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Monday, September 07, 2020

The serpent lurks

The conservative establishment's favorite lunatic drug addict is at it again and now he's explaining the existence of evil:

Why the Serpent Lurks Eternally in the Garden

The following is from a draft of 

Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life

The presence of the serpent in the garden also signifies something even deeper: the impossibility of the order suitable for human beings existing without some admixture of chaos. There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality and make everything permanently predictable and safe within it. Some of the reality that has been so carefully excluded will always sneak back in. A snake will therefore inevitably appear, no matter what care is taken. Even the most assiduous of modern parents will not be able to protect their children from internet porn, drugs, or alcohol, even if they lock them in the basement (in which case they only end up exposing them to the snakes they harbor within themselves). We might have learned such things by watching the great, degenerate totalitarian utopias of the 20th century. Leaders and citizens alike attempted, with ever-increasing desperation, to force everything that existed into a defined, comprehensible and too-perfect order. That merely ensured that chaos burst forth without reserve into their souls, and then into their societies.   

You see, you have to give into the chaos if you want not-too-perfect order. That's why smoking meth is the best way to avoid becoming a drug addict. No one has thought this thought before while not-smoking not-meth.

Take your pills!

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91 Comments:

Blogger Balkan Yankee September 07, 2020 2:23 PM  

12 More Notes to Self.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is that you don't know you're in Dunning-Kruger Club ) September 07, 2020 2:36 PM  

"and make everything permanently predictable and safe within it."

wat?

what a bizarre mischaracterization.

if God had WANTED a Creation which was "perfectly predictable" and SAFE He would never have created the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and placed it in the Garden.

it wasn't the Serpent who introduced the danger, it was God.

therefore, according to Peterson's logic, God should be all of the Chaos which we need in our lives.

Blogger Rakshasa September 07, 2020 2:39 PM  

Can we assume that you'll be writing a second book?

If not I fear many might end up reengaging with this guy's theories.

Blogger The Masked Menace September 07, 2020 2:42 PM  

Whisper, whisper, whisper... The man is Grima Wormtongue. He even looks like the movie character. He says things backward. Get this demon out of my head!

We live in a fallen world in which chaos is omnipresent. What I desperately seek is even the slightest semblance of order.

Blogger Hoyabembe September 07, 2020 2:43 PM  

I think Fauci will end up being shown to be Jordan's lunatic equal in the next few months. So Jordan will have a friend.

Blogger Maorio September 07, 2020 2:44 PM  

first of all, thank you so much for the Jordanetics book.

This just becomes more and more satanical by the minute

"There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality"

wtf?

Blogger Olga September 07, 2020 2:45 PM  

"Even the most assiduous of modern parents will not be able to protect their children from internet porn, drugs, or alcohol, even if they lock them in the basement (in which case they only end up exposing them to the snakes they harbor within themselves)."
Is this an admission to something?

Blogger Olga September 07, 2020 2:47 PM  

"There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality and make everything permanently predictable and safe within it."
JP, you serve the wrong god.

Anonymous Anonymous September 07, 2020 2:50 PM  

Does this mean JP is finally fully possessed? Can he contort?

Blogger Gregory the Tall September 07, 2020 2:52 PM  

He avoids terms like good vs. evil or virtue vs. sin replacing them with order vs. chaos. Also he stipulates a greater reality than the one God made which tends to "sneak" into God's creation. The entity that made this greater reality can sometimes be sensed hovering over Siberia, however it will show itself fully only to those on a benzodiazepine weaning therapy.

Blogger ex-pastor September 07, 2020 2:53 PM  

“Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgement.” (James 3.1)
He, mired in sin as he is, cannot conceive of a sinless state and so teaches it cannot be real.

Blogger urthshu September 07, 2020 2:57 PM  

Huh. I thought more people hallucinated bugs while they were going through withdrawal.

Blogger Mauldication Bear September 07, 2020 2:59 PM  

Speak for yourself, JP. And stay away from my kids.

It's definitely not meth...

Blogger weka September 07, 2020 3:00 PM  

Jungian standard speculation, just like his master Carl, that Swiss shabbas goy.

Blogger doctrev September 07, 2020 3:01 PM  

Jordan Peterson thinks that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were defined by order in their legal processes, instead of insane and arbitrary capriciousness? I can't decide what's worse, his grasp of history or religion. But then, meth is a weird drug.

Blogger urthshu September 07, 2020 3:01 PM  

>>"There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality"

>>wtf?

He doesn't believe Heaven or any religion's paradise exists.

Blogger Laughingdog September 07, 2020 3:02 PM  

I doubt Fauci is a lunatic. It seems more likely that he's just your garden variety political whore.

Blogger NP_see September 07, 2020 3:06 PM  

He really is a nut-bar.

Blogger [Redacted] September 07, 2020 3:07 PM  

Now: "Why the Serpent Lurks eternally in the Garden."
Soon: "Eternally: Why the Garden lurks in the Serpent."
Later: "Lurks, Serpents, Gardens, In the Eternity of Why."

Canadian Gematria, powered by meth.

Blogger MaskettaMan September 07, 2020 3:09 PM  

Assiduous parents can protect their children from porn, drugs, alcohol, and the snakes within themselves. Sorry JP, your argument was actually quite easy to grab hold of and defeat.

Blogger AttemptingChristian September 07, 2020 3:14 PM  

If what you believe to be true about God cannot be found in a bible then you're probably a few too many hits in on the crack pipe...

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 07, 2020 3:20 PM  

Any time you read something about the union of opposites being the path to enlightenment or wholeness, understand that it comes from Satan.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 07, 2020 3:20 PM  

If I were better educated, I might know the name of the heresy that says that God *can't* create perfection, but I'm sure it is one.

"even if they lock them in the basement (in which case they only end up exposing them to the snakes they harbor within themselves)."

Ah yes, the "homeschoolers probably do it to hide their abuse" slander, along with the "you can't protect your kids perfectly (so don't try)" excuse. Why are conservatives supposed to like this guy again?

Blogger ToTheRightRon September 07, 2020 3:23 PM  

God is Holy and perfect according to His Word. Chaos and entropy can be vanquished by his command.

“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”

Christians should shun and reject Peterson for teaching the doctrines of devils.




Blogger Yossarian September 07, 2020 3:24 PM  

"Even the most assiduous of modern parents will not be able to protect their children from internet porn, drugs, or alcohol"

Jordan admitted to being addicted to alcohol in his 20s and 30s.
Jordan also admitted to developing a drug habit that is definitely not meth.

Jordan?... what's in your internet search history, Jordan?
Oh, Jordan...

Blogger Dan in Georgia September 07, 2020 3:27 PM  

“Listen to me and your kids can grow up to be just like mine!”

Um, no.

Blogger Dan in Georgia September 07, 2020 3:31 PM  

Fauci may be even more evil than Bill Gates. Goes all the way back to Bilderbergs with Bill Gates Sr.

Blogger PewienBear(Mac) September 07, 2020 3:36 PM  

Life is suffering, why not to make it more dramatic. - thought one lunatic.

Blogger d September 07, 2020 3:40 PM  

Nothing squeals Man of Reason quite like declaring your assessment of God's limitations.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is that you don't know you're in Dunning-Kruger Club ) September 07, 2020 3:43 PM  

considering that God is the judge of all, and that He characterizes Himself as "jealous" and "wrathful" and "vengeful"
...
it is God who is ( logically should be ) Jordan's Chaos and Danger.

Blogger Crew September 07, 2020 3:43 PM  

On 9/2 Q released a number posts that lists a number of Republican and Democrat law makers and judges.

I know what evil is and those people are:

https://www.qanon.pub/

Blogger Oswald September 07, 2020 3:48 PM  

He is a fool.

Blogger VD September 07, 2020 3:51 PM  

Can we assume that you'll be writing a second book?

Definitely not. People have been sufficiently warned. If they still want to listen, they're idiots and that's on them.

Blogger Unknown September 07, 2020 3:54 PM  

"There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality..."

It would be difficult to come-up with something quite as non-Scriptural as this, yet Jordan was *just getting started* from this ludicrous position. It went down-doo-bee-doo-down-down from there.

I almost feel sorry for the guy. Meth is a Hell of a drug.

Blogger Argus Bacchus September 07, 2020 3:58 PM  

Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life

Introduction: Grandma's still the hottest!

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is that you don't know you're in Dunning-Kruger Club ) September 07, 2020 4:00 PM  

of course, the Bible makes this point far more succinctly than all my blathering:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+9%3A10&version=KJV

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica September 07, 2020 4:27 PM  

This is borne of the assumption that because many degenerates hide their degeneracy behind a mask of fake virtue, that ALL people who act virtuous are secretly degenerates trying to hide it. It also goes back to the idea of the Jungian "shadow self"; that everyone has an evil side and denying that it exists only makes it stronger. It's one thing to recognize that, in a fallen world, natural instincts exist and may pull us toward being lazy and lustful if we don't actively try to be the opposite; it's another thing to say "evil is a part of our nature, so we might as well indulge it since it's going to get the better of us anyway."

Anonymous Anonymous September 07, 2020 4:38 PM  

Now ifn the serpent lurked like a frightened boomer in the garden of readers then all'd be kinda well.

But he can't stop hisself from saying his stupid opinion.

Again.

My daddy used to say that he who knows very little will soon repeat it.

Did I mention that before?

Blogger Fox Bear September 07, 2020 4:46 PM  

Rules:
1. Slam low IQ SJWs on YouTube
2. Slam low IQ teleprompter readers on TV
3. State the obvious with linguistic gobbledygook infused with your warped sensibilities regarding morality/reality on drug addled midgets podcast
4. Make 3 into a book
5. Get rich, wear silk suits, and go on tour with a libertarian homosexual
6. Feel overwhelemed with guilt knowing your fraudelent advice has not even helped yourself
7. Do meth
8. Do more meth
9. Keep trying meth even though its not getting you anywhere
10. Detox
11. Write another book to afford meth again
12. METH!

Blogger mike September 07, 2020 4:51 PM  

Is he saying that stalin and hitler created blm? Or that blm is doing gods work same a satan. Bc if satan is necessary then as well might be pedophiles. Its like saying cant have good without evil, not in this world. But seems like he goes beyond it and tries to condition cucks to support evil moar

Blogger Doom September 07, 2020 4:54 PM  

I read from a man with no faith. When through heaven, then back to flesh and the new earth, yes, chaos will be totally defeated. It has to be put up with here, but through our flaws, our most grievous flaws, and at great personal costs. I thank God that God doesn't listen to... abide... idjits. The temptation of the stupid is powerful in fallen, broken, men. Men... to include women in this case... though not as equals. Blah.

I don't even think it will be boring. Imagine being able to honestly study the universe and all, create rightly, talk about anything... rightly... until it is sorted or fully understood. Time, hunger(s), even death, not being issues.

I have heard that the new man will be unarmed. Not so those who are graced to end up in heaven, then from there. They will be armed with the will of God, once perfected. More potent than nukes, even whole universes. If only ever rightly used. Amen.

Blogger Yossarian September 07, 2020 5:00 PM  

"Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life"

This title is far better than his initial one: "12 Recipes for Meth"

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli September 07, 2020 5:10 PM  

What an idiot. This is sophomoric.

Blogger SacrificialLamb September 07, 2020 5:18 PM  

The druggie, Jordan Peterson, keeps bringing up "order" and "chaos". That sounds suspiciously like Luciferian and Freemason wankery. And JP tries to inform us unenlightened plebes on what God CANNOT do? Vox was right. JP really is a charlatan, and it's a safe bet that he also took the Luciferian "golden ticket".

Blogger IreneAthena September 07, 2020 5:19 PM  

Maybe someone here---who has spent more time walking the Vox-Day-illumined path away from Peterson than I---knows the name of the Christian theologian who refuted the claim that God can't keep chaos out. (Apparently Jordan Peterson never even heard of the guy.) The question was asked, how can we know that God can keep evil out of Heaven, since He wasn't able to keep Lucifer from turning into Satan? The theologian's reply was: every citizen of Heaven, from the aborted fetus to anyone born into this chaotic sin-wrecked world, will have personally been harmed by the effects of evil, brought into the world by Lucifer's rebellion against God. Enlightened victims of that rebellion will be unlikely to repeat it. The chaos allowed to exist under the Prince of the Power of the Air in THIS world is, if not a guarantee against, at least a very strong deterrent for rebellion and chaos in the NEXT. That's all I remember of that theologian's answer.

Even if there WERE to be rebellions in the Heaven of the future, God could handle it in the same way He handled Satan's past rebellion.

What's going on in Genesis with God's Spirit moving over the surface of the waters, in a "formless and void" world? Was that chaos, that void, the debris left after a destroyed fallen angelic civilization?

So no, Jordan Peterson, chaos isn't a challenge or obstacle to God. It's just raw material for Him (for Him, for HIM--triple underlined-- sometimes with our cooperation) to make something new. Walking humbly with our God means we choose HIM and His way, rather than chaos, with every step, with every choice to make. I sure am glad for God's mercy, for Jesus' never letting go, even when I took many a wrong turn in ignorance, and sometimes even in rebellion.

Blogger Reader September 07, 2020 5:22 PM  

That Canadian fruitcake is past its sell-by date.

Blogger John Atria September 07, 2020 5:23 PM  

I've noticed that Peterson and his ilk love to decry helicopter parenting as stunting kids growth. Of course, you can molly-coddle your kids and never let them fail, but that's not what Peterson's about. Peterson's thinking is that since the world contains evil, we should gradually expose kids to this evil since they're going to experience it anyway and won't be shocked when they finally discover it. Not unlike child grooming, really. Either Peterson doesn't realize or doesn't care that because of modern communications and transportation it is much harder for communities to keep out influences that had a much harder time getting in during the past because of geographical distance. Judging by his daughter, he doesn't have much room to criticize overprotective parents.

Blogger Steve Canyon September 07, 2020 5:29 PM  

12 more notes? The count hit 666 yet?

Blogger R Webfoot September 07, 2020 5:36 PM  

Earth to Jordan... evil comes from the INSIDE. "Looking inside yourself and following your evolutionarily selected instincts" is not what it means to follow God.

We're partly selected to get along with each other, and partly selected to be Genghis Khan.

Blogger sammibandit September 07, 2020 6:17 PM  

Definitely not meth, or PCP angel dust.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 07, 2020 6:29 PM  

I was just thinking my brain needed a dose of bafflegarble so as not to atrophy from its ability to filter it.

Blogger A trite re-white September 07, 2020 6:48 PM  

But..but...but didn't he clean his room... Come to think of it,.don't meth head insessently clean? Now he's done to much and he sees serpents... Haa haaa poor boy.

Blogger nswhorse September 07, 2020 7:30 PM  

Peterstein is still a thing? I haven't seen anything from him in ages. Figured the not-meth had permanently disabeld him. Pity.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer September 07, 2020 7:54 PM  

the garden of eden story explains female hypergamy.

"Look grandson. Nothing is ever good enough. Nothing. And trying to satisfy them will only destroy you."

This lesson is more relevant today than ever.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam September 07, 2020 8:33 PM  

So the order of meth has convened! Thou shall not engage in meth if you want chaos in your house. But if you want peace, crank up the dial to 11 and enjoy the show.

Blogger travvyboy September 07, 2020 8:41 PM  

Oh God has he learned nothing? He needs to just shut up and enjoy his millions before he has another break down and does not meth. The guilt of stopping white men going right wing eats him up because he knows that energy was going to benefit Europeans.

Blogger travvyboy September 07, 2020 8:42 PM  

This is literally Jordan trying to absolve himself of guilt from the fact that his daughter is an egirl.

Blogger Dole September 07, 2020 9:12 PM  

Peterson made the same talk about chaos ages ago. Seems that he is rehashing old material, now written on meth.

And I bet, it's intended to describe the chaos in his mind while espousing his agenda. How conservatives have fallen for the tricks of the pill popper is an abomination.

Blogger Fozzy Bear September 07, 2020 9:40 PM  

The Peterson factoid that seems to resonate most with his buckos, is that he dragged his dying wife around the US in a breaking bad Winnebago, because according to him that’s the only possible way to find a steak south of the Canadian border.
None of them have read Maps of Meaning, none of them have read his articles in the University of Alberta Gateway. If they had they might recognize his insanity and mediocrity. Thank you again VD, for cutting through the word salad and referring us to his writing.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 07, 2020 9:52 PM  

One of my favorite things Vox has ever done, was to rid some folks of their daddy fetish with Dr. Jordy Xanax.

Blogger tublecane September 07, 2020 10:27 PM  

Ya know what? Eve could have just not tasted the fruit. Then your perfect order persists. Easy-peasy.

Blogger Daniel September 07, 2020 11:04 PM  

His bitter obsession with the totalitarian utopías is very likely envy.

He has to settle for scribbling cult spellbooks like Aleister Crowley, when what he was going for was L. Ron Hubbard.

Blogger Glacierman September 07, 2020 11:30 PM  

Not meaning to be pedantric or anything, but i wonder if Jordan realizes that Lucifer was thrown to the earth from heaven and was there in a bodily form which was probably much like Adam and Eve's.

No doubt they knew each other and had many interactions with each other, were even friends.

They did not recognize the evil within Lucifer as they were not yet fallen because of their rebellion. They were innocent and
pure like the driven snow.

Lucifer was changed to the serpent with the declaration and curse spoken by God for deceiviing Adam and Eve into choosing his word over God's word.

Peterson has no Spirit to guide him into truth.

As said before, Peterson has in likelihood been given the Luciferian golden ticket to deceive and destroy.

Blogger Long Live The West September 07, 2020 11:47 PM  

"There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality and make everything permanently predictable and safe within it."

What a load of garbage. He purposely obscures why evil is allowed to exist in the first place. God wanted children who could love Him, not mindless drones.

Love is, by definition, a choice. Not a preprogrammed response.

Blogger wreckage September 07, 2020 11:56 PM  

He's running with the idea that order must be simple and freedom must be chaos. Despite the fact that it's contradicted by observation: "chaotic" systems have lots and lots and LOTS of order... so much you can't predict the outcomes in advance, but all obeying ordinary physical laws. A society of moral free men is tremendously complex but comprised of multiple instances of meticulous order.

He's conflating systems too complex for his own mind with systems characterized by moral disorder or system decay. System decay in turn is a return to simplicity; optionality decreases. Tyrannical rule is extremely simple and extremely capricious: it has a few to no ordered systems and no moral order.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 08, 2020 12:07 AM  

Definitely not meth...

Blogger John Rockwell September 08, 2020 1:12 AM  

Maorio wrote:first of all, thank you so much for the Jordanetics book.

This just becomes more and more satanical by the minute

"There is simply no way, even for God himself, to wall off some isolated portion of the greater surrounding reality"

wtf?


I getting serious Gnostic vibes here. Something like God is actually Demiurge.

The so called Tyrant of the Old Testament. What Satan thinks of God I bet.

Whilst the "Real God" or the "Ein Sof" actually makes no moral demands.

Body and Matter Bad. And all Humanity is just divine sparks belonging to a higher realm of existence trapped in the prison of matter.

Also Satan makes himself the Enlightener that frees Mankind from Divine Tyranny. Providing "Gnosis" from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Just like the Myth of Prometheus.

Blogger Noah B. September 08, 2020 1:44 AM  

OK, who forgot to lock up the cider?

Blogger map September 08, 2020 3:04 AM  

John Rockwell wrote:Body and Matter Bad. And all Humanity is just divine sparks belonging to a higher realm of existence trapped in the prison of matter.

Meh...this sounds like Catharism. I thought the Albigensian Crusade took care of those a**holes.

Blogger Sillon September 08, 2020 3:48 AM  

I've read the new verborrea from Peterson... All I cound think is "shut up Jordan!"

Blogger Karen took the Kids September 08, 2020 4:08 AM  

More nonsense from the soothsayer. Eat your meat, take your meth and clean your room.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli September 08, 2020 6:30 AM  

IreneAthena wrote:So no, Jordan Peterson, chaos isn't a challenge or obstacle to God. It's just raw material for Him (for Him, for HIM--triple underlined-- sometimes with our cooperation) to make something new. Walking humbly with our God means we choose HIM and His way, rather than chaos, with every step, with every choice to make. I sure am glad for God's mercy, for Jesus' never letting go, even when I took many a wrong turn in ignorance, and sometimes even in rebellion.

Amen.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2020 6:38 AM  

Hmmm another CAA "client." They sell tickets at CAA?

Blogger Josh Brown September 08, 2020 6:43 AM  

Moving back to Alberta to do some hiking in summer and a bit of skiing in winter is what he should be thinking about.

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Blogger Pedro the Cat September 08, 2020 7:27 AM  

Something about blind guides and both falling into a pit springs to mind...

Blogger Toris September 08, 2020 7:28 AM  

A song playing in the background confused Jordan as to the nature of it's game. Something about cops being criminals, sinners saints, heads tails.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 08, 2020 8:22 AM  

Meh...this sounds like Catharism.

Or New Age systems like A Course in Miracles. The same basic Gnostic ideas keep coming back, packaged a little differently to fit each era.

Blogger JG September 08, 2020 8:34 AM  

Most don't realize that the Lobster Pope already had a list of 48 rules for life on a website somewhere. So he's set for a while even as he goes into rehab for whatever drug he's on or spends 25 days not sleeping because he drank some cider.

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2020 8:55 AM  

I would ask why anyone would pay for cheap knockoff gnosticism when they could get the real thing for free, but the Nigerian prince email scam is a thing because it works. There are actually people who will believe a faceless stranger who says that he wants to give you lots of money, and all you have to do is give him your bank account info. And also, my dad's family was Christian Science, which is the same old wineskin with new wine, and yet it still makes money.

Jordanetics is working in a very crowded space of people all running the same old con that reality is an illusion that can be shaped by greater Will. The original "free money" scam.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 08, 2020 11:28 AM  

The more I looked into Peterson's beliefs the more I thought the God he's referring to is the Demiurge or the God of this world rather than the Abrahamic God.

Whenever people asked him if he believes in Jesus Christ he cringed like a vampire in sunlight and does everything he can to deflect and obfuscate. I knew he was dishonest right there and then. VD's book and talks about him just reinforced my opinion.

Blogger SirHamster September 08, 2020 1:24 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:The question was asked, how can we know that God can keep evil out of Heaven, since He wasn't able to keep Lucifer from turning into Satan? The theologian's reply was: every citizen of Heaven, from the aborted fetus to anyone born into this chaotic sin-wrecked world, will have personally been harmed by the effects of evil, brought into the world by Lucifer's rebellion against God. Enlightened victims of that rebellion will be unlikely to repeat it. The chaos allowed to exist under the Prince of the Power of the Air in THIS world is, if not a guarantee against, at least a very strong deterrent for rebellion and chaos in the NEXT. That's all I remember of that theologian's answer.
This is an example of why theologians need to shut up.

"Can God ...?"

"There's a chance he can't, but maybe there are good deterrents to make it unlikely!"

God is Faithful, True, and Just. How does one study enough to get the title and fail to give a simple and correct answer that honors God?

God has a banhammer. Muted, deleted, blocked. Done. Gammas who believe they can rules lawyer God and ankle-bite in heaven will find otherwise.

But don't feel bad for evil, they didn't want to be there anyways.

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2020 1:47 PM  

@81 RadixMalorum:

That is always the best tell, when someone hisses and cringes like a vampire at a mention of Jesus.

Blogger Avalanche September 08, 2020 4:01 PM  

@53 " I haven't seen anything from him in ages."

Ha. I kept wondering why YT "suddenly" keeps recommending more and more stuff by the slick serpent.... Or is that the sick serpent?

Blogger IreneAthena September 08, 2020 5:17 PM  

@82 Agreed, SirHamster of COURSE God has a ban-hammer, which is why I wrote, in the next line of the comment:
"Even if there WERE to be rebellions in the Heaven of the future, God could handle it in the same way He handled Satan's past rebellion."

What's interesting about the theologian's answer is that it is an even better answer to the question, Why is evil allowed to exist in our current world? than it is to the question, How can we be sure that God can keep evil out of heaven?

Blogger IreneAthena September 08, 2020 6:30 PM  

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" There it is, in Hebrews! Yeah, fear of the Ban-Hammer is the beginning of wisdom, but citizens of Heaven obey because they've learned obedience the way the Lord Jesus Christ learned obedience. Take comfort from that, whoever needs it.

Blogger JHypers September 08, 2020 8:44 PM  

Jordan Peterson rides the snake...to the lake.

Blogger camperbot September 09, 2020 5:45 AM  

Vox, this bollocks is pure freemasonic dualism. "Yes Lucifer is God and unfortunately Adonai is also God" as explained by Albert Pike. The existence of something depends on the existence of its opposite: no light without dark, no good without evil.

Blogger NoobishTitan September 11, 2020 3:27 PM  

Starts off okay. Then you realize God made the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil..m

Blogger IreneAthena September 11, 2020 8:14 PM  

Why would Genesis 2:9 be a problem for the "you" who reads it, NoobishTitan? That tree wasn't evil, but it wasn't intended to provide food for Adam and Even, sp God had forbidden Adam and Eve to eat its fruit.

Blogger IreneAthena September 11, 2020 10:12 PM  

What else might the problem be, NoobishTitan? In Gen 2:17 God forbade Adam and Eve to eat of the TotKoGaE "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." And that's exactly what happened the day they ate of it: Adam's and Eve's rebellion against God ended their life as innocents, and was Day One of their life as rebels of God. They were both fundamentally changed. Before that day, they had had permission to eat of the Tree of Life, and had they not eaten of the TotKoGaE, could have continued eating from the Tree of Life, and living forever. Adam's death at age 930 (Gen 5:5) seems like the end of a long life to US, but it was a snap of the finger compared to the length of the death-less life he might have had in the garden before he and Eve disobeyed God.

To allude to an earlier mention of God's Ban-Hammer, it had been used on Satan who knows how many eons before then when God kicked Lucifer out of Heaven, and here it was used on Adam and Eve when God banished them from the Garden of Eden. Right before God expelled them, though, He cursed the ground that Adam was to work for the rest of his life, and why? This is just conjecture but maybe...it was God's mercy. Maybe...they were to "learn obedience through the things that they had suffered." God may be perfecting all of their descendants (us) the suffering of the days ahead. Hallelujah!

And tucked into the middle of those very curses on his rebellious children, is the first inkling of God's very great merciful plan to win back the human race from Satan, the promise of the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ: "Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Hallelujah!
Well. I find it hard to resist an internet argument about God. There's always a blessing in digging into Scripture, as well as the answer to the question that originally brought you there!

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