task.
Matthew 11:30.
SemiSpook37 wrote:He even said so.
Yes, He did. I was paraphrasing Him.

Also see Mark 7:8. He warned us about following the traditions of men.

Blogger bw September 26, 2020 9:54 PM  

children are in the public schools to be indoctrinated

^^^^^^

Blogger Unknown September 29, 2020 12:18 AM  

Vox what literature do you recommend for 7/8 year olds to read? My wife and I have made the decision to pull our kids from a missionary protestant school after a so called christian teacher was bullying our children. The experience has opened our eyes to the evil school system and how it operates. We are homeschooling our children and would appreciate any advice or recommendations.

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