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Saturday, October 17, 2020

Division and Qanon

It seems to me that the mainstream media usually celebrates things that tend to tear families apart, things like divorce and immigration and transgenderism and interracial relationships. I wonder why tearing families apart has suddenly become a bad thing in its eyes?

QAnon can be traced back to a series of 2017 posts on 4chan, the online message board known for its mixture of trolls and alt-right followers. The poster was someone named "Q," who claimed to be a government insider with Q security clearance, the highest level in the Department of Energy. QAnon's origin matters less than what it's become, an umbrella term for a loose set of conspiracy theories ranging from the false claim that vaccines cause illness and are a method of controlling the masses to the bogus assertion that many pop stars and Democratic leaders are pedophiles.

The choose-your-own-adventure nature of QAnon makes it compelling to vulnerable people desperate for a sense of security and difficult for Twitter and Facebook to control, despite their efforts. It's becoming increasingly mainstreamed as several QAnon-friendly candidates won congressional primaries. And the FBI has warned that it could "very likely motivate some domestic extremists to commit criminal, sometimes violent activity."

As QAnon has crept into the news, it's become a testament to our age of political disinformation, not to mention easy online comedic currency. But what's often forgotten in stories and jokes are the people behind the scenes who are baffled at a loved one's embrace of the "movement," and who struggle to keep it from tearing their families apart.

Then again, I seem to recall that someone else once came to tear families apart. Perhaps division is not such a bad thing...

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.

- Luke 12:51-53

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54 Comments:

Blogger Karen took the Kids October 17, 2020 6:01 AM  

"the false claim that vaccines cause illness"

Oh that's been debunked has it, like Pizzagate? My bad

"to the bogus assertion that many pop stars and Democratic leaders are pedophiles."

That's demonstrably true right now.

Blogger Gregory the Tall October 17, 2020 6:09 AM  

It depends on who is the divider:
if it is Satan, the media are okay with it, if it is Jesus, they aren't.

Blogger Lazarus October 17, 2020 6:16 AM  

online message board known for its mixture of trolls and alt-right followers.

They always leave out doomers, gloomers, CIA clowns, and Mossad. Why is that?

Blogger Brett baker October 17, 2020 6:17 AM  

Does this mean the media is going to start fact-checking Black Twitter?

Blogger Lazarus October 17, 2020 6:19 AM  

Ooops. I left out (((Unit 8200))). I got Shylock Holmes syndrome.

Blogger Rick October 17, 2020 6:37 AM  

It’s spells like this that convince me it’s true;

“false” claim that vaccines cause illness and are a method of controlling the masses to the “bogus“ assertion”

Just outright false and bogus, eh?

I know they’re not talking to me when they say it like this, but they forget we can hear them too. And it feels demonic.

The ticket-takers give themselves away.

Blogger Parallax October 17, 2020 6:45 AM  

This passage has been a recent focus in my family’s bible study, especially with our concentration on deception and current events. I honestly fight the urge to go full newspaper eschatologist but, “Come on, man,” one gets the strong suspicion that a certain 7 years is rapidly approaching. Anyway, today I celebrate over two decades with my beautiful wife in the company of great children. To hell with Satan’s schemes and his worm tongues.

Blogger Kraemer October 17, 2020 7:03 AM  

Congratulations bro! I'm barely older than your marriage!
In terms of eschatology: don't worry about it. We were told that we won't know "the day or the hour" by the Master himself. The end times don't really mean much, certainly not as much as our mortal lifespan's end time. If you're good with God when you meet Him, that's all you ever need.

Blogger The Lab Manager October 17, 2020 7:16 AM  

And the FBI has warned that it could "very likely motivate some domestic extremists to commit criminal, sometimes violent activity."

Do they mean like the violent activity already committed by BLM/ANTIFA and other leftist/communist agitators? Yet they can't round up any of these douchebags?

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 17, 2020 7:34 AM  

Thanks to the Q group, we may have a relatively peaceful election, compared to what we might have had. What I'm referring to is the inevitable end of the Biden campaign before election day. The more info that drips out from Hunter Biden's 3 computers, the worse it looks for Joe. At first I thought Joe would make a deal to save Hunter from the death penalty, but it seems Joe only looked at Hunter as a vehicle to launder his own money back to him. Joe Biden is going to be shown to be such a completely heartless, evil, psychopathic son-of-a-bitch that he will be hounded out of the race by his own (as of now) "supporters". I believe Joe's involvement with Epstein and his island (8 miles from the Biden's property on Water Island) will be revealed in the coming days. Joe will stay in until last week or two of October, too late to be replaced on the ballots of anywhere close to enough states to matter. That will cause strife, but nowhere near as much as a hotly contested election with both sides claiming victory weeks after the ballots are cast. #TheGodEmperor may have figured out how to soften the blow of his inevitable Trumpslide by showing us all who Joe Biden and the rest of the Deep State really are, thus making it dangerous for Joe Biden to walk the streets without being ripped to shreds by anyone who spots him.

Blogger Pathfinderlight October 17, 2020 7:41 AM  

MSM outlets crying about divisive beliefs is about the same as abortion rights advocates sounding like Jefferson Davis on States' Rights. You could seriously replace 'slavery' with abortion and not tell which century some of those arguments come from.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2020 7:51 AM  

The article is the usual establishment crap, the comments are useful, a window into the leftist minions' minds. The establishment should feel lucky they have the Qanon phenomenon to bag on, easy demographic to target the working class whites with little to no social cache in New America and the simple fact that conspiracy theorizing usually quickly descends into a joke.

Sure it's great to uncover some facts about people or events, that should stoke the desire for inquiry but conspiracy theorists then race one another for outlandish conclusions and totally skip the need to actually ask questions.

Point being the establishment dirt bags and the people who agree with them have a weakness and that is being asked questions or interrogated, we need more interrogation and less guru of the super secret knowledge.

Blogger Bogey October 17, 2020 7:52 AM  

@ 7. Parallax I sure do hope so. Thankfully those 7 years have been shortened by Christ. Look up "7 years shortened" or "Tribulation shortened".

Blogger Parallax October 17, 2020 7:56 AM  

Hollywood makes piles of movies about conspiracies and manipulation of the news then denies their reality or possibility.

USG subjects workforce to endless counterintelligence, anti terrorism, insider threat and cyber security training filled with stories of conspiracies and espionage then goes to great lengths to reject they exist or are even possible.

The News has literally uncovered conspiracies then immediately labels anyone who entertains them an InfoWars goon willing to accept any possibility while simultaneously denying their own journalistic history and the hilarious YT hive mind montages of them using the same phrases in their newscasts and articles.

And we’re supposed to think there isn’t any collusion?

Blogger Carlos Carrasco October 17, 2020 8:19 AM  

Long may these divisions multiply!

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2020 8:23 AM  

@6 Rick:

It’s spells like this that convince me it’s true;

“false” claim that vaccines cause illness and are a method of controlling the masses to the “bogus“ assertion”


Anyone who says vaccines are risk free is making a political statement. Even more so than a lot of drugs, when you poke or wack the immune system with a stick, if done to millions you know some fraction are going to get seriously ill, and a smaller will die. It's all about risk/benefit calculation, and that's before we get into VD and company's legitimate concerns about scheduling for the young.

"are a method of controlling the masses" though might be referring to loons who think, for example, that this is part of a plot to "hook everyone up to an AI." No antenna of any usable size should put paid to that (look at the scale of "chips" put in pets and livestock), but not many know about that sort of thing.

And in all cases, Bill Gates is still totally lacking in self-awareness to not realize he's one of the worst possible vaccine salesmen you could conceive of.

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2020 8:40 AM  

Who, whom

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2020 8:42 AM  

Congrats

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2020 8:46 AM  

One of their favorite ways to support The Narrative is to claim that the opposite is a conspiracy theory which has been "debunked" . An evidence-free claim claim at that. "Debunked" has become a talisman in their minds that magically makes inconvenient truths go away.

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2020 8:49 AM  

They also fear Q because they believe that a narrative becomes "true" through sufficient belief (see, e.g. "my truth" ). If Q theories spread and gain sufficient followers they reason, then it will become true. That thought almost scares the NAMBLA out of them.

Blogger LM October 17, 2020 8:51 AM  

Do you really think this passage is meant to be taken literally? It wouldn't really mesh with the rest of Luke 12, which is about renunciation of material things. Then there is Luke 12.41:

Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

Blogger tuberman October 17, 2020 8:56 AM  

When more Q comics come out through Arkhaven, expect a larger audience and some attacks?

Blogger lowercaseb October 17, 2020 9:26 AM  

At least they finally admit what vexes them:

"...difficult for Twitter and Facebook to control, despite their efforts"

Uneasy rests their digital crowns...no matter how hard they debunk, it keeps getting rebunked right in front of their eyes.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants October 17, 2020 9:50 AM  

Don't let those ignorant, dangerous Q people brainwash you, that's OUR job.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants October 17, 2020 9:52 AM  

Huge Congrats! Monday marks 34 yrs of marriage for me, and I'm now forced to celebrate it alone. Hug your loved ones and make every day count. Sounds trite, until it doesn't.

Blogger Nostromo October 17, 2020 10:16 AM  

The tighter they hold to prevent the truth leaking out the more it squirts away, like squeezing mud in your fist.

Blogger MidnightSun October 17, 2020 10:30 AM  

And the FBI has warned that it could "very likely motivate some domestic extremists to commit criminal, sometimes violent activity."

And the FBI has warned that IT (meaning them) could...! Good Lord he's given away the plan right there! Hasn't the (FIB) already been caught doing this? MPAI including Travis Andrews the moron who wrote this garbage.

Blogger Th3 J3st3r October 17, 2020 10:35 AM  

"an umbrella term for a loose set of conspiracy theories ranging from the false claim that vaccines cause illness and are a method of controlling the masses"
They are too autistic to understand the "methinks thou doth protest too much" principle; clearly their vaccines have caused their autism.

Blogger Crush Limbraw October 17, 2020 10:48 AM  

Since true history is essentially empirical evidence for what might come next, I find Q to be proven by events as I see them - just not fast enough for my impatient nature!

Blogger van helsing October 17, 2020 10:59 AM  

the truth... it's like "the blob"

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella October 17, 2020 11:17 AM  

Do they mean their own books are not true? The prize-winning one by (((Oshinsky))) that admits that two (((scientists))) managed to poison American children with poorly made vaccines? That one? It's right up there with Toaff.

Blogger Maniac October 17, 2020 11:27 AM  

@25 - My condolences. Lost my Mom to cancer a couple of years ago and my Dad's trying to get along.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 17, 2020 12:13 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:Anyone who says vaccines are risk free is making a political statement. Even more so than a lot of drugs, when you poke or wack the immune system with a stick, if done to millions you know some fraction are going to get seriously ill, and a smaller will die. It's all about risk/benefit calculation, and that's before we get into VD and company's legitimate concerns about scheduling for the young.

Not to mention the notion that viruses aren't really a contagious vector, but are produced by the body in the process of dealing with toxins (put very briefly and insufficiently).

I highly recommend the recently released book, The Contagion Myth, to all here. Written by Dr. Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morrell of the Weston A. Price Foundation. It's a fascinating hypothesis that blows a hole in so much of modern medicine, and especially the COVID nonsense. It's a huge red pill.

Blogger Crew October 17, 2020 12:24 PM  

I suspect QAnon knew about this:

Additionally, the hard drives supposedly include a list of all the U.S. Congressmen currently being bribed by China, according to this dissident, according to Guo.

https://qm.news/well-son-of-a-b-like-father-like-son-hunter-bidens-sex-lies-video-secrets/

Blogger tublecane October 17, 2020 1:16 PM  

The FBI warned us about the dangers of the Joker movie. The FBI is liars.

Blogger tublecane October 17, 2020 1:19 PM  

@Paraliax- Everytime I see one of those “conspiracy” movies I imagine the bad guys are the juice, and how angry it would make the filmmakers to know I do so.

Blogger Crew October 17, 2020 1:22 PM  

Not to mention the notion that viruses aren't really a contagious vector, but are produced by the body in the process of dealing with toxins (put very briefly and insufficiently).

Can you elaborate on this? I hesitate to call you ignorant, but the evidence for viruses (even viruses for bacteria) seems pretty strong.

Blogger GAHCindy October 17, 2020 1:29 PM  

The book is unavailable everywhere I've looked. :(

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2020 1:35 PM  

@33 Duke Norfolk:

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:

Anyone who says vaccines are risk free is making a political statement. Even more so than a lot of drugs, when you poke or wack the immune system with a stick, if done to millions you know some fraction are going to get seriously ill, and a smaller will die. It's all about risk/benefit calculation, and that's before we get into VD and company's legitimate concerns about scheduling for the young.

Not to mention the notion that viruses aren't really a contagious vector, but are produced by the body in the process of dealing with toxins (put very briefly and insufficiently).


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Did the authors of the The Contagion Myth explain how Koch's Postulates apparent correctness for viruses as a class is actually is a mistake (i.e. with plants and animals, and see below, bacteria)? Per the link I include below, I see they're outright lying about applying these postulates to COVID-19 unless your criteria is it must be done using humans, which we're simply not hard (e.g. no experiments on convicts) or desperate enough to do (yet) in precise ways, instead of implicitly with contact tracing.

Better, how do they explain the worldwide disappearance of many claimed virus caused diseases through vaccination, from smallpox, to polio in the developed world, and we're nearly there world wide.

I see here COVID-19 is caused by 5G wireless deployments. How do they explain the world wide spread of COVID-19 when 5G wireless is just barely getting deployed in developed nations?? Presumably they're talking about the new millimetre wave bands intended for dense cities as opposed to existing lower ranges which have long been used, although I see some in between ones in service; exactly which frequencies do they claim are causing COVID-19? Here's a starting place which helps to illustrate 5G is a lot more about protocols on top of radio transmissions than what frequencies where, power transmitted, etc.? Do handsets play a role, or is it only transmitters?

Note you're talking to someone who's used a bacteria virus to do genetic mapping of several bacteria strains. How do bacteria map into this thesis?

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 17, 2020 2:12 PM  

@37 Look up Dr. Tom Cowan and/or read the book I referred to. All I can say is, how many things have we thought "science" knew, that have turned out to not be so? Keep an open mind. That's what I'm trying to do. I would think that of all places, this would be the place that smart people with open minds would be interested in this topic.

And by the way, I referred to it as a notion, not a fact that I was putting forth. The jury's still out, but there's some very interesting stuff that needs to be accounted for that just clearly hasn't. A lot like, oh, maybe, evolution.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 17, 2020 2:14 PM  

Guys, don't quiz or harangue me about this, just look into it if you're interested. I think it's fascinating and possibly a big paradigm shifter.

Blogger LM October 17, 2020 3:38 PM  

I am currently in the 'disease causes viruses camp' but I am open to changing my position and would love to have a serious discussion about it.

> Koch's Postulates apparent correctness for viruses

My understanding is that viruses do not, and cannot, satisfy Koch's postulates, as they can never be 'isolated and grown in a pure culture' (#2), since they require other cells to reproduce. In addition, most infectious diseases can exist at a subclinical level which would violate 'should cause disease' (#3). This doesn't necessarily torpedo the entire theory, but does imply at minimum some other factor is required to explain why most people who test positive for TB, for example, don't have actual symptoms, and perhaps from a clinical perspective that factor is more important.

I read a bit of https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31992387/ My understanding is that it says 'We got a gene code from the Chinese. We ran PCR on that code on some people who they thought had COVID and it came back positive. We ran PCR on that code on on some samples from our normal database of sick people, and they came back negative. Therefore, we believe this is the DNA for the COVID virus'. So that DNA is likely correlated with something, but how can we reasonably know which causes which?

> Better, how do they explain the worldwide disappearance of many claimed virus caused diseases through vaccination, from smallpox, to polio in the developed world, and we're nearly there world wide.

Polio matches up very well with DDT use. But my understanding is that most of these diseases were simply regulated out of existence. To have polio, you have to have the polio virus. But, if you have the vaccine, no one will test for it. They'll simply assume you have another, very similar, disease, like say accute flaccid paralysis.

I read Janine Roberts' 'Fear of the Invisible' and was relatively convinced. You can read a review here. I would be very curious to hear any criticism. http://davidpratt.info/roberts.htm

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2020 4:37 PM  

@42 LM:

I am currently in the 'disease causes viruses camp' but I am open to changing my position and would love to have a serious discussion about it.

> Koch's Postulates apparent correctness for viruses

My understanding is that viruses do not, and cannot, satisfy Koch's postulates, as they can never be 'isolated and grown in a pure culture' (#2), since they require other cells to reproduce.


Science needs some flexibility; by their very nature, best viewed as "hacks," they're obligate parasites. Allow for this (see below) and #2 can be satisfied.

In addition, most infectious diseases can exist at a subclinical level which would violate 'should cause disease' (#3). This doesn't necessarily torpedo the entire theory, but does imply at minimum some other factor is required to explain why most people who test positive for TB, for example, don't have actual symptoms, and perhaps from a clinical perspective that factor is more important.

There's such a thing as immune systems ... which is how the simplest TB test work. Your quibble might even pertain to the infective dose these various people get.

I read a bit of https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31992387/ My understanding is that it says 'We got a gene code from the Chinese. We ran PCR on that code on some people who they thought had COVID and it came back positive. We ran PCR on that code on on some samples from our normal database of sick people, and they came back negative. Therefore, we believe this is the DNA for the COVID virus'. So that DNA is likely correlated with something, but how can we reasonably know which causes which?

Substitute RNA for DNA, the RT in RT-PCR is reverse transcriptase, an enzyme found in retroviruses like HIV that copies RNA into DNA before it does its evil. We use that in the lab and diagnostics because DNA is tougher, we have better tools for it, etc.

What you point out is the fundamental "correlation does not imply causation" issue. One obvious way to address this is to use animal models, which you want to find anyway for other types of experiments. I've stopped following the research, but remember this was started as soon as we got virus isolates; vaguely recall it was 100% lethal to one primate, but just checked and fortunately ferrets, our favorite model for human respiratory viruses, are susceptible to it.

Another method takes advantage of the postulate #2 adjustment: in a BSL-3 or higher lab, expose cell cultures of various human tissues to the virus, see if it goes to town on them.

> Better, how do they explain the worldwide disappearance of many claimed virus caused diseases through vaccination, from smallpox, to polio in the developed world, and we're nearly there world wide.

Polio matches up very well with DDT use. But my understanding is that most of these diseases were simply regulated out of existence. To have polio, you have to have the polio virus. But, if you have the vaccine, no one will test for it. They'll simply assume you have another, very similar, disease, like say accute flaccid paralysis.


Polio doesn't, people got in prehistory, per Wikipedia big epidemics started in 1990, long before DDT was recognized to be insecticidal, and the first vaccine for it predates the ban by a couple of decades. The raw numbers of those with "accute flaccid paralysis" went way down, correlated with vaccinations. And there's viral diseases with far more overt and obvious symptoms, like the poxes which are named for the skin lesions they call. Starting with of course the very first vaccination efforts against the very overt smallpox which I used as a starting bookend. That most certainly has not been "regulated out of existence." Otherwise universally fatal rabies is another good example.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2020 5:30 PM  

On that "review", which seems more to be a condensation of Fear of the Invisible. The answer to Pasteur’s cude isolates is staring you in the face, it's something I've done in the lab. Take a sample, properly dilute it, then spread a bit of that on a Petri dish. If you get the concentration right, you'll get something like the picture, each those colonies was started from a single bacteria cell, this is "pure" modulo the usual mutations.

The viruses are usually grown in a culture of animal or human cells, which are stimulated with toxic chemicals so that they produce more viruses. The viruses used in vaccines are either ‘living’ but weakened, or ‘dead’.

I really wonder about the former, and the latter is old technology. For example, while I'm not sure when we started, but egg grown flu vaccines are filtered so that only the H and N proteins are left, plus small but potentially lethal to the egg allergic egg proteins etc. Note we've got methods that are more specific than size, although I don't know the details or how much they're used in practice. We've now got much better technology, like splicing into insect cells the sequence for the future guessed flu season's H protein and growing them in a bioreactor. Still going to end up with a bit of a mess, but that's the only type of flu vaccine Walmart bought in the US last year, I didn't notice any difference between that and the egg grown variety.

Government health authorities constantly repeat that vaccines are safe and effective. Since vaccine effectiveness is usually determined by their ability to cause antibody production....

And you believe government health authorities? Nothing is "safe," including staying in or getting out of bed. But here we get to the first Big Lie. Antibody production is only a surrogate measure, the real test is effectiveness in the wild, as is being tested in the Phase III trials for COVID-19, the FDA will accept nothing less as far as I know ... although I can see them making exceptions for diseases that are deadly and rare in the wild, but with the experience of properly tested vaccines as a basis. One reason along with safety they're so big, minimum of 15,000 each for each trial "arm", vaccine and control of saline solution.

The company running the trials records who ends up getting COVID-19, then the independent committee tells them how many from each arm. The surrogate of antibody production was important for Phase I and II trials to help hone in on the dosage to try for Phase III, and is necessary for seasonal flu vaccines, you only find out during and after the season was over how effective they really were. But we know the flu vaccine works in general as a matter of medicine, the trick for public health is keeping up with H and N protein mutations.

And now we get to what might become a fatal flaw in the thesis: the so far (surrogate antibody production!) promising mRNA COVID-19 vaccine candidates, Moderna's and Pfize/BioNTech. Need to find out how their mRNA is manufactured.

But the bottom line is testing this stuff in the wild. Witch's brews or not (do you consume just plain drugs that are made in the PRC or India and packaged in India??), are they statistically safe and effective? You tell me if you know anyone who's gotten smallpox, vs. an ugly scar from the vaccination process.

Blogger Steve Samson October 17, 2020 5:42 PM  

I'm sympathetic to the viruses are caused by disease view but nowhere near smart enough to come to a firm conclusion, even the replies in this thread are starting to go right over my head, but as someone mentioned evolution I've seen evolutioneers use viruses as a proof of evolution (because they mutate) but it occurs to me that they would actually tend to disprove it, as I can't see any way something that isn't even technically alive (doesn't eat, doesn't move, doesn't respire) could evolve from something alive. And it couldn't work the other way around as viruses can't reproduce or mutate without a living cell. Hopefully someone with a bigger brain can enlighten me before we get dragged back on-topic.

Blogger LM October 17, 2020 5:44 PM  

@43

Thanks for your response. Your smallpox point is excellent and I will do some research there. I am more familiar with HIV & polio as those were the cases in Roberts' book; as you may have noticed I am not a biologist.

I would be very interested to read any papers that claim disease transmission via viral isolates in animals as long as their methodology does not include cranial injection like the original Landsteiner/Popper experiment, for what I hope are obvious reasons.

I don't see how Wikipedia can reasonably know why certain ancient Egyptians suffered from limb deformities, and almost certainly there would be multiple causes. Also, although DDT was officially banned in 1972, its use collapsed in the early 50s and it was mostly exported. http://www.harvoa.org/polio/overview.htm quotes a textbook on toxicology:

> The observed decrease in the concentration of DDT in food (Walker et al., 1954; Durham et al., 1965a; Duggan, 1968) offers an adequate reason for the decrease in storage in people. The average intake of p,p’-DDT and of total DDT-derived material was 0.178 and 0.280 mg/human/day, respectively, in 1954, but only 0.028 and 0.063 mg/human/day, respectively, during the period 1964-1967

Blogger Bezzle October 17, 2020 6:18 PM  

"...QAnon can be traced back to a series of 2017 posts on 4chan...."

How easily they slip in their fall-back propaganda. There is no such thing as "Qanon". There is Q, and there are anons, but they are completely separate. Anyone insisting otherwise is a bullshitter.

@12. Mr.MantraMan October 17, 2020 7:51 AM
The establishment should feel lucky they have the Qanon phenomenon to bag on....

There is no way in hell that the Cabal would be talking about this if they had a choice in the matter. The existence of such conversation is an indication that they've already lost, and the Q-team is in the business of rounding up the scraps, and preparing the population for wide disclosure.

Q researchers have theorized for at least a few years now that the Big Techs are actually under control of the good guys. Trump's presence on Twitter represents the obvious hot-poker-in-the-eye, as well as those dozens of Q-covering YouTube channels curiously remaining up and running all through 2019 and 2020 right up now, just before the election but after Trump has been asked repeatedly about Q in the media. -- They sure do want you to know about Q all of a sudden, don't they, and give you a solid month to get fully acquainted online before only then purging the system, that serving to 1) awaken the masses, and 2) eliminate bad actors, incompetents, and other dead-weight barnacle-encrustations feeding off the energies).

The initial wave of MeToo was full of (((influential ticket-takers))) of the sort you'd previously expect to slither through unscathed (e.g., a Cabal-controlled press wouldn't go after Weinstein, a major ticket-disseminator in Hollywood; that whole thing was fishy). Weinstein was made the first example of DECLAS, and dozens of back-rank journalists, polyhacks, and CEOs quietly issued their demoralizing and embarrassing MeToo apologies before slinking away into obscurity.

Q uses the enemy's playbook against them.

It is a war, and for a time it will appear that the goblins are winning (after their orc generals are slain). There will be collateral damage -- but is it really "damage" if that damage is merely digital, and you're able to wear it as a badge of honor later? It's not like Alice had her legs chopped off, or was thrown over a highway overpass bridge railing down to the pavement in front of a truck.

Blogger Akulkis October 17, 2020 7:43 PM  

OP: And the FBI has warned that it could "very likely motivate some domestic extremists to commit criminal, sometimes violent activity."

Nobody needs QAnon to motivate them to commit violent acts against both elected and appointed officials at ALL levels of government.

The kleptocratic policies are in themselves sufficient motivation for many, as soon as they feel they've got nothing left to lose by striking back.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2020 8:03 PM  

@45 Steve Samson:

[...] but as someone mentioned evolution I've seen evolutioneers use viruses as a proof of evolution (because they mutate) but it occurs to me that they would actually tend to disprove it, as I can't see any way something that isn't even technically alive (doesn't eat, doesn't move, doesn't respire) could evolve from something alive.

I don't think this says anything about the origin of life, about which I have no informed scientific opinion. But for evolution, if you do work in this field, you may know it happens, you've perhaps taken advantage of it. For me, point and deletion mutations in a bacteria which made them resistant to an antibiotic, by messing up or removing the receptor on the surface of the cell that took it in (and also did other important stuff, which is what led to this bit of research).

As has been discussed here previously, zoonotic viruses are by definition not perfectly adapted to humans, and therefore tend to be more lethal, and through favorable mutations will over time adapt to us. And becoming less lethal tends to be a part of that, the longer someone can give it to others, the more that strain will spread. Compare to a hypothetical one that kills in a day.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2020 8:14 PM  

@46. LMOctober 17, 2020 5:44 PM

@43

Thanks for your response. Your smallpox point is excellent and I will do some research there. I am more familiar with HIV & polio as those were the cases in Roberts' book; as you may have noticed I am not a biologist.


You're welcome; I was on my way to becoming one when I discovered my true calling was chemistry.

I would be very interested to read any papers that claim disease transmission via viral isolates in animals as long as their methodology does not include cranial injection like the original Landsteiner/Popper experiment, for what I hope are obvious reasons.

Look for papers about developing animal models for COVID-19, by definition they were exposed to a virus isolate in the lab to see if they'll catch it, and to what degree.

I don't see how Wikipedia can reasonably know why certain ancient Egyptians suffered from limb deformities, and almost certainly there would be multiple causes.

And I've seen speculation FDR didn't get real polio. But for both it's a plausible guess, you do what you can. Based on how they evolved, you can sometimes pinpoint about when a "new virus" was "created", if you can discern it forked off an existing one that's still around, this is based on mutation rates. For example, we believe that measles evolved from rinderpest, a zoonotic jump we guess was probably from cattle to humans in the 11-12th century.

Also, although DDT was officially banned in 1972, its use collapsed in the early 50s and it was mostly exported.

The problem is when the epidemics started, in 1900 (sorry I typoed 1990), 39 years before it was realized DDT was a good insecticide, and per Wikipedia it wasn't until 1945 it was available to civilians in the US.

A hypothesis for why polio became regularly epidemic is "Better hygiene meant that infants and young children had fewer opportunities to encounter and develop immunity to polio. Exposure to poliovirus was therefore delayed until late childhood or adult life, when it was more likely to take the paralytic form." See chickenpox for another virus you don't want to get when you're older (and plain don't want to get, shingles is awful, the only prescription I've ever gotten filled for opiates, much worse than kidney stones for me; if you're of the right age, seriously consider getting a shingles vaccination).

Note it's got a fecal-oral route in addition to oral-oral, leading to public health strengths and the major weakness of the oral attenuated virus vaccine. Unlike the killed virus one, it stop infections in the gut, evidently the killed one will allow them and thus asymptomatic spread. For the oral, the attenuated virus gets excreted, so you don't have to hit everyone in a neighborhood where hygiene isn't the best. The bad is after a number of passes through humans, it can regain it's pathogenicity through mutations :-(.

WRT to the concerns about the "witches brew" Salk killed virus vaccine, tendentiously not mentioned in that review is that one company notoriously failed to do a good job in killing it and thus caused a number of infections. On the other hand, when something like the tiny molecule formaldehyde is used properly, you're probably also going to kill a lot of the other viruses that might be contaminating your cultures, polio isn't an enveloped virus, it's harder to kill than the flu, coronaviruses, etc.

Blogger phunktor October 17, 2020 11:51 PM  

A hypothesis gains strength from the failure of ALL attempts to disprove it, and for better explaining ALL observations. Until then my hypothesis is that the authors and their credulous flock are morons to be ignored.

Blogger LM October 18, 2020 11:16 AM  

@50

I reread my posts and I realized I am being rather unclear on some important points. First, I do not believe in single causes. There are all sorts of toxins out there, e.g. before DDT was used the primary pesticide was lead arsenate and its introduction in 1898 matches your timeline perfectly, and also I believe emotional trauma (stress, if you prefer) can cause physical illness as well, especially over time. Secondly, I believe that viruses are the messenger of disease rather than its cause. Imagine one person (cell) yells fire (emits a virus) in a crowded theater (your body), then another takes up the call (makes more copies), and everyone runs for the exits (inflammation). If this world view is correct, then viruses and viral DNA/RNA exist, but vaccines should not work (training people to ignore yells of fire does not stop the theater from burning to the ground) and no one should be able to give you serious symptoms by coughing on you (yelling fire does not actually set the theater on fire, although some people might be trampled in the confusion). The virus in this view is actually the Dark Knight, the misunderstood hero, Mithrandir coming to save the day (I found the differences between Gandalf curing Theoden in the book and movie quite interesting).

So, putting aside smallpox for now, google scholar found me two papers on animal models of COVID. Reading these is not very pleasant, but the first group from the Netherlands is more or less what I would expect. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2020/04/16/science.abb7314.full.pdf The animals as a whole did not actually get sick, but their lungs showed a bit of reaction and one monkey sneezed on the experimenters, which may or may not have been caused by COVID. The Dutch do not describe what they actually injected (only that it came from a German tourist. Hopefully he is not soylent green now) or how much! However, the Chinese paper suggests much more serious symptoms, namely weightloss and fatigue (I wonder how that was measured) and 'very serious lung damage', and I wonder whether this is due to the increased observation. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ame2.12108

> intratracheal routes containing 10^6 TCID50/mL

I was unable to determine what 'intratracheal routes' really means as I mostly found papers on injecting mice (I don't like reading these). Also, TCID seems to be a concentration, so it's unclear to me how much they actually injected. Definitely this is an improvement on intracranial injection, though.

> Lung tissues were collected at 7 dpi

I assume this means they anesthesized them and cut out a small part of their lungs midway through the testing period, which could reasonably account for weight loss and fatigue.

> The IPTT‐300 temperature probes (BMDS), which were injected interscapularly

This appears to mean that they injected a small RFID powered device into a cavity right next to the monkey's hearts.

Perhaps the Chinese group was under significant political pressure to justify the lockdowns and there was some hanky panky going on somewhere. Or maybe I just don't know enough biology to read their papers correctly!

@51

I am increasingly realizing that a great deal of what I was taught in school is wrong, so I am going back and questioning a lot of my assumptions. Healthcare is a huge industry, so there is a lot of incentive for things to go wrong in ways that mysteriously improve the profits of big companies. I admit that all of this uncertainty is not a pleasant way to view the world! But I think it is more accurate than uncritically accepting the establishment line everywhere.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 18, 2020 12:35 PM  

@52. LMOctober 18, 2020 11:16 AM
@50

[ Virus shedding is a effect, not a cause. ]


Note we believe or suspect some of the "junk DNA" in our genomes is viruses captured long ago. Aside from the exclusivity claim, your hypothesis is not incompatible with the one that viruses from outside the body can cause diseases. "Embrace the healing power of 'and'."

So, putting aside smallpox for now [ coverage of two papers on COVID-19 animal models. ]

BTW, to understand "intratracheal routes", start here. It would mean they stuck a tube down the animal's throat, you want to control as much as possible where these deadly viruses get to, you also want to see how bypassing the nose changes the disease.

So, put aside smallpox for now, but you've got to get back to it, and for example the extremely crude Louis Pasteur and Émile Roux 1885 rabies vaccine. With extremely rare exceptions that prove the rule, 17 total human survivals, the first ones not without severe permanent effects, rabies is a universally fatal mammal disease. this paper estimates it kills around 59,000 people per year, officially it was "about 17,500" in 2015. So it's not a super rare disease, it sure seems to be spread from rabid animal to another, including humans, and incidence in the developed world Officially was drastically reduced by vaccinating dogs, cats, and ferrets.

Blogger LM October 18, 2020 3:09 PM  

> your hypothesis is not incompatible with the one that viruses from outside the body can cause diseases

Well, I'm certainly not saying it's impossible! I'll have to poke around regarding rabies and smallpox.

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