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Sunday, September 06, 2020

Reality check

 Four armed veterans, including a decorated Marine, were shocked to find themselves tactically outmaneuvered by Antifa in Portland:

In hindsight it was stupid on our part, I had no idea that they were like that. If it had been a full-blown riot we would not have gone. Bottom line, man, if you had ever given me a scenario like this and said hey, you’re sober, and you have a gun, and somebody is hitting you with a bat and throwing rocks at you that could kill you or put you in a coma, you try to get away but they cut you off with a convoy of vehicles and the assault starts again. They impede your movement and beat you with bats…

Would you shoot?

I’d be like, yeah what fucking planet are you from?

But in all the training that I’ve been through my life, I’ve never been in one where in the first five seconds of the scenario you’re blinded with a strobe light and sprayed with pepper spray…. That changes everything. They were throwing these rocks from 15 feet back in the crowd, you couldn’t see who the fuck through it, etc. things like that…. It’s just a good talking point for guys that carry concealed, but you need to think through all these different scenarios.

It got way worse after that video ended, they chased us for 11 city blocks. They had a convoy of about 25 vehicles that cut us off at the next intersection, They had scouts on the corner with radios, they had a drone following us, they had a bull horn calling us Nazis, and the crowd was following a red strobe light that was up in the air on a stick, so they would announce Nazis and then people would follow the red strobe light, That video is just the beginning, I’ve got a fucking fractured hand from a baton, everyone of us has black and blue bruises up and down their legs and back, I had a guy spit in my face from 6 inches away, call me a pussy and a coward for not doing anything about it, and then tell me that he was going to find where I live, rape my mother, rape my children in front of me and then kill me.

First, the operational level of war is about logistics, not tactics. Second, the enemy always gets a vote. Neither the Boomers confident in their tacticool AR-15 rifles nor the self-reliant GenXers with their concealed 5-shot .357 revolvers have any idea what they're actually likely to find themselves up against.

Note that these Patriots were sufficiently experienced to run rather than fight when they found themselves facing more than they could handle. Note as well that the police believe themselves to be in over their heads.

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Blogger Maniac September 06, 2020 9:46 AM  

I bought a Luger revolver yesterday. I think I'm going to need it.

Blogger Cinco September 06, 2020 10:02 AM  

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Blogger Dr Caveman September 06, 2020 10:02 AM  

The rioters in Portland have been practicing for 100 days straight, and antifa as a whole has been refining their techniques since the 80s.

They have been able to do this because there is very little legal crackdown - no prosecution, lots of political cover.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira September 06, 2020 10:05 AM  

That's why the only option is to shoot the bastards before they can get their strobes on and blinding you. These little turds are willing and ready to fight. If you confront them in any way you will be faced with a decision to fight or flee. The only way to handle antifa is to go out with intent to destroy them, or stay home.

Blogger Gregory the Tall September 06, 2020 10:12 AM  

Time for martial law if it is that bad. I somehow have a feeling there are tens of thousands of them. All "peaceful protests" must be banned and participation under the banners of BLM and Antifa completely illegal whilst hopefully LE will be able to take these people out one by one.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 06, 2020 10:13 AM  

"I had no idea that they were like that."

To be fair, it's not like there are videos of the riots showing that they're like that. How could he have known that they couldn't make a token show of force, engage in some healthy fisticuffs, and part like sportsmen when the whistle blew?

Blogger boron September 06, 2020 10:14 AM  

The Antifa are a very large (though an insignificant number of) well-funded, well-organized anarchists whose main purpose is the destruction of our churches, our Country, and our Constitution, aided by the Lame Stream Media. Portland, Oregon, a once safe and beautiful city, has become their beta-testing site. If we don't make a stand now, this will only spread and worsen.
I hope and pray that our political and spiritual leaders will find the backbone to put a stop to this - immediately. Normal Americans, no matter their race, religion, or political stripe, have been pushed to their limit.

Blogger ChipsAndSalsa September 06, 2020 10:14 AM  

Lots of mistakes made, but the outcome of this fight would have changed a bit if they'd opened fire. In a riot, the -crowd- is the enemy. Stop trying to find the guy that actually threw the rock.

Especially this crowd. I doubt their "troops" have been trained on how to handle being fired on. Call the police?

Blogger Rough Carrigan September 06, 2020 10:20 AM  

The police might not be in over their heads if they arrested, say, 10 of these people on the first night and had a DA who didn't waive charges and made them stay in jail. And then they arrested 10 more the next night, etc. These people have been protected from losing by attrition by the corrupt local DA. Now that all the local police have been deputized as federal officers and each little miscreant can now be brought before a federal judge, that might change.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos September 06, 2020 10:23 AM  

For potential new recruits to be singled out like that, antifa must have moles in the police department.

Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 10:23 AM  

Good experience. You survived. Now learn and adapt.

Blogger Gregory the Tall September 06, 2020 10:25 AM  

Note that these Patriots were sufficiently experienced to run rather than fight when they found themselves facing more than they could handle. Note as well that the police believe themselves to be in over their heads.
Amazing: the LE guy told them to run as he saw no better option of helping them.

Blogger VD Bear September 06, 2020 10:26 AM  

This just reinforces how good the instincts were for Kyle “The Millstone” Rittenhouse. If you are unwilling to shoot your way out don’t even bother mixing it up with these people. The guys in the article are lucky to be alive.

Blogger JB September 06, 2020 10:30 AM  

Site dos'd, link archived at http://archive.is/RHX8p

Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 10:32 AM  

Antifa seem to be paid trained mercenaries used for regime change operations just like ISIS. Want to defeat them? Then find their command and control and cut off their funding. Don't waste your time in the streets fighting the multi-billionaires' wind up toys. Hit their command and control instead. One George Soros is worth at least 10,000 Antifa zombies.

Blogger Miu September 06, 2020 10:33 AM  

is there any credible opposition to these people to get involved with?

i see the truth of what you and AC elucidate here as far as their tactical/logistical sophistication... but what do?

Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 10:38 AM  

The strength of Antifa is their funding and how they're organized. The weakness of Antifa is their funding and how they're organized.

Blogger Crew September 06, 2020 10:46 AM  

While Pantifa seems to be losing on the moral front, does that matter if President Trump will not deploy the military?

Blogger ZhukovG September 06, 2020 10:47 AM  

Sobering. I admit, the speed at which the situation is developing has taken me somewhat by surprise. I should have known better.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger carnaby September 06, 2020 10:48 AM  

The crowd acting as a shield for the rock throwers is culpable and deserves to be shot. Easier said than done, your life changed forever once you pull the trigger. Until it becomes socially acceptable.

Blogger Gregory the Tall September 06, 2020 10:50 AM  

That is a really good website, apparently overwhelmed by the interest generated by the recent developments. Thanks for linking to it, Vox!

Blogger Thomas Howard September 06, 2020 10:53 AM  

Sounds like they were outnumbered somewhere between 100 & 1000 to 1. Walking into a situation like that without adopting the appearance of the enemy is exposing yourself to 360 degrees of danger. My take is the four guys outmanuevered themselves. As for the police, typically they are good at forming a perimeter around the area of action. It's been my experience that whoever forms the outermost perimeter has a big advantage.

Blogger Balkan Yankee September 06, 2020 10:56 AM  

Those "armed veterans" had at least 100 days of observable Antifa behavior to work with. And what did they do? They concentrated numerical weakness against overwhelming numerical strength. At least they survived to tell their tale of stupidity and woe. (Not that anybody can read it at the moment, because their website is under DDOS attack.)

Imagine what might have been: Antifa chases away a small group of obvious patriots, and feeling good after a hard night of rioting, Antifa cadre returns to their tent city hive, only to find it looted and destroyed by persons unknown.

Or this: Small teams dressed like Antifa use red strobe lights and bull horns to goad Antifa into chasing phantom Nazis away from police and into tight alleys and other boxed shaped terrain where there numerical superiority, sticks, fireworks, and pepper spray don't matter so much.

Antifa are like any other coherent group of humans. They exhibit temporal and spatial patterns of behavior, basic operational habits, and so forth. Learn those patterns, and the numerically weaker party can determine where and when to hit the stronger force with devastating effect - right in its own backyard.

I could go on, but you get the point.









Blogger xavier September 06, 2020 10:56 AM  

So the lessons to retain
1) Don't get involved in riots unless they come to your house/business. Then you can defend yourself
2)If you have to defend your home business/home, go after the logistics tail with brutal thoroughness. Aka reduce the convoys to scrap metal and take out the drones.


xavier

Blogger Billy September 06, 2020 10:57 AM  

YouTube already pulled the video; think they’re protecting the commies from exposure? This is alarming. These logistics, tactics and equipment deserve more respect and this enemy needs to be ripped out by the roots.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 06, 2020 11:00 AM  

Not surprising. US vets think they're Rambo when in reality they've won their fights mostly due to air superiority and artillery barrages. Take away their logistics, numbers, and air support they are not much better than your average militia.

Blogger Shane Bradman September 06, 2020 11:06 AM  

Time to rebuild the Freikorps.

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 06, 2020 11:10 AM  

People are finally realising that guns are useless most of the time. A properly organised politically useful corp of street skirmishers is far better right now than yet another doofus with an ar 15 and full battle rattle.

Learn from our enemies. Apply the lessons.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 06, 2020 11:11 AM  

Black bloc tactics of using bystanders as shields is not something they came up with overnight though. You can't go "Full Israel" against hostiles using human shields unless you actually are Israel and have Congress full of dual citizens and cucks backing you up.
To summize, everything described is what some people I collaborate with, who have been reading after action reports on this kind of stuff since the WTO riots of 1999, would assume is going to happen.
This is why the people who practice and engage in ways of the gun know the limitations of it. The more you know how to use a gun, the more limited the gun appears. Proles don't know this. They see people get shot on TV with little pocket pistols and go flying through the air 20 feet. Then nice music plays and the guy gets the girl. They think guns are the end all be all solution device of instant death and destruction. This is why it's possible, for one person with a gun to march a plurality of people to an ATM machine,make them withdraw to the limit, then march them out to a field.
The government also makes use of this. They want people to be intimidated by the black clad cops with automatic weapons. Every time there is an incident like a mass shooting, they show Cops standing around in black body armor and big scary guns.
I have gotten into trouble at the airport in Milan because I dont automatically wilt and avert my eyes at the site if a guard with a machine gun. They don't scare me, but knowing the limitations of one, it's not going to automatically empower me either. When I'm asked about getting guns for home defense, I ask back "So what else do you plan on doing? Will you continue to leave your garage door open? Will you continue to leave windows unlocked?" A gun needs to be seen as an element of a plan, not merely having one as THE plan.
There is also the Baghdad principle in effect here. How did the mongols take Baghdad and other ancient cities known for being tough to crack? Simple. They killed EVERYBODY. When it was the west's turn, it was obvious: be ready to kill everybody or lose. That means you also have to kill the kids too. Not willing to do that? Don't go.
Same here. They use vehicles to block you? Be just as ready to destroy their vehicles as they would yours. Tossing rocks from crowds? Toss them back. They use drones? Jam them.
Don't want to hurt "innocent bystanders"? Don't want to damage private property? Don't want to upset the FCC? Or better yet:Don't want to violate the NAP? Well then don't fucking go.
I'm amazed that there are people on our side who still need to grasp this. Perhaps they are very new to this and still operating on tropes? And what kind of training is being referred to here? We used to make shooters run a gauntlet through live actors and belligerents on their way to the targets. Our asses were kicked before we got there. Are there people doing "Stand in a shooting lane and put holes in paper" thinking that's training? I was very lucky to share a private range with a former recon scout who was getting dropped into Afghanistan before it was popular, and the other guy was a former ranger who did IDF contracts and close in protection. The things we did were brutal. Sometimes I had to shoot after being choked out.
All of this training was free, BTW. If you go up against an enemy while not willing to do to them what they will do to you, you will lose. And everything I did in the past pertaining to guns was out of a need to do it. One trip to a public gun range in 1999 left me convinced that half of the "militia" is going to accidentally shoot the other half.

Blogger Ska_Boss September 06, 2020 11:12 AM  

Smoke grenades are good when you have to retreat from a crowd like that. But what were they doing there in the first place? Let Antifa burn down the urban areas they control and let the feds under the direction of Trump take out the trash if the state law enforcement can't or won't.

Blogger Robert What? September 06, 2020 11:16 AM  

I assume Soros backed groups are finding the mobs?

Blogger ar10308 September 06, 2020 11:16 AM  

It isn't surprising that people still attend in opposition to these folks expecting a fair fight. They will eventually wake up, though. As Vox has taught us multiple times, never engage on a battlefield the enemy has prepared and control over.

AntiFa relies on hive tactics coordinated by few central controllers. The obvious answer is to go after the central controller and the rest of the hive will turn to chaos. Using chaotic tactics to distract the hive will create an opening for a small group to quickly remove the controller from the battlefield.

Blogger Robert What? September 06, 2020 11:17 AM  

I assume Soros backed groups are funding the mobs?

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 11:18 AM  

This is why military forces used to simply fire volleys into the crowd. Settles 'em right down.

Blogger carnaby September 06, 2020 11:19 AM  

That article is comedy gold.

Guy: "Dude why didn't you help us?"

Cop: "Because then our car would be on fire and we'd be out running away beside you."

Eventually this nonsense is going to go badly for the rioters and has for a few. Probably what their handlers and the money men at the top have in mind. They're the ones who need to be found and dealt with.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 06, 2020 11:19 AM  

the self-reliant GenXers with their concealed 5-shot .357 revolvers
I always thought Gen-X tactical was acid washed jeans and cold war era AKs.
Basically Romania in the 80s or the movie Red Dawn.

Blogger Wazdakka September 06, 2020 11:20 AM  

I wonder if his friends still want to join the police?

Blogger tuberman September 06, 2020 11:27 AM  

These are great articles lately, tells what going one on the ground, shows their organization and what the decent people are up against, and how far the opposition is going.

Blogger Shimshon September 06, 2020 11:29 AM  

Antifa is clever. I don't know much, and perhaps I'm wrong, but when the battle has been joined for real by the opposing side, assuming that happens, Antifa will have a hard time of it. Even just focusing on the leadership, it sounds like an easily identifiable target rich environment. And it really does sound like one of those case where if you cut off enough heads, the beast will dissipate into disorganized mayhem.

Blogger Jack Ward September 06, 2020 11:31 AM  

When is Trump going to invoke the Insurrection act? He can have all the plans he wants, the election timing, etc. but, we have a situation not a theory.
These barbarians need to be put down hard, the leaders executed, the money supply dried up. NOW, dammit.

Blogger Jack Amok September 06, 2020 11:36 AM  

Funny you should mention a 5-shot .357... Anyway, that's for surprise encounters when you're shopping. Going to a riot? No. It's clear by now, if it wasn't before, that this isn't a bunch of morons doing this - they have a core or trained troublemakers. Whether it's the police, army units, or militia, step one is to decapitate their units.

Either midnight raids on where they're sleeping, or snipers targeting the leaders.

Blogger Tars Tarkas September 06, 2020 11:40 AM  

When one side is forced to fight by the rules and the other side breaks all the rules with impunity, it is unwinnable.

Better than 1/2 the crowd is women. The most organized factions are larping. It's easy and fun when nobody is really trying to stop you. When people start getting shot, they will all go home. It's all a big game. The second shit gets real, antifa will collapse. Nobody is forced to be there. Unlike a real war zone, everyone there is there by choice and can go home by choice at any time for any reason.

These guys were not afraid of the crowd. They were afraid of the law. Going there was incredibly stupid. What were they thinking? Did they actually delude themselves into believing they could go to a protest and they'd be OK because they had guns in a place they absolutely would not be able to use? A few worthless junkies and degenerates get shot and killed and 3 good men with wives and children end up in jail for months at best and for decades at worst. Their families are bankrupted with legal bills. This is about as 4th generation you can get.

Until a recognized "authority," that is, someone with purchase across the spectrum of the right wing says it's on, it's not on and everyone needs to stay far away from these riots. Until there is a full on hot war, you are walking into a boxing ring with your hands tied behind your back facing a fighter with rocks in his gloves and a switchblade and a gun and the ref only applying boxing ring rules to YOU.

Blogger MATT September 06, 2020 11:48 AM  

Youtube deleted the video, shocking

Blogger Jeroth September 06, 2020 11:51 AM  

For anyone else having trouble getting to that site, here is an archive. https://archive.is/jarg4

Blogger Hammerli 280 September 06, 2020 11:51 AM  

I'll admit that this whole mess has me reconsidering my loadout for the next few months. As in going to a Glock 19 with a pair of 17-round mags in reserve.

But this is a time for private citizens to follow Trump's example...let this keep bubbling until there is enough outcry to support the use of military force.

Kurt Schlichter's piece arguing against invoking the Insurrection Act made a fundamental mistake. He's still treating this as civil unrest. No. It's an organized rebellion, with the Communists providing the muscle, the Democrats providing legal and law enforcement cover.

It's going to take force, plenty of it, to quell. Trump would do very well to remember how Andrew Jackson dealt with the Crisis of 1828 - he pointedly said he would not hesitate to hang Jefferson Davis. Even if Davis was Jackson's son-in-law. And NOBODY questioned that Jackson would do it - of all out Presidents, he was the one stone-cold killer.

For private citizens at this point, we're on tactical defense at this moment. But be prepared. A street thug can be deterred by your J-frame revolver...the Communists will require more firepower.

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 11:57 AM  

What a bunch of idiots. Stay home and let the highly organized feral left burn their leftist cities down.

--AnonymousModerate

Blogger Geir Balderson September 06, 2020 12:00 PM  

Why do the police not use water cannons in Portland? Cut away a great swath of basement dwellers and their little plywood shields will not help them one bit. Perhaps, a few might drown.

And, it keeps the streets sparkling.

Blogger braq September 06, 2020 12:00 PM  

Link didn't work for me but it had been archived already at https://archive.fo/jarg4.

BLM/Antifa have a command structure, commo, equipment, tactics, and field leadership with years of practice in different theaters of operation worldwide. They also have mission objectives and rules of engagement for their operations (though very few of their foot-soldiers are explicitly aware of any of this). And of course they have complicit or cooperative politicians and prosecutors to bolster their activities under color of law, and full propaganda backing by the foreign-owned media.

The right has nothing, except a lot of guns and military experience.

There's no organized force taking the fight to the enemy - there's not even a clearly defined "enemy", nor a consensus of what action could or should be taken. Any attempts to organize result in immediate legal intervention, condemnation by media, loss of standing at work/banking/online presence.

We're still in Weimar territory, and there's no Hitler on the horizon. And despite its political and religious divisions at the time, Germany was 99% German in 1920, not a Balkanized amalgalm of various hyphenated "-Americans". Kurt Schlichter's dystopic novels are looking more prescient by the day.

Blogger Reziac September 06, 2020 12:00 PM  

Site appears to be suffering a DDoS. However, full page is here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200906092327/https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/09/antifa-reality-check/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 06, 2020 12:03 PM  

Conservative, Oblivious is thy name. I've recommended that right leaning people actually go onto Left leaning boards, especially the flakier versions and actually try and communicate to gain some insight into their mindsets, but instead the same old conservative dipsticks listen to same bunch of half wits spewing the same old useless talking points.

I would bet these guys are Hannitized Dittoheads and have the spiffiest ARs and the sweetest Glocks with aftermarket triggers for those all important splits. What good did all that crap do them when they marched off into a den of broken human beings, who have been wound up into a frenzy by completely evil people?

All this right wing fapping to the military and these guys have to find out the hard way on how not to gather intel.

Blogger FALPhil September 06, 2020 12:05 PM  

Lesson learned: Don't go in without overwatch and QRF on standby. Personally, I vote for sniper overwatch.

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 12:06 PM  

Sobering. Too bad the news media and fbi are unreliable, it sure would be nice to have some idea who is behind this. Oh and site down, that was fast. Maybe a vox link is a kiss or death?

Blogger Leahn Novash September 06, 2020 12:06 PM  

The link is broken. Not on your part. The article was taken down on the website.

Blogger Unknownsailor September 06, 2020 12:08 PM  

Be that as it may, the Antifa punks are stellar operators given the current ROE.

Antifa would, I think, find themselves outmatched if there street theater were to evolve into small unit tactics. Those same 4 people Antifa successfully swarmed this time could have been leading that mob into a well sited ambush.

Right wing groups thus far have not demonstrated a professional level of TTP when it comes to what are essentially raids into enemy territory when it comes to Portland. That has to change, and really fast. A Proud Boy was run over last night at a memorial gathering for the recently deceased member. Not in Portland, though, in Vancouver, WA.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa September 06, 2020 12:10 PM  

Patriots showed a complete disregard for the professionalism of Satan's foot-soldiers. Still, extremely glad they ran away to fight another day. Wondering how much longer the Churchians will take to see what's happening.

Blogger Joe Smith September 06, 2020 12:15 PM  

It's also worth noting that he specifically mentions how a lot of the people thinking to themselves, "I'd shoot in that situation," are fooling themselves. It's not even necessarily a matter of will. Shoot whom? The pretense that these are just LARPing white kids is going to do some damage before the normies figure out what's really going on out there.

Blogger #7139 September 06, 2020 12:18 PM  

A very interesting and eye opening account of what is happening in Portland.

Blogger Reziac September 06, 2020 12:18 PM  

Addendum: the embedded youtube video has been deleted and does not seem to be archived anywhere, but at this moment it is still in google's cache:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=1zX3wZowxMs

I couldn't get it to play, but you can kinda see what's going on if you view thumbnails via the slider bar. Maybe someone with better google-fu could download and archive it.

Blogger Crew September 06, 2020 12:20 PM  

While it is true that your enemy gets a vote, their enemy also gets a vote!

Blogger Christopher John September 06, 2020 12:25 PM  

While we laughed and called them LARPers, they trained.

Blogger Stilicho September 06, 2020 12:27 PM  

They went on a lark to an area controlled by the enemy with the active assistance of the local authorities. These niggers and commies are not a traditional mob, rather a controlled and directed mob with a cadre trained and equipped by chinese govt and others trained by various terrorist groups who travel with their own propaganda cadre, supplemented by lefist MSM as needed.

They are desperately trying to 1) manufacture and 2) sell a narrative.

I won't be surprised to see Brennan's fingerprints all over this as well. He isn"t the sharpest guy to ever head the CIA.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 06, 2020 12:28 PM  

Would something like custom fit swim goggles help?

https://themagic5.com/

They keep water out, so possibly protect against pepper spray. One of the options is tinted blue with a mirror finish, meant for swimming inside and out. It might not be too dark to see through at night. Would the mirror coating affect a strobe light?

Blogger rumpole5 September 06, 2020 12:34 PM  

"But what were they doing there in the first place?" -- Indeed! I couldn't understand that either.

Blogger Chip Hazard September 06, 2020 12:36 PM  

"Luger revolver"?

Do you mean Ruger? Luger is a automatic pistol.

Speaking of sidearms, I have learned that it's always good to have a backup of a backup and so on. Long arm, sidearm, back up sidearm, and ranged weapon. Depends on weight, where you're camping, if you're moving and how much you're willing and able to carry.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 06, 2020 12:37 PM  

It takes more than courage, bravery, and intelligence, you've got to have wisdom. That, they were seriously lacking.

It's instructive though, to see battlefield-experienced vets blunder into this. Of course it also means that a lot more of our guys are no doubt going to make seriously foolish errors before wising up.

Blogger Brick Hardslab September 06, 2020 12:39 PM  

If the media has been showing videos of the rioters being organized, violent and combative I haven't seen them. They go out of their way to make them look outraged and sincere.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer September 06, 2020 12:41 PM  

thanks for the dissemination of this intelligence. this gen x-er learned his lesson. BLM ralley at my red state was boring and one sided. Looking back, my larping was embarrassiny tactically amateur. Will not make same mistake. thanks.

Blogger Noah B. September 06, 2020 12:43 PM  

Direct confrontation is a bad tactic when dealing with a superior force. The play is to infiltrate and attack their logistics. There are lots of ways to do that.

Blogger Brick Hardslab September 06, 2020 12:43 PM  

Nope not without shooting. The odds of a cop shooting into a crowd are none. The odds of cops who aren't geared up and trained as riot police in a unit breaking it up are none.

Blogger tuberman September 06, 2020 12:44 PM  

Or you can simply chose the link above, then right click it, followed by selecting "Open in a new window." That will work. Just tried it, still works.

Blogger VD September 06, 2020 12:44 PM  

Imagine what might have been

On the other hand, they actually did something and took personal risks in confronting the enemy. You posted your very clever imaginings on a blog.

Blogger VD September 06, 2020 12:47 PM  

Trump would do very well to remember how Andrew Jackson dealt with the Crisis of 1828

That's why I say Trump is the best American President since Andrew Jackson. Jackson was a warrior. Trump is a negotiator.

Blogger Brick Hardslab September 06, 2020 12:54 PM  

You will not get the same chance to organize, train, and equip yourself like antifa does.

Feds will infiltrate your group. They will set you up and plant evidence. The media will put a spotlight on your life and to the cops you'll be someone they can take their frustrations out on.

Blogger braq September 06, 2020 12:55 PM  

The video of the events described is currently still up on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1294901716853198850

The comments from the blog entry are worth reading, and linked to an eerily accurate piece Matt Bracken wrote in 2012.

Blogger tuberman September 06, 2020 12:57 PM  

>> Wondering how much longer the Churchians will take to see what's happening.

All kinds of reasons why that will only happen if the rank-and-file who hate this crap leaves. Reasons way some won't:

*Mixed marriages
*Gay children (THIS ONE IS HUGE), or even children who are Marxist converters.
*They are actually far left themselves, and perhaps even want to preach (and get in on bribes, and corruption of innocence).

Any preachers or leaders who are Churchians have to be very comped. This has given Satanists tons of inverted parasite opportunities. The are gleeful in their destruction.

Blogger John Rockwell September 06, 2020 12:58 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:
There is also the Baghdad principle in effect here. How did the mongols take Baghdad and other ancient cities known for being tough to crack? Simple. They killed EVERYBODY. When it was the west's turn, it was obvious: be ready to kill everybody or lose. That means you also have to kill the kids too. Not willing to do that? Don't go.

Same here. They use vehicles to block you? Be just as ready to destroy their vehicles as they would yours. Tossing rocks from crowds? Toss them back. They use drones? Jam them.

Don't want to hurt "innocent bystanders"? Don't want to damage private property? Don't want to upset the FCC? Or better yet:Don't want to violate the NAP? Well then don't fucking go.

I'm amazed that there are people on our side who still need to grasp this. Perhaps they are very new to this and still operating on tropes? And what kind of training is being referred to here? We used to make shooters run a gauntlet through live actors and belligerents on their way to the targets. Our asses were kicked before we got there. Are there people doing "Stand in a shooting lane and put holes in paper" thinking that's training? I was very lucky to share a private range with a former recon scout who was getting dropped into Afghanistan before it was popular, and the other guy was a former ranger who did IDF contracts and close in protection. The things we did were brutal. Sometimes I had to shoot after being choked out.

All of this training was free, BTW. If you go up against an enemy while not willing to do to them what they will do to you, you will lose.


The Mongols were the most well organized Military of the Medieval World.

The reason they cracked Baghdad is because they already have Chinese Engineer Teams from China to build their siege equipment.

And had a lot of experience by this time of taking down Chinese fortifications.

As for Massacre. That only happened if an important officer or general died during the siege or if the siege was extremely costly in terms of lives. While Males that that aren't artisans,doctors or engineers are killed.

They usually took the rest of the city captive. Or if they surrendered they spared the city entirely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tVjMuKURxw

Blogger Gregory the Tall September 06, 2020 1:00 PM  

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tUWZoyDk5irB/
Another interesting analysis of the situation

Blogger pyrrhus September 06, 2020 1:02 PM  

Trump needs to get the combat military back in the US ASAP....This is a full fledged communist rebellion, and we shouldn't be relying on the police when the chips are down...

Blogger Gettimothy September 06, 2020 1:07 PM  

Very sobering, thanks for posting.

Antifa seem to be paid trained mercenaries used for regime change operations just like ISIS.


Ok, time to check assumptions...


What if they are the beachhead of an invasion force into CONUS via the cities?

From my reading, the (((commies))) would work to herd the countryside into the cites--this is what they did in Cambodia, iirc.

So, assuming the above two points are true, how do they intend to get us into the cities?

Also, at some point the plain fact that we patriots are going to have to go on offense will become self-evident to the FreeFor masses.

I am by no means a military sort of guy; a man's got to know his limitations. So,you military types, please chew up and spit out as appropriate.




Blogger Balkan Yankee September 06, 2020 1:12 PM  

@64: "On the other hand, they actually did something and took personal risks in confronting the enemy. You posted your very clever imaginings on a blog."

Going to Portland is out for me. I have a homestead to further harden and a neighborhood to defend in the event of a crisis. The more I cross of the list, the larger it grows.

So far, the urban trouble nearest me is concentrated about 11 miles away in the national capital.

Impending dates of concern on my calendar: September 11 for obvious reasons. The White House Siege starts on September 17. Two national prayer marches converge on DC on September 25 and 26.

Everyday I walk my neighborhood circuits, to see if anything in my baseline has shifted, make a few more friends, and so on.

As to my clever imaginings: Vox, you're the one who gets to carry the red strobe light. Because fleet of foot you are! And younger too.

Blogger Noah B. September 06, 2020 1:20 PM  

Effectively this was a probe, even if that wasn't their original intent. Gathering intel is exactly what probes are for and the injuries could have been a lot worse.

Blogger Leahn Novash September 06, 2020 1:23 PM  

@15 It's not that simple. There is a lot of logistics on their funding that shield people like Soros from any blame for their actions.

Blogger Crew September 06, 2020 1:23 PM  

Why Portland?

Perhaps they plan to assemble in DC on January 20.

Blogger Iron Spartan September 06, 2020 1:31 PM  

"If I were there I would XXXX"
You are delusional at best, a liar at worst. At best you would be in the same situation as these guys. More likely you would be hospitalized or dead.

On there home turf, Antifa face Zero legal consequences for their actions. They know you are not going to just open fire into the crowd, so they do not fear your guns.

They only thing you can do in that environment is confuse and amplify. Blend in. Set more fires, get the mob to attack random people. Get the handlers to lose control and the people at top to loose their sanction.

Identifying and removing the officers should be priority 1. But that takes time, training, effort and resources that usually law enforcement has, but is forbidden to use against Antifa in Portland. If a group was able to identify and locate an Antifa officer outside of the riot, you had better believe that the police will be providing them protection.

This is the reality of the situation. Sun Zu 101, know your enemy, know yourself.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 06, 2020 1:32 PM  

@15 The Masked Menace:

Antifa seem to be paid trained mercenaries used for regime change operations just like ISIS.

Low grade ISIS so far, and I've read at least one group of them/Black Bloc have been shuttled to various parts of Latin America as needed.

@35 carnaby:

Eventually this nonsense is going to go badly for the rioters and has for a few. Probably what their handlers and the money men at the top have in mind.

Well, yeah, evil white Nazis, even if they, for example, included some black cops or troops. Gunning down mostly peaceful protesters is right out of the Color Revolution playbook, and the '70s here.

Per one claim for the Ukrainian one, this will be arranged if the authorities aren't willing, and it's been posited here in prior discussions Trump and his people have run counter sniper ops when the White House was being attacked. Which our enemies have said they're start again on the 17th until the election.

In other words, be prepared for things to go completely crazy in the US today, next week, really, any time soon.

I also find it very interesting the destruction of NYC ended up being an acceptable cost for those at the top.

@40 Jack Ward:

When is Trump going to invoke the Insurrection act?

First sign will be sacking his Secretary of the DoD, and various generals below him who've made it very clear they'll refuse such an order, and will persecute any troops under them who follow such an order (for example, the low flying helicopter trick used in D.C.).

@47 Geir Balderson

Why do the police not use water cannons in Portland?

Because the entire state's policial system, from the governor on down, are on the side of Antifa? Even after the US Left hive mind has realized this is not doing Biden any good?

Perhaps we should take this as a sign their election plans do not include in any way a legitimate victory? One sign will be if they actually let Biden "debate" Trump.

@52. Unknown

Sobering. Too bad the news media and fbi are unreliable....

You're as slow as these "armed veterans", they're all on the same side. The media says they're "mostly peaceful protesters," even with raging fires in the background of local reports (well, that might be some monkey wrenching). The FBI knows how to take down such groups; instead, the first thing they did when this started was to "round up the ususal suspects" of people they painted as white supremicists or nationalists.

This is an insurrection that's mostly in the form of a Color Revolution. Which the Deep State way high up is making very clear is their plan for the election, unless "Biden wins by a landslide" on the night of the election.

Blogger Pathfinderlight September 06, 2020 1:35 PM  

If you are forced to defend your life or home, you have no choice but to immediately deal with the direct threat. Depending on state laws, this may be the only time you can legally use force. Expecting most people to handle this and remember high level strategy without both training and experience is unreasonable.

You better believe that Antifa has the political backing to pursue charges for destroying their equipment when they themselves are guilty of attacking you. That's what they're set up to do.

Wisconsin and Missouri have fairly robust personal defense doctrines in their law, so in that way, Rittenhouse and the McCloskeys are lucky.

Blogger Jack Amok September 06, 2020 2:00 PM  

On the other hand, they actually did something and took personal risks in confronting the enemy.

True, and tactically they did a good job extracting themselves. But they were kinda strategic idiots. Fortexian tactics aren't going to work against these goblins. Two of them were thinking of joining the Portland PD? That's brave, but not very bright. Points out that the challenge we have is too much State apparatus is keeping patriots like these guys from having competent leadership and organization. Some traitors at Homeland Security just doubled down on "White Supremacists" as the greatest threat. Appalling but predictable.

Trump, for all his successes, still needs to deal with this. There is an attempted coup/revolution in progress. Color revolution? Is Black taken yet?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction September 06, 2020 2:05 PM  

@62

I imagine so, the mirror finish helped when in situations where you couldn't help but face the sun (back stroke in an outdoor pool)

Blogger Avalanche September 06, 2020 2:13 PM  

@7 "Normal Americans, no matter their race, religion, or political stripe, have been pushed to their limit."

No, obviously they have not! The churchians and blind "normal" Americans are still trying to import more foreign burdens, and they're trying to sweet-talk and shovel money at blacks to get them to act like Whites {eye roll}, and dot-Indians to act like they SHARE our civilization, and to help LGBTQRXYZ 'feel safe' while they move in on our children, and happy to let insane foreigners sit in our political houses and work to destroy the U.S.

They don't even HAVE a limit! Most normal Americans don't know who Q is, don't know about the pedos, don't quite know who Gen Flynn is...

My lawn guy, a good White Southerner, came by, FURIOUS because up here in lily-White-ville Senators Cotton and Kelly-something, who just put up a bill to deny unemployment payments to rioters, came to speak and BLM showed up, shut her down, and chased them out of town... He was just spitting!

He said some lady he met had been telling him all this stuff that sounded crazy, and he told her he didn't know what to believe, but he knew who to ask. I told him I am dubious about the Wayfair "selling kids"... but Pedowood is a fer shure and Pizzagate is def real and then he asked for some stuff to read, which of course I provided. YAY!

We all need to work, carefully and selectively, on awakening folks around us. I'm a bit pleased about BLM "up here" cause it's good fuel to give my sleeping neighbors.

Blogger millie78 September 06, 2020 2:17 PM  

Yes. For better or worse, no one wants to be caught in a war zone, so troops fighting antifa in a US city is going to be received poorly by the citizens of that city, even if the troops could win quickly and decisively. The key to beating antifa is to put boots on the ground from 10 AM to 2 PM to round up known antifa and maintaining a siege on the perimeter of the city to contain violence. Going in hot after dark plays to their strengths. Going in cool during the day exploits their weakness. siege warfare tactics make the most sense (see the Paris revolution of 1848, e.g.) because antifa has no ability to produce anything but the most rudimentary of weapons. If the Portland power grid were shut down and all fuel centers prevented from receiving fuel shipments, and food deliveries stopped, antifa would be toast in a couple weeks. You could simply offer asylum to any citizen who rats out antifa members, and you'd get a target list pretty quick under siege conditions.

Basically, the strategy of this war is to shift the battles to a field where you can afford to make mistakes but your enemy can't. Right now, antifa can afford mistakes but cops and militias can't. If Portland were under siege, antifa couldn't afford any mistakes in their plan.

Blogger Avalanche September 06, 2020 2:23 PM  

@24 "Aka reduce the convoys to scrap metal"

Rewarding to see the Feds sweeping up the "food trucks" and "suppliers" who seem to ALSO be delivering shields and weapon materials...

That also means, Crew is once again missing it:
@18 "if President Trump will not deploy the military?"

Much better, much smarter! He's deploying Federal marshals -- and deputizing local police forces. *I* have huge trepidation about 'sending in the military" -- because, as is always true... What one 'side' does, legally or extra, the other side can then do again. Executive Orders? I'm semi-glad the obamination forced the loosening of legality so that the God Emperor CAN ... you know ... do things he sorta-really shouldn't.

I'd rather NOT break posse comitatus if we can do it differently. And, thanks to the obamination, the Federal 'forces' are madly armed up and outfitted. Remember the Feds buying up millions of rounds? Bet obamy SURE did not intend those rounds to be so useful to Trump!

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 2:24 PM  

braq wrote:The video of the events described is currently still up on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1294901716853198850

The comments from the blog entry are worth reading, and linked to an eerily accurate piece Matt Bracken wrote in 2012.


Thanks for the link, very informative read. I naively think the feds will never allow it to get to that point.

@insurrection act
The President could enact his trump card, the Insurrection Act (which is why I don't think we will see the hypothetical events Matt Bracken listed). He won't because he has to give antifa a written warning. Morally wrong? I think so. Politically strategic? YES.

10 U.S. Code § 254 - Proclamation to disperse
"Whenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time."

--AnonymousModerate

Blogger Avalanche September 06, 2020 2:24 PM  

@28 "organised politically useful corp of street skirmishers is far better right now than yet another doofus with an ar 15 and full battle rattle."

Bill Lind, 4GW.

Blogger doctrev September 06, 2020 2:30 PM  

hq.civiliandefenseforce.org

Sigh. Their heart's in the right place, but I have a feeling these guys are absolutely infiltrated by feds. Public recruitment? Feds coming. Cells larger than four to eight people? Feds coming. Digital presence? You can count on the government constantly gathering data on you. Why wouldn't they? If your group is about boosting personal morale, I actually understand, but just get a private WhatsApp group together, and definitely don't share incriminating details on them.

If the difficulty in organizing and purging traitors is visible even at the hyper-local level, imagine: how much harder must it be for the President? That's why he might not prioritize relatively minor items, and why he has to conserve LOYAL personnel for the most important fights.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos September 06, 2020 2:33 PM  

The plan to get us into the cities is to use the virus to shut down food production, and feed everyone on lab-grown and imported food. You’d have to grow your own, or move to the cities where the ration distribution points are.

Blogger JohnG September 06, 2020 2:36 PM  

Not surprising. ANTIFA has had time or organize and get their stuff together. They've got lefty mil vets and/or gov't help (maybe some of our gov't) now and plenty of bank. AQI (al Qaeda in Iraq) started off with sloppy road side bombs that we defeated with ghetto armor, and graduated to fairly sophisticated EFPs that would take out a Bradley AFV. This should have been nipped in the bud, the Feds have access to everything electronic, financial and Coms records. I'd like to know who's slow walking slews of indictments.

Blogger Lance E September 06, 2020 2:36 PM  

Just a thought, but maybe stay the hell out of Portland?

I don't understand why these groups keep insisting on counter-protesting or even showing up to areas that are fully controlled by the left, and Portland isn't just controlled, it's practically Antifa's home base. St. Kyle is a hero but he also chose his territory wisely.

What the leftists are doing is killing each other and destroying their own homes. Just let them do it. Trump has figured this out by now even with federal forces - send them too early and they'll get no welcome, no cooperation, no sympathy, no reward and no positive press coverage from diving face-first into one of these dumpster fires. He'll let it burn until the morons in charge finally cry out for help, then go in with overwhelming force. Playing vigilante is just interfering with an executive branch that actually does have the strategy and logistics to deal with it.

I guess I'm just another guy on the internet, but I'm a guy saying don't put your lives and reputation on the line for a city that is not your home and is fully occupied by enemy soldiers and collaborators. The risk/reward ratio is atrociously poor.

Blogger Ceirwyn September 06, 2020 2:37 PM  

Highly relevant:
Part 1 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1271999178407698432.html
Part 2 : https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1299207626991960064.html
Part 3: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1275572855699148801.html

T Wicktor's straw account is a great place to military analysis, like why Mattis had to go, and how the military will be tackling terrorist groups like the Middle East does. The long and short is, they will use a covert inverted pyramid structure for these operations with plain clothes "civilians" deciding and carrying out squad-appointed missions, just as the ME countries do. I suspect Kyle Ritterman was one of these.

Instead of the nation-war structure of generals commanding troops and calling the moves, the squads will be calling targets to attack at ground level, and the generals only ask questions and put together a big picture for the top. According to Carlos/Wicktor Saudi Arabia gave us this structure that they use in their own lands.

Blogger Stephen Davenport September 06, 2020 2:37 PM  

I would advise these people to stay away from Portland, its not worth the effort. Maybe some areas around the periphery but not Portland itself. There are better ways to support normal folks, even the Portland and Oregon governments are doing nothing about what's going on there.

Blogger v.soest September 06, 2020 2:54 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_3LDvWcbY

if this is where they're being lodged, the encampment should be burned down while they riot at night

Blogger Trid September 06, 2020 3:06 PM  

Hopefully they've headed that lesson in spades. Skulking around in an alley firing blindly into the crowd was really the only viable option.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 06, 2020 3:06 PM  

Antifa is the establishment their actions then can be used to delegitimize the establishment, 4gw.

Blogger Oswald September 06, 2020 3:08 PM  

I'm not sure why four guys thought they could take on a mob, much less a trained one. The odds were what 10, 20, 30+ to 1? You can only fight a fight like that on specially selected battlefields. Their training probably relied on them having overwhelming firepower vs any number of opponents. However, in a nonmilitary situation, they wouldn't have had air power or artillery to call on. Which is what you would do against such numbers if you couldn't retreat. Their opponents were much more prepared for a street fight. Numbers is everything on the street. Four guys is a number only good against 4 or less. If you doubt this, then consider what usually happens when a soccer team is forced to play one man down.

Blogger Badpainter September 06, 2020 3:09 PM  

Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. Good advice only if you have the will to act on the last bit. These three guys didn't. Lack of will on our part is Antifa's greatest asset.

Blogger Beardy Bear September 06, 2020 3:18 PM  

Martial law now.

Blogger Laconic September 06, 2020 3:18 PM  

And what if it is your home?? Or better yet where your family lives???

Blogger Newscaper312 September 06, 2020 3:27 PM  

If your plan relies on deterrence depending on the other side's perception of *your* willingness to risk breaking the law in firing your weapons... Sounds like a bluff too easily called.

Blogger kmbr September 06, 2020 3:29 PM  

@98 I had no idea Wicktor was still around. I used to love reading him on Twitter. Thanks for posting that.

Blogger RA September 06, 2020 3:35 PM  

The coup in plain sight. We're being set up for it.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-coming-coup/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bipartisan-washington-insiders-reveal-their-plan-chaos-if-trump-wins-election

Infiltration may approach Stasi-level, but that's no excuse for laying down and offering neck. Yes it's late for many in realizing the true peril, but at least we've been warned that we need to be smarter about our responses.

Blogger RA September 06, 2020 3:35 PM  

The coup in plain sight. We're being set up for it.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-coming-coup/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bipartisan-washington-insiders-reveal-their-plan-chaos-if-trump-wins-election

Infiltration may approach Stasi-level, but that's no excuse for laying down and offering neck. Yes it's late for many in realizing the true peril, but at least we've been warned that we need to be smarter about our responses.

Blogger Storm Rhode September 06, 2020 3:42 PM  

I think the problem is most normal Americans are quietly living their lives responsibly. Their greatest annoyance in life being the Covid mask mandates. I think this political fitful slumber will last until the election when all hell will break loose.

Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 3:46 PM  

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Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 3:49 PM  

@104
Antifa's greatest asset is that they have the financial support of the globalist establishment.

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 3:57 PM  

Ceirwyn wrote:Highly relevant:

Part 1 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1271999178407698432.html

Part 2 : https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1299207626991960064.html

Part 3: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1275572855699148801.html

T Wicktor's straw account is a great place to military analysis, like why Mattis had to go, and how the military will be tackling terrorist groups like the Middle East does. The long and short is, they will use a covert inverted pyramid structure for these operations with plain clothes "civilians" deciding and carrying out squad-appointed missions, just as the ME countries do. I suspect Kyle Ritterman was one of these.

Instead of the nation-war structure of generals commanding troops and calling the moves, the squads will be calling targets to attack at ground level, and the generals only ask questions and put together a big picture for the top. According to Carlos/Wicktor Saudi Arabia gave us this structure that they use in their own lands.


F'ing A.

We have a right wing President that has Tier 1 operators trained to hunt down terrorists. Just stay home. Be active in your community, take proactive countermeasures to avoid doxxing, work out hard, vote.

--AnonymousModerate

Blogger urthshu September 06, 2020 4:03 PM  

>>is there any credible opposition to these people to get involved with

Proud Boys, for all their faults, if you want to brawl. Their good in that they're going the non lethal route and they do inflict terror in antifas. If they had a few high power blue laser "snipers" at elevation shooting and scooting it'd be an interesting battle.

Blogger Cable Salad September 06, 2020 4:10 PM  

This could have easily become yet another case of „didn‘t defend himself“

Blogger Stryker4570 September 06, 2020 4:13 PM  

As a semi famous and now sainted blogger used to say,'Stay away from crowds.' Don't go 'sightseeing' in these areas. If this shit is not coming to your neighborhood or town, don't go looking for it. Meanwhile, plan, prepare, network, stockpile, and practice. If you have a gun and have not made an effort to train with it, it becomes only marginally better than a stick or a club. Find like minded veterans in your area with pertinent skills and listen to them, and if possible, train with them. Looks like the next 60 days or so will be eventful.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella September 06, 2020 4:13 PM  

Umm, I was in middle of one cities riot this summer, when I was asking for prayers. Not something I'd sought out. The people around me were poor blacks and poor Hispanics and even poor whites, and quite a few criminals with prison records. They were frightened of the rioters. They were appalled at what rioters had done to the city. Whatever this is, it is not done is solidarity with poor people of any color and not in solidarity with regular criminals. The people rioting are not regular criminals, and they are not helping the grievances or aspirations of POC, or poor people in general- of any age. Old, young, teenagers, homeless, illegal immigrants. I don't know who the rioters are, but they are definitely not the usual, known dregs of society.

And, one girl I worked with yesterday had a second riot on her phone from a video app, in town. She had watched it in real time. The rioters lined up. They were not local residents. They started rioting and breaking into buildings when someone called out a go signal. The riot was obviously coordinated. This girl is just 19, Hispanic, and not political. She had been terrified just watching the riot. She's planning on joining the police to contain things like this, going forward. So, it's not a hearts and minds campaign, whatever else it is not.

Blogger God Emperor Memes September 06, 2020 4:24 PM  

I wonder how Antifa would react if someone randomly shot a few of them each night, from a distance?

Blogger 7916 September 06, 2020 4:24 PM  

Fighting on the opponents chosen ground, outnumbered, with badly chosen equipment and an unwillingness to use said equipment for fear of the law, using 2GW tactics, against opponents with nothing to lose and no fear of arrest or injury and far better mobility.

FTL right there.

Stay out of the blue zones. The time is not yet.

Blogger Ceasar September 06, 2020 4:31 PM  

There is a reason you don't have all your forces grouped so close together. Hopefully, no Patriot decides to show why.

Blogger RA September 06, 2020 4:35 PM  

If you aren't brawl worthy, don't go where the brawls are. They're trained, you're not, simple as that. Tactics of countering them are not for the untrained or the faint of heart. But don't lose hope, you can find some other way to contribute. Just maybe you have a skill or two that can help. All politics are ultimately local. So are your neighbors.

Blogger Cable Salad September 06, 2020 4:47 PM  

I grew up in Romania in the 80ies. Nobody there had an AK, let alone jeans and if they did, they‘d probably swapped both for food.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 06, 2020 4:56 PM  

@89 Avalanche

@7 "Normal Americans, no matter their race, religion, or political stripe, have been pushed to their limit."

No, obviously they have not! The churchians and blind "normal" Americans are still trying to import more foreign burdens....


They're still asleep, still following the post-WWII moral landscape the Left created, what will wake them up? It's not like the media is detailing "And here are today's headlines on the Left's coup in progress." Their first real sign of trouble might happen when they show up to vote and find their polling place closed, due to Doemocrat poll workers refusing to show up, citing COVID-19 dangers, which we all know are particularly acute in Republican areas.

That link's a good one on possible lower level tactics that compliments the superb Michael Anton piece @109 RA mentioned, Anton being the author of "The Flight 93 Election" column in 2016, and has a book out just this week, The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return.

@95 NewTunesForOldLogos

The plan to get us into the cities is to use the virus to shut down food production, and feed everyone on lab-grown and imported food. You’d have to grow your own, or move to the cities where the ration distribution points are.

That's a "plan" to kill most of the people in the US, there's only so much food to go around, and we export tremendous amounts of it. It would also be an existential risk to the Left in the US, all but the ones at the top would starve when they could no longer pay for imported food. It would also be ... interesting to seem them try it, especially with the pandemic basically under control.

@97 Lance E

Just a thought, but maybe stay the hell out of Portland?

Best comment to the original blog posting, from a "Swrichmon":

Is there some reason you guys want to go toe to toe with these Antifa, on their terms? Asking for a friend.

And you continue:

I don't understand why these groups keep insisting on counter-protesting or even showing up to areas that are fully controlled by the left, and Portland isn't just controlled, it's practically Antifa's home base. St. Kyle is a hero but he also chose his territory wisely.

What the leftists are doing is killing each other and destroying their own homes. Just let them do it. Trump has figured this out by now even with federal forces - send them too early and they'll get no welcome, no cooperation, no sympathy, no reward and no positive press coverage from diving face-first into one of these dumpster fires. He'll let it burn until the morons in charge finally cry out for help, then go in with overwhelming force....


It's not quite that simple when it comes to places like Portland, with its Federal courthouse. That's a quasi-Fort Sumter situation, if the Federal government were to let that sympol and instrumentality of its power fall. But Trump did wait to go beyond just defending it. Note the trial run a while ago that was made against the Portland ICE office.

Another thought: the same federal paramilitary forces and tactics are going to be needed starting on the 17th in D.C., so there will be less to go around for the rest of the country, unless Trump strikes high for a change.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 06, 2020 5:11 PM  

I'm not sure why four guys thought they could take on a mob, much less a trained one.

He explained why: they didn't know what the enemy was like. They probably expected some TV-type slogan shouting, maybe some pushing and shoving, or two lines of people throwing things at each other across a street like dodge ball with rocks. Four tough guys can do pretty well in that environment where everyone is observing the same limits. They didn't expect a literal slavering mob trying to hurt and perhaps kill them in an organized way that couldn't be blamed on any individual.

Similar tactics were reported from Berkeley and Charlottesville in 2017, though they may have gotten more organized and better at it. Word is slow getting around, I guess.

Blogger xevious2030 September 06, 2020 5:47 PM  

"I don't know who the rioters are, but they are definitely not the usual"

Revolutions are not organic, they are contrived. No creators, Venezuela. Creators, Ukraine.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 06, 2020 5:54 PM  

Let's face it, these guys were just riot sightseeing. They were curious, and unwary. And possibly a bit overconfident due to their military background, and their sidearms.

Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 6:22 PM  

What is the strategic objective here? What tactics and resources will accomplish that objective. And is it worth the cost? If you're not asking those types of questions you shouldn't be there.

Can someone tell me what strategic value Portland has?

Blogger The Masked Menace September 06, 2020 6:29 PM  

@119 "...I wonder how Antifa would react if someone randomly shot a few of them each night, from a distance?"


What difference would it make? Antifa are minions. They're paid cannon fodder.

Focus instead on the organizers/funders. One of them falls and the world would tremble.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 06, 2020 6:50 PM  

Spend a day on MAGA Twitter and it is full of Gen Xers & Boomers crowing about the noodle armed soy boys.
It's insane.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 06, 2020 6:54 PM  

Not even gonna lie, my go to purse gun is a .357. Vox pegged this Gen Xer to a t. I'm smart enough to stay as far away from these people as I can get, however. I haven't been in a major city in 5 yrs and have no future plans to do so. They'll have to come to me as they will, at some point, if this isn't crushed soon.

Blogger Akulkis September 06, 2020 7:13 PM  

"and then tell me that he was going to find where I live, rape my mother, rape my children in front of me and then kill me."

They want you dead, and to rape your wife and children. And they
think it's funny

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 06, 2020 7:24 PM  

"And what if it is your home?? Or better yet where your family lives???"

Then you're screwed either way. There was a lot of time to find ways to avoid that situation, however now that you're there, don't sell yourself cheap. Don't expect anyone else to come running to bail you out, they've been warning you for years.

"Can someone tell me what strategic value Portland has?"

Beyond being a figurehead/rallying point and traditional seat of regional (state) government? Uhh....

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=why+was+portland+founded&ia=web

Major river access, regional electrical power generation, general heavy manufacturing. The third is tied heavily to the first, but the second could go away pretty fast.

Blogger RedJack September 06, 2020 7:52 PM  

One of the problems a lot of former Doorkickers have with things like is they are used to massive amounts of backup.

All that goes out the window when it is four guys against a riot.

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 7:55 PM  

The Masked Menace wrote:What is the strategic objective here? What tactics and resources will accomplish that objective. And is it worth the cost? If you're not asking those types of questions you shouldn't be there.

Can someone tell me what strategic value Portland has?


Testing the waters. It's similar to what they did in Inauguration Day years ago. See what they can get away with. I'm afraid tactics will escalate (i.e. snipers and deploying chlorine gas) and the feds will respond in kind.

Outside of these riots I think we'll see one high profile assassination by the end of the year. Gather up supplies fam, we're in for some interesting times in the next couple of months.

--AnonymousModerate

Blogger nswhorse September 06, 2020 8:28 PM  

Trump: LAW AND ORDER
Q: Trust the plan and fight the information war.

They clearly don't want the right out in the streets opposing Antifa/BLM directly with force. Assuming we actually trust Team Trump/Team Q, it is not the time to fight fire with fire. Though of course we must support those like King Kyle who do make that choice. Which Trump did and a lot of useless cuckservatives did not.

Blogger Primus Pilus September 06, 2020 8:28 PM  

Meanwhile, DHS has never heard of these antifa fellows, and is working on declaring "white supremacists" the greatest threat to the US.

Hope Trump manages to bring them into line.

Blogger D. September 06, 2020 9:17 PM  

>"Can someone tell me what strategic value Portland has?"<

None once the feds shut down the ocean, the river and the highways.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 06, 2020 9:26 PM  

@135. Unknown

... I'm afraid tactics will escalate (i.e. snipers and deploying chlorine gas)....

Already there for the latter, Four men now sentenced for injuring Arvada officer with a chlorine bomb, subtitle "The officer suffered serious heart damage and spent months going to medical appointments and missing work. He continues to suffer the effects of the chlorine gas."

Denver being Denver, they got wrist slaps except for pleading to a felony, two got "probation for two years, with 60 days in the jail’s Alternative Sentencing Program, which includes jail work release and in-home detention." One got the same except for only 30 days in that program, and one "was granted a two-year deferred judgement and sentence."

From everything I've read, gas is iffy when used on a tiny scale like these guys:

"The defendants had “built” the hazard, with street signs pulled out of the ground, to make a target for their plastic bottle chlorine bombs. When the officer began removing the hazard, the men yelled obscenities and hurled the bomb, the release said.

"The bottle hit the ground near the officer, releasing a cloud of chlorine gas. The officer coughed, became nauseous and lost consciousness, falling to the ground. He was taken to a local hospital."

Blogger Unknown September 06, 2020 10:24 PM  

I have a 15 acre paintball range. Infiltrate away. It is a great way to work on tactics. After all.. it is just a game.

Blogger Heterodox September 07, 2020 12:40 AM  

Yeah, shoot preemptively, and get sent to prison for a hundred years by a commie DA and jury. Sounds like a plan.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 07, 2020 7:15 AM  

"Yeah, shoot preemptively, and get sent to prison for a hundred years by a commie DA and jury. Sounds like a plan."

Fraudulent "law" is only relevant so long as it is permitted to operate.

Blogger Avalanche September 07, 2020 8:42 AM  

@128 "Can someone tell me what strategic value Portland has?"


4GW -- tremendous symbolic value. To both sides: them showing how violent and vicious they are willing to get; to us -- what WAS a lovely city with nice folks and a (stupid) sweetness about it needs rescue.

Blogger Maniac September 07, 2020 9:48 AM  

"Do you mean Ruger? Luger is a automatic pistol."

Thanks for the correction. Keep getting them mixed up.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 07, 2020 11:11 AM  

@64 Chip Hazard:

"Luger revolver"?

Do you mean Ruger? Luger is a automatic pistol.


That said, Taurus for example will sell good for concealment revolvers that hold 5 .380 ACP and 9mm Luger/Parabellum rounds using full moon clips. See the link, they first got big during WWI, when we couldn't manufacture enough of the new M1911 semi-auto for the war effort, so S&W came up with the M1917 revolver chambering 6 .45 ACP rounds.

My father who's a 9mm ecosystem guy bought one or two of the Taurus 9mm models and was quite pleased with them.

Blogger DourCdn September 07, 2020 1:33 PM  

Always cut the beast off at the head. A lesson from the hero Perseus we should never forget.

Blogger Crew September 07, 2020 2:03 PM  

Some people think President Trump has it all under control. I hope so.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1302917969568239617.html

Blogger Wolf_88 September 07, 2020 4:08 PM  

I remember the video of those 4 dudes getting chased and bullied, sorry to say but what a bunch of idiots, i don't care if they are ex military. Alot of people already said, at this stage to go after antifa you need street fighters, not militia larpers standing there with their rifles, they are useless, they get bullied, what you need is big groups of well-organized geared up proud boys ready and willing to duke it out, they fuck shit up every time they go to Portland, that's what you need.

Blogger mathew September 08, 2020 7:07 AM  

Standard military experience doesn't necessarily translate to modern, 1st-World urban environments. BOPE, the Brazilian special forces cops, would probably provide a better background for this kind of thing.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 08, 2020 11:11 AM  

Heterodox wrote:Yeah, shoot preemptively, and get sent to prison for a hundred years by a commie DA and jury. Sounds like a plan.
If you're going to go shoot somebody, shoot the DA. He's a far more important enemy. That would be illegal, so of course no one here is going to do such a thing.

Blogger Arizona September 09, 2020 6:21 PM  

The job of the infantry is to find the enemy then call in the artillery or air assets. If you don't have those things or even a plan then don't go.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 10, 2020 9:06 AM  

@151 Arizona:

The job of the infantry is to find the enemy then call in the artillery or air assets.

Or to take cities you don't want to outright destroy. With for example the support of tanks, if the defenders are worth anything.

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