Wednesday, October 21, 2020

If you didn't know the polls are fake

 And that pollsters literally work for Democrats, you certainly do now. Now THAT is what is called a smoking gun. Notice that Ryan literally couldn't buy a win from this guy.

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Blogger 7916 October 21, 2020 7:39 PM  

This laptop delivers!

The rubble, it will bounce so high.

Blogger Balkan Yankee October 21, 2020 7:42 PM  

Translation: Joe Biden has to pay Frank Luntz just like everyone else.

Joe no pay. Frank no shill.

Blogger Eniri October 21, 2020 7:42 PM  

I saw this reblogged last night.

Hunter was straight out of college with no education in finance and became titled senior vice president at his first job, making 1.2 million.

Blogger kapy53 October 21, 2020 7:46 PM  

Politicians write emails so weirdly.

Blogger Unknown October 21, 2020 7:48 PM  

Well, get the point. But I think it might speak well of lutzs. Sid

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 21, 2020 7:49 PM  

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Blogger Guitar Man October 21, 2020 7:50 PM  

So two careers have been ruined in this email. Good.

Blogger Darayvus October 21, 2020 7:53 PM  

On the other side, this does put paid to the conspiracy-theory that Ryan (and Romney) threw the election. I'll always wonder about McCain, but Ryan (and Romney) did want to win.

... to sell out this country their own way.

Blogger Kevin October 21, 2020 8:13 PM  

All because the FBI wanted to protect the Biden's. Now they ruined their own reputation (or whatever might have been left of it) the biden's and they'll take down even more on their way down.

Also it looks like paul ryan might have a case for defraudment of services.

Blogger No one important October 21, 2020 8:13 PM  

Wasn't Luntz the darling pollster over at Fox News a few years ago?

Blogger Diogenes October 21, 2020 8:15 PM  

Amazing what scumbags servants of the lie are, isn't it? I may not be a lawyer, but is that "Declared your dad the winner even though Ryan is a paying client" message a contractual violation?

Blogger Wayne October 21, 2020 8:20 PM  

Frank Luntz said today that Trump is running the worst campaign he's ever seen. Who paid him to say that?

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 21, 2020 8:25 PM  

Politicians write emails so weirdly.

Hillary's emails gave me that thought too. There was weirdly syrupy ass-kissing, sometimes to her and sometimes from. They all know who's above whom on the hierarchy.

Blogger Keith October 21, 2020 8:27 PM  

Yep, Luntz is the “republican pollster” that they always trot out when the narrative needs a voice saying the republicans actually like democrat stuff

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson October 21, 2020 8:29 PM  

How corrupt are these people? You are a nominal "conservative" talking head who does focus groups. You get paid to have your supposedly randomly selected focus group say that Paul freaking Ryan made some really good points and have them say the points that Paul Ryan wants them to make. You get a huge check for that and then you stab your paying client in the back.

What was the point for (((Luntz)))? The Democrats has millions of pollsters saying their talking points. The only people who would hire you are Republican types. Behind the scenes the GOP crowd had to have talked about how (((Luntz))) didn't bother to get his side's talking points out and planned to move onto a different talking head to create their focus group. I can't imagine that Obama and Biden paid him enough to cover for the loss of his reputation in the GOP crowd so the money couldn't have been worth it.

And frankly the Republicans are even more pathetic because they get stabbed in the back this way and then who's out there with his stupid obviously fake focus groups on CuxNews? That's right there's (((Luntz))) again. What else is there to say, these people are pathetic and no wonder our country is in terminal decline with these people setting policy.

Blogger Geir Balderson October 21, 2020 8:33 PM  

So, many liars on the payroll of the Prince of Darkness. Is the profession of 'Politician' a one way ticket to Heck?

Blogger jijijeac October 21, 2020 8:55 PM  

i mean there is no market need for their products. the only way to make money is from politicians. dude is just doing his grift as designed.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeBron James loves Asian Rape Farms and Slave Labor ) October 21, 2020 8:59 PM  

11. Diogenes October 21, 2020 8:15 PM
but is that "Declared your dad the winner even though Ryan is a paying client" message a contractual violation?

if anything, it's a superficial indication that Luntz might have some integrity, that his evaluation of the debate can NOT be bought by a client.

the bigger problem is this;
why is a man who has been working for the Republican Party since 1992 ( Pat Buchanan's presidential run, then Gingrich, Giuliani and Bush ) expressing his "love" for Joe, Beau and Hunter Biden?

what have these four been doing together? having little black kids rub their leg hair in the pool?

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot October 21, 2020 8:59 PM  

is that "Declared your dad the winner even though Ryan is a paying client" message a contractual violation?

Probably not. I don't think you can contractually require someone to tell you what you want to hear, but then again this is the GOPe we're talking about. It does illustrate two points, though:

1. Paying someone in politics buys not their impartiality but their amorality

2. It is often seen by these people that they are being paid to tell their clients what they want to hear

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid October 21, 2020 9:01 PM  

I am enjoying the movie. If the plot continues for the higher hanging bad fruit as it has for the Bidens, this is going to be the best movie of all time.

Trees producing bad fruit are felled and cast into the fire.

Blogger MichaelJMaier October 21, 2020 9:06 PM  

What has the FBI EVER done besides create terrorists is then takes credit for "stopping"?

Blogger Lazarus October 21, 2020 9:23 PM  

Grabblers come in all shapes and sizes.

Blogger Voracious Reader October 21, 2020 9:25 PM  

I interviewed at Luntz's firm about 15 years ago for a mid-level communications slot. He struck me as a typical sleazy, connected DC guy. Lots of insiders references, blandishments about importance, etc. in the interview. He was expecting the same love-of-self from me as a weird unstated test, but I guess I was too straightforward in my answers.

A complete show, if not a fraud, of a human being, with a depth of about a quarter-inch. He knows in life how to conduct decent focus groups, and that's about it.

When I see him infrequently appear on TV today, I think of that old interview and how he reminds now of a low-rent version of Glenn Beck.

Thankfully, I didn't get the job.

Blogger buzzardist October 21, 2020 9:32 PM  

Luntz is still the darling conservative pollster. Every presidential debate, you’ll find him somewhere running a “neutral” focus group. If his focus group isn’t broadcast live on Fox News, he’s there interviewing about it soon after.

It’s not like everyone didn’t know Luntz is a media whore, and his recent admission that he is not sure if he’s Republican anymore should have set off a few more red flags to anyone who might have been in doubt. Access, power, and money are the only values these people know.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 21, 2020 9:37 PM  

Damn these Littlest Hats! I am completely lost ':D

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 21, 2020 9:41 PM  

I think I was looking a bit too deeply into this email.
I thought the pay-off was buying Jeep ads (seems like a legit means of bribery). But it seems it is exactly what it says: Little hat schiller expected some recognition by VP-edo Biden (now known a V-Tokyo-Biden, VTB, try to figure THAT one out little hats! :P)

Blogger D. October 21, 2020 9:42 PM  


"Wasn't Luntz the darling pollster over at Fox News a few years ago?"

I think he had the dial-o-meters for his subjects feelz.

Blogger Doom October 21, 2020 9:42 PM  

I've always wondered. Not just msm, but actors. How much does it cost to get a big name to sign on? They aren't doing that for free. Those donations they give? They want that back. Even Rose McGowan? Just saying. Trump seems to be able to lure some reasonable, if surprising, talent.

Not a black pill, simple mathematics... or... some such. This isn't proof of that, but it does inspire conjecture. I really wonder how much some of them cost. I suppose it depends on their favorability and believability ratings, or within specific demos... Especially voters, such as boomers.

I wonder if senators and representatives cost more? Yea, definitely a lot more. Especially since the stars have lost all their glitter.

Blogger Newscaper312 October 21, 2020 9:55 PM  

Not at all, as purchasing polling services in no way legally obligated your own paid for surveys to come out a certain way, much less *someone else's* paid for surveys to go your way.

Now wink and a nod quid pro quo, way the world unofficially works, is a whole nother thing if course.

Not breach if contract, but certainly not a good look for Luntzs future prospects.

After all, as Heinlein said, an honest politician is one who stays bought.

Blogger Noah B. October 21, 2020 10:43 PM  

Wasn't Luntz the darling pollster over at Fox News a few years ago?

Yes. I don't recall details but he didn't do a good job hiding the fact that he was in the tank for Hillary.

Blogger Noah B. October 21, 2020 10:47 PM  

And yes, Frank Lutz was born into a family.

Blogger Brick Hardslab October 21, 2020 11:02 PM  

So they report polls as they are paid or as their mood strikes them? Would he have given his guy the nod if he'd been a Democrat?

What does this mean in normal American?

Blogger Wazdakka October 21, 2020 11:34 PM  

There are so many questions raised by this.
Are these clowns not aware that emails can be read by every intelligence agency, network provider, google etc?
Why do the organisations that know of this behaviour not use it more (perhaps I'm being naive)

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 21, 2020 11:44 PM  

The reason why the cuckpublicand are so hidden lately is they are just as dirty.
Possibly they would rather be seen as wimps and cucks instead of as the criminals they are.

Blogger Reader October 21, 2020 11:45 PM  

Who knew demons were so sensitive...

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeBron James loves Asian Rape Farms and Slave Labor ) October 21, 2020 11:53 PM  

speaking of fakes, our hero is back from his abyss with treasure and knowledge to change the world!

for dealing with a serious cancer, his wife sure does look chipper. and notice that he makes certain to thank his demon possessed son-in-law.

Blogger MrNiceguy October 21, 2020 11:54 PM  

One common theory is that the FBI wasn't trying to protect the Bidens, they wanted the laptop as leverage over (they assumed) the next president.

Blogger tublecane October 22, 2020 12:38 AM  

@4- Politicians do write weirdly, but these guys aren't politicians. They're the scum that floats around politics. Which itself is scum. Making them scum's scum.

Frank is a media whore and Hunter is a civilian frontman for whatever racket Daddy's involved in. They write with the feelings and subtlety of 8th grade girls because D.C. is junior high.

@8- You mean the McCain who in his dying letter to the nation bragged about having had the honor to lose a presidential election. Not running for president or being nominated by his party, but losing. He actually put that in there.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2020 12:42 AM  

Wazdakka wrote:Why do the organisations that know of this behaviour not use it more
They are already getting the behavior they want. What more would they get with the additional leverage ?

Blogger Veritas October 22, 2020 1:49 AM  

However did they manage to get into these positions of power?

Blogger Amethyst Dominica October 22, 2020 3:30 AM  

Off topic, but right wing politicians would be wise to heed Vox's advice on never giving interviews:

Blogger JamesB.BKK October 22, 2020 4:20 AM  

Anybody got speculation why it's from Hunter Biden signed RHB reply to Robert Biden? Funky.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeBron James loves Asian Rape Farms and Slave Labor ) October 22, 2020 6:05 AM  

because Hunter's full birth name is "Robert Hunter Biden".

my assumption would be that "Hunter Biden" is the tag pulled from Hunter's address book while "Robert Biden" is pulled from Luntz' address book.

Blogger map October 22, 2020 6:12 AM  

No one important wrote:Wasn't Luntz the darling pollster over at Fox News a few years ago?


I was watching Fox News' Shannon Bream Tuesday night and she was quoting Frank Luntz's advice on what the president should do.


Blogger nswhorse October 22, 2020 6:13 AM  

Definitely not meth.

Blogger nswhorse October 22, 2020 6:14 AM  

His name is Robert Hunter Biden.

Blogger RobertDWood October 22, 2020 6:25 AM  

What's the word on the time stamps? How is the reply from Luntz sent hours before the email from Hunter?

I'm accustomed to the email thread showing the most recent at the top, and Luntz email makes sense as a response to Hunter and his Jeep, but Hunters jeep doesn't make sense as a response several hours later to Luntz

Blogger Jpc October 22, 2020 6:32 AM  

More accurate.
Who's not on the payroll?

Blogger My Comment October 22, 2020 7:26 AM  

Luntz's career has not been ruined. He still serves a purpose and few will know of this deceite

Blogger Paulito October 22, 2020 7:35 AM  

@47 huh? Hunter's email was sent at 1:21am. Luntz's response was sent at 5:56am.

Blogger Apoliteia October 22, 2020 8:20 AM  

@50 Look again. For some reason, it says Hunter sent his email at 8:01:21 AM. Don't know what that means, though. Luntz's message only makes sense as a reply to Hunter's.

Blogger Ferdl October 22, 2020 8:40 AM  

Again and again the protagonists of these kind of stories belong to the same group....

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 22, 2020 9:01 AM  

What's the word on the time stamps?

Most likely time zones.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 22, 2020 9:16 AM  

@51 Apoliteia:

@50 Look again. For some reason, it says Hunter sent his email at 8:01:21 AM. Don't know what that means, though. Luntz's message only makes sense as a reply to Hunter's.

Without access to the whole message, specifically the headers, assume it's time zone issues. The two times are barely more than an hour apart.

Blogger Rough Carrigan October 22, 2020 9:44 AM  

It's hard to take seriously any man with a toupee as bad as the one Frank Luntz wears.

Blogger map October 22, 2020 10:04 AM  

Apoliteia wrote:@50 Look again. For some reason, it says Hunter sent his email at 8:01:21 AM. Don't know what that means, though. Luntz's message only makes sense as a reply to Hunter's.

Ah...I think I see what is happening here.

Luntz and Biden are not trading emails.

Biden sent an email to Luntz. Luntz is responding to the Biden email by saving his response in the "Draft" Folder. He hits "reply," constructs a response and then saves to "Draft." Biden then reads Luntz's response in the "Draft" folder.

Now, how does Biden do this? He has access to Frank Luntz's entire gmail account. He probably set the "remember password" feature so that his laptop has automatic login to Luntz's gmail. This way, he can see all of the replies Luntz has in his drafts folder.

How do I know this is Frank Luntz's gmail account? The initials "FL" in the upper right-hand corner. Biden is accessing Luntz's gmail account directly.

The 5:56am refers to the creation date and time of the archive (draft folder) that contains the draft response to Hunter Bidens email sent 8:01:21 am.

This means there are other draft replies in that archive folder.

It also means that Frank Luntz's entire gmail account can be accessed and downloaded by whoever controls Hunter Biden's laptop.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 22, 2020 11:01 AM  

@56 map: Very interesting theory; I've read this is or was a clandestine method jihadists used to communicate with each other. Sort of a digital dead drop, hard to find in a sea of free email accounts like GMail's.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis October 22, 2020 1:28 PM  

Luntz treated Ron Paul and his supporters like sh&t when he wasn't purposefully ignoring them. I hope he hangs like the rest of them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 22, 2020 1:29 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:@56 map: Very interesting theory;
After looking at the screenshot again, I think he's right.

Blogger Timmy3 October 22, 2020 2:00 PM  

Ryan intentionally lost the House to Nancy Pelosi. He was a disgrace. Anti-Trumpers shouldn’t bother running as Republicans. They’ll lose for us anyways.

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