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Saturday, October 17, 2020

The better they are, the harder they fall

 A new historical study entitled "Moral Collapse and State Failure: A View From the Past" reaches some very similar conclusions to my own predictions for the USA:

Societies with 'good' governments like the Roman Empire and China's Ming Dynasty fell harder than tyrannical dictatorships, a new study suggests.  

When 'good' governments – those that provided goods and services for their people and did not starkly concentrate wealth and power – fell apart, they broke down more intensely, US researchers say. 

Although good governments may have been able to sustain themselves longer than corrupt regimes, they tended to suffer a more catastrophic collapse when new leaders undermined social contracts with the people.

It was two British ministers, Andrew Reed and James Matheson, and not Alexis De Toqueville, who wrote: “America will be great if America is good. If not, her greatness will vanish away like a morning cloud.” America has already ceased to be either great or good, indeed, she has ceased to be America and is now a perverse Pharisatanic empire ruling over a polyglot collection of diverse peoples.

But as America's government was once both very good and managed to disperse wealth and power to a historically unprecedented degree, this study suggests that the coming breakdown is going to be more intense than even the most pessimistic observer tends to anticipate.

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Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa October 17, 2020 11:08 AM  

To our SDL: Thank you for the coining of "Pharisatanic". I will use it with the same glee that I've used "Churchian." The coming American version of the Spanish Civil War will be painful yes...but the other side of it is bound to see some number of successful Christian nation-states arise. And this time, the Christian nation-states will be explicitly members only. Sorry, Marranos, try the nation-state down the road.

Blogger Maniac October 17, 2020 11:19 AM  

If I remember correctly, one of the last cultural phases of the Roman empire involved gender confusion and/or role reversal.

Yeah, shouldn't be long now.

Blogger drsmith48167 October 17, 2020 11:29 AM  

Agree - think the only difference will be how it comes about - economic, like the German Republic after World War One, civil unrest/war like Iran or Lebanon, global war, or some combination of two of all three.

Most scary scenario- US deep state gets pushed into a no win (for them) situation and decided on a first nuclear strike with tactical warheads hoping to gain a quick victory over Russia or China yet instead caused Global Nuclear war...., that would bring about a mist sudden and final reset, which is actually what some of the Davos crowd want.

Blogger Kingly Gift October 17, 2020 11:29 AM  

It's not just the government that has become bad, it is the people too. There is a story about college students who wanted to get exposed to covid so they could sell their plasma, that would be used to treat other's with covid. The school they attend is investigating so it can suspend them.

I can imagine that if this covid thing hit in the 50s, and we had the technology to get the useful antibodies out of convalescent plasma, there would be campaigns encouraging young people to get the virus and recover so their plasma can be used to help the elderly. That was back when we actually had a real sense of community. Where people were not so paralyzed by fear and selfishness that they could think about the entire system and act in ways for the benefit of others. In other words, we were an actual society. Now, all the communal instincts have been hijacked by fakery and self righteousness.

We are no long a people with any courage, honor, or rational ingenuity. We are fearful and selfish slaves. And if anyone does exhibit non-slave behavior, the other slaves can't wait to beat them back into submission.

Bring on the collapse. We don't deserve to continue.

Blogger "William Berke" October 17, 2020 11:30 AM  

Im trying to enjoy my weekend and I don't have time to read an author who avoids talking about the U.S.A. as a nation, every one of them may contradict themselves if they wish to appear as fools.

They do not want for native American nations to supplement their lack of emotion and meaning. It is certain their studies have no purpose.

Leave me alone and stop asking me to verify illusional thinking.

Speaking of decline and fall, only 17 more years until the cv19 propaganda from who becomes generationally significant enough to predicate a world-wide conflict.

Blogger kurt9 October 17, 2020 11:37 AM  

As I've mentioned before, there are several depictions of a balkanized North America in SF. Heinlein wrote one. Jim Hogan wrote another one shortly before he died. I think some of the successor states and city-states can become quite prosperous. I think your guys' nationalism can lead to a thousand-state sovereignty world, which is something we actually discussed in a class at my business school in 1990. The key to to live in one of the prosperity oriented ones and, most importantly, be a net contributor to that prosperity. I think the city-state (think Singapore) will come back into vogue. I can see the Bay Area, once purged of SJW liberals, becoming a Singapore-like city-state.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam October 17, 2020 11:38 AM  

Dl's Agenda 2033.

Blogger kurt9 October 17, 2020 11:41 AM  

The disintegration of the USA could possibly be a relatively benign event. All it would take would be a vote for a constitutional convention. BTW, we're already only two states short of such right now. The collapse of the Soviet Union, though followed by 10 years of economic privation, was relatively benign as well.

Blogger thechortling October 17, 2020 11:53 AM  

right, but EuroNutz will be hit by the pyroclastic flow. There is no safe harbor.

Blogger Johnny October 17, 2020 12:08 PM  

Given our high level of dependency on industry to meet people's needs, any kind of social breakdown would be catastrophic regardless of whether the government is labeled good or evil. The small scale or family farm you could return to isn't around any more, and strong communities are also rare. We are creatures of the industrial process.

Blogger Scuzzaman October 17, 2020 12:10 PM  

I’m pretty sure there’s few people prepared for what’s coming. I don’t mean physically unprepared although most are that too, I mean psychologically and intellectually. I think very few are expecting what’s coming.

Blogger Radical Frontier October 17, 2020 12:23 PM  

It wasn't benign at all. The Russian people were absolutely looted by Gods chosen people.

Blogger B-Rex October 17, 2020 12:27 PM  

Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first"

Blogger Brick Hardslab October 17, 2020 12:29 PM  

Weird part was they think there were examples of good government in pre-columbian Mexico. The land that perfected the human sacrifice and mass cannibalism

Blogger Balam October 17, 2020 12:31 PM  

I smiled at your naive civility.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 17, 2020 12:32 PM  

I used to be very on board with the "hurr durr just go back to the Constitution/1789/Wear powdered wigs" ideals. And I even put up with the "hurrr durrr just go back to the days of Moses where everybody wore robes and only had to worry about their ox getting gored".

But then after seeing how The Machine worked by around late 2012 I realized something. I started to think "We were there [in the past] and ended up here in this mess we are in now [the present]. If we go back [to the past] we will only end up here again in the future and some other hapless generation will have to put up with this [crap]".

Nothing in our constitution(s), our doctrines, our "old sayings", our "ways", our interpretations of the past, and everything else for this matter, prevented what we ended up in and with today. None of it. And everything is a lie now.

The best thing to do is act like you just got kicked in the head and everything the Sensei trained you in was wrong on purpose because it was funny. All those moves that worked before are useless. What do you do?

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 12:32 PM  

This seems to me to be way off. The "deep state" powers that be utterly rely on controlled media, a gigantic banking system, and heavily populated and dumbed down urban centers of diversity. Nuclear holocaust would destroy all of that, if not the entire planet with it. Do you really think an impoverished Soros type could maintain any control in the new normal of small towns or small groups of survivalists?

It would be like Zuckerberg at a camp for jocks in the 70s. He'd never leave what reserves he had left in his bunker. The deep state desperately needs the status quo, with bits of "progress" along to quick fix what isn't entirely working.

Why do you think Trump has been the most sneered at and sabotaged prez ever?

Blogger B-Rex October 17, 2020 12:33 PM  

@8 Possibly, except the USSR had spent decades killing off all the people with spines and sprirt in gulags, had lower gun ownership, and despite conquring various other peoples was more demographically homogeneous in its states than the USA is now. I mean, how many African "refugees" turned permanent cities did the USSR have?

Blogger Up from the pond October 17, 2020 12:37 PM  

"primary causality can be traced to a principal leadership that inexplicably abandoned core principles of state-building that were foundational to these polities, while also ignoring their expected roles as effective leaders and moral exemplars"

TDS.

Blogger hysteropotmos October 17, 2020 12:41 PM  

Been keen on finding a resilient community as soon as I can, but they are hard to find, let alone join. They don't exactly advertise, for obvious reasons. I live in the countryside at least, but the people nearby aren't bound by much beyond a zip code.

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 12:42 PM  

What can you do? All I've heard for the last twenty years is grow your own food and buy guns and ehile that's a logical thing to be doing anyway, it's short term small potatoes. Especially if you have a lot of kids, family, etc.

I'd love a realistic, well thought out plan of preparedness and action if things get strange and what to do now without it being "act like the weirdo who stars on preppers and made a wonky tank out of his f-150...

The only thing I have been able to think of is move to ever more out of the way, non vibrant areas and build up community togetherness while being sufficiently armed. But look around, even the Idahos and Dakotas are starting to get filled with others or worse, woke liberals. And ffs I'm tired of this endless white flight boomers seem to think can go on forever. Eventually you are a Jew and have nowhere to run. That aint it.

Blogger Magnifico October 17, 2020 12:49 PM  

So when the collapse does happen what will our demographics look like? How many will leave and who. How many will starve without welfare? How many will kill each other in the big cities? And will Jews leave in mass for Israel? Has anyone crunched the numbers yet?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 17, 2020 1:01 PM  

Colonel Blimp wrote:it's short term small potatoes. Especially if you have a lot of kids, family, etc.
In a collapsing society, all the potatoes are small. Kids are a resource of their own you'd do well to maximize.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 17, 2020 1:05 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:The best thing to do is act like you just got kicked in the head and everything the Sensei trained you in was wrong on purpose because it was funny. All those moves that worked before are useless. What do you do?
This is it exactly.
You can only act on what you know, what you can verify for yourself. The Constitution was a noble attempt, but it has failed us utterly. We live in a bottomless hole of corruption ruled by a one-party state proxy for the Chinese Communists.
The first thing to do is to reject the state.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 17, 2020 1:07 PM  

Thinking on it, that's hard for Germanics. Fortunately I'm half Irish.

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 1:13 PM  

Still better than the left coast...when you realize what is truly important, the true Right becomes clear, not khaki wearing conservatism. Your people can overcome a tyrant, but they cannot overcome Satanic atomization which leads to non-existence.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella October 17, 2020 1:19 PM  

Vaguely wondering why you keep moving away from your people, and expect strangers to welcome you.

Have you no cousins? No trustworthy siblings? No in-laws? No children? Enough children to that they are the local culture?

As for Russia, that final set of things last century? That was the arsonist setting fire to the crime scene. That was supposed to be the final outrage, not the only thing you can remember. Try, slaves. Drunken indebtedness. Harem slaves. It literally was not worth setting the place on fire until after they had mostly quit supplying the slavers with harem slaves. It's like Mao wiping out the institutional memory of peasants who freed themselves from drugs and slavery. Or Western people not getting told how the later Romans solved that problem. Or how Eastern people didn't get the memo on how Western people freed themselves from that plague for a while.

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 1:25 PM  

Kurt9 where do you buy your chinos and khakis??

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 1:28 PM  

Sto p poasting...

Blogger The Observer October 17, 2020 1:41 PM  

Nothing in our constitution(s), our doctrines, our "old sayings", our "ways", our interpretations of the past, and everything else for this matter, prevented what we ended up in and with today. None of it. And everything is a lie now.

Nothing is perfect, there is nothing new under the sun. Until the second coming, these things are going to happen over and over again because the ruler of this world.

Yes, some systems are better than others, but even churches can be corrupted and converged, as we've seen. When evil appears, it is the duty of all godly men to rise up and defeat it; yes, some systems are better than others, but trusting in a system to prevent evil forevermore is not something that is possible in the first place.

Blogger map October 17, 2020 2:10 PM  

Colonel Blimp wrote:This seems to me to be way off. The "deep state" powers that be utterly rely on controlled media, a gigantic banking system, and heavily populated and dumbed down urban centers of diversity. Nuclear holocaust would destroy all of that, if not the entire planet with it. Do you really think an impoverished Soros type could maintain any control in the new normal of small towns or small groups of survivalists?

The Deep State is global, meaning they are located in China as well. A limited nuclear war between America and Russia will allow a Chinese-centered Deep State to rule both with ease.

Blogger RadixMalorum October 17, 2020 2:10 PM  

Another example would be the Han Dynasty. It lasted for 400+ years and was a golden age for China. Prosperity led to corruption and weakness.
Bureaucrats and eunuchs subverted the weakened system and the Emperor was too powerless and witless to do anything. Regional warlords arose who increasingly disregarded the authority of the central government.

I see something like this brewing in the US. Breakdowns may be based on state or county level and regional warlords will arise. The addition of nukes into this equation makes it even more unpredictable.

Blogger DourCdn October 17, 2020 2:26 PM  

The ruin of the USA is that the law instead of being used for justice is now a weapon to destroy anyone who opposes you. The law is now partisan. There is no decency anymore, great recent example is the Blitzer Pelosi interview. Pelosi was shameful, if the leaders dont have decency what can you expect.

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 2:32 PM  

Of course but I have no desire to live an even more diminished life than Ted K, especially with kids. Most don't either if they are honest. They think the first 72 hours or maybe a few weeks, without considering the long term question, "what is the point?"

We have to take a stand now or it is irrelevant what we do later. I'm at a loss for a solution and think realistic ideas would be great for discussion on the right. We generally have no coalesced idea to rally around so we wind up with confused Churchians and cucks amongst grown men.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants October 17, 2020 2:40 PM  

I've never doubted the obvious coming collapse, but I do feel like I haven't done enough to prepare my kids for it.

Blogger pyrrhus October 17, 2020 3:37 PM  

In the US, law enforcement is now frequently used for political ends and even allied with looters, arsonists and killers...so the "good" has left town in many areas...

Blogger Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 3:45 PM  

Read his post, he says NUKE CHINA AND GLOBAL NUCLEAR WAR..

Blogger DourCdn October 17, 2020 4:46 PM  

Soviet Union would have suffered economic privation in any case. If for any chance the USA states separated into 3 nations (east coast, central, west coast) the economic disrption would not be anywhere as severe. The nations of North America are oriented incorrectly on abeast west axis, they should be on a north south orientation. Mexico is already there, Canada and USA will eventually reorganize.

Blogger JovianStorm October 17, 2020 5:13 PM  

You'll note that Shadowrun predicted very similar things, including the emergence of a viral plague.

I'm just waiting for trolls, orcs and the UCAS.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov October 17, 2020 5:27 PM  

Sounds more like "governments who provided more services for the people" versus "governments who provide less services for the people". Which creates a very interesting dynamic, especially for America, as rural America will probably take much less of a hit, than whatever happens in the cities.

Blogger Balam October 17, 2020 6:39 PM  

Go read the book "Victoria: A Novel of Fourth Generational War" from Castalia house asap. Minds more prepared and experienced have laid the groundwork already.

Blogger Brian Dean October 17, 2020 6:40 PM  

@32 "The addition of nukes into this equation makes it even more unpredictable."

The problem with nukes is that they are impractical for smaller enemies (unlike a knife or a gun). If I had a nuke and I said, "Fuck you RadixMalorum" and ignited a nuke to kill you, I would probably kill a whole lot of other people around you as well. Some of the people I would kill might not even be near you if the radiation were to travel far away. So I can't be certain that killing you with a nuke won't also kill someone on my side. Unless you live in an entirely different nation from me (and none of my guys live in the same nation as you).

Blogger Canadian Warlord October 17, 2020 7:01 PM  

Impending political collapse is running against a clock - directed energy weapons in huge ground-based installations. Basically power plants. No more nuclear war, no more air power. Once the threat is gone, what we think of as armies, institutions, governments, will be very diminished in our lives.

I predict the rise of industry. We ain't seen nothing yet.

What happens between now and then, 2050 ish (publicly known deployment), might get wild.

For the Excited States, it's too big geographically to be compared to small civil wars in Europe. Honestly, the country is gigantic. There will be splits before there are wars.

What happens first, the nullification of nukes by defensive networks (likely partially already in existence, owned by the wrong people), or the split, will determine much.

I suspect that defensive technology's existence will be a destabilizing element itself, as it approaches certain parasites will feel their power slipping away. Could get messy.

Blogger Argus Bacchus October 17, 2020 7:22 PM  

Watch for the detritus at Merriam Webster to change the meaning of VD's brilliant term "Pharisatanic" so that it refers to something about a gay cruise ship whose maiden voyage to Cancun did not hit an iceberg.

Unfortunately.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 17, 2020 7:45 PM  

as rural America will probably take much less of a hit, than whatever happens in the cities.

We've seen that already in a sort of trial run with Covid. My rural family and friends are still nearly unaffected, despite the governor's attempt to spread the misery evenly across the state. Meanwhile, there were fistfights over toilet paper in the cities.

Blogger onyomi October 17, 2020 8:18 PM  

Does Trump victory accelerate or decelerate collapse?

Blogger Bezzle October 17, 2020 9:13 PM  

@17. Colonel Blimp October 17, 2020 12:32 PM
This seems to me to be way off. The "deep state" powers that be utterly rely on controlled media, a gigantic banking system, and heavily populated and dumbed down urban centers of diversity.

Agreed. We might see the Balkanized US of Kruschev's 1950s wet-dreams -- but not if Q-team wins.

What will balkanize are the United Nations, the E.U., and other Cabal infrastructure. (Removing 150 years of encrusted crap from the US Constitution will be comparatively more difficult than simply withdrawing from parasitical foreign entanglements.)

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@32. RadixMalorum October 17, 2020 2:10 PM
Another example would be the Han Dynasty. It lasted for 400+ years and was a golden age for China. Prosperity led to corruption and weakness. Bureaucrats and eunuchs subverted the weakened system and the Emperor was too powerless and witless to do anything.

" The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance."

It's not rocket-surgery. You just have to get off your fucking ass and do something. All that is required for the maintenance of a healthy republic, in perpetuity, are piecemeal purges of the treasonous mandarin gamma class to regularly water the proverbial tree.

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@44. Argus Bacchus October 17, 2020 7:22 PM
Watch for the detritus at Merriam Webster to change the meaning of VD's brilliant term "Pharisatanic"....

Two centuries of socialism have transformed English into a weird Babel language in which everyone is using identical words and pronunciations, but no one has the same set of definitions.

Dictionaries were the first things that proto-commies squatted upon after learning how to use printing-presses. Once their preferred definitions were engraved in stone, questioning them became verboten.

Job #2 (after disposing the bodies) after the Reset will be sanitizing the lexicon.

Blogger Brian Dean October 17, 2020 9:22 PM  

VD I don't know about you, but I (and I am guessing many of the people in the comment section) have contributed to the downfall of western civilization. I say, if you engaged in "hook up" culture (and as a consequence, hurt people by engaging in that sort of sexual sin) then you have contributed to the downfall of western culture.

Blogger Arthur Isaac October 17, 2020 9:36 PM  

The for always starts in the head.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 17, 2020 9:50 PM  

@46, Trump will probably delay the end of the empire by at least two more terms - eight more years. We'll have his second term, and whatever comes after him. We don't know what collapse will look like, but I suspect that within a decade it won't look like it does now.

Blogger MNW October 17, 2020 11:13 PM  

Ever see the show Jericho?

Blogger Pathfinderlight October 18, 2020 2:25 AM  

By demographics, Trump will be the last Republican president as we understand the term today. The future holds a mix of mass repatriations, wars, and partitions.

Blogger John Rockwell October 18, 2020 2:34 AM  

Maniac wrote:If I remember correctly, one of the last cultural phases of the Roman empire involved gender confusion and/or role reversal.

Yeah, shouldn't be long now.


Lesson is to shy away from Empire and over extension.

Always ensure that one doesn't end up getting too rich too fast.

And likewise the lack of vigilance against moral corruption and (((Subversive))) elements from within.

A far greater threat than any external enemy.

Be content with God has given the Nation. And the Nation will keep their existing Virility.

Blogger John Rockwell October 18, 2020 2:38 AM  

"All that is required for the maintenance of a healthy republic, in perpetuity, are piecemeal purges of the treasonous mandarin gamma class to regularly water the proverbial tree."


Gammas ought to be purged for their very existence is a threat. Natural traitors with the resentment that makes them ripe for exploitation by enemy forces.

Blogger Crew October 18, 2020 7:22 AM  

I found this one of the most important almost unexplored aspect of the paper:

in addition, state-building to realize collective benefit entails opposition from a privileged elite, who gain little from the costs of collective action, and numerous challenging coordination problems not addressed here

Very relevant to the current US situation! Perhaps (((elites))) should have been properly expressed.

Blogger The Lab Manager October 18, 2020 7:31 AM  

This presentation is probably a bit dated, but the points still apply:

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/

"My talk tonight is about the lack of collapse-preparedness here in the United States. I will compare it with the situation in the Soviet Union, prior to its collapse. The rhetorical device I am going to use is the “Collapse Gap” – to go along with the Nuclear Gap, and the Space Gap, and various other superpower gaps that were fashionable during the Cold War."

Blogger Beloved October 18, 2020 8:14 AM  

@Balam I read the excellent 4GW Handbook by Lind and Thiele tonight. It's absolutely infuriating that we sent a 2G military into TWO 4G wars simultaneously.

Would it be ideal for the Army to have 3G and 4G capability with an entirely 4G Marine Corps?

Blogger drsmith48167 October 18, 2020 8:23 AM  

Colonel Blimp;

The Deep State/Davos crowd think they are way smarter than us and have if all figured out and could rebuild if all into the Utopian paradise they all desire. They have their bunkers already, and are quite ready to sacrifice 50 to 60% of the rest of us to get what they want - ruling tan earth with far fewer people, just enough to keep them living the lives they are used to - think indentured serfs to Lord and Ladys, just like the Middle Ages...

Yes, I am quite sure they would be OK with that lifestyle.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 18, 2020 8:41 AM  

"in addition, state-building to realize collective benefit entails opposition from a privileged elite, who gain little from the costs of collective action"

Yesterday I was talking to someone who wasn't aware that all the tech billionaires are leftist. When I told him, he said, "But that's economically, right? They're not left on all the social issues like abortion?" When I assured him that they are, he was puzzled as to why. Without getting too deep into the whole Promethian thing, I explained that they already have theirs, so they don't want the world filling up with people to compete with them for space and resources. And since they're Very Smart Boys, they think they're the best ones to run the world efficiently like a video game. Not collective action for the common good, but top-down action for their own good.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella October 18, 2020 9:34 AM  

The model isn't the medieval Western Europe period. That was the slave supply learning to be awesome to each other. (See Bill and Ted). The model is Byzantium, in any of its forms. Endless eunuchs, harem slaves, outright slaves, a ruling class completely at odds, genetically, with their subjects. People who echo, or served by people who echo. A clownish, easy to manipulate ruling class, served by echoes, and slaves.

The higher end families would have one older son to inherit everything, and then they would castrate the next one, who would go into the imperial service. Belisarius, the general, for instance, no hope of a family of his own, no ambition for his own children, because he'd been clipped. Verdun and Lyons, now in France? Were processing centers for the continental European boys they'd stolen from their families. Then they would ship the children that survived off to the Byzantine Empire. You don't like Janissaries? No one likes Janissaries.

Why on earth do you think the church took the first, earliest, and easiest pretext to split the Western church from the Eastern? The Eastern empire were the pigs, the Westerners were the Angry Birds. We have letters from popes and kings trying to get their loyal subjects back, almost port by port, from the slave traders. No such luck. The slavers were, like, "Hey, they sold themselves to us as slaves when their harvest failed."

Harvests have never, ever failed in America. We had the Dust Bowl. Roosevelt instituted food destruction "to keep prices high"- and various work camp things. Do you think he would have stopped those if events like WW2 had not intervened? Dems still fetishize those programs. They hide the crimes committed against young people taken from their homes and thrust among strangers. Dem high enders got subsidized to write, design big buildings, and take photos. Dorothy ? and her sharecropper mother photo? The woman's husband was right there with her. It's in the visual catalogue of "single mothers are the best!" propaganda.

And, yet, we've handed over how much of our seed production to Monsanto? An old,old,old family that knows slavery inside and out. How long until our harvests fail?



Blogger Chill Penguin October 18, 2020 9:46 AM  

in the small men are on their honor to do many things, in the large, to have a Biblical marriage.
> Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
enforcement of honor was slowly removed over hundreds of years by an out of control political class, who didn't have a king to purge them of degenerates and traitors, eventually reaching the point at which fathers get arrested for assaulting migrants trying to rape their daughters.
government services like welfare are an attempt to rack up good karma, and it makes sense that countries which are further from God collapse harder
> In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. [Judges 17]
> Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. [John 6]

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 18, 2020 10:46 AM  

Saint wrote:Would it be ideal for the Army to have 3G and 4G capability with an entirely 4G Marine Corps?
If we were fighting 4GW, would it be ideal to have an Army and a Marine Corps at all? Or would we be better off with some far different structures?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 18, 2020 12:00 PM  

Bezzle wrote:It's not rocket-surgery. You just have to get off your fucking ass and do something. All that is required for the maintenance of a healthy republic, in perpetuity, are piecemeal purges of the treasonous mandarin gamma class to regularly water the proverbial tree.
Not just the madarins. The satanists need to be purged from every level of our society. We need to give prompt negative feedback to people who are going wrong, before they become committed satanists. We need to again accept the concept of fighting words: some verbal attacks must be met by a punch in the nose.

We need to enforce our society's rules, and we must get our government out of the way of doing the right thing. People who need a punch upside the head need it right away. People that need killing need to be killed on the spot. We have a duty to be as violent as necessary in defense of our families, our society and our rights, and that violence needs to be legal. That's going to start with purging the treasonous mandarins ...

Blogger Pathfinderlight October 18, 2020 4:57 PM  

Liberation Theology has done for Christians what the dictionary rewriters have done for the English language.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 18, 2020 7:32 PM  

Pathfinderlight wrote:Liberation Theology has done for Christians what the dictionary rewriters have done for the English language.
Is that found outside the Roman Church? I thought that was just Jesuits in South and Central America.

Blogger Beloved October 18, 2020 8:39 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd

Great point. Maybe the best structures in 4G would be private military contractors. Mercenaries, using the locals to fight other locals, etc.

What do you think?

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 18, 2020 11:22 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Pathfinderlight wrote:Liberation Theology has done for Christians what the dictionary rewriters have done for the English language.

Is that found outside the Roman Church? I thought that was just Jesuits in South and Central America.


Francis is widely seen as having reconciled the Vatican with the Liberation Theologists, so I wouldn't really consider it isolated to the lower Americas.

While it's not a formal link to Liberation Theology historically, I'd argue it's probably fair to use the term to encompass the people who describe the early Church as socialist, which is more and more common nowadays. Mostly with Churchians, but not exclusively so.

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 18, 2020 11:22 PM  

Err, rather, I meant to say those who say that Jesus was a socialist.

Blogger Bezzle October 19, 2020 1:08 AM  

@50. Ominous Cowherd October 17, 2020 9:50 PM
@46, Trump will probably delay the end of the empire by at least two more terms - eight more years. We'll have his second term, and whatever comes after him. We don't know what collapse will look like, but I suspect that within a decade it won't look like it does now.

Unrestricted enfranchisement must end; it's the only way to remotely continue any sort of vote-based system.

But the older I get, the more I can appreciate the longevity of seemingly "unworkable" systems. North Korea has been perking along on four grains of rice for seventy years, and the Caliphate for 800. There's no reason to assume that a diseased walking-corpse of an American republic can't flounder along for yet more decades than you have time left on this earth.

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@54. John Rockwell October 18, 2020 2:38 AM
Bezzle: "All that is required for the maintenance of a healthy republic, in perpetuity, are piecemeal purges of the treasonous mandarin gamma class to regularly water the proverbial tree."

Gammas ought to be purged for their very existence is a threat. Natural traitors with the resentment that makes them ripe for exploitation by enemy forces.


Traitor to what? That needs to be clear, first, in any setting where these people are not obligated to work for you. And if you've read your Vox, you'll remember that gammas are smarter than average. --If you run a slaughter-of-the-brainy like the Khmer Rouge did, and you got nothing left. (The survivors of such are buff, tough, and have heads full of rocks, and anybody next door will walk right in and plaster them as soon as they see fit.)

Gammas are "natural traitors" to the extent that they tend to excel at anything that requires meticulous scheming. They're not born to it any more than Maasai are born to basketball; they're just good at it. The trick is getting them to work on your side and happily occupied while keeping them out of command positions. Your average small business run by an IQ98 Business degree'd football chowderhead is no shape for that, but the payoffs are there for very perceptive leaders. For instance, Q's soon-to-be legendary team of "weaponized autism" 'chan anons are largely gammas and omegas committing outright treason (the deep state being deposed certainly views it that way. And Q has these "nerds" working for free by sole dint of having proposed a common enemy to scheme against.

Gamma is a phase that lays between unrewarded ambition and minimalist wisdom. I was a delta with gamma-ish tendencies as a teenager; I *hated* seeing anybody dumber than me succeed while I was stifled for whatever reason. But as time went on, I noticed that, one by one, the idiots got fired, went to prison, or killed or disgraced themselves in one or more stupid ways -- all before any nursed, put-on-layaway revenge plans I might have had could have been fancifully implemented, and meanwhile my own rewards were slowly accumulating. And so, one day it just didn't bother me anymore. That's the day I was no longer a gamma.

TL:DR version: Just get rid of mandarin positions by privatizing great, sweeping swathes of currently nationalized or parasitized market sectors. I.e., every government agency created from ~1870 onward ought to be disbanded.

"That government is best which governs lease!" really is true, and the *reason* it's true (aside from principle) is that the less power it wields and the fewer positions it has, the easier it is to keep track of who is in it, and the less attractive those meager positions are to those whom ambitions exceed the office.

This was a great country when Congress was in the middle of a malarial swamp without air conditioning and several weeks coach ride from the home district.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 19, 2020 2:10 PM  

Saint wrote:Great point. Maybe the best structures in 4G would be private military contractors. Mercenaries, using the locals to fight other locals, etc.

What do you think?

I think that we shouldn't be fighting outside the borders of our nation, and this issue should never arise.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 19, 2020 2:13 PM  

Bezzle wrote:There's no reason to assume that a diseased walking-corpse of an American republic can't flounder along for yet more decades than you have time left on this earth.
Almost certainly it will continue to flounder along for decades or centuries, but like any leper, it is likely to shed some parts over time. I suspect that we will see it change noticeably within a decade or two.

Blogger Ceirwyn October 19, 2020 9:08 PM  

@11 Some things you simply can't really prepare for, and total war + social collapse is one of those things. You can only do little things now to make the starting period easy, but no one knows what the situation will be in order to prepare for it.

@27 The answer: https://twitter.com/3days3nights/status/1317898722597109762

@62 Gammas are the Loki factor: they are the social body's endocrine system the way xenophobes are the immune system. They are there to balance society's views of what's most desirable, and too think thoughts before the normie herd does. They're like leader sheep. Or advisors. Most are remarkable at identifying problems and weaknesses that the majority ignore.

Blogger kurt9 October 20, 2020 12:44 PM  

Colonel Blimp wrote:Kurt9 where do you buy your chinos and khakis??

There is also Plan B if you really think the U.S. will collapse. Plan B is what sites like Sovereign Man, Nomad Capitalist, and International Living call going the expatriation route. This is where you get both yourself and your money out of the country, ride out the collapse in any number of places (Panama, Georgia, Singapore, etc.) then return when things have settled out and the economic rebuilding begins. I'm surprised not to see more discussion of Plan B in blogs such as these.



Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 20, 2020 6:01 PM  

kurt9 wrote:This is where you get both yourself and your money out of the country, ride out the collapse in any number of places ...
As Bezzle said, you are not likely to outlive what you're running from.
Bezzle wrote:There's no reason to assume that a diseased walking-corpse of an American republic can't flounder along for yet more decades than you have time left on this earth.
And you are betting that your hosts will take care of the rich stranger among them, rather than merely take him for everything he has.
kurt9 wrote:... then return when things have settled out and the economic rebuilding begins.
If our side wins before you die of old age, why would we welcome you back?

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